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Praise the Lord | February 26, 2016

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February 26, 2016
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Leon Fontaine hosts Andrew Farley, Bruxy Cavey, Pastor Rob Koke, Pastor Luke Koke and music by Myron Butler

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Praise the Lord | February 26, 2016

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  • - male announcer: From coast
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  • to coast, and around the world,
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  • it's time to praise the Lord!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • let every nation rejoice!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • - announcer: Welcome to
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  • the number one Christian network
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  • in all the world.
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  • Joining us from
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  • the International Production
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  • Center in Dallas, Texas,
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  • are bestselling author
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  • and minister, Andrew Farley;
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  • Teaching Pastor
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  • at The Meeting House in Ontario,
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  • Canada, Bruxy Cavey;
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  • Senior Pastor of Shoreline
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  • Church in Austin, Texas,
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  • Rob Koke;
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  • ministering in music,
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  • Myron Butler.
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  • Ready to take your calls,
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  • prayer partners
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • let every nation rejoice!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • with one mighty voice!
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  • Praise the Lord!
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  • Praise the Lord!
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  • Praise...
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  • - announcer: Now your host,
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  • Pastor of Springs Church
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  • and CEO of The Miracle Channel,
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  • Leon Fontaine!
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • - Leon Fontaine: Hey, it is
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  • so good, so good to have you
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  • with us tonight.
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  • We're gonna have an amazing
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  • time.
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  • We've got some great guests that
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  • I know you are gonna love.
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  • These are men who are doing
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  • something, not just great
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  • And I can't wait to get to them
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  • and interview so you get ready
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  • for 90 minutes of amazing
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  • television and programming and I
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  • know you're gonna wanna get a
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  • notebook and a pencil.
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  • Get ready to take some great
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  • notes 'cause these guys, at the
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  • same time, aren't just deep and
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  • know the Word, but there's such
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  • relevance.
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  • There's a coolness.
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  • I like 'em.
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  • They're all great friends.
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  • But right off the bat, we've got
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  • an amazing artist with us,
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  • Myron Butler,
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  • and he's got a CD out
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  • called "Myron Butler Worship"
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  • and he's gonna do a song for us
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  • right now.
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  • All right.
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  • - Myron Butler: Hallelujah.
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  • Let's give the Lord another hand
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  • praise.
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  • It's a very simple worship song
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  • that we all know.
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  • Simply says--
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  • Water you turned into wine,
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  • There's no one like you.
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  • Into the darkness you shine
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  • and out of the ashes we rise
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  • There's no one like you.
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • None like you.
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  • Help me all over the room.
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  • Everybody, sing.
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  • We sing.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • our God is stronger.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Our God is Healer,
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  • awesome in power.
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  • Our God!
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  • If you know that,
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  • sing along one more time.
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  • Ohhh.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • our God is stronger.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Ohh, our God is Healer,
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  • yes, Lord.
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  • Awesome in power.
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  • Our God!
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  • Our God!
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  • Everybody in the room,
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  • just lift your hands
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  • as an act of worship.
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • You can stand on your feet
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  • if you want to.
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  • Let's sing
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  • this verse together.
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  • We sing
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  • Water,
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  • Water you turned into
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  • wine.
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  • That's it.
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  • Opened the eyes.
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  • Opened the eyes
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  • of the blind.
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  • There's no one like you.
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  • If you believe it, sing it
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  • from your soul tonight.
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  • None like you.
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  • And into the darkness
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  • you shine.
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  • Into the darkness you shine,
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  • yes, Lord.
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  • Out of the ashes we rise.
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  • There's no one like--
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  • no one, no one.
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  • Anybody proud of the
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  • God you serve tonight?
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  • We sing.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • our God is stronger.
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  • Yes, Lord.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Our God is Healer,
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  • awesome in power.
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  • Our God!
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  • C'mon,
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  • let me hear you singing
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  • from the mountaintop.
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  • One more time.
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  • Our God!
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  • Sing.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • our God is stronger.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Ohh, our God is Healer,
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  • awesome in power.
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  • And if you believe this
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  • tonight, sing with us.
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  • And if our God,
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  • we sing together.
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  • And if our God is for us,
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  • then who could ever stop us
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  • then what could stand...
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  • And if our God is for us,
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  • yes, Lord, then who
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  • could ever stop us.
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  • Ohh, and if our God is
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  • with us.
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  • One more time.
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  • Then what could stand--
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  • And if our God.
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  • And if our God is for us,
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  • then who could ever stop us.
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  • And if our God is with us,
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  • then what
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  • One more time.
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  • And if our God
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  • And if our God is for us,
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  • then who could ever stop us.
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  • And if our God is with us,
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  • then what could stand...
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  • I believe it in my soul
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  • that nothing
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  • can stand against us.
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  • Nothing,
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  • What could stand
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  • against.
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  • Yes, Lord.
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  • Hallelujah to the King of kings
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  • and the Lord of lords.
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  • We all sing tonight together.
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  • Our God.
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  • Sing.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • yes, our God is stronger.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Our God is Healer, awesome
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  • awesome in power.
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  • Our God!
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  • If you believe it,
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  • sing it one more time.
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  • Yes, sing.
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  • Our God is greater,
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  • our God is stronger.
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  • God, you are higher
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  • than any other.
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  • Our God is Healer,
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  • awesome in power.
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  • Our God!
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  • If you believe that tonight,
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  • give God a great
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  • shout in the house!
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • Give God praise in
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • - Leon: "Our God is For Us."
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  • What a great song.
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  • You know, we're gonna have an
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  • amazing, amazing time tonight
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  • and I wanna remind you tonight,
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  • as you're watching, that it is
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  • partners like you that have
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  • And what TBN is doing is second
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  • Tonight, we'd love to have you
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  • partner with us and, as you go
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  • Because what God is doing
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  • through television is something
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  • that you'd be amazed.
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  • Maybe you're not but for a lot
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  • of people this is their church.
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  • They can't get out to church.
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  • It reaches places around this
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  • world where there aren't great
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  • places to go to worship.
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  • And people are getting saved
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  • at an amazing rate.
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  • Watch this.
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  • - announcer: More.
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  • God wants to do more in you,
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  • more through you, and more for
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  • you, if only you'll let him.
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  • For your love gift of any amount
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  • this revealing book by our
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  • good friend, Andrew Wommack,
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  • "Don't Limit God."
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  • In it, Andrew exposes how we
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  • limit God's blessings and
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  • explains why we must change
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  • the image we see of ourselves
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  • in order to experience
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  • - Leon: Awesome.
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  • So I wanna thank you in advance
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  • so much for being a part of
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  • helping us out.
  • 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:15.010
  • Well, I've got a couple of great
  • 00:10:15.010 --> 00:10:16.030
  • guests, Rob and Luke Koke.
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  • It's so good to have you guys
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  • with me.
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  • - Rob Koke: We are thrilled
  • 00:10:20.050 --> 00:10:20.250
  • to be here, Leon.
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  • This is a wonderful,
  • 00:10:21.160 --> 00:10:24.000
  • wonderful experience.
  • 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.150
  • - Leon: Now, just so those
  • 00:10:25.150 --> 00:10:26.280
  • who don't know who you guys are.
  • 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:28.000
  • You're the founder and Senior
  • 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:29.090
  • Pastor of Shoreline Church
  • 00:10:29.090 --> 00:10:30.250
  • in Austin, Texas.
  • 00:10:30.250 --> 00:10:32.190
  • But we were chatting off screen
  • 00:10:32.190 --> 00:10:33.270
  • and where are
  • 00:10:33.270 --> 00:10:35.240
  • all the Shorelines now?
  • 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.170
  • - Rob: Well, we have a number
  • 00:10:37.170 --> 00:10:39.010
  • of different locations.
  • 00:10:39.010 --> 00:10:40.160
  • Shoreline South, Shoreline East,
  • 00:10:42.190 --> 00:10:44.140
  • in Austin.
  • 00:10:44.140 --> 00:10:45.180
  • And then within the network,
  • 00:10:45.180 --> 00:10:47.140
  • we have Shoreline Dallas,
  • 00:10:47.140 --> 00:10:48.250
  • we have Shoreline Tulsa, we
  • 00:10:48.250 --> 00:10:50.010
  • to be Shoreline Guatemala
  • 00:10:52.130 --> 00:10:54.000
  • so it's spreading all around.
  • 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.150
  • So it's great, yeah.
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  • We love it.
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  • - Leon: Ha, ha, ha.
  • 00:10:57.250 --> 00:10:58.170
  • And Luke, it is so good to have
  • 00:10:58.170 --> 00:10:59.120
  • you with us, the--as a young
  • 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.120
  • adult pastor in church.
  • 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.120
  • - Luke Koke: Yeah, honored to
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.130
  • be here.
  • 00:11:03.130 --> 00:11:04.040
  • Thank you so much for having me.
  • 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:04.290
  • I appreciate it.
  • 00:11:04.290 --> 00:11:05.220
  • - Leon: Now, we have been
  • 00:11:05.220 --> 00:11:06.170
  • friends for a--for years and
  • 00:11:06.170 --> 00:11:07.200
  • years.
  • 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.120
  • That's why I'm looking at this
  • 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.030
  • young man, going, "Man, I
  • 00:11:09.030 --> 00:11:10.120
  • remember when he was running
  • 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:11.060
  • around the pool when we were
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  • sitting around talking about the
  • 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:13.130
  • goodness of God and--"
  • 00:11:13.130 --> 00:11:14.170
  • - Luke: I'm still running
  • 00:11:14.170 --> 00:11:15.250
  • around the pool, but--
  • 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:17.110
  • - Rob: So you know, what's
  • 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:19.130
  • really great about being
  • 00:11:19.130 --> 00:11:20.270
  • together here tonight is it is a
  • 00:11:20.270 --> 00:11:22.090
  • joy to have great friends that
  • 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:25.030
  • you do life together with and,
  • 00:11:25.030 --> 00:11:26.230
  • you know, ministry that you've
  • 00:11:26.230 --> 00:11:28.040
  • been a part of for all of these
  • 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:29.250
  • years is so similar to the
  • 00:11:29.250 --> 00:11:31.120
  • ministry that we're a part of in
  • 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:32.220
  • Austin.
  • 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:33.210
  • And when we get together we just
  • 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:35.010
  • talk shop.
  • 00:11:35.010 --> 00:11:35.250
  • And we talk about how we can
  • 00:11:35.250 --> 00:11:37.020
  • make Jesus famous and proclaim
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  • the beauty and the majesty of
  • 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.240
  • the grace of God and what a
  • 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.130
  • thrill to do that.
  • 00:11:43.130 --> 00:11:44.170
  • - Leon: It's so true.
  • 00:11:44.170 --> 00:11:45.090
  • Often, when we meet at
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  • conferences, you know, where is
  • 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:48.110
  • Rob and Leon?
  • 00:11:48.110 --> 00:11:49.210
  • Well, they'll be somewhere
  • 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:50.170
  • aside, sitting there talking
  • 00:11:50.170 --> 00:11:51.210
  • back and forth.
  • 00:11:51.210 --> 00:11:52.210
  • Because not an awful lot of
  • 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:53.210
  • people love to just jump
  • 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:54.250
  • straight in and just talk Word.
  • 00:11:54.250 --> 00:11:56.240
  • Just talk what is God doing.
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  • What are you finding?
  • 00:11:58.010 --> 00:11:59.180
  • - Rob: Well, we have the
  • 00:11:59.180 --> 00:12:00.110
  • greatest message in all the
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  • world.
  • 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:03.040
  • We have the message of
  • 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:04.170
  • redemption and healing.
  • 00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:06.280
  • We have the message of God's
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  • grace.
  • 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:09.180
  • You can find in any philosophy
  • 00:12:10.010 --> 00:12:13.010
  • of life, in any religion of the
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:15.070
  • world, you could find this idea
  • 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:18.090
  • that if you're good enough, then
  • 00:12:18.090 --> 00:12:20.010
  • you can make it in, you know,
  • 00:12:20.010 --> 00:12:22.020
  • that good people go to heaven
  • 00:12:22.020 --> 00:12:24.180
  • and bad people don't.
  • 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:26.160
  • But in reality, we get to
  • 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:28.090
  • celebrate that it's not our
  • 00:12:28.090 --> 00:12:29.220
  • goodness, it's his goodness on
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  • our behalf.
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  • - Leon: C'mon, so true.
  • 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.150
  • - Rob: And heaven is not a
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:35.210
  • place where good people go.
  • 00:12:35.210 --> 00:12:37.170
  • Heaven is a place where forgiven
  • 00:12:37.170 --> 00:12:38.260
  • people go.
  • 00:12:38.260 --> 00:12:40.070
  • And all of us are in need of a
  • 00:12:40.070 --> 00:12:42.000
  • Savior and we've got the
  • 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.080
  • greatest message in the world.
  • 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:44.240
  • - Leon: You know, a lot of
  • 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:45.160
  • people think, "Well, why don't
  • 00:12:45.160 --> 00:12:46.130
  • all the religions just kind of
  • 00:12:46.130 --> 00:12:47.250
  • get along, you know?
  • 00:12:47.250 --> 00:12:49.020
  • C'mon, it's the same God.
  • 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:50.260
  • What's the big deal?"
  • 00:12:50.260 --> 00:12:52.020
  • And Christianity gets along no
  • 00:12:52.020 --> 00:12:53.130
  • problem, but it is completely
  • 00:12:53.130 --> 00:12:55.160
  • different 'cause you're right,
  • 00:12:55.160 --> 00:12:57.140
  • every religion out there and I
  • 00:12:57.140 --> 00:12:59.100
  • can't call Christianity a
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:00.150
  • religion although others do, but
  • 00:13:00.150 --> 00:13:01.190
  • I mean, it is all about doing
  • 00:13:01.190 --> 00:13:04.060
  • something to earn favor somehow
  • 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:07.090
  • and never seeming to get there.
  • 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:09.190
  • - Rob: Do good, get good.
  • 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:11.100
  • Do bad, get bad.
  • 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:13.040
  • That's the mantra of every
  • 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:15.000
  • organization out there.
  • 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.080
  • But Christianity is, "He did
  • 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.070
  • good, we did bad, and out of his
  • 00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:20.290
  • good, we get good."
  • 00:13:20.290 --> 00:13:23.040
  • And that's the best message in
  • 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:24.080
  • the whole world.
  • 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.220
  • It is.
  • 00:13:26.220 --> 00:13:28.060
  • And how can you beat that?
  • 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:29.040
  • - Leon: Yeah, no.
  • 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:29.260
  • - Rob: And we get to live with
  • 00:13:29.260 --> 00:13:30.190
  • all of our sins forgiven, a
  • 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:31.160
  • brand new identity, and the
  • 00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:33.070
  • Spirit of God living on the
  • 00:13:33.070 --> 00:13:35.070
  • inside of us, all as an act of
  • 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:36.290
  • God's incredible grace.
  • 00:13:36.290 --> 00:13:39.210
  • And we got the greatest gifts in
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:41.210
  • all the world.
  • 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:42.220
  • - Leon: You know, grace is
  • 00:13:42.220 --> 00:13:43.190
  • coming on the scene in a
  • 00:13:43.190 --> 00:13:45.070
  • beautiful way right now.
  • 00:13:45.070 --> 00:13:46.140
  • I mean, it's no matter where I
  • 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:47.200
  • turn on the television or at
  • 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.090
  • conferences, I just see this, I
  • 00:13:49.090 --> 00:13:51.080
  • don't know if it would be a
  • 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.020
  • resurgence or the message just
  • 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:55.020
  • needs to be added to all the
  • 00:13:55.020 --> 00:13:56.280
  • things that are being taught but
  • 00:13:56.280 --> 00:13:58.190
  • I am meeting pastor after leader
  • 00:13:58.190 --> 00:14:00.110
  • who has just been invigorated
  • 00:14:00.110 --> 00:14:02.230
  • with God's, as they begin to
  • 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:04.020
  • study, a fresh grace.
  • 00:14:04.020 --> 00:14:05.290
  • But you, I've heard you
  • 00:14:05.290 --> 00:14:08.020
  • preaching this for a couple of
  • 00:14:08.020 --> 00:14:09.200
  • decades.
  • 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.160
  • It's--talk to me a little bit
  • 00:14:10.160 --> 00:14:11.160
  • about--just define grace and why
  • 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:14.150
  • it so changes your life.
  • 00:14:14.150 --> 00:14:16.060
  • 'Cause you're the real deal, I
  • 00:14:16.060 --> 00:14:17.140
  • was talking to some guys about
  • 00:14:17.140 --> 00:14:18.120
  • you.
  • 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.050
  • Couple of other friends of mine
  • 00:14:19.050 --> 00:14:20.090
  • are here that I'm gonna talk
  • 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:21.050
  • with next--so they haven't met
  • 00:14:21.050 --> 00:14:22.070
  • you and I was talking about you
  • 00:14:22.070 --> 00:14:23.070
  • and I just said, "Well, this guy
  • 00:14:23.070 --> 00:14:24.100
  • is the real deal.
  • 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:26.250
  • He's doing something incredible
  • 00:14:26.250 --> 00:14:28.150
  • for God.
  • 00:14:28.150 --> 00:14:29.180
  • He's got a little ego and he's
  • 00:14:29.180 --> 00:14:31.040
  • in love with Jesus Christ."
  • 00:14:31.040 --> 00:14:32.040
  • And I just sort of bragged on
  • 00:14:32.040 --> 00:14:32.250
  • you.
  • 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:33.160
  • I thought, "Man, it is great to
  • 00:14:33.160 --> 00:14:34.220
  • talk about one of your friends
  • 00:14:34.220 --> 00:14:35.290
  • and just not be able to say
  • 00:14:35.290 --> 00:14:36.200
  • enough good."
  • 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:37.150
  • But I know God's grace is what
  • 00:14:37.150 --> 00:14:39.090
  • has really helped you.
  • 00:14:39.090 --> 00:14:40.210
  • - Rob: Yeah.
  • 00:14:40.210 --> 00:14:41.260
  • You know, when you think about
  • 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:42.260
  • life and you think about the
  • 00:14:42.260 --> 00:14:44.110
  • Scriptures, there's no doubt
  • 00:14:44.110 --> 00:14:45.280
  • message of the wisdom of
  • 00:14:50.290 --> 00:14:53.100
  • Scriptures, you know, and so the
  • 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:55.050
  • reality that, you know, you're
  • 00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:56.200
  • gonna reap what you sow is
  • 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.170
  • something that the Bible teaches
  • 00:14:58.170 --> 00:15:00.120
  • and even Jesus spoke about.
  • 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.060
  • You reap what you sow.
  • 00:15:02.060 --> 00:15:03.120
  • But the things that make the
  • 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.050
  • biggest impact in your life
  • 00:15:05.050 --> 00:15:07.100
  • don't come from reaping what you
  • 00:15:07.100 --> 00:15:10.020
  • sow.
  • 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:11.050
  • In fact, you know, some of the
  • 00:15:11.050 --> 00:15:12.160
  • biggest tragedies in life are
  • 00:15:12.160 --> 00:15:14.130
  • often the byproduct of reaping
  • 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:17.050
  • something that you didn't sow.
  • 00:15:17.050 --> 00:15:19.040
  • you know, and they were killed,
  • 00:15:21.160 --> 00:15:23.020
  • you know, they asked Jesus, you
  • 00:15:23.020 --> 00:15:24.160
  • know, what bad thing did these
  • 00:15:24.160 --> 00:15:25.240
  • people do?
  • 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:26.240
  • And Jesus said, "You know what?
  • 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:27.250
  • You don't have it right,
  • 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:28.140
  • you know.
  • 00:15:28.140 --> 00:15:29.060
  • Your thinking about
  • 00:15:29.060 --> 00:15:30.050
  • this is not accurate.
  • 00:15:30.050 --> 00:15:32.060
  • Because, you know, sometimes
  • 00:15:32.060 --> 00:15:34.020
  • tragedy unfolds in people's
  • 00:15:34.020 --> 00:15:36.100
  • lives and they didn't earn it.
  • 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:37.220
  • They didn't sow to get it."
  • 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:40.150
  • - Leon: That's powerful.
  • 00:15:40.150 --> 00:15:41.120
  • - Rob: This is gonna get, you
  • 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.170
  • know, maybe a little bit deep
  • 00:15:42.170 --> 00:15:44.000
  • and personal for us but about 7
  • 00:15:44.040 --> 00:15:47.040
  • years ago we lost our son in a
  • 00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:50.190
  • tragic car accident and he fell
  • 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.250
  • asleep on the way home from a
  • 00:15:52.250 --> 00:15:54.120
  • church event and, yeah, he fell
  • 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.290
  • asleep and he hit a tree.
  • 00:15:55.290 --> 00:15:58.220
  • And he was instantly relocated
  • 00:15:58.220 --> 00:16:00.050
  • to heaven.
  • 00:16:00.050 --> 00:16:01.050
  • And I can tell you, honestly,
  • 00:16:01.050 --> 00:16:03.190
  • that tragedy that we reaped in
  • 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.200
  • our lives, we didn't sow for
  • 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.220
  • that, you know?
  • 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:09.290
  • There's nothing bad enough we
  • 00:16:09.290 --> 00:16:11.110
  • could have ever done to reap the
  • 00:16:11.110 --> 00:16:12.290
  • pain that comes from losing, you
  • 00:16:12.290 --> 00:16:14.080
  • know, your 17-year-old son.
  • 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.110
  • And people ask me from time to
  • 00:16:16.110 --> 00:16:17.120
  • time, "Well, you know, that's
  • 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.090
  • not fair, is it?
  • 00:16:19.090 --> 00:16:20.180
  • It's not fair that you would
  • 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:22.020
  • reap something that you didn't
  • 00:16:22.020 --> 00:16:23.060
  • sow."
  • 00:16:23.060 --> 00:16:24.240
  • And I think, yes, that's true,
  • 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.050
  • but I wouldn't want to change
  • 00:16:27.050 --> 00:16:29.050
  • the world to be a place where
  • 00:16:29.050 --> 00:16:31.160
  • it's all about fairness because
  • 00:16:31.160 --> 00:16:34.000
  • the greatest gifts in life we
  • 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.290
  • receive and we didn't sow to
  • 00:16:37.030 --> 00:16:40.030
  • earn it.
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  • Forgiveness, we didn't sow to
  • 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:42.160
  • earn forgiveness but we get it.
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  • We didn't sow to earn a brand
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  • new identity but we get it.
  • 00:16:46.070 --> 00:16:47.200
  • We didn't sow to earn heaven but
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  • we get it.
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  • The greatest gifts in life come
  • 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.110
  • as a result of God's grace and
  • 00:16:53.110 --> 00:16:55.020
  • he gives us what we don't
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  • deserve.
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  • And I would never want to
  • 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.130
  • exchange the unfairness of this
  • 00:17:00.130 --> 00:17:03.030
  • world.
  • 00:17:03.030 --> 00:17:06.030
  • I wouldn't wanna exchange that
  • 00:17:06.030 --> 00:17:06.260
  • for fairness because then I
  • 00:17:06.260 --> 00:17:08.200
  • would lose out on the greatest
  • 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.000
  • gifts.
  • 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.030
  • The greatest gifts that come to
  • 00:17:11.030 --> 00:17:12.230
  • us come because of what God does
  • 00:17:12.230 --> 00:17:15.060
  • for us that we don't deserve.
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  • - Leon: Now, see, that's a huge
  • 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:18.090
  • difference between us, amen,
  • 00:17:18.090 --> 00:17:20.260
  • that's worth a bigger hand,
  • 00:17:20.260 --> 00:17:21.200
  • isn't it?
  • 00:17:22.210 --> 00:17:25.210
  • That is a big difference between
  • 00:17:25.210 --> 00:17:26.180
  • Christianity and other world
  • 00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:28.070
  • religions because in most of
  • 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:29.260
  • them that I'm aware of, when
  • 00:17:29.260 --> 00:17:31.040
  • something goes wrong in
  • 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:32.290
  • someone's life, people just kind
  • 00:17:32.290 --> 00:17:34.120
  • of back away and they know,
  • 00:17:34.120 --> 00:17:36.090
  • okay, he's done something.
  • 00:17:36.090 --> 00:17:37.220
  • I mean, in some religions, they
  • 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:39.070
  • won't even help people in a
  • 00:17:39.070 --> 00:17:40.280
  • crisis because they need to go
  • 00:17:40.280 --> 00:17:42.210
  • through this so they're
  • 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:44.120
  • reincarnated pro--I mean, it's
  • 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:45.220
  • amazing the teaching out there.
  • 00:17:45.220 --> 00:17:47.170
  • But Jesus, man, he forgives us
  • 00:17:47.250 --> 00:17:50.250
  • and gives us a life.
  • 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:51.260
  • He qualifies us for it.
  • 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:54.020
  • Now, you mentioned something
  • 00:17:54.020 --> 00:17:55.050
  • really good though, that I think
  • 00:17:55.050 --> 00:17:56.100
  • will set a lot of people free.
  • 00:17:56.100 --> 00:17:58.010
  • If you're watching, and
  • 00:17:58.010 --> 00:17:59.140
  • something bad has happened to
  • 00:17:59.140 --> 00:18:01.140
  • you, you need to know everything
  • 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:04.100
  • that happens to us is not sowing
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  • and reaping.
  • 00:18:05.070 --> 00:18:06.070
  • - Rob: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:18:06.070 --> 00:18:07.210
  • And that's really important to
  • 00:18:07.210 --> 00:18:09.060
  • recognize, you know.
  • 00:18:09.060 --> 00:18:10.190
  • We talk a lot of times about
  • 00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:12.000
  • world religions and, in my view,
  • 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.050
  • what you just said is really
  • 00:18:14.050 --> 00:18:16.100
  • accurate.
  • 00:18:16.100 --> 00:18:17.060
  • In all of my research, it does
  • 00:18:17.060 --> 00:18:19.180
  • boil down to this idea that it's
  • 00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:21.280
  • man who's trying to somehow earn
  • 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:24.040
  • his way, you know, to God and
  • 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:26.240
  • somehow appease an angry God.
  • 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.270
  • All the religions are the same
  • 00:18:28.270 --> 00:18:29.220
  • that way.
  • 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:30.130
  • And Christianity is in stark
  • 00:18:30.130 --> 00:18:31.180
  • contrast to that.
  • 00:18:31.180 --> 00:18:33.220
  • It's not based on what we've
  • 00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:35.180
  • done.
  • 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:37.010
  • It's based on what he's done for
  • 00:18:37.010 --> 00:18:38.030
  • us and that's the beauty of it.
  • 00:18:38.030 --> 00:18:39.280
  • Thank God for it.
  • 00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:41.010
  • But, if we're not careful,
  • 00:18:41.010 --> 00:18:42.130
  • sometimes even in the Christian
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:44.020
  • world, we can kind of get, you
  • 00:18:44.020 --> 00:18:46.130
  • know, a little bit sideways on
  • 00:18:46.130 --> 00:18:48.090
  • this issue and it becomes a
  • 00:18:48.090 --> 00:18:49.260
  • little bit legalistic and I
  • 00:18:49.260 --> 00:18:52.070
  • don't know how many people who
  • 00:18:52.070 --> 00:18:54.000
  • have been grieving through loss
  • 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.150
  • also have to deal with the
  • 00:18:56.150 --> 00:18:58.150
  • condemnation that comes from
  • 00:18:58.150 --> 00:19:00.020
  • other believers who said, you
  • 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:01.240
  • know what, if you would have
  • 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:02.250
  • just prayed a little bit more,
  • 00:19:02.250 --> 00:19:04.000
  • had a little bit more faith.
  • 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.110
  • - Leon: Crazy.
  • 00:19:05.110 --> 00:19:06.100
  • - Rob: You know, and so we
  • 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:07.030
  • disqualify people because they
  • 00:19:07.030 --> 00:19:09.160
  • haven't done enough on their own
  • 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.210
  • when God ultimately and
  • 00:19:10.210 --> 00:19:12.000
  • beautifully and in a 100% way
  • 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.200
  • has qualified us by what Jesus
  • 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.080
  • And that's--
  • 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:20.260
  • - Leon: So true.
  • 00:19:20.260 --> 00:19:21.180
  • Luke, well--
  • 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:22.110
  • - Luke: I wanna tag off of
  • 00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:23.050
  • that.
  • 00:19:23.050 --> 00:19:23.260
  • - Leon: Yeah, go for it.
  • 00:19:23.260 --> 00:19:24.200
  • - Luke: And say, you know, the
  • 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:25.200
  • thief comes to, you know, kill,
  • 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.030
  • steal, and destroy.
  • 00:19:27.030 --> 00:19:28.020
  • Bottom line, you know, there's
  • 00:19:28.020 --> 00:19:28.280
  • an enemy out there in Satan that
  • 00:19:28.280 --> 00:19:30.210
  • just wants to do anything he can
  • 00:19:30.210 --> 00:19:32.020
  • to tear us apart, to get us off
  • 00:19:32.020 --> 00:19:33.160
  • track, to cause us to forget
  • 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.160
  • about Jesus and everything that
  • 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.110
  • he represents.
  • 00:19:37.110 --> 00:19:39.090
  • And, you know, if you're
  • 00:19:39.090 --> 00:19:41.050
  • watching tonight and that's you,
  • 00:19:41.050 --> 00:19:42.100
  • just wanna encourage you is that
  • 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:43.290
  • that is all powerful,
  • 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:47.080
  • all loving, all caring,
  • 00:19:47.080 --> 00:19:48.130
  • all grace-filled.
  • 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:49.200
  • And there is nothing that you
  • 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.220
  • can go through that God won't
  • 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:52.040
  • get you through to the other
  • 00:19:52.040 --> 00:19:53.010
  • side, so.
  • 00:19:53.010 --> 00:19:53.290
  • - Leon: Yeah, that'll preach.
  • 00:19:53.290 --> 00:19:55.080
  • Ha, that'll preach.
  • 00:19:55.080 --> 00:19:56.120
  • Ha, ha, ha, ha.
  • 00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:57.090
  • - Rob: Who would have known?
  • 00:19:57.090 --> 00:19:59.070
  • Little boy growing up to preach.
  • 00:19:59.070 --> 00:20:00.230
  • Anyway--
  • 00:20:00.230 --> 00:20:01.130
  • - Leon: You've watched your dad
  • 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:02.080
  • your whole life, Pastor.
  • 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:04.010
  • And I think one of the things I
  • 00:20:04.010 --> 00:20:05.240
  • love about second generation
  • 00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:09.100
  • pastors as they rise up is that
  • 00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:11.030
  • you had a chance to watch.
  • 00:20:11.030 --> 00:20:12.280
  • And when you watch, you learn,
  • 00:20:12.280 --> 00:20:14.230
  • you develop skills.
  • 00:20:14.230 --> 00:20:16.050
  • God's given you gifts.
  • 00:20:16.050 --> 00:20:17.120
  • But there is this intuitiveness
  • 00:20:18.030 --> 00:20:21.030
  • that comes with kids raised in
  • 00:20:21.030 --> 00:20:23.050
  • the ministry that you just don't
  • 00:20:23.050 --> 00:20:24.230
  • know why you know what you know
  • 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:26.090
  • and you know what to do when
  • 00:20:26.090 --> 00:20:27.220
  • others don't know what to do and
  • 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:28.230
  • you kinda go, "How did you know
  • 00:20:28.230 --> 00:20:29.250
  • that, Luke?"
  • 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:31.060
  • You kinda go, "Well, that's just
  • 00:20:31.060 --> 00:20:32.040
  • commonsense."
  • 00:20:32.040 --> 00:20:32.190
  • But it is for you because of how
  • 00:20:32.190 --> 00:20:34.100
  • you've been raised.
  • 00:20:34.100 --> 00:20:35.110
  • - Luke: Yeah.
  • 00:20:35.110 --> 00:20:36.090
  • I mean, being raised by him, you
  • 00:20:36.090 --> 00:20:38.060
  • know, I can't--
  • 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:39.070
  • - Rob: And your mom.
  • 00:20:39.070 --> 00:20:40.190
  • - Luke: And Mom.
  • 00:20:40.190 --> 00:20:41.210
  • - Leon: Ha, yeah, don't forget
  • 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:42.150
  • Mom.
  • 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:43.080
  • You're gonna get in trouble.
  • 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:44.190
  • - Luke: And Mom.
  • 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:45.240
  • Sorry, Mom.
  • 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.040
  • She's watching.
  • 00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:48.000
  • You know, something about you
  • 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:48.280
  • two that I really, really loved
  • 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:49.280
  • is they set a perfect example of
  • 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:51.180
  • really what it's like to, you
  • 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.170
  • know, be parents, not only but
  • 00:20:53.170 --> 00:20:54.290
  • also, just pastors.
  • 00:20:54.290 --> 00:20:56.120
  • And I think there are a lot of
  • 00:20:56.120 --> 00:20:57.160
  • things, you know, sometimes that
  • 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.010
  • we understand more than other
  • 00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:01.000
  • people might understand when it
  • 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.000
  • comes to, you know, Christianity
  • 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.240
  • and understanding Jesus and
  • 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.010
  • morals and all this different
  • 00:21:06.010 --> 00:21:07.220
  • stuff.
  • 00:21:07.220 --> 00:21:08.120
  • But, you know, one thing I'm
  • 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:09.090
  • definitely grateful for is the
  • 00:21:09.090 --> 00:21:10.170
  • way that they raised us as kids.
  • 00:21:10.170 --> 00:21:12.100
  • Despite the flaws that we've
  • 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:13.240
  • made, you know, throughout life,
  • 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:15.050
  • it's definitely come back to us
  • 00:21:15.050 --> 00:21:17.110
  • on a level when we were kind of,
  • 00:21:17.110 --> 00:21:19.250
  • you know, off track,
  • 00:21:19.250 --> 00:21:21.170
  • remembering, you know what?
  • 00:21:21.170 --> 00:21:22.200
  • This is what our parents taught
  • 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:23.230
  • us.
  • 00:21:23.230 --> 00:21:24.150
  • This is what we're supposed to
  • 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:25.090
  • do, so I'm definitely grateful
  • 00:21:25.090 --> 00:21:26.060
  • for their leadership.
  • 00:21:26.060 --> 00:21:27.050
  • - Leon: Okay, you just said
  • 00:21:27.050 --> 00:21:27.250
  • something that's really cool
  • 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:28.180
  • that I like because I talk to a
  • 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:30.100
  • lot of preachers' kids and a lot
  • 00:21:30.100 --> 00:21:32.010
  • of 'em don't make it.
  • 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:33.230
  • Because they feel this guilt to
  • 00:21:35.130 --> 00:21:38.130
  • be perfect, act perfect, do
  • 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:40.040
  • everything right.
  • 00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:41.050
  • If you do something wrong you're
  • 00:21:41.050 --> 00:21:42.090
  • in a glass house.
  • 00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:43.200
  • Your parents gave you permission
  • 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.060
  • to fail, didn't they?
  • 00:21:45.060 --> 00:21:46.040
  • - Luke: Absolutely, absolutely.
  • 00:21:46.040 --> 00:21:47.050
  • And I think that there's a lot
  • 00:21:47.050 --> 00:21:48.160
  • of good in that because
  • 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.190
  • eventually, everybody's gonna do
  • 00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:51.100
  • something, you're gonna do
  • 00:21:51.100 --> 00:21:52.130
  • something that you're--isn't
  • 00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:54.230
  • necessarily--
  • 00:21:54.230 --> 00:21:55.140
  • - Leon: You're gonna trip and
  • 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:56.050
  • fall somewhere.
  • 00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:56.230
  • - Luke: That's true, yeah.
  • 00:21:56.230 --> 00:21:57.180
  • You're gonna trip or fall
  • 00:21:57.180 --> 00:21:58.100
  • somewhere.
  • 00:21:58.100 --> 00:21:59.040
  • But I think that's also
  • 00:21:59.040 --> 00:21:59.290
  • important to the testament of
  • 00:21:59.290 --> 00:22:00.260
  • who God is.
  • 00:22:00.260 --> 00:22:01.210
  • You know, it doesn't matter what
  • 00:22:01.210 --> 00:22:02.160
  • we do, where we go, he's always
  • 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.280
  • there with his arms wide open,
  • 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.040
  • saying, "Hey, come back home, I
  • 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:07.050
  • got you," so.
  • 00:22:07.050 --> 00:22:08.100
  • - Rob: Beautiful.
  • 00:22:08.100 --> 00:22:09.190
  • - Leon: So beautiful.
  • 00:22:09.190 --> 00:22:11.050
  • Now, you're working with your
  • 00:22:11.050 --> 00:22:11.280
  • dad and Shoreline is a huge
  • 00:22:13.050 --> 00:22:16.050
  • church.
  • 00:22:16.050 --> 00:22:18.070
  • It is thousands upon thousands
  • 00:22:18.070 --> 00:22:19.210
  • of people that attend.
  • 00:22:19.210 --> 00:22:20.260
  • If I was to ask you, Luke, why
  • 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:23.100
  • do people come in a day
  • 00:22:23.100 --> 00:22:26.040
  • when--you've been raised in a
  • 00:22:26.040 --> 00:22:27.100
  • great church but that's, like,
  • 00:22:27.100 --> 00:22:29.030
  • 1%, if that, of the churches.
  • 00:22:29.030 --> 00:22:31.130
  • Why do you think when you meet
  • 00:22:31.130 --> 00:22:32.180
  • all the young men, all the young
  • 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:34.100
  • women, the people that attend,
  • 00:22:34.100 --> 00:22:35.140
  • why do you think they come to
  • 00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:36.280
  • Shoreline?
  • 00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:37.280
  • - Luke: I think one word and
  • 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:38.190
  • that one word is acceptance.
  • 00:22:38.190 --> 00:22:40.060
  • You know, something that I--
  • 00:22:40.060 --> 00:22:42.170
  • - Leon: So once they get all
  • 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:43.280
  • cleaned up, you accept them?
  • 00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:44.280
  • - Luke: Yes.
  • 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:45.210
  • - Rob: I thought you were gonna
  • 00:22:45.210 --> 00:22:46.130
  • say my preaching.
  • 00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:46.280
  • - Luke: Oh, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:22:46.280 --> 00:22:47.220
  • His preaching as well.
  • 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:49.080
  • But I think one thing Shoreline
  • 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:50.220
  • is really, really good at is it
  • 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:53.010
  • doesn't matter your past, it
  • 00:22:53.010 --> 00:22:54.150
  • doesn't matter your present,
  • 00:22:54.150 --> 00:22:56.030
  • doesn't matter the color of your
  • 00:22:56.030 --> 00:22:57.180
  • skin, doesn't matter the things
  • 00:22:57.180 --> 00:22:59.060
  • you've done wrong or the things
  • 00:22:59.060 --> 00:23:00.120
  • you've done right.
  • 00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:01.200
  • Whether you have tattoos,
  • 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:02.230
  • whether you drink, whether you
  • 00:23:02.230 --> 00:23:04.000
  • smoke, it doesn't matter.
  • 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:04.270
  • And I think part of that is
  • 00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:06.260
  • because we wanna be a church
  • 00:23:06.260 --> 00:23:08.010
  • that whoever walks in those
  • 00:23:08.010 --> 00:23:09.120
  • doors just feels welcome.
  • 00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:11.030
  • They feel loved.
  • 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:12.020
  • They feel encouraged,
  • 00:23:12.020 --> 00:23:12.280
  • they feel valued.
  • 00:23:12.280 --> 00:23:14.040
  • - Leon: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:23:14.040 --> 00:23:15.160
  • - Luke: They feel understood.
  • 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:16.140
  • - Leon: That's so true.
  • 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:17.070
  • - Luke: And they feel like
  • 00:23:17.070 --> 00:23:17.290
  • somebody's gonna reach out to
  • 00:23:17.290 --> 00:23:18.270
  • them, encourage them, and bring
  • 00:23:18.270 --> 00:23:19.290
  • them into this God family.
  • 00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:21.150
  • And I think that, you know, part
  • 00:23:21.150 --> 00:23:23.110
  • of my thing that I really love
  • 00:23:23.110 --> 00:23:25.110
  • and feel God put on my heart to
  • 00:23:25.110 --> 00:23:26.250
  • do is just reach out to people
  • 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:28.010
  • and make everyone know that,
  • 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:29.220
  • hey, man, you're accepted and
  • 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.250
  • you're loved and, you know,
  • 00:23:30.250 --> 00:23:32.010
  • Christianity isn't this over,
  • 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:33.290
  • you know, spiritual type of
  • 00:23:33.290 --> 00:23:35.260
  • thing where if you do something
  • 00:23:35.260 --> 00:23:36.280
  • bad like you were saying
  • 00:23:36.280 --> 00:23:38.000
  • earlier, then you're cast out.
  • 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.200
  • We're not gonna talk to you.
  • 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.010
  • We wanna be very close and I
  • 00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:42.260
  • think that's what God has called
  • 00:23:42.260 --> 00:23:44.260
  • us to do is to reach out to
  • 00:23:44.260 --> 00:23:45.240
  • those who are lost and hurting
  • 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.270
  • and broken and just be there for
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  • them.
  • 00:23:48.090 --> 00:23:49.240
  • - Leon: We had a situation in
  • 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:50.160
  • our church a little while ago
  • 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.230
  • where purses started to go
  • 00:23:51.230 --> 00:23:53.180
  • missing every Sunday.
  • 00:23:53.180 --> 00:23:55.160
  • And we couldn't catch the person
  • 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.090
  • who was doing this.
  • 00:23:57.090 --> 00:23:59.030
  • And people got mad that thieves
  • 00:23:59.030 --> 00:24:01.200
  • are coming to church.
  • 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.130
  • And I got up one time and I
  • 00:24:03.130 --> 00:24:04.170
  • basically said what you just
  • 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.050
  • said.
  • 00:24:06.050 --> 00:24:06.240
  • I said, "Folks, wanna encourage
  • 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.010
  • ladies, 'Hang on to your purses,
  • 00:24:08.010 --> 00:24:09.120
  • don't put 'em underneath.
  • 00:24:09.120 --> 00:24:10.140
  • They're going missing every
  • 00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:12.110
  • Sunday.'"
  • 00:24:12.110 --> 00:24:13.190
  • And you could hear people
  • 00:24:13.190 --> 00:24:14.130
  • going, "Agh, agh."
  • 00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:15.150
  • I said, "Isn't it wonderful that
  • 00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:17.010
  • thieves are coming to our
  • 00:24:17.010 --> 00:24:17.280
  • church?"
  • 00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:20.280
  • And then they all kind of
  • 00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.210
  • rejuggled their thinking.
  • 00:24:21.210 --> 00:24:23.220
  • - Luke: That's what it's all
  • 00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:24.130
  • about.
  • 00:24:24.130 --> 00:24:25.020
  • Honestly, I think it's all about
  • 00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:25.270
  • whether you're a thief or
  • 00:24:25.270 --> 00:24:27.000
  • struggling with anything, you're
  • 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.210
  • welcome in the house of God at
  • 00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:29.200
  • any time.
  • 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.160
  • - Leon: I had a guy talk to me
  • 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.080
  • one time and he says, "Yeah,
  • 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:32.230
  • Leon, I really love your
  • 00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:33.220
  • preaching."
  • 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:34.280
  • He says, "I love Springs
  • 00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:36.040
  • Church," which is the name of
  • 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:37.070
  • our church.
  • 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:37.250
  • He says, "But I gotta tell you
  • 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.210
  • why I don't come."
  • 00:24:38.210 --> 00:24:39.250
  • And I'm going, "Oh, no, what's
  • 00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:40.180
  • he gonna tell me?
  • 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:41.110
  • What doesn't he like about me?"
  • 00:24:41.110 --> 00:24:42.090
  • And he goes, "You know, I
  • 00:24:42.090 --> 00:24:43.220
  • wouldn't come to your church
  • 00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:45.000
  • because your church is full of,
  • 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.250
  • you know, I don't mean to sound
  • 00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:49.020
  • proud or anything but it's just
  • 00:24:49.020 --> 00:24:52.010
  • kinda riff-raff, you know?"
  • 00:24:52.010 --> 00:24:54.190
  • And I looked at him, I said,
  • 00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:55.260
  • "That's the greatest compliment
  • 00:24:55.260 --> 00:24:57.020
  • you could have ever given me,
  • 00:24:57.020 --> 00:24:59.000
  • 'cause that's where Jesus would
  • 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:00.080
  • have pastored."
  • 00:25:00.080 --> 00:25:02.080
  • - Rob: Yeah, I think we all
  • 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:02.290
  • know.
  • 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:06.090
  • I was in the lobby not too long
  • 00:25:06.090 --> 00:25:07.180
  • ago and someone says, "You know,
  • 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:08.200
  • there's people smoking outside,"
  • 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.110
  • and this, that, and the other.
  • 00:25:10.110 --> 00:25:12.010
  • Someone else said, "You know,
  • 00:25:12.010 --> 00:25:13.000
  • somebody was cussing in the
  • 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:14.000
  • hallway."
  • 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:14.220
  • And I said, "It wasn't my wife,
  • 00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:15.230
  • was it?"
  • 00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:18.020
  • - Leon: She's watching.
  • 00:25:18.020 --> 00:25:20.010
  • Be careful.
  • 00:25:20.010 --> 00:25:20.250
  • - Rob: I know, I know.
  • 00:25:20.250 --> 00:25:22.020
  • The truth is, you know, we're
  • 00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:22.280
  • all flawed and we all have
  • 00:25:22.280 --> 00:25:24.170
  • issues.
  • 00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:25.200
  • And the truth is we're loved by
  • 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.070
  • the Creator of the universe.
  • 00:25:28.070 --> 00:25:30.090
  • The problem in life is never
  • 00:25:30.090 --> 00:25:32.080
  • It's always that we don't know
  • 00:25:35.080 --> 00:25:37.000
  • how much God loves us.
  • 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.240
  • If we knew how much he loved us
  • 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.100
  • then we would love him back
  • 00:25:40.100 --> 00:25:41.270
  • spontaneously and passionately.
  • 00:25:41.270 --> 00:25:44.190
  • - Leon: I think the church has
  • 00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.060
  • gotta get this 'cause we keep
  • 00:25:46.060 --> 00:25:47.100
  • thinking the church is a
  • 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:48.120
  • lighthouse and the Bible does
  • 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:50.240
  • say that, but it is a place to
  • 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.240
  • show the world how to live
  • 00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:55.040
  • right.
  • 00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:56.040
  • And if you take that too far,
  • 00:25:56.040 --> 00:25:58.060
  • then you get a bunch of
  • 00:25:58.060 --> 00:25:59.030
  • hypocrites acting like
  • 00:25:59.030 --> 00:26:00.120
  • everything's fine with them, you
  • 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:02.030
  • know, and we're gonna be an
  • 00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:03.110
  • example for the world, rather
  • 00:26:03.110 --> 00:26:05.110
  • than recognizing if the stall is
  • 00:26:05.110 --> 00:26:07.230
  • dirty, the oxen is working and
  • 00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:09.270
  • so the church is reaching out,
  • 00:26:09.270 --> 00:26:11.240
  • like, I mean, we had the same
  • 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.090
  • problem.
  • 00:26:13.090 --> 00:26:13.280
  • People were smoking everywhere
  • 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:14.260
  • and some of the leaders of the
  • 00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:16.010
  • church said, "Well, you know,
  • 00:26:16.010 --> 00:26:16.280
  • we should put up a sign,
  • 00:26:16.280 --> 00:26:17.270
  • 'No smoking.'"
  • 00:26:17.270 --> 00:26:19.020
  • You know what I said?
  • 00:26:19.020 --> 00:26:19.240
  • "No, put out ashtrays."
  • 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.200
  • And I think that it's--when
  • 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.140
  • we're talking about churches
  • 00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:27.250
  • that are reaching people, that
  • 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:29.130
  • it's this attitude that Jesus
  • 00:26:29.130 --> 00:26:31.100
  • had that you will accept people
  • 00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:33.100
  • the way they are and when they
  • 00:26:33.100 --> 00:26:35.080
  • come to your church, if you
  • 00:26:35.080 --> 00:26:36.080
  • accept them the way they are,
  • 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.240
  • they open their heart and only
  • 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.280
  • then can Jesus change them.
  • 00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:42.170
  • So our disapproval and looking
  • 00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:45.000
  • down at them is not gonna change
  • 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.230
  • 'em.
  • 00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:47.210
  • One time I had a couple guys
  • 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:48.190
  • walk in and they were holding
  • 00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:49.230
  • hands and they happened to walk
  • 00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:51.140
  • past me.
  • 00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:52.050
  • And they said, "Oh, you're
  • 00:26:52.050 --> 00:26:53.030
  • the pastor here."
  • 00:26:53.030 --> 00:26:54.090
  • And I said, "Yeah."
  • 00:26:54.090 --> 00:26:55.050
  • They said, "Is it okay
  • 00:26:55.050 --> 00:26:55.220
  • if we come to your church?"
  • 00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:57.070
  • And I said, "Absolutely."
  • 00:26:57.070 --> 00:26:58.190
  • "Oh, but," and then he holds
  • 00:26:58.190 --> 00:27:00.140
  • hand, goes, "I love this man."
  • 00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:02.260
  • I said, "You're more than
  • 00:27:02.260 --> 00:27:03.270
  • welcome to come to our church."
  • 00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:05.040
  • And he goes, "No, no, you don't
  • 00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:06.020
  • get it.
  • 00:27:06.020 --> 00:27:06.280
  • I love this man."
  • 00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:09.100
  • And we were starting to get a
  • 00:27:09.100 --> 00:27:10.010
  • crowd now in the foyer.
  • 00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.120
  • And so I pointed to the ushers
  • 00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:12.270
  • and the other men that
  • 00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:13.180
  • were--said, "Do you see these
  • 00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:14.110
  • men here?"
  • 00:27:14.110 --> 00:27:15.060
  • I said, "I love these men."
  • 00:27:15.100 --> 00:27:18.100
  • He looked at me and he goes,
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:19.180
  • "No, you're not getting it.
  • 00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:20.200
  • I love this man."
  • 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.030
  • I said, "You're welcome here.
  • 00:27:22.030 --> 00:27:23.090
  • I love these men."
  • 00:27:23.090 --> 00:27:25.100
  • "Okay, you know what I'm talking
  • 00:27:25.100 --> 00:27:27.070
  • about."
  • 00:27:27.070 --> 00:27:28.160
  • And then I kind of smiled and I
  • 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.150
  • said, "I know exactly what
  • 00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:30.210
  • you're talking about."
  • 00:27:30.210 --> 00:27:31.260
  • I said, "I love these guys.
  • 00:27:31.260 --> 00:27:32.290
  • I just don't have sex with 'em.
  • 00:27:32.290 --> 00:27:34.010
  • You're more than welcome to come
  • 00:27:34.010 --> 00:27:34.240
  • to church.
  • 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.130
  • Come on in."
  • 00:27:35.130 --> 00:27:36.010
  • "I like you," he goes.
  • 00:27:36.010 --> 00:27:37.130
  • And in they went.
  • 00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:39.090
  • Like, this acceptance is saying
  • 00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:41.100
  • to people, "Come as you are.
  • 00:27:41.100 --> 00:27:43.170
  • As perfect or as messed up
  • 00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.190
  • whichever you think you are,"
  • 00:27:45.190 --> 00:27:47.160
  • and then let Jesus touch 'em,
  • 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.090
  • right?
  • 00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:50.100
  • - Rob: Absolutely.
  • 00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:51.150
  • I think one of the biggest
  • 00:27:51.150 --> 00:27:52.070
  • challenges is we're trying to
  • 00:27:52.070 --> 00:27:53.260
  • catch 'em, you know?
  • 00:27:56.100 --> 00:27:57.270
  • What's the deal with that, you
  • 00:27:57.270 --> 00:27:59.100
  • know?
  • 00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.110
  • - Leon: We're trying to clean
  • 00:28:00.110 --> 00:28:01.020
  • 'em before we catch 'em.
  • 00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:01.250
  • - Rob: Yeah, so, yeah.
  • 00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:02.170
  • - Luke: I think one of the
  • 00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:03.090
  • biggest advantages for
  • 00:28:03.090 --> 00:28:04.060
  • Christianity this day is your
  • 00:28:04.060 --> 00:28:05.280
  • flaws.
  • 00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:06.210
  • You know, I think when you come
  • 00:28:06.210 --> 00:28:07.180
  • across as this perfect person,
  • 00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:09.030
  • then you're not able to relate
  • 00:28:09.030 --> 00:28:10.160
  • to people as much and so
  • 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.220
  • whenever you go through things
  • 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.280
  • and whenever things happen to
  • 00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:14.070
  • you, whether it's a death, a
  • 00:28:14.070 --> 00:28:15.220
  • tragedy, some sort of thing that
  • 00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:16.220
  • you're facing in your life, it's
  • 00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:17.230
  • your flaws most often that can
  • 00:28:17.230 --> 00:28:19.110
  • help reach other people at where
  • 00:28:19.110 --> 00:28:20.150
  • they're dealing with and facing
  • 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:23.150
  • with and say, "Hey, brother,
  • 00:28:23.150 --> 00:28:24.260
  • sister, I understand what you're
  • 00:28:24.260 --> 00:28:26.050
  • going through.
  • 00:28:26.050 --> 00:28:27.050
  • I've gone down that road before.
  • 00:28:27.050 --> 00:28:28.200
  • You're welcome.
  • 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:29.160
  • Come on in."
  • 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.070
  • - Leon: And that is why so many
  • 00:28:30.070 --> 00:28:31.160
  • people are coming.
  • 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.070
  • And so many attracted.
  • 00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.010
  • Now, you are doing--you're
  • 00:28:34.010 --> 00:28:36.250
  • launching out into something
  • 00:28:36.250 --> 00:28:37.190
  • really cool.
  • 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:38.230
  • You're launching out into
  • 00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:39.180
  • conferencing.
  • 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:41.060
  • Is it for young singles.
  • 00:28:41.060 --> 00:28:42.270
  • - Luke: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:28:42.270 --> 00:28:43.180
  • So basically, May 20 and 21
  • 00:28:43.180 --> 00:28:44.290
  • we're doing this thing called
  • 00:28:44.290 --> 00:28:46.100
  • 5-1-2 Conference in Austin,
  • 00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:48.180
  • Texas, here at Shoreline Church.
  • 00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:50.040
  • And, you know, I had this dream
  • 00:28:50.040 --> 00:28:51.210
  • a little while back about going,
  • 00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:53.130
  • you know, going up to Mom and
  • 00:28:53.130 --> 00:28:54.180
  • Dad, saying, "Man, it'd be
  • 00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:55.130
  • really awesome to just unite the
  • 00:28:55.130 --> 00:28:56.240
  • whole city of Austin."
  • 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.070
  • So our area code is actually
  • 00:28:58.070 --> 00:28:59.130
  • 512.
  • 00:28:59.130 --> 00:29:00.200
  • It's the number for everyone and
  • 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.020
  • I decided, man, what if we just
  • 00:29:02.020 --> 00:29:03.140
  • unite churches and get 'em all
  • 00:29:03.140 --> 00:29:05.060
  • together, have a big conference,
  • 00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:06.200
  • some awesome speakers coming to
  • 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.240
  • share, and let's just see what
  • 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:09.230
  • God does.
  • 00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:10.150
  • And it's been awesome.
  • 00:29:10.150 --> 00:29:11.140
  • We haven't even started really
  • 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:12.260
  • advertising it through the
  • 00:29:12.260 --> 00:29:14.000
  • church yet but--
  • 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.040
  • - Leon: A ton of churches are
  • 00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:15.250
  • getting involved?
  • 00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:16.130
  • - Luke: Yeah, we have 15
  • 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:17.060
  • churches already involved, 8 of
  • 00:29:17.060 --> 00:29:18.120
  • them outside of the city of
  • 00:29:18.120 --> 00:29:19.150
  • Austin.
  • 00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:20.120
  • And it's just crazy to see what
  • 00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:21.240
  • God's doing because I really
  • 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.030
  • believe that God not only has
  • 00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:25.020
  • something special that he wants
  • 00:29:25.020 --> 00:29:26.220
  • to do in Austin, Texas, but God
  • 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.200
  • is gonna be doing something
  • 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.140
  • special all around the world and
  • 00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:32.180
  • it takes all of us joining
  • 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:33.260
  • together and doing this
  • 00:29:33.260 --> 00:29:34.290
  • together.
  • 00:29:34.290 --> 00:29:36.030
  • - Leon: Well, I think the
  • 00:29:36.030 --> 00:29:36.280
  • church needs a wake-up call.
  • 00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:38.110
  • People ask me, "Leon, are you a
  • 00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.210
  • church planting organization?"
  • 00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:41.270
  • And I start telling 'em, "No,
  • 00:29:41.270 --> 00:29:43.030
  • we're a church redeeming
  • 00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:44.030
  • organization."
  • 00:29:44.030 --> 00:29:45.100
  • "What do you mean?"
  • 00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:46.060
  • "I just believe that there are
  • 00:29:46.060 --> 00:29:47.190
  • some great churches out there
  • 00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:48.280
  • but thousands are closing
  • 00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:50.060
  • their doors every year.
  • 00:29:50.060 --> 00:29:52.190
  • And they don't seem to get
  • 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:53.260
  • Spirit contemporary, being
  • 00:29:53.260 --> 00:29:55.280
  • spiritually alive, but yet cool
  • 00:29:55.280 --> 00:29:58.010
  • and relevant and able to answer
  • 00:29:58.010 --> 00:30:00.130
  • questions they're asking.
  • 00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:01.250
  • The actual ability to connect
  • 00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:03.080
  • with people is so missing and
  • 00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:05.250
  • so when churches get together
  • 00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:06.240
  • and young men and women
  • 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.020
  • just pack out.
  • 00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:09.160
  • They come to worship God and to
  • 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.270
  • be taught.
  • 00:30:10.270 --> 00:30:11.190
  • I think that's totally, totally
  • 00:30:11.190 --> 00:30:13.120
  • awesome.
  • 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:14.250
  • You know, we're gonna go to a
  • 00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:15.280
  • song in just a minute but I'd
  • 00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:17.130
  • love to have you guys pray.
  • 00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.120
  • 'Cause there are people watching
  • 00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:20.200
  • right now and I thought I'd love
  • 00:30:21.090 --> 00:30:24.090
  • to have you pray for that person
  • 00:30:24.090 --> 00:30:25.230
  • that's going through a tragedy.
  • 00:30:25.230 --> 00:30:27.010
  • And I know the guilt,
  • 00:30:27.010 --> 00:30:28.250
  • the condemnation.
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  • And when you're done, I want you
  • 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.050
  • to pray for the emerging
  • 00:30:32.050 --> 00:30:33.070
  • generation.
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  • Everywhere I'm going today, I'm
  • 00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:35.130
  • just seeing gray hair.
  • 00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:37.220
  • Few churches have all age
  • 00:30:37.220 --> 00:30:39.120
  • groups.
  • 00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:40.190
  • It's usually just the older and
  • 00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:42.090
  • now, there's a lot of great
  • 00:30:42.090 --> 00:30:43.200
  • churches that we hang with that
  • 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:44.290
  • have them but it's not the norm.
  • 00:30:44.290 --> 00:30:47.020
  • And let's pray for them.
  • 00:30:47.020 --> 00:30:48.160
  • But Rob, would you start and
  • 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.220
  • pray for that person listening
  • 00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:50.150
  • right now.
  • 00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:51.140
  • - Rob: Father, we just come
  • 00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:52.040
  • before you and we are so
  • 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:54.100
  • grateful and thankful that our
  • 00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:56.040
  • relationship with you transcends
  • 00:30:57.050 --> 00:31:00.070
  • all of the experiences and
  • 00:31:00.070 --> 00:31:02.150
  • difficulties of life.
  • 00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.190
  • And Father, you wanna meet us
  • 00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:05.230
  • right where we live and, Father,
  • 00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:07.110
  • we would never survive the loss
  • 00:31:07.110 --> 00:31:09.140
  • of loved ones.
  • 00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:10.090
  • We would never survive the
  • 00:31:10.090 --> 00:31:11.270
  • setbacks and the difficulties of
  • 00:31:11.270 --> 00:31:13.150
  • life on our own.
  • 00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:15.010
  • And so, Father, I'm so grateful
  • 00:31:15.010 --> 00:31:15.260
  • that your presence is with us.
  • 00:31:15.260 --> 00:31:18.070
  • Now, Lord, I'm praying right now
  • 00:31:18.070 --> 00:31:19.180
  • for every single person who's
  • 00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:21.030
  • watching this broadcast tonight
  • 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:23.160
  • who's facing challenges and
  • 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.060
  • difficulties and loss and pain.
  • 00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:28.220
  • Father, I pray that your love
  • 00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:30.170
  • and your comfort, the presence
  • 00:31:30.170 --> 00:31:32.230
  • of the Holy Spirit, would just
  • 00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:34.110
  • wrap--you would wrap your arms
  • 00:31:34.110 --> 00:31:37.090
  • around them, Father, that their
  • 00:31:37.090 --> 00:31:38.230
  • lives would just feel that
  • 00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:40.010
  • comfort, feel that peace, feel
  • 00:31:40.010 --> 00:31:41.130
  • that sense of warmth.
  • 00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:43.060
  • And Lord, I pray that you would
  • 00:31:43.060 --> 00:31:44.260
  • give them strength and courage
  • 00:31:44.260 --> 00:31:47.030
  • to face the challenges as they
  • 00:31:47.030 --> 00:31:48.280
  • move forward in life, Father.
  • 00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:51.130
  • We pray it in Jesus' name.
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  • - Leon: Amen.
  • 00:31:53.110 --> 00:31:54.070
  • - Luke: Amen.
  • 00:31:54.070 --> 00:31:55.050
  • - Leon: Luke, go ahead.
  • 00:31:55.050 --> 00:31:55.260
  • Pray for our young people.
  • 00:31:55.260 --> 00:31:56.240
  • - Luke: Yeah.
  • 00:31:57.110 --> 00:32:00.130
  • Lord, we ask your Holy Spirit to
  • 00:32:00.130 --> 00:32:02.220
  • just rain down right now.
  • 00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.010
  • God, we ask that every young
  • 00:32:05.010 --> 00:32:06.090
  • person that's watching this
  • 00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:07.150
  • broadcast live right now, Jesus,
  • 00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:09.150
  • we pray that anybody that's
  • 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:11.020
  • going through anything hard or
  • 00:32:11.020 --> 00:32:12.090
  • difficult, Father God, anything
  • 00:32:12.090 --> 00:32:13.240
  • that's getting them off-track or
  • 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.020
  • away from the will of God that
  • 00:32:15.020 --> 00:32:16.290
  • you have for their lives, Jesus,
  • 00:32:16.290 --> 00:32:17.290
  • we know that the enemy comes to
  • 00:32:17.290 --> 00:32:19.070
  • take us off track.
  • 00:32:19.070 --> 00:32:20.210
  • But God, we know that we serve
  • 00:32:20.210 --> 00:32:21.220
  • you.
  • 00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:22.200
  • You're the King of kings, you're
  • 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.150
  • the Lord of lords.
  • 00:32:23.150 --> 00:32:24.180
  • You're the alpha, you're the
  • 00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:25.270
  • omega, you're the beginning and
  • 00:32:25.270 --> 00:32:26.260
  • you're the end, Jesus.
  • 00:32:26.260 --> 00:32:27.230
  • It doesn't matter what happens
  • 00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:29.000
  • in our life.
  • 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:29.220
  • It doesn't matter what happened
  • 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:30.200
  • yesterday or what happens in our
  • 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.010
  • future, Jesus.
  • 00:32:32.010 --> 00:32:33.010
  • We know that when we focus on
  • 00:32:33.010 --> 00:32:34.170
  • you, when we put our attention
  • 00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:35.260
  • to you, when we take off the
  • 00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:37.170
  • distractions, the layers, the
  • 00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:39.080
  • things that don't need to be
  • 00:32:39.080 --> 00:32:40.160
  • there anymore, Father God, I
  • 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.170
  • know that that will result in
  • 00:32:41.170 --> 00:32:43.140
  • you blessing us and calling us
  • 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.020
  • and leading us to where you want
  • 00:32:45.020 --> 00:32:46.190
  • us to go.
  • 00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:47.120
  • So God, I pray for this
  • 00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:48.200
  • generation right now, God, that
  • 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.080
  • they would rise up, God.
  • 00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:51.230
  • That we'd recognize who we are
  • 00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:53.080
  • in you, Jesus.
  • 00:32:53.080 --> 00:32:54.030
  • That we wouldn't allow the
  • 00:32:54.030 --> 00:32:55.110
  • opinions of the world, the music
  • 00:32:55.110 --> 00:32:57.010
  • of the world, the way the world
  • 00:32:57.010 --> 00:32:58.190
  • sways us to and fro to get into
  • 00:32:58.190 --> 00:33:00.160
  • our lives but, God, from this
  • 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.290
  • moment forward, we'd rise up and
  • 00:33:01.290 --> 00:33:03.110
  • we'd focus on you.
  • 00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:05.000
  • So God, we thank you for the
  • 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.100
  • miracles.
  • 00:33:06.100 --> 00:33:07.080
  • We thank you for what you're
  • 00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:08.050
  • gonna do in our lives from this
  • 00:33:08.050 --> 00:33:09.240
  • moment forward, Jesus.
  • 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.000
  • And I pray that you just have
  • 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:12.100
  • your way in our lives, Jesus.
  • 00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:13.160
  • In your name we pray, amen.
  • 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.200
  • - Leon: Amen.
  • 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.000
  • Thank you, guys, for being with
  • 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.170
  • me today.
  • 00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:19.180
  • Great move of God.
  • 00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:21.130
  • What God is doing is so special
  • 00:33:21.130 --> 00:33:22.110
  • there in Austin and Shoreline.
  • 00:33:22.110 --> 00:33:24.080
  • And thank you, guys, for being
  • 00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:25.200
  • with us.
  • 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.090
  • - Luke: Thank you.
  • 00:33:26.090 --> 00:33:27.000
  • - Leon: Man, Myron, take it
  • 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:27.200
  • away, bro.
  • 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.050
  • Go for it.
  • 00:33:28.050 --> 00:33:30.010
  • - Myron: The Word of the Lord
  • 00:33:30.010 --> 00:33:31.120
  • in the power of the tongue.
  • 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:37.180
  • Sing this with us tonight.
  • 00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:39.190
  • Yes, I believe
  • 00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:54.190
  • it belongs to me.
  • 00:33:57.030 --> 00:34:00.050
  • I shall have
  • 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:04.080
  • Sing that with us tonight.
  • 00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:06.110
  • What I decree.
  • 00:34:07.250 --> 00:34:10.250
  • Yes, I believe, by faith,
  • 00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:17.200
  • it belongs to me.
  • 00:34:18.180 --> 00:34:21.180
  • Because of that,
  • 00:34:21.180 --> 00:34:23.130
  • so I'm going to speak into
  • 00:34:24.120 --> 00:34:27.120
  • Yes, Lord.
  • 00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:30.070
  • Does anybody in the room
  • 00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:30.260
  • believe that tonight?
  • 00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:33.000
  • We're gonna speak into
  • 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.190
  • the atmosphere.
  • 00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:42.130
  • Everybody in the room
  • 00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:43.040
  • tonight, sing with us.
  • 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:44.290
  • I shall have.
  • 00:34:44.290 --> 00:34:47.050
  • Sing.
  • 00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:48.100
  • I shall have what I decree.
  • 00:34:51.180 --> 00:34:54.180
  • it belongs to me.
  • 00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:05.190
  • Again, sing with us.
  • 00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:07.060
  • I shall have.
  • 00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:09.130
  • Sing.
  • 00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:11.180
  • I shall have what I decree.
  • 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:17.110
  • Hallelujah.
  • 00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:21.240
  • Thank you, Lord.
  • 00:35:21.240 --> 00:35:23.070
  • It belongs.
  • 00:35:23.070 --> 00:35:24.080
  • It belongs to me.
  • 00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:26.180
  • And if you believe that tonight,
  • 00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:27.150
  • I want you to sing with us.
  • 00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:29.110
  • So I'm gonna speak
  • 00:35:29.110 --> 00:35:31.290
  • into the atmosphere.
  • 00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:36.090
  • There's some things
  • 00:35:36.090 --> 00:35:37.140
  • that God has promised you but
  • 00:35:37.140 --> 00:35:38.260
  • you gotta open up your mouth--
  • 00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:40.130
  • And speak into.
  • 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:41.230
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:48.120
  • If you believe it tonight,
  • 00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:49.190
  • I just want you to say this.
  • 00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:50.280
  • Say this.
  • 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.250
  • Speak it, speak it.
  • 00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:56.250
  • That's it, keep saying it.
  • 00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:58.010
  • Speak it.
  • 00:35:58.010 --> 00:35:59.260
  • Everything God's told you.
  • 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:01.200
  • Speak.
  • 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:02.230
  • Everything he promised you.
  • 00:36:02.230 --> 00:36:04.060
  • Speak.
  • 00:36:04.060 --> 00:36:05.070
  • It shall come to pass.
  • 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:06.240
  • Speak.
  • 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:07.290
  • But you've gotta open
  • 00:36:07.290 --> 00:36:08.210
  • up your mouth and--
  • 00:36:08.210 --> 00:36:09.280
  • Speak.
  • 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.180
  • And speak it.
  • 00:36:10.180 --> 00:36:12.020
  • Listen, listen.
  • 00:36:12.020 --> 00:36:13.110
  • Declare it.
  • 00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.060
  • You've gotta stand on
  • 00:36:15.060 --> 00:36:16.100
  • the Word of God.
  • 00:36:16.100 --> 00:36:18.040
  • Declare it.
  • 00:36:18.040 --> 00:36:18.240
  • His promises are yea and amen
  • 00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:20.030
  • Declare.
  • 00:36:20.030 --> 00:36:21.000
  • Everything God said,
  • 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:21.280
  • it shall come to pass.
  • 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.040
  • Declare.
  • 00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:23.220
  • You've got to declare it.
  • 00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:24.190
  • Declare it.
  • 00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:26.020
  • Anybody gonna declare it
  • 00:36:26.020 --> 00:36:26.280
  • tonight?
  • 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.220
  • Declare.
  • 00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:28.140
  • You've got to declare it.
  • 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:29.190
  • Declare.
  • 00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:32.150
  • What you're gonna
  • 00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:33.050
  • declare tonight?
  • 00:36:33.050 --> 00:36:34.050
  • Listen.
  • 00:36:34.050 --> 00:36:35.030
  • It's mine.
  • 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:36.200
  • Healing is mine.
  • 00:36:36.200 --> 00:36:39.000
  • Restoration is mine.
  • 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.160
  • You shall have what
  • 00:36:41.170 --> 00:36:44.170
  • you say according to
  • 00:36:44.170 --> 00:36:47.060
  • the will of the Lord.
  • 00:36:47.060 --> 00:36:49.040
  • It is mine.
  • 00:36:49.040 --> 00:36:52.010
  • I believe it in my soul.
  • 00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:54.050
  • Somebody shout, "Yes."
  • 00:36:54.050 --> 00:36:56.170
  • Yes.
  • 00:36:56.170 --> 00:36:57.190
  • I am the head
  • 00:36:57.190 --> 00:36:59.030
  • and not the tail.
  • 00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:02.040
  • I am above and not beneath.
  • 00:37:03.160 --> 00:37:06.160
  • I am the lender and
  • 00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:08.270
  • not the borrower.
  • 00:37:09.010 --> 00:37:12.010
  • Do you believe it tonight?
  • 00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:13.180
  • Speak it to--
  • 00:37:13.180 --> 00:37:15.010
  • Speak it to.
  • 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:16.070
  • Speak it, speak it.
  • 00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:18.170
  • Speak.
  • 00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:19.270
  • Somebody speak it.
  • 00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:21.080
  • Speak.
  • 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:22.040
  • Over your past.
  • 00:37:22.040 --> 00:37:23.080
  • Speak.
  • 00:37:23.080 --> 00:37:24.180
  • And over your future.
  • 00:37:24.180 --> 00:37:26.240
  • You've got to speak it.
  • 00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:28.100
  • Speak it.
  • 00:37:28.100 --> 00:37:29.210
  • Speak it.
  • 00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:31.010
  • Speak it.
  • 00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:32.070
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:35.100
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.210
  • Hallelujah.
  • 00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:41.230
  • All over the room
  • 00:37:41.230 --> 00:37:42.130
  • tonight
  • 00:37:42.130 --> 00:37:43.210
  • I shall have
  • 00:37:43.210 --> 00:37:45.200
  • Sing.
  • 00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:46.220
  • I shall have what I decree.
  • 00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:53.100
  • Yes, I believe,
  • 00:37:54.140 --> 00:37:57.140
  • by faith
  • 00:37:57.140 --> 00:37:59.090
  • it belongs to me.
  • 00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:02.020
  • One more time
  • 00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:03.000
  • if you believe.
  • 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:03.240
  • I shall have
  • 00:38:03.240 --> 00:38:05.190
  • Sing.
  • 00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:06.130
  • I shall have what I decree.
  • 00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:12.230
  • Yes, I believe,
  • 00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:17.220
  • it belongs to me.
  • 00:38:19.270 --> 00:38:22.270
  • Everybody.
  • 00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:23.240
  • So I'm going to speak
  • 00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:26.030
  • into the atmosphere.
  • 00:38:29.030 --> 00:38:32.030
  • It's simple but just
  • 00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:32.270
  • lift it up in the room.
  • 00:38:32.270 --> 00:38:33.240
  • Say
  • 00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:34.170
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:38:34.170 --> 00:38:36.050
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:39.010
  • Yes, Lord.
  • 00:38:39.010 --> 00:38:40.190
  • If you believe it down
  • 00:38:40.190 --> 00:38:42.170
  • in your soul tonight,
  • 00:38:42.170 --> 00:38:43.090
  • sing it one more time.
  • 00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:44.120
  • Speak into, aye,
  • 00:38:44.290 --> 00:38:47.290
  • the atmosphere.
  • 00:38:47.290 --> 00:38:50.160
  • Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-ohh,
  • 00:38:50.160 --> 00:38:53.090
  • hallelujah.
  • 00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:54.020
  • One more time.
  • 00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:54.230
  • Speak into the atmosphere.
  • 00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:59.090
  • Hallelujah.
  • 00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:00.290
  • If you believe that,
  • 00:39:00.290 --> 00:39:02.000
  • give the Lord a hand praise
  • 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.250
  • tonight.
  • 00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:04.200
  • Speak into the atmosphere,
  • 00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:12.170
  • yeah.
  • 00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:14.030
  • Hallelujah.
  • 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:15.010
  • - Leon: Amen.
  • 00:39:19.150 --> 00:39:20.140
  • Praise the Lord.
  • 00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:21.160
  • Awesome.
  • 00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:24.160
  • Amen.
  • 00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:25.290
  • There's nothing like speaking
  • 00:39:25.290 --> 00:39:27.030
  • God's Word.
  • 00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:28.180
  • Well, today I wanna just take a
  • 00:39:28.180 --> 00:39:30.060
  • moment and let you know about
  • 00:39:30.060 --> 00:39:32.040
  • something we'd love to send you
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  • as a gift.
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  • My favorite one is "The Naked
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  • Gospel."
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  • I read that cover--welcome, you
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  • It's just great to have you with
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  • - Bruxy Cavey: Thank you.
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  • - Leon: And amen.
  • 00:43:48.270 --> 00:43:49.290
  • Now, the last time we were on,
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  • you had gotten a new tattoo.
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  • - Bruxy: Yes.
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  • - Leon: So why don't you show
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  • us the tattoo again?
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  • - Bruxy: And it's still there.
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  • - Leon: Leviticus 19:28.
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  • What is Leviticus 19:28 say?
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  • - Bruxy: That's the verse in
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  • the Old Testament that says
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  • God's people must not get a
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  • tattoo.
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  • - Leon: Okay, explain that to
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  • me 'cause you're a pastor of a
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  • huge megachurch.
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  • - Bruxy: Yes, sir.
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  • - Leon: Now, looking at you,
  • 00:44:14.100 --> 00:44:15.140
  • some people don't think so but I
  • 00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:16.110
  • think you're cool, man.
  • 00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:18.020
  • - Bruxy: I'm undercover.
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  • - Leon: You the man.
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  • - Bruxy: That's right.
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  • - Leon: But why would you put
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  • that on?
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  • Tell me what statement are you
  • 00:44:21.290 --> 00:44:23.070
  • making?
  • 00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:23.260
  • - Bruxy: Well, I was trying to
  • 00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:24.180
  • think what's my favorite Bible
  • 00:44:24.180 --> 00:44:25.090
  • verse?
  • 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:25.180
  • This is not my favorite Bible
  • 00:44:25.180 --> 00:44:26.090
  • verse but what verse points to
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  • Jesus the quickest?
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  • 'Cause if I'm gonna get a
  • 00:44:29.180 --> 00:44:30.220
  • tattoo, it's gonna be a
  • 00:44:30.220 --> 00:44:31.200
  • conversation starter about Jesus
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  • and the new covenant.
  • 00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:34.150
  • Now, what Bible verse would
  • 00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:36.050
  • start that conversation as
  • 00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:37.060
  • quickly as possible?
  • 00:44:37.060 --> 00:44:38.260
  • we must not get a tattoo.
  • 00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:43.020
  • And I thought, "That's gonna be
  • 00:44:43.020 --> 00:44:44.020
  • the perfect tattoo to get."
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  • If--because it--the only reason
  • 00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:48.250
  • someone would get that tattoo
  • 00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.180
  • rebellion against God or because
  • 00:44:52.020 --> 00:44:54.020
  • they have woken up to the grace
  • 00:44:54.020 --> 00:44:55.090
  • of the new covenant.
  • 00:44:55.090 --> 00:44:56.170
  • And it's gotta be one way or the
  • 00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:57.290
  • other.
  • 00:44:57.290 --> 00:44:59.010
  • Leviticus 19:27, the verse just
  • 00:44:59.010 --> 00:45:00.240
  • before this, says that if you're
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  • a gentleman you are not to cut
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  • your hair or trim your beard.
  • 00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:06.020
  • And I see a lot of sinners up
  • 00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:07.010
  • there.
  • 00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:08.040
  • And just a few verses before
  • 00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:10.080
  • that says that if you're wearing
  • 00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:12.020
  • clothing woven of two different
  • 00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:13.100
  • kinds of material, that you are
  • 00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:15.090
  • to be stoned to death.
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  • So if that's pure wool, ma'am,
  • 00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:19.060
  • or that's a pure polyester--if
  • 00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:21.030
  • that's a polyester blend, I'm
  • 00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.040
  • sorry, we will stone you.
  • 00:45:22.040 --> 00:45:23.130
  • But--and so we intuitively
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  • realize that God has moved us
  • 00:45:26.200 --> 00:45:27.290
  • into something new but we're a
  • 00:45:28.170 --> 00:45:31.170
  • bit fuzzy on it sometimes when
  • 00:45:31.170 --> 00:45:32.220
  • we try and live life with
  • 00:45:32.220 --> 00:45:33.250
  • one foot in the new covenant,
  • 00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:35.010
  • one foot in the old covenant.
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  • We have grace but we wanna
  • 00:45:36.230 --> 00:45:38.020
  • season it with a little bit of
  • 00:45:38.020 --> 00:45:39.000
  • law.
  • 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.040
  • And the gospel message just
  • 00:45:40.040 --> 00:45:42.090
  • takes us purely into this life
  • 00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:44.290
  • of grace that is so freeing and
  • 00:45:44.290 --> 00:45:46.290
  • so beautiful and, if a tattoo
  • 00:45:46.290 --> 00:45:48.080
  • can help me get a conversation
  • 00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:50.100
  • started about that--
  • 00:45:50.100 --> 00:45:51.060
  • - Leon: Has it helped?
  • 00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:52.000
  • - Bruxy: Oh, my goodness.
  • 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.010
  • Has it ever?
  • 00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:54.190
  • Yes, and so I--we'll be having a
  • 00:45:54.190 --> 00:45:56.080
  • tattoo artist giving free
  • 00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:58.100
  • tattoos tonight for all of--no,
  • 00:45:58.100 --> 00:45:59.240
  • not really.
  • 00:45:59.240 --> 00:46:01.060
  • But--
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  • - Leon: Your book, "The End of
  • 00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:03.180
  • Religion," I have to tell you, I
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  • read it a number of years ago.
  • 00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:06.200
  • It was--if you wanna read a
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  • great book, "The End of
  • 00:46:08.180 --> 00:46:09.250
  • Religion," it actually helped me
  • 00:46:09.290 --> 00:46:12.290
  • as a pastor just to clear that
  • 00:46:12.290 --> 00:46:14.200
  • up and to be so sold, 'cause
  • 00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:16.260
  • it's all about Jesus.
  • 00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:18.240
  • - Bruxy: Yeah, and when
  • 00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:19.240
  • you--you know, the gospel--it's
  • 00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:20.280
  • great you say, as a pastor it
  • 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.190
  • helped you.
  • 00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:22.070
  • I wrote "The End of Religion" to
  • 00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:23.100
  • your non-Christian friends.
  • 00:46:23.100 --> 00:46:25.170
  • That's who I had in mind but
  • 00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:29.010
  • I've heard back from a lot of
  • 00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:30.100
  • Christians that just kind of
  • 00:46:30.100 --> 00:46:31.110
  • marinating in the gospel is
  • 00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:32.080
  • something we all need and will
  • 00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:33.070
  • benefit from.
  • 00:46:33.070 --> 00:46:34.030
  • The gospel's not a message that
  • 00:46:34.030 --> 00:46:35.120
  • we should see in our rear view
  • 00:46:35.120 --> 00:46:36.200
  • mirror, that we should say,
  • 00:46:36.200 --> 00:46:37.180
  • "Well, that's how I got saved
  • 00:46:37.180 --> 00:46:38.100
  • but now I live a different way."
  • 00:46:38.100 --> 00:46:39.210
  • But rather, this gospel of grace
  • 00:46:39.210 --> 00:46:41.280
  • is something we all need to come
  • 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.050
  • back to regularly, be reminded
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  • of.
  • 00:46:44.120 --> 00:46:45.170
  • Because we will slip slowly back
  • 00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:47.100
  • into law and into legalism.
  • 00:46:47.100 --> 00:46:49.170
  • - Leon: It's true.
  • 00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:50.220
  • We all will slide if we're not
  • 00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:52.000
  • careful and stay in the Word.
  • 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:53.040
  • - Bruxy: Yeah, grace is so
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  • radical.
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  • So to find ways to just kind of
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  • bake that gospel message into
  • 00:46:58.010 --> 00:46:58.260
  • our hearts again and again, and
  • 00:46:58.260 --> 00:46:59.200
  • that's--I've been reading
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  • Andrew's books and, for me--
  • 00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:02.070
  • - Leon: That's how we meet each
  • 00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:04.080
  • other.
  • 00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:04.270
  • - Bruxy: Yes, that's right.
  • 00:47:04.270 --> 00:47:05.180
  • So I read his books and he's
  • 00:47:05.180 --> 00:47:06.090
  • writing on the same thing and I
  • 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:07.160
  • say, "I know this message but I
  • 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:08.230
  • need to hear it."
  • 00:47:08.230 --> 00:47:10.010
  • I mean, I wrote a book about it
  • 00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:10.290
  • and then I read someone else's
  • 00:47:10.290 --> 00:47:12.220
  • approach to Scripture on the
  • 00:47:12.220 --> 00:47:14.090
  • same message of grace and I say,
  • 00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:15.280
  • "I need to drink this in again
  • 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.270
  • and again."
  • 00:47:17.270 --> 00:47:18.290
  • It never gets old.
  • 00:47:18.290 --> 00:47:20.020
  • That's the beautiful thing about
  • 00:47:20.020 --> 00:47:20.240
  • the gospel.
  • 00:47:20.240 --> 00:47:21.100
  • - Leon: "The Naked Gospel"
  • 00:47:21.100 --> 00:47:22.060
  • rocks.
  • 00:47:22.060 --> 00:47:23.160
  • I read that thing cover to cover
  • 00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:24.250
  • and the way you unpack
  • 00:47:24.250 --> 00:47:26.080
  • Scripture.
  • 00:47:26.080 --> 00:47:27.000
  • Some guys try so hard to be
  • 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.250
  • complicated as though wisdom is
  • 00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:30.150
  • being complex but real wisdom's
  • 00:47:30.150 --> 00:47:33.070
  • taking the complex and making it
  • 00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:35.040
  • simple.
  • 00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:36.050
  • You did an amazing job.
  • 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:37.080
  • Great book.
  • 00:47:37.080 --> 00:47:38.120
  • Tell me a little bit about that
  • 00:47:38.120 --> 00:47:39.080
  • book, "The Naked Gospel."
  • 00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:40.030
  • - Andrew Farley: Yeah, well, I
  • 00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:41.060
  • the floor of my apartment and I
  • 00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:44.130
  • was begging God for answers.
  • 00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:46.110
  • I was telling him, "Look,
  • 00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:48.070
  • I have done everything
  • 00:47:48.070 --> 00:47:49.280
  • I'm sharing my faith with
  • 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:53.230
  • everybody that I meet.
  • 00:47:53.230 --> 00:47:54.230
  • I'm in church every time
  • 00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:55.250
  • the doors are open.
  • 00:47:55.250 --> 00:47:57.000
  • I'm reading my Bible
  • 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:58.090
  • 4 and 5 hours a day.
  • 00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:00.130
  • And I still don't feel like I'm
  • 00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:01.270
  • growing spiritually.
  • 00:48:01.270 --> 00:48:03.220
  • I don't feel like I'm getting
  • 00:48:03.220 --> 00:48:04.210
  • closer to you.
  • 00:48:04.210 --> 00:48:06.000
  • My feelings aren't lining up.
  • 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.110
  • What's wrong with my theology?"
  • 00:48:07.110 --> 00:48:10.050
  • And really, Leon, it wasn't
  • 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:11.230
  • a lightning bolt out of heaven.
  • 00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:13.070
  • It was more like a decade of
  • 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:15.180
  • replacing old thoughts with new
  • 00:48:15.180 --> 00:48:17.130
  • thoughts and, as Bruxy was
  • 00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:19.060
  • explaining, I mean, we've got
  • 00:48:19.060 --> 00:48:20.120
  • this new covenant and the new
  • 00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.140
  • covenant brings all kinds of
  • 00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:23.200
  • new thoughts with it.
  • 00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:26.190
  • But I had sort of tried to have
  • 00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:27.220
  • this marriage of the old and the
  • 00:48:27.220 --> 00:48:29.050
  • new and, you know, my God was in
  • 00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:30.240
  • a swivel chair.
  • 00:48:30.240 --> 00:48:31.280
  • I mean, he was in a barber shop
  • 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.150
  • chair and his face was toward me
  • 00:48:33.150 --> 00:48:35.020
  • when I was obedient and when I
  • 00:48:35.020 --> 00:48:36.080
  • blew it, he would swivel right
  • 00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:38.110
  • around and turn his back on me.
  • 00:48:38.110 --> 00:48:40.160
  • At least, that's the God of my
  • 00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:42.200
  • imagination.
  • 00:48:42.200 --> 00:48:43.150
  • - Leon: Right.
  • 00:48:43.150 --> 00:48:44.070
  • - Andrew: And so what I
  • 00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:45.000
  • discovered through the new
  • 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:45.240
  • covenant is that his face is
  • 00:48:45.240 --> 00:48:46.280
  • always toward me.
  • 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.110
  • That even when I am faithless,
  • 00:48:48.110 --> 00:48:50.080
  • he remains faithful.
  • 00:48:50.080 --> 00:48:52.010
  • And that's an incredible gospel
  • 00:48:52.010 --> 00:48:53.260
  • that makes us just say, "Wow,"
  • 00:48:53.260 --> 00:48:56.040
  • and then, "Thank you."
  • 00:48:56.040 --> 00:48:57.020
  • - Leon: Now, we're gonna unpack
  • 00:48:57.020 --> 00:48:57.290
  • some of this stuff 'cause I
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:49:00.070
  • think this is a huge key to so
  • 00:49:00.070 --> 00:49:02.180
  • many people out there.
  • 00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:04.060
  • But the very first question
  • 00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.270
  • you're gonna get and I know,
  • 00:49:05.270 --> 00:49:06.230
  • because you're on radio, you do
  • 00:49:06.230 --> 00:49:07.220
  • Q&A all the time, and so do you
  • 00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:08.200
  • right in your church, is how are
  • 00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:09.170
  • we gonna stop sin if we don't
  • 00:49:11.150 --> 00:49:14.150
  • let them know that God turns and
  • 00:49:14.150 --> 00:49:16.050
  • he is displeased?
  • 00:49:16.050 --> 00:49:17.280
  • We're gonna have this crazy
  • 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.190
  • sinning everywhere.
  • 00:49:19.190 --> 00:49:20.280
  • What's your answer to that?
  • 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.220
  • - Andrew: Well, I mean, Titus
  • 00:49:21.220 --> 00:49:22.230
  • gives us a great answer.
  • 00:49:22.230 --> 00:49:24.100
  • It says the grace of God brings
  • 00:49:24.100 --> 00:49:26.040
  • salvation and, of course, we
  • 00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:27.270
  • check that box and say, "Yeah,
  • 00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:29.120
  • I've got that straight.
  • 00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:30.170
  • That's my theology 101."
  • 00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:32.040
  • But the verse continues.
  • 00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:33.140
  • It says it brings salvation and
  • 00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:35.150
  • then it says the grace of God
  • 00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:37.050
  • teaches us to say no to sin and
  • 00:49:37.050 --> 00:49:40.030
  • to live a godly life.
  • 00:49:40.030 --> 00:49:42.000
  • So, you know, there's a lot of
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.230
  • stones being thrown at grace
  • 00:49:43.230 --> 00:49:45.240
  • right now.
  • 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:46.230
  • "Oh, that's cheap grace, that's
  • 00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:48.020
  • hyper grace, that's too much
  • 00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:49.100
  • grace.
  • 00:49:49.100 --> 00:49:50.180
  • You need to tone down that
  • 00:49:50.180 --> 00:49:51.220
  • grace, balance that grace."
  • 00:49:51.220 --> 00:49:53.190
  • What they don't realize is
  • 00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.030
  • they're saying, "Let's tone down
  • 00:49:55.030 --> 00:49:56.020
  • godliness.
  • 00:49:56.020 --> 00:49:57.200
  • Let's balance godliness with
  • 00:49:57.200 --> 00:49:59.070
  • something else."
  • 00:49:59.070 --> 00:50:00.200
  • We need to realize that grace is
  • 00:50:00.200 --> 00:50:02.100
  • the doorway to godliness.
  • 00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:04.160
  • There's no conflict there.
  • 00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:06.050
  • It--by grace we were saved and
  • 00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:08.070
  • by grace we grow in Christ.
  • 00:50:08.070 --> 00:50:09.270
  • It's not two methods.
  • 00:50:09.270 --> 00:50:11.200
  • You don't start one way and
  • 00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:13.030
  • finish another way.
  • 00:50:13.030 --> 00:50:14.130
  • I mean, the gospel says just as
  • 00:50:14.130 --> 00:50:16.030
  • you received him, so walk in
  • 00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:18.050
  • him.
  • 00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:18.240
  • - Leon: Yeah.
  • 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:19.290
  • You know, that's so--and what's
  • 00:50:19.290 --> 00:50:20.260
  • unique is that when you read
  • 00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:22.050
  • your books, you're both saying
  • 00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.050
  • the same things but in a
  • 00:50:24.050 --> 00:50:25.270
  • uniquely different way.
  • 00:50:25.270 --> 00:50:28.050
  • And that's how amazing God is.
  • 00:50:28.050 --> 00:50:29.290
  • Like, when I look at grace, a
  • 00:50:29.290 --> 00:50:31.060
  • lot of people, "Leo, how--" I
  • 00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:32.270
  • would just say, "Grace is
  • 00:50:32.270 --> 00:50:34.060
  • God's ability."
  • 00:50:34.060 --> 00:50:35.090
  • It's coming to me in undeserved
  • 00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:37.250
  • favor so when I understand
  • 00:50:37.250 --> 00:50:40.080
  • the cross and what he did for me
  • 00:50:40.080 --> 00:50:42.200
  • then he gives me the ability to
  • 00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:44.110
  • live strong and free from sin.
  • 00:50:44.110 --> 00:50:46.050
  • And there's just--it's just
  • 00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:47.180
  • beautiful how that different
  • 00:50:47.180 --> 00:50:49.040
  • people are unpacking it and
  • 00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:50.190
  • they're using the Word to do it.
  • 00:50:50.190 --> 00:50:52.170
  • - Andrew: Yeah.
  • 00:50:52.170 --> 00:50:53.090
  • - Leon: Now, Bruxy,
  • 00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:54.230
  • your church.
  • 00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:56.120
  • I mean, you guys are in a ton of
  • 00:50:56.120 --> 00:50:57.040
  • locations, all cross Toronto.
  • 00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:59.210
  • It's a great church and people
  • 00:50:59.210 --> 00:51:01.060
  • are just attracted and coming.
  • 00:51:01.060 --> 00:51:03.280
  • Why do you think that is?
  • 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.220
  • because it's certainly not
  • 00:51:08.150 --> 00:51:09.130
  • my snappy wardrobe.
  • 00:51:09.130 --> 00:51:11.090
  • There is something
  • 00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:14.140
  • about this message of embrace,
  • 00:51:14.140 --> 00:51:17.110
  • the prodigal son story, which is
  • 00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:19.000
  • interesting 'cause Jesus never
  • 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.270
  • uses the word grace.
  • 00:51:19.270 --> 00:51:21.040
  • Isn't it fascinating?
  • 00:51:21.040 --> 00:51:22.060
  • He doesn't use the word grace.
  • 00:51:22.060 --> 00:51:23.080
  • He just lives grace over and
  • 00:51:23.080 --> 00:51:26.060
  • over again.
  • 00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:26.290
  • And he teaches grace in the
  • 00:51:26.290 --> 00:51:28.170
  • stories and to have a place that
  • 00:51:28.170 --> 00:51:30.130
  • over and over again, that shows
  • 00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:35.060
  • the father's heart, that makes
  • 00:51:35.060 --> 00:51:36.240
  • safe space to come home.
  • 00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:38.250
  • And it just took a little bit of
  • 00:51:38.250 --> 00:51:40.040
  • faith for the prodigal son.
  • 00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:41.150
  • The prodigal son didn't have his
  • 00:51:41.150 --> 00:51:42.150
  • theology all worked out.
  • 00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:43.230
  • He said, "Maybe I'll go home and
  • 00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:44.240
  • become a servant of my father."
  • 00:51:44.240 --> 00:51:46.270
  • Not a son.
  • 00:51:46.270 --> 00:51:47.250
  • He didn't foresee how much grace
  • 00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:49.140
  • was actually there.
  • 00:51:49.140 --> 00:51:50.110
  • It was just enough to say, "I'll
  • 00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:52.060
  • take a risk.
  • 00:51:52.060 --> 00:51:53.100
  • I'll take a step in that
  • 00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:54.080
  • direction."
  • 00:51:54.080 --> 00:51:55.010
  • And if we can create a safe
  • 00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:56.200
  • place for spiritual seekers to
  • 00:51:56.200 --> 00:51:58.040
  • come and ask questions, you
  • 00:51:58.040 --> 00:51:59.190
  • know, we go through all of life
  • 00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:00.190
  • asking questions in school,
  • 00:52:00.190 --> 00:52:02.050
  • asking questions at home.
  • 00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:03.240
  • And then we get to church and
  • 00:52:03.240 --> 00:52:05.080
  • there can be this implied sense
  • 00:52:05.080 --> 00:52:07.010
  • of "Shut up and listen.
  • 00:52:07.010 --> 00:52:09.000
  • We have all the answers.
  • 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.260
  • Don't trouble us with your
  • 00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:10.250
  • questions."
  • 00:52:10.250 --> 00:52:11.260
  • So we can create a safe place
  • 00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:12.270
  • for people to come with all
  • 00:52:12.270 --> 00:52:13.250
  • their questions.
  • 00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:14.150
  • And when people bring questions,
  • 00:52:14.150 --> 00:52:15.230
  • it--that's part of my
  • 00:52:15.230 --> 00:52:17.100
  • discipleship.
  • 00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:18.080
  • It challenges me to grow.
  • 00:52:18.080 --> 00:52:19.070
  • I'm really grateful for the
  • 00:52:19.070 --> 00:52:20.210
  • skeptics and the seekers who
  • 00:52:20.210 --> 00:52:21.220
  • come with questions.
  • 00:52:21.220 --> 00:52:23.010
  • And if I don't have an answer I
  • 00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:24.010
  • can say, "I do not know but
  • 00:52:24.010 --> 00:52:25.200
  • thank you for that question
  • 00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:26.190
  • 'cause now I'm gonna go and
  • 00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:27.220
  • study more this week.
  • 00:52:27.220 --> 00:52:28.280
  • And I'm gonna--you're motivating
  • 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.180
  • me to grow spiritually this
  • 00:52:30.180 --> 00:52:31.160
  • week."
  • 00:52:31.160 --> 00:52:32.080
  • And so we can create that place.
  • 00:52:32.080 --> 00:52:33.030
  • It does seem that there's a lot
  • 00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:34.010
  • of people out there that are
  • 00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:35.050
  • looking for that place where
  • 00:52:35.050 --> 00:52:36.070
  • they can come and say, "All
  • 00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:37.060
  • right, I'm ready to begin to
  • 00:52:37.060 --> 00:52:38.060
  • learn.
  • 00:52:38.060 --> 00:52:39.000
  • I'm ready to just kind of dip my
  • 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.220
  • toe back in the water and to
  • 00:52:39.220 --> 00:52:41.000
  • find out if the father in this
  • 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:44.030
  • story is really as gracious as
  • 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.040
  • you say he is."
  • 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:46.180
  • - Leon: You know, I was sitting
  • 00:52:46.180 --> 00:52:48.090
  • beside a man and we got to
  • 00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:49.230
  • talking until he found out that
  • 00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:52.000
  • I was a pastor.
  • 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.150
  • And then you could just see--it
  • 00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:55.020
  • was a real change for him.
  • 00:52:55.020 --> 00:52:57.030
  • And I said, "You know, just
  • 00:52:57.030 --> 00:52:58.000
  • forget that I'm a pastor for a
  • 00:52:58.010 --> 00:53:01.030
  • minute and tell me why are you
  • 00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:02.060
  • so upset about it?"
  • 00:53:02.060 --> 00:53:02.290
  • And here's what he told me.
  • 00:53:02.290 --> 00:53:03.240
  • He was a director of a huge
  • 00:53:03.240 --> 00:53:05.050
  • mental institution in Canada and
  • 00:53:05.170 --> 00:53:08.170
  • he said, "Three-quarters of the
  • 00:53:08.170 --> 00:53:10.290
  • people that are in there are in
  • 00:53:10.290 --> 00:53:12.130
  • there because of Christianity,
  • 00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:14.130
  • religion, and the guilt and the
  • 00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.000
  • shame that they suffer with.
  • 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.170
  • And then they come to us and
  • 00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.280
  • we're trying to--" I had never
  • 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.020
  • heard someone say that until he
  • 00:53:20.020 --> 00:53:22.270
  • said it.
  • 00:53:22.270 --> 00:53:23.260
  • The gospel shouldn't do that to
  • 00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:25.110
  • people.
  • 00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:26.080
  • - Andrew: No, but that's where
  • 00:53:26.080 --> 00:53:27.010
  • I was headed.
  • 00:53:27.010 --> 00:53:28.020
  • I mean, honestly, I was gonna
  • 00:53:28.020 --> 00:53:29.130
  • or I was gonna be rescued
  • 00:53:31.150 --> 00:53:32.210
  • by God's grace.
  • 00:53:32.210 --> 00:53:34.000
  • And fortunately, it was God's
  • 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.120
  • grace that rescued me.
  • 00:53:35.120 --> 00:53:36.290
  • And I came to realize some
  • 00:53:36.290 --> 00:53:38.140
  • radical things.
  • 00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:40.060
  • I mean, you know, first and
  • 00:53:40.060 --> 00:53:41.080
  • foremost, we tend to think that
  • 00:53:41.080 --> 00:53:43.090
  • our sins are so big, and the
  • 00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:46.010
  • Bible was written by murderers.
  • 00:53:46.010 --> 00:53:48.200
  • I mean, just think about it.
  • 00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:50.110
  • Just think about it for
  • 00:53:50.110 --> 00:53:51.170
  • a minute.
  • 00:53:51.170 --> 00:53:52.100
  • in rage.
  • 00:53:54.180 --> 00:53:55.190
  • He wrote a lot of
  • 00:53:55.190 --> 00:53:56.160
  • the Old Testament.
  • 00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:57.160
  • David.
  • 00:53:57.160 --> 00:53:58.290
  • David put a guy on the front
  • 00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:01.090
  • lines of his army so that that
  • 00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:03.040
  • guy would die so that he could
  • 00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:04.190
  • take that guy's wife.
  • 00:54:04.190 --> 00:54:06.030
  • Now, that's not nice.
  • 00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:07.160
  • - Leon: That's not nice.
  • 00:54:07.160 --> 00:54:08.140
  • - Andrew: And then Paul.
  • 00:54:08.140 --> 00:54:10.270
  • Paul stood by and gave hearty
  • 00:54:10.270 --> 00:54:12.240
  • approval at the stoning of
  • 00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:14.260
  • Stephen and was known for
  • 00:54:14.260 --> 00:54:15.280
  • killing Christians.
  • 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.010
  • Now, who have you killed lately?
  • 00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.160
  • I mean, how big are your sins
  • 00:54:19.160 --> 00:54:20.160
  • again?
  • 00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:21.150
  • Maybe our sins are small and our
  • 00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:23.120
  • God is big and he has qualified
  • 00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:25.180
  • us.
  • 00:54:25.180 --> 00:54:26.280
  • And that's what grace is.
  • 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.170
  • Grace is not being infatuated
  • 00:54:28.170 --> 00:54:30.240
  • with the size of your sins, it's
  • 00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:33.030
  • being obsessed with the size of
  • 00:54:33.030 --> 00:54:34.260
  • your Savior.
  • 00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:35.240
  • - Leon: Wow!
  • 00:54:35.240 --> 00:54:36.150
  • So well said.
  • 00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:38.120
  • So well said.
  • 00:54:38.120 --> 00:54:40.130
  • Now, Bruxy, you talk a lot in
  • 00:54:40.220 --> 00:54:43.220
  • the book about religion and how
  • 00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:45.290
  • that when people discover God or
  • 00:54:45.290 --> 00:54:48.160
  • maybe they don't even get to
  • 00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:49.140
  • know Christ but that how
  • 00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:51.250
  • destructive religion is and
  • 00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:53.240
  • that--and you make this comment,
  • 00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:54.270
  • "Jesus came to end all
  • 00:54:54.270 --> 00:54:56.060
  • religions."
  • 00:54:56.060 --> 00:54:58.020
  • Explain that to me.
  • 00:54:58.020 --> 00:54:59.000
  • - Bruxy: Well, you know, it's
  • 00:54:59.000 --> 00:54:59.260
  • interesting.
  • 00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:00.170
  • The apostle Paul says that the
  • 00:55:00.170 --> 00:55:01.140
  • system of salvations and rules,
  • 00:55:01.140 --> 00:55:03.090
  • rituals, routines, that helped
  • 00:55:03.090 --> 00:55:05.290
  • guide people on a path was for
  • 00:55:05.290 --> 00:55:07.290
  • a season of time.
  • 00:55:07.290 --> 00:55:09.200
  • While we were young, he says,
  • 00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:12.070
  • like little children we needed
  • 00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:13.100
  • a nanny is the Greek word for
  • 00:55:13.100 --> 00:55:15.030
  • someone who would come along and
  • 00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:16.140
  • work with a little kid while
  • 00:55:16.140 --> 00:55:17.120
  • they're young.
  • 00:55:17.120 --> 00:55:18.070
  • But the goal of every parent is
  • 00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.000
  • for their kids to grow up.
  • 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:21.240
  • And so it's good to have nannies
  • 00:55:21.240 --> 00:55:23.080
  • and, you know when your kids
  • 00:55:23.080 --> 00:55:24.090
  • were young, Leon, you have
  • 00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:24.280
  • rituals.
  • 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.120
  • Kids need rituals.
  • 00:55:26.120 --> 00:55:27.160
  • You have routines.
  • 00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:28.150
  • Kid needs routine.
  • 00:55:28.150 --> 00:55:29.160
  • They need rules.
  • 00:55:29.160 --> 00:55:30.290
  • And yet, your goal is not--and
  • 00:55:30.290 --> 00:55:33.000
  • say, your daughter--are they in
  • 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.050
  • their 20s now, are they--
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  • - Leon: Yeah.
  • 00:55:35.220 --> 00:55:36.160
  • - Bruxy: All right, so if
  • 00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:37.060
  • they're to call you from
  • 00:55:37.060 --> 00:55:37.290
  • university and say, "Dad, do I
  • 00:55:37.290 --> 00:55:40.150
  • have to eat all my peas tonight
  • 00:55:40.150 --> 00:55:42.140
  • because--" or "Dad, can I--do I
  • 00:55:42.140 --> 00:55:44.250
  • have to wear a coat when I go
  • 00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:45.250
  • outside tonight?"
  • 00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:46.130
  • Or "Dad, can I stay up 'til 10
  • 00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:48.030
  • o'clock instead of--" You don't
  • 00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.130
  • say, "Yes, my kids are keeping
  • 00:55:49.130 --> 00:55:50.290
  • the rules I taught them when
  • 00:55:50.290 --> 00:55:51.270
  • they were younger."
  • 00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:52.270
  • You say, "Oh, dear, my kids have
  • 00:55:52.270 --> 00:55:54.200
  • not grown up."
  • 00:55:54.200 --> 00:55:55.230
  • The goal of a parent is to give
  • 00:55:55.230 --> 00:55:57.080
  • rules while you're young so that
  • 00:55:57.080 --> 00:55:59.010
  • internalization can happen
  • 00:55:59.010 --> 00:56:01.150
  • so the principles behind the
  • 00:56:01.150 --> 00:56:03.130
  • precept, the reason behind the
  • 00:56:03.130 --> 00:56:04.270
  • rules, the love behind the law,
  • 00:56:04.270 --> 00:56:07.090
  • is what lasts into our
  • 00:56:07.090 --> 00:56:08.290
  • adulthood.
  • 00:56:08.290 --> 00:56:09.250
  • And then we start to make wise
  • 00:56:09.250 --> 00:56:11.020
  • decisions that reflect the heart
  • 00:56:11.020 --> 00:56:13.110
  • of our father.
  • 00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:14.210
  • And that leads us out of a
  • 00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:16.230
  • season of rules and rituals,
  • 00:56:16.230 --> 00:56:19.100
  • into a season of wise
  • 00:56:19.100 --> 00:56:21.160
  • hand-in-hand, heart-in-heart
  • 00:56:21.160 --> 00:56:23.290
  • relationship with our heavenly
  • 00:56:23.290 --> 00:56:25.090
  • Father, making decisions
  • 00:56:25.090 --> 00:56:27.080
  • together, guided by his Spirit
  • 00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:28.210
  • with the example of Christ
  • 00:56:28.210 --> 00:56:30.010
  • before us, which is a whole new
  • 00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:31.180
  • beautiful way of living.
  • 00:56:31.180 --> 00:56:33.260
  • - Leon: So define religion for
  • 00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.210
  • me then.
  • 00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:37.210
  • I'd like both of you to do that.
  • 00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:38.180
  • You start.
  • 00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:39.070
  • Define religion.
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  • - Bruxy: Sure.
  • 00:56:40.020 --> 00:56:40.180
  • Well, certainly, people use it
  • 00:56:40.180 --> 00:56:41.090
  • in different ways.
  • 00:56:41.090 --> 00:56:42.070
  • Some people use the word
  • 00:56:42.070 --> 00:56:43.070
  • religion, maybe some of you do
  • 00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:44.080
  • use the word religion positively
  • 00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:45.220
  • to mean a faith relationship
  • 00:56:45.220 --> 00:56:47.110
  • with Jesus.
  • 00:56:47.110 --> 00:56:48.070
  • So if someone says to me, "I'm a
  • 00:56:48.070 --> 00:56:49.130
  • very religious person," I don't
  • 00:56:49.130 --> 00:56:50.220
  • immediately say, "Don't you know
  • 00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:52.040
  • I wrote a book called 'The End
  • 00:56:52.040 --> 00:56:52.280
  • of Religion'?
  • 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:53.180
  • That's a terrible thing."
  • 00:56:53.180 --> 00:56:54.110
  • I wanna listen to them for
  • 00:56:54.110 --> 00:56:55.210
  • the--and it only takes about 30
  • 00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:56.200
  • seconds in a conversation to see
  • 00:56:56.200 --> 00:56:58.080
  • how they're using the word.
  • 00:56:58.080 --> 00:56:59.120
  • And they might be using the word
  • 00:56:59.120 --> 00:57:00.090
  • to talk about their love
  • 00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:01.150
  • relationship with God.
  • 00:57:01.150 --> 00:57:03.110
  • Many words can function that
  • 00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:05.160
  • way, like the trunk of a tree or
  • 00:57:05.160 --> 00:57:07.100
  • the trunk of an elephant or
  • 00:57:07.100 --> 00:57:08.080
  • what--a big box you put your
  • 00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:09.090
  • clothes in, all trunk.
  • 00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:10.140
  • Religion gets used that way by
  • 00:57:10.140 --> 00:57:11.280
  • some people.
  • 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.040
  • But it gets used by many people
  • 00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:14.270
  • to refer to exactly that early
  • 00:57:14.270 --> 00:57:16.270
  • stage of spiritual development
  • 00:57:16.270 --> 00:57:19.210
  • that is rule-based, that is
  • 00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:22.000
  • law-based, and necessarily so
  • 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.050
  • for that season.
  • 00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:25.290
  • The word it comes from in the
  • 00:57:25.290 --> 00:57:28.090
  • Latin, religare, means to tie up
  • 00:57:28.090 --> 00:57:29.260
  • or to bind.
  • 00:57:29.260 --> 00:57:31.260
  • So you could use that positively
  • 00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:33.060
  • to say, "I am fastening myself
  • 00:57:33.060 --> 00:57:34.290
  • to God."
  • 00:57:34.290 --> 00:57:35.260
  • But you could use it negatively
  • 00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:37.080
  • to say, "I have been put in
  • 00:57:37.080 --> 00:57:39.200
  • bondage."
  • 00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:41.050
  • And so if--I'd say religion in
  • 00:57:41.160 --> 00:57:44.160
  • its negative sense is when
  • 00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:46.010
  • someone claims to be following
  • 00:57:46.010 --> 00:57:48.120
  • Jesus but is still trying to
  • 00:57:48.120 --> 00:57:49.170
  • live in the old covenant.
  • 00:57:49.170 --> 00:57:51.010
  • And then they're still in
  • 00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:52.190
  • bondage while they're claiming
  • 00:57:52.190 --> 00:57:53.200
  • the freedom of Christ.
  • 00:57:53.200 --> 00:57:54.200
  • They become a walking
  • 00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:55.140
  • contradiction.
  • 00:57:55.140 --> 00:57:56.240
  • And that will lead to a lot of
  • 00:57:56.240 --> 00:57:59.090
  • damage.
  • 00:57:59.090 --> 00:58:00.080
  • - Leon: Is that why you called
  • 00:58:00.080 --> 00:58:01.130
  • your book, "The Naked Gospel,"
  • 00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:03.230
  • because men keep adding rules to
  • 00:58:03.230 --> 00:58:05.040
  • it?
  • 00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:05.280
  • - Andrew: Yeah, I mean, we've
  • 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:06.240
  • gotta undress this thing and go
  • 00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:08.140
  • back 2.000 years ago and see
  • 00:58:08.140 --> 00:58:10.250
  • what the early church was so
  • 00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:11.250
  • crazy about.
  • 00:58:11.250 --> 00:58:13.230
  • I mean, they were willing to be
  • 00:58:13.230 --> 00:58:14.260
  • stoned, you know, sawn in two,
  • 00:58:15.160 --> 00:58:18.160
  • taken from their families,
  • 00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:19.240
  • crucified upside down.
  • 00:58:19.240 --> 00:58:21.190
  • Something--there was a passion
  • 00:58:21.190 --> 00:58:23.050
  • there about a message that I'm
  • 00:58:23.050 --> 00:58:25.110
  • afraid we've covered up and so
  • 00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.100
  • "The Naked Gospel" is about
  • 00:58:27.100 --> 00:58:28.120
  • getting back to that core
  • 00:58:28.120 --> 00:58:29.240
  • message.
  • 00:58:29.240 --> 00:58:30.150
  • And I would say that religion,
  • 00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:32.110
  • you know, the bad kind of
  • 00:58:32.110 --> 00:58:33.210
  • religion that we're talking
  • 00:58:33.210 --> 00:58:34.170
  • about here is basically chasing
  • 00:58:34.170 --> 00:58:36.180
  • after what you've already got in
  • 00:58:36.180 --> 00:58:38.210
  • Christ.
  • 00:58:38.210 --> 00:58:39.290
  • And so, you know, like, for
  • 00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:43.090
  • example, religion comes knocking
  • 00:58:43.090 --> 00:58:44.170
  • at your door and, if you let it
  • 00:58:44.170 --> 00:58:46.020
  • in, it says you need more
  • 00:58:46.020 --> 00:58:48.030
  • forgiveness.
  • 00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:49.050
  • So Christians have bought into
  • 00:58:49.050 --> 00:58:50.090
  • this idea that I need to beg and
  • 00:58:50.090 --> 00:58:52.090
  • plead and wait and hope to get
  • 00:58:52.090 --> 00:58:53.290
  • more forgiveness but Jesus said,
  • 00:58:53.290 --> 00:58:55.250
  • "It's finished."
  • 00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:57.010
  • Like, right now, we're seated in
  • 00:58:57.010 --> 00:58:58.170
  • chairs.
  • 00:58:58.170 --> 00:58:59.280
  • But this chair right here, I
  • 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.100
  • mean, it was a forbidden piece
  • 00:59:01.100 --> 00:59:03.050
  • of furniture in the tabernacle,
  • 00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:04.210
  • in the temple.
  • 00:59:04.210 --> 00:59:05.170
  • The priest was not allowed to
  • 00:59:05.170 --> 00:59:06.240
  • sit down on the job.
  • 00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.160
  • Now, why?
  • 00:59:08.160 --> 00:59:09.110
  • Well, I mean, imagine you go in
  • 00:59:09.110 --> 00:59:10.190
  • and see your high priest kicked
  • 00:59:10.190 --> 00:59:12.140
  • back in a La-Z-Boy chair and he
  • 00:59:12.140 --> 00:59:14.040
  • says, "What's up?"
  • 00:59:14.040 --> 00:59:15.190
  • I mean, that would communicate
  • 00:59:15.190 --> 00:59:17.060
  • to you that this guy has no work
  • 00:59:17.060 --> 00:59:19.030
  • left.
  • 00:59:19.030 --> 00:59:20.000
  • But Jesus wouldn't allow that in
  • 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.010
  • the Old Testament so that when
  • 00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:23.240
  • he finally, after the cross,
  • 00:59:23.240 --> 00:59:25.170
  • when it says, "He sat down at
  • 00:59:25.170 --> 00:59:27.170
  • the right hand of God," that
  • 00:59:27.170 --> 00:59:29.030
  • meant that for the first time in
  • 00:59:29.030 --> 00:59:30.200
  • human history, the forgiveness
  • 00:59:30.200 --> 00:59:32.270
  • issue had been settled.
  • 00:59:32.270 --> 00:59:34.190
  • So our forgiveness is not year
  • 00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:37.160
  • after year, or day after day, or
  • 00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:39.020
  • sin after sin in some neurotic
  • 00:59:39.020 --> 00:59:41.130
  • fashion as we wait for a feeling
  • 00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:43.050
  • of being forgiven.
  • 00:59:43.050 --> 00:59:44.180
  • Our forgiveness is once for all,
  • 00:59:44.180 --> 00:59:47.020
  • the Book of Hebrews says.
  • 00:59:47.020 --> 00:59:48.180
  • And God is essentially saying,
  • 00:59:48.180 --> 00:59:49.280
  • "My Son sat down.
  • 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.280
  • Will you sit with him and agree
  • 00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.190
  • that it's finished?"
  • 00:59:53.190 --> 00:59:55.130
  • - Leon: Is it hard for--yeah,
  • 00:59:55.130 --> 00:59:57.100
  • that's awesome, amen.
  • 00:59:57.100 --> 01:00:00.100
  • So when you look at sin, even
  • 01:00:00.230 --> 01:00:03.230
  • before--so are you saying that
  • 01:00:03.230 --> 01:00:05.010
  • even before you were born, Jesus
  • 01:00:05.010 --> 01:00:06.270
  • had died 2.000 years ago and
  • 01:00:06.270 --> 01:00:09.170
  • you're not that old, so he had
  • 01:00:09.170 --> 01:00:10.250
  • died for every sin, period.
  • 01:00:10.250 --> 01:00:13.220
  • And you were forgiven even
  • 01:00:13.220 --> 01:00:14.210
  • before you were born?
  • 01:00:14.210 --> 01:00:15.150
  • - Andrew: Yeah, I'm saying that
  • 01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:16.070
  • there was a time in my life when
  • 01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:17.170
  • I came to faith in Jesus Christ
  • 01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:19.180
  • and what I received was not
  • 01:00:19.180 --> 01:00:21.110
  • partial forgiveness or past
  • 01:00:21.110 --> 01:00:23.200
  • forgiveness only.
  • 01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:25.010
  • That all of my sins were in the
  • 01:00:25.010 --> 01:00:27.220
  • future when Christ died.
  • 01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:29.090
  • Think about it.
  • 01:00:29.090 --> 01:00:30.110
  • Your past sins were in the
  • 01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:31.150
  • future when Christ died, your
  • 01:00:31.150 --> 01:00:32.260
  • present sins.
  • 01:00:32.260 --> 01:00:34.140
  • Now, what about tomorrow's sins?
  • 01:00:34.140 --> 01:00:36.080
  • Tomorrow's sins were also in the
  • 01:00:36.080 --> 01:00:37.290
  • future when Christ died.
  • 01:00:37.290 --> 01:00:40.000
  • So God looked down the timeline
  • 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.000
  • of human history and he says,
  • 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.070
  • "Your sins and lawless acts I
  • 01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:46.060
  • remember no more."
  • 01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:48.010
  • So when I received Jesus Christ,
  • 01:00:48.010 --> 01:00:49.180
  • in him I have total forgiveness,
  • 01:00:49.180 --> 01:00:52.160
  • not partial forgiveness.
  • 01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:54.140
  • It's not apology-based
  • 01:00:54.140 --> 01:00:57.030
  • forgiveness.
  • 01:00:57.030 --> 01:00:58.000
  • It's blood-based forgiveness.
  • 01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.240
  • And you know, unfortunately
  • 01:00:59.240 --> 01:01:02.100
  • though, Leon, I'll tell you that
  • 01:01:02.100 --> 01:01:04.220
  • the most popular message out
  • 01:01:04.220 --> 01:01:07.200
  • there it seems like, in
  • 01:01:07.200 --> 01:01:08.280
  • forgiven of all my sins, sure,
  • 01:01:11.020 --> 01:01:12.080
  • up until salvation.
  • 01:01:12.080 --> 01:01:14.180
  • But then it's up to me to stay
  • 01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:15.290
  • forgiven and stay cleansed
  • 01:01:15.290 --> 01:01:18.020
  • after that salvation started.
  • 01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:20.040
  • - Leon: That's true.
  • 01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:20.280
  • - Andrew: So then we're saying
  • 01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.220
  • that the gospel got worse
  • 01:01:21.220 --> 01:01:23.090
  • because I got saved.
  • 01:01:23.090 --> 01:01:25.020
  • I mean, then if that were true,
  • 01:01:25.020 --> 01:01:26.220
  • the best method would be for me
  • 01:01:26.220 --> 01:01:28.170
  • to wait and get saved on my
  • 01:01:28.170 --> 01:01:29.270
  • death bed so that I have few
  • 01:01:29.270 --> 01:01:31.220
  • sins to manage before I meet
  • 01:01:31.220 --> 01:01:33.020
  • And we've gotta get ourselves
  • 01:01:35.040 --> 01:01:36.180
  • out of the equation.
  • 01:01:36.180 --> 01:01:37.230
  • I mean, it's not--it's healthy
  • 01:01:37.230 --> 01:01:39.170
  • to be sorry, it's healthy to
  • 01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:41.100
  • regret sin, it's healthy to
  • 01:01:41.100 --> 01:01:43.110
  • turn--
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  • - Leon: So we should do that?
  • 01:01:44.050 --> 01:01:44.260
  • - Andrew: Absolute--I mean,
  • 01:01:44.260 --> 01:01:45.160
  • people freak out.
  • 01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:47.000
  • They say, "You're telling me I
  • 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.140
  • don't have to beg and plead and
  • 01:01:48.140 --> 01:01:50.080
  • wait for God to forgive me so
  • 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:51.290
  • what should I do when I sin?"
  • 01:01:51.290 --> 01:01:54.070
  • Well, here's a crazy idea.
  • 01:01:54.070 --> 01:01:55.270
  • Stop.
  • 01:01:55.270 --> 01:01:57.120
  • I mean, turn from it.
  • 01:01:57.120 --> 01:01:59.180
  • But stopping and turning from it
  • 01:01:59.180 --> 01:02:02.130
  • is different than waiting on God
  • 01:02:02.140 --> 01:02:05.140
  • to swoop down out of heaven and
  • 01:02:05.140 --> 01:02:07.040
  • polish me off again with a new
  • 01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:09.130
  • portion of forgiveness.
  • 01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:11.000
  • See, that's Judaism.
  • 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.160
  • That's the old covenant.
  • 01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:13.220
  • That's the blood of bulls and
  • 01:02:13.220 --> 01:02:14.260
  • goats.
  • 01:02:14.260 --> 01:02:15.220
  • Jesus took our sins away once
  • 01:02:15.220 --> 01:02:17.120
  • for all and that makes all the
  • 01:02:17.120 --> 01:02:19.090
  • difference.
  • 01:02:19.090 --> 01:02:20.040
  • - Leon: Wow.
  • 01:02:20.040 --> 01:02:21.000
  • Now, Bruxy, when you look at sin
  • 01:02:21.190 --> 01:02:24.190
  • clap for you.
  • 01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:27.090
  • When you look at sin, like,
  • 01:02:27.090 --> 01:02:28.240
  • we're all thinking right now,
  • 01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:30.110
  • "That's giving everyone a
  • 01:02:30.110 --> 01:02:31.200
  • license to sin.
  • 01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:32.180
  • You can go out and kill, you can
  • 01:02:32.180 --> 01:02:33.120
  • mess around."
  • 01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:34.110
  • But now, Jesus took the word sin
  • 01:02:34.130 --> 01:02:37.130
  • and he ramped it up so high
  • 01:02:37.130 --> 01:02:39.030
  • nobody could possibly do it
  • 01:02:39.030 --> 01:02:41.050
  • without his help 'cause he said,
  • 01:02:41.050 --> 01:02:42.180
  • "Whatever's not of faith is sin.
  • 01:02:42.180 --> 01:02:45.160
  • If you know to do good and you
  • 01:02:45.160 --> 01:02:46.110
  • don't do it, it's sin."
  • 01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:48.080
  • It used to be if you murdered
  • 01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:49.020
  • somebody, that was sin.
  • 01:02:49.020 --> 01:02:50.050
  • Now, it's kind of like, if
  • 01:02:50.050 --> 01:02:51.180
  • you're thinking it, it's sin.
  • 01:02:51.180 --> 01:02:53.220
  • Like, talk to me about that.
  • 01:02:53.220 --> 01:02:54.120
  • - Bruxy: Well, he makes it an
  • 01:02:54.120 --> 01:02:55.080
  • internal issue and then he
  • 01:02:55.080 --> 01:02:56.240
  • hang out inside us to help us
  • 01:02:59.030 --> 01:03:00.240
  • live the new covenant life.
  • 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:02.240
  • So it's not a matter of saying,
  • 01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:03.270
  • leave a vacuum and we'll see how
  • 01:03:05.070 --> 01:03:06.210
  • you do."
  • 01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:07.240
  • It's, "I will give you something
  • 01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:09.020
  • better than the law.
  • 01:03:09.020 --> 01:03:10.050
  • It will be my own love."
  • 01:03:10.050 --> 01:03:12.050
  • And when he offers to come
  • 01:03:12.050 --> 01:03:13.270
  • inside us, I mean, that's a
  • 01:03:13.270 --> 01:03:14.280
  • fascinating question, is where
  • 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.120
  • is Jesus right now?
  • 01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:18.120
  • Where is Jesus right now?
  • 01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:20.040
  • Well, he's sitting at the right
  • 01:03:20.040 --> 01:03:21.160
  • hand of the Father.
  • 01:03:21.160 --> 01:03:22.120
  • His work is finished.
  • 01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:23.190
  • Yet, he said his last words at
  • 01:03:23.190 --> 01:03:25.140
  • the end of the Great Commission
  • 01:03:25.140 --> 01:03:27.060
  • was, "I will be with you always,
  • 01:03:27.060 --> 01:03:30.050
  • even to the end of the age."
  • 01:03:30.050 --> 01:03:31.220
  • He says, "I'm gonna be with you
  • 01:03:31.220 --> 01:03:33.120
  • forever," and then he leaves.
  • 01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:35.140
  • So which is it?
  • 01:03:35.140 --> 01:03:36.190
  • Is he with 'em or has he gone,
  • 01:03:36.190 --> 01:03:38.020
  • right?
  • 01:03:38.020 --> 01:03:39.110
  • And where is the Father?
  • 01:03:39.110 --> 01:03:40.010
  • Well, what we learn in John's
  • 01:03:40.010 --> 01:03:42.050
  • Gospel is that Jesus says that
  • 01:03:42.050 --> 01:03:44.040
  • "you will love the Father and
  • 01:03:44.040 --> 01:03:47.010
  • the Father will love you and as
  • 01:03:47.010 --> 01:03:48.160
  • you obey my teachings," he says,
  • 01:03:48.160 --> 01:03:49.130
  • "we will come to you."
  • 01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:51.280
  • We will come to you.
  • 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.040
  • So through the Holy Spirit
  • 01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:54.200
  • indwelling us--the Holy Spirit
  • 01:03:54.200 --> 01:03:56.140
  • really represents the mind of
  • 01:03:56.140 --> 01:03:57.230
  • Christ, the character of the
  • 01:03:57.230 --> 01:03:59.070
  • Father--that somehow, through
  • 01:03:59.070 --> 01:04:01.200
  • the Holy Spirit indwelling us,
  • 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.030
  • yes, Jesus is sitting at the
  • 01:04:03.030 --> 01:04:04.140
  • right hand of the Father but his
  • 01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:05.100
  • mind, his heart, his will,
  • 01:04:05.100 --> 01:04:06.260
  • is also present within us.
  • 01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:08.190
  • He is really guiding us
  • 01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:10.190
  • from the inside out.
  • 01:04:10.190 --> 01:04:12.280
  • So we don't say,
  • 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.200
  • "What's the rule tell me?"
  • 01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:16.100
  • We say, "What is Jesus saying to
  • 01:04:16.100 --> 01:04:17.260
  • me?"
  • 01:04:17.260 --> 01:04:18.190
  • And in that relational dynamic,
  • 01:04:18.190 --> 01:04:19.290
  • we're not left without guidance.
  • 01:04:19.290 --> 01:04:21.170
  • We're left with much better
  • 01:04:21.170 --> 01:04:22.090
  • guidance.
  • 01:04:22.090 --> 01:04:23.050
  • The guide himself is living with
  • 01:04:23.050 --> 01:04:24.240
  • us.
  • 01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:25.160
  • - Leon: That is so good.
  • 01:04:25.160 --> 01:04:27.050
  • Anything you wanna add to that?
  • 01:04:27.050 --> 01:04:28.080
  • - Andrew: Yeah, I mean, I don't
  • 01:04:29.010 --> 01:04:32.010
  • know if you need to add to it
  • 01:04:32.010 --> 01:04:32.280
  • but I just think it's the
  • 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.180
  • miracle of the gospel.
  • 01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:36.090
  • Christ in you, that's the
  • 01:04:36.090 --> 01:04:38.010
  • biggest part of this.
  • 01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:39.100
  • Like, you know, Michael Jordan,
  • 01:04:39.100 --> 01:04:41.000
  • he's--he was an incredible
  • 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:42.150
  • basketball player.
  • 01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:43.210
  • He set all kinds of records, got
  • 01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:45.210
  • all kind of Most Valuable Player
  • 01:04:45.210 --> 01:04:48.160
  • awards.
  • 01:04:48.160 --> 01:04:49.170
  • Now imagine if, by some miracle,
  • 01:04:49.170 --> 01:04:52.010
  • you were infused with the spirit
  • 01:04:52.010 --> 01:04:53.260
  • of Michael Jordan.
  • 01:04:53.260 --> 01:04:54.280
  • And then you're invited to step
  • 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.200
  • out on that court and play in
  • 01:04:56.200 --> 01:04:58.150
  • your first NBA game.
  • 01:04:58.150 --> 01:05:00.020
  • Well, at that point, you've got
  • 01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:00.290
  • a decision to make.
  • 01:05:00.290 --> 01:05:02.090
  • Are you, Leon, are you gonna
  • 01:05:02.090 --> 01:05:03.200
  • play basketball like you've
  • 01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:04.210
  • always played in the past or are
  • 01:05:04.210 --> 01:05:05.270
  • you gonna trust the spirit of
  • 01:05:05.270 --> 01:05:08.260
  • Michael Jordan to play in and
  • 01:05:08.260 --> 01:05:11.050
  • through you?
  • 01:05:11.050 --> 01:05:12.020
  • Now that's exactly what
  • 01:05:12.020 --> 01:05:13.210
  • Christianity is.
  • 01:05:13.210 --> 01:05:14.280
  • Christianity is not a ticket to
  • 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.080
  • heaven.
  • 01:05:16.080 --> 01:05:17.020
  • It's not primarily about a book
  • 01:05:17.020 --> 01:05:18.110
  • and a building we sit in for an
  • 01:05:18.110 --> 01:05:20.050
  • hour a week.
  • 01:05:20.050 --> 01:05:21.080
  • It's about us being the building
  • 01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:23.030
  • and Christ cleaning house and
  • 01:05:23.030 --> 01:05:24.290
  • moving in.
  • 01:05:24.290 --> 01:05:26.080
  • And then, you know, the
  • 01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:28.020
  • Christian life is not difficult.
  • 01:05:28.020 --> 01:05:29.250
  • It's impossible.
  • 01:05:29.250 --> 01:05:31.220
  • Only Christ can live it.
  • 01:05:31.220 --> 01:05:33.140
  • - Leon: That's so true.
  • 01:05:33.140 --> 01:05:34.080
  • - Andrew: Only Christ can live
  • 01:05:34.080 --> 01:05:36.040
  • it.
  • 01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:36.250
  • So I step out onto that court of
  • 01:05:36.250 --> 01:05:37.170
  • the Christian life and I've got
  • 01:05:37.170 --> 01:05:39.010
  • a choice.
  • 01:05:39.010 --> 01:05:39.250
  • Am I gonna try to crank out good
  • 01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:40.170
  • behavior or am I gonna let the
  • 01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:43.050
  • Spirit of Christ Jesus who lives
  • 01:05:43.050 --> 01:05:44.140
  • in me go ahead and live through
  • 01:05:44.140 --> 01:05:46.180
  • me?
  • 01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:47.170
  • Because remember, I mean, the
  • 01:05:47.170 --> 01:05:48.270
  • whole point, the whole point of
  • 01:05:48.270 --> 01:05:50.090
  • the gospel is that he gave his
  • 01:05:50.090 --> 01:05:53.010
  • life for us so that he could
  • 01:05:53.010 --> 01:05:55.000
  • give his life to us so that he
  • 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.280
  • could live his life through us.
  • 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:58.280
  • - Leon: Through us.
  • 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.090
  • Wow.
  • 01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:00.250
  • That is so well said.
  • 01:06:00.250 --> 01:06:02.010
  • So good, you guys.
  • 01:06:02.010 --> 01:06:02.280
  • You know, I do a lot of work in
  • 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.250
  • years past we would go into
  • 01:06:04.250 --> 01:06:06.070
  • prisons.
  • 01:06:06.070 --> 01:06:07.110
  • And people would send us names
  • 01:06:07.110 --> 01:06:09.060
  • and in Canada it's hard to get
  • 01:06:09.060 --> 01:06:10.240
  • in to see someone.
  • 01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:11.190
  • You've gotta be accepted
  • 01:06:11.190 --> 01:06:12.200
  • and go through all this stuff.
  • 01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:14.120
  • And so I remember meeting with
  • 01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:15.160
  • one man that his family wanted
  • 01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:16.210
  • me to talk to him.
  • 01:06:16.210 --> 01:06:17.240
  • And this guy was a mess.
  • 01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:18.250
  • He was a murderer.
  • 01:06:18.250 --> 01:06:19.210
  • I mean, you make a list, this
  • 01:06:19.210 --> 01:06:20.210
  • guy had a long track sheet.
  • 01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:22.120
  • And he came from a Christian
  • 01:06:22.120 --> 01:06:23.290
  • home.
  • 01:06:23.290 --> 01:06:24.240
  • And he was talking to me about
  • 01:06:24.240 --> 01:06:26.070
  • guilt and all these different
  • 01:06:26.070 --> 01:06:27.270
  • things and I just looked at him,
  • 01:06:27.270 --> 01:06:29.120
  • I said, "You know, you've been
  • 01:06:29.120 --> 01:06:30.170
  • forgiven the whole time you were
  • 01:06:30.170 --> 01:06:33.060
  • doing all this stuff."
  • 01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:34.230
  • He goes, "What?"
  • 01:06:34.230 --> 01:06:36.180
  • I said--he was telling me how he
  • 01:06:36.180 --> 01:06:38.170
  • would lay in the bottom of his
  • 01:06:38.170 --> 01:06:39.210
  • cell and literally just weep and
  • 01:06:39.210 --> 01:06:41.010
  • he knew that he was just no
  • 01:06:41.010 --> 01:06:43.050
  • good, that he tried and tried.
  • 01:06:43.050 --> 01:06:45.250
  • And so we end up talking about
  • 01:06:45.250 --> 01:06:47.020
  • grace.
  • 01:06:47.020 --> 01:06:48.100
  • And I basically just told him
  • 01:06:48.100 --> 01:06:49.120
  • point blank, I said, "All the
  • 01:06:49.120 --> 01:06:51.010
  • time, the years you've spent
  • 01:06:51.010 --> 01:06:52.160
  • running from him, thinking he'll
  • 01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:53.240
  • never accept you back, even
  • 01:06:53.240 --> 01:06:54.250
  • then, you were forgiven.
  • 01:06:54.250 --> 01:06:57.140
  • You just needed to reach out and
  • 01:06:57.140 --> 01:06:59.130
  • believe this."
  • 01:06:59.130 --> 01:07:01.040
  • And it just busted him up.
  • 01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:03.260
  • I'll never forget watching him
  • 01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:05.050
  • just turn to Christ and then,
  • 01:07:05.050 --> 01:07:07.130
  • even after all he'd done, only
  • 01:07:07.130 --> 01:07:09.090
  • the miracle of accepting Christ
  • 01:07:09.090 --> 01:07:11.270
  • and believing on him would have
  • 01:07:11.270 --> 01:07:13.110
  • done the miracle I watched on
  • 01:07:13.110 --> 01:07:14.150
  • him as he got rid of the shame
  • 01:07:14.150 --> 01:07:15.210
  • and the guilt.
  • 01:07:15.210 --> 01:07:17.040
  • What you guys are talking about
  • 01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:18.090
  • today is the way for the church
  • 01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:21.140
  • to reach the world.
  • 01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:23.000
  • But the more rules and religion
  • 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:24.150
  • we add to this, the more people
  • 01:07:24.150 --> 01:07:27.130
  • smartly so, probably stay away
  • 01:07:27.180 --> 01:07:30.180
  • rather than meet the Jesus we're
  • 01:07:30.180 --> 01:07:32.060
  • introducing.
  • 01:07:32.060 --> 01:07:33.140
  • - Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
  • 01:07:33.140 --> 01:07:34.130
  • You know, my grandmother, she
  • 01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:36.250
  • they say, late to her own
  • 01:07:39.050 --> 01:07:41.080
  • funeral.
  • 01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:42.180
  • She was--she didn't show up for
  • 01:07:42.180 --> 01:07:44.130
  • it.
  • 01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:45.090
  • Our family stood around the
  • 01:07:45.090 --> 01:07:46.270
  • grave and there was a hole in
  • 01:07:46.270 --> 01:07:48.050
  • the ground and no grandma to be
  • 01:07:48.050 --> 01:07:49.280
  • found.
  • 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.110
  • And--this is true story.
  • 01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:52.260
  • But her hearse driver was 2
  • 01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:55.080
  • so, you know, she didn't even
  • 01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.240
  • show up.
  • 01:07:59.240 --> 01:08:00.260
  • And I bring this up--
  • 01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:02.030
  • - Leon: That's crazy.
  • 01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:02.290
  • - Andrew: I bring it up because
  • 01:08:02.290 --> 01:08:04.070
  • not only is it a true story and
  • 01:08:04.070 --> 01:08:05.190
  • not only is it sort of
  • 01:08:05.190 --> 01:08:07.250
  • making--bringing to life that
  • 01:08:07.250 --> 01:08:09.120
  • old statement, you know, are you
  • 01:08:09.120 --> 01:08:10.280
  • late to your own funeral.
  • 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.190
  • She'd be late to her own
  • 01:08:12.190 --> 01:08:13.120
  • funeral.
  • 01:08:13.120 --> 01:08:13.280
  • Well, she literally was.
  • 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.120
  • And you know, we Christians, if
  • 01:08:15.120 --> 01:08:17.220
  • we don't watch it, we're late to
  • 01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.060
  • our own funeral.
  • 01:08:19.060 --> 01:08:20.200
  • I mean, the Bible says we're
  • 01:08:20.200 --> 01:08:21.150
  • dead to the law.
  • 01:08:21.150 --> 01:08:22.290
  • The Bible says our old self
  • 01:08:22.290 --> 01:08:24.090
  • died.
  • 01:08:24.090 --> 01:08:25.120
  • It says we're a new creation.
  • 01:08:25.120 --> 01:08:26.240
  • Romans 6 says, "Or do you not
  • 01:08:26.240 --> 01:08:28.250
  • know that all of us who were
  • 01:08:28.250 --> 01:08:31.000
  • baptized into Christ were
  • 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.270
  • baptized into his death?"
  • 01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:34.220
  • So we got a lot of Christians,
  • 01:08:34.220 --> 01:08:35.250
  • myself included, I was late to
  • 01:08:35.250 --> 01:08:37.280
  • my own funeral.
  • 01:08:37.280 --> 01:08:39.040
  • I was a Christian 10 years
  • 01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:40.290
  • before I understood what it
  • 01:08:40.290 --> 01:08:42.130
  • meant to be crucified with
  • 01:08:42.130 --> 01:08:43.240
  • Christ, buried with Christ, and
  • 01:08:43.240 --> 01:08:45.220
  • raised with Christ.
  • 01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:47.000
  • We're running around planet
  • 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:48.210
  • earth with crosses on our necks
  • 01:08:48.210 --> 01:08:50.130
  • and we know that Jesus died and
  • 01:08:50.130 --> 01:08:52.240
  • people think that the gospel is
  • 01:08:52.240 --> 01:08:54.050
  • Jesus died for your sins.
  • 01:08:54.050 --> 01:08:55.250
  • Well, that's half of the gospel.
  • 01:08:55.250 --> 01:08:57.160
  • The other half is that you died
  • 01:08:57.160 --> 01:08:59.090
  • with Jesus.
  • 01:08:59.090 --> 01:09:00.220
  • You died to the law, you died to
  • 01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:02.090
  • the power of sin.
  • 01:09:02.090 --> 01:09:04.040
  • You're a new creation.
  • 01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:05.270
  • But hey, Christian, are you like
  • 01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:07.100
  • my grandma?
  • 01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:08.200
  • Are you late to your own
  • 01:09:08.200 --> 01:09:09.190
  • funeral?
  • 01:09:09.190 --> 01:09:10.290
  • - Leon: Now, you do a lot of
  • 01:09:10.290 --> 01:09:12.050
  • radio and a lot of Q&A.
  • 01:09:12.050 --> 01:09:14.160
  • Do you get a lot of question and
  • 01:09:14.160 --> 01:09:16.170
  • answers on this topic?
  • 01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:17.250
  • - Andrew: Oh, yeah.
  • 01:09:17.250 --> 01:09:18.270
  • I mean, people--well, first of
  • 01:09:18.270 --> 01:09:20.080
  • all, the number one question I
  • 01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:21.120
  • get is, "Can I lose my
  • 01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:23.090
  • salvation?"
  • 01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:24.120
  • And that question is quickly
  • 01:09:24.120 --> 01:09:25.260
  • followed by four words, "But
  • 01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:27.080
  • what if I--" and then they come
  • 01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:29.230
  • up with a scenario, "But what if
  • 01:09:29.230 --> 01:09:31.290
  • I get a divorce?"
  • 01:09:31.290 --> 01:09:32.270
  • "But what if I commit suicide?"
  • 01:09:32.270 --> 01:09:34.060
  • "But what if I commit the same
  • 01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:35.200
  • sin over and over?"
  • 01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:38.090
  • You know, to that one I say,
  • 01:09:38.090 --> 01:09:39.080
  • "Welcome to planet earth."
  • 01:09:39.080 --> 01:09:40.110
  • I mean, James says, "We all
  • 01:09:40.110 --> 01:09:41.240
  • stumble in many ways."
  • 01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:43.060
  • But, you know, ultimately I
  • 01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:44.260
  • think what Bruxy is saying and
  • 01:09:44.260 --> 01:09:46.170
  • what I'm saying is that we get
  • 01:09:46.170 --> 01:09:48.090
  • into the spot where we become
  • 01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:49.110
  • the center of our universe.
  • 01:09:49.110 --> 01:09:50.190
  • We become the center of the
  • 01:09:50.190 --> 01:09:52.190
  • equation and we're saying,
  • 01:09:52.220 --> 01:09:55.220
  • "But what if I do this?
  • 01:09:55.220 --> 01:09:56.270
  • But what if I do this?"
  • 01:09:56.270 --> 01:09:57.280
  • We need to see that the new
  • 01:09:57.280 --> 01:09:59.000
  • covenant is not about us.
  • 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.290
  • It's actually a covenant that
  • 01:10:00.290 --> 01:10:02.290
  • God made with himself.
  • 01:10:02.290 --> 01:10:04.240
  • In the Old Testament, when God
  • 01:10:04.240 --> 01:10:06.000
  • made a covenant, Abraham fell
  • 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.050
  • asleep.
  • 01:10:07.050 --> 01:10:08.030
  • And he woke up and the covenant
  • 01:10:08.030 --> 01:10:09.290
  • was ratified.
  • 01:10:09.290 --> 01:10:11.140
  • And in the same way, the new
  • 01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:12.260
  • covenant is actually a promise
  • 01:10:12.260 --> 01:10:14.180
  • between two unchangeable people:
  • 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:17.130
  • God and God.
  • 01:10:17.130 --> 01:10:19.050
  • I'm changeable.
  • 01:10:19.050 --> 01:10:20.110
  • But thank God, I am not in the
  • 01:10:20.110 --> 01:10:22.010
  • equation.
  • 01:10:22.010 --> 01:10:23.030
  • The new covenant is a promise
  • 01:10:23.030 --> 01:10:25.050
  • between God and God and we're
  • 01:10:25.050 --> 01:10:28.010
  • not even in the equation.
  • 01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:29.240
  • We don't sustain it, we don't
  • 01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:31.030
  • maintain it.
  • 01:10:31.030 --> 01:10:31.290
  • We didn't start it.
  • 01:10:31.290 --> 01:10:32.250
  • We don't finish it.
  • 01:10:32.250 --> 01:10:34.100
  • - Leon: Man, if you wanna hear
  • 01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:35.150
  • more about this, you've gotta
  • 01:10:35.150 --> 01:10:36.180
  • get this book, "The Naked
  • 01:10:36.180 --> 01:10:37.260
  • Gospel."
  • 01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:38.200
  • Great book.
  • 01:10:38.200 --> 01:10:39.270
  • It's--now, last thought, Bruxy.
  • 01:10:39.270 --> 01:10:41.000
  • I gotta say, which is the same
  • 01:10:42.070 --> 01:10:45.070
  • with Andrew, that whenever I'm
  • 01:10:45.070 --> 01:10:46.120
  • with you, whenever I see you,
  • 01:10:46.120 --> 01:10:48.200
  • you are never worked up.
  • 01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:51.170
  • It's like there's a peace.
  • 01:10:51.170 --> 01:10:52.290
  • You're not this freaked-out,
  • 01:10:56.290 --> 01:10:58.030
  • filled-with-shame, guilt,
  • 01:10:58.030 --> 01:10:59.040
  • remorse.
  • 01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:00.160
  • Talk to me about that in the
  • 01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:01.230
  • last few minutes.
  • 01:11:01.230 --> 01:11:03.000
  • - Bruxy: Well, it's interesting
  • 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:03.240
  • 'cause both Andrew and myself
  • 01:11:03.240 --> 01:11:04.250
  • have written about this in our
  • 01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.150
  • books that Jesus promises that
  • 01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:09.180
  • his yoke is easy, his burden is
  • 01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:12.180
  • light, and that, as we follow
  • 01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:14.150
  • him, we will find rest for our
  • 01:11:14.150 --> 01:11:16.010
  • souls.
  • 01:11:16.010 --> 01:11:17.210
  • There is--now, he says a yoke.
  • 01:11:17.210 --> 01:11:19.160
  • Now, a yoke is an instrument of
  • 01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:21.110
  • accomplishment, of doing
  • 01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:23.050
  • something.
  • 01:11:23.050 --> 01:11:24.010
  • underneath you or take my couch
  • 01:11:26.090 --> 01:11:27.150
  • underneath you."
  • 01:11:27.150 --> 01:11:28.110
  • He says, "Take my yoke upon
  • 01:11:28.110 --> 01:11:29.120
  • you."
  • 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:30.110
  • But he has this beautiful
  • 01:11:30.110 --> 01:11:31.250
  • paradox, where we're gonna
  • 01:11:31.250 --> 01:11:33.040
  • accomplish things, we're gonna
  • 01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.080
  • do things together but it will
  • 01:11:34.080 --> 01:11:36.040
  • be restful for your soul.
  • 01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:38.230
  • It will be peaceful.
  • 01:11:38.230 --> 01:11:39.290
  • It will be--have a gentleness
  • 01:11:39.290 --> 01:11:40.280
  • to it.
  • 01:11:40.280 --> 01:11:42.110
  • And so there is something about
  • 01:11:42.110 --> 01:11:43.260
  • the ability to embrace this yoke
  • 01:11:46.230 --> 01:11:49.230
  • of Christ that says, "Everything
  • 01:11:49.230 --> 01:11:51.080
  • I do now gets to be a want to
  • 01:11:51.080 --> 01:11:52.170
  • instead of a have to."
  • 01:11:52.170 --> 01:11:54.040
  • Everything--and that's
  • 01:11:54.040 --> 01:11:55.110
  • what--that's--I understand from
  • 01:11:55.110 --> 01:11:56.210
  • the outside looking in, people
  • 01:11:56.210 --> 01:11:57.120
  • look at Christians, say, "You're
  • 01:11:57.120 --> 01:11:58.070
  • like other religions.
  • 01:11:58.070 --> 01:11:59.000
  • You have a holy book.
  • 01:11:59.000 --> 01:11:59.250
  • You say holy prayers.
  • 01:11:59.250 --> 01:12:00.220
  • You visit holy men in
  • 01:12:00.220 --> 01:12:01.190
  • holy places.
  • 01:12:01.190 --> 01:12:02.150
  • And you go through holy rituals.
  • 01:12:02.150 --> 01:12:04.020
  • So you're just like every other
  • 01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:04.290
  • religion."
  • 01:12:04.290 --> 01:12:05.210
  • The difference is, for us, it's
  • 01:12:05.210 --> 01:12:06.150
  • a want to, not a have to.
  • 01:12:06.150 --> 01:12:08.020
  • None of those things make us
  • 01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:09.170
  • right with God.
  • 01:12:09.170 --> 01:12:10.210
  • We're right with God so we want
  • 01:12:10.210 --> 01:12:11.280
  • to do these things.
  • 01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:14.010
  • We sing songs to a God that we
  • 01:12:14.010 --> 01:12:15.090
  • want to experience the romantic
  • 01:12:15.090 --> 01:12:17.070
  • connection with, rather than
  • 01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:21.100
  • feel that I have to sing in
  • 01:12:21.100 --> 01:12:22.100
  • order to make him happy with me.
  • 01:12:22.100 --> 01:12:24.000
  • You know, we gather together at
  • 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.240
  • a church so that we can remind
  • 01:12:25.240 --> 01:12:27.120
  • each other of this beautiful,
  • 01:12:27.120 --> 01:12:28.110
  • restful, peaceful, celebratory,
  • 01:12:28.110 --> 01:12:30.080
  • joyful grace, rather than say,
  • 01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:32.280
  • "We have to get together in
  • 01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:34.020
  • order to somehow obtain that
  • 01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:35.230
  • grace."
  • 01:12:35.230 --> 01:12:36.280
  • And that difference from moving
  • 01:12:36.280 --> 01:12:38.210
  • from a have to to a want to is
  • 01:12:38.210 --> 01:12:40.040
  • so freeing.
  • 01:12:40.040 --> 01:12:41.270
  • And really is, and what Jesus
  • 01:12:41.270 --> 01:12:44.020
  • promised is true.
  • 01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:45.160
  • It's restful for the soul.
  • 01:12:45.160 --> 01:12:46.190
  • - Leon: When you get--when you
  • 01:12:46.190 --> 01:12:47.140
  • figure out what you two
  • 01:12:47.140 --> 01:12:48.260
  • gentlemen have written about and
  • 01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:50.000
  • you begin to see Jesus the way
  • 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.250
  • the Word of God presents him, it
  • 01:12:52.250 --> 01:12:55.110
  • makes you fascinated with the
  • 01:12:55.110 --> 01:12:56.210
  • Bible.
  • 01:12:56.210 --> 01:12:58.150
  • It makes you fall in love with
  • 01:12:58.150 --> 01:12:59.220
  • Jesus and the whole motive
  • 01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:02.170
  • changes.
  • 01:13:02.170 --> 01:13:03.110
  • I wanna thank you guys for being
  • 01:13:03.110 --> 01:13:04.080
  • with me.
  • 01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:04.260
  • This has been awesome.
  • 01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:05.170
  • I could listen to you two guys
  • 01:13:05.170 --> 01:13:06.080
  • talk all day.
  • 01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:07.250
  • Ha, ha, ha.
  • 01:13:07.250 --> 01:13:08.190
  • But thanks for being with me
  • 01:13:08.190 --> 01:13:09.090
  • today.
  • 01:13:09.090 --> 01:13:09.250
  • - Bruxy: Thank you.
  • 01:13:09.250 --> 01:13:10.110
  • - Andrew: Thank you.
  • 01:13:10.110 --> 01:13:10.290
  • - Leon: I want to--give 'em a
  • 01:13:10.290 --> 01:13:11.200
  • hand.
  • 01:13:11.200 --> 01:13:12.080
  • Isn't that awesome?
  • 01:13:12.080 --> 01:13:13.040
  • Praise the Lord.
  • 01:13:14.190 --> 01:13:17.190
  • You know, as we--when you think
  • 01:13:17.190 --> 01:13:20.160
  • about the Christian life, if you
  • 01:13:20.160 --> 01:13:22.170
  • don't really understand his
  • 01:13:22.170 --> 01:13:25.030
  • grace and how much he loves you,
  • 01:13:25.030 --> 01:13:27.250
  • people in the world won't be
  • 01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:29.030
  • attracted to what you are
  • 01:13:29.030 --> 01:13:30.230
  • producing.
  • 01:13:30.230 --> 01:13:32.230
  • Whether you're on the job,
  • 01:13:32.230 --> 01:13:34.030
  • wherever you go, they'll see you
  • 01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:35.230
  • struggling, they'll see that you
  • 01:13:35.230 --> 01:13:38.140
  • don't have a peace that passes
  • 01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:39.190
  • understanding.
  • 01:13:39.190 --> 01:13:40.170
  • There's no joy unspeakable
  • 01:13:40.170 --> 01:13:42.170
  • and full of glory.
  • 01:13:42.170 --> 01:13:43.270
  • You're just as stressed out
  • 01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:45.070
  • as they are.
  • 01:13:45.070 --> 01:13:46.100
  • And there's no change.
  • 01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:47.200
  • problems but what makes us
  • 01:13:49.220 --> 01:13:50.230
  • different is not that we're
  • 01:13:50.230 --> 01:13:52.150
  • problem-free.
  • 01:13:52.150 --> 01:13:54.010
  • What makes us different is that
  • 01:13:54.010 --> 01:13:55.140
  • we sense this forgiveness
  • 01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.050
  • and this love that only
  • 01:13:57.050 --> 01:13:59.050
  • Jesus brings.
  • 01:13:59.050 --> 01:14:00.210
  • You know, the Bible says about
  • 01:14:00.210 --> 01:14:01.290
  • Jesus in Luke 2:52 that he grew
  • 01:14:02.010 --> 01:14:05.010
  • in favor with God and he grew
  • 01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:08.020
  • in favor with man.
  • 01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:10.290
  • I call that spirit contemporary.
  • 01:14:10.290 --> 01:14:12.200
  • It's being spiritually alive
  • 01:14:12.200 --> 01:14:14.140
  • with the presence of God
  • 01:14:14.140 --> 01:14:15.250
  • inside of you.
  • 01:14:15.250 --> 01:14:16.220
  • You know the Word of God so
  • 01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:18.290
  • You've been set free from the
  • 01:14:21.150 --> 01:14:23.050
  • condemnation that the enemy
  • 01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:24.280
  • owns so many Christians with.
  • 01:14:24.280 --> 01:14:27.030
  • And you begin to realize whose
  • 01:14:27.030 --> 01:14:28.210
  • you are.
  • 01:14:28.210 --> 01:14:30.110
  • Then as you go to your job, you
  • 01:14:30.110 --> 01:14:32.060
  • go about living the life that
  • 01:14:32.060 --> 01:14:34.160
  • you're living, you then begin to
  • 01:14:34.160 --> 01:14:36.130
  • focus on the people around you
  • 01:14:36.130 --> 01:14:37.290
  • in a way that doesn't say, "You
  • 01:14:37.290 --> 01:14:39.120
  • must go out and make converts.
  • 01:14:39.140 --> 01:14:42.140
  • If you don't make converts, God
  • 01:14:42.140 --> 01:14:43.180
  • will be unhappy."
  • 01:14:43.180 --> 01:14:44.230
  • So we're out trying to get a new
  • 01:14:44.230 --> 01:14:45.230
  • gold star on our chart or
  • 01:14:45.230 --> 01:14:47.150
  • another check mark in heaven.
  • 01:14:47.150 --> 01:14:49.120
  • And people sense it.
  • 01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:50.230
  • It's like going to get--to a guy
  • 01:14:50.230 --> 01:14:52.010
  • who's selling cars and you can
  • 01:14:52.010 --> 01:14:53.120
  • tell he needs to sell a car real
  • 01:14:53.120 --> 01:14:54.220
  • bad or he's not getting paid.
  • 01:14:54.220 --> 01:14:56.130
  • And so you walk onto the floor,
  • 01:14:56.130 --> 01:14:58.080
  • he comes to try to sell you and
  • 01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:59.120
  • he's overselling and
  • 01:14:59.120 --> 01:15:00.280
  • overselling.
  • 01:15:00.280 --> 01:15:01.290
  • And it just pulls you away.
  • 01:15:01.290 --> 01:15:03.200
  • And then you find this guy that
  • 01:15:03.200 --> 01:15:04.290
  • he just wants to look after you
  • 01:15:04.290 --> 01:15:06.080
  • and what is it that you want?
  • 01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:07.190
  • That's what touches you.
  • 01:15:07.190 --> 01:15:09.070
  • Until we understand Jesus, the
  • 01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:12.080
  • cross, what he did on the cross,
  • 01:15:12.210 --> 01:15:15.210
  • that this salvation package is
  • 01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:17.090
  • so beautiful and complete, that
  • 01:15:17.090 --> 01:15:19.280
  • you can just enjoy him, that his
  • 01:15:20.010 --> 01:15:23.010
  • power is there to help you, it
  • 01:15:23.010 --> 01:15:24.200
  • transforms you.
  • 01:15:24.200 --> 01:15:26.040
  • Your life is gonna be so amazing
  • 01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:27.230
  • with him that now you become an
  • 01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:30.050
  • attractive force everywhere you
  • 01:15:30.050 --> 01:15:32.150
  • go.
  • 01:15:32.150 --> 01:15:33.120
  • People will just say, "What's
  • 01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:34.050
  • different about you?"
  • 01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:35.160
  • I was walking into a Starbucks
  • 01:15:35.160 --> 01:15:36.170
  • that I always go to and one--and
  • 01:15:36.170 --> 01:15:38.130
  • they didn't know what I did.
  • 01:15:38.130 --> 01:15:39.280
  • And so I would joke around and
  • 01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:42.040
  • there was a shift change and
  • 01:15:44.180 --> 01:15:45.200
  • both shifts were there at the
  • 01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:46.220
  • Starbucks and one girl says,
  • 01:15:46.220 --> 01:15:48.070
  • "Can I just ask you a question?"
  • 01:15:48.070 --> 01:15:49.090
  • I said, "Yeah."
  • 01:15:49.090 --> 01:15:50.050
  • "What do you do?"
  • 01:15:50.050 --> 01:15:51.100
  • And I said, "I'm not telling
  • 01:15:51.100 --> 01:15:53.100
  • you."
  • 01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:54.130
  • "What?"
  • 01:15:54.130 --> 01:15:55.220
  • Said, "I'm not telling you."
  • 01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:56.150
  • "Well, well, tell me what you
  • 01:15:56.150 --> 01:15:57.150
  • do."
  • 01:15:57.150 --> 01:15:58.040
  • I said, "No."
  • 01:15:58.040 --> 01:15:58.260
  • "Okay, are you a lawyer?"
  • 01:15:58.260 --> 01:16:00.030
  • And I said, "No."
  • 01:16:00.030 --> 01:16:01.150
  • And they all started guessing
  • 01:16:01.150 --> 01:16:02.100
  • while I'm getting my coffee and
  • 01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:03.200
  • I just smiled and walked off.
  • 01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:04.210
  • Well, for the next week or two,
  • 01:16:04.210 --> 01:16:07.140
  • it was this ongoing guess with
  • 01:16:07.140 --> 01:16:09.120
  • this guy do?
  • 01:16:11.250 --> 01:16:12.250
  • Towards the end, I said, "Why
  • 01:16:12.250 --> 01:16:14.150
  • are you guys so, like, curious
  • 01:16:14.150 --> 01:16:17.040
  • about this?"
  • 01:16:17.040 --> 01:16:18.220
  • They said, "There's just
  • 01:16:18.220 --> 01:16:20.010
  • something about you.
  • 01:16:20.010 --> 01:16:21.020
  • You come in here, you're happy,
  • 01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:22.030
  • you're cool.
  • 01:16:22.030 --> 01:16:23.180
  • So we're just trying to figure
  • 01:16:23.180 --> 01:16:24.100
  • what you do."
  • 01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:24.270
  • So I said, "Well, you wanna know
  • 01:16:24.270 --> 01:16:26.030
  • what I do?"
  • 01:16:26.030 --> 01:16:26.230
  • And they said, "Yeah."
  • 01:16:26.230 --> 01:16:27.290
  • Said, "I'm a pastor."
  • 01:16:27.290 --> 01:16:30.020
  • "Nooo!"
  • 01:16:30.020 --> 01:16:32.050
  • And they all freak.
  • 01:16:32.050 --> 01:16:34.120
  • And the whole place found out I
  • 01:16:34.120 --> 01:16:36.160
  • was a pastor.
  • 01:16:36.160 --> 01:16:37.250
  • They could not-- "You're not
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  • a--you're joshing."
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  • You know, they didn't use that
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  • word.
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  • It was a swear word I can't
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  • repeat.
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  • And I said, "You're just messing
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  • with us, aren't you?"
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  • And they--and then they wouldn't
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  • believe that I was a pastor.
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  • So I had to prove to them that I
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  • was a pastor.
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  • And do you know, I had 17 of
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  • them come out one day to church
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  • to something special that we
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  • were doing and get a chance to
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  • see what we're doing.
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  • You know, to be truly Spirit
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  • contemporary is about being
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  • spiritually alive.
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  • It's about knowing Jesus,
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  • accepting him as your Savior,
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  • and then knowing the Word so
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  • that you realize it's all him.
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  • That what he did on the cross
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  • for me was he qualified me to be
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  • in God's family.
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  • He qualified me for all the
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  • promises.
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  • You know, in the Old Testament,
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  • all the promises are if.
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  • If you'll do this, God will do
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  • this.
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  • But in the New Testament, it
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  • says, "All the promises are in
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  • him Yes and Amen."
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  • It's done.
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  • He's qualified us for the
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  • blessing, the power, every
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  • promise that you need, you're
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  • qualified for.
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  • And then to boot, he's on the
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  • inside of us, living through us
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  • with his joy.
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  • We can have the mind of Christ.
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  • And in the Amplified it says,
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  • "The thoughts, the feelings, the
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  • purposes."
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  • Can you imagine what Jesus would
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  • be thinking and what he'd be
  • 01:17:56.110 --> 01:17:57.160
  • feeling and what his purposes
  • 01:17:57.160 --> 01:17:58.170
  • are?
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  • And I like that in the
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  • Amplified.
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  • It says you can literally have
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  • that mind of Christ.
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  • I wanna encourage you today to
  • 01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:07.080
  • make sure, make a decision to
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  • And you know, if you've been led
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  • down the religion road and
  • 01:18:12.280 --> 01:18:15.010
  • you've been turned off to
  • 01:18:15.010 --> 01:18:15.250
  • church, turned off to the Bible,
  • 01:18:15.250 --> 01:18:17.250
  • take a new look.
  • 01:18:17.250 --> 01:18:19.110
  • There are so many great leaders
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  • out there, preachers, great
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  • churches, that I would say are
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  • Spirit contemporary.
  • 01:18:23.260 --> 01:18:26.050
  • They're so filled with God's
  • 01:18:26.050 --> 01:18:27.050
  • presence, the teaching of his
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  • Word, but they're contemporary.
  • 01:18:28.240 --> 01:18:30.190
  • They're connecting with people
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  • in a real way.
  • 01:18:32.010 --> 01:18:34.040
  • We're gonna go to a song in just
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  • a moment but, before we do, I
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  • wanna pray with you.
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  • I'm gonna ask God to touch you
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  • right where you are and that the
  • 01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:42.290
  • Bruxy has said, some of the
  • 01:18:46.020 --> 01:18:48.050
  • things that I've said, I believe
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  • Holy Spirit will touch your
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  • heart.
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  • And if just one thought goes
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  • away, I believe it's gonna
  • 01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.260
  • change you in a beautiful way.
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  • Father, I just pray for every
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  • person watching this show.
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  • I don't know what lies have
  • 01:18:59.230 --> 01:19:02.030
  • bound them or what the enemy has
  • 01:19:02.030 --> 01:19:03.230
  • done to hurt them but, Father,
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  • I just pray a freedom.
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  • I just pray they'll get to know
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  • you in a real way, in a special
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  • way.
  • 01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:14.050
  • And I'm asking you right now
  • 01:19:14.050 --> 01:19:15.090
  • that, Father, something unique's
  • 01:19:15.090 --> 01:19:17.140
  • gonna take place as they reach
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  • out to you.
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  • I believe it by faith in the
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  • mighty name of Jesus, amen and
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  • amen.
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  • Wow, give Jesus a hand.
  • 01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:27.190
  • and keep watching.
  • 01:19:32.200 --> 01:19:33.270
  • These shows are so awesome.
  • 01:19:33.270 --> 01:19:35.090
  • I believe that teaching is gonna
  • 01:19:35.090 --> 01:19:36.110
  • touch your life but, right now,
  • 01:19:36.110 --> 01:19:37.250
  • let's just go out with
  • 01:19:37.250 --> 01:19:39.040
  • a gorgeous song as Myron comes
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  • and sings to us.
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  • "Bless the Lord O my soul
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  • and all that is within me.
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  • Bless the Lord, O my soul,
  • 01:20:03.290 --> 01:20:06.290
  • and all that is within me.
  • 01:20:08.140 --> 01:20:11.140
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul,
  • 01:20:12.200 --> 01:20:15.200
  • and all that is within me.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
  • 01:20:35.180 --> 01:20:38.180
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:20:40.010 --> 01:20:43.010
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:20:44.250 --> 01:20:47.250
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:20:48.210 --> 01:20:51.210
  • I'll bless the Lord
  • 01:20:51.210 --> 01:20:53.270
  • with all of my soul.
  • 01:20:54.080 --> 01:20:57.080
  • Bless the Lord.
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  • Yes, Lord.
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  • O my soul.
  • 01:20:59.110 --> 01:21:00.260
  • And all that is within me.
  • 01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:05.160
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul,
  • 01:21:06.290 --> 01:21:09.290
  • and all that is within me.
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  • To the Father.
  • 01:21:13.250 --> 01:21:14.240
  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • I will bless your name.
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  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:21:34.170 --> 01:21:37.170
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:21:39.160 --> 01:21:42.160
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:21:44.170 --> 01:21:47.170
  • I'll bless the Lord
  • 01:21:47.170 --> 01:21:48.240
  • with all of my soul.
  • 01:21:48.280 --> 01:21:51.280
  • Bless the Lord.
  • 01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:53.110
  • Hallelujah.
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  • O my soul.
  • 01:21:53.280 --> 01:21:55.180
  • And all--
  • 01:21:55.180 --> 01:21:57.030
  • Ha, everything
  • 01:21:57.030 --> 01:21:58.030
  • that is within me.
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  • Anybody feel like that tonight?
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • O my soul.
  • 01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:04.250
  • And all, oh, oh-oh-ohhh.
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  • I will bless.
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  • Hallelujah.
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  • Anybody gonna bless
  • 01:22:12.160 --> 01:22:13.110
  • his name with me tonight?
  • 01:22:13.110 --> 01:22:15.030
  • I will bless your name.
  • 01:22:15.150 --> 01:22:18.150
  • I will.
  • 01:22:18.150 --> 01:22:20.150
  • Hallelujah.
  • 01:22:20.150 --> 01:22:21.220
  • I'll bless your name.
  • 01:22:21.220 --> 01:22:23.040
  • I will bless your name.
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  • Listen, listen.
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  • For the Lord is holy.
  • 01:22:28.010 --> 01:22:30.170
  • He's mighty.
  • 01:22:30.170 --> 01:22:33.150
  • He's righteous.
  • 01:22:33.150 --> 01:22:35.130
  • And the Lord is worthy.
  • 01:22:35.130 --> 01:22:37.130
  • Bless the Lord.
  • 01:22:38.110 --> 01:22:41.110
  • O my soul.
  • 01:22:41.120 --> 01:22:44.120
  • Everybody in the room
  • 01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:45.260
  • just lift up your hands, lift up
  • 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:47.250
  • your hands as an act of worship.
  • 01:22:47.250 --> 01:22:49.150
  • And somebody just shout,
  • 01:22:49.150 --> 01:22:50.220
  • "Hallelujah."
  • 01:22:50.220 --> 01:22:52.290
  • Somebody shout,
  • 01:22:52.290 --> 01:22:54.050
  • "Thank you, Jesus."
  • 01:22:54.050 --> 01:22:55.110
  • Somebody shout--
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  • I will bless him.
  • 01:22:57.060 --> 01:23:00.080
  • Yeah.
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  • I will bless your name.
  • 01:23:05.150 --> 01:23:08.150
  • I will bless your name.
  • 01:23:09.220 --> 01:23:12.220
  • I will bless your name.
  • 01:23:12.240 --> 01:23:15.240
  • Hallelujah.
  • 01:23:15.240 --> 01:23:17.080
  • Your name.
  • 01:23:17.080 --> 01:23:19.040
  • On your bad days, listen.
  • 01:23:19.040 --> 01:23:22.010
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:26.280
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:23:28.150 --> 01:23:31.150
  • Ohhh.
  • 01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:35.080
  • Ohhh.
  • 01:23:35.170 --> 01:23:38.170
  • O my soul.
  • 01:23:38.170 --> 01:23:39.290
  • One more time.
  • 01:23:39.290 --> 01:23:40.180
  • For the Lord is holy.
  • 01:23:41.110 --> 01:23:44.110
  • He's mighty.
  • 01:23:44.110 --> 01:23:46.020
  • He is righteous.
  • 01:23:46.020 --> 01:23:48.120
  • And he is worthy.
  • 01:23:49.220 --> 01:23:52.220
  • O my soul, he is holy.
  • 01:23:59.050 --> 01:24:02.070
  • He's mighty.
  • 01:24:02.070 --> 01:24:04.140
  • The Lord is righteous
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  • and he is worthy.
  • 01:24:06.160 --> 01:24:09.000
  • Bless him.
  • 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.140
  • Bless the Lord, O my soul.
  • 01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:13.140
  • O my soul.
  • 01:24:14.210 --> 01:24:17.210
  • O my soul.
  • 01:24:18.190 --> 01:24:21.190
  • Praise...
  • 01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:27.160
  • Praise the Lord!
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  • - announcer: This program
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  • has been brought to you through
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  • the prayers and contributions of
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  • our faithful partners throughout
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