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Praise the Lord

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October 14, 2016
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Jay Sekulow and Erick Stakelbeck host David Brog, Jason Jimenez, Dr. Ralph Martino, Jon Medved and Christine D'Clario

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Praise the Lord

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  • - male announcer: From coast
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  • to coast, and around the world,
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  • it's time to praise the Lord!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • let every nation rejoice!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • - Jon Medved: It's
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  • the fulfillment
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  • of biblical prophecy.
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  • I don't have to tell
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  • your viewers that there is
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  • a blessing which is
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  • emanating from our country.
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  • - Christine D'Clario: We just
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  • wanna be the key that opens
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  • the door for people to come
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  • into the quiet room of God
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  • and have an encounter.
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  • - Ralph Martino: That's what
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  • America has been doing.
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  • We have been drifting away
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  • from the moral compass.
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  • We drifted away from Christ
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  • and now it's costly.
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  • - David Brog: When you bring
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  • truth to the middle of the lies,
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  • it makes a difference.
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  • - Jason Jimenez: God can use
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  • you where you're at and
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  • that's the hope that we have.
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • let every nation rejoice!
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  • Praise the Lord
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  • with one mighty voice!
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  • Praise the Lord!
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  • Praise the Lord!
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  • Praise...
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  • Praise the Lord!
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  • - Jay Sekulow: This is
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  • Jay Sekulow.
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  • Welcome to Washington, D.C.
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  • We've got an exciting
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  • program in store.
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  • We're gonna talk about issues
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  • that impact you, your family,
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  • our country, the church,
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  • overseas, what we're dealing
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  • with for Israel.
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  • I had the chance to sit down and
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  • talk with some people that are
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  • gonna minister to your heart
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  • and soul.
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  • They're gonna talk to you
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  • about hope.
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  • Hope found in Jesus Christ
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  • but also realizing that with
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  • the myriad of issues that
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  • the country is now facing,
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  • the important issues that we're
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  • facing, that we serve the King
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  • of kings and the Lord of lords.
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  • And we should never get
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  • overwhelmed with the events
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  • of the day.
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  • We should be praying for those
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  • in authority, praying for our
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  • neighbors, praying for peace.
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  • But ultimately, that peace comes
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  • through the Prince of Peace.
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  • So tonight is a Night of Hope.
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  • Join me and our team here
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  • in Washington, D.C.,
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  • - Jay: Well, joining me on
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  • the set in Washington, D.C.,
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  • is Jon Medved.
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  • Jon is a major entrepreneur
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  • in Israel.
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  • In fact, "The Washington Post"
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  • called him one of Israel's
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  • leading high-tech venture
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  • capitalists.
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  • He's the founder and CEO
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  • of OurCrowd.
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  • He's been part of the founding
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  • team in a lot of successful
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  • operations and businesses
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  • in Israel.
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  • We talked a lot and we've talked
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  • about on this program this whole
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  • Boycott, Divest, and Sanction
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  • movement that's going on where
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  • groups are trying to get people
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  • to not invest, to boycott
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  • Israeli products, to boycott
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  • And Jon, you've taken
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  • a very different approach.
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  • You've really engaged Israel.
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  • - Jon: Well, look, I wanna
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  • change the conversation
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  • from rather than talking about
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  • divestment and how do we boycott
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  • Israel, but how do we become
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  • proactive and go on
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  • the offensive?
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  • its friends take the offensive,
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  • we win.
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  • We're not going on the defense.
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  • Okay, we never have been.
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  • Our greatest victory
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  • is the Six-Day War,
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  • was when we were pre-emptive.
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  • Now, here we're talking about
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  • an area which is as strong
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  • an area for Israel
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  • and the Jewish people
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  • and its friends you've ever had.
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  • Money, business, okay?
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  • This is something
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  • we know how to do.
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  • Bring it on.
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  • And if we can talk to people
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  • about what's really happening
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  • in Israel in the technology
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  • and the startup,
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  • in the innovation area,
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  • how the entire world is beating
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  • a door down to come in
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  • and invest, one of the things
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  • which are most remarkable
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  • is that this year, most of
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  • the venture capital markets
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  • worldwide are contracting,
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  • are shrinking.
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  • Israel is the only market
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  • which is going up.
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  • We're already 39%
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  • up in the first half
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  • based on last year.
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  • But the last 2 years,
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  • we're up over 100%.
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  • We're now going to have over $6
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  • billion--$6 billion invested in
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  • Israel this year
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  • in high-tech startups.
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  • - Jay: So when people--because
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  • there's this sense when you talk
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  • about Israel, people are used to
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  • talking about security,
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  • the Israeli Defense Forces,
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  • conflict in the region.
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  • You're talking about businesses
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  • that are succeeding at
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  • big numbers and are changing
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  • technology for the entire world.
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  • - Jon: They're--look, it's
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  • the fulfillment of
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  • biblical prophecy.
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  • I don't have to tell your
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  • viewers that there is a blessing
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  • which is emanating from
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  • our country.
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  • And it's no surprise that
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  • not just American investors and
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  • American companies, whether it's
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  • Google and Facebook and Intel
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  • and Cisco and every single one,
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  • or it's the Chinese companies
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  • or the Indian companies or
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  • the Russian investors,
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  • they're all coming.
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  • Israeli companies are having
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  • huge impact in Africa
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  • and Latin America.
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  • We're solving problems for
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  • the world which are
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  • absolutely essential.
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  • - Jay: You know, one of
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  • the things I thought was
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  • interesting over the last couple
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  • of months was that the Israeli
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  • medical technology has been a--
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  • has always been significant but
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  • in the last couple of years it
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  • has been significant
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  • in ways that I don't think
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  • people can imagine.
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  • For instance, one of
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  • the harshest critics of Israel
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  • is the former president of
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  • the United States, Jimmy Carter.
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  • He became a very harsh critic
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  • of Israel.
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  • He was diagnosed with
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  • an advanced form of brain cancer
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  • that has been pretty much cured
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  • because of Israeli
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  • medical technology.
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  • - Jon: God bless him, you know?
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  • I mean, the bottom line is that
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  • there's a lot of that hypocrisy.
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  • Stephen Hawking, okay, who made
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  • some horrible statements.
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  • His voice is enabled by
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  • Israeli technology.
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  • You can't live today, a modern
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  • life, without touching and being
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  • benefited by Israeli technology.
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  • The reality--these BDS morons
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  • and, really, we have to call
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  • them morons, if they really
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  • wanna boycott Israel, they
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  • should shut down their TVs,
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  • turn off the Internet--
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  • - Jay: Don't go to your
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  • high-tech physician.
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  • - Jon: They should--yeah,
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  • absolutely.
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  • Don't take a medicine 'cause
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  • the largest generic drug
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  • manufacturer is Israeli, Teva.
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  • You know, God forbid,
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  • don't eat a tomato.
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  • Ninety-seven percent of
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  • the world's tomato seeds
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  • are coming from Israel.
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  • So forget it.
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  • Just stop eating tomatoes.
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  • Stop eating anything that was
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  • irrigated by drip irrigation.
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  • Don't involve yourself in space
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  • or next-generation
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  • satellite technologies.
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  • God forbid you should have
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  • collision avoidance in your car,
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  • okay, because 90% of the cars
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  • that are using advanced machine
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  • vision are coming from
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  • Israel's Mobileye.
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  • - Jay: I wanna talk about
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  • the BDS movement 'cause a lot
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  • of people are saying what are
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  • you talking about?
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  • So for our audience that's
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  • listening and watching right now
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  • let me tell you what it is.
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  • There's been a movement and it's
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  • really been the last 5 years.
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  • It's another form of lawfare.
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  • It's taking a system and to make
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  • a illegitimate argument which is
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  • what those in favor of BDS are
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  • trying to do and trying
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  • to legitimize it.
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  • So they do it by saying, "Well,
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  • Israel's like South Africa
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  • and it's apartheid and it's--"
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  • So you boycott, in other words,
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  • don't do business,
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  • don't allow Israeli academics
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  • to come on campuses.
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  • You divest, don't--and you're
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  • saying the opposite, of course,
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  • Jon, that you should be
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  • investing.
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  • But don't invest.
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  • And then sanction.
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  • They actually put forward
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  • sanctions.
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  • I call it lawfare.
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  • It's again, a twisted theory to
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  • try to delegitimize
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  • the Jewish state.
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  • - Jon: Well, it's an attempt
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  • to both delegitimize Israel and
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  • America because this story is
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  • ultimately about the partnership
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  • between America and Israel.
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  • All of these American companies
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  • who are buying up Israeli
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  • companies, who are investing,
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  • are getting access to this
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  • incredible technology.
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  • So when you see the newest and
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  • the greatest stuff coming out of
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  • Silicon Valley, guess what?
  • 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.230
  • A lot of it actually came from
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  • Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and Haifa
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  • because we're working
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  • as partners.
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  • And this partnership
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  • is changing the world.
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  • - Jay: Let's talk a little bit
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  • about the partnership between
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  • the United States and America, I
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  • mean, United States and Israel,
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  • because I think, as Americans,
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  • there's this history
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  • of partnership but that
  • 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:02.290
  • partnership's been stressed over
  • 00:08:02.290 --> 00:08:04.070
  • the last few years, frankly.
  • 00:08:04.070 --> 00:08:06.060
  • Besides the business side of it,
  • 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:07.110
  • let's talk about how important
  • 00:08:07.110 --> 00:08:08.030
  • it is for that link to
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  • stay engaged.
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  • - Jon: Well, first of all,
  • 00:08:10.250 --> 00:08:11.150
  • I'm not sure, I think there's
  • 00:08:11.150 --> 00:08:12.290
  • certain people who--
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  • - Jay: Yeah, I know.
  • 00:08:14.150 --> 00:08:15.030
  • I think it's fair, yeah.
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  • - Jon: And they are important
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  • people.
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  • - Jay: Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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  • right.
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  • - Jon: But for the vast
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  • majority of Americans,
  • 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:20.110
  • the polling numbers
  • 00:08:20.110 --> 00:08:21.290
  • have never been better.
  • 00:08:21.290 --> 00:08:23.050
  • The breadth of this partnership,
  • 00:08:23.050 --> 00:08:25.190
  • the fact that we see in
  • 00:08:25.190 --> 00:08:27.070
  • my offices at OurCrowd, we see
  • 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:29.030
  • delegation after delegation of
  • 00:08:29.030 --> 00:08:31.060
  • people coming from cities, from
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  • states, who are saying, "Can
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  • you bring Israeli innovation
  • 00:08:34.230 --> 00:08:36.170
  • into our neighborhood?
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  • We want the jobs."
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  • For example, there was a study
  • 00:08:40.090 --> 00:08:41.040
  • just published recently
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  • on Boston.
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  • Now Boston on Route 128
  • 00:08:43.170 --> 00:08:45.290
  • is a spectacular tech hub
  • 00:08:45.290 --> 00:08:47.260
  • and innovation center.
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  • Would you believe there are
  • 00:08:49.050 --> 00:08:50.130
  • over 200 Israeli companies
  • 00:08:50.130 --> 00:08:52.110
  • now headquartered in Boston?
  • 00:08:52.110 --> 00:08:53.240
  • They've generated
  • 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:54.220
  • over 25.000 jobs.
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  • They're generating something
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  • in excess of $12 billion
  • 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.140
  • of annual activity.
  • 00:09:02.140 --> 00:09:04.090
  • It represents, I think,
  • 00:09:04.090 --> 00:09:05.100
  • something close to 4%
  • 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:06.260
  • of Massachusetts GDP.
  • 00:09:06.260 --> 00:09:08.200
  • So here you have something which
  • 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.040
  • I'm very proud of, which is
  • 00:09:10.040 --> 00:09:11.130
  • Israel coming to America and
  • 00:09:11.130 --> 00:09:13.190
  • creating jobs, economic growth,
  • 00:09:13.190 --> 00:09:16.100
  • and this is about
  • 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:17.070
  • the partnership.
  • 00:09:17.070 --> 00:09:18.090
  • It's not just America sending
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  • aid to Israel or America
  • 00:09:19.160 --> 00:09:20.270
  • investing in Israel.
  • 00:09:20.270 --> 00:09:22.110
  • It's Israel investing
  • 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:23.180
  • in America.
  • 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:24.160
  • And this kind of linking hands
  • 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:26.190
  • together across the sea is
  • 00:09:26.190 --> 00:09:28.090
  • what's gonna change the world.
  • 00:09:28.090 --> 00:09:29.180
  • - Jay: One of the interesting
  • 00:09:29.180 --> 00:09:30.100
  • things, you've--you started
  • 00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:31.070
  • doing some work with Christians
  • 00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:32.130
  • United For Israel and I wanna
  • 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:33.090
  • talk about that.
  • 00:09:33.090 --> 00:09:34.190
  • Why did you find that an
  • 00:09:34.190 --> 00:09:35.140
  • important group to engage with?
  • 00:09:35.140 --> 00:09:37.060
  • - Jon: Well, first of all,
  • 00:09:37.060 --> 00:09:38.000
  • we're at OurCrowd active in
  • 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.120
  • what's called crowdfunding.
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  • We are allowing--
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  • - Jay: Explain to people what
  • 00:09:42.270 --> 00:09:43.180
  • that is.
  • 00:09:43.180 --> 00:09:44.060
  • I mean, people who don't know
  • 00:09:44.060 --> 00:09:44.270
  • what crowdfunding is.
  • 00:09:44.270 --> 00:09:45.140
  • - Jon: Until now, if you wanted
  • 00:09:45.140 --> 00:09:46.110
  • to invest in the next Facebook
  • 00:09:46.110 --> 00:09:47.220
  • or the next Google, forget it,
  • 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:50.060
  • right?
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  • Unless you know somebody, unless
  • 00:09:50.290 --> 00:09:52.020
  • you're an, you know, mega
  • 00:09:52.020 --> 00:09:53.240
  • billionaire, you're not getting
  • 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.120
  • a shot at this.
  • 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.240
  • Now, the US government, through
  • 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.250
  • the SEC, has allowed now this
  • 00:09:58.250 --> 00:10:01.160
  • to start being opened up
  • 00:10:01.160 --> 00:10:03.030
  • to a broader group of people.
  • 00:10:03.030 --> 00:10:04.240
  • We've opened it up to people who
  • 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.100
  • are called accredited investors.
  • 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:08.000
  • These are people who have some
  • 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.030
  • significant net worth and income
  • 00:10:09.030 --> 00:10:10.290
  • but there's 10 million
  • 00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:12.040
  • households like this in America.
  • 00:10:12.040 --> 00:10:14.010
  • About 98% of them have never
  • 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:15.230
  • invested in a startup.
  • 00:10:15.230 --> 00:10:18.010
  • So we're now putting the best of
  • 00:10:18.010 --> 00:10:19.130
  • Israel's startups on the Web at
  • 00:10:19.130 --> 00:10:21.160
  • ourcrowd.com and allowing people
  • 00:10:21.160 --> 00:10:23.210
  • to invest.
  • 00:10:23.210 --> 00:10:24.220
  • We're now at almost $300 million
  • 00:10:24.220 --> 00:10:27.210
  • of investment coming in through
  • 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:29.080
  • the--which is real money.
  • 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.220
  • And we're involving thousands
  • 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:32.260
  • and thousands of people.
  • 00:10:32.260 --> 00:10:34.090
  • We have almost 14.000 investors
  • 00:10:34.090 --> 00:10:37.010
  • from 110 countries.
  • 00:10:37.010 --> 00:10:38.270
  • And what's beautiful about this,
  • 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:40.070
  • not just America, it's not.
  • 00:10:40.070 --> 00:10:41.240
  • We're getting investment
  • 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:42.150
  • from China.
  • 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:43.100
  • We're getting investment
  • 00:10:43.100 --> 00:10:44.070
  • from Latin America.
  • 00:10:44.070 --> 00:10:45.080
  • It's the whole world seeing
  • 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.100
  • in Israel this fulfillment
  • 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:48.260
  • of prophecy because this
  • 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:50.280
  • blessing which is emanating
  • 00:10:50.280 --> 00:10:52.230
  • from Israel is now affecting
  • 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:53.220
  • the entire globe.
  • 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:54.210
  • - Jay: I was gonna ask you
  • 00:10:54.210 --> 00:10:55.140
  • about that because I think that,
  • 00:10:55.140 --> 00:10:56.250
  • when you look at the--we talk
  • 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:58.110
  • about in the business framework,
  • 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:00.030
  • but just talking about
  • 00:11:00.030 --> 00:11:01.040
  • just partnership.
  • 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:02.100
  • That kind of partnership,
  • 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:03.200
  • the economic engine,
  • 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:04.220
  • if you will, of an economy,
  • 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:06.110
  • or the ability to engage
  • 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:07.250
  • in a growing and burgeoning
  • 00:11:07.250 --> 00:11:09.190
  • economy that you have in Israel,
  • 00:11:09.190 --> 00:11:11.090
  • that also strengthens
  • 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:12.250
  • ties down the road.
  • 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:14.070
  • - Jon: It's huge.
  • 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:15.090
  • I mean, I was on the phone on
  • 00:11:15.090 --> 00:11:16.010
  • Friday with our partners at
  • 00:11:16.010 --> 00:11:18.140
  • ReWalk who are a company who
  • 00:11:18.140 --> 00:11:20.090
  • allow paraplegics to get up out
  • 00:11:20.090 --> 00:11:23.030
  • of their wheelchair and walk.
  • 00:11:23.030 --> 00:11:24.250
  • This company,
  • 00:11:24.250 --> 00:11:26.010
  • we were investors in.
  • 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:26.280
  • We took it public.
  • 00:11:26.280 --> 00:11:28.020
  • Our investors made money.
  • 00:11:28.020 --> 00:11:29.160
  • But it's not just
  • 00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:30.230
  • about the money.
  • 00:11:30.230 --> 00:11:31.220
  • This company is changing the
  • 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:33.030
  • lives of scores of people
  • 00:11:33.030 --> 00:11:35.050
  • who had the worst
  • 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:36.130
  • tragedy possible.
  • 00:11:36.130 --> 00:11:37.250
  • They've lost their ability
  • 00:11:37.250 --> 00:11:38.210
  • to walk.
  • 00:11:38.210 --> 00:11:39.140
  • And now, all of a sudden through
  • 00:11:39.140 --> 00:11:40.210
  • Israeli technology,
  • 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:42.150
  • it's literally, it's a miracle.
  • 00:11:42.150 --> 00:11:43.200
  • They're getting up and
  • 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.160
  • they're living life again.
  • 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:45.270
  • And when you see wounded
  • 00:11:45.270 --> 00:11:47.100
  • warriors coming back from
  • 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:48.160
  • Afghanistan or Iraq, when you
  • 00:11:48.160 --> 00:11:50.080
  • see policemen, when you see
  • 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.270
  • your average everyday person,
  • 00:11:51.270 --> 00:11:53.060
  • getting up and walking.
  • 00:11:53.060 --> 00:11:54.100
  • And why?
  • 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:55.060
  • Because of Israeli technology
  • 00:11:55.060 --> 00:11:56.230
  • and, believe me, they know
  • 00:11:56.230 --> 00:11:57.270
  • exactly what they're doing.
  • 00:11:57.270 --> 00:11:59.050
  • There'll be one on stage here
  • 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:00.020
  • at CUFI tomorrow which I think
  • 00:12:00.020 --> 00:12:01.240
  • will be a major moment.
  • 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.250
  • - Jay: Yeah, so let's talk
  • 00:12:03.250 --> 00:12:04.160
  • a little bit about that because
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.190
  • I think that, as I said,
  • 00:12:05.190 --> 00:12:07.130
  • you--people watch the media.
  • 00:12:07.130 --> 00:12:08.210
  • They listen to media.
  • 00:12:08.210 --> 00:12:09.170
  • They're not getting this story
  • 00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:10.180
  • as much as they should.
  • 00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:11.220
  • This partnership, this concept
  • 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:13.180
  • of engaging the business
  • 00:12:13.180 --> 00:12:15.150
  • community as part of biblical
  • 00:12:15.150 --> 00:12:17.140
  • prophecy, but also as part of a
  • 00:12:17.140 --> 00:12:19.140
  • fulfillment of something that
  • 00:12:19.140 --> 00:12:20.280
  • dates back since really the
  • 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:22.050
  • foundation of the state of
  • 00:12:22.050 --> 00:12:24.160
  • Israel.
  • 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:25.060
  • - Jon: It's the promise of both
  • 00:12:25.060 --> 00:12:25.280
  • of our countries.
  • 00:12:25.280 --> 00:12:26.240
  • What makes America great among
  • 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.230
  • other things such as belief in
  • 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:30.070
  • God and in terms of freedom
  • 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.120
  • and the civil rights,
  • 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.280
  • what makes America great is
  • 00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:36.220
  • entrepreneurship, is the ability
  • 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:38.240
  • to go get stuff done, to change
  • 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.150
  • the world, to create
  • 00:12:40.150 --> 00:12:41.230
  • new businesses.
  • 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:42.190
  • It's that engine of capitalism.
  • 00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:44.040
  • Let's not forget how critical
  • 00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:45.060
  • it is.
  • 00:12:45.060 --> 00:12:46.060
  • And the Jewish people have
  • 00:12:46.060 --> 00:12:47.080
  • always been entrepreneurs.
  • 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:48.110
  • Father Abraham was
  • 00:12:48.110 --> 00:12:50.100
  • an entrepreneur, okay?
  • 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:51.110
  • We don't have anything holy
  • 00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:53.120
  • about poverty in our tradition,
  • 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.040
  • okay?
  • 00:12:55.040 --> 00:12:55.250
  • We believe that you are partners
  • 00:12:55.250 --> 00:12:57.210
  • with God in helping finish
  • 00:12:57.210 --> 00:13:00.110
  • the work that make--that
  • 00:13:00.110 --> 00:13:02.140
  • creation goes on every day.
  • 00:13:02.140 --> 00:13:04.200
  • And so the fact that American
  • 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.130
  • entrepreneurs and American
  • 00:13:06.130 --> 00:13:07.200
  • investors are linking up with
  • 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.050
  • Israeli entrepreneurs and
  • 00:13:09.050 --> 00:13:10.130
  • Israeli investors and we're
  • 00:13:10.130 --> 00:13:12.000
  • using the worldwide web to do
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.050
  • it, it doesn't get better than
  • 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:14.050
  • that.
  • 00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:14.240
  • - Jay: So I was--I did an--I
  • 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:16.120
  • spoke at a UN event that
  • 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.120
  • the Israeli Ambassador to
  • 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.280
  • the United Nations put on,
  • 00:13:19.280 --> 00:13:21.030
  • on the BDS issue, and it
  • 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:22.150
  • was very interesting because
  • 00:13:22.150 --> 00:13:23.120
  • Benjamin Netanyahu gave a video
  • 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:24.100
  • presentation shortly--
  • 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:25.130
  • right before I spoke.
  • 00:13:25.130 --> 00:13:27.180
  • And he made the statement that
  • 00:13:27.180 --> 00:13:29.090
  • they keep pushing the BDS,
  • 00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:31.170
  • the Boycott, Divestment,
  • 00:13:31.170 --> 00:13:32.290
  • Sanction,
  • 00:13:32.290 --> 00:13:33.280
  • but the reality is the Israeli
  • 00:13:33.280 --> 00:13:34.280
  • economy has never been stronger
  • 00:13:34.280 --> 00:13:36.060
  • and the rest of the
  • 00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:37.000
  • world knows this.
  • 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:37.240
  • - Jon: Absolutely!
  • 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:38.140
  • - Jay: And they're investing.
  • 00:13:38.140 --> 00:13:39.050
  • - Jon: And these investment
  • 00:13:39.050 --> 00:13:40.030
  • dollars keep on flowing in,
  • 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:41.100
  • in massive numbers.
  • 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:43.070
  • We're up over 100% in just
  • 00:13:43.070 --> 00:13:45.250
  • 2 years.
  • 00:13:45.250 --> 00:13:46.230
  • Doesn't get better than that.
  • 00:13:46.230 --> 00:13:47.220
  • - Jay: Yeah, so is
  • 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:48.190
  • the environment--do you utilize
  • 00:13:48.190 --> 00:13:50.030
  • the capital that's coming in
  • 00:13:50.030 --> 00:13:52.090
  • for these new startups,
  • 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:53.240
  • also as a bridge-builder?
  • 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.000
  • - Jon: Absolutely.
  • 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.180
  • So I'll give you another example
  • 00:13:56.180 --> 00:13:57.100
  • of a company who'll be on stage
  • 00:13:57.100 --> 00:13:58.100
  • tomorrow at CUFI.
  • 00:13:58.100 --> 00:13:59.220
  • A company called CropX.
  • 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:02.100
  • This is an Israeli company
  • 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:03.250
  • who figured out a way for
  • 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:04.260
  • the average farmer who irrigates
  • 00:14:04.260 --> 00:14:07.070
  • his field to save 30% to 40%
  • 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:09.220
  • of his water.
  • 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:10.210
  • He doesn't have to lay drip
  • 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:11.240
  • irrigation, which we like
  • 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.130
  • because that's another
  • 00:14:13.130 --> 00:14:14.130
  • Israeli innovation.
  • 00:14:14.130 --> 00:14:15.090
  • But he can use the genius of his
  • 00:14:15.090 --> 00:14:16.290
  • smartphone coupled with very
  • 00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:19.050
  • simple sensors which he puts in
  • 00:14:19.050 --> 00:14:20.280
  • the ground and all of a sudden
  • 00:14:20.280 --> 00:14:22.120
  • he's got control.
  • 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:23.100
  • You know what 30% or 40% of
  • 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.230
  • the water usage means in
  • 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:26.000
  • California's Central Valley or
  • 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.120
  • in Texas or in other parts of
  • 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.000
  • America that are suffering from
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  • drought?
  • 00:14:31.010 --> 00:14:32.020
  • And so when you see farmers here
  • 00:14:32.020 --> 00:14:34.160
  • saying, "Thank you, Israel,"
  • 00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:35.250
  • okay?
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  • "You're giving us back the
  • 00:14:36.180 --> 00:14:37.160
  • American family farm.
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  • We can now make a living.
  • 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.080
  • We can get over this drought
  • 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.210
  • with Israeli technology."
  • 00:14:43.210 --> 00:14:44.230
  • It doesn't get better than that.
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  • - Jay: No, so this is, again,
  • 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:47.130
  • folks, this is--this goes to
  • 00:14:47.130 --> 00:14:48.200
  • the partnership of our people,
  • 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.040
  • our country, and it shows
  • 00:14:50.040 --> 00:14:51.150
  • a bridge that is not very--
  • 00:14:51.150 --> 00:14:53.100
  • it's not very long.
  • 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.200
  • It's an easy bridge.
  • 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:55.200
  • It's miles and miles away but
  • 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.190
  • the partnership between Israel
  • 00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:58.270
  • and American investors
  • 00:14:58.270 --> 00:15:00.100
  • and American entrepreneurs
  • 00:15:00.100 --> 00:15:02.140
  • and enterprise is the same
  • 00:15:02.140 --> 00:15:04.070
  • motivation that you have
  • 00:15:04.070 --> 00:15:05.130
  • in Israel.
  • 00:15:05.130 --> 00:15:06.020
  • I mean, we are one of the two
  • 00:15:06.020 --> 00:15:06.250
  • countries, actually, that have
  • 00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:08.110
  • that entrepreneurial spirit.
  • 00:15:08.110 --> 00:15:09.110
  • Most don't.
  • 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:10.010
  • - Jon: No, no.
  • 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:10.230
  • Today, there are two totally
  • 00:15:10.230 --> 00:15:13.070
  • leading sites for innovation
  • 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:15.120
  • and that is America
  • 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.180
  • and that is Israel.
  • 00:15:16.180 --> 00:15:17.190
  • Silicon Valley and Silicon Wadi.
  • 00:15:17.190 --> 00:15:20.020
  • And we are just both growing
  • 00:15:20.020 --> 00:15:22.110
  • and it's just--it's a blessing.
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  • - Jay: So you think--but
  • 00:15:23.210 --> 00:15:24.140
  • let's talk about the prophecy
  • 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:25.100
  • end of it.
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  • You think this is part of
  • 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:27.030
  • biblical prophecy.
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  • - Jon: Absolutely.
  • 00:15:27.290 --> 00:15:28.180
  • Well, look, we, you know, you
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:29.120
  • can read Genesis and you'll
  • 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.010
  • learn that the world will
  • 00:15:31.010 --> 00:15:32.100
  • be blessed through
  • 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:33.160
  • the seed of Abraham.
  • 00:15:33.160 --> 00:15:34.100
  • - Jay: Right, bless those that
  • 00:15:34.100 --> 00:15:35.020
  • bless them, right.
  • 00:15:35.020 --> 00:15:35.210
  • - Jon: And if you believe that
  • 00:15:35.210 --> 00:15:37.090
  • Israel is the Jewish state
  • 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:39.280
  • then if we weren't excellent
  • 00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:41.280
  • at business and excellent
  • 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:44.090
  • at technology, that would be
  • 00:15:44.090 --> 00:15:44.290
  • the strange thing.
  • 00:15:44.290 --> 00:15:46.160
  • This shouldn't make any
  • 00:15:46.160 --> 00:15:47.220
  • believing person say,
  • 00:15:47.220 --> 00:15:48.290
  • "Ho, this is wild."
  • 00:15:48.290 --> 00:15:50.190
  • This is what we know to be true.
  • 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:53.050
  • And it's sitting there
  • 00:15:53.050 --> 00:15:54.160
  • in front of everybody's face.
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:56.260
  • And by the way, there are lots
  • 00:15:56.260 --> 00:15:58.010
  • of non-believers who are engaged
  • 00:15:58.010 --> 00:16:00.030
  • in this business.
  • 00:16:00.030 --> 00:16:01.040
  • This is not some kind of
  • 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:02.150
  • Jewish or evangelical
  • 00:16:02.150 --> 00:16:05.060
  • Christian-only activity.
  • 00:16:05.060 --> 00:16:07.270
  • We have endless, endless
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  • Chinese and Koreans
  • 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.090
  • and Japanese and Indians--
  • 00:16:12.090 --> 00:16:14.030
  • - Jay: That are making
  • 00:16:14.030 --> 00:16:14.250
  • investments.
  • 00:16:14.250 --> 00:16:15.140
  • - Jon: Who are making
  • 00:16:15.140 --> 00:16:16.040
  • the investments because they
  • 00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:16.280
  • see Israel and they see what
  • 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:19.010
  • Israel does with America
  • 00:16:19.010 --> 00:16:19.260
  • as representing
  • 00:16:19.260 --> 00:16:20.280
  • the best of humanity.
  • 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:22.010
  • This is good for the world.
  • 00:16:22.010 --> 00:16:23.210
  • - Jay: Do you sense right now,
  • 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:24.170
  • talk about the region for
  • 00:16:26.210 --> 00:16:27.120
  • a moment.
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.060
  • So the region has gone through
  • 00:16:28.060 --> 00:16:29.150
  • a lot in the last 5 years.
  • 00:16:29.150 --> 00:16:30.290
  • You've had the Arab Spring.
  • 00:16:30.290 --> 00:16:32.080
  • Some of it did not turn out
  • 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:33.120
  • exactly as planned.
  • 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.140
  • But you've got unique
  • 00:16:34.140 --> 00:16:35.150
  • partnerships forming now with
  • 00:16:35.150 --> 00:16:36.260
  • Israel in the region, that you
  • 00:16:36.260 --> 00:16:38.190
  • never had before.
  • 00:16:38.190 --> 00:16:39.180
  • The Jordanians, always had
  • 00:16:39.180 --> 00:16:41.010
  • a decent relationship the last
  • 00:16:41.010 --> 00:16:42.030
  • 15 years but not like now.
  • 00:16:42.030 --> 00:16:43.200
  • I mean, much stronger now.
  • 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.200
  • Egypt.
  • 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:45.130
  • Even Saudi Arabia's--
  • 00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:46.080
  • - Jon: Absolutely.
  • 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.050
  • - Jay: How is that
  • 00:16:47.050 --> 00:16:48.090
  • affecting things?
  • 00:16:48.090 --> 00:16:49.110
  • - Jon: Well, I mean, people
  • 00:16:49.110 --> 00:16:50.100
  • don't like to talk about it
  • 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:51.160
  • because this is stuff that's
  • 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:52.100
  • best done under the table.
  • 00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:54.280
  • But the trade and the investment
  • 00:16:55.030 --> 00:16:58.030
  • and the cooperation has never
  • 00:16:58.030 --> 00:16:59.290
  • been stronger.
  • 00:16:59.290 --> 00:17:01.150
  • - Jay: And that also helps
  • 00:17:01.150 --> 00:17:02.060
  • build a bridge with those
  • 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:02.260
  • people.
  • 00:17:02.260 --> 00:17:03.140
  • - Jon: Huge.
  • 00:17:03.140 --> 00:17:04.010
  • And ultimately, this is
  • 00:17:04.010 --> 00:17:04.220
  • When people realize that by
  • 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.140
  • working together, by talking to
  • 00:17:08.140 --> 00:17:10.040
  • each other, by helping save
  • 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:12.130
  • lives, that we are sanctifying
  • 00:17:12.130 --> 00:17:15.040
  • God's name, that we are--and no
  • 00:17:15.040 --> 00:17:17.070
  • matter what--how you call God,
  • 00:17:17.070 --> 00:17:19.230
  • okay, because ultimately you've
  • 00:17:19.230 --> 00:17:21.130
  • gotta believe that people
  • 00:17:21.130 --> 00:17:22.180
  • are good, okay?
  • 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:24.000
  • That hopefully the majority of
  • 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.080
  • people in this world want
  • 00:17:26.080 --> 00:17:27.190
  • to live their lives, to work,
  • 00:17:27.190 --> 00:17:30.110
  • to make money, to be healthy,
  • 00:17:30.110 --> 00:17:32.020
  • and to help others.
  • 00:17:32.020 --> 00:17:33.070
  • And the fact that Israel is
  • 00:17:33.070 --> 00:17:34.230
  • doing this and has done it
  • 00:17:34.230 --> 00:17:36.070
  • continually despite all these
  • 00:17:36.070 --> 00:17:37.230
  • attempts to boycott us, to
  • 00:17:37.230 --> 00:17:39.280
  • kill us, to wipe us out,
  • 00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:41.140
  • and all they do is they fail.
  • 00:17:41.140 --> 00:17:43.210
  • They continue to strengthen us
  • 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:45.060
  • and, with God's help, this
  • 00:17:45.060 --> 00:17:47.080
  • will continue on.
  • 00:17:47.080 --> 00:17:47.270
  • - Jay: You know,
  • 00:17:47.270 --> 00:17:48.150
  • it's interesting.
  • 00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:49.070
  • A couple of years back when
  • 00:17:49.070 --> 00:17:49.280
  • Shimon Peres was the president
  • 00:17:49.280 --> 00:17:50.250
  • of Israel, I was at his house
  • 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:52.140
  • and we were talking and he
  • 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:54.070
  • brought out this map.
  • 00:17:54.070 --> 00:17:55.120
  • And it was--he brings out this
  • 00:17:55.120 --> 00:17:57.070
  • map and we're trying--we're in
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:17:58.030
  • casual clothes, we're just kind
  • 00:17:58.030 --> 00:17:59.040
  • of talking.
  • 00:17:59.040 --> 00:18:00.060
  • And he goes, "You know, Jay,
  • 00:18:00.060 --> 00:18:01.240
  • at the end of the day,
  • 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:02.170
  • it's about water."
  • 00:18:02.170 --> 00:18:03.180
  • I said, "What do you mean,
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:04.070
  • it's about water?"
  • 00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:04.240
  • He said, "We're working on
  • 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:05.150
  • technology for water because,"
  • 00:18:06.090 --> 00:18:09.090
  • and this is the exact words he
  • 00:18:09.090 --> 00:18:10.080
  • used, "Palestinians that may not
  • 00:18:10.080 --> 00:18:12.030
  • like us are dehydrated."
  • 00:18:12.030 --> 00:18:14.190
  • And this is a Shimon Peres
  • 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:15.150
  • quote.
  • 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:16.110
  • "They're dehydrated.
  • 00:18:16.110 --> 00:18:17.170
  • And maybe if they weren't
  • 00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:18.250
  • thirsty, they won't hate us."
  • 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:19.280
  • And it sounded simple but it was
  • 00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:21.050
  • actually very profound.
  • 00:18:21.050 --> 00:18:22.090
  • Those kind of quality-of-life
  • 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.240
  • moves make a big difference
  • 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.230
  • on how people get along.
  • 00:18:25.230 --> 00:18:26.260
  • - Jon: They make a huge
  • 00:18:26.260 --> 00:18:27.170
  • difference.
  • 00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:28.070
  • And Israel's water technology is
  • 00:18:28.070 --> 00:18:29.290
  • second to none in the world.
  • 00:18:29.290 --> 00:18:31.170
  • Our cyber security technology
  • 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:33.150
  • is second to none.
  • 00:18:33.150 --> 00:18:35.130
  • Our machine learning and machine
  • 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:37.150
  • vision, our robotics,
  • 00:18:37.150 --> 00:18:39.060
  • And by the way, if your viewers
  • 00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:42.270
  • would like to see some of these
  • 00:18:42.270 --> 00:18:43.290
  • companies, just go to
  • 00:18:43.290 --> 00:18:45.020
  • www.ourcrowd.com, you'll see we
  • 00:18:45.020 --> 00:18:47.280
  • now have 100 different companies
  • 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:50.010
  • where your viewers and people
  • 00:18:50.010 --> 00:18:52.040
  • like them have invested and can
  • 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:54.010
  • invest and we intend to get
  • 00:18:54.010 --> 00:18:55.240
  • to thousands of companies.
  • 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.000
  • We intend to continue building
  • 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.020
  • this bridge between Israel
  • 00:19:00.020 --> 00:19:01.260
  • and America,
  • 00:19:01.260 --> 00:19:02.190
  • and Israel and the world.
  • 00:19:02.190 --> 00:19:03.150
  • - Jay: Well, it's a great
  • 00:19:03.150 --> 00:19:04.040
  • bridge-building technique and
  • 00:19:04.040 --> 00:19:05.150
  • I'm thrilled you're doing it,
  • 00:19:05.150 --> 00:19:06.080
  • Jon.
  • 00:19:06.080 --> 00:19:06.240
  • Thanks for being on.
  • 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.100
  • - Jon: My pleasure.
  • 00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:07.260
  • Thank you.
  • 00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:08.120
  • - Jay: Appreciate it.
  • 00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:09.000
  • Thank you, Jon.
  • 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:09.200
  • Thank you, Jon.
  • 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.280
  • - Jay: Well, joining me here
  • 00:19:16.230 --> 00:19:19.230
  • in Washington, D.C.,
  • 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:20.150
  • is Dr. Ralph Martino.
  • 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:21.160
  • He is the senior pastor of First
  • 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:22.180
  • Church of Christ Holiness right
  • 00:19:22.180 --> 00:19:24.100
  • here in our nation's capital, in
  • 00:19:24.100 --> 00:19:25.290
  • Washington, D.C. And Pastor,
  • 00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:27.170
  • thanks for being with us.
  • 00:19:27.170 --> 00:19:28.140
  • I really appreciate it.
  • 00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:29.120
  • It's good seeing you again after
  • 00:19:29.120 --> 00:19:30.090
  • all these years.
  • 00:19:30.090 --> 00:19:31.010
  • - Ralph: Likewise, sir.
  • 00:19:31.010 --> 00:19:31.220
  • It's good to be here.
  • 00:19:31.220 --> 00:19:32.250
  • - Jay: There is a lot going on.
  • 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:33.230
  • We're talking about we're in our
  • 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:35.060
  • nation's capital but if I look
  • 00:19:35.060 --> 00:19:36.200
  • at the cities around the world,
  • 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:37.240
  • you minister in Washington, but,
  • 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.250
  • of course, you minister around
  • 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:39.200
  • the world.
  • 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:40.120
  • But let's talk about the--what's
  • 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:41.180
  • going on right now in our cities
  • 00:19:41.180 --> 00:19:43.020
  • with tragedy after tragedy.
  • 00:19:43.020 --> 00:19:44.210
  • Every day, we're waking up
  • 00:19:44.210 --> 00:19:45.270
  • to a new tragedy.
  • 00:19:45.270 --> 00:19:47.100
  • Sometimes it's Nice, France.
  • 00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:48.210
  • Sometimes it's Baton Rouge.
  • 00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:49.290
  • Sometimes it's Dallas.
  • 00:19:49.290 --> 00:19:50.270
  • But it's impacting our nations,
  • 00:19:50.270 --> 00:19:53.000
  • it's impacting our culture.
  • 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.060
  • What are you sensing right now?
  • 00:19:54.060 --> 00:19:55.170
  • - Ralph: Well, we're sensing
  • 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:56.140
  • Evil is shifting its way.
  • 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.110
  • Matter of fact, it's
  • 00:20:00.110 --> 00:20:01.100
  • intensifying its effort
  • 00:20:01.100 --> 00:20:03.010
  • to track down anyone that is
  • 00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:06.040
  • That is, if they kinda one foot
  • 00:20:08.110 --> 00:20:09.140
  • in the world, one foot in
  • 00:20:09.140 --> 00:20:10.110
  • the church.
  • 00:20:10.110 --> 00:20:11.030
  • They're bringing them down and
  • 00:20:11.030 --> 00:20:12.060
  • then they're attacking those
  • 00:20:12.060 --> 00:20:13.140
  • that are unsaved, using them as
  • 00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:14.290
  • instruments, again to cause
  • 00:20:14.290 --> 00:20:16.250
  • those that are saved to question
  • 00:20:16.250 --> 00:20:18.050
  • the reality, the presence,
  • 00:20:18.050 --> 00:20:19.200
  • and the protection of God.
  • 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.010
  • - Jay: You know, and one of
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:21.220
  • the things I know but
  • 00:20:21.220 --> 00:20:22.190
  • I mentioned this before going on
  • 00:20:22.190 --> 00:20:23.150
  • the air, I look at the situation
  • 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:24.270
  • with ISIS impacting.
  • 00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:26.140
  • Of course, this horrible tragedy
  • 00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:27.240
  • just in Nice, France.
  • 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.040
  • It happened in Istanbul,
  • 00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:30.030
  • it happened in Brussels.
  • 00:20:30.030 --> 00:20:30.270
  • I mean, we can make the list,
  • 00:20:30.270 --> 00:20:31.280
  • San Bernardino, Orlando.
  • 00:20:31.280 --> 00:20:34.030
  • Then you had the shootings
  • 00:20:34.030 --> 00:20:35.030
  • in Dallas.
  • 00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:36.050
  • And you had the shootings
  • 00:20:36.050 --> 00:20:36.260
  • in the inner city.
  • 00:20:36.260 --> 00:20:38.080
  • And you look at all of this
  • 00:20:38.080 --> 00:20:39.160
  • and you realize very quickly
  • 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.160
  • that while we're in probably
  • 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.070
  • the most politically important
  • 00:20:43.070 --> 00:20:44.290
  • city in the world right now,
  • 00:20:44.290 --> 00:20:46.010
  • looking at the national's
  • 00:20:46.010 --> 00:20:46.250
  • Capitol, the politicians
  • 00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:49.010
  • aren't in charge of all this.
  • 00:20:49.010 --> 00:20:50.130
  • - Ralph: No, they're not.
  • 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:51.070
  • Matter of fact,
  • 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:51.240
  • they don't know what to do.
  • 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.030
  • Every great biblical leader
  • 00:20:53.030 --> 00:20:54.200
  • had someone called a prophet
  • 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.070
  • or a seer.
  • 00:20:56.070 --> 00:20:57.070
  • That individual helped them
  • 00:20:57.070 --> 00:20:58.210
  • to see beyond the decision.
  • 00:20:58.210 --> 00:21:00.190
  • In other words, whatever
  • 00:21:00.190 --> 00:21:01.160
  • decision--the decision
  • 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:02.240
  • being a seed.
  • 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.240
  • There's fruit inside that seed.
  • 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.050
  • See, with the prophet,
  • 00:21:05.050 --> 00:21:07.000
  • the prophet was able to help
  • 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:08.080
  • the leader see the fruit of
  • 00:21:08.080 --> 00:21:09.240
  • their decision, the consequences
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  • associated with it.
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  • That's what's missing.
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  • - Jay: You know, you talk about
  • 00:21:13.090 --> 00:21:14.010
  • the consequences missing.
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  • We look at it, decision making
  • 00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:15.230
  • is--look, the leadership
  • 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:16.230
  • is decision making.
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  • You have to make decisions.
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  • I always--I look at it a
  • 00:21:18.260 --> 00:21:20.050
  • four-part analysis.
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  • What's the best thing could
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  • happen if I do this?
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  • What's the worst thing that
  • 00:21:22.260 --> 00:21:23.180
  • could happen if I do this?
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  • What's the best thing that
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  • happens if I don't do it?
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  • What's the worst thing could
  • 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:27.000
  • happen if I don't do it?
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  • And that, it's something I
  • 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:29.000
  • actually learned from
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  • Dr. Ben Carson, an
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  • approach that he does as well.
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  • We take a look at what--
  • 00:21:32.060 --> 00:21:34.180
  • the conflict that's going on
  • 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:36.100
  • right now, globally but here.
  • 00:21:36.100 --> 00:21:38.050
  • Let's talk about it from
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  • the spiritual context
  • 00:21:39.020 --> 00:21:39.230
  • for a moment.
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  • This history that we're seeing
  • 00:21:40.150 --> 00:21:41.290
  • right now and I call it history
  • 00:21:41.290 --> 00:21:43.070
  • because in a very real sense,
  • 00:21:43.070 --> 00:21:44.180
  • Pastor, this is nothing new.
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  • - Ralph: It's not.
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  • Matter of fact--
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  • - Jay: It's as old as
  • 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:48.140
  • the Scripture.
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  • - Ralph: Listen, Paul told
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  • Timothy, he's led by the Lord
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  • in 2 Timothy chapter 3.
  • 00:21:52.020 --> 00:21:53.050
  • He said in the last days
  • 00:21:53.050 --> 00:21:54.090
  • perilous times, dangerous times,
  • 00:21:54.090 --> 00:21:55.230
  • are going to come.
  • 00:21:55.230 --> 00:21:56.170
  • Then he listed what was going to
  • 00:21:56.170 --> 00:21:58.060
  • happen.
  • 00:21:58.060 --> 00:21:58.280
  • So once again, all we're seeing
  • 00:21:58.280 --> 00:22:00.060
  • is a remaking of what Paul was
  • 00:22:00.060 --> 00:22:02.090
  • led to share back then.
  • 00:22:02.090 --> 00:22:03.150
  • It's the same old thing.
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  • - Jay: Do you set--you served
  • 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.020
  • in the military.
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:07.190
  • You were here in Washington,
  • 00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:08.170
  • D.C., military.
  • 00:22:08.170 --> 00:22:09.090
  • Our military's under attack
  • 00:22:09.090 --> 00:22:11.100
  • around the world.
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  • The cities are aflame right now.
  • 00:22:12.010 --> 00:22:14.140
  • We've got--the anxiety level
  • 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:16.260
  • within our culture is probably
  • 00:22:16.260 --> 00:22:18.140
  • the highest it's been.
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  • What do you see as the role of
  • 00:22:19.130 --> 00:22:21.040
  • the believing community
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  • right now?
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  • I mean, at this particular
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  • juncture in world history.
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  • - Ralph: That's
  • 00:22:26.070 --> 00:22:27.020
  • a great question.
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  • Intercession.
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  • We must intercede.
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  • Intercession has
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  • a twofold approach.
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  • You go before God,
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  • you stand between mankind.
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  • The problem within the church is
  • 00:22:36.070 --> 00:22:37.150
  • that the church has not been
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  • going before God.
  • 00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:40.000
  • We've been standing between God
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  • and mankind but you must go
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  • before God to make sure that
  • 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:44.090
  • this is a group of individuals
  • 00:22:44.090 --> 00:22:45.290
  • that God has, again, isolated
  • 00:22:45.290 --> 00:22:48.210
  • for you to pray for,
  • 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:50.010
  • specified for you to pray for,
  • 00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:51.250
  • because again, that becomes
  • 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:53.030
  • critical to the believer.
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  • We must know who to pray for and
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  • we must be willing to go to war
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  • in prayer.
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  • That's what intercession
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  • is all about.
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  • It's about warring on our knees
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  • on behalf of those that,
  • 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:04.170
  • once again, are less fortunate
  • 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:05.250
  • than we are in terms of
  • 00:23:05.250 --> 00:23:07.010
  • their connection to God.
  • 00:23:07.010 --> 00:23:08.000
  • We stay connected to God,
  • 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.030
  • we intercede on their behalf.
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  • We get results, they get saved,
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  • then he can Rapture us up out of
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  • here and we're gone.
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  • - Jay: Let me ask you this.
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  • As you look at--you talk about
  • 00:23:15.090 --> 00:23:16.050
  • leadership.
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  • You deal with it.
  • 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:17.150
  • As a leader, you deal with this.
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  • When we're--we're in a political
  • 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.190
  • season and we're in a political
  • 00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:20.240
  • capital.
  • 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.260
  • We're about to elect a president
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  • of the United States.
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  • When you look at leadership.
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  • I don't wanna talk
  • 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:26.270
  • about candidates.
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  • I wanna talk about leadership.
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  • What do you see as
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  • the quintessential--what is
  • 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:30.230
  • the thing you look for
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  • in leaders?
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  • - Ralph: Character.
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  • Character speaking of integrity.
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  • In other words, if you say
  • 00:23:36.090 --> 00:23:37.160
  • something do you do what you say
  • 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.060
  • or are you just saying something
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  • and you're doing something that
  • 00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:41.140
  • contradicts what you said?
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:42.280
  • Because once again, you're
  • 00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:43.250
  • asking, as a leader,
  • 00:23:43.250 --> 00:23:45.070
  • for someone to follow you.
  • 00:23:45.070 --> 00:23:46.050
  • If you're asking me to follow
  • 00:23:46.050 --> 00:23:47.070
  • you, then, again, you're--
  • 00:23:47.070 --> 00:23:48.190
  • the ABCs are crystal clear.
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  • You've gotta be all about your
  • 00:23:50.170 --> 00:23:52.160
  • business because, once again,
  • 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.150
  • I'm going to look at--I'm gonna
  • 00:23:53.150 --> 00:23:54.130
  • listen to what you said,
  • 00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:55.150
  • but I'm gonna see what you do.
  • 00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:56.290
  • And based upon that in and of
  • 00:23:56.290 --> 00:23:58.100
  • itself, that's gonna determine
  • 00:23:58.100 --> 00:23:59.170
  • whether or not in our book
  • 00:23:59.170 --> 00:24:00.170
  • you're a true leader.
  • 00:24:00.170 --> 00:24:01.260
  • - Jay: So when you're looking
  • 00:24:01.260 --> 00:24:02.210
  • it from a--you look at
  • 00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.010
  • the biblical examples of leaders
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  • and they were not perfect by
  • 00:24:05.070 --> 00:24:06.250
  • any stretch of the imagination.
  • 00:24:06.250 --> 00:24:07.290
  • God uses mankind.
  • 00:24:07.290 --> 00:24:09.100
  • When you're looking for their
  • 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:11.000
  • character, when you're looking
  • 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.130
  • for humility in leadership,
  • 00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:14.230
  • when you're looking for decision
  • 00:24:14.230 --> 00:24:15.270
  • making in leadership, you
  • 00:24:15.270 --> 00:24:16.280
  • look at the complex nature of
  • 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:18.130
  • the world we're in right now.
  • 00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:19.110
  • This is a very complex time.
  • 00:24:19.110 --> 00:24:21.130
  • It's--you need to think
  • 00:24:21.130 --> 00:24:22.230
  • nine-dimensionally.
  • 00:24:22.230 --> 00:24:24.040
  • Now you can't even think
  • 00:24:24.040 --> 00:24:24.270
  • three-dimensionally anymore.
  • 00:24:24.270 --> 00:24:25.270
  • So nine-dimensional thinking or
  • 00:24:25.270 --> 00:24:27.020
  • you gotta be thinking four moves
  • 00:24:27.020 --> 00:24:28.150
  • down, so to speak.
  • 00:24:28.150 --> 00:24:30.140
  • As a church leader, as a pastor,
  • 00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:33.180
  • as someone that's a life coach
  • 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.110
  • and talk to people about coming
  • 00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:37.240
  • to their potential, what do you
  • 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.070
  • see as the most important--
  • 00:24:39.070 --> 00:24:40.290
  • we take the character
  • 00:24:40.290 --> 00:24:42.120
  • as almost a given.
  • 00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:43.100
  • You've got--to lead you have
  • 00:24:43.100 --> 00:24:44.170
  • to have character.
  • 00:24:44.170 --> 00:24:45.130
  • But let's talk about decision
  • 00:24:45.130 --> 00:24:46.090
  • making right now.
  • 00:24:46.090 --> 00:24:47.070
  • A president
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  • has to make decisions.
  • 00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:50.050
  • And you mentioned the fact
  • 00:24:50.050 --> 00:24:51.120
  • that the kings of the Bible
  • 00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:52.140
  • had prophets.
  • 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:54.120
  • That seems to be absent today.
  • 00:24:54.120 --> 00:24:56.240
  • - Ralph: Yes, well, and
  • 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.190
  • unfortunately, it's because
  • 00:24:58.190 --> 00:25:00.020
  • we're more into photo ops.
  • 00:25:00.020 --> 00:25:01.210
  • That's the reality of that
  • 00:25:01.210 --> 00:25:02.130
  • scenario.
  • 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:03.050
  • But, see, that does not
  • 00:25:03.050 --> 00:25:03.260
  • drive us.
  • 00:25:03.260 --> 00:25:04.200
  • A true leader, again, becomes
  • 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.010
  • also a servant at the same time.
  • 00:25:06.010 --> 00:25:08.040
  • For servant leadership
  • 00:25:08.040 --> 00:25:09.080
  • is what we believe in.
  • 00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:10.090
  • For instance, our president
  • 00:25:10.090 --> 00:25:11.190
  • needs someone that would be able
  • 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:13.100
  • to speak to him and say,
  • 00:25:13.100 --> 00:25:14.080
  • "President, if you make this
  • 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:15.130
  • decision, here are
  • 00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:16.150
  • the repercussions
  • 00:25:16.150 --> 00:25:17.170
  • of that decision."
  • 00:25:17.170 --> 00:25:18.260
  • And so therefore, but as
  • 00:25:18.260 --> 00:25:19.230
  • a leader, once I am aware
  • 00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:21.120
  • of something, I must own it.
  • 00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:23.030
  • I must take responsibility.
  • 00:25:23.030 --> 00:25:24.070
  • We spent time over the last
  • 00:25:24.070 --> 00:25:25.160
  • couple of years driving
  • 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:26.230
  • home accountability.
  • 00:25:26.230 --> 00:25:28.110
  • Accountability is going to be
  • 00:25:28.110 --> 00:25:30.010
  • the key to great leadership.
  • 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:31.070
  • And without it, once again, you
  • 00:25:31.070 --> 00:25:33.020
  • will fall short and the people
  • 00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:34.170
  • will fall short.
  • 00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:35.130
  • What we are learning here in
  • 00:25:35.130 --> 00:25:36.170
  • this country, we are looking
  • 00:25:36.170 --> 00:25:37.290
  • for leadership.
  • 00:25:37.290 --> 00:25:39.180
  • When we find a strong leader,
  • 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:40.270
  • we will follow them.
  • 00:25:40.270 --> 00:25:42.050
  • But that's the reality.
  • 00:25:42.050 --> 00:25:43.110
  • We're lacking that.
  • 00:25:43.110 --> 00:25:44.100
  • - Jay: If you were advising and
  • 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:45.150
  • you have advised leaders before
  • 00:25:45.150 --> 00:25:46.280
  • around the world, what would be
  • 00:25:46.280 --> 00:25:48.230
  • the advice today to the--whoever
  • 00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:50.140
  • the president may end up being
  • 00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:51.290
  • in the United States of America,
  • 00:25:51.290 --> 00:25:52.280
  • what would you tell 'em?
  • 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:53.220
  • - Ralph: Begin your day
  • 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.270
  • with prayer.
  • 00:25:54.270 --> 00:25:56.100
  • In other words, do like our Lord
  • 00:25:56.100 --> 00:25:57.210
  • and Savior Jesus Christ did.
  • 00:25:57.210 --> 00:25:58.210
  • Every day he began with prayer.
  • 00:25:58.210 --> 00:26:00.210
  • In other words, he sought
  • 00:26:00.210 --> 00:26:01.200
  • God's guidance for the day.
  • 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.190
  • After he would pray, he knew
  • 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:05.010
  • exactly what steps he was
  • 00:26:05.010 --> 00:26:06.200
  • supposed to take for that day.
  • 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.280
  • Decision making became easy.
  • 00:26:07.280 --> 00:26:10.040
  • Listen, we're supposed to have
  • 00:26:10.040 --> 00:26:11.080
  • what we call Sanballats,
  • 00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:12.140
  • Tobiahs, and Geshems.
  • 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:13.250
  • Those are individuals that
  • 00:26:13.250 --> 00:26:14.230
  • always war or try to frustrate
  • 00:26:14.230 --> 00:26:16.000
  • your purpose.
  • 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:16.290
  • They're supposed to be there.
  • 00:26:16.290 --> 00:26:18.090
  • But what they end up doing is
  • 00:26:18.090 --> 00:26:19.170
  • helping you become a stronger
  • 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:20.230
  • person of true character.
  • 00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:22.100
  • And so we would share with them.
  • 00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:23.170
  • Make sure that you begin
  • 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:24.220
  • your day in prayer.
  • 00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:26.030
  • Make sure that you check in
  • 00:26:26.030 --> 00:26:27.080
  • around you and have around you
  • 00:26:27.080 --> 00:26:30.000
  • those seers, those prophets that
  • 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.140
  • we were sharing with you about
  • 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:32.130
  • that have spent time with God
  • 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:33.170
  • and could potentially tell you
  • 00:26:33.170 --> 00:26:35.020
  • here's what the Lord is saying.
  • 00:26:35.020 --> 00:26:36.080
  • This is the direction
  • 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:37.220
  • in which you're going.
  • 00:26:37.220 --> 00:26:38.160
  • Here is our moral compass
  • 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.100
  • for the day.
  • 00:26:39.100 --> 00:26:40.110
  • This is our target area.
  • 00:26:40.110 --> 00:26:41.210
  • Let's focus on this because you
  • 00:26:41.210 --> 00:26:43.100
  • would be amazed and when we
  • 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:44.210
  • start in one area, that one area
  • 00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:46.200
  • of impact could impact every
  • 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.080
  • other area.
  • 00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:49.160
  • - Jay: Let's talk about
  • 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:50.040
  • the moral compass.
  • 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:50.250
  • You mentioned the moral compass.
  • 00:26:50.250 --> 00:26:51.260
  • There is this sense among many
  • 00:26:51.260 --> 00:26:53.230
  • people right now that the
  • 00:26:53.230 --> 00:26:55.140
  • moral compass magnet is broken.
  • 00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:58.080
  • That we're not pointing in
  • 00:26:58.080 --> 00:26:59.250
  • the right directions or we're
  • 00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:00.250
  • pointed in a direction and
  • 00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:01.280
  • evil's good and good is evil.
  • 00:27:01.280 --> 00:27:03.080
  • But I'm not even gonna talk
  • 00:27:03.080 --> 00:27:04.030
  • about on the socialist.
  • 00:27:04.030 --> 00:27:04.270
  • I'm talking about just
  • 00:27:04.270 --> 00:27:05.150
  • generally.
  • 00:27:05.150 --> 00:27:06.070
  • There's a sense that we are--I'm
  • 00:27:06.070 --> 00:27:07.210
  • getting this frustration feeling
  • 00:27:07.210 --> 00:27:09.080
  • when I'm talking to people that
  • 00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:10.080
  • people are frustrated and feel
  • 00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:11.160
  • like we're rudderless.
  • 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.170
  • And that's, I think, our jobs
  • 00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:14.010
  • as--to come in and provide
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  • the path.
  • 00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:17.010
  • I mean, we have a GPS system
  • 00:27:17.010 --> 00:27:18.140
  • on your car.
  • 00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:19.160
  • You've got a GPS system in--
  • 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.010
  • when you're traveling.
  • 00:27:22.010 --> 00:27:23.270
  • The fact of the matter is that
  • 00:27:23.270 --> 00:27:24.240
  • the GPS, as important as it is,
  • 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.010
  • you gotta know who's providing
  • 00:27:27.010 --> 00:27:27.260
  • the information.
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  • We know it's coming from
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  • a satellite but you gotta know
  • 00:27:29.090 --> 00:27:30.040
  • where the information's
  • 00:27:30.040 --> 00:27:30.250
  • coming from.
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  • - Ralph: Absolutely.
  • 00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:32.020
  • And that's powerful because
  • 00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:33.110
  • the reality is that moral
  • 00:27:33.110 --> 00:27:34.150
  • compass that we referenced,
  • 00:27:34.150 --> 00:27:35.150
  • if it's not grounded in Jesus,
  • 00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:37.000
  • then it will always go astray.
  • 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.240
  • It's amazing how when you're
  • 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.040
  • actually out there on a boat, if
  • 00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:42.220
  • you're off an nth of a degree,
  • 00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:44.130
  • man, you will never reach
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  • your target.
  • 00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:46.220
  • Because, again,
  • 00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:47.190
  • you will begin to drift.
  • 00:27:47.190 --> 00:27:48.260
  • That's what America has
  • 00:27:48.260 --> 00:27:49.180
  • been doing.
  • 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:50.120
  • We have been drifting away
  • 00:27:50.120 --> 00:27:51.100
  • from the moral compass.
  • 00:27:51.100 --> 00:27:52.260
  • We drifted away from Christ
  • 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:53.260
  • and now it's costly.
  • 00:27:53.260 --> 00:27:55.020
  • - Jay: Yeah, let me talk about
  • 00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:56.120
  • the drift.
  • 00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:57.090
  • So people will say, "Well,
  • 00:27:57.090 --> 00:27:58.130
  • this happened in the '60s and
  • 00:27:58.130 --> 00:27:59.110
  • I remember the good ol' days."
  • 00:27:59.110 --> 00:28:00.170
  • But you know the truth of
  • 00:28:00.170 --> 00:28:01.090
  • the matter is?
  • 00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:02.010
  • The good ol' days weren't
  • 00:28:02.010 --> 00:28:03.000
  • so great.
  • 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:03.250
  • Our country, as our founding
  • 00:28:03.250 --> 00:28:06.150
  • documents say, is to form
  • 00:28:06.150 --> 00:28:08.130
  • a more perfect union.
  • 00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:09.080
  • It's not a perfect union,
  • 00:28:09.080 --> 00:28:10.090
  • but a more perfect union.
  • 00:28:10.090 --> 00:28:11.220
  • And the reality that, as
  • 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:14.120
  • a people, we could still do
  • 00:28:14.120 --> 00:28:16.030
  • better.
  • 00:28:16.030 --> 00:28:17.070
  • We can still reach--I look
  • 00:28:17.070 --> 00:28:18.150
  • at the strife that's going on
  • 00:28:18.150 --> 00:28:20.040
  • right now.
  • 00:28:20.040 --> 00:28:20.220
  • We talked about this earlier,
  • 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.170
  • the shootings going on in
  • 00:28:21.170 --> 00:28:23.000
  • the cities, the police
  • 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.080
  • and the individuals
  • 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:25.100
  • that have been shot, the victims
  • 00:28:25.100 --> 00:28:26.100
  • sometimes of the police,
  • 00:28:26.100 --> 00:28:28.170
  • and the police also feel
  • 00:28:28.170 --> 00:28:29.250
  • like that they're the victims.
  • 00:28:29.250 --> 00:28:31.000
  • I mean, this is a horrible
  • 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.020
  • situation.
  • 00:28:32.020 --> 00:28:32.220
  • You're ministering in a major
  • 00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:34.060
  • city, in Washington, D.C.
  • 00:28:34.060 --> 00:28:36.090
  • What do you tell your people
  • 00:28:36.090 --> 00:28:37.150
  • on Sunday?
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  • - Ralph: We share with them to
  • 00:28:38.100 --> 00:28:39.180
  • be encouraged.
  • 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.180
  • Because, again, the reality is
  • 00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:41.190
  • the 66 books in this Bible
  • 00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.140
  • will give us the solution that
  • 00:28:44.140 --> 00:28:46.070
  • will keep us going.
  • 00:28:46.070 --> 00:28:47.160
  • This is expected.
  • 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.220
  • The Lord Jesus said in
  • 00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:49.290
  • John 16:33, "In this world
  • 00:28:49.290 --> 00:28:51.220
  • you shall have tribulation."
  • 00:28:51.220 --> 00:28:53.240
  • This is not anything we don't
  • 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.240
  • expect.
  • 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.200
  • We expect this.
  • 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.170
  • But he said to be of good cheer.
  • 00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:58.030
  • He said because you have
  • 00:28:58.030 --> 00:28:59.290
  • overcome the world.
  • 00:28:59.290 --> 00:29:01.170
  • So we've already overcome so we
  • 00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:02.180
  • begin from a point called
  • 00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:03.160
  • victory.
  • 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.130
  • We believe in victory.
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  • We have that hope.
  • 00:29:05.250 --> 00:29:07.050
  • We have faith in God.
  • 00:29:07.050 --> 00:29:08.080
  • We know that God is in absolute
  • 00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:09.240
  • total control, even though it
  • 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.130
  • looks like chaos and confusion.
  • 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:12.280
  • We know who the author
  • 00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:14.040
  • is behind it.
  • 00:29:14.040 --> 00:29:15.080
  • But we begin ministry through
  • 00:29:15.080 --> 00:29:16.280
  • teaching.
  • 00:29:16.280 --> 00:29:17.270
  • - Jay: Let's talk about the
  • 00:29:17.270 --> 00:29:18.170
  • confusion and chaos.
  • 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:20.020
  • The enemy works with confusion
  • 00:29:20.020 --> 00:29:21.180
  • and chaos.
  • 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:22.120
  • And that's what's--the tactic is
  • 00:29:22.120 --> 00:29:23.090
  • nothing new.
  • 00:29:23.090 --> 00:29:24.050
  • It's as old as the Bible itself.
  • 00:29:24.050 --> 00:29:25.030
  • But there is a conflicting
  • 00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:26.220
  • message going on right now
  • 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:27.260
  • around the United States, around
  • 00:29:27.260 --> 00:29:29.020
  • the world.
  • 00:29:29.020 --> 00:29:29.250
  • And this conflicting message is
  • 00:29:29.250 --> 00:29:30.270
  • that, you know, your way is
  • 00:29:30.270 --> 00:29:33.010
  • maybe good for you but not great
  • 00:29:33.010 --> 00:29:34.190
  • for me and everybody, you know,
  • 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:35.290
  • the multiple ways to the top of
  • 00:29:35.290 --> 00:29:37.190
  • the mountain.
  • 00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:38.110
  • And I'm not--I won't even
  • 00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:39.050
  • necessarily get deep into
  • 00:29:39.050 --> 00:29:41.060
  • the theological impact of this.
  • 00:29:41.060 --> 00:29:42.270
  • But for the church community to
  • 00:29:42.270 --> 00:29:45.140
  • take that position, is scary.
  • 00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:48.000
  • - Ralph: That's disappointing
  • 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.010
  • because we're in the Book of
  • 00:29:49.010 --> 00:29:50.020
  • Judges all over again.
  • 00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:51.110
  • Every man doing that which is
  • 00:29:51.110 --> 00:29:52.220
  • right in their own eyes.
  • 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.000
  • Again, and many individuals
  • 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.200
  • have gotten away from reading
  • 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.220
  • the Word of God.
  • 00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:57.200
  • The Word of God is a lamp unto
  • 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.030
  • our feet, a light unto
  • 00:29:59.030 --> 00:29:59.240
  • our pathway.
  • 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.190
  • It is what helps to guide us and
  • 00:30:00.190 --> 00:30:02.090
  • you can tell when individuals
  • 00:30:02.090 --> 00:30:03.180
  • start taking their hands off
  • 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.000
  • the plow, you look.
  • 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.040
  • The economy takes one finger
  • 00:30:07.040 --> 00:30:07.270
  • off the plow.
  • 00:30:07.270 --> 00:30:08.260
  • And then all of a sudden,
  • 00:30:08.260 --> 00:30:10.020
  • the politics takes another
  • 00:30:10.020 --> 00:30:11.000
  • finger off.
  • 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:11.230
  • And before you know it,
  • 00:30:11.230 --> 00:30:12.180
  • one hand's off the plow,
  • 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:13.120
  • then both hands off the plow.
  • 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:14.110
  • And then we're repeating.
  • 00:30:14.110 --> 00:30:15.080
  • We sound more like the world
  • 00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.170
  • than like the church.
  • 00:30:16.170 --> 00:30:17.220
  • That is the conflicting interest
  • 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.140
  • that exists now between leaders
  • 00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:21.050
  • in the church.
  • 00:30:21.050 --> 00:30:22.110
  • There is an ongoing problem,
  • 00:30:22.110 --> 00:30:23.230
  • an ongoing struggle.
  • 00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:25.040
  • Because many have forgotten
  • 00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:26.150
  • who they serve.
  • 00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:27.200
  • Many have forgotten
  • 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:28.180
  • who they worship.
  • 00:30:28.180 --> 00:30:29.140
  • That's our problem.
  • 00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:30.140
  • - Jay: When you look at the--we
  • 00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:31.150
  • talked about leadership a little
  • 00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:32.290
  • bit earlier but here we are, I
  • 00:30:32.290 --> 00:30:34.010
  • mean, we're staring at the
  • 00:30:34.010 --> 00:30:34.280
  • nation's Capitol right behind
  • 00:30:34.280 --> 00:30:35.280
  • us.
  • 00:30:35.280 --> 00:30:36.190
  • - Ralph: Yes, sir.
  • 00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:37.090
  • - Jay: It's an awe-inspiring
  • 00:30:37.090 --> 00:30:38.000
  • sight.
  • 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:38.230
  • But the fact of the matter is,
  • 00:30:38.230 --> 00:30:40.240
  • as important as politics is,
  • 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.010
  • and I'm engaged in it.
  • 00:30:42.010 --> 00:30:43.150
  • I'm engaged in the legal side
  • 00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:44.130
  • of it.
  • 00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:45.050
  • It doesn't raise people
  • 00:30:45.050 --> 00:30:46.070
  • from the dead.
  • 00:30:46.070 --> 00:30:46.290
  • And as you minister here in
  • 00:30:46.290 --> 00:30:49.270
  • Washington, D.C., what is--you
  • 00:30:49.270 --> 00:30:52.070
  • talked about hope.
  • 00:30:52.070 --> 00:30:53.100
  • What is the message that you
  • 00:30:53.100 --> 00:30:54.090
  • want the nation to hear?
  • 00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:56.000
  • And I want you to look, Pastor,
  • 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.030
  • into that camera and talk to all
  • 00:30:57.030 --> 00:30:58.130
  • the people around the world
  • 00:30:58.130 --> 00:30:59.260
  • 'cause we got people that are
  • 00:30:59.260 --> 00:31:00.190
  • watching this from all over
  • 00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:01.240
  • the world that want that same
  • 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.200
  • hope.
  • 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.230
  • They want that same sense of
  • 00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:05.150
  • fulfillment but they wanna know
  • 00:31:05.150 --> 00:31:06.140
  • that there is the hedge of
  • 00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:08.050
  • protection.
  • 00:31:08.050 --> 00:31:08.200
  • They wanna know that there is
  • 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:09.180
  • hope, that there is an answer to
  • 00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:11.020
  • what is, in all appearances,
  • 00:31:11.020 --> 00:31:13.000
  • and problem, that they may be
  • 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.250
  • dealing with or the country may
  • 00:31:16.250 --> 00:31:17.250
  • be dealing with.
  • 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:18.180
  • Pastor.
  • 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:19.050
  • - Ralph: Absolutely.
  • 00:31:19.050 --> 00:31:19.250
  • Well, one thing we would share
  • 00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:20.250
  • with you, make sure that you
  • 00:31:20.250 --> 00:31:21.280
  • have faith in God.
  • 00:31:21.280 --> 00:31:23.120
  • God is still the answer.
  • 00:31:23.120 --> 00:31:25.200
  • No matter what other people may
  • 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.230
  • God is the answer.
  • 00:31:28.290 --> 00:31:30.120
  • You must pick up your Bible and
  • 00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:32.030
  • read the Word of God every day.
  • 00:31:32.030 --> 00:31:33.180
  • That Word will feed what is
  • 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.020
  • known as your inner man.
  • 00:31:35.020 --> 00:31:36.050
  • It will give you strength to
  • 00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:37.160
  • stand in these evil days.
  • 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.050
  • The--listen, please
  • 00:31:39.050 --> 00:31:40.220
  • understand this.
  • 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:41.200
  • The worst of days have
  • 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.080
  • yet to come.
  • 00:31:43.080 --> 00:31:43.280
  • So therefore,
  • 00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:44.190
  • you're going to need help.
  • 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:45.190
  • Your help comes from the Lord,
  • 00:31:45.190 --> 00:31:47.060
  • Psalm 121.
  • 00:31:47.060 --> 00:31:48.250
  • Psalm 91 will help us
  • 00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:50.160
  • to understand that we can have
  • 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.090
  • faith in a God that is Almighty,
  • 00:31:52.090 --> 00:31:54.130
  • a God that is all-powerful, a
  • 00:31:54.130 --> 00:31:56.010
  • God that is all anoint.
  • 00:31:56.010 --> 00:31:57.110
  • He cares for you.
  • 00:31:57.110 --> 00:31:58.270
  • He loves you.
  • 00:31:58.270 --> 00:31:59.290
  • We, the church of Jesus Christ,
  • 00:31:59.290 --> 00:32:01.200
  • we love you.
  • 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.240
  • And we're going to do everything
  • 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.280
  • we can as a ministry to
  • 00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:05.180
  • intercede on your behalf so that
  • 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:07.070
  • you, my sisters and my brothers,
  • 00:32:07.070 --> 00:32:09.020
  • can find the hope and the faith
  • 00:32:09.020 --> 00:32:11.000
  • that we preach and we teach
  • 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.120
  • about, that we live every day.
  • 00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:14.070
  • Because there's power
  • 00:32:14.070 --> 00:32:15.070
  • in living the Word of God.
  • 00:32:15.070 --> 00:32:16.130
  • Have faith in God.
  • 00:32:16.130 --> 00:32:17.280
  • - Jay: You just gave a message
  • 00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:19.230
  • of hope.
  • 00:32:19.230 --> 00:32:20.180
  • You gave a message of
  • 00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:21.120
  • commitment.
  • 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.090
  • I look right now and say
  • 00:32:22.090 --> 00:32:24.040
  • that that message needs to
  • 00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:26.190
  • be resounded from the hilltop
  • 00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:27.250
  • to hilltop.
  • 00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:28.240
  • That we need to sense that hope,
  • 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.130
  • that people need to sense that
  • 00:32:30.130 --> 00:32:31.200
  • hope and I'm hoping that our
  • 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.220
  • audience and really believing
  • 00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:34.040
  • that our audience that's
  • 00:32:34.040 --> 00:32:35.010
  • watching this broadcast right
  • 00:32:35.010 --> 00:32:36.030
  • now understand that even in
  • 00:32:36.030 --> 00:32:37.240
  • the nation's capital we realize
  • 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.030
  • who the King is.
  • 00:32:40.030 --> 00:32:41.100
  • Elections come and go.
  • 00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:43.250
  • Presidents come and go.
  • 00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:45.160
  • God is never changing and has
  • 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.210
  • been there since the beginning.
  • 00:32:47.210 --> 00:32:49.090
  • And will be there 'til
  • 00:32:49.090 --> 00:32:50.200
  • the very end of earth.
  • 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.220
  • And the reality is that is
  • 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:53.130
  • the King upon we serve.
  • 00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:54.090
  • Pastor?
  • 00:32:54.090 --> 00:32:54.290
  • - Ralph: Yes, sir?
  • 00:32:54.290 --> 00:32:55.150
  • - Jay: Thank you so much
  • 00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:56.040
  • for being with us.
  • 00:32:56.040 --> 00:32:56.190
  • - Ralph: Thank you.
  • 00:32:56.190 --> 00:32:57.050
  • Thank you for having me.
  • 00:32:57.050 --> 00:32:57.230
  • God bless you.
  • 00:32:57.230 --> 00:32:58.060
  • God bless you.
  • 00:32:58.060 --> 00:33:01.150
  • - Erick Stakelbeck: Well, she's
  • 00:33:07.010 --> 00:33:10.010
  • been called the future of Latin
  • 00:33:10.010 --> 00:33:11.170
  • Christian contemporary music,
  • 00:33:11.170 --> 00:33:13.230
  • D'Clario is with us today, fresh
  • 00:33:17.100 --> 00:33:18.160
  • off a world tour, by the way.
  • 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.250
  • Washington, D.C., and fresh off
  • 00:33:21.270 --> 00:33:23.010
  • Together 2016.
  • 00:33:23.010 --> 00:33:24.190
  • Christine, first of all,
  • 00:33:24.190 --> 00:33:25.210
  • great to have you with us.
  • 00:33:25.210 --> 00:33:26.180
  • - Christine: Thank you.
  • 00:33:26.180 --> 00:33:28.130
  • - Erick: And we know you're
  • 00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:29.030
  • heading home.
  • 00:33:29.030 --> 00:33:29.190
  • Soon you get to sleep in your
  • 00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:30.140
  • own bed for a night at least
  • 00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:31.110
  • before you head back out
  • 00:33:31.110 --> 00:33:32.050
  • internationally.
  • 00:33:32.050 --> 00:33:33.040
  • With a new album out as well.
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  • Tell us, first of all,
  • 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.060
  • about Together 2016.
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  • This was an amazing event.
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  • Hundreds of thousands of people
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  • here in Washington, D.C.,
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  • of all places.
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  • Tell us what you saw there.
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  • When we were talking before
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  • the interview, you talked about
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  • Tell us a little bit about what
  • 00:33:49.040 --> 00:33:50.020
  • you saw there.
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  • - Christine: Well, the Bible
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  • says that blessed is the nation
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  • whom the Lord is their God.
  • 00:33:52.280 --> 00:33:54.230
  • And we were able to see that
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  • at Together 2016.
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  • Because we were able to see that
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  • seeing on the news, despite
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  • the wave of violence that
  • 00:34:02.250 --> 00:34:05.040
  • I think has been
  • 00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:06.030
  • one of the strongest
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  • that we've seen in generations,
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  • we still are alive, we're awake,
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  • we're receiving and we're
  • 00:34:10.220 --> 00:34:12.020
  • responding to the Spirit.
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  • And the remnant is alive.
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  • That remnant that prays
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  • every day, that asks God for
  • 00:34:16.270 --> 00:34:18.160
  • a powerful move in this country,
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  • most of them got together
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  • at the National Mall.
  • 00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:22.230
  • And it was amazing just to be on
  • 00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.160
  • a platform and to see people
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  • with their hands lifted up,
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  • crying out, standing in the gap
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  • for our nation.
  • 00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:30.160
  • And I think we're honored that
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  • there's still people who pray in
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  • our nation.
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  • - Erick: Yeah, and in these
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  • times, Christine, you know
  • 00:34:34.150 --> 00:34:35.110
  • the country is divided,
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  • unfortunately, in many ways.
  • 00:34:36.240 --> 00:34:37.290
  • The world is on fire, terrorism,
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  • everything else.
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  • And to come here to, in what is
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  • really still the most powerful
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  • city in the world, Washington,
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  • D.C., was an amazing thing.
  • 00:34:46.210 --> 00:34:48.160
  • And I think your message, praise
  • 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:50.150
  • and worship, is such a great
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  • thing in these times as well.
  • 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.180
  • Talk a little bit about the
  • 00:34:54.180 --> 00:34:55.170
  • message you were bringing
  • 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:56.280
  • to Together 2016
  • 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.110
  • through your music.
  • 00:34:58.110 --> 00:34:59.230
  • - Christine: Well, I had the
  • 00:34:59.230 --> 00:35:00.160
  • pleasure of singing praises
  • 00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:02.160
  • but not just singing pretty
  • 00:35:02.160 --> 00:35:04.030
  • music that talked about Jesus
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  • but ushering the people
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  • into having, I think,
  • 00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:08.110
  • a new encounter with God.
  • 00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:09.050
  • Not just, like, a mere
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  • experience that, "Oh, that
  • 00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:11.270
  • was nice," and you would forget
  • 00:35:11.270 --> 00:35:12.280
  • the next day.
  • 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.010
  • But an encounter that would
  • 00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:15.070
  • mark a before and an after
  • 00:35:15.070 --> 00:35:16.270
  • in the life of a believer.
  • 00:35:16.270 --> 00:35:18.110
  • That moment that you could say,
  • 00:35:18.110 --> 00:35:19.260
  • "I remember when I was at
  • 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.080
  • Together 2016 that all those
  • 00:35:21.080 --> 00:35:23.180
  • people, they got up and they put
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  • their names aside and they put
  • 00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:27.050
  • their titles and positions
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  • aside, and they focused
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  • on Jesus.
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  • That changed my life forever.
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  • That's what we were doing at
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  • Together 2016 and I had
  • 00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:33.210
  • the pleasure to join with
  • 00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:34.180
  • Sammy Rodriguez Jr. who's
  • 00:35:34.180 --> 00:35:36.100
  • a dear friend of mine.
  • 00:35:36.100 --> 00:35:37.100
  • And him bringing the Word and
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  • me being able to pray over
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  • the nation and worship us
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  • through what we're going
  • 00:35:43.010 --> 00:35:44.060
  • through, it was just
  • 00:35:44.060 --> 00:35:45.040
  • an amazing experience.
  • 00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:46.010
  • - Erick: Yeah, and you have
  • 00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:47.060
  • such a huge social media
  • 00:35:47.060 --> 00:35:48.230
  • following, Christine, and before
  • 00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:50.190
  • our interview I was checking out
  • 00:35:50.190 --> 00:35:51.240
  • some of your YouTube clips.
  • 00:35:51.240 --> 00:35:53.010
  • I think a Christine D'Clario
  • 00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:55.000
  • concert,
  • 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.190
  • it's not just a concert.
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  • I'd say it's an experience.
  • 00:35:57.250 --> 00:35:58.290
  • - Christine: It really is.
  • 00:35:58.290 --> 00:35:59.200
  • It really is.
  • 00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:00.150
  • And we pray and we fast
  • 00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:01.240
  • constantly that wherever we
  • 00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:04.050
  • present ourselves, it's just--we
  • 00:36:04.190 --> 00:36:07.190
  • just wanna be the key that opens
  • 00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:10.040
  • the door for people to come into
  • 00:36:10.040 --> 00:36:11.170
  • the quiet room of God
  • 00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:13.120
  • and have an encounter.
  • 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:14.200
  • We just basically set the table
  • 00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:16.220
  • and we, so to speak,
  • 00:36:16.220 --> 00:36:18.220
  • set a birthing room.
  • 00:36:18.220 --> 00:36:19.260
  • We--we're just, you know,
  • 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:21.270
  • the obstetricians of the Lord
  • 00:36:21.270 --> 00:36:23.050
  • where we just prepare a sterile
  • 00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:25.030
  • room, so to speak, in the Spirit
  • 00:36:25.030 --> 00:36:26.140
  • so that miracles can be birthed,
  • 00:36:26.140 --> 00:36:28.140
  • so that encounters
  • 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:29.220
  • can be birthed, so that
  • 00:36:29.220 --> 00:36:30.280
  • provision can be birthed.
  • 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.030
  • So that things in
  • 00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:33.110
  • the supernatural can happen and
  • 00:36:33.110 --> 00:36:34.200
  • come forth in the physical.
  • 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:36.090
  • And that's what we do when
  • 00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:37.110
  • we worship.
  • 00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:38.000
  • We just reach out to the God
  • 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.110
  • we're thankful for and we cry
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  • out to him and the wonderful
  • 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:42.260
  • thing is that every time we
  • 00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:43.280
  • do that, he responds
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  • and he manifests.
  • 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.270
  • - Erick: I wanna talk about
  • 00:36:45.270 --> 00:36:46.290
  • your world tour, the album.
  • 00:36:46.290 --> 00:36:48.140
  • But first of all, let's talk
  • 00:36:48.140 --> 00:36:50.240
  • about you a little bit,
  • 00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:51.190
  • Christine, your background.
  • 00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:52.220
  • Not always maybe walking with
  • 00:36:52.220 --> 00:36:54.260
  • the Lord in your younger years.
  • 00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:57.000
  • Maybe drifted a bit.
  • 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.270
  • Even contemplated suicide
  • 00:36:58.270 --> 00:37:00.210
  • for a time.
  • 00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:02.040
  • Tell us a little bit about your
  • 00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:03.000
  • background and how you became
  • 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.290
  • today, as I said in the lead-in,
  • 00:37:04.290 --> 00:37:06.260
  • really the face of Latin
  • 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:08.150
  • contemporary Christian music,
  • 00:37:08.150 --> 00:37:09.230
  • a lot of people are saying.
  • 00:37:09.230 --> 00:37:10.240
  • - Christine: Well, that's
  • 00:37:10.240 --> 00:37:11.200
  • a huge responsibility
  • 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:13.100
  • just hearing that.
  • 00:37:13.100 --> 00:37:14.250
  • But I'm grateful because
  • 00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:16.030
  • I am just a broken girl that
  • 00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:17.190
  • God made whole again.
  • 00:37:17.190 --> 00:37:18.170
  • I was born in New York, raised
  • 00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:19.270
  • in Puerto Rico.
  • 00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:20.290
  • My dad passed away when I was 6.
  • 00:37:20.290 --> 00:37:23.010
  • I was also sexually molested
  • 00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:24.130
  • when I was 5.
  • 00:37:24.130 --> 00:37:25.250
  • So I, early in life, started
  • 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.140
  • with a lot of brokenness
  • 00:37:27.140 --> 00:37:28.150
  • and then when Dad passed,
  • 00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:29.270
  • my mom remarried.
  • 00:37:29.270 --> 00:37:31.090
  • We moved to Puerto Rico.
  • 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:32.070
  • There was a strong identity
  • 00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:33.090
  • crisis that went on inside
  • 00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:34.130
  • of me.
  • 00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:35.050
  • I grew up with a lot of things
  • 00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:36.170
  • that were out of whack
  • 00:37:36.170 --> 00:37:37.110
  • emotionally.
  • 00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.110
  • But when I finally was able
  • 00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:39.250
  • to grow up, I grew up in
  • 00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:40.240
  • the church, by the way.
  • 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.280
  • I was a church girl all my life.
  • 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.070
  • And I developed into being
  • 00:37:43.070 --> 00:37:44.220
  • the worship leader of the church
  • 00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:46.080
  • I grew up in.
  • 00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.190
  • However, all these voids that
  • 00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:49.000
  • were inside of me, unresolved
  • 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.080
  • grief, issues with, you know,
  • 00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:53.260
  • just brokenness.
  • 00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:55.150
  • My heart was shattered
  • 00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:56.230
  • since I was a little girl.
  • 00:37:56.230 --> 00:37:58.090
  • So I took it out on God.
  • 00:37:58.090 --> 00:38:00.050
  • And I led a double life.
  • 00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:02.090
  • And in that double life I made
  • 00:38:02.090 --> 00:38:03.190
  • so many mistakes and I wasted
  • 00:38:03.190 --> 00:38:05.020
  • myself away, almost completely.
  • 00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:08.190
  • And in that critical time of
  • 00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:10.290
  • my life I did hit rock bottom.
  • 00:38:10.290 --> 00:38:13.120
  • I did contemplate suicide
  • 00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:14.180
  • on three occasions.
  • 00:38:14.180 --> 00:38:16.010
  • But the Lord had mercy on me.
  • 00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:18.160
  • And the day I cried out, he came
  • 00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:20.130
  • to my rescue and I've been
  • 00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:22.090
  • hanging on him ever since.
  • 00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:25.010
  • - Erick: Wow, and the Bible
  • 00:38:25.010 --> 00:38:25.290
  • says God will restore those
  • 00:38:25.290 --> 00:38:26.290
  • years that the locusts
  • 00:38:26.290 --> 00:38:27.280
  • stayed away.
  • 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:28.260
  • He'll restore them and look how
  • 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.280
  • he's restoring you now.
  • 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.260
  • As a Latino artist too, we have
  • 00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:34.000
  • a growing Latino population here
  • 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.190
  • in the United States.
  • 00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:37.050
  • Do you take a--with the growing
  • 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:39.080
  • Latino population, a growing
  • 00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.200
  • Latino influence, as a Latino
  • 00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:42.120
  • artist and you're in Latin
  • 00:38:42.120 --> 00:38:44.020
  • America frequently as part of
  • 00:38:44.020 --> 00:38:45.070
  • this world tour right now.
  • 00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:46.240
  • You're going to El Salvador
  • 00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:47.160
  • soon.
  • 00:38:47.160 --> 00:38:48.060
  • Talk about resonating with
  • 00:38:48.060 --> 00:38:50.130
  • the Latin people here in the US
  • 00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.160
  • and around the world and how
  • 00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:53.170
  • that's so special for you.
  • 00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:54.270
  • - Christine: Well, Hispanics,
  • 00:38:54.270 --> 00:38:55.240
  • we have this unspoken thing,
  • 00:38:55.240 --> 00:38:58.070
  • that we can find each other
  • 00:38:58.070 --> 00:38:59.280
  • anywhere and we can just start
  • 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.140
  • a conversation in 2 words and 3
  • 00:39:01.140 --> 00:39:04.090
  • hours later we're still into it.
  • 00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:06.000
  • There's a familiarity about us.
  • 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.100
  • I guess that many of us in our
  • 00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:10.280
  • different countries in Latin
  • 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.050
  • America, we've had to face
  • 00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:13.070
  • very similar hardships and we
  • 00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:15.070
  • just understand the struggle.
  • 00:39:15.070 --> 00:39:17.120
  • Struggle is real, especially
  • 00:39:17.120 --> 00:39:19.060
  • when we're predominantly
  • 00:39:19.060 --> 00:39:21.160
  • immigrants, trying to adjust
  • 00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:23.110
  • to new cultures.
  • 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:24.250
  • And one thing is true about
  • 00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:27.030
  • the Hispanic community
  • 00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:28.100
  • is that we're very passionate.
  • 00:39:28.100 --> 00:39:30.150
  • And that's one of the highlights
  • 00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:32.010
  • every time I get to worship
  • 00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:33.210
  • with Latinos.
  • 00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:35.000
  • We are all out for the Lord.
  • 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.060
  • We are outwardly expressive
  • 00:39:37.060 --> 00:39:38.180
  • in our worship.
  • 00:39:38.180 --> 00:39:39.200
  • We love raising our hands.
  • 00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:41.060
  • We love telling other people of
  • 00:39:41.060 --> 00:39:42.180
  • the great things that the Lord
  • 00:39:42.180 --> 00:39:44.040
  • has done in me.
  • 00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:45.050
  • And I think that the very same
  • 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:47.040
  • awakening that we witnessed here
  • 00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:48.180
  • at Together 2016 is something
  • 00:39:48.180 --> 00:39:50.020
  • that's not just happening here
  • 00:39:50.020 --> 00:39:51.110
  • but it's resonating
  • 00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:52.140
  • in the nations.
  • 00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:53.120
  • And I think the Lord is
  • 00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:54.270
  • awakening the church and we're
  • 00:39:54.270 --> 00:39:56.060
  • finally getting soon to a very
  • 00:39:56.060 --> 00:39:58.160
  • powerful, very strong, intense
  • 00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:00.250
  • revival that we've been promised
  • 00:40:00.250 --> 00:40:02.210
  • in the latter days.
  • 00:40:02.210 --> 00:40:03.250
  • And the foreshadow of every move
  • 00:40:03.250 --> 00:40:05.230
  • of God is unity.
  • 00:40:05.230 --> 00:40:06.290
  • So there are clusters that
  • 00:40:06.290 --> 00:40:09.080
  • are uniting in every nation
  • 00:40:09.080 --> 00:40:10.280
  • that I go to.
  • 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.020
  • We see it in our events.
  • 00:40:12.020 --> 00:40:13.080
  • We try to get the people to
  • 00:40:13.080 --> 00:40:15.160
  • unite and cross the borders of
  • 00:40:15.160 --> 00:40:17.040
  • their different churches and
  • 00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:18.090
  • their different councils and
  • 00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:19.230
  • just proclaim the name of Jesus
  • 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:22.060
  • and not any other name.
  • 00:40:22.060 --> 00:40:23.150
  • And I think this call and this
  • 00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:25.240
  • yearning in our hearts, it's
  • 00:40:25.240 --> 00:40:27.000
  • working.
  • 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.000
  • The people are getting together
  • 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.200
  • and I know that there's a very
  • 00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:31.010
  • strong revival that has already
  • 00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:32.090
  • begun and it'll just get bigger
  • 00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:33.290
  • and bigger from here on out.
  • 00:40:33.290 --> 00:40:34.280
  • - Erick: Yeah, and it couldn't
  • 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.020
  • come at a better time.
  • 00:40:36.020 --> 00:40:37.020
  • Christine, how does that impact
  • 00:40:37.020 --> 00:40:38.030
  • your work and you're writing
  • 00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:39.070
  • new songs.
  • 00:40:39.070 --> 00:40:40.000
  • You see these exciting things
  • 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.000
  • going on in the church,
  • 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:42.160
  • around the world.
  • 00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:43.040
  • You're traveling constantly.
  • 00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:44.130
  • You see what God's doing in the
  • 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:45.110
  • body of Christ, Latin America
  • 00:40:45.110 --> 00:40:46.260
  • and everywhere, really.
  • 00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:48.080
  • How does that affect your
  • 00:40:48.080 --> 00:40:49.080
  • material, your writing?
  • 00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:51.050
  • How does that give you some
  • 00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:52.010
  • inspiration?
  • 00:40:52.010 --> 00:40:52.230
  • - Christine: It is definitely
  • 00:40:52.230 --> 00:40:53.200
  • a fan to my flame.
  • 00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:54.240
  • Definitely.
  • 00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:55.280
  • To be able to see that when the
  • 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.080
  • church unites and when they get
  • 00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:59.240
  • together, there is salvation.
  • 00:40:59.240 --> 00:41:02.000
  • There is healing.
  • 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.040
  • There are miracles.
  • 00:41:04.040 --> 00:41:05.160
  • There's unspoken things from
  • 00:41:05.160 --> 00:41:07.110
  • heaven that are deposited on us.
  • 00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.180
  • That, to me, is like, whoa.
  • 00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:12.140
  • I could get three or four songs
  • 00:41:12.140 --> 00:41:13.240
  • out of this.
  • 00:41:13.240 --> 00:41:15.010
  • I can get, I don't know how many
  • 00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:16.130
  • blog posts out of it.
  • 00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:17.160
  • And more than anything, if we
  • 00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:19.030
  • keep our minds on not just
  • 00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:22.000
  • blessing the people but blessing
  • 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.270
  • the Lord in everything we do,
  • 00:41:23.270 --> 00:41:25.160
  • I think our songs
  • 00:41:25.160 --> 00:41:26.210
  • can do so much more.
  • 00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:28.130
  • So witnessing what the Lord
  • 00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:29.250
  • is doing makes us write great
  • 00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:31.170
  • things, but when we do it to
  • 00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:32.200
  • bless him and then he, in turn,
  • 00:41:32.200 --> 00:41:34.040
  • blesses the people, it's like
  • 00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:35.250
  • a self-feeding cycle of sorts.
  • 00:41:36.080 --> 00:41:39.080
  • And, yes, this definitely
  • 00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:40.220
  • fans my flame.
  • 00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:41.190
  • - Erick: You know, there's so
  • 00:41:41.190 --> 00:41:42.200
  • much--there's encouraging things
  • 00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:44.180
  • going on in the world as you
  • 00:41:44.180 --> 00:41:45.280
  • described just a second ago.
  • 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.160
  • There's a lot of pain in
  • 00:41:47.160 --> 00:41:48.210
  • the world right now too.
  • 00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:50.090
  • We're seeing terrorism, we're
  • 00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:51.280
  • seeing racial division, people
  • 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.120
  • are at each other's throats
  • 00:41:53.120 --> 00:41:54.260
  • quite literally in the US.
  • 00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:56.220
  • We see the rise in terror,
  • 00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:58.140
  • innocent people being killed
  • 00:41:58.140 --> 00:41:59.160
  • around the world.
  • 00:41:59.160 --> 00:42:00.140
  • A lot of conflict, a lot of war.
  • 00:42:00.140 --> 00:42:02.030
  • How does your music provide
  • 00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:05.190
  • an answer to that?
  • 00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:07.140
  • I know, Jesus is at the heart of
  • 00:42:07.140 --> 00:42:08.150
  • it, obviously.
  • 00:42:08.150 --> 00:42:09.080
  • I guess that's the ultimate
  • 00:42:09.080 --> 00:42:10.150
  • answer, right?
  • 00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:11.040
  • I mean, found in--someone who's
  • 00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:12.210
  • hurting and you went through
  • 00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:14.010
  • personal turmoil yourself in
  • 00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:15.140
  • your life.
  • 00:42:15.140 --> 00:42:16.110
  • You were hurting at times.
  • 00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:17.040
  • Someone who's hurting can come,
  • 00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:18.280
  • buy your album, come to one of
  • 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.190
  • your shows, and be lifted up
  • 00:42:20.190 --> 00:42:22.050
  • through the power of Jesus.
  • 00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:23.100
  • - Christine: Well, we find
  • 00:42:23.100 --> 00:42:25.130
  • a lot of people that are just
  • 00:42:26.020 --> 00:42:29.020
  • hurting throughout
  • 00:42:29.020 --> 00:42:31.190
  • our different events.
  • 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:32.180
  • Constantly in my meet and
  • 00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:34.050
  • greets, sometimes they turn into
  • 00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:35.170
  • prayer meetings 'cause there's
  • 00:42:35.170 --> 00:42:37.000
  • so many broken people that need
  • 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.170
  • an answer and we've been taught
  • 00:42:38.170 --> 00:42:40.100
  • through generations to focus our
  • 00:42:40.100 --> 00:42:42.110
  • eyes on a person that we can see
  • 00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:44.120
  • and we can touch and we can talk
  • 00:42:44.120 --> 00:42:46.140
  • to and hear them audibly.
  • 00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:48.180
  • But I think it goes deeper than
  • 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.000
  • that because greater is he
  • 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.230
  • living in me than he
  • 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.280
  • who is in the world.
  • 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.150
  • So yes, when people admire an
  • 00:42:59.150 --> 00:43:01.080
  • artist and come to see them and
  • 00:43:01.080 --> 00:43:03.080
  • gather, as artist, I have to be
  • 00:43:03.080 --> 00:43:05.160
  • responsible to show the greater,
  • 00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.030
  • which is the one in me that's
  • 00:43:08.030 --> 00:43:10.180
  • doing the work that I get to put
  • 00:43:10.180 --> 00:43:12.070
  • my name on.
  • 00:43:12.070 --> 00:43:13.140
  • - Erick: Could you maybe just
  • 00:43:13.140 --> 00:43:15.060
  • look into the camera and give us
  • 00:43:15.060 --> 00:43:16.100
  • a few words of encouragement
  • 00:43:16.100 --> 00:43:18.090
  • about what the Lord is doing
  • 00:43:18.090 --> 00:43:20.020
  • today and what--the good things
  • 00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:21.110
  • that are happening.
  • 00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:22.150
  • It's dark times, perilous times
  • 00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:23.220
  • we live in.
  • 00:43:23.220 --> 00:43:24.180
  • But God still sits on
  • 00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:26.030
  • the throne.
  • 00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:26.280
  • - Christine: For those that are
  • 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.270
  • watching, it's very important
  • 00:43:27.270 --> 00:43:29.220
  • that you understand one thing.
  • 00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:31.260
  • In everything you do and
  • 00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:33.000
  • everything you want to do and in
  • 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.070
  • everything you don't wanna do
  • 00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:37.100
  • in life, Jesus understands.
  • 00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:41.110
  • He gets you.
  • 00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:43.150
  • He knows every challenge,
  • 00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:44.100
  • he knows every trial.
  • 00:43:44.100 --> 00:43:46.000
  • He knows ever tear,
  • 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:47.160
  • he knows every smile.
  • 00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:48.280
  • But above anything, he loves you
  • 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.200
  • with the deepest and most
  • 00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:54.000
  • perfect and pure of loves.
  • 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.210
  • So if you would just let him be
  • 00:43:56.210 --> 00:43:58.140
  • the true King of your heart and
  • 00:43:58.140 --> 00:44:00.050
  • the ruler of your entire life,
  • 00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:03.200
  • things are gonna start changing
  • 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.060
  • and you're gonna start seeing
  • 00:44:05.060 --> 00:44:06.060
  • his glory.
  • 00:44:06.060 --> 00:44:07.050
  • And you're gonna start seeing
  • 00:44:07.050 --> 00:44:08.110
  • an increase in areas
  • 00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:09.220
  • you never thought could exist.
  • 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.260
  • So I bless you in the name of
  • 00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.070
  • Jesus and I pray that you
  • 00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:14.160
  • can make him
  • 00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:16.060
  • can make him
  • 00:44:16.060 --> 00:44:18.040
  • - Jay: Well, joining us
  • 00:44:25.240 --> 00:44:28.240
  • on the set right now is
  • 00:44:28.240 --> 00:44:29.210
  • a very good friend of mine.
  • 00:44:29.210 --> 00:44:30.150
  • We go back a long way.
  • 00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:31.060
  • David Brog.
  • 00:44:31.060 --> 00:44:31.280
  • I knew--David, we've known each
  • 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:33.060
  • other since your days right here
  • 00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:34.030
  • in the Senate and it's great to
  • 00:44:34.030 --> 00:44:36.160
  • have you on the set.
  • 00:44:36.160 --> 00:44:37.110
  • It's great to see you again.
  • 00:44:37.110 --> 00:44:38.070
  • - David: Hey, always great
  • 00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:39.020
  • to see you, friend.
  • 00:44:39.020 --> 00:44:39.280
  • - Jay: Let's talk about
  • 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:40.240
  • a passion that you and I share.
  • 00:44:40.240 --> 00:44:42.120
  • We've been talking about this
  • 00:44:42.120 --> 00:44:43.140
  • for many, many years and that
  • 00:44:43.140 --> 00:44:44.170
  • is Israel.
  • 00:44:44.170 --> 00:44:45.290
  • You're on the board of CUFI,
  • 00:44:45.290 --> 00:44:48.190
  • Christians United For Israel.
  • 00:44:48.190 --> 00:44:49.200
  • What do you see right now as
  • 00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:51.010
  • you look at the situation, both
  • 00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:52.040
  • domestically here in
  • 00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:54.050
  • the United States,
  • 00:44:54.050 --> 00:44:54.240
  • but for Israel as well,
  • 00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:55.230
  • as the great challenge facing
  • 00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:57.050
  • the Jewish state?
  • 00:44:57.050 --> 00:44:58.170
  • - David: I think the greatest
  • 00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:00.160
  • challenge facing the Jewish
  • 00:45:00.160 --> 00:45:01.130
  • state are the lies being told
  • 00:45:01.130 --> 00:45:03.100
  • about Israel.
  • 00:45:03.100 --> 00:45:04.210
  • Israel's enemies have gotten
  • 00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:06.010
  • smarter.
  • 00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:08.150
  • The anti-Israel crowd used to
  • 00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:09.250
  • thick Arabic accents and
  • 00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:13.190
  • talk about killing the Jews.
  • 00:45:13.190 --> 00:45:15.200
  • That didn't sell well with our
  • 00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:17.070
  • country, with our peace-loving,
  • 00:45:17.070 --> 00:45:18.250
  • justice-loving country.
  • 00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:20.280
  • They've gotten smarter.
  • 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.070
  • The new face of anti-Israel hate
  • 00:45:22.070 --> 00:45:24.110
  • are hip millennials, often
  • 00:45:25.140 --> 00:45:28.140
  • Christians, going to our young
  • 00:45:28.140 --> 00:45:30.260
  • people including evangelicals,
  • 00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:33.030
  • including churches, and saying,
  • 00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:35.010
  • "You know what?
  • 00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:36.100
  • Jesus stood with the poor
  • 00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:38.090
  • and the downtrodden
  • 00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:39.030
  • and the oppressed.
  • 00:45:39.030 --> 00:45:40.170
  • You wanna be a follower of
  • 00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:41.220
  • Jesus, you wanna stand
  • 00:45:41.220 --> 00:45:43.040
  • with the oppressed.
  • 00:45:43.040 --> 00:45:44.020
  • And in this conflict,
  • 00:45:44.020 --> 00:45:45.170
  • the oppressed
  • 00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.110
  • are the Palestinians.
  • 00:45:46.110 --> 00:45:47.200
  • The oppressor are the Israelis.
  • 00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:48.290
  • Your parents' generation
  • 00:45:48.290 --> 00:45:50.050
  • got it wrong."
  • 00:45:50.050 --> 00:45:51.060
  • And not knowing better,
  • 00:45:51.060 --> 00:45:52.090
  • they believe it.
  • 00:45:52.090 --> 00:45:53.180
  • - Jay: Yeah, this is a--this is
  • 00:45:53.180 --> 00:45:54.200
  • something I'm, you know, I've
  • 00:45:54.200 --> 00:45:55.140
  • talked about this before but
  • 00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:56.080
  • something I'm very concerned
  • 00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:56.290
  • about.
  • 00:45:56.290 --> 00:45:57.190
  • I see it.
  • 00:45:57.190 --> 00:45:58.090
  • I witness it.
  • 00:45:58.090 --> 00:45:59.190
  • And I talk to students about it.
  • 00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:01.110
  • I even see this among Jewish
  • 00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:02.140
  • students.
  • 00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:03.080
  • I mean, we've talked about that.
  • 00:46:03.080 --> 00:46:04.160
  • I mean, sometimes, the activist
  • 00:46:04.160 --> 00:46:06.060
  • on the campus that's anti-Israel
  • 00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:08.180
  • must--he's not anti-Jewish,
  • 00:46:08.180 --> 00:46:09.250
  • they'll say.
  • 00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:10.170
  • It's anti-Israel.
  • 00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:11.140
  • But the fact of the matter
  • 00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:12.130
  • is you mentioned
  • 00:46:12.130 --> 00:46:13.100
  • the sophistication,
  • 00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:14.000
  • 'cause that's what it is.
  • 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:14.190
  • It's no longer the stereotypical
  • 00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:17.080
  • image of what you would have as
  • 00:46:17.080 --> 00:46:18.160
  • a pro-Palestinian activist.
  • 00:46:18.160 --> 00:46:20.050
  • I witnessed this firsthand
  • 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:21.190
  • at the United Nations
  • 00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:22.180
  • not that many years ago.
  • 00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:23.160
  • Our organization, with the ACLJ
  • 00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:25.120
  • affiliate in Europe, was up for
  • 00:46:25.120 --> 00:46:26.230
  • a status at the UN to be an NGO.
  • 00:46:26.230 --> 00:46:28.290
  • And we were getting a lot of
  • 00:46:28.290 --> 00:46:30.040
  • pushback.
  • 00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:30.280
  • And I watched the representative
  • 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.080
  • from the Palestinian Liberation
  • 00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:33.220
  • Organization, it said PLO in
  • 00:46:33.220 --> 00:46:35.030
  • those days, work the crowd.
  • 00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:37.080
  • Work the members.
  • 00:46:37.080 --> 00:46:38.260
  • Now we ultimately got it but it
  • 00:46:38.260 --> 00:46:40.120
  • was not the old method of
  • 00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:42.000
  • advocacy, if you will.
  • 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.040
  • They changed their methods and
  • 00:46:44.040 --> 00:46:45.240
  • their--you see this, I mean,
  • 00:46:45.240 --> 00:46:47.020
  • look, you see it with
  • 00:46:47.020 --> 00:46:47.280
  • terrorists, you see it
  • 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:48.200
  • with everybody.
  • 00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:49.170
  • They're utilizing the media.
  • 00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:50.140
  • So let's talk about Christians
  • 00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:52.230
  • United For Israel's got a long
  • 00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:53.170
  • history.
  • 00:46:53.170 --> 00:46:54.170
  • Now you were there since
  • 00:46:54.170 --> 00:46:55.090
  • the beginning and still
  • 00:46:55.090 --> 00:46:56.100
  • on the board.
  • 00:46:56.100 --> 00:46:57.040
  • Talk about the rationale,
  • 00:46:57.040 --> 00:46:58.210
  • the purpose,
  • 00:46:58.210 --> 00:46:59.060
  • the reason it exists.
  • 00:46:59.060 --> 00:47:00.080
  • - David: Sure.
  • 00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:01.050
  • What our founder,
  • 00:47:01.050 --> 00:47:03.150
  • Pastor John Hagee,
  • 00:47:03.150 --> 00:47:04.260
  • noticed, his really
  • 00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.280
  • important insight.
  • 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.110
  • This is back in 2006, was that
  • 00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:10.190
  • there were millions of
  • 00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:11.260
  • Christians across the country
  • 00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.100
  • who loved Israel,
  • 00:47:13.100 --> 00:47:14.210
  • prayed for Israel.
  • 00:47:14.210 --> 00:47:16.020
  • They gather together in their
  • 00:47:16.020 --> 00:47:17.150
  • churches to sing Israeli songs
  • 00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:19.090
  • or connect with the Jewish roots
  • 00:47:19.090 --> 00:47:20.210
  • of the Christian faith.
  • 00:47:20.210 --> 00:47:21.290
  • But this massive force was not
  • 00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:25.140
  • yet organized to speak with one
  • 00:47:25.140 --> 00:47:27.020
  • voice to our leaders here in
  • 00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:28.200
  • Washington.
  • 00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:29.220
  • The much smaller Jewish
  • 00:47:29.220 --> 00:47:31.020
  • community was organized
  • 00:47:31.020 --> 00:47:32.060
  • and was politically active and
  • 00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:33.180
  • politically powerful
  • 00:47:33.180 --> 00:47:34.170
  • on behalf of Israel.
  • 00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:35.200
  • But that's not enough.
  • 00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.090
  • And the mission of Christians
  • 00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.160
  • United For Israel from day one
  • 00:47:39.160 --> 00:47:41.010
  • was to unite pro-Israel
  • 00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:42.260
  • Christians, no matter what their
  • 00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:44.160
  • denomination, no matter what
  • 00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:45.240
  • their style of worship.
  • 00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:47.110
  • Bring them together so
  • 00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:48.200
  • the Christian community could
  • 00:47:48.200 --> 00:47:50.170
  • speak with one voice and
  • 00:47:50.170 --> 00:47:51.110
  • tell Congress a message
  • 00:47:51.110 --> 00:47:52.120
  • that they're still getting and
  • 00:47:52.120 --> 00:47:53.160
  • still understanding: Israel's
  • 00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:55.030
  • not just a Jewish issue.
  • 00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:56.190
  • It is a Christian issue and,
  • 00:47:56.190 --> 00:47:58.050
  • more than anything,
  • 00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:59.030
  • it's an American issue.
  • 00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:00.040
  • - Jay: Right.
  • 00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:00.260
  • You look at this situation
  • 00:48:00.260 --> 00:48:01.200
  • right now.
  • 00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:02.180
  • I mean, we--Israel since
  • 00:48:02.180 --> 00:48:03.260
  • its--the rebirth of Israel,
  • 00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:05.080
  • the neighborhood
  • 00:48:05.080 --> 00:48:06.280
  • has never been stable.
  • 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.130
  • The neighborhood is now more
  • 00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:09.080
  • unstable than it's ever been and
  • 00:48:09.080 --> 00:48:10.250
  • part of that is the nature of
  • 00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.270
  • the body politic.
  • 00:48:12.270 --> 00:48:14.080
  • The region is unstable,
  • 00:48:14.080 --> 00:48:15.170
  • that makes relations unstable.
  • 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.100
  • You had the Arab Spring.
  • 00:48:17.100 --> 00:48:18.100
  • Did not go exactly as people
  • 00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:19.220
  • thought it was gonna go.
  • 00:48:19.220 --> 00:48:20.170
  • They were hope this idea.
  • 00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:21.170
  • And I always said this idea of
  • 00:48:21.170 --> 00:48:22.180
  • importing Jeffersonian democracy
  • 00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:24.260
  • into the Middle East doesn't
  • 00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:25.260
  • generally work out too well.
  • 00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:27.080
  • Israel's, like,
  • 00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:28.050
  • the lone exception to where
  • 00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:29.090
  • that has worked.
  • 00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:30.040
  • I mean, generally, it does not.
  • 00:48:30.040 --> 00:48:31.110
  • But you look at the situation
  • 00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:32.140
  • right now, David, and, as a
  • 00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:33.080
  • student of this, and I know you
  • 00:48:33.080 --> 00:48:34.170
  • are, you look at the--besides
  • 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:36.110
  • the lies and the deception,
  • 00:48:36.110 --> 00:48:38.090
  • you look at the area in which
  • 00:48:38.090 --> 00:48:40.150
  • Israel's operating right now and
  • 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:41.230
  • the transition, the changes,
  • 00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:43.010
  • the situation unfolding on--
  • 00:48:43.010 --> 00:48:44.230
  • almost on a daily basis, you
  • 00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:46.220
  • know, and you've got a dictator
  • 00:48:46.220 --> 00:48:47.190
  • in power but is the group
  • 00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:48.150
  • behind the dictator
  • 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:49.120
  • worse than that group?
  • 00:48:49.120 --> 00:48:50.140
  • I mean, how do you educate--what
  • 00:48:50.140 --> 00:48:53.030
  • is the process of that coup he's
  • 00:48:53.030 --> 00:48:54.130
  • engaged in right now to educate
  • 00:48:54.130 --> 00:48:55.290
  • the members of the organization,
  • 00:48:55.290 --> 00:48:58.110
  • the churches, the--and others to
  • 00:48:58.110 --> 00:48:59.190
  • engage this, with that kind of
  • 00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:01.080
  • understanding of the,
  • 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:02.180
  • I would call it the intrigue
  • 00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:03.190
  • of the Middle East?
  • 00:49:03.190 --> 00:49:05.030
  • - David: You know, tragically,
  • 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:08.040
  • I mean, tragically, I think our
  • 00:49:08.040 --> 00:49:10.050
  • job's gotten a little bit
  • 00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:11.190
  • easier lately.
  • 00:49:11.190 --> 00:49:13.040
  • I think people--human nature
  • 00:49:14.080 --> 00:49:17.080
  • leads us to want to deny that
  • 00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:19.030
  • there are people out there who
  • 00:49:19.030 --> 00:49:20.250
  • hate us and who are
  • 00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:22.160
  • out to get us.
  • 00:49:22.160 --> 00:49:23.290
  • It's not a pleasant feeling to
  • 00:49:23.290 --> 00:49:25.010
  • live your life thinking someone
  • 00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:26.150
  • out there is an enemy.
  • 00:49:26.150 --> 00:49:27.220
  • Someone running after you is
  • 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:29.010
  • someone who wants to get you.
  • 00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:31.200
  • So when Israel was being
  • 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:32.270
  • attacked by radical Islam, not
  • 00:49:32.270 --> 00:49:34.250
  • because of any Israeli policy
  • 00:49:34.250 --> 00:49:36.100
  • decision, but because radical
  • 00:49:36.100 --> 00:49:38.100
  • Islam hates Israel
  • 00:49:38.100 --> 00:49:40.090
  • and wants to destroy Israel.
  • 00:49:40.090 --> 00:49:42.100
  • You know, the Hamas Charter's
  • 00:49:42.100 --> 00:49:43.080
  • pretty clear on this.
  • 00:49:43.080 --> 00:49:44.120
  • Israel will exist until
  • 00:49:44.120 --> 00:49:46.010
  • Islam obliterates it.
  • 00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:48.240
  • I think people in the West
  • 00:49:48.240 --> 00:49:50.210
  • wanted to say, "Okay,
  • 00:49:50.210 --> 00:49:51.210
  • that must be Israel's problem
  • 00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:53.000
  • not our problem.
  • 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:54.080
  • They're out to get Israel maybe
  • 00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.200
  • because of some sin of Israel,
  • 00:49:55.200 --> 00:49:57.190
  • some mistake of Israel.
  • 00:49:57.190 --> 00:49:58.220
  • They're not out to get us."
  • 00:49:58.220 --> 00:50:01.080
  • Tragically, over the course of
  • 00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:02.260
  • the past year, what happens in
  • 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:04.190
  • Tel Aviv and Kiryat Arba has
  • 00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.270
  • been happening in Brussels and
  • 00:50:06.270 --> 00:50:08.060
  • Istanbul and Paris and Nice and
  • 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:11.060
  • San Bernardino and Orlando.
  • 00:50:11.060 --> 00:50:13.060
  • And I think people are starting
  • 00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.230
  • to realize maybe that attack in
  • 00:50:14.230 --> 00:50:16.070
  • Brussels was not because of
  • 00:50:16.070 --> 00:50:17.110
  • anything the Belgians have done.
  • 00:50:17.110 --> 00:50:19.110
  • Maybe the attack in
  • 00:50:19.110 --> 00:50:20.230
  • San Bernardino was not because
  • 00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:21.280
  • of anything America has done.
  • 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.060
  • So when we say Israel's enemies
  • 00:50:23.060 --> 00:50:25.130
  • are our enemies, Israel's fight
  • 00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:27.030
  • is our fight, I think it used to
  • 00:50:27.030 --> 00:50:28.110
  • fall on deaf ears.
  • 00:50:28.110 --> 00:50:29.260
  • Now, when we say it I think
  • 00:50:29.260 --> 00:50:30.290
  • people are open to
  • 00:50:30.290 --> 00:50:32.010
  • the proposition because they see
  • 00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:33.160
  • the face of hate that has Israel
  • 00:50:33.160 --> 00:50:35.190
  • and America in its sights.
  • 00:50:35.190 --> 00:50:37.270
  • - Jay: You know, one of the
  • 00:50:37.270 --> 00:50:38.210
  • great difficulties of the region
  • 00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:41.240
  • and one of the, I think, real
  • 00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:42.220
  • trials of--for this generation
  • 00:50:42.220 --> 00:50:45.020
  • is gonna be dealing with Iran.
  • 00:50:45.020 --> 00:50:46.290
  • The situation with Iran,
  • 00:50:46.290 --> 00:50:48.230
  • they're the largest state
  • 00:50:48.230 --> 00:50:49.280
  • sponsor of terror,
  • 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.000
  • it's the country that has
  • 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.180
  • the Israelis the most concerned.
  • 00:50:52.180 --> 00:50:54.050
  • It's the country that should
  • 00:50:54.050 --> 00:50:55.020
  • have us the most concerned,
  • 00:50:55.020 --> 00:50:55.250
  • frankly.
  • 00:50:55.250 --> 00:50:56.160
  • They are the largest state
  • 00:50:56.160 --> 00:50:57.090
  • sponsor of terror.
  • 00:50:57.090 --> 00:50:58.090
  • And unlike most of their other
  • 00:50:58.090 --> 00:51:01.070
  • regimes who either split down
  • 00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:02.270
  • the Sunni/Shia line, they will
  • 00:51:02.270 --> 00:51:04.120
  • utilize both elements within
  • 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:06.110
  • the--of the radical jihadists.
  • 00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:08.090
  • Inside of Islam, they'll support
  • 00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:10.100
  • a Shia--Iran will support
  • 00:51:10.100 --> 00:51:12.130
  • a Sunni Hamas, for that matter.
  • 00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:15.060
  • I mean, they, you know, in that
  • 00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:16.000
  • sense, because they view it
  • 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.160
  • as a common enemy.
  • 00:51:17.160 --> 00:51:18.240
  • How difficult do you see the
  • 00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:19.250
  • situation with Iran as it
  • 00:51:19.250 --> 00:51:21.000
  • relates to Israel?
  • 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.130
  • And also even domestically here?
  • 00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:23.090
  • - David: Well, you know,
  • 00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:24.170
  • it's--Iran's the perfect example
  • 00:51:24.170 --> 00:51:25.280
  • of this denial and of, I think,
  • 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.220
  • a failure of the liberal
  • 00:51:28.170 --> 00:51:31.170
  • imagination.
  • 00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:32.190
  • Because again, there's a belief
  • 00:51:32.190 --> 00:51:34.010
  • that if terrorists are attacking
  • 00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:36.030
  • Israel, Israel must be to blame.
  • 00:51:36.030 --> 00:51:38.180
  • And that if Iran is angry at us,
  • 00:51:38.180 --> 00:51:41.130
  • we must be to blame.
  • 00:51:41.130 --> 00:51:42.210
  • And the fundamental assumption
  • 00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:44.190
  • is there is no--and it's very
  • 00:51:44.190 --> 00:51:46.030
  • biblical but it's so clear.
  • 00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:47.200
  • The fundamental assumption is
  • 00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:49.200
  • there is no evil in the world.
  • 00:51:49.200 --> 00:51:51.180
  • So if someone is angry, they
  • 00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:53.130
  • must have a legitimate grievance
  • 00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:55.050
  • and you can sit down with them
  • 00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:56.150
  • and address their grievance
  • 00:51:56.150 --> 00:51:58.170
  • and come to an agreement.
  • 00:51:58.170 --> 00:51:59.280
  • That was the idea,
  • 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.010
  • the false idea,
  • 00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:03.030
  • that drove the deal with Iran.
  • 00:52:03.030 --> 00:52:05.010
  • And anyone who actually thought
  • 00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:07.100
  • the Iran deal might work should
  • 00:52:07.100 --> 00:52:09.090
  • have been sobered by everything
  • 00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:11.060
  • Iran has done in the 1 year
  • 00:52:11.060 --> 00:52:13.100
  • following the deal.
  • 00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:14.170
  • - Jay: Well, they did with our
  • 00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:15.090
  • Navy.
  • 00:52:15.090 --> 00:52:16.000
  • I mean, this United States Navy
  • 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.020
  • in the middle of the--ending
  • 00:52:17.020 --> 00:52:18.120
  • the negotiations, the Iranians
  • 00:52:18.120 --> 00:52:20.050
  • take--capture a Naval vessel
  • 00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:22.040
  • and humiliated our soldiers--
  • 00:52:22.040 --> 00:52:25.020
  • or sailors.
  • 00:52:25.020 --> 00:52:26.040
  • And it's--the outrage on that
  • 00:52:26.040 --> 00:52:27.090
  • is palpable.
  • 00:52:27.090 --> 00:52:28.090
  • Let's take it now
  • 00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:29.190
  • to domestically here.
  • 00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:30.210
  • I think we've got a challenge,
  • 00:52:30.210 --> 00:52:31.170
  • David.
  • 00:52:31.170 --> 00:52:32.100
  • And that's what I'm really
  • 00:52:32.100 --> 00:52:33.020
  • concerned about, it's that
  • 00:52:33.020 --> 00:52:34.120
  • I look at my generation.
  • 00:52:34.120 --> 00:52:35.140
  • Now I'm older than you but
  • 00:52:35.140 --> 00:52:36.220
  • I'm--I just turned 60 this year.
  • 00:52:36.220 --> 00:52:38.130
  • - David: Barely.
  • 00:52:38.130 --> 00:52:39.020
  • - Jay: Yeah, barely.
  • 00:52:39.020 --> 00:52:39.230
  • There you go.
  • 00:52:39.230 --> 00:52:40.140
  • I look at even the kids that are
  • 00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:42.270
  • younger than my children who are
  • 00:52:42.270 --> 00:52:44.030
  • now in their 30s,
  • 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.090
  • the 20-somethings.
  • 00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:47.020
  • And there the, I would call
  • 00:52:47.020 --> 00:52:49.130
  • the anti-Israel desire almost,
  • 00:52:49.240 --> 00:52:52.240
  • this, as you said, I think, so
  • 00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:54.210
  • eloquently, this idea that you,
  • 00:52:54.210 --> 00:52:55.270
  • you know, the underdog must be
  • 00:52:55.270 --> 00:52:56.280
  • the Palestinian people, thus
  • 00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.030
  • Israel's the bad actor here.
  • 00:52:58.030 --> 00:53:00.220
  • We've gotta really educate--I
  • 00:53:00.220 --> 00:53:02.160
  • had this conversation with
  • 00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:03.190
  • a guy the other day.
  • 00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:05.250
  • He was very influential
  • 00:53:05.250 --> 00:53:06.130
  • with millennials.
  • 00:53:06.130 --> 00:53:07.140
  • And it was two ships passing
  • 00:53:07.140 --> 00:53:09.080
  • in the night.
  • 00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:10.090
  • I said, "You know,
  • 00:53:10.090 --> 00:53:11.000
  • you're saying these things.
  • 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:11.260
  • You've not understanding
  • 00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:13.030
  • the nature of the region.
  • 00:53:13.030 --> 00:53:14.130
  • You're not putting yourself
  • 00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:16.000
  • in the--Israel is distinctively
  • 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.250
  • a Jewish state for a reason.
  • 00:53:17.250 --> 00:53:19.150
  • There is a history there.
  • 00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:20.130
  • I mean, my family was wiped out
  • 00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:21.220
  • in the Holocaust.
  • 00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:22.190
  • I mean, on my mother's side of
  • 00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:24.230
  • the family, my father's side,
  • 00:53:24.230 --> 00:53:25.240
  • both of our families'
  • 00:53:25.240 --> 00:53:26.190
  • cemeteries, my mother's and
  • 00:53:26.190 --> 00:53:27.200
  • father's, hundreds of relatives.
  • 00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:29.120
  • So there's--Israel rebirthed
  • 00:53:29.120 --> 00:53:31.250
  • as a nation with a purpose.
  • 00:53:31.250 --> 00:53:33.090
  • And it's as if its history
  • 00:53:33.090 --> 00:53:34.200
  • gets further and further back.
  • 00:53:34.200 --> 00:53:36.230
  • People are forgetting that
  • 00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:37.160
  • purpose.
  • 00:53:37.160 --> 00:53:38.120
  • - David: They're forgetting it
  • 00:53:38.120 --> 00:53:39.210
  • and you--I wanna say something
  • 00:53:39.210 --> 00:53:41.230
  • we started off by saying.
  • 00:53:41.230 --> 00:53:43.040
  • Israel's enemies have
  • 00:53:43.040 --> 00:53:44.020
  • gotten smarter.
  • 00:53:44.020 --> 00:53:45.000
  • You know, the first thing they
  • 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.100
  • tried to do was destroy Israel
  • 00:53:46.100 --> 00:53:48.220
  • through a military
  • 00:53:48.220 --> 00:53:49.250
  • conventional war.
  • 00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:51.210
  • Five Arab armies invaded Israel
  • 00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:53.230
  • the day after it was recognized
  • 00:53:53.230 --> 00:53:55.010
  • by the United Nations
  • 00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:56.080
  • and tried to destroy it through
  • 00:53:56.080 --> 00:53:57.070
  • conventional war.
  • 00:53:57.070 --> 00:53:58.020
  • They failed.
  • 00:53:58.020 --> 00:53:58.290
  • '67 they tried to destroy Israel
  • 00:53:58.290 --> 00:54:00.200
  • through conventional war.
  • 00:54:00.200 --> 00:54:01.200
  • They failed.
  • 00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:02.230
  • '73 they tried through
  • 00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:03.200
  • conventional war.
  • 00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:04.160
  • They failed.
  • 00:54:04.160 --> 00:54:05.070
  • That gave birth to a new tactic:
  • 00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:07.030
  • terrorism and suicide bombing.
  • 00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:09.210
  • Well, eventually, Israel learned
  • 00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:11.140
  • how to stop the suicide bombers
  • 00:54:11.140 --> 00:54:13.070
  • and the terrorism by building
  • 00:54:13.070 --> 00:54:14.150
  • a security fence.
  • 00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:16.080
  • So they tried a new tactic,
  • 00:54:16.080 --> 00:54:17.210
  • missiles, firing missiles
  • 00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:18.240
  • into Israel.
  • 00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:19.240
  • Israel invented the Iron Dome.
  • 00:54:19.240 --> 00:54:21.060
  • The missiles aren't as
  • 00:54:21.060 --> 00:54:22.000
  • effective.
  • 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:22.170
  • Now they're trying to burrow
  • 00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:23.090
  • underground and trying to
  • 00:54:23.090 --> 00:54:24.290
  • destroy Israel through tunnels.
  • 00:54:24.290 --> 00:54:26.170
  • At the same time,
  • 00:54:26.170 --> 00:54:27.150
  • they realize something.
  • 00:54:27.150 --> 00:54:29.010
  • Their best hope lays
  • 00:54:29.010 --> 00:54:30.270
  • in destroying and severing
  • 00:54:30.270 --> 00:54:32.100
  • the bonds between Israel
  • 00:54:32.100 --> 00:54:34.030
  • and the United States.
  • 00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:35.290
  • So while Israel has defeated
  • 00:54:35.290 --> 00:54:37.080
  • them in every area militarily,
  • 00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:39.230
  • they've gotten the jumpstart
  • 00:54:39.230 --> 00:54:41.120
  • on this battle for
  • 00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:42.120
  • the next generation.
  • 00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:43.060
  • - Jay: Yeah, and part of it
  • 00:54:43.060 --> 00:54:43.260
  • is they engage in what we
  • 00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:44.230
  • call lawfare.
  • 00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:45.230
  • This idea they utilize the legal
  • 00:54:45.230 --> 00:54:46.260
  • system and turn it on its head
  • 00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:48.160
  • so they try to legitimize their
  • 00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:49.160
  • illegitimate position
  • 00:54:49.160 --> 00:54:50.220
  • by utilizing the legal system.
  • 00:54:50.220 --> 00:54:52.060
  • I had a--during Operation Kasla,
  • 00:54:52.060 --> 00:54:54.080
  • which was 2009 Gaza conflict,
  • 00:54:54.080 --> 00:54:56.060
  • the Palestinian authority,
  • 00:54:56.060 --> 00:54:57.230
  • as they traditionally do, filed
  • 00:54:57.230 --> 00:54:59.040
  • a complaint at the International
  • 00:54:59.040 --> 00:55:01.140
  • Criminal Court in the Hague.
  • 00:55:01.140 --> 00:55:02.160
  • And we get involved in it,
  • 00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:03.150
  • presenting Israel's interests
  • 00:55:03.150 --> 00:55:04.290
  • before the ICC.
  • 00:55:04.290 --> 00:55:06.030
  • ICC--Israel is not a member of
  • 00:55:06.030 --> 00:55:07.180
  • the International Criminal
  • 00:55:07.180 --> 00:55:09.060
  • Court, nor is the United States
  • 00:55:09.060 --> 00:55:10.110
  • for that matter, but the
  • 00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:11.050
  • position had to be advocated.
  • 00:55:11.050 --> 00:55:12.110
  • It was--ultimately,
  • 00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:13.140
  • we prevailed.
  • 00:55:13.140 --> 00:55:14.160
  • But if you would have been in
  • 00:55:14.160 --> 00:55:15.140
  • there--I wish we could have had
  • 00:55:15.140 --> 00:55:16.230
  • cameras in that--those hearing
  • 00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:18.140
  • rooms to listen to the arguments
  • 00:55:18.140 --> 00:55:20.100
  • of this--it is lawfare.
  • 00:55:20.100 --> 00:55:23.090
  • They take the legal system, turn
  • 00:55:23.090 --> 00:55:24.190
  • it on its head as an attempt to
  • 00:55:24.190 --> 00:55:26.110
  • delegitimize--or to legitimize
  • 00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:28.060
  • their operation
  • 00:55:28.060 --> 00:55:29.090
  • and delegitimize Israel.
  • 00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:30.170
  • So we talked about lawfare.
  • 00:55:30.170 --> 00:55:31.220
  • We haven't touched yet on
  • 00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:32.270
  • this whole Boycott, Divest,
  • 00:55:32.270 --> 00:55:34.030
  • and Sanction.
  • 00:55:34.030 --> 00:55:34.290
  • But let's talk about
  • 00:55:34.290 --> 00:55:36.080
  • the lawfare for a moment.
  • 00:55:36.080 --> 00:55:37.010
  • How do you view that?
  • 00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:37.260
  • I mean, you've got a long
  • 00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:38.190
  • history on Capitol Hill involved
  • 00:55:38.190 --> 00:55:39.150
  • with legal issues here.
  • 00:55:39.150 --> 00:55:41.100
  • But this--it's again, it's
  • 00:55:41.100 --> 00:55:42.210
  • a very sophisticated technique.
  • 00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:43.270
  • - David: That's exactly right.
  • 00:55:43.270 --> 00:55:44.250
  • That's exactly right and talk
  • 00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:46.080
  • about going into enemy territory
  • 00:55:46.080 --> 00:55:48.250
  • which I have always admired your
  • 00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:50.100
  • stand at the UN and the strength
  • 00:55:50.100 --> 00:55:52.120
  • and the courage with which you
  • 00:55:52.120 --> 00:55:53.190
  • fight that fight.
  • 00:55:53.190 --> 00:55:54.240
  • Look, our enemies have become
  • 00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:57.270
  • adept at using our freedoms
  • 00:55:57.270 --> 00:55:59.280
  • and our system against us.
  • 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.270
  • They use our immigration system.
  • 00:56:01.270 --> 00:56:04.110
  • They use our civil rights.
  • 00:56:04.110 --> 00:56:05.270
  • They use our freedom of religion
  • 00:56:05.270 --> 00:56:07.060
  • very often to attack us.
  • 00:56:07.060 --> 00:56:09.230
  • The UN is a perfect example
  • 00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:11.140
  • of using the infrastructure
  • 00:56:11.140 --> 00:56:13.010
  • of the UN and
  • 00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:14.010
  • the international legal system
  • 00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:15.110
  • as a way to promote lies.
  • 00:56:15.110 --> 00:56:17.230
  • You know they have a built-in
  • 00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:19.060
  • majority at the UN.
  • 00:56:19.060 --> 00:56:20.220
  • When you take the Arab states
  • 00:56:20.220 --> 00:56:21.200
  • and the Muslim states,
  • 00:56:21.200 --> 00:56:22.170
  • it's a built-in majority.
  • 00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:24.130
  • And so they use it very often
  • 00:56:24.130 --> 00:56:25.260
  • and they can--it's so sad to see
  • 00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.240
  • what was started
  • 00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:28.280
  • with such high hopes.
  • 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.070
  • The United Nations, a way
  • 00:56:30.070 --> 00:56:31.260
  • to try to bring some dialog,
  • 00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:33.010
  • some peace, some justice.
  • 00:56:33.010 --> 00:56:34.270
  • And the way it is perverted with
  • 00:56:34.270 --> 00:56:36.280
  • lies and hate and pure numbers.
  • 00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:40.160
  • Pure hardball politics.
  • 00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:42.070
  • They have the numbers
  • 00:56:42.070 --> 00:56:43.000
  • and we don't.
  • 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:43.280
  • And they use it as a form to
  • 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.230
  • attack Israel endlessly, is
  • 00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:46.290
  • the surest sign that the UN
  • 00:56:46.290 --> 00:56:48.170
  • has lost its way and forgotten
  • 00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:50.050
  • its original mission when you
  • 00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:51.100
  • see them censuring the state of
  • 00:56:51.100 --> 00:56:53.020
  • Israel more than anyone else.
  • 00:56:53.020 --> 00:56:55.030
  • - Jay: And by multiple times.
  • 00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:56.170
  • I mean, it's not even.
  • 00:56:56.170 --> 00:56:57.120
  • There's more anti-Israel
  • 00:56:57.120 --> 00:56:58.160
  • resolutions passed than every
  • 00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:00.080
  • other human rights violation
  • 00:57:00.080 --> 00:57:02.000
  • combined.
  • 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:03.020
  • That gives you a scope and
  • 00:57:03.020 --> 00:57:03.260
  • the sense of what's going on.
  • 00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:05.150
  • Let's talk about the BDS issue,
  • 00:57:05.150 --> 00:57:06.260
  • Boycott, Divest, and Sanction.
  • 00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:08.090
  • For those that don't know, this
  • 00:57:08.090 --> 00:57:09.230
  • is a movement that has been
  • 00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:10.290
  • gaining a lot of traction
  • 00:57:10.290 --> 00:57:12.150
  • and this idea to make Israel
  • 00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:14.080
  • the oppressor.
  • 00:57:14.080 --> 00:57:15.110
  • Therefore, you boycott them, you
  • 00:57:15.110 --> 00:57:16.210
  • treat them like South Africa
  • 00:57:16.210 --> 00:57:17.280
  • during Apartheid.
  • 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.010
  • You encourage divestiture so
  • 00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:20.240
  • that businesses are afraid to
  • 00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:22.010
  • engage with Israeli companies,
  • 00:57:22.010 --> 00:57:24.070
  • and then you sanction.
  • 00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:25.160
  • You actually put forward
  • 00:57:25.160 --> 00:57:26.220
  • sanctions against Israel.
  • 00:57:26.220 --> 00:57:28.050
  • This has affected the academy
  • 00:57:28.050 --> 00:57:29.090
  • in academics where Israeli
  • 00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:30.270
  • academics have been denied
  • 00:57:30.270 --> 00:57:32.050
  • the ability to participate
  • 00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:33.230
  • in major associations,
  • 00:57:33.230 --> 00:57:35.060
  • major conferences.
  • 00:57:35.060 --> 00:57:36.050
  • It's infecting--impacting
  • 00:57:36.050 --> 00:57:37.110
  • students.
  • 00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:39.150
  • But I think the best example of
  • 00:57:39.150 --> 00:57:40.120
  • a case right now we have
  • 00:57:40.120 --> 00:57:41.130
  • at UCLA.
  • 00:57:41.130 --> 00:57:42.110
  • The student is from India
  • 00:57:42.110 --> 00:57:44.100
  • and is Hindu.
  • 00:57:44.100 --> 00:57:45.070
  • Happens to be pro-Israel.
  • 00:57:45.070 --> 00:57:47.000
  • And he did the right thing at
  • 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.210
  • a student-government association
  • 00:57:48.210 --> 00:57:49.260
  • the graduate student union
  • 00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:51.180
  • president, medical student.
  • 00:57:51.180 --> 00:57:52.290
  • And he had to go through
  • 00:57:52.290 --> 00:57:55.090
  • the SGA.
  • 00:57:55.090 --> 00:57:56.080
  • This, basically, we're not gonna
  • 00:57:56.080 --> 00:57:57.210
  • promote dialog that is hateful
  • 00:57:57.210 --> 00:58:00.120
  • or--and it wasn't a hate speech
  • 00:58:00.120 --> 00:58:01.080
  • issue.
  • 00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:02.020
  • It was funding money.
  • 00:58:02.020 --> 00:58:03.000
  • He said, "No."
  • 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.090
  • It went through into the
  • 00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:04.290
  • pro-Israel group who just--they
  • 00:58:04.290 --> 00:58:05.250
  • said, "We're staying out of it."
  • 00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:06.200
  • And for that he was lambasted.
  • 00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:08.080
  • So let's talk about I know
  • 00:58:08.080 --> 00:58:09.040
  • you're working with--on
  • 00:58:09.040 --> 00:58:10.000
  • the Maccabee project but let's
  • 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:10.290
  • talk about the BDS movement
  • 00:58:10.290 --> 00:58:11.220
  • for a while and how you view it.
  • 00:58:11.220 --> 00:58:13.070
  • - David: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:58:13.070 --> 00:58:14.030
  • So BDS is the newest weapon
  • 00:58:14.150 --> 00:58:17.150
  • against Israel.
  • 00:58:17.150 --> 00:58:18.090
  • Again, it's being smart, it's
  • 00:58:18.090 --> 00:58:19.180
  • realizing how do you persuade
  • 00:58:19.180 --> 00:58:21.110
  • the American people in general
  • 00:58:21.110 --> 00:58:23.050
  • and this generation
  • 00:58:23.050 --> 00:58:24.010
  • in particular,
  • 00:58:24.010 --> 00:58:24.270
  • to hate what is good?
  • 00:58:24.270 --> 00:58:26.030
  • And they have come up with
  • 00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:28.210
  • the right idea, which is our
  • 00:58:28.210 --> 00:58:29.210
  • young people love justice.
  • 00:58:29.210 --> 00:58:32.180
  • They are compassionate.
  • 00:58:32.180 --> 00:58:34.000
  • And the issue that resonated
  • 00:58:34.050 --> 00:58:37.050
  • most on college campuses
  • 00:58:37.050 --> 00:58:38.230
  • in the past few decades
  • 00:58:38.230 --> 00:58:40.000
  • has been the issue of
  • 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:40.230
  • apartheid South Africa.
  • 00:58:40.230 --> 00:58:42.090
  • It was an ugly racist system.
  • 00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:44.060
  • And when I was in college,
  • 00:58:44.060 --> 00:58:45.080
  • the only issue I got involved in
  • 00:58:45.080 --> 00:58:47.100
  • was fighting against apartheid.
  • 00:58:47.100 --> 00:58:49.070
  • So what are--you have to give
  • 00:58:49.070 --> 00:58:51.280
  • credit to the brilliant idea.
  • 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:53.050
  • If you can lie about Israel, if
  • 00:58:53.050 --> 00:58:55.050
  • you can say Israel is everything
  • 00:58:55.050 --> 00:58:56.090
  • it is not; it is, in fact,
  • 00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:57.160
  • an apartheid system in which
  • 00:58:57.160 --> 00:58:59.110
  • the Jews discriminate against
  • 00:58:59.110 --> 00:59:01.000
  • the Arabs, this is the path to
  • 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.260
  • getting the compassion
  • 00:59:02.260 --> 00:59:04.150
  • and the energy of young people
  • 00:59:04.150 --> 00:59:05.240
  • against Israel.
  • 00:59:05.240 --> 00:59:07.000
  • And not knowing more about
  • 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.230
  • Israel than they know,
  • 00:59:09.230 --> 00:59:11.000
  • students are all too willing
  • 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.020
  • to believe the lies.
  • 00:59:12.020 --> 00:59:13.240
  • The facts, of course,
  • 00:59:13.240 --> 00:59:15.140
  • are the exact opposite.
  • 00:59:15.140 --> 00:59:17.070
  • Israel is the freest society in
  • 00:59:17.070 --> 00:59:19.100
  • the Middle East.
  • 00:59:19.100 --> 00:59:20.230
  • The freest Arabs in
  • 00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:22.040
  • the Middle East are the Arab
  • 00:59:22.040 --> 00:59:23.060
  • citizens of the Jewish state.
  • 00:59:23.060 --> 00:59:24.270
  • And this is just a fact, a fact.
  • 00:59:24.270 --> 00:59:26.240
  • The freest Muslims in the Middle
  • 00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:28.080
  • East are the Muslim citizens of
  • 00:59:28.080 --> 00:59:29.220
  • the Jewish state.
  • 00:59:29.220 --> 00:59:30.250
  • The only Muslims in the region
  • 00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:32.070
  • that can worship Allah as they
  • 00:59:32.070 --> 00:59:33.220
  • choose or choose not to worship
  • 00:59:33.220 --> 00:59:35.100
  • him and not fear for their lives
  • 00:59:35.100 --> 00:59:36.190
  • or their freedom.
  • 00:59:36.190 --> 00:59:37.130
  • - Jay: Is in Israel.
  • 00:59:37.130 --> 00:59:38.020
  • - David: And as well--as you
  • 00:59:38.020 --> 00:59:38.240
  • know well, Jay, the safest
  • 00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:40.030
  • Christians in the Middle East
  • 00:59:40.030 --> 00:59:41.190
  • are the Christian citizens of
  • 00:59:41.190 --> 00:59:42.190
  • the Jewish state.
  • 00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:43.120
  • - Jay: Oh, yeah, I mean, you
  • 00:59:43.120 --> 00:59:44.030
  • can ask them would they rather
  • 00:59:44.030 --> 00:59:44.240
  • be under the leadership and
  • 00:59:44.240 --> 00:59:46.040
  • the political government of
  • 00:59:46.040 --> 00:59:47.120
  • Israel or would they rather be
  • 00:59:47.120 --> 00:59:48.120
  • under Hamas, because we could
  • 00:59:48.120 --> 00:59:49.150
  • get in--that's a whole separate
  • 00:59:49.150 --> 00:59:50.230
  • conversation but it would be
  • 00:59:50.230 --> 00:59:52.030
  • overwhelming.
  • 00:59:52.030 --> 00:59:52.290
  • But David, we had an interesting
  • 00:59:52.290 --> 00:59:53.260
  • experience a couple of
  • 00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:54.210
  • years ago.
  • 00:59:54.210 --> 00:59:55.100
  • The United Nations every 4 years
  • 00:59:55.100 --> 00:59:56.200
  • does their reports on
  • 00:59:56.200 --> 00:59:58.070
  • human rights or religious
  • 00:59:58.070 --> 00:59:59.030
  • freedom in the world.
  • 00:59:59.030 --> 00:59:59.250
  • And Israel was one of
  • 00:59:59.250 --> 01:00:00.230
  • the reporting countries.
  • 01:00:00.230 --> 01:00:02.000
  • So the UN Rapporteur, that's
  • 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.230
  • the person that's in charge
  • 01:00:03.230 --> 01:00:04.250
  • of this for religious freedom,
  • 01:00:04.250 --> 01:00:06.050
  • said, "I want you to--"
  • 01:00:06.050 --> 01:00:06.290
  • to the ACLJ and our
  • 01:00:06.290 --> 01:00:08.050
  • European affiliates.
  • 01:00:08.050 --> 01:00:09.160
  • "We wanna interview people."
  • 01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:11.020
  • And that--the bias was clear.
  • 01:00:11.020 --> 01:00:12.090
  • You knew exactly where they
  • 01:00:12.090 --> 01:00:13.040
  • were going.
  • 01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:13.210
  • We set 'em up with meet--people.
  • 01:00:13.210 --> 01:00:14.240
  • I set 'em up with the wife of
  • 01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:17.100
  • the operator of the Palestinian
  • 01:00:17.100 --> 01:00:19.040
  • Bible Society bookstore,
  • 01:00:19.040 --> 01:00:20.210
  • Rami Ayyad, who was killed
  • 01:00:20.210 --> 01:00:23.030
  • by Hamas, stabbed 43 times.
  • 01:00:23.030 --> 01:00:25.070
  • Because he was a Christian.
  • 01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:26.240
  • In broad daylight.
  • 01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:28.200
  • I said, "Speak to her.
  • 01:00:28.200 --> 01:00:30.050
  • Let's talk to her what it's like
  • 01:00:30.050 --> 01:00:31.250
  • under Hamas versus Israel."
  • 01:00:31.250 --> 01:00:33.250
  • I had them meet with pastors of
  • 01:00:33.250 --> 01:00:36.210
  • churches that would only meet in
  • 01:00:36.210 --> 01:00:38.020
  • olive groves because if they
  • 01:00:38.020 --> 01:00:40.010
  • were known they were meeting,
  • 01:00:40.010 --> 01:00:41.080
  • the leadership of Hamas
  • 01:00:41.080 --> 01:00:43.260
  • politically which is now getting
  • 01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:45.160
  • strong in the West Bank, strong
  • 01:00:45.160 --> 01:00:46.290
  • of course in Gaza, would--could
  • 01:00:46.290 --> 01:00:48.080
  • end their lives
  • 01:00:48.080 --> 01:00:50.070
  • or kill their children.
  • 01:00:50.070 --> 01:00:51.120
  • So this kind of real-world
  • 01:00:51.130 --> 01:00:54.130
  • experience, real politic,
  • 01:00:54.130 --> 01:00:56.040
  • if you will, is something
  • 01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:57.170
  • we've gotta get across.
  • 01:00:57.170 --> 01:00:58.290
  • - David: The great thing about
  • 01:00:58.290 --> 01:01:01.050
  • supporting Israel
  • 01:01:01.050 --> 01:01:02.160
  • is the truth is on our side.
  • 01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:04.000
  • It's that simple.
  • 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.090
  • They demand ignorance and lies
  • 01:01:05.090 --> 01:01:07.080
  • to persuade a generation that
  • 01:01:07.080 --> 01:01:09.020
  • Israel's the embodiment of
  • 01:01:09.020 --> 01:01:10.020
  • everything they hate.
  • 01:01:10.020 --> 01:01:11.090
  • We know the truth is on our side
  • 01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:13.120
  • and if we can expose people to
  • 01:01:13.120 --> 01:01:14.030
  • the truth, they'll see Israel
  • 01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:15.160
  • is actually the example of
  • 01:01:15.160 --> 01:01:16.200
  • everything we love.
  • 01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:18.010
  • So spreading the truth isn't
  • 01:01:18.010 --> 01:01:20.190
  • as easy as it should be.
  • 01:01:20.190 --> 01:01:21.260
  • Sometimes, a big lie
  • 01:01:21.260 --> 01:01:23.040
  • is easy to spread.
  • 01:01:23.040 --> 01:01:24.020
  • And we need to come in
  • 01:01:24.020 --> 01:01:25.050
  • with facts and history.
  • 01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:26.100
  • We need to get their attention
  • 01:01:26.100 --> 01:01:27.160
  • for 10 minutes which these days
  • 01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:29.070
  • can be a challenge.
  • 01:01:29.070 --> 01:01:30.110
  • But if we do it, we share the
  • 01:01:30.110 --> 01:01:32.100
  • truth and share it persistently
  • 01:01:32.100 --> 01:01:33.110
  • as you've seen, and it's been my
  • 01:01:33.110 --> 01:01:34.280
  • experience too, we ultimately
  • 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.250
  • win this argument.
  • 01:01:36.250 --> 01:01:37.270
  • You know, it's interesting,
  • 01:01:37.270 --> 01:01:39.200
  • they're saying Israel's
  • 01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:40.240
  • an apartheid state and we have
  • 01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:42.010
  • to boycott Israel in order
  • 01:01:42.010 --> 01:01:43.140
  • for it to end its apartheid.
  • 01:01:43.140 --> 01:01:45.140
  • You know and I know, Israel's
  • 01:01:45.140 --> 01:01:46.200
  • the opposite of apartheid.
  • 01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:48.030
  • So what's their goal then?
  • 01:01:48.030 --> 01:01:49.140
  • Why do they wanna boycott
  • 01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:50.080
  • Israel?
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  • - Jay: It's the elimination of
  • 01:01:51.020 --> 01:01:51.240
  • Israel.
  • 01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:52.050
  • - David: Without a doubt.
  • 01:01:52.050 --> 01:01:52.240
  • - Jay: Yeah, or they'll say,
  • 01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:53.150
  • "Listen, we're not eliminating
  • 01:01:53.150 --> 01:01:54.110
  • Israel," but they don't like
  • 01:01:54.110 --> 01:01:55.050
  • the idea that it's a Jewish
  • 01:01:55.050 --> 01:01:56.000
  • state but there's a reason
  • 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.050
  • it's a Jewish state.
  • 01:01:57.050 --> 01:01:57.270
  • So they use that.
  • 01:01:57.270 --> 01:01:58.280
  • I wanna go back to Washington,
  • 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.120
  • D.C., David, and you know, you
  • 01:02:00.120 --> 01:02:01.190
  • and I have known each other a
  • 01:02:01.190 --> 01:02:02.120
  • long time.
  • 01:02:02.120 --> 01:02:03.000
  • You look at the work you did
  • 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:03.200
  • here in this United State Senate
  • 01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:04.280
  • which was great.
  • 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:05.240
  • Was that the warm-up for what
  • 01:02:05.240 --> 01:02:07.040
  • you're doing now, do you sense
  • 01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:08.020
  • in a way?
  • 01:02:08.020 --> 01:02:08.220
  • - David: I feel that way.
  • 01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:09.240
  • - Jay: Talk about that for a
  • 01:02:09.240 --> 01:02:10.150
  • minute.
  • 01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:10.290
  • - David: Yeah, you know, it's
  • 01:02:10.290 --> 01:02:11.200
  • funny.
  • 01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:12.080
  • You know, well, when you're in
  • 01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:13.110
  • Washington and you're working on
  • 01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:14.130
  • Capitol Hill and I was working
  • 01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:15.190
  • for a very senior senator, you
  • 01:02:15.190 --> 01:02:17.110
  • sometimes fall into the trap of
  • 01:02:18.030 --> 01:02:21.030
  • thinking that you are running
  • 01:02:21.030 --> 01:02:22.260
  • the world and you are at
  • 01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:24.000
  • the pinnacle of power.
  • 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.160
  • And what I've come to learn
  • 01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:28.100
  • after that is that was
  • 01:02:28.100 --> 01:02:29.190
  • preparation.
  • 01:02:29.190 --> 01:02:30.240
  • I learned skills and I learned
  • 01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:32.060
  • a discipline that have enabled
  • 01:02:32.060 --> 01:02:33.230
  • me to go out in the world and
  • 01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:35.060
  • the world beyond the beltway
  • 01:02:35.060 --> 01:02:36.170
  • and do what I think has been
  • 01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:38.140
  • my calling.
  • 01:02:38.140 --> 01:02:39.110
  • And do what I think, in a sense,
  • 01:02:39.110 --> 01:02:40.260
  • is the challenge that defines
  • 01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:43.080
  • our time, which is to build
  • 01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:45.100
  • a grassroots effort.
  • 01:02:45.100 --> 01:02:47.060
  • And to build an organization
  • 01:02:47.060 --> 01:02:48.250
  • that can help support the state
  • 01:02:48.250 --> 01:02:50.100
  • of Israel and defend the state
  • 01:02:50.100 --> 01:02:52.040
  • of Israel because ultimately,
  • 01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:53.170
  • Israel is on the front line
  • 01:02:53.170 --> 01:02:55.050
  • of a battle we cannot escape.
  • 01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:57.290
  • - Jay: And nor can we lose.
  • 01:02:57.290 --> 01:02:58.240
  • - David: That's exactly--
  • 01:02:58.240 --> 01:02:59.220
  • - Jay: It's not a battle--we
  • 01:02:59.220 --> 01:03:00.180
  • don't have the luxury of
  • 01:03:00.180 --> 01:03:01.170
  • thinking that we don't have to
  • 01:03:01.170 --> 01:03:03.050
  • engage.
  • 01:03:03.050 --> 01:03:04.030
  • Let me ask you about
  • 01:03:04.030 --> 01:03:04.290
  • the Maccabee project, some of
  • 01:03:04.290 --> 01:03:06.110
  • the stuff you're doing right
  • 01:03:06.110 --> 01:03:07.110
  • now 'cause this is important.
  • 01:03:07.110 --> 01:03:08.080
  • And, again, it goes back to
  • 01:03:08.080 --> 01:03:09.210
  • working with
  • 01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:10.270
  • a younger generation.
  • 01:03:10.270 --> 01:03:12.250
  • Talk to me about
  • 01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:13.130
  • what you're doing now.
  • 01:03:13.130 --> 01:03:14.110
  • - David: So what we're doing is
  • 01:03:14.110 --> 01:03:15.070
  • exactly what we were talking
  • 01:03:15.070 --> 01:03:16.060
  • about earlier.
  • 01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:17.030
  • Our mission is to spread the
  • 01:03:17.030 --> 01:03:18.100
  • truth about Israel and to make
  • 01:03:18.100 --> 01:03:19.170
  • sure that there are soldiers
  • 01:03:19.170 --> 01:03:21.240
  • behind the truth.
  • 01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:23.190
  • We're going--sort of what
  • 01:03:23.190 --> 01:03:25.260
  • you've done at the UN.
  • 01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.250
  • We're going to those college
  • 01:03:27.250 --> 01:03:28.270
  • campuses that are most hostile,
  • 01:03:28.270 --> 01:03:30.280
  • where the hate for Israel
  • 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.160
  • is most pronounced,
  • 01:03:32.160 --> 01:03:33.220
  • where Jewish students
  • 01:03:33.220 --> 01:03:34.130
  • feel the most intimidated.
  • 01:03:34.130 --> 01:03:35.220
  • And it's a sad fact of life
  • 01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:37.230
  • in America today that Jewish
  • 01:03:37.230 --> 01:03:39.200
  • students on certain college
  • 01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:41.120
  • campuses in America
  • 01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:42.070
  • have to be afraid.
  • 01:03:42.070 --> 01:03:43.080
  • They take off their kippah.
  • 01:03:43.080 --> 01:03:45.060
  • We're going to those campuses
  • 01:03:45.060 --> 01:03:47.140
  • and we're bringing resources and
  • 01:03:47.140 --> 01:03:49.190
  • we're saying to the pro-Israel
  • 01:03:49.190 --> 01:03:51.150
  • students on campus, Jews and
  • 01:03:51.150 --> 01:03:53.020
  • Christians, who have the guts
  • 01:03:53.020 --> 01:03:54.240
  • and the courage to take a stand,
  • 01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:56.110
  • that we're behind you.
  • 01:03:56.110 --> 01:03:57.190
  • We will bring you the resources
  • 01:03:57.190 --> 01:03:58.290
  • you need and the support
  • 01:03:58.290 --> 01:04:00.060
  • you need.
  • 01:04:00.060 --> 01:04:00.280
  • We sit down together and say,
  • 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.130
  • "What do you wanna do this year
  • 01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:04.210
  • to fight back against BDS?
  • 01:04:04.210 --> 01:04:06.090
  • To fight back against
  • 01:04:06.090 --> 01:04:07.150
  • the Israel haters?
  • 01:04:07.150 --> 01:04:08.140
  • And don't worry about money
  • 01:04:08.140 --> 01:04:10.240
  • because we can bring
  • 01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:11.260
  • the resources and we can bring
  • 01:04:11.260 --> 01:04:13.030
  • the community behind you."
  • 01:04:13.030 --> 01:04:14.290
  • And what we're seeing is what
  • 01:04:14.290 --> 01:04:16.170
  • you referenced earlier.
  • 01:04:16.170 --> 01:04:19.090
  • When you punch the bully in
  • 01:04:19.090 --> 01:04:20.240
  • the nose, when you bring truth
  • 01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:22.260
  • to the middle of the lies,
  • 01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.050
  • it makes a difference.
  • 01:04:24.050 --> 01:04:25.140
  • And very often, the enemy
  • 01:04:25.140 --> 01:04:26.260
  • was not quite as terrible
  • 01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:28.010
  • and as fearsome
  • 01:04:28.010 --> 01:04:29.040
  • as he appeared from afar.
  • 01:04:29.040 --> 01:04:30.190
  • - Jay: You know, we had
  • 01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:31.070
  • a student and you know about
  • 01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:32.000
  • this case.
  • 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:32.160
  • We had a student at Loyola
  • 01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:33.110
  • who was really harassed,
  • 01:04:33.110 --> 01:04:35.040
  • a Jewish student.
  • 01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:35.260
  • We took it through
  • 01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:36.280
  • the administrative system,
  • 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.100
  • got it resolved successfully.
  • 01:04:38.100 --> 01:04:40.090
  • We've had professors that have
  • 01:04:40.090 --> 01:04:41.290
  • been boycotted in their
  • 01:04:41.290 --> 01:04:44.030
  • classrooms by the students
  • 01:04:44.030 --> 01:04:45.140
  • in their very classroom.
  • 01:04:45.140 --> 01:04:47.150
  • This kind of hostility,
  • 01:04:47.150 --> 01:04:48.200
  • in a sense it's a flashback to
  • 01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:50.190
  • a generation before me or a half
  • 01:04:50.190 --> 01:04:52.210
  • a generation before me and
  • 01:04:52.210 --> 01:04:53.210
  • that was the campus unrest
  • 01:04:53.210 --> 01:04:54.290
  • of the '60s.
  • 01:04:54.290 --> 01:04:55.270
  • But now it's focused on other
  • 01:04:55.270 --> 01:04:57.110
  • students that just happened to
  • 01:04:57.110 --> 01:04:59.150
  • disagree with this particular
  • 01:04:59.150 --> 01:05:00.180
  • student.
  • 01:05:00.180 --> 01:05:01.180
  • So this--it's kind of turning
  • 01:05:01.180 --> 01:05:02.200
  • free speech upside down.
  • 01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:04.020
  • I want you to look in the camera
  • 01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:05.090
  • for a moment and talk to
  • 01:05:05.090 --> 01:05:06.100
  • right now and tell them what
  • 01:05:08.120 --> 01:05:09.030
  • they need to be doing,
  • 01:05:09.030 --> 01:05:10.130
  • the parents, the grandparents
  • 01:05:10.130 --> 01:05:11.220
  • are out there, to help out
  • 01:05:11.220 --> 01:05:13.020
  • in this fight for Israel.
  • 01:05:13.020 --> 01:05:14.110
  • - David: I appreciate it, Jay.
  • 01:05:14.110 --> 01:05:15.110
  • And to everyone watching, thank
  • 01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:17.000
  • you and bless you for caring
  • 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:18.240
  • about this issue.
  • 01:05:18.240 --> 01:05:20.090
  • As Jay and I have been saying,
  • 01:05:20.090 --> 01:05:21.250
  • the fight for Israel is not just
  • 01:05:21.250 --> 01:05:23.170
  • the fight for some country
  • 01:05:23.170 --> 01:05:24.230
  • in the Middle East.
  • 01:05:24.230 --> 01:05:25.250
  • It is the twin pillar of
  • 01:05:28.040 --> 01:05:29.140
  • Judeo-Christian civilization
  • 01:05:29.140 --> 01:05:31.050
  • that is under assault.
  • 01:05:31.050 --> 01:05:32.210
  • Their fight's our fight.
  • 01:05:32.210 --> 01:05:34.000
  • This is not some foreign
  • 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.060
  • country.
  • 01:05:35.060 --> 01:05:36.060
  • It is our heart and our values
  • 01:05:36.060 --> 01:05:37.160
  • on the front lines.
  • 01:05:37.160 --> 01:05:39.250
  • What we need to do is to make
  • 01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:40.290
  • sure that our young generation
  • 01:05:40.290 --> 01:05:42.180
  • cannot be hijacked by people
  • 01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:45.260
  • telling lies.
  • 01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:47.010
  • I love the compassion
  • 01:05:47.010 --> 01:05:48.160
  • of our young people.
  • 01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.030
  • I love their heart.
  • 01:05:50.030 --> 01:05:51.080
  • I love the fact that they wanna
  • 01:05:51.080 --> 01:05:52.120
  • be follows of Jesus on
  • 01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:54.120
  • the front lines where suffering
  • 01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:55.160
  • is and where pain is.
  • 01:05:55.160 --> 01:05:57.130
  • Let's encourage that but let's
  • 01:05:57.130 --> 01:06:00.050
  • inform that because bad people
  • 01:06:00.050 --> 01:06:02.080
  • are using that compassion to
  • 01:06:02.080 --> 01:06:03.280
  • turn them against the things
  • 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.210
  • we hold dear.
  • 01:06:05.210 --> 01:06:06.230
  • So we can't sit on the sidelines
  • 01:06:06.230 --> 01:06:08.120
  • and say, "Young people
  • 01:06:08.120 --> 01:06:09.130
  • will be young people.
  • 01:06:09.130 --> 01:06:10.150
  • Kids will be kids."
  • 01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:11.130
  • We can't afford to do
  • 01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:12.220
  • that because other people
  • 01:06:12.220 --> 01:06:13.200
  • are out there.
  • 01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:14.160
  • They're going to talk to them.
  • 01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:15.180
  • They're going to lie to them.
  • 01:06:15.180 --> 01:06:16.240
  • They're gonna hijack
  • 01:06:16.240 --> 01:06:17.200
  • the compassion you taught them
  • 01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.080
  • to turn them against
  • 01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:20.190
  • what we hold dear.
  • 01:06:20.190 --> 01:06:21.210
  • We can't sit on the side lines.
  • 01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:23.000
  • We owe it to them
  • 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:23.240
  • to tell them the truth.
  • 01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:25.020
  • It's the truth about Israel.
  • 01:06:25.020 --> 01:06:26.160
  • It's the truth about America.
  • 01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:28.150
  • It's the truth about
  • 01:06:28.150 --> 01:06:29.070
  • western civilization.
  • 01:06:29.070 --> 01:06:30.110
  • Which means, and this is
  • 01:06:30.110 --> 01:06:31.250
  • the hardest part,
  • 01:06:31.250 --> 01:06:33.090
  • which means we have to know
  • 01:06:33.090 --> 01:06:34.030
  • what we're talking about.
  • 01:06:34.030 --> 01:06:34.260
  • We have to get informed
  • 01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:35.150
  • about Israel.
  • 01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:36.120
  • We have to get informed about
  • 01:06:36.120 --> 01:06:37.040
  • our own country.
  • 01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:38.050
  • And we need to be able to share
  • 01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:39.200
  • those truths so that we can
  • 01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:40.170
  • marry their compassion, their
  • 01:06:40.170 --> 01:06:42.060
  • heart, with knowledge so that
  • 01:06:42.060 --> 01:06:43.260
  • they're going to dedicate their
  • 01:06:43.260 --> 01:06:45.040
  • energies to preserving
  • 01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.290
  • everything we hold dear.
  • 01:06:46.290 --> 01:06:48.160
  • - Jay: You know, David, I
  • 01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:49.070
  • really think this is the battle
  • 01:06:49.070 --> 01:06:50.050
  • of a lifetime.
  • 01:06:50.050 --> 01:06:51.150
  • It's a battle of a generation
  • 01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:52.150
  • here.
  • 01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:53.070
  • And I wanna just underscore what
  • 01:06:53.070 --> 01:06:54.060
  • David said.
  • 01:06:54.060 --> 01:06:54.290
  • This is not--we don't have
  • 01:06:54.290 --> 01:06:55.290
  • "Can we win this war?"
  • 01:06:57.110 --> 01:06:59.090
  • We must win.
  • 01:06:59.090 --> 01:07:00.270
  • We have no option.
  • 01:07:00.270 --> 01:07:02.090
  • And that's gonna take all of
  • 01:07:02.090 --> 01:07:03.120
  • us getting engaged.
  • 01:07:03.120 --> 01:07:04.100
  • And, David, I appreciate so much
  • 01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:05.120
  • our friendship over the years
  • 01:07:05.120 --> 01:07:06.080
  • but also the great work you
  • 01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:06.280
  • continue to do.
  • 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:07.170
  • Thank you, my friend.
  • 01:07:07.170 --> 01:07:08.090
  • - David: Bless you, friend.
  • 01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:08.290
  • - Jay: Thanks for being with
  • 01:07:08.290 --> 01:07:09.200
  • us.
  • 01:07:09.200 --> 01:07:10.000
  • Good seeing you.
  • 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.190
  • - David: Always good to see
  • 01:07:10.190 --> 01:07:11.130
  • you.
  • 01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:12.060
  • - Jay: Always, friend.
  • 01:07:12.060 --> 01:07:13.000
  • - Jay: Always, friend.
  • 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.090
  • - Jay: Well, joining us
  • 01:07:19.160 --> 01:07:22.160
  • in Washington, D.C.,
  • 01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:23.230
  • is Jason Jimenez.
  • 01:07:23.230 --> 01:07:24.260
  • He's the founder of
  • 01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:25.250
  • Stand Strong Ministries.
  • 01:07:25.250 --> 01:07:27.080
  • He's a pastor, apologist,
  • 01:07:27.080 --> 01:07:28.100
  • national speaker.
  • 01:07:28.100 --> 01:07:29.060
  • Has a great new book out, "Stand
  • 01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:30.290
  • Strong America," subtitled,
  • 01:07:30.290 --> 01:07:32.280
  • "Courage, Freedom,
  • 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.030
  • and Hope for Tomorrow."
  • 01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:35.020
  • This is a very important book.
  • 01:07:35.020 --> 01:07:36.290
  • We're gonna talk about this book
  • 01:07:36.290 --> 01:07:37.210
  • with Jason.
  • 01:07:37.210 --> 01:07:38.120
  • Welcome to the broadcast.
  • 01:07:38.120 --> 01:07:39.030
  • Thrilled to have you on.
  • 01:07:39.030 --> 01:07:39.230
  • - Jason: Jay, thank you for
  • 01:07:39.230 --> 01:07:40.130
  • having me.
  • 01:07:40.130 --> 01:07:41.020
  • - Jay: All right, let's talk
  • 01:07:41.020 --> 01:07:41.230
  • about, first, the book,
  • 01:07:41.230 --> 01:07:43.060
  • "Stand Strong America."
  • 01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:44.130
  • Right now as we're in
  • 01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:45.150
  • Washington, D.C., there is so
  • 01:07:45.150 --> 01:07:46.170
  • much going on here in
  • 01:07:46.170 --> 01:07:47.110
  • the United States,
  • 01:07:47.110 --> 01:07:48.100
  • around the world.
  • 01:07:48.100 --> 01:07:49.170
  • One of the things you talk about
  • 01:07:49.170 --> 01:07:50.090
  • in the book is the fact that we
  • 01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:51.270
  • are a nation that's founded on
  • 01:07:51.270 --> 01:07:53.050
  • Judeo-Christian principles
  • 01:07:53.050 --> 01:07:54.110
  • so this seems to be being lost
  • 01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:55.180
  • in America today.
  • 01:07:55.180 --> 01:07:57.050
  • Talk about the importance
  • 01:07:57.050 --> 01:07:58.020
  • of that.
  • 01:07:58.020 --> 01:07:58.230
  • - Jason: Well, Jay, first
  • 01:07:58.230 --> 01:07:59.260
  • it's an honor to be with you,
  • 01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:00.280
  • representative of a protector of
  • 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.120
  • our freedom, to be here talking
  • 01:08:02.120 --> 01:08:04.060
  • about this stuff in our capital,
  • 01:08:04.060 --> 01:08:05.160
  • it's powerful.
  • 01:08:05.160 --> 01:08:06.160
  • And, like you said, in the book,
  • 01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:07.240
  • "Stand Strong America," that's
  • 01:08:07.240 --> 01:08:08.230
  • just Christians in general but
  • 01:08:11.160 --> 01:08:13.000
  • as Americans all over this great
  • 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.270
  • country of ours, we need to
  • 01:08:14.270 --> 01:08:16.120
  • stand strong and one way to do
  • 01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:18.130
  • that is we gotta get back to
  • 01:08:18.130 --> 01:08:19.180
  • how this nation was founded.
  • 01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:21.020
  • Nowadays, you know, with
  • 01:08:21.020 --> 01:08:22.000
  • the revisionists, with this
  • 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:22.290
  • movement, the militant
  • 01:08:22.290 --> 01:08:24.010
  • secularism, they're trying to
  • 01:08:24.010 --> 01:08:25.110
  • remove not just in historical
  • 01:08:25.110 --> 01:08:26.210
  • surroundings but also
  • 01:08:26.210 --> 01:08:28.070
  • in our documents.
  • 01:08:28.070 --> 01:08:29.030
  • You know, I just was spending
  • 01:08:29.030 --> 01:08:30.000
  • some time with David Bardon and
  • 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.070
  • going back to original founding
  • 01:08:31.070 --> 01:08:33.010
  • documents that they wrote, their
  • 01:08:33.010 --> 01:08:34.190
  • prayers, their Bibles, and
  • 01:08:34.190 --> 01:08:35.280
  • there's this movement that's
  • 01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:37.230
  • trying to remove people, you
  • 01:08:37.230 --> 01:08:39.070
  • know, really, this belief stuff
  • 01:08:39.070 --> 01:08:40.210
  • that our founders believed in.
  • 01:08:40.210 --> 01:08:42.130
  • So we are--we're talking about
  • 01:08:42.130 --> 01:08:44.070
  • establishing once again,
  • 01:08:44.070 --> 01:08:46.170
  • Judeo-Christian ethics back
  • 01:08:46.170 --> 01:08:48.140
  • into the system, in education,
  • 01:08:48.140 --> 01:08:49.230
  • higher court, et cetera.
  • 01:08:49.230 --> 01:08:51.000
  • - Jay: You know, it's
  • 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:51.170
  • interesting because one of
  • 01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:52.120
  • the great tragedies in America
  • 01:08:52.120 --> 01:08:53.240
  • civic life right now
  • 01:08:53.240 --> 01:08:55.130
  • is political correctness.
  • 01:08:55.130 --> 01:08:57.030
  • Political correctness
  • 01:08:57.030 --> 01:08:58.030
  • has reached, in my view, such
  • 01:08:58.030 --> 01:08:59.100
  • a significant proportion
  • 01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:00.250
  • that you can't even talk about
  • 01:09:00.250 --> 01:09:01.200
  • the fact that as a nation,
  • 01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:03.010
  • if you look at our
  • 01:09:03.010 --> 01:09:03.240
  • Declaration of Independence,
  • 01:09:03.240 --> 01:09:04.290
  • if you study our documents,
  • 01:09:04.290 --> 01:09:06.060
  • the charters of America, so
  • 01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:07.230
  • to speak, that we were founded
  • 01:09:07.230 --> 01:09:09.080
  • in this inherent belief that
  • 01:09:09.080 --> 01:09:10.280
  • the God of providence arranged
  • 01:09:10.280 --> 01:09:13.060
  • for us in America to live
  • 01:09:13.060 --> 01:09:15.090
  • in the land of freedom and hope.
  • 01:09:15.090 --> 01:09:16.270
  • And if you lose that freedom and
  • 01:09:16.270 --> 01:09:17.290
  • hope, and lose the foundation of
  • 01:09:17.290 --> 01:09:19.070
  • that freedom and hope, I think
  • 01:09:19.070 --> 01:09:20.170
  • you're really shortchanging
  • 01:09:20.170 --> 01:09:21.140
  • a generation.
  • 01:09:21.140 --> 01:09:22.180
  • - Jason: Yeah, you are and
  • 01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:23.140
  • that's what we're seeing.
  • 01:09:23.140 --> 01:09:24.130
  • That's exactly what we're seeing
  • 01:09:24.130 --> 01:09:25.140
  • and then yet we get blamed for
  • 01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:26.200
  • it but, again, as you stated and
  • 01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:28.020
  • if we look at the--and we talk
  • 01:09:28.020 --> 01:09:29.110
  • about this in the book, Jay,
  • 01:09:29.110 --> 01:09:30.070
  • and it's so vitally important.
  • 01:09:30.070 --> 01:09:31.210
  • And we wanted to condense it.
  • 01:09:31.210 --> 01:09:33.000
  • We didn't want it to be
  • 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:33.250
  • overwhelming because most people
  • 01:09:33.250 --> 01:09:35.030
  • don't read these days.
  • 01:09:35.030 --> 01:09:36.040
  • And one of the things we focus
  • 01:09:36.040 --> 01:09:37.160
  • on and not just in the book but
  • 01:09:37.160 --> 01:09:39.050
  • also in our ministry, Jay,
  • 01:09:39.050 --> 01:09:40.190
  • is biblical literacy.
  • 01:09:40.190 --> 01:09:42.150
  • But we also have Americans who
  • 01:09:42.150 --> 01:09:43.290
  • are constitutionally illiterate.
  • 01:09:43.290 --> 01:09:45.060
  • You know, I went by before
  • 01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:46.060
  • the interview to pray outside
  • 01:09:46.060 --> 01:09:47.100
  • the Supreme Court and there was
  • 01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:48.190
  • a guy passing by and he was
  • 01:09:48.190 --> 01:09:50.070
  • on Facetime and he was showing
  • 01:09:50.070 --> 01:09:51.200
  • somebody the Supreme Court.
  • 01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:52.180
  • He says, "I think this is
  • 01:09:52.180 --> 01:09:53.290
  • the Supreme Court."
  • 01:09:53.290 --> 01:09:54.210
  • He didn't even know what
  • 01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:55.110
  • building it was.
  • 01:09:55.110 --> 01:09:56.090
  • And you know, and I'm thinking,
  • 01:09:56.090 --> 01:09:57.160
  • "This is where we're at today."
  • 01:09:57.160 --> 01:09:58.250
  • So they don't even know who our
  • 01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:00.160
  • current elected officials are,
  • 01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:01.250
  • let alone the founding fathers
  • 01:10:01.250 --> 01:10:02.270
  • and what they believed.
  • 01:10:02.270 --> 01:10:03.210
  • - Jay: You know, it's
  • 01:10:03.210 --> 01:10:04.110
  • interesting so we're in
  • 01:10:04.110 --> 01:10:05.050
  • a political season right now,
  • 01:10:05.050 --> 01:10:05.280
  • obviously.
  • 01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:06.210
  • And as we--any time you're
  • 01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:08.060
  • selecting a president, this
  • 01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:09.010
  • comes around every 4 years,
  • 01:10:09.010 --> 01:10:09.280
  • I always tell people, you know,
  • 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:11.280
  • I'm not telling people who to
  • 01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:12.230
  • vote for, how to vote, but vote.
  • 01:10:12.230 --> 01:10:14.190
  • Because we're one of
  • 01:10:14.190 --> 01:10:15.190
  • the countries where you get
  • 01:10:15.190 --> 01:10:16.160
  • to do that.
  • 01:10:16.160 --> 01:10:17.080
  • So you--we, in a sense,
  • 01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:18.210
  • Americans have no excuse to
  • 01:10:18.210 --> 01:10:20.090
  • not be engaged in politics, to
  • 01:10:20.110 --> 01:10:23.110
  • not be engaged in the culture.
  • 01:10:23.110 --> 01:10:24.230
  • I always say this, though.
  • 01:10:24.230 --> 01:10:25.220
  • And I believe this firmly.
  • 01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:27.030
  • That as important as engagement
  • 01:10:27.030 --> 01:10:28.270
  • in political life is and you
  • 01:10:28.270 --> 01:10:30.080
  • talk about the Supreme Court.
  • 01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:31.020
  • I spent a good--I mean, the last
  • 01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:32.010
  • 26 years of my life at
  • 01:10:32.010 --> 01:10:33.120
  • the Supreme Court
  • 01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:34.210
  • of the United States.
  • 01:10:34.210 --> 01:10:35.190
  • But the fact is, politics never
  • 01:10:35.190 --> 01:10:37.130
  • raised anybody from the dead.
  • 01:10:37.130 --> 01:10:38.260
  • That doesn't mean we're not
  • 01:10:38.260 --> 01:10:39.210
  • supposed to be engaged in it.
  • 01:10:39.210 --> 01:10:40.180
  • Doesn't mean we're supposed to--
  • 01:10:40.180 --> 01:10:41.270
  • We know where the hope
  • 01:10:41.270 --> 01:10:42.270
  • comes from.
  • 01:10:42.270 --> 01:10:43.190
  • So I'm always very, very
  • 01:10:43.190 --> 01:10:45.020
  • clear on that.
  • 01:10:45.020 --> 01:10:46.020
  • You have a section called,
  • 01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:48.070
  • "God and Country: A True Story."
  • 01:10:48.070 --> 01:10:49.210
  • Tell me about it.
  • 01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:50.150
  • - Jason: Well, that's--all the
  • 01:10:50.150 --> 01:10:51.240
  • things that we're talking about,
  • 01:10:51.240 --> 01:10:52.170
  • Jay, is if you go back,
  • 01:10:52.170 --> 01:10:53.260
  • the founders would not have
  • 01:10:53.260 --> 01:10:54.240
  • built this great nation
  • 01:10:54.240 --> 01:10:55.230
  • of ours if you look
  • 01:10:55.230 --> 01:10:56.280
  • even at the colonies.
  • 01:10:56.280 --> 01:10:57.160
  • The colonies that existed
  • 01:10:57.160 --> 01:10:58.150
  • prior to.
  • 01:10:58.150 --> 01:10:59.230
  • You look at the Constitutional
  • 01:10:59.230 --> 01:11:00.160
  • Convention.
  • 01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:01.060
  • All the make-up, you know,
  • 01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:02.100
  • fighting off the Redcoats,
  • 01:11:02.100 --> 01:11:03.280
  • all these things, all these
  • 01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:05.000
  • miraculous things, it was God
  • 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:06.110
  • who supernaturally not only
  • 01:11:06.110 --> 01:11:08.150
  • directed but it was the founders
  • 01:11:08.150 --> 01:11:10.170
  • in a lot of these colonies are
  • 01:11:10.170 --> 01:11:11.180
  • looking to the governors
  • 01:11:11.180 --> 01:11:13.020
  • at the time, looking to God,
  • 01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:14.260
  • looking for direction, looking
  • 01:11:14.260 --> 01:11:15.280
  • to propagate Christianity.
  • 01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:17.040
  • I don't make the case in
  • 01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:18.020
  • the book, nor should we, that
  • 01:11:18.020 --> 01:11:19.150
  • America is a Christian nation
  • 01:11:19.150 --> 01:11:21.030
  • but it has certainly
  • 01:11:21.030 --> 01:11:22.040
  • a Christian heritage.
  • 01:11:22.040 --> 01:11:22.280
  • And this nation would not exist
  • 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.180
  • if it wasn't for God.
  • 01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:25.220
  • And not only that,
  • 01:11:25.220 --> 01:11:26.150
  • but a belief in natural law.
  • 01:11:26.150 --> 01:11:27.210
  • That's the important factor and
  • 01:11:27.210 --> 01:11:29.070
  • then most people have no clue.
  • 01:11:29.070 --> 01:11:30.200
  • I go around teaching churches
  • 01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:31.250
  • all over this great nation
  • 01:11:31.250 --> 01:11:32.220
  • of ours.
  • 01:11:32.220 --> 01:11:33.130
  • And most of 'em can't even
  • 01:11:33.130 --> 01:11:35.010
  • describe what I mean by
  • 01:11:35.010 --> 01:11:36.130
  • natural law.
  • 01:11:36.130 --> 01:11:37.090
  • - Jay: You know, it's
  • 01:11:37.090 --> 01:11:38.070
  • interesting you talk about
  • 01:11:38.070 --> 01:11:39.040
  • an understanding of our
  • 01:11:39.040 --> 01:11:39.250
  • Judeo-Christian heritage,
  • 01:11:39.250 --> 01:11:40.200
  • the impact that Christianity
  • 01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:41.190
  • and, for that matter, a true
  • 01:11:41.190 --> 01:11:42.260
  • Judeo-Christian heritage,
  • 01:11:42.260 --> 01:11:45.000
  • had in this country.
  • 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.060
  • I had the unique experience of
  • 01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:48.250
  • arguing a case involving
  • 01:11:48.250 --> 01:11:49.260
  • a Ten Commandments display
  • 01:11:49.260 --> 01:11:51.080
  • at the Supreme Court
  • 01:11:51.080 --> 01:11:52.080
  • of the United States
  • 01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:53.020
  • not that long ago.
  • 01:11:53.020 --> 01:11:54.000
  • And we won the case unanimously
  • 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.040
  • which is, you know, shocking in
  • 01:11:55.040 --> 01:11:56.060
  • religious liberty litigation but
  • 01:11:56.060 --> 01:11:57.220
  • one of the things I pointed to
  • 01:11:57.220 --> 01:11:59.000
  • was the Supreme Court of
  • 01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.110
  • the United States itself
  • 01:12:00.110 --> 01:12:01.110
  • which has multiple references
  • 01:12:01.110 --> 01:12:02.180
  • to the Ten Commandments
  • 01:12:02.180 --> 01:12:03.290
  • in the building,
  • 01:12:03.290 --> 01:12:04.170
  • including in the Supreme Court
  • 01:12:04.170 --> 01:12:06.030
  • where I'm arguing the case, as
  • 01:12:06.030 --> 01:12:07.260
  • I'm looking at the camera, to my
  • 01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:09.070
  • right would be, if you all are
  • 01:12:09.070 --> 01:12:10.240
  • out there that are watching are
  • 01:12:10.240 --> 01:12:11.270
  • the Justices, to my right would
  • 01:12:11.270 --> 01:12:13.100
  • be a depiction of Moses engraved
  • 01:12:13.100 --> 01:12:15.200
  • in the marble, holding
  • 01:12:15.200 --> 01:12:18.090
  • the Ten Commandments with
  • 01:12:18.090 --> 01:12:19.100
  • the words written in Hebrew.
  • 01:12:19.100 --> 01:12:20.250
  • There's no question that it was
  • 01:12:20.250 --> 01:12:21.230
  • not the Bill of Rights.
  • 01:12:21.230 --> 01:12:22.210
  • That was the Ten Commandments.
  • 01:12:22.210 --> 01:12:24.100
  • But we've lost the sense of
  • 01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:25.250
  • the awe-inspired nature of what
  • 01:12:25.250 --> 01:12:28.230
  • has made America unique.
  • 01:12:28.230 --> 01:12:31.060
  • You know, we talk about American
  • 01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:32.020
  • exceptionalism.
  • 01:12:32.020 --> 01:12:32.260
  • I mention this all the time.
  • 01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:33.290
  • I'm the grandson of a Russian
  • 01:12:33.290 --> 01:12:35.040
  • immigrant.
  • 01:12:35.040 --> 01:12:35.250
  • My grandfather came
  • 01:12:35.250 --> 01:12:36.200
  • to the United States,
  • 01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:37.070
  • to Ellis Island.
  • 01:12:37.070 --> 01:12:38.070
  • He was a fruit peddler in
  • 01:12:38.070 --> 01:12:39.040
  • Brooklyn, New York, and his
  • 01:12:39.040 --> 01:12:40.180
  • grandson gets to argue cases at
  • 01:12:40.180 --> 01:12:41.180
  • the Supreme Court
  • 01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:42.130
  • in the United States.
  • 01:12:42.130 --> 01:12:43.030
  • There are not many countries
  • 01:12:43.030 --> 01:12:44.020
  • where you can say that.
  • 01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:44.270
  • So I always wanna offer people
  • 01:12:44.270 --> 01:12:46.200
  • hope.
  • 01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:48.030
  • I mean, we can list the problems
  • 01:12:48.030 --> 01:12:49.100
  • and there are many that
  • 01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:50.160
  • the country's facing right now,
  • 01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:51.090
  • the tragedies that are going on
  • 01:12:51.090 --> 01:12:52.180
  • in the cities, the--it's
  • 01:12:52.180 --> 01:12:54.070
  • significant, the terrorism
  • 01:12:54.070 --> 01:12:55.080
  • that we're witnessing on
  • 01:12:55.080 --> 01:12:57.000
  • a now--almost to the point of
  • 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.060
  • making us numb to the fact that
  • 01:12:59.060 --> 01:13:01.080
  • this kind of terror
  • 01:13:01.080 --> 01:13:02.100
  • and hatred would be out there.
  • 01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:03.130
  • But we know that the hope
  • 01:13:03.130 --> 01:13:04.090
  • is in Jesus Christ.
  • 01:13:04.090 --> 01:13:05.240
  • I mean, there's no doubt
  • 01:13:05.240 --> 01:13:06.140
  • about that.
  • 01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:07.040
  • But let's talk about how you're
  • 01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.080
  • offering hope through your
  • 01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:09.160
  • writings, through your ministry,
  • 01:13:09.160 --> 01:13:10.260
  • through the new book,
  • 01:13:10.260 --> 01:13:12.020
  • "Stand Strong."
  • 01:13:12.020 --> 01:13:12.200
  • - Jason: Well, Jay, I
  • 01:13:12.200 --> 01:13:14.070
  • appreciate that because I think
  • 01:13:14.070 --> 01:13:15.030
  • we can spend a lot of time,
  • 01:13:15.030 --> 01:13:16.150
  • especially as you say politics.
  • 01:13:16.150 --> 01:13:17.190
  • Politics doesn't save.
  • 01:13:17.190 --> 01:13:18.240
  • But when you get the right
  • 01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:19.290
  • people who can legislate
  • 01:13:19.290 --> 01:13:21.020
  • the right morality to protect
  • 01:13:21.020 --> 01:13:22.180
  • the civility of mankind
  • 01:13:22.180 --> 01:13:24.100
  • and we see that throughout
  • 01:13:24.100 --> 01:13:25.140
  • the course of America.
  • 01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:26.140
  • But in our book, even though
  • 01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:27.220
  • we address--there are several
  • 01:13:27.220 --> 01:13:28.240
  • chapters talk about America
  • 01:13:28.240 --> 01:13:29.200
  • is dying.
  • 01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:30.140
  • America isn't sick.
  • 01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:31.200
  • America at this phase now,
  • 01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:32.190
  • is dying.
  • 01:13:32.190 --> 01:13:33.110
  • And one of the main reasons as
  • 01:13:33.110 --> 01:13:34.150
  • you go back to Proverbs 14:34,
  • 01:13:34.150 --> 01:13:36.290
  • righteousness is what exalts
  • 01:13:36.290 --> 01:13:38.070
  • a nation.
  • 01:13:38.070 --> 01:13:39.110
  • And sin that reproaches
  • 01:13:39.110 --> 01:13:40.070
  • the people.
  • 01:13:40.070 --> 01:13:41.010
  • We're seeing more and more sin,
  • 01:13:41.010 --> 01:13:42.040
  • not just in our capital, but in
  • 01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:43.180
  • our families, in our churches,
  • 01:13:43.180 --> 01:13:44.280
  • et cetera.
  • 01:13:44.280 --> 01:13:45.260
  • And despite that, God in his
  • 01:13:45.260 --> 01:13:48.010
  • great mercy for us is still
  • 01:13:48.010 --> 01:13:49.200
  • sending his Holy Spirit
  • 01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:50.250
  • radically throughout this
  • 01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:52.040
  • country, changing lives.
  • 01:13:52.040 --> 01:13:53.220
  • The gospel's being preached, but
  • 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:55.090
  • as we--as our--and you know,
  • 01:13:55.090 --> 01:13:56.290
  • Jay, better than anybody and I
  • 01:13:56.290 --> 01:13:58.140
  • admire you so much in your fight
  • 01:13:58.140 --> 01:13:59.210
  • in this capital and beyond, like
  • 01:13:59.210 --> 01:14:01.220
  • you said, before the Supreme
  • 01:14:01.220 --> 01:14:02.260
  • Court, we have Christians like
  • 01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:04.080
  • you and others who are standing
  • 01:14:04.080 --> 01:14:05.250
  • strong in their faith and
  • 01:14:05.250 --> 01:14:07.100
  • they're also giving opportunity
  • 01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:08.280
  • for other people to come out of
  • 01:14:08.280 --> 01:14:10.040
  • their shell, to come out of
  • 01:14:10.040 --> 01:14:11.160
  • their darkness and not be
  • 01:14:11.160 --> 01:14:12.260
  • cowards in the workplace but to
  • 01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:14.030
  • stand strong because there is
  • 01:14:14.030 --> 01:14:15.200
  • hope that God wants to use you
  • 01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:16.280
  • right where you're at.
  • 01:14:16.280 --> 01:14:18.100
  • And like you said, even simply
  • 01:14:18.100 --> 01:14:19.220
  • voting, being informed, being
  • 01:14:19.220 --> 01:14:21.230
  • educated, praying for your
  • 01:14:21.230 --> 01:14:23.050
  • nation--your elected officials,
  • 01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:24.240
  • this nation, people can stand
  • 01:14:24.240 --> 01:14:26.160
  • strong despite the fact they can
  • 01:14:26.160 --> 01:14:27.210
  • look at the stuff and, you know,
  • 01:14:27.210 --> 01:14:29.070
  • it gets overwhelming, like
  • 01:14:29.070 --> 01:14:30.040
  • you said.
  • 01:14:30.040 --> 01:14:30.240
  • All these terrorist attacks,
  • 01:14:30.240 --> 01:14:31.160
  • it gets overwhelming.
  • 01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:32.090
  • But we--God is using us
  • 01:14:32.090 --> 01:14:33.100
  • despite all this.
  • 01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:34.140
  • - Jay: Well, here's the thing
  • 01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:35.110
  • and I know this audience,
  • 01:14:35.110 --> 01:14:36.110
  • our family here at TBN,
  • 01:14:36.110 --> 01:14:37.270
  • will know this.
  • 01:14:37.270 --> 01:14:38.180
  • My kids, we're--are adults
  • 01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:39.230
  • and they have kids.
  • 01:14:39.230 --> 01:14:40.160
  • I mean, I'm a grandfather turned
  • 01:14:40.160 --> 01:14:41.110
  • 60 this year.
  • 01:14:41.110 --> 01:14:43.120
  • This audience watched my kids
  • 01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:44.170
  • grow up, Jordan and Logan, and
  • 01:14:44.170 --> 01:14:47.020
  • now they're both involved in
  • 01:14:47.060 --> 01:14:50.060
  • very significant work for
  • 01:14:50.060 --> 01:14:52.040
  • the betterment of, I think, not
  • 01:14:52.040 --> 01:14:53.170
  • only here in the United States,
  • 01:14:53.170 --> 01:14:54.250
  • but around the world.
  • 01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:55.220
  • Jordan's a lawyer, Logan heads
  • 01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:56.240
  • up all of our media.
  • 01:14:56.240 --> 01:14:57.260
  • And the fact is that there is
  • 01:14:57.260 --> 01:14:59.140
  • this generation of young people
  • 01:14:59.140 --> 01:15:00.250
  • that are committed to the truth,
  • 01:15:00.250 --> 01:15:02.010
  • committed to preserving
  • 01:15:02.010 --> 01:15:03.020
  • the truth and committed
  • 01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:03.270
  • to proclaiming it.
  • 01:15:03.270 --> 01:15:05.040
  • And we tend to think that
  • 01:15:05.040 --> 01:15:06.080
  • proclaiming a message of hope
  • 01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:07.210
  • is somehow not politically
  • 01:15:07.210 --> 01:15:08.100
  • palatable.
  • 01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:09.200
  • But look at what's being
  • 01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:11.040
  • bombarded the other way.
  • 01:15:11.040 --> 01:15:12.080
  • That's what I tell people.
  • 01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:13.110
  • Look what's being bombarded
  • 01:15:13.110 --> 01:15:14.040
  • at you, at your kids,
  • 01:15:14.040 --> 01:15:15.210
  • at your grandkids.
  • 01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:16.190
  • And say to yourself,
  • 01:15:16.190 --> 01:15:17.250
  • "Is that the country
  • 01:15:17.250 --> 01:15:18.260
  • I want them growing up in?"
  • 01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:20.010
  • And then on top of that,
  • 01:15:20.010 --> 01:15:21.140
  • as you just said, Jason,
  • 01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:22.210
  • you add the terrorism issues
  • 01:15:22.210 --> 01:15:24.060
  • which are significant.
  • 01:15:24.060 --> 01:15:25.110
  • You've gotta offer real hope,
  • 01:15:25.110 --> 01:15:27.170
  • though.
  • 01:15:27.170 --> 01:15:28.130
  • We've gotta have real hope.
  • 01:15:28.130 --> 01:15:29.160
  • - Jason: Yes, you have to have
  • 01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:30.090
  • hope.
  • 01:15:30.090 --> 01:15:30.290
  • And just watching right now.
  • 01:15:30.290 --> 01:15:31.280
  • Anybody watching, Jay, is to let
  • 01:15:31.280 --> 01:15:33.190
  • them know that despite what's
  • 01:15:33.190 --> 01:15:35.060
  • going on because we in our human
  • 01:15:35.060 --> 01:15:36.290
  • nature are inclined to look at
  • 01:15:36.290 --> 01:15:38.150
  • the bad and look at the evil and
  • 01:15:38.150 --> 01:15:39.290
  • get overwhelmed and get scared.
  • 01:15:39.290 --> 01:15:40.270
  • And that's where Satan wants us
  • 01:15:40.270 --> 01:15:42.070
  • to be.
  • 01:15:42.070 --> 01:15:43.000
  • He wants us to be in fear.
  • 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.070
  • Our message in this book and in
  • 01:15:44.070 --> 01:15:45.140
  • our ministry and out there as
  • 01:15:45.140 --> 01:15:47.150
  • a Christian witness is God can
  • 01:15:47.150 --> 01:15:48.290
  • use you where you're at and
  • 01:15:48.290 --> 01:15:50.080
  • that's the hope that we have.
  • 01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:51.060
  • - Jay: The bells of Washington,
  • 01:15:51.060 --> 01:15:52.120
  • D.C. You know, we are in our
  • 01:15:52.120 --> 01:15:53.240
  • nation's capital
  • 01:15:53.240 --> 01:15:54.200
  • but I need to say this.
  • 01:15:54.200 --> 01:15:56.010
  • We're in Washington, D.C.
  • 01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:57.210
  • And people say it's
  • 01:15:57.210 --> 01:15:58.230
  • the political capital.
  • 01:15:58.230 --> 01:15:59.270
  • It is the most important
  • 01:15:59.270 --> 01:16:01.040
  • political capital in the world,
  • 01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:03.080
  • if you just look at it from
  • 01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:04.070
  • a political standpoint.
  • 01:16:04.070 --> 01:16:05.140
  • What happens in
  • 01:16:05.140 --> 01:16:06.070
  • the United States of America
  • 01:16:06.070 --> 01:16:07.070
  • impacts every other country
  • 01:16:07.070 --> 01:16:08.090
  • in the world.
  • 01:16:08.090 --> 01:16:09.020
  • I mean, every other country in
  • 01:16:09.020 --> 01:16:10.240
  • the world.
  • 01:16:10.240 --> 01:16:11.270
  • There are a lot of countries
  • 01:16:11.270 --> 01:16:13.080
  • that have big capitals that are
  • 01:16:13.080 --> 01:16:15.010
  • strong political powers but
  • 01:16:15.010 --> 01:16:15.270
  • the United States of America,
  • 01:16:15.270 --> 01:16:17.070
  • we've been uniquely positioned,
  • 01:16:17.070 --> 01:16:18.200
  • I believe by God's grace, to
  • 01:16:18.200 --> 01:16:20.240
  • engage so many of these things.
  • 01:16:20.240 --> 01:16:22.240
  • Let's talk about
  • 01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:23.260
  • "A More Perfect Union."
  • 01:16:23.260 --> 01:16:25.290
  • You talked about a more perfect
  • 01:16:25.290 --> 01:16:27.130
  • union because we said, you know,
  • 01:16:27.130 --> 01:16:28.130
  • there's a lot of strife
  • 01:16:28.130 --> 01:16:29.150
  • right now.
  • 01:16:29.150 --> 01:16:30.050
  • There's a lot of unrest.
  • 01:16:30.050 --> 01:16:31.030
  • There's a lot of unrest in
  • 01:16:31.030 --> 01:16:31.290
  • our inner cities.
  • 01:16:31.290 --> 01:16:33.160
  • There's a lot of unrest
  • 01:16:33.160 --> 01:16:34.040
  • on our campuses.
  • 01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:34.250
  • This is the--it's palpable,
  • 01:16:34.250 --> 01:16:37.030
  • the tension that people feel.
  • 01:16:37.030 --> 01:16:38.180
  • You talk about this in chapter
  • 01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:40.040
  • 9, "A More Perfect Union."
  • 01:16:40.040 --> 01:16:41.230
  • - Jason: Yeah, well, that
  • 01:16:41.230 --> 01:16:42.240
  • phrase alone, as you and I know,
  • 01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:43.230
  • comes from the Constitution.
  • 01:16:43.230 --> 01:16:44.250
  • And sadly, Jay, we don't
  • 01:16:44.250 --> 01:16:47.080
  • understand what the founders
  • 01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:48.090
  • were trying to intend.
  • 01:16:48.090 --> 01:16:49.150
  • And building these checks and
  • 01:16:49.150 --> 01:16:51.090
  • balances, if you will, on our
  • 01:16:51.090 --> 01:16:52.090
  • three-branch system, it was to
  • 01:16:52.090 --> 01:16:53.290
  • establish a more perfect union.
  • 01:16:53.290 --> 01:16:55.280
  • The more moral and civil and
  • 01:16:55.280 --> 01:16:57.200
  • righteous and informed we are,
  • 01:16:57.220 --> 01:17:00.240
  • the better that union will be.
  • 01:17:00.240 --> 01:17:02.100
  • And so we're always striving for
  • 01:17:02.100 --> 01:17:03.290
  • that but right now we're in
  • 01:17:03.290 --> 01:17:05.100
  • a period of time in history, not
  • 01:17:05.100 --> 01:17:06.210
  • like our--not that we've never
  • 01:17:06.210 --> 01:17:08.070
  • been here before, but we're
  • 01:17:08.070 --> 01:17:09.120
  • losing that more perfect union.
  • 01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:10.290
  • And we need to fight for that
  • 01:17:10.290 --> 01:17:12.170
  • and one of the biggest ways to
  • 01:17:12.170 --> 01:17:14.080
  • get there is religious freedom.
  • 01:17:14.080 --> 01:17:16.150
  • Our first freedom.
  • 01:17:16.150 --> 01:17:17.110
  • And we're losing that right now.
  • 01:17:17.110 --> 01:17:18.230
  • - Jay: Well, you know, here's
  • 01:17:18.230 --> 01:17:19.160
  • my--let me give you my take on
  • 01:17:19.160 --> 01:17:21.180
  • the religious freedom issue.
  • 01:17:21.180 --> 01:17:22.120
  • I think if you look over
  • 01:17:22.120 --> 01:17:23.050
  • the last--if you look over 50
  • 01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:25.120
  • years, for the first 25 years
  • 01:17:25.120 --> 01:17:27.180
  • the church was asleep.
  • 01:17:27.180 --> 01:17:28.280
  • So it allowed religious freedom
  • 01:17:28.280 --> 01:17:30.080
  • to just kind of unravel.
  • 01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:31.150
  • Then in the last 25 years,
  • 01:17:31.150 --> 01:17:32.290
  • it--the church and others
  • 01:17:32.290 --> 01:17:35.090
  • have become much more engaged
  • 01:17:35.090 --> 01:17:36.120
  • in these issues.
  • 01:17:36.120 --> 01:17:38.020
  • So we're winning the battle
  • 01:17:38.020 --> 01:17:38.270
  • in the courtroom.
  • 01:17:38.270 --> 01:17:40.050
  • But you can't just win it in
  • 01:17:40.050 --> 01:17:41.000
  • the courtroom.
  • 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:41.240
  • You've gotta win it in
  • 01:17:41.240 --> 01:17:42.230
  • the court of public opinion.
  • 01:17:42.230 --> 01:17:43.200
  • You've gotta win it in
  • 01:17:43.200 --> 01:17:44.150
  • the hearts and minds of
  • 01:17:44.150 --> 01:17:45.130
  • the American people.
  • 01:17:45.130 --> 01:17:46.060
  • And by the way,
  • 01:17:46.060 --> 01:17:46.220
  • it says a more perfect union.
  • 01:17:46.220 --> 01:17:47.260
  • It doesn't say it will be
  • 01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:48.150
  • a perfect union.
  • 01:17:48.150 --> 01:17:49.130
  • I mean, Ben Franklin famously
  • 01:17:49.130 --> 01:17:50.180
  • said when asked by a woman as
  • 01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:52.000
  • he came out in Philadelphia,
  • 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.050
  • "What do we have,
  • 01:17:53.050 --> 01:17:53.290
  • Mr. Franklin--Dr. Franklin?"
  • 01:17:53.290 --> 01:17:55.080
  • "A republic,
  • 01:17:55.080 --> 01:17:56.160
  • if you can keep it."
  • 01:17:56.160 --> 01:17:57.170
  • And the fact is,
  • 01:17:57.170 --> 01:17:58.220
  • we have a great history.
  • 01:17:58.220 --> 01:18:00.100
  • We've had problems in our
  • 01:18:00.100 --> 01:18:02.000
  • history.
  • 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:02.220
  • We're not a perfect union
  • 01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:04.100
  • but we're always seeking
  • 01:18:04.100 --> 01:18:05.160
  • to be a more perfect union.
  • 01:18:05.160 --> 01:18:07.140
  • And I think the founders
  • 01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:08.040
  • utilized that words, those
  • 01:18:08.040 --> 01:18:09.270
  • words, intentionally, knowing
  • 01:18:09.270 --> 01:18:11.170
  • that we're not gonna be perfect.
  • 01:18:11.170 --> 01:18:12.170
  • And there's been plenty in our
  • 01:18:12.170 --> 01:18:13.230
  • history that's not perfect.
  • 01:18:13.230 --> 01:18:15.020
  • But there's not another--
  • 01:18:15.020 --> 01:18:16.070
  • I've litigated all over
  • 01:18:16.070 --> 01:18:17.080
  • the world, Jason.
  • 01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:18.000
  • I mean, I've litigated
  • 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:18.210
  • all over the world.
  • 01:18:18.210 --> 01:18:19.120
  • I--there's no place I'd rather
  • 01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:20.070
  • be fighting for justice,
  • 01:18:20.070 --> 01:18:22.120
  • thinking that I can actually
  • 01:18:22.120 --> 01:18:23.180
  • obtain justice, than
  • 01:18:23.180 --> 01:18:24.130
  • the United States of America.
  • 01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:25.160
  • - Jason: Yeah.
  • 01:18:25.160 --> 01:18:26.140
  • Well, and I was gonna say too,
  • 01:18:26.140 --> 01:18:27.100
  • Jay, and you're right, that's
  • 01:18:27.100 --> 01:18:28.210
  • why we need to keep fighting
  • 01:18:28.210 --> 01:18:30.080
  • and not give up.
  • 01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:31.010
  • A lot of people say,
  • 01:18:31.010 --> 01:18:31.180
  • "You know what?
  • 01:18:31.180 --> 01:18:32.100
  • You know, how do you like this
  • 01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:33.180
  • election coming up right now?"
  • 01:18:33.180 --> 01:18:34.170
  • People look at it in the eyes of
  • 01:18:34.170 --> 01:18:35.220
  • the two candidates and say,
  • 01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:37.070
  • you know, "What's the lesser
  • 01:18:37.070 --> 01:18:38.110
  • of the two evils?"
  • 01:18:38.110 --> 01:18:39.040
  • And both would say, "Well,
  • 01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:40.000
  • they're too evil for me to even
  • 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:41.040
  • vote for so I'm not even gonna
  • 01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:42.000
  • show up."
  • 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:42.210
  • I believe that that is
  • 01:18:42.210 --> 01:18:43.210
  • a way--it's a cop out to say
  • 01:18:43.210 --> 01:18:45.170
  • I'm not gonna show up.
  • 01:18:45.170 --> 01:18:46.120
  • I don't really necessarily care.
  • 01:18:46.120 --> 01:18:47.200
  • If you're gonna be waiting for
  • 01:18:47.200 --> 01:18:48.290
  • the perfect candidate or waiting
  • 01:18:48.290 --> 01:18:50.110
  • for the perfect government,
  • 01:18:50.110 --> 01:18:51.120
  • you're gonna keep on waiting.
  • 01:18:51.120 --> 01:18:52.120
  • - Jay: Look, I mean, politics,
  • 01:18:52.120 --> 01:18:53.040
  • you know, as Kuiper said,
  • 01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.280
  • you know, politics never raised
  • 01:18:54.280 --> 01:18:56.000
  • anybody from the dead.
  • 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.050
  • I didn't come up with that on
  • 01:18:57.050 --> 01:18:58.010
  • my own.
  • 01:18:58.010 --> 01:18:58.200
  • It's Abraham Kuiper,
  • 01:18:58.200 --> 01:18:59.220
  • the well-known theologian, came
  • 01:18:59.220 --> 01:19:00.190
  • up with this and it's right.
  • 01:19:00.190 --> 01:19:02.210
  • But that doesn't mean
  • 01:19:02.210 --> 01:19:03.170
  • not be engaged.
  • 01:19:03.170 --> 01:19:04.110
  • Because these guys were heavily
  • 01:19:04.110 --> 01:19:05.150
  • engaged in the body politic.
  • 01:19:05.150 --> 01:19:06.140
  • And we're never gonna tell
  • 01:19:06.140 --> 01:19:07.140
  • anybody how to vote but I always
  • 01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:08.140
  • tell people to vote.
  • 01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:09.090
  • Republican, democrat,
  • 01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:10.070
  • independent,
  • 01:19:10.070 --> 01:19:11.010
  • exercise your franchise.
  • 01:19:11.010 --> 01:19:12.010
  • Men and women have died
  • 01:19:12.010 --> 01:19:13.170
  • defending that franchise.
  • 01:19:13.170 --> 01:19:15.040
  • To not exercise
  • 01:19:15.040 --> 01:19:16.100
  • it would be horrible.
  • 01:19:16.100 --> 01:19:17.040
  • I think, a dereliction of
  • 01:19:17.040 --> 01:19:18.090
  • our duty as citizens of
  • 01:19:18.090 --> 01:19:19.240
  • the United States of America.
  • 01:19:19.240 --> 01:19:21.020
  • You talk about waking up
  • 01:19:21.020 --> 01:19:23.210
  • the church.
  • 01:19:23.210 --> 01:19:24.130
  • Now, I'm a lot older than you
  • 01:19:24.130 --> 01:19:25.190
  • but I will tell you this.
  • 01:19:25.190 --> 01:19:26.290
  • We've been talking about
  • 01:19:26.290 --> 01:19:28.080
  • this for 30 years.
  • 01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:29.180
  • And I do think--I see pastors,
  • 01:19:29.180 --> 01:19:31.150
  • I see churches, I see religious
  • 01:19:31.150 --> 01:19:33.160
  • institutions, faith-based
  • 01:19:33.160 --> 01:19:34.140
  • groups, more engaged now than
  • 01:19:34.140 --> 01:19:35.140
  • they have been.
  • 01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:36.110
  • Not to the level they need to be
  • 01:19:36.110 --> 01:19:37.110
  • but more engaged.
  • 01:19:37.110 --> 01:19:38.100
  • What are you seeing?
  • 01:19:38.100 --> 01:19:39.020
  • - Jason: Yeah, I would say, I
  • 01:19:39.020 --> 01:19:40.210
  • mean, I've been, surprisingly
  • 01:19:40.210 --> 01:19:41.260
  • since Arizona days, where I grew
  • 01:19:41.260 --> 01:19:44.120
  • up, Jay, for the last 20 years
  • 01:19:44.120 --> 01:19:46.150
  • been working with families and
  • 01:19:46.150 --> 01:19:47.170
  • millennials is really my
  • 01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:48.150
  • passion.
  • 01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:49.130
  • And what I'm seeing is I'm
  • 01:19:49.130 --> 01:19:51.040
  • seeing a wake-up like you said
  • 01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.220
  • and--but there's sexual sin.
  • 01:19:52.220 --> 01:19:54.160
  • There has been people who have
  • 01:19:54.160 --> 01:19:56.110
  • gone asleep recently.
  • 01:19:56.110 --> 01:19:57.190
  • We're putting a rally together
  • 01:19:57.190 --> 01:19:58.170
  • with a very well-known
  • 01:19:58.170 --> 01:19:59.170
  • organization that's involved in
  • 01:19:59.170 --> 01:20:00.250
  • conservative politics.
  • 01:20:00.250 --> 01:20:02.130
  • And many of the churches look at
  • 01:20:02.130 --> 01:20:04.180
  • the issue of this religious
  • 01:20:04.180 --> 01:20:06.040
  • freedom, this bathroom deal.
  • 01:20:06.040 --> 01:20:07.170
  • I'm from North Carolina so
  • 01:20:07.170 --> 01:20:08.110
  • the whole HB2 thing has been
  • 01:20:08.110 --> 01:20:09.160
  • blown up the last few months.
  • 01:20:09.160 --> 01:20:10.270
  • So we've definitely been
  • 01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:12.020
  • engaging those issues a lot with
  • 01:20:12.020 --> 01:20:13.080
  • the non-discrimination ordinance
  • 01:20:13.080 --> 01:20:14.070
  • issues that are all over
  • 01:20:14.070 --> 01:20:15.060
  • the country.
  • 01:20:15.060 --> 01:20:15.280
  • And so Charlotte got hit with
  • 01:20:15.280 --> 01:20:17.080
  • it, along, you know, 2 years ago
  • 01:20:17.080 --> 01:20:18.170
  • and then just recently.
  • 01:20:18.170 --> 01:20:19.220
  • And a lot of the churches did
  • 01:20:19.220 --> 01:20:20.270
  • not want to touch that side.
  • 01:20:20.270 --> 01:20:23.070
  • So I get that side.
  • 01:20:23.070 --> 01:20:24.040
  • But I'm also seeing a lot of
  • 01:20:24.040 --> 01:20:26.050
  • churches and a lot of other
  • 01:20:26.050 --> 01:20:27.200
  • denominations gathering together
  • 01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:29.140
  • and being unified and waking up
  • 01:20:29.140 --> 01:20:31.110
  • to how God can use 'em more
  • 01:20:31.110 --> 01:20:33.080
  • effective in their communities
  • 01:20:33.080 --> 01:20:34.090
  • and banding together.
  • 01:20:34.090 --> 01:20:36.060
  • I am very hopeful, not just
  • 01:20:36.060 --> 01:20:37.020
  • currently but, Jay, I will say
  • 01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:38.200
  • this.
  • 01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:39.220
  • And I believe in the power of
  • 01:20:39.220 --> 01:20:40.260
  • the Holy Spirit coming upon this
  • 01:20:40.260 --> 01:20:41.280
  • next generation.
  • 01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:42.250
  • I believe a lot of the
  • 01:20:42.250 --> 01:20:43.190
  • millennials that are currently
  • 01:20:43.190 --> 01:20:44.190
  • in ministry, doing church
  • 01:20:44.190 --> 01:20:46.040
  • plants, doing mission work or,
  • 01:20:46.040 --> 01:20:47.140
  • right now, asleep and in debt in
  • 01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:50.000
  • their, you know, the student
  • 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:51.050
  • loans and university, God is
  • 01:20:51.050 --> 01:20:51.280
  • calling this generation to wake
  • 01:20:51.280 --> 01:20:53.050
  • up the church.
  • 01:20:53.050 --> 01:20:54.010
  • And so I think in the next few
  • 01:20:54.010 --> 01:20:54.280
  • years we're gonna see a revival.
  • 01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:55.260
  • - Jay: I'm, actually,
  • 01:20:55.260 --> 01:20:56.180
  • I'm optimistic.
  • 01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:57.240
  • I look at--you take the issue of
  • 01:20:57.240 --> 01:20:59.140
  • life and I grew up in--you know,
  • 01:20:59.140 --> 01:21:01.270
  • I defended Operation Rescue.
  • 01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:03.130
  • The folks that are watching this
  • 01:21:03.130 --> 01:21:04.170
  • saw me defend it 'cause TBN ran
  • 01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:06.130
  • it for years when we were
  • 01:21:06.130 --> 01:21:07.210
  • in court on these cases,
  • 01:21:07.210 --> 01:21:08.220
  • defending the right to life.
  • 01:21:08.220 --> 01:21:09.270
  • We in a real way and
  • 01:21:09.270 --> 01:21:11.150
  • a significant way have won that
  • 01:21:11.150 --> 01:21:13.100
  • issue because of millennials.
  • 01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:14.150
  • They view it now as
  • 01:21:14.150 --> 01:21:15.130
  • a human rights issue.
  • 01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:16.070
  • Other issues, not so much but
  • 01:21:16.070 --> 01:21:17.110
  • on the life issue I think
  • 01:21:17.110 --> 01:21:18.230
  • there's been clear progress.
  • 01:21:18.230 --> 01:21:19.180
  • You talk about waking up.
  • 01:21:19.180 --> 01:21:20.260
  • The millennials also, because I
  • 01:21:20.260 --> 01:21:23.130
  • work with a lot of millennials,
  • 01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:24.280
  • I'm kind of a grandfather of
  • 01:21:24.280 --> 01:21:26.000
  • millennials, I call it,
  • 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:26.240
  • or father of millennials.
  • 01:21:26.240 --> 01:21:28.280
  • But the fact is,
  • 01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:29.220
  • it is a generation.
  • 01:21:29.220 --> 01:21:31.070
  • Every generation's called to a
  • 01:21:31.070 --> 01:21:32.160
  • unique and distinct purpose.
  • 01:21:32.160 --> 01:21:33.270
  • I believe that.
  • 01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:34.160
  • We talk about the World War II
  • 01:21:34.160 --> 01:21:35.100
  • generation being the greatest
  • 01:21:35.100 --> 01:21:36.100
  • generation.
  • 01:21:36.100 --> 01:21:37.040
  • And I think for what they were
  • 01:21:37.040 --> 01:21:38.100
  • facing, the World War II
  • 01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:40.040
  • generation was the greatest
  • 01:21:40.040 --> 01:21:41.030
  • generation but that doesn't mean
  • 01:21:41.030 --> 01:21:42.180
  • that this generation doesn't
  • 01:21:42.180 --> 01:21:43.220
  • also have to be the greatest
  • 01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:44.280
  • generation because as difficult
  • 01:21:44.280 --> 01:21:46.210
  • as it was in World War II,
  • 01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:48.070
  • the scope and nature of what
  • 01:21:48.070 --> 01:21:50.040
  • we're dealing with now
  • 01:21:50.040 --> 01:21:50.210
  • is just as complex.
  • 01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:51.230
  • Maybe more so.
  • 01:21:51.230 --> 01:21:52.290
  • So waking up that generation or
  • 01:21:52.290 --> 01:21:55.290
  • getting that generation engaged,
  • 01:21:55.290 --> 01:21:57.150
  • I spent a lot of time on that
  • 01:21:57.150 --> 01:21:58.140
  • as well.
  • 01:21:58.140 --> 01:21:59.080
  • I think it's important.
  • 01:21:59.080 --> 01:21:59.290
  • You talk about the role in
  • 01:21:59.290 --> 01:22:01.050
  • restoring America's true
  • 01:22:01.050 --> 01:22:02.190
  • greatness, that each of us have
  • 01:22:02.190 --> 01:22:03.150
  • a role to play.
  • 01:22:03.150 --> 01:22:04.150
  • And that's something I talk
  • 01:22:04.150 --> 01:22:05.090
  • about a lot.
  • 01:22:05.090 --> 01:22:06.020
  • That we each have a--I think,
  • 01:22:06.020 --> 01:22:08.260
  • a mandate to engage.
  • 01:22:08.260 --> 01:22:10.120
  • What are you talking about in
  • 01:22:10.120 --> 01:22:11.040
  • that chapter of your book?
  • 01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:11.290
  • - Jason: Yeah, I think, Jay,
  • 01:22:11.290 --> 01:22:12.220
  • along with all the people
  • 01:22:12.220 --> 01:22:14.020
  • listening and watching, that
  • 01:22:14.020 --> 01:22:15.020
  • they know what you guys, ACLJ,
  • 01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:17.130
  • stands for and we're right there
  • 01:22:17.130 --> 01:22:18.190
  • with you.
  • 01:22:18.190 --> 01:22:19.090
  • Restoring the greatness of
  • 01:22:19.090 --> 01:22:20.150
  • America is not just a tagline.
  • 01:22:20.150 --> 01:22:22.240
  • What it's saying is that we
  • 01:22:22.240 --> 01:22:24.090
  • gotta get back to God, using
  • 01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:25.210
  • our spiritual gifts, uniting
  • 01:22:25.210 --> 01:22:27.130
  • together, loving each other,
  • 01:22:27.130 --> 01:22:29.010
  • being effective, living out the
  • 01:22:29.010 --> 01:22:30.110
  • gospel, proclaiming the gospel,
  • 01:22:30.110 --> 01:22:31.160
  • utilizing what these founding
  • 01:22:31.160 --> 01:22:33.070
  • documents from declaring our
  • 01:22:33.070 --> 01:22:34.100
  • independence to establishing
  • 01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:35.290
  • a more perfect union like we
  • 01:22:35.290 --> 01:22:37.130
  • talked about, to then having
  • 01:22:37.130 --> 01:22:38.270
  • these rights that are God-given.
  • 01:22:38.270 --> 01:22:40.210
  • And utilizing those in a way to
  • 01:22:40.210 --> 01:22:42.220
  • make greater impact
  • 01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:44.120
  • and, like you said,
  • 01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:45.290
  • our history is very short.
  • 01:22:45.290 --> 01:22:47.150
  • We'll talking less than
  • 01:22:47.150 --> 01:22:48.050
  • 300 years.
  • 01:22:48.050 --> 01:22:48.250
  • But yet what God has done in
  • 01:22:48.250 --> 01:22:50.080
  • these 300 years is magnificent,
  • 01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:52.040
  • it's powerful.
  • 01:22:52.040 --> 01:22:52.240
  • When you look throughout
  • 01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:53.160
  • civilization and the more that I
  • 01:22:53.160 --> 01:22:55.100
  • teach this kind of stuff in the
  • 01:22:55.100 --> 01:22:56.110
  • church, people are blown away.
  • 01:22:56.110 --> 01:22:58.210
  • They didn't realize and, you
  • 01:22:58.210 --> 01:23:00.050
  • know what?
  • 01:23:00.050 --> 01:23:00.250
  • I will say this too.
  • 01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:01.210
  • Going back to greatness is, I
  • 01:23:01.210 --> 01:23:03.010
  • believe a lot of these people
  • 01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:04.260
  • who are elected officials, Jay,
  • 01:23:04.260 --> 01:23:06.040
  • that are actually listening once
  • 01:23:06.040 --> 01:23:07.200
  • again to God's anointed,
  • 01:23:07.200 --> 01:23:09.080
  • to God's ordained ministers.
  • 01:23:09.080 --> 01:23:10.180
  • Because our founders were
  • 01:23:10.180 --> 01:23:11.220
  • heavily influenced by great
  • 01:23:11.220 --> 01:23:13.050
  • preachers of God's Word.
  • 01:23:13.050 --> 01:23:14.110
  • And I'm saying if we get back to
  • 01:23:14.110 --> 01:23:16.120
  • God, get back to his Word, and
  • 01:23:16.120 --> 01:23:18.140
  • understand how this nation has
  • 01:23:18.180 --> 01:23:21.180
  • been established and been made
  • 01:23:21.180 --> 01:23:23.070
  • for a purpose, you will start
  • 01:23:23.070 --> 01:23:25.030
  • seeing great things again.
  • 01:23:25.030 --> 01:23:25.270
  • I think the millennials are
  • 01:23:25.270 --> 01:23:26.210
  • gonna take that charge.
  • 01:23:26.210 --> 01:23:27.140
  • - Jay: I believe that.
  • 01:23:27.140 --> 01:23:28.090
  • You know, I, in a book I
  • 01:23:28.090 --> 01:23:29.040
  • recently wrote, I talked about
  • 01:23:29.040 --> 01:23:30.050
  • the three R's, you know,
  • 01:23:30.050 --> 01:23:31.080
  • in schools we always said
  • 01:23:31.080 --> 01:23:33.000
  • everything by three this and
  • 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:34.170
  • three that, it was kind of rote.
  • 01:23:34.170 --> 01:23:36.000
  • But it was resist, reform,
  • 01:23:36.150 --> 01:23:39.150
  • restore.
  • 01:23:39.150 --> 01:23:40.140
  • When you've got opposition or
  • 01:23:40.140 --> 01:23:41.210
  • a law or a bill or an issue that
  • 01:23:41.210 --> 01:23:43.230
  • you think is wrong or impacts
  • 01:23:43.230 --> 01:23:45.270
  • your ability to be who you're
  • 01:23:45.270 --> 01:23:47.020
  • supposed to be, God's called you
  • 01:23:47.020 --> 01:23:48.140
  • to be, you resist.
  • 01:23:48.140 --> 01:23:50.080
  • Then you seek to reform it so at
  • 01:23:50.080 --> 01:23:52.220
  • the institutions--we're staring
  • 01:23:52.220 --> 01:23:54.030
  • at the nation's Capitol.
  • 01:23:54.030 --> 01:23:55.050
  • There needs to be reform inside
  • 01:23:55.050 --> 01:23:57.040
  • our government and republican,
  • 01:23:57.040 --> 01:23:58.110
  • democrat, independent, almost
  • 01:23:58.110 --> 01:23:59.080
  • doesn't matter.
  • 01:23:59.080 --> 01:24:00.040
  • It's we need a reformation
  • 01:24:00.040 --> 01:24:02.000
  • inside of government.
  • 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:03.040
  • And then once you've resisted
  • 01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:05.110
  • and reformed it,
  • 01:24:05.110 --> 01:24:06.170
  • you can restore it.
  • 01:24:06.170 --> 01:24:07.130
  • And when we're talking about--
  • 01:24:07.130 --> 01:24:08.090
  • I talk about restoring,
  • 01:24:08.090 --> 01:24:09.000
  • I'm talking about restoring to
  • 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.000
  • a true constitutional framework,
  • 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.190
  • a framework where we actually
  • 01:24:11.190 --> 01:24:13.060
  • believe what our founding
  • 01:24:13.060 --> 01:24:14.100
  • documents say, that we have
  • 01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:15.150
  • three branches of government,
  • 01:24:15.150 --> 01:24:16.230
  • that they are co-equal, that
  • 01:24:16.230 --> 01:24:18.080
  • we believe what the Declaration
  • 01:24:18.080 --> 01:24:19.090
  • of Independence says.
  • 01:24:19.090 --> 01:24:20.080
  • That we're endowed by
  • 01:24:20.080 --> 01:24:21.020
  • our creator; not by government,
  • 01:24:21.020 --> 01:24:22.070
  • but by our creator,
  • 01:24:22.070 --> 01:24:23.120
  • with these inalienable rights,
  • 01:24:23.120 --> 01:24:24.120
  • like liberty,
  • 01:24:24.120 --> 01:24:25.130
  • the pursuit of happiness.
  • 01:24:25.130 --> 01:24:26.030
  • That those are gifts from God,
  • 01:24:26.030 --> 01:24:28.230
  • not guarantees
  • 01:24:28.230 --> 01:24:29.260
  • from the government.
  • 01:24:29.260 --> 01:24:30.170
  • The government's job is to
  • 01:24:30.170 --> 01:24:31.130
  • defend and protect those rights
  • 01:24:31.130 --> 01:24:32.180
  • but they don't originate
  • 01:24:32.180 --> 01:24:33.190
  • with the government.
  • 01:24:33.190 --> 01:24:34.160
  • So I look at that.
  • 01:24:34.160 --> 01:24:36.060
  • Final statement I'd like
  • 01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:37.060
  • you to talk about.
  • 01:24:37.060 --> 01:24:38.080
  • You talk about hope,
  • 01:24:38.080 --> 01:24:39.080
  • you're talking about working
  • 01:24:39.080 --> 01:24:40.000
  • with the generation.
  • 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:40.210
  • What's the biggest challenge?
  • 01:24:40.210 --> 01:24:41.230
  • - Jason: I think the biggest
  • 01:24:41.230 --> 01:24:42.260
  • challenge right now that we face
  • 01:24:42.260 --> 01:24:43.280
  • to this generation is having
  • 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.140
  • the actual conversation
  • 01:24:47.140 --> 01:24:48.260
  • in community.
  • 01:24:48.260 --> 01:24:50.040
  • I think if we, you know, we
  • 01:24:50.040 --> 01:24:51.200
  • expect to reach millennials
  • 01:24:51.200 --> 01:24:52.290
  • within the church walls, Jay, I
  • 01:24:52.290 --> 01:24:54.020
  • don't think that's the answer.
  • 01:24:54.020 --> 01:24:55.190
  • I think that you have to
  • 01:24:55.190 --> 01:24:56.090
  • your generation, as well as
  • 01:24:58.110 --> 01:24:59.210
  • grandparents but also adapting,
  • 01:24:59.210 --> 01:25:01.260
  • making opportunity to have this
  • 01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:03.190
  • type of conversation and being
  • 01:25:03.190 --> 01:25:04.250
  • willing to have that
  • 01:25:04.250 --> 01:25:05.190
  • conversation without being
  • 01:25:05.190 --> 01:25:06.210
  • judgmental or having
  • 01:25:06.210 --> 01:25:07.130
  • preconceived notions
  • 01:25:07.130 --> 01:25:08.240
  • to this coming generation.
  • 01:25:08.240 --> 01:25:10.130
  • Because look, there's a lot
  • 01:25:10.130 --> 01:25:11.060
  • of self-entitlement, there's
  • 01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:12.140
  • a lot of ignorance there.
  • 01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:13.250
  • But there's some genuine
  • 01:25:13.250 --> 01:25:14.290
  • authentic people that wanna
  • 01:25:14.290 --> 01:25:16.040
  • have genuine conversation
  • 01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:17.070
  • of substance that will lead
  • 01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:18.070
  • to a more perfect union.
  • 01:25:18.070 --> 01:25:19.160
  • - Jay: Do you have hope,
  • 01:25:19.160 --> 01:25:20.060
  • though?
  • 01:25:20.060 --> 01:25:20.240
  • You have great hope?
  • 01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:21.100
  • - Jason: I have hope because
  • 01:25:21.100 --> 01:25:22.010
  • Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.
  • 01:25:22.010 --> 01:25:23.220
  • - Jay: Do you find right now as
  • 01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:25.250
  • you--I wanna close with this.
  • 01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:27.110
  • Talk to--I want you to talk
  • 01:25:27.110 --> 01:25:28.290
  • to the millennials
  • 01:25:28.290 --> 01:25:29.230
  • that are watching.
  • 01:25:29.230 --> 01:25:30.140
  • Tell them why they
  • 01:25:30.140 --> 01:25:31.180
  • should be engaged,
  • 01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:32.090
  • why they must be engaged.
  • 01:25:32.090 --> 01:25:33.020
  • - Jason: Our prayer, you guys
  • 01:25:33.020 --> 01:25:35.100
  • watching the show right now,
  • 01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:36.020
  • if you're in your 20-something
  • 01:25:36.020 --> 01:25:37.020
  • or you're a teenager and you're
  • 01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:38.110
  • struggling, you don't know
  • 01:25:38.110 --> 01:25:39.130
  • what your identity is when this
  • 01:25:39.130 --> 01:25:40.270
  • culture that we live in right
  • 01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:42.010
  • now is trying to shape you,
  • 01:25:42.010 --> 01:25:42.280
  • it's trying to brainwash you,
  • 01:25:42.280 --> 01:25:44.000
  • don't buy into those lies.
  • 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:45.020
  • God loves you.
  • 01:25:45.020 --> 01:25:46.130
  • He sent his Son,
  • 01:25:46.130 --> 01:25:47.210
  • the power of the Holy Spirit
  • 01:25:47.210 --> 01:25:48.180
  • could come upon you.
  • 01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:49.140
  • Despite what's happening
  • 01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:50.130
  • with all the violence,
  • 01:25:50.130 --> 01:25:51.200
  • with what's happening with ISIS,
  • 01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:52.240
  • God can use you.
  • 01:25:52.240 --> 01:25:54.010
  • If you want him to use you, pray
  • 01:25:54.010 --> 01:25:55.250
  • right now and ask the Lord
  • 01:25:55.250 --> 01:25:56.290
  • to come into your life and to
  • 01:25:56.290 --> 01:25:58.040
  • empower you so that you could
  • 01:25:58.040 --> 01:25:59.210
  • be the vessel of honor,
  • 01:25:59.210 --> 01:26:00.260
  • sanctified and useful
  • 01:26:00.260 --> 01:26:02.020
  • for the Master, prepared
  • 01:26:02.020 --> 01:26:03.130
  • for every single good work.
  • 01:26:03.130 --> 01:26:05.040
  • - Jay: The book by Jason
  • 01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:06.000
  • is called "Stand Strong America:
  • 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:07.230
  • Courage, Freedom,
  • 01:26:07.230 --> 01:26:08.250
  • and Hope for Tomorrow."
  • 01:26:08.250 --> 01:26:09.230
  • It's been our pleasure having
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  • you on this broadcast.
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  • I will tell you something.
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  • You give me a lot of hope, you--
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  • - Jason: Thank you, Jay.
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  • God bless you.
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  • God bless you.
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  • - Jay: Well, that's gonna do it
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  • for the broadcast this evening
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  • from Washington, D.C. I hope
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  • this was a message of hope.
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  • I wanna thank all of our guests
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  • for participating in what I
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  • believe is not only an important
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  • program but gives us something
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  • to think about and pray about.
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  • And let's pray for those
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  • in authority, regardless
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  • of political party.
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  • Pray for those in authority.
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  • Pray for those in authority.
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  • [music]
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