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December 22, 2016
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Episode 8

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  • - Emma Mullings: Hi,
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  • I'm Emma Mullings.
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  • - Tim Douglass:
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  • And I'm Tim Douglass.
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  • - Emma: We have some of
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  • the best international speakers,
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  • some amazing worship, all
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  • happening in the next 1 hour.
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  • - Tim: This is
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  • - Erwin McManus: I've been
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  • married for over 30 years.
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  • And if you've been married
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  • a long time, you know that
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  • your wife will ask you a lot of
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  • questions that she doesn't
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  • need to ask you.
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  • I love the general questions
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  • she asks me,
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  • "What were you thinking?"
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  • - Laura Toggs: Hi, guys!
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  • [crosstalk]
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  • - Terry Crist: Hey, Laura.
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  • We have Laura Toggs
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  • with us on the set.
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  • - Laura: I'm late.
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  • I'm sorry I'm late.
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  • But can I tell you
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  • the true story?
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  • - Terry: Yes.
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  • - Laura: They have, like,
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  • "Hillsong Backstage" running.
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  • I went there thinking
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  • that was this.
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  • And I got an Otropo meal
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  • from Oporto.
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  • I've been eating for the last
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  • 10 minutes, not knowing that
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  • - Erwin: I worked as a
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  • filmmaker, and as a fashion
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  • designer, and as a pastor
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  • in the world of, of really,
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  • just the creative process.
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  • And I wanted to answer the
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  • question, "What is it that makes
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  • - Niyah Rahmaan: Rumor has it
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  • you recently went on a trip
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  • with United out to Israel
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  • and to Lebanon.
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  • Tell us about that.
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  • - Paul Nevison: When we went to
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  • Lebanon, and you know, bein' in
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  • the refugee camps, and being
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  • confronted with a level of
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  • hopelessness that I've not
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  • really ever encountered before
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  • was, yeah, it really kind of
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  • Like, I thought
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  • I'd seen everything.
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  • And then I went and there was
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  • - Juan Mejías: What has been
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  • your favorite moment
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  • for conference this year?
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  • - all: Young & Free!
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  • - Juan: Young & Free!
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  • What--
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  • - Damsy Mich:
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  • - Emma: Well, a part of
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  • Hillsong Conference is also
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  • the Young & Free Conference.
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  • Now, I actually tried to get
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  • in there, Tim, but they said
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  • I was a little bit old.
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  • I can't believe it.
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  • - Tim: I can't,
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  • it's discrimination.
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  • I can't believe it.
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  • - Emma: [laughing]
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  • But they have been getting up
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  • to a whole heap of fun.
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  • - Juan: How are you?
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  • You guys are here very early.
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  • Why did you come so early today?
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  • - female: 'Cause we love God.
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  • - Juan: That's good.
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  • But you can love God
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  • and come at 10.
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  • No, no, so, you guys gonna have
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  • the best seats today, yeah?
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  • - female: We'll have
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  • the best seats.
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  • - Juan: Awesome, so what
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  • has been your favorite moment
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  • for conference this year?
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  • - all: Young & Free!
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  • - Juan: Young & Free!
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  • What--
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  • - Damsy: Ah, that's awesome.
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  • - Juan: Why is that?
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  • Why is Young & Free
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  • your favorite?
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  • - female: 'Cause you feel more
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  • connected, like, and 'cause
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  • you're around people your age.
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  • - female: Yeah, and you relate
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  • to the message more.
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  • - Juan: Oh, the--awesome.
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  • - Damsy: That's awesome.
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  • And what did you guys do?
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  • Like, can you tell us what's
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  • Young & Free all about?
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  • Just come closer.
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  • Just come closer.
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  • - Juan: C'mon.
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  • - female: So there's a lot of
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  • praise and worship, and just
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  • on a level that everyone
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  • of this age group can relate to.
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  • And it's just, it's really
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  • important to us the way that
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  • we get all pumped up for God
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  • because, you know, the church
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  • isn't boring, and it's not just,
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  • like, it's very energetic.
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  • - Juan: That's awesome.
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  • So did you guys know each other
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  • when you guys came?
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  • - all: Yeah.
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  • - Juan: Oh, fantastic.
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  • - Damsy: Did you make
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  • a lot of new friends.
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  • - female: Yes.
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  • - female: Yes.
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  • - Juan: It's good.
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  • - Damsy: Awesome.
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  • Nice to meet you guys.
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  • - male: What's up, guys?
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  • We're here with
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  • "Young & Free TV."
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  • And we've got our friend here,
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  • Tukai.
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  • He's from
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  • the Sydney City Campus.
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  • And it's real simple,
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  • real simple.
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  • He is playing for
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  • unlimited merchandise
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  • here today,
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  • Young & Free apparel.
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  • Tukai, how do you feel
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  • about that?
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  • - Tukai: I feel all right,
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  • yeah--
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  • - male: Fell all right?
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  • Tukai '16, you ready to go?
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  • Do you play a little bit of
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  • basketball?
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  • - Tukai: Yeah, a little bit,
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  • yeah.
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  • - male: Yeah, you're good?
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  • All right, so it's real simple.
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  • We're gonna blindfold him.
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  • And then he's gonna shoot
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  • the ball behind his head,
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  • get it in the rim.
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  • If he gets it in, free merch
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  • for the rest of your life.
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  • Are you ready?
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  • - Tukai: Yeah, I'm ready.
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  • - male: All right, awesome.
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  • Let's do this.
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  • Let's blindfold him.
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  • Do you guys wanna see him
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  • get it in?
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  • - all: [cheering]
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  • - male: We're on, guys.
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  • We're on.
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  • We're on.
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  • Man, there we go.
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  • There we go.
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  • All right, who wants to see
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  • this guy get it in?
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  • - all: [cheering]
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  • - male: We're gonna count down.
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  • In five--
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  • - all: Four, three, two, one,
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  • - male: Tukai!
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  • Tukai!
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  • Tukai '16, you've just won
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  • - all: [cheering]
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  • - male: What the heck?
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  • - male: Hey, so all you have to
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  • do is head to the merch stand.
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  • And if you can take your wallet,
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  • you can just buy whatever
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  • you want, yeah.
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  • - all: [laughing]
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  • - male: Sorry, mate.
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  • - male: Sorry Bro, you didn't
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  • get it in.
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  • But Chino's gonna hook
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  • you up with your hoodie, okay?
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  • - Tukai: All right.
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  • - male: Do you wanna say, "Hi,"
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  • to the channel?
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  • - Tukai: Hello.
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  • - male: Say, "Goodbye."
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  • - Tukai: Goodbye.
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  • - male: And that was
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  • - all: [laughing]
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  • - Steve McPherson: Now,
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  • I have to say, I mean, you are
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  • an incredibly creative man.
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  • You're a great teacher
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  • of the Word.
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  • And you are probably the stylish
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  • preacher, the most stylish
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  • preacher I have ever seen.
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  • - Mel Wade: I will tell ya,
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  • you're like the stylish dude.
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  • I'm like, "Oh, this guy.
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  • He is, like--"
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  • - Erwin: You know,
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  • I was a fashion designer.
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  • I had a fashion company
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  • for several years.
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  • - Steve: Are you wearing
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  • your own stuff right now?
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  • - Erwin: No, I'm not,
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  • but I'm wearing things I wish
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  • I had made.
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  • - Erwin: So good to be here
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  • with you guys.
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  • - Mel: Yeah, totally.
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  • How are you going?
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  • - Erwin: This has been
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  • an amazing, amazing week,
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  • so inspiring.
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  • - Mel: Yeah, this is your first
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  • time to Hillsong Conference?
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  • - Erwin: I have never been
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  • to Hillsong Conference.
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  • And I came with my
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  • wife, Kim, our son, Aaron, our
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  • daughter, Mariah, her husband,
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  • Jake, and about five
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  • of our pastors from Mosaic
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  • in Los Angeles--
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  • - Mel: Oh, that's amazing.
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  • - Erwin: And it has absolutely
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  • rocked everyone's world.
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  • - Mel: Really?
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  • I'm so pleased.
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  • - Steve: That's great.
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  • We love having you here, man.
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  • You've brought so much
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  • to the conference.
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  • Your first conference,
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  • and you've just--
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  • - Mel: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  • - Steve: You've really touched
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  • us all.
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  • - Mel: Absolutely.
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  • - Steve: And we love havin'
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  • you here--
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  • - Mel: No, absolutely.
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  • A lot of the guests that have
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  • come out and we've talked to
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  • as often referred to,
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  • "Erwin's message was
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  • so impacting."
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  • And so, thank you for coming.
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  • - Steve: Now, I have to say,
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  • I mean, you are an incredibly
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  • creative man.
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  • You're a great teacher
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  • of the Word.
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  • And you are probably the stylish
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  • preacher, the most stylish
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  • preacher I have ever seen.
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  • - Mel: I will tell ya,
  • 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:06.100
  • you're like the stylish dude.
  • 00:07:06.100 --> 00:07:08.070
  • I'm like, "Oh, this guy.
  • 00:07:08.070 --> 00:07:09.100
  • He is, like--"
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  • - Erwin: You know,
  • 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:11.100
  • I was a fashion designer.
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  • I had a fashion company
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  • for several years.
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  • - Steve: Are you wearing
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  • your own stuff right now?
  • 00:07:14.170 --> 00:07:15.070
  • - Erwin: No, I'm not,
  • 00:07:15.070 --> 00:07:15.280
  • but I'm wearing things
  • 00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:16.150
  • I wish I had made.
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  • - Mel: Yeah, totally.
  • 00:07:17.080 --> 00:07:18.090
  • Okay.
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  • - Steve: I mean,
  • 00:07:18.250 --> 00:07:19.100
  • this is so cool.
  • 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:20.030
  • - Mel: No, so you must like
  • 00:07:20.030 --> 00:07:20.280
  • my pink jacket then, please.
  • 00:07:20.280 --> 00:07:21.270
  • - Erwin: You're brilliant,
  • 00:07:21.270 --> 00:07:22.250
  • brilliant.
  • 00:07:22.250 --> 00:07:23.150
  • - Mel: See that?
  • 00:07:23.150 --> 00:07:24.060
  • Everyone out there watching,
  • 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:24.240
  • Erwin likes my jacket.
  • 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:28.180
  • - Erwin: It takes a unique
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  • personality to wear that fur.
  • 00:07:29.090 --> 00:07:31.170
  • - Steve: That's exactly what
  • 00:07:31.170 --> 00:07:32.100
  • I've been tryin' to say to you,
  • 00:07:32.100 --> 00:07:33.180
  • Mel.
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  • - Mel: Okay, what about
  • 00:07:34.210 --> 00:07:35.160
  • my shoes?
  • 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:36.080
  • - Erwin: It goes
  • 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:37.120
  • with the jacket.
  • 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.210
  • - Mel: It's okay.
  • 00:07:38.210 --> 00:07:39.290
  • - Erwin: It's a beautiful
  • 00:07:39.290 --> 00:07:40.220
  • jacket.
  • 00:07:40.220 --> 00:07:41.090
  • - Mel: If Erwin likes it,
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  • I'm okay.
  • 00:07:41.260 --> 00:07:42.130
  • That's all I'm gonna say.
  • 00:07:42.130 --> 00:07:43.020
  • - Steve: So, how, what was
  • 00:07:43.020 --> 00:07:44.000
  • it--I mean, tell me about your
  • 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:44.250
  • time when you were designing
  • 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:45.220
  • fashion, designing clothes.
  • 00:07:45.220 --> 00:07:46.190
  • How did you go through that
  • 00:07:46.190 --> 00:07:47.220
  • process of coming up with
  • 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:48.200
  • inspiration, and ideas, and
  • 00:07:48.200 --> 00:07:50.070
  • you know, how does that work?
  • 00:07:50.070 --> 00:07:51.270
  • - Erwin: Well, a huge thing
  • 00:07:51.270 --> 00:07:52.210
  • for me was I wanted
  • 00:07:52.210 --> 00:07:53.140
  • to reclaim masculinity.
  • 00:07:53.140 --> 00:07:54.120
  • So I never went into
  • 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.200
  • women's wear.
  • 00:07:56.200 --> 00:07:59.070
  • We tried for a second,
  • 00:07:59.070 --> 00:08:00.110
  • but that just wasn't my forte.
  • 00:08:00.110 --> 00:08:01.190
  • I wanted to really focus on men.
  • 00:08:01.190 --> 00:08:03.020
  • We did men's bags
  • 00:08:03.020 --> 00:08:04.080
  • from repurposed
  • 00:08:04.080 --> 00:08:05.110
  • World War II materials.
  • 00:08:05.110 --> 00:08:06.280
  • So we took that era of heroism,
  • 00:08:06.280 --> 00:08:09.170
  • men who went to war
  • 00:08:09.170 --> 00:08:11.100
  • to fight for freedom.
  • 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:12.160
  • We took the canvases from that
  • 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.230
  • era and we made men's medicine
  • 00:08:13.230 --> 00:08:15.080
  • bags, backpacks, carry bags,
  • 00:08:15.080 --> 00:08:17.050
  • and then we also did some suits
  • 00:08:17.050 --> 00:08:19.100
  • and ties and shirts.
  • 00:08:19.100 --> 00:08:21.170
  • And for me, it was all about
  • 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.170
  • trying to restore that sense
  • 00:08:23.170 --> 00:08:25.130
  • of the heroic.
  • 00:08:25.130 --> 00:08:26.230
  • You know, we see Batman
  • 00:08:26.230 --> 00:08:28.050
  • and Superman, and they wear
  • 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:29.130
  • their capes, and they put on
  • 00:08:29.130 --> 00:08:30.190
  • their superhero uniforms.
  • 00:08:30.190 --> 00:08:32.070
  • And I thought, "What about if,
  • 00:08:32.070 --> 00:08:33.060
  • like, men had bags and clothes,
  • 00:08:33.060 --> 00:08:35.090
  • and in a sense,
  • 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:36.080
  • they were putting on
  • 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:37.000
  • their superhero uniforms?
  • 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.010
  • They were going to be heroes
  • 00:08:38.010 --> 00:08:38.200
  • when they went to work
  • 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.260
  • - Mel: You're, like,
  • 00:08:41.270 --> 00:08:42.110
  • super amazing.
  • 00:08:42.110 --> 00:08:43.020
  • And then you go on to be
  • 00:08:43.020 --> 00:08:43.260
  • a pastor.
  • 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:44.230
  • Would you call yourself
  • 00:08:44.230 --> 00:08:45.190
  • a pastor?
  • 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:46.070
  • - Erwin: Oh, yes.
  • 00:08:46.070 --> 00:08:46.270
  • And you know what?
  • 00:08:46.270 --> 00:08:47.230
  • I had to get comfortable
  • 00:08:47.230 --> 00:08:48.160
  • with that.
  • 00:08:48.160 --> 00:08:49.090
  • - Mel: I feel like that.
  • 00:08:49.090 --> 00:08:50.100
  • 'Cause on your website, I think,
  • 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:51.180
  • do you call yourself a mystic?
  • 00:08:51.180 --> 00:08:53.290
  • - Erwin: I just call myself
  • 00:08:53.290 --> 00:08:54.210
  • Erwin.
  • 00:08:54.210 --> 00:08:55.150
  • - Mel: Okay.
  • 00:08:55.150 --> 00:08:56.000
  • - Erwin: [laughing]
  • 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.040
  • - Steve: That's profound
  • 00:08:57.040 --> 00:08:57.200
  • right there.
  • 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:58.110
  • - Mel: Okay.
  • 00:08:58.110 --> 00:08:59.010
  • - Steve: Call him
  • 00:08:59.010 --> 00:08:59.160
  • by his first name.
  • 00:08:59.160 --> 00:09:00.140
  • - both: [laughing]
  • 00:09:00.140 --> 00:09:01.180
  • - Mel: Okay, sorry about that,
  • 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:02.070
  • gee.
  • 00:09:02.070 --> 00:09:03.090
  • - Erwin: But I love pastors,
  • 00:09:03.090 --> 00:09:04.090
  • and I love the church.
  • 00:09:04.090 --> 00:09:05.210
  • And that's one of the things
  • 00:09:05.210 --> 00:09:07.250
  • I love about this conference.
  • 00:09:07.250 --> 00:09:09.120
  • It's so, it's just unashamedly
  • 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.110
  • committed to the church.
  • 00:09:11.110 --> 00:09:12.200
  • - Mel: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:13.230
  • - Erwin: And just bringing
  • 00:09:13.230 --> 00:09:14.220
  • Jesus to the world.
  • 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:15.190
  • And I love that.
  • 00:09:15.190 --> 00:09:16.250
  • And if I can inspire artisans
  • 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:19.040
  • and creatives and those
  • 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:20.180
  • who are more imaginative
  • 00:09:20.180 --> 00:09:22.020
  • and entrepreneurial to carry
  • 00:09:22.020 --> 00:09:23.130
  • that mantle of being a pastor,
  • 00:09:23.130 --> 00:09:25.010
  • then I'm excited about that.
  • 00:09:25.010 --> 00:09:26.220
  • - Steve: That's great.
  • 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:27.080
  • Erwin, tell us about this
  • 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:28.180
  • incredible book of yours.
  • 00:09:28.180 --> 00:09:30.020
  • - Mel: Yeah.
  • 00:09:30.020 --> 00:09:30.290
  • - Erwin: Oh, thanks so much.
  • 00:09:30.290 --> 00:09:31.210
  • I used to be a writer,
  • 00:09:31.210 --> 00:09:33.190
  • and I stopped for about 6 years.
  • 00:09:33.190 --> 00:09:35.070
  • And then I came back.
  • 00:09:35.070 --> 00:09:37.190
  • And this is the first book
  • 00:09:37.190 --> 00:09:38.120
  • I wrote coming back.
  • 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.040
  • And it really took my
  • 00:09:40.040 --> 00:09:41.010
  • experiences in the world
  • 00:09:41.010 --> 00:09:42.180
  • of filmmaking,
  • 00:09:42.180 --> 00:09:44.040
  • I worked as a filmmaker,
  • 00:09:44.040 --> 00:09:45.090
  • and as a fashion designer,
  • 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:46.110
  • and as a pastor in the world of,
  • 00:09:46.110 --> 00:09:48.080
  • really,
  • 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.050
  • just the creative process.
  • 00:09:49.050 --> 00:09:50.260
  • And I wanted to answer
  • 00:09:50.260 --> 00:09:51.230
  • the question,
  • 00:09:51.230 --> 00:09:52.190
  • "What is it that makes us
  • 00:09:52.190 --> 00:09:53.170
  • uniquely human?
  • 00:09:53.170 --> 00:09:54.220
  • What makes a human being
  • 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:55.200
  • different than an orangutan,
  • 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:56.160
  • or a giraffe, or a kangaroo, or
  • 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.240
  • you know, whatever it may be?"
  • 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.240
  • - Mel: A koala bear?
  • 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.140
  • - Steve: It's pink fur.
  • 00:10:02.140 --> 00:10:03.030
  • That's what it is.
  • 00:10:03.030 --> 00:10:04.180
  • - Erwin: No, and it's that
  • 00:10:04.180 --> 00:10:05.100
  • every human being is both a work
  • 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:06.030
  • of art and an artist at work.
  • 00:10:06.030 --> 00:10:07.260
  • But every human being is an
  • 00:10:07.260 --> 00:10:08.270
  • artist, even though they don't
  • 00:10:08.270 --> 00:10:10.250
  • realize it, that life is a
  • 00:10:10.250 --> 00:10:12.110
  • creative act, and that God
  • 00:10:12.110 --> 00:10:14.070
  • created us so that we can
  • 00:10:14.070 --> 00:10:16.030
  • actually create.
  • 00:10:16.030 --> 00:10:17.090
  • He imagined us to imagine.
  • 00:10:17.090 --> 00:10:18.140
  • He created us to create.
  • 00:10:18.140 --> 00:10:19.070
  • And if we understood that what
  • 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:21.200
  • humans do is rare--bees create
  • 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:24.250
  • hives, and ants create colonies,
  • 00:10:24.250 --> 00:10:26.230
  • but humans create futures.
  • 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:28.110
  • We imagine a future that does
  • 00:10:28.110 --> 00:10:29.200
  • not exist and then we make
  • 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:30.270
  • choices that actually create
  • 00:10:30.270 --> 00:10:32.000
  • that future.
  • 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:33.010
  • Imagine if we woke up every day,
  • 00:10:33.010 --> 00:10:34.170
  • going,
  • 00:10:34.170 --> 00:10:35.140
  • "God created me to create.
  • 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:37.160
  • What's inside of me is
  • 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:40.020
  • the material from which
  • 00:10:40.020 --> 00:10:41.030
  • I'm gonna create a new world."
  • 00:10:41.030 --> 00:10:43.040
  • And for me, this is a manifesto
  • 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:45.080
  • of creativity.
  • 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.010
  • And I am so convinced that
  • 00:10:47.010 --> 00:10:48.150
  • what the church needs,
  • 00:10:48.150 --> 00:10:50.180
  • and what the world needs,
  • 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:52.090
  • is a new understanding
  • 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:53.030
  • of what it means to be human.
  • 00:10:53.030 --> 00:10:55.030
  • - Steve: Yeah, right.
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:55.180
  • Oh, I love that.
  • 00:10:55.180 --> 00:10:56.060
  • - Mel: You have your own
  • 00:10:56.060 --> 00:10:56.230
  • conference coming up,
  • 00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:58.000
  • I think, is it?
  • 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:58.210
  • - Erwin: Yes,
  • 00:10:58.210 --> 00:10:59.060
  • thank you so much.
  • 00:10:59.060 --> 00:10:59.250
  • We do.
  • 00:10:59.250 --> 00:11:00.120
  • One of the things that makes,
  • 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.070
  • I think, Mosaic unique is that
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.100
  • it's the intersection between
  • 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:03.070
  • creativity and spirituality.
  • 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:04.280
  • - Mel: Yeah, beautiful.
  • 00:11:04.280 --> 00:11:05.170
  • - Erwin: And so we, really,
  • 00:11:05.170 --> 00:11:06.130
  • our themes are creativity,
  • 00:11:06.130 --> 00:11:07.190
  • humanity, and leadership.
  • 00:11:07.190 --> 00:11:09.170
  • And that we're gonna focus on
  • 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:10.250
  • how to create the kind of world,
  • 00:11:10.250 --> 00:11:12.080
  • the kind of future, that God
  • 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.040
  • really wants to pour into us,
  • 00:11:14.040 --> 00:11:16.080
  • and pour through us
  • 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.170
  • into the world.
  • 00:11:17.170 --> 00:11:18.020
  • - Steve: We need to get you
  • 00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:20.200
  • to somewhere else.
  • 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:21.090
  • Thank you so much for being
  • 00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:22.040
  • a part of this conference.
  • 00:11:22.040 --> 00:11:22.250
  • - Mel: Yeah, thank you.
  • 00:11:22.250 --> 00:11:23.120
  • - Erwin: Thank you so much
  • 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.040
  • for letting me share--
  • 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:24.280
  • - Mel: Thank you so much.
  • 00:11:24.280 --> 00:11:25.270
  • - Erwin: And I just really hope
  • 00:11:25.270 --> 00:11:26.240
  • that people will pick up
  • 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.170
  • the book and discover
  • 00:11:27.170 --> 00:11:28.200
  • their creative essence.
  • 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:29.230
  • But thank you so much for
  • 00:11:29.230 --> 00:11:30.170
  • helping me get the message out.
  • 00:11:30.170 --> 00:11:32.020
  • - Steve: Oh, absolutely,
  • 00:11:32.020 --> 00:11:32.250
  • absolutely.
  • 00:11:32.250 --> 00:11:33.100
  • - Mel: No worries.
  • 00:11:33.100 --> 00:11:34.020
  • - Steve: Thank you, man.
  • 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:34.240
  • God bless you.
  • 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:35.140
  • - Erwin: Hey, bless you, bro.
  • 00:11:35.140 --> 00:11:36.070
  • - Mel: Yeah, thank you.
  • 00:11:36.070 --> 00:11:37.060
  • [laughing]
  • 00:11:37.060 --> 00:11:38.100
  • All right, thanks, Erwin.
  • 00:11:38.100 --> 00:11:40.090
  • - Steve: Take care.
  • 00:11:40.090 --> 00:11:41.030
  • I'll take that.
  • 00:11:41.030 --> 00:11:41.290
  • Oh, there's such love here.
  • 00:11:41.290 --> 00:11:43.140
  • It's so warm, beautiful.
  • 00:11:43.140 --> 00:11:44.250
  • Thank you, man.
  • 00:11:44.250 --> 00:11:45.140
  • God bless.
  • 00:11:45.140 --> 00:11:46.020
  • - Mel: See ya.
  • 00:11:46.020 --> 00:11:46.220
  • Yay!
  • 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:47.110
  • Whoo!
  • 00:11:47.110 --> 00:11:48.040
  • Erwin!
  • 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:49.070
  • - Paul:
  • 00:11:53.100 --> 00:11:54.000
  • The latest United project,
  • 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:54.290
  • we were filming some music,
  • 00:11:54.290 --> 00:11:55.260
  • and then we went into Lebanon
  • 00:11:55.260 --> 00:11:57.110
  • and visited some of
  • 00:11:57.110 --> 00:12:00.060
  • their refugee camps there.
  • 00:12:00.060 --> 00:12:01.250
  • And we were in there
  • 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:02.170
  • with World Vision.
  • 00:12:02.170 --> 00:12:03.110
  • And yeah, it was a pretty crazy
  • 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:05.060
  • experience.
  • 00:12:05.060 --> 00:12:06.220
  • I see my brothers
  • 00:12:11.070 --> 00:12:13.150
  • - Niyah: I am joined here
  • 00:12:22.010 --> 00:12:22.280
  • on the couch with none other
  • 00:12:22.280 --> 00:12:24.180
  • than Paul Nevison.
  • 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:26.000
  • He is a director,
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.080
  • creative genius.
  • 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:28.190
  • He's done many of
  • 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:29.170
  • our Hillsong videos here.
  • 00:12:29.170 --> 00:12:30.280
  • Paul, welcome.
  • 00:12:30.280 --> 00:12:32.140
  • - Paul: Thank you.
  • 00:12:32.140 --> 00:12:33.220
  • - Niyah: We are so glad
  • 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:34.210
  • to have you here with us.
  • 00:12:34.210 --> 00:12:35.180
  • - Paul: Good to see you.
  • 00:12:35.180 --> 00:12:36.070
  • - Niyah: So, now, rumor has it
  • 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:37.120
  • you recently went on a trip
  • 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.010
  • with United out to Israel
  • 00:12:39.010 --> 00:12:40.200
  • and to Lebanon.
  • 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:41.200
  • Tell us about that.
  • 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:42.210
  • - Paul: Just a couple of months
  • 00:12:42.210 --> 00:12:43.130
  • ago, we got on planes and went
  • 00:12:43.130 --> 00:12:45.210
  • to the Middle East and spent
  • 00:12:45.210 --> 00:12:47.270
  • some time in Israel, and then
  • 00:12:47.270 --> 00:12:49.070
  • we spent some time in Lebanon.
  • 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:51.080
  • The latest United project,
  • 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:52.250
  • we were filming some music,
  • 00:12:52.250 --> 00:12:53.290
  • and then went into Lebanon
  • 00:12:53.290 --> 00:12:55.260
  • and visited some of
  • 00:12:55.260 --> 00:12:58.160
  • their refugee camps there.
  • 00:12:58.160 --> 00:13:00.090
  • And we were in there
  • 00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:01.060
  • with World Vision.
  • 00:13:01.060 --> 00:13:02.030
  • And yeah, it was a pretty crazy
  • 00:13:02.030 --> 00:13:03.180
  • experience.
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  • - Niyah: Wow, I can imagine.
  • 00:13:05.030 --> 00:13:06.070
  • Now, you've been to so many
  • 00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:07.080
  • places before, filming stories.
  • 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.130
  • What made this trip kinda
  • 00:13:09.130 --> 00:13:11.110
  • stand out to you?
  • 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:13.230
  • - Paul: Within what I do, like,
  • 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:14.180
  • I have traveled a lot around
  • 00:13:14.180 --> 00:13:16.100
  • the world to different places,
  • 00:13:16.100 --> 00:13:17.150
  • particularly in the developing
  • 00:13:17.150 --> 00:13:18.190
  • world, making documentaries is,
  • 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:19.260
  • you know, films,
  • 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:21.030
  • is kinda what I do.
  • 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:22.060
  • And obviously, seeing some
  • 00:13:22.060 --> 00:13:23.110
  • of the really hard, sort
  • 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:24.220
  • of, things of life as well.
  • 00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:26.010
  • When we went to Lebanon, and
  • 00:13:26.010 --> 00:13:27.020
  • you know, bein' in the refugee
  • 00:13:27.020 --> 00:13:28.170
  • camps, and being confronted with
  • 00:13:28.170 --> 00:13:30.120
  • a level of hopelessness that
  • 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.150
  • I've not really ever encountered
  • 00:13:32.150 --> 00:13:33.280
  • before was, yeah, it really
  • 00:13:33.280 --> 00:13:35.100
  • kind of rocked me to the core,
  • 00:13:35.100 --> 00:13:36.230
  • you know?
  • 00:13:36.230 --> 00:13:37.120
  • Like, I thought
  • 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:38.080
  • I'd seen everything.
  • 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:39.030
  • And then I went and there was
  • 00:13:39.030 --> 00:13:40.050
  • so much more to, you know,
  • 00:13:40.050 --> 00:13:42.070
  • human misery.
  • 00:13:42.070 --> 00:13:43.040
  • And so it was
  • 00:13:43.040 --> 00:13:44.010
  • a really challenging trip
  • 00:13:44.010 --> 00:13:45.140
  • to go and experience.
  • 00:13:45.140 --> 00:13:48.090
  • And yeah,
  • 00:13:48.090 --> 00:13:49.160
  • I think about it daily.
  • 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:50.250
  • Like, I can't, you know,
  • 00:13:50.250 --> 00:13:53.120
  • it doesn't leave me, yeah.
  • 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.000
  • - Niyah: Yeah, wow.
  • 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:55.210
  • I wanna let you guys see,
  • 00:13:55.210 --> 00:13:57.110
  • basically, a little clip.
  • 00:13:57.110 --> 00:13:58.180
  • Can we share with them a clip
  • 00:13:58.180 --> 00:13:59.290
  • from what you guys filmed
  • 00:13:59.290 --> 00:14:01.110
  • out in Lebanon?
  • 00:14:01.110 --> 00:14:02.180
  • - Joel Houston: It's
  • 00:14:22.270 --> 00:14:23.270
  • challenging to the core of
  • 00:14:23.270 --> 00:14:25.100
  • everything that you ever thought
  • 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:27.230
  • - Joel: So I wanna unthink
  • 00:14:37.260 --> 00:14:40.060
  • - Jonathan Douglass: That's
  • 00:14:45.140 --> 00:14:46.010
  • the only way I can describe it.
  • 00:14:46.010 --> 00:14:47.070
  • It's just a heaviness,
  • 00:14:47.070 --> 00:14:49.000
  • to the point where I was
  • 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:50.050
  • - Taya Smith: I don't really
  • 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:00.120
  • get mad a lot.
  • 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.060
  • But that would make me
  • 00:15:02.060 --> 00:15:03.030
  • really mad.
  • 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:08.210
  • 'Cause people are people.
  • 00:15:08.210 --> 00:15:10.290
  • Kids are kids.
  • 00:15:10.290 --> 00:15:12.180
  • And to say that one person's
  • 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:13.180
  • not worthy to another, like,
  • 00:15:13.180 --> 00:15:16.180
  • what is that?
  • 00:15:16.180 --> 00:15:17.160
  • Like, where did that come from?
  • 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.240
  • - male: Nice to meet you.
  • 00:15:33.100 --> 00:15:34.130
  • - JD: Hey, man, JD.
  • 00:15:34.130 --> 00:15:34.280
  • - male: Nice to meet you.
  • 00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:35.200
  • - Taya: Taya.
  • 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.270
  • - JD: It's where injustice,
  • 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:33.240
  • like, punches me in the face.
  • 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:37.260
  • Not statistics, not even photos,
  • 00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:42.230
  • but a father.
  • 00:16:42.280 --> 00:16:45.280
  • - Joel: I think being here,
  • 00:16:45.280 --> 00:16:47.110
  • it brought up all the prejudice
  • 00:16:47.110 --> 00:16:49.020
  • where you didn't realize
  • 00:16:49.020 --> 00:16:50.110
  • that you had it.
  • 00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:51.070
  • And so it changes the way
  • 00:16:51.070 --> 00:16:53.060
  • you think about everything.
  • 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.120
  • And they are welcoming,
  • 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:57.170
  • and they are inviting.
  • 00:16:57.170 --> 00:16:58.290
  • And it just destroys
  • 00:16:59.180 --> 00:17:02.200
  • - Taya: This is refugees
  • 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.030
  • and people who were fleeing
  • 00:17:07.110 --> 00:17:10.110
  • from their homes.
  • 00:17:10.110 --> 00:17:11.110
  • And these are doctors and
  • 00:17:11.110 --> 00:17:12.130
  • lawyers, and just everyday
  • 00:17:12.130 --> 00:17:14.200
  • normal people that have fled
  • 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.190
  • because the violence and
  • 00:17:16.190 --> 00:17:18.260
  • the threat against their family
  • 00:17:18.260 --> 00:17:20.080
  • has just become too much.
  • 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:21.270
  • And I just really was probably
  • 00:17:21.270 --> 00:17:23.070
  • [music]
  • 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:43.160
  • When I look into the face
  • 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.200
  • of my enemy
  • 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.260
  • I see my brother
  • 00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:52.120
  • - Joel: We tend to label
  • 00:17:56.270 --> 00:17:58.120
  • everything, and we build,
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:18:00.130
  • kind of, walls between, okay,
  • 00:18:00.130 --> 00:18:02.290
  • whether it be our faith,
  • 00:18:02.290 --> 00:18:04.120
  • or what country we come from,
  • 00:18:04.120 --> 00:18:05.280
  • or what color our skin is.
  • 00:18:05.280 --> 00:18:08.120
  • It takes away the responsibility
  • 00:18:08.120 --> 00:18:10.260
  • of having to think about well,
  • 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:13.020
  • what people are really like,
  • 00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:14.080
  • or the humanity within it.
  • 00:18:15.110 --> 00:18:18.110
  • And what it is, is it's love.
  • 00:18:18.110 --> 00:18:20.010
  • It's the family.
  • 00:18:20.010 --> 00:18:21.070
  • It's dreams for their children.
  • 00:18:21.070 --> 00:18:23.000
  • Every single person
  • 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:24.100
  • we talked to.
  • 00:18:24.100 --> 00:18:25.100
  • It's like, you know, "Why?"
  • 00:18:25.100 --> 00:18:26.280
  • "Kinda just want my children
  • 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:28.240
  • to have a future."
  • 00:18:29.010 --> 00:18:32.010
  • And so that's universal.
  • 00:18:32.010 --> 00:18:35.000
  • When I look into
  • 00:18:39.020 --> 00:18:40.180
  • the face of my enemy
  • 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.200
  • I see my brothers
  • 00:18:46.040 --> 00:18:49.040
  • - Taya: I think the humanity
  • 00:18:53.040 --> 00:18:54.100
  • is what hit me the most.
  • 00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:56.070
  • Even though you hear
  • 00:18:56.070 --> 00:18:57.010
  • 12 million people displaced,
  • 00:18:57.010 --> 00:18:58.050
  • you just hear numbers.
  • 00:18:58.050 --> 00:18:59.080
  • You don't hear stories,
  • 00:18:59.080 --> 00:19:00.250
  • and you don't see people.
  • 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:02.110
  • But they deserve hope, and
  • 00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:03.080
  • they deserve to have a chance to
  • 00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:05.040
  • [music]
  • 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:12.230
  • - JD: They're my brothers
  • 00:19:12.230 --> 00:19:13.110
  • and sisters, you know?
  • 00:19:13.110 --> 00:19:14.090
  • I know I wanna do anything that
  • 00:19:14.090 --> 00:19:15.120
  • I can to help them and welcome
  • 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:17.240
  • [music]
  • 00:19:19.270 --> 00:19:20.180
  • When I look into
  • 00:19:20.180 --> 00:19:22.080
  • the face of my enemy
  • 00:19:23.030 --> 00:19:26.030
  • I see my brother
  • 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:29.220
  • - Niyah: Wow, Paul,
  • 00:19:36.070 --> 00:19:37.050
  • that was pretty, pretty moving.
  • 00:19:37.050 --> 00:19:38.170
  • I can only imagine
  • 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:39.140
  • what your experience was like.
  • 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:41.110
  • Take us to that time.
  • 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.160
  • - Paul: Well, look, I mean,
  • 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:45.110
  • I mean, a lot of people will be
  • 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:46.120
  • aware of the refugee crisis
  • 00:19:46.120 --> 00:19:47.160
  • in the Middle East because
  • 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:48.290
  • of what's happening in Syria
  • 00:19:48.290 --> 00:19:50.020
  • and Iraq and what have you.
  • 00:19:50.020 --> 00:19:51.160
  • And a lot of the time, you know,
  • 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.030
  • our understanding of that is
  • 00:19:53.030 --> 00:19:54.240
  • formed by the media reports
  • 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.040
  • that we watch.
  • 00:19:56.040 --> 00:19:57.130
  • And you know,
  • 00:19:57.130 --> 00:19:57.290
  • there's different takes on
  • 00:19:57.290 --> 00:19:59.050
  • what people think about it.
  • 00:19:59.050 --> 00:20:00.260
  • But to go and to, like, sit in
  • 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:01.270
  • these, you know, literally,
  • 00:20:01.270 --> 00:20:03.270
  • they're tents made out of
  • 00:20:03.270 --> 00:20:05.030
  • plywood and you know, the
  • 00:20:05.030 --> 00:20:06.180
  • plastic, and sit with families,
  • 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.040
  • and hear their stories, and hear
  • 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:09.280
  • their experiences, and actually
  • 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:11.060
  • see their faces, it changes
  • 00:20:11.060 --> 00:20:13.060
  • your whole, where you see
  • 00:20:13.060 --> 00:20:14.240
  • the humanity of it, you know?
  • 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.070
  • Because you can just think
  • 00:20:16.070 --> 00:20:17.040
  • about statistics.
  • 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:17.280
  • You know, there's like
  • 00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:18.170
  • 12 million displaced people.
  • 00:20:18.170 --> 00:20:19.180
  • And you can think about
  • 00:20:19.180 --> 00:20:21.030
  • all of those things that kind
  • 00:20:21.030 --> 00:20:22.150
  • of dehumanize that.
  • 00:20:22.150 --> 00:20:23.250
  • But then when you sit, you know,
  • 00:20:23.250 --> 00:20:25.130
  • we sat with one family.
  • 00:20:25.130 --> 00:20:27.010
  • You know, like, he was 26 and he
  • 00:20:27.010 --> 00:20:28.110
  • had, you know, 2 young children,
  • 00:20:28.110 --> 00:20:30.010
  • and you know, their house had
  • 00:20:30.010 --> 00:20:30.290
  • been bombed, and they had,
  • 00:20:30.290 --> 00:20:32.050
  • you know, fled for their lives.
  • 00:20:32.050 --> 00:20:33.070
  • And then the grandmother
  • 00:20:33.070 --> 00:20:34.020
  • just had open heart surgery,
  • 00:20:34.020 --> 00:20:35.030
  • and she had, like,
  • 00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:35.250
  • a $650 a month medical bill.
  • 00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:38.130
  • And they have nothing.
  • 00:20:38.130 --> 00:20:39.230
  • And you know, so they're facing,
  • 00:20:39.230 --> 00:20:40.270
  • you know, life and death.
  • 00:20:40.270 --> 00:20:42.060
  • And they're sitting in these,
  • 00:20:42.060 --> 00:20:43.110
  • you know,
  • 00:20:43.110 --> 00:20:44.290
  • really dire situations.
  • 00:20:44.290 --> 00:20:47.080
  • You can't help
  • 00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:48.000
  • but actually see the humanity.
  • 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.220
  • And you see, "Well, these are
  • 00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:50.150
  • actually, these are my brothers.
  • 00:20:50.150 --> 00:20:51.170
  • These are my sisters.
  • 00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:52.110
  • These are not just statistics."
  • 00:20:52.110 --> 00:20:53.290
  • And I think that was
  • 00:20:53.290 --> 00:20:54.280
  • probably--what was most
  • 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:57.190
  • impacting is, well, I love these
  • 00:20:57.190 --> 00:20:58.250
  • places I've been to in the past.
  • 00:20:58.250 --> 00:20:59.280
  • You're working with different
  • 00:20:59.280 --> 00:21:00.280
  • organizations that are helping.
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:02.010
  • And because the refugee crisis
  • 00:21:02.010 --> 00:21:03.160
  • is so huge, there's not a lot
  • 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.270
  • of hope 'cause it's just the,
  • 00:21:05.270 --> 00:21:08.040
  • everyone, all the services
  • 00:21:08.040 --> 00:21:09.030
  • that are overwhelmed.
  • 00:21:09.030 --> 00:21:09.280
  • World Vision, and you know,
  • 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:11.020
  • the UN HCR, and all these
  • 00:21:11.020 --> 00:21:12.010
  • organizations that are trying
  • 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:13.030
  • to assist, they are overwhelmed.
  • 00:21:13.030 --> 00:21:14.000
  • So you go into a place,
  • 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.160
  • and you see that there's
  • 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.080
  • a real lack of hope.
  • 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:18.130
  • And there's a lack of hope
  • 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:19.100
  • in the people.
  • 00:21:19.100 --> 00:21:20.150
  • And we took this one guy, and
  • 00:21:20.150 --> 00:21:21.260
  • we said, "Well, what do you do?
  • 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:23.020
  • Is there some silver lining?
  • 00:21:23.020 --> 00:21:24.020
  • Is there something that helps
  • 00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:25.000
  • you get through?"
  • 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.230
  • And he said to us, he says,
  • 00:21:25.230 --> 00:21:26.210
  • "I go into the valley
  • 00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:28.040
  • by myself and I cry."
  • 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:30.260
  • And so when you're sort of hit
  • 00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:32.130
  • with that, you're then compelled
  • 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:34.080
  • to think, "Well, how--?
  • 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.230
  • These are my brothers
  • 00:21:35.230 --> 00:21:36.160
  • and sisters.
  • 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:37.040
  • These are my fellow
  • 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:38.020
  • human beings, you know?
  • 00:21:38.020 --> 00:21:39.060
  • Like, what can I do to help?"
  • 00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:42.080
  • And you know, for us in that
  • 00:21:42.080 --> 00:21:43.080
  • situation, and we're sitting in
  • 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:45.030
  • these tents with people, really,
  • 00:21:45.030 --> 00:21:46.180
  • all we could was be silent.
  • 00:21:46.180 --> 00:21:48.220
  • Sometimes you can think,
  • 00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:49.150
  • "Well, what are the answers?"
  • 00:21:49.150 --> 00:21:50.240
  • And you know, and you have
  • 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:51.200
  • your opinions.
  • 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:52.140
  • But really, it was just sit
  • 00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:53.080
  • with them in solidarity and say,
  • 00:21:53.080 --> 00:21:54.210
  • "You know what?
  • 00:21:54.210 --> 00:21:55.170
  • We feel your pain."
  • 00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:56.180
  • And I don't know
  • 00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:57.090
  • what the answer is.
  • 00:21:57.090 --> 00:21:58.010
  • And it was a really
  • 00:21:58.010 --> 00:21:58.220
  • tough experience.
  • 00:21:58.220 --> 00:21:59.200
  • But then, on the flip side,
  • 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:00.260
  • you know, we were in there with
  • 00:22:00.260 --> 00:22:02.010
  • World Vision, and then we saw
  • 00:22:02.010 --> 00:22:03.110
  • these schools that they were
  • 00:22:03.110 --> 00:22:04.160
  • setting up, and tents, and
  • 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:05.170
  • there's these young little kids,
  • 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:06.200
  • and you know,
  • 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:07.200
  • these moments of joy.
  • 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.150
  • And it was really, like,
  • 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:10.020
  • when we think about some of the
  • 00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:11.070
  • discourse around refugees and
  • 00:22:11.070 --> 00:22:12.210
  • how people are not necessarily
  • 00:22:12.210 --> 00:22:14.040
  • welcoming to refugees in a lot
  • 00:22:14.040 --> 00:22:15.210
  • of ways, I thought about these
  • 00:22:15.210 --> 00:22:17.210
  • young 7, 8-year-olds.
  • 00:22:17.210 --> 00:22:19.070
  • What are they gonna experience?
  • 00:22:19.070 --> 00:22:20.190
  • What is their experience?
  • 00:22:20.190 --> 00:22:21.130
  • They don't really know
  • 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:22.060
  • what's goin' on.
  • 00:22:22.060 --> 00:22:23.000
  • Their house was bombed.
  • 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:23.230
  • They're taken
  • 00:22:23.230 --> 00:22:24.170
  • in the middle of the night.
  • 00:22:24.170 --> 00:22:25.130
  • They flee.
  • 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:26.120
  • What are they going to feel?
  • 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:27.050
  • At these schools that are run by
  • 00:22:27.050 --> 00:22:28.020
  • World Vision they get some love.
  • 00:22:28.020 --> 00:22:29.030
  • They get some affection.
  • 00:22:29.030 --> 00:22:31.130
  • You know, is that the thing
  • 00:22:31.130 --> 00:22:33.070
  • they're gonna remember?
  • 00:22:33.070 --> 00:22:34.140
  • Or are they gonna remember being
  • 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:35.170
  • rejected and being called names,
  • 00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:36.240
  • and you know?
  • 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.130
  • So that was what was really
  • 00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:39.160
  • most challenging to me.
  • 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.050
  • - Niyah: Why is it important
  • 00:22:41.050 --> 00:22:42.000
  • to tell this story?
  • 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:42.250
  • Why did you feel compelled to go
  • 00:22:42.250 --> 00:22:45.060
  • on this journey with United
  • 00:22:45.060 --> 00:22:46.280
  • to tell this story so the world
  • 00:22:46.280 --> 00:22:49.020
  • can see this?
  • 00:22:49.020 --> 00:22:50.060
  • - Paul: It's giving a voice
  • 00:22:50.060 --> 00:22:51.070
  • to the voiceless.
  • 00:22:51.070 --> 00:22:52.110
  • So a lot of this trip with
  • 00:22:52.110 --> 00:22:53.050
  • United, you know, we were
  • 00:22:53.050 --> 00:22:54.090
  • recording some music in Israel.
  • 00:22:54.090 --> 00:22:55.080
  • And the music was based around
  • 00:22:55.080 --> 00:22:57.040
  • the beatitudes, you know,
  • 00:22:57.040 --> 00:22:58.120
  • the Sermon on the Mount,
  • 00:22:58.120 --> 00:22:59.080
  • Jesus' most central teaching.
  • 00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:00.230
  • And it's great to sing it,
  • 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:02.180
  • and you know,
  • 00:23:02.180 --> 00:23:03.140
  • "Blessed are the poor
  • 00:23:03.140 --> 00:23:04.070
  • in spirit,"
  • 00:23:04.070 --> 00:23:04.270
  • and all these things.
  • 00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:05.190
  • And they sound great.
  • 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:06.150
  • But then, when you go to
  • 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:07.100
  • a refugee camp,
  • 00:23:07.100 --> 00:23:08.060
  • and then you're confronted,
  • 00:23:08.060 --> 00:23:09.000
  • "Well, how do we actually
  • 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:09.290
  • live out the beatitudes?
  • 00:23:09.290 --> 00:23:10.240
  • How do we live the Sermon
  • 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.240
  • on the Mount?"
  • 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:12.150
  • You're then challenged,
  • 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:13.080
  • but like, again, music's great,
  • 00:23:13.080 --> 00:23:14.020
  • and worship is great.
  • 00:23:14.020 --> 00:23:14.290
  • And it's part of the story.
  • 00:23:14.290 --> 00:23:16.150
  • But then, how do we actually
  • 00:23:16.150 --> 00:23:18.030
  • live that out in our day-to-day
  • 00:23:18.030 --> 00:23:19.200
  • lives and reality when you're
  • 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:20.210
  • hit with the reality of humanity
  • 00:23:20.210 --> 00:23:22.130
  • and the misery, and it's,
  • 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.160
  • frankly, the misery of it?
  • 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.210
  • So that was, yeah,
  • 00:23:27.210 --> 00:23:28.250
  • super challenging.
  • 00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:29.210
  • So, for me, I'm, you know,
  • 00:23:29.210 --> 00:23:31.060
  • I'm filmmaker.
  • 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:31.290
  • And in particular, I make a lot
  • 00:23:31.290 --> 00:23:32.270
  • of documentary films about
  • 00:23:32.270 --> 00:23:34.070
  • things that are happening
  • 00:23:34.070 --> 00:23:35.250
  • in the developing world
  • 00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:36.120
  • and some of, you know,
  • 00:23:36.120 --> 00:23:37.000
  • the tragedy of life.
  • 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.030
  • And it is about giving people a
  • 00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:39.260
  • voice, to elevate and to project
  • 00:23:39.260 --> 00:23:42.180
  • it so that we hear, so that
  • 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:44.180
  • we're not just distracted
  • 00:23:44.180 --> 00:23:45.260
  • by our, you know, the latest
  • 00:23:45.260 --> 00:23:47.120
  • and greatest consumer item
  • 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:48.230
  • that we can buy.
  • 00:23:48.230 --> 00:23:50.030
  • So actually, there are people
  • 00:23:50.030 --> 00:23:51.120
  • who are crying out.
  • 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:52.170
  • And the question for me is,
  • 00:23:52.170 --> 00:23:53.230
  • "Will we listen to their voice?"
  • 00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:55.290
  • And that's the challenge
  • 00:23:55.290 --> 00:23:57.210
  • that I set myself.
  • 00:23:57.210 --> 00:23:59.140
  • - Niyah: Wow.
  • 00:23:59.140 --> 00:24:00.100
  • Now, I know you mentioned
  • 00:24:00.100 --> 00:24:01.040
  • World Vision.
  • 00:24:01.040 --> 00:24:01.290
  • I know other organizations
  • 00:24:01.290 --> 00:24:02.260
  • like A21,
  • 00:24:02.260 --> 00:24:04.010
  • they're playing a major part.
  • 00:24:04.010 --> 00:24:05.150
  • So there is hope.
  • 00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:07.040
  • There is hope.
  • 00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:08.070
  • Can you talk about that
  • 00:24:08.070 --> 00:24:09.040
  • a little bit more?
  • 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:10.050
  • You know, it's such a hard
  • 00:24:10.050 --> 00:24:11.220
  • situation to even just view
  • 00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:14.110
  • on television
  • 00:24:14.110 --> 00:24:15.160
  • that our hearts break.
  • 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.000
  • But can you tell us some of the
  • 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.110
  • more, a little bit more about
  • 00:24:18.110 --> 00:24:20.000
  • some of the good things
  • 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.020
  • that are rising up out of this?
  • 00:24:21.020 --> 00:24:21.290
  • - Paul: Well, there are many
  • 00:24:21.290 --> 00:24:23.040
  • fantastic organizations that are
  • 00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:24.070
  • involved and doing things,
  • 00:24:24.070 --> 00:24:26.090
  • and are helping the one,
  • 00:24:26.090 --> 00:24:27.250
  • and the two, and the three.
  • 00:24:27.250 --> 00:24:29.180
  • But there's 12 million,
  • 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:31.020
  • at least.
  • 00:24:31.020 --> 00:24:32.080
  • So there's a lot more
  • 00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:33.070
  • to be done.
  • 00:24:33.070 --> 00:24:34.130
  • And I think a lot of those
  • 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:37.070
  • organizations are willing,
  • 00:24:37.070 --> 00:24:39.020
  • but often, they need to be
  • 00:24:39.020 --> 00:24:40.070
  • strengthened.
  • 00:24:40.070 --> 00:24:41.040
  • So they need the resources,
  • 00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:42.080
  • whether it's,
  • 00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:43.000
  • you know financial resources,
  • 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:44.050
  • or it's government policy,
  • 00:24:44.050 --> 00:24:45.210
  • or it's volunteers
  • 00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:47.140
  • for some organizations.
  • 00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:49.130
  • So there is hope, and it's the
  • 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:51.160
  • seedlings of hope, but it can
  • 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.060
  • very easily be stamped out.
  • 00:24:53.060 --> 00:24:55.000
  • So what it requires us is not
  • 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.060
  • just watch something on the
  • 00:24:56.060 --> 00:24:57.220
  • television or read a newspaper
  • 00:24:57.220 --> 00:24:58.240
  • and then flip over
  • 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:59.210
  • to what else we were doing.
  • 00:24:59.210 --> 00:25:01.090
  • It actually takes us to actually
  • 00:25:01.090 --> 00:25:03.270
  • say, "Okay, am I a Christian?
  • 00:25:03.270 --> 00:25:06.270
  • Do I have faith?
  • 00:25:06.270 --> 00:25:07.190
  • Do I believe what Jesus said
  • 00:25:07.190 --> 00:25:09.020
  • in the beatitudes?
  • 00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:10.030
  • Do I believe what Jesus said
  • 00:25:10.030 --> 00:25:10.290
  • in the Sermon on the Mount?
  • 00:25:10.290 --> 00:25:12.060
  • Then I need to actually, you
  • 00:25:12.060 --> 00:25:13.090
  • know, put my hand to the wheel,
  • 00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:14.290
  • and you know, support an
  • 00:25:14.290 --> 00:25:16.290
  • organization, whether it's
  • 00:25:16.290 --> 00:25:18.030
  • World Vision, or it's the UN."
  • 00:25:18.030 --> 00:25:20.050
  • There's plenty of organizations
  • 00:25:20.050 --> 00:25:21.090
  • that are doing great work.
  • 00:25:21.090 --> 00:25:22.240
  • So, really, it comes down to us.
  • 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.010
  • What are we gonna do?
  • 00:25:24.010 --> 00:25:25.110
  • - Niyah: Wow.
  • 00:25:25.110 --> 00:25:26.200
  • Thank you so much, Paul.
  • 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.090
  • Thank you for sharing
  • 00:25:27.090 --> 00:25:28.180
  • your story.
  • 00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:29.070
  • Thank you for, you know,
  • 00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:30.080
  • just your heart.
  • 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:31.140
  • You know, heart and get out
  • 00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:32.120
  • there, and make the, you know,
  • 00:25:32.120 --> 00:25:33.290
  • the voice of the voiceless known
  • 00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:35.080
  • - Erwin: God is bigger
  • 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:42.020
  • than your prayers.
  • 00:25:42.020 --> 00:25:43.010
  • He's bigger than your dreams.
  • 00:25:43.010 --> 00:25:43.250
  • He's bigger than
  • 00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:45.120
  • your challenges.
  • 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:46.100
  • He's bigger than your fears.
  • 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:47.260
  • He's bigger than your doubts.
  • 00:25:47.260 --> 00:25:49.130
  • - Tim: There's always
  • 00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:57.200
  • incredible things happening
  • 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:58.160
  • in our main arena.
  • 00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:59.180
  • Let's go find out what's
  • 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:00.100
  • - Erwin: I have lived my life
  • 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:04.140
  • with a lot of questions, like,
  • 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:05.210
  • "Why are you asking me that?"
  • 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:06.230
  • I've been married
  • 00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:07.160
  • for over 30 years.
  • 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.170
  • And if you've been married
  • 00:26:08.170 --> 00:26:09.090
  • a long time, you know that
  • 00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:10.050
  • your wife will ask you a lot of
  • 00:26:10.050 --> 00:26:11.050
  • questions that she doesn't
  • 00:26:11.050 --> 00:26:12.030
  • need to ask you.
  • 00:26:12.030 --> 00:26:13.150
  • Like,
  • 00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:14.060
  • "Where did you park the car?"
  • 00:26:14.060 --> 00:26:15.270
  • I don't know why
  • 00:26:15.270 --> 00:26:16.140
  • she asks me that.
  • 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.110
  • If I don't know where it is,
  • 00:26:17.110 --> 00:26:18.040
  • why is she asking me?
  • 00:26:18.040 --> 00:26:19.040
  • "Where did you
  • 00:26:19.040 --> 00:26:20.110
  • lose the car keys?"
  • 00:26:20.110 --> 00:26:21.170
  • I hate that one too.
  • 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:25.080
  • "Why did you break it?"
  • 00:26:25.080 --> 00:26:26.220
  • "Well, I was thinking about it
  • 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:27.110
  • ahead of time, 'I'm gonna break
  • 00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:28.110
  • this before I try to fix it.'"
  • 00:26:28.110 --> 00:26:31.090
  • I love the general questions
  • 00:26:31.090 --> 00:26:32.100
  • she asks me,
  • 00:26:32.100 --> 00:26:33.120
  • "What were you thinking?"
  • 00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.180
  • "Clearly, nothing."
  • 00:26:38.120 --> 00:26:41.120
  • And as I thought about all the
  • 00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:42.100
  • stupid questions I've been asked
  • 00:26:42.100 --> 00:26:43.260
  • in my life, "Are you okay?"
  • 00:26:45.090 --> 00:26:48.090
  • "You wouldn't be asking me that
  • 00:26:48.090 --> 00:26:49.040
  • if I was okay.
  • 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:50.280
  • I'm clearly not okay."
  • 00:26:50.280 --> 00:26:52.290
  • I still play basketball.
  • 00:26:52.290 --> 00:26:54.070
  • I'm 57 years old.
  • 00:26:54.070 --> 00:26:55.230
  • My wife has no empathy for me.
  • 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:57.220
  • I come home injured and she
  • 00:26:57.220 --> 00:26:59.000
  • goes, "What's broken now?"
  • 00:27:00.110 --> 00:27:03.110
  • So I was reading a moment
  • 00:27:03.110 --> 00:27:04.120
  • in the life of Jesus,
  • 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:05.160
  • and he asks a question.
  • 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.010
  • And I had this thought,
  • 00:27:07.010 --> 00:27:08.270
  • "That's the stupidest question
  • 00:27:08.270 --> 00:27:10.040
  • I've ever heard."
  • 00:27:10.040 --> 00:27:11.270
  • But I tried to stop it because
  • 00:27:11.270 --> 00:27:13.030
  • I didn't want Jesus to hear me
  • 00:27:13.030 --> 00:27:14.220
  • say that.
  • 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.130
  • So I didn't say it outside.
  • 00:27:16.130 --> 00:27:17.100
  • I thought,
  • 00:27:17.100 --> 00:27:17.250
  • "Don't write that down.
  • 00:27:17.250 --> 00:27:18.170
  • Just think it 'cause that way
  • 00:27:18.170 --> 00:27:19.110
  • he doesn't know
  • 00:27:19.110 --> 00:27:20.080
  • you're thinkin' it."
  • 00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:21.150
  • But I had this moment.
  • 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:22.120
  • I mean, have you ever read
  • 00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:24.040
  • the Scriptures and thought
  • 00:27:24.040 --> 00:27:25.010
  • to yourself, "That's stupid"?
  • 00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:27.210
  • I know you're not allowed
  • 00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:28.130
  • to think that,
  • 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:29.160
  • but you do think that.
  • 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.020
  • Well, there's a moment in the
  • 00:27:31.020 --> 00:27:32.020
  • life of Jesus, and he asks what
  • 00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:33.080
  • might be the stupidest question
  • 00:27:33.080 --> 00:27:34.250
  • ever asked, except, of course,
  • 00:27:34.250 --> 00:27:36.110
  • Jesus asked it.
  • 00:27:36.110 --> 00:27:37.150
  • So, Lord,
  • 00:27:37.150 --> 00:27:38.030
  • I know it's not stupid.
  • 00:27:38.030 --> 00:27:40.060
  • It's in Matthew chapter 20,
  • 00:27:40.060 --> 00:27:42.090
  • beginning in verse 29.
  • 00:27:42.090 --> 00:27:44.110
  • It says: "As Jesus and his
  • 00:27:44.110 --> 00:27:45.220
  • disciples were leaving Jericho,
  • 00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:48.020
  • a large crowd followed him.
  • 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:50.180
  • Two blind men were sitting by
  • 00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:51.270
  • the roadside, and when they
  • 00:27:51.270 --> 00:27:54.000
  • heard that Jesus was going by,
  • 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:55.180
  • they shouted,
  • 00:27:55.180 --> 00:27:56.250
  • 'Lord, Son of David,
  • 00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:58.220
  • have mercy on us!'
  • 00:27:58.220 --> 00:28:01.120
  • The crowd rebuked them
  • 00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:02.060
  • and told them to be quiet,
  • 00:28:02.060 --> 00:28:03.180
  • but they shouted all the louder,
  • 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.070
  • 'Lord, Son of David,
  • 00:28:06.070 --> 00:28:08.170
  • have mercy on us!'
  • 00:28:08.170 --> 00:28:10.280
  • Jesus stopped and called them."
  • 00:28:10.280 --> 00:28:13.240
  • And here it is.
  • 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.160
  • Here's the stupidest question
  • 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.110
  • I've ever heard:
  • 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.200
  • "What do you want me
  • 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.100
  • to do for you?"
  • 00:28:21.050 --> 00:28:24.050
  • I know it's supposed to sound
  • 00:28:24.050 --> 00:28:24.260
  • profound and spiritual.
  • 00:28:26.260 --> 00:28:29.260
  • "But really, Jesus?
  • 00:28:29.260 --> 00:28:31.210
  • This is what you could
  • 00:28:31.210 --> 00:28:32.090
  • come up with?
  • 00:28:32.090 --> 00:28:33.260
  • Two blind guys
  • 00:28:33.260 --> 00:28:34.260
  • are screaming their guts out,
  • 00:28:34.260 --> 00:28:37.160
  • 'Lord, Son of David,
  • 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.200
  • have mercy on us!'
  • 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.000
  • And you look at them, and
  • 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.250
  • they're clearly blind, and you
  • 00:28:42.250 --> 00:28:45.130
  • don't know what they want?
  • 00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:47.290
  • I mean, Jesus, if you're God,
  • 00:28:47.290 --> 00:28:50.110
  • you kind of already know that.
  • 00:28:50.110 --> 00:28:52.270
  • And even if you were not God,
  • 00:28:52.270 --> 00:28:54.050
  • you could sort of intuit
  • 00:28:54.050 --> 00:28:55.120
  • what they wanted.
  • 00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:56.130
  • I think you could pick it up."
  • 00:28:56.130 --> 00:28:58.280
  • "Jesus stopped and called them.
  • 00:28:58.280 --> 00:29:00.220
  • 'What do you want me
  • 00:29:00.220 --> 00:29:01.250
  • to do for you?' he asked.
  • 00:29:01.250 --> 00:29:04.100
  • 'Lord,' they answered,
  • 00:29:04.100 --> 00:29:06.090
  • 'we want our sight.'"
  • 00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:09.090
  • "Oh, that's what you--
  • 00:29:09.090 --> 00:29:11.240
  • I would have never known.
  • 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.090
  • That's so clarifying."
  • 00:29:14.070 --> 00:29:17.070
  • "'We want our sight.'
  • 00:29:17.070 --> 00:29:19.090
  • Jesus had compassion on them
  • 00:29:19.090 --> 00:29:20.110
  • and touched their eyes.
  • 00:29:20.110 --> 00:29:21.210
  • And immediately they received
  • 00:29:21.210 --> 00:29:22.240
  • their sight and followed him."
  • 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.090
  • And I think when we read this
  • 00:29:25.090 --> 00:29:26.220
  • kind of encounter from Jesus,
  • 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:28.100
  • we're overwhelmed by the power
  • 00:29:28.100 --> 00:29:29.220
  • of Jesus to give sight to
  • 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:31.280
  • the blind, or are moved by
  • 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:34.080
  • the compassion of Jesus
  • 00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:36.020
  • that he cares so deeply
  • 00:29:36.020 --> 00:29:37.230
  • about each individual that
  • 00:29:37.270 --> 00:29:40.270
  • has ever walked on this planet.
  • 00:29:40.270 --> 00:29:43.080
  • But in the midst of that,
  • 00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:44.190
  • we overlook that part of the
  • 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:46.190
  • conversation that I'm convinced
  • 00:29:46.190 --> 00:29:48.030
  • God wants us to step into.
  • 00:29:49.100 --> 00:29:52.100
  • When Jesus asked the question,
  • 00:29:52.100 --> 00:29:53.240
  • "What do you want me to do
  • 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.030
  • for you?"
  • 00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:55.290
  • that question was not
  • 00:29:55.290 --> 00:29:57.000
  • incidental.
  • 00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.170
  • That question is one of the most
  • 00:29:58.170 --> 00:30:00.010
  • significant questions we could
  • 00:30:00.010 --> 00:30:01.140
  • ever be asked of by God.
  • 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.160
  • 'Cause if you do not know what
  • 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.290
  • you want, then God cannot
  • 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.000
  • give you what you need.
  • 00:30:11.010 --> 00:30:14.010
  • And if you do not understand
  • 00:30:14.010 --> 00:30:16.020
  • that God will not force himself
  • 00:30:16.020 --> 00:30:18.140
  • on you, impose himself on you,
  • 00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:21.100
  • demand himself on you, that God,
  • 00:30:21.100 --> 00:30:23.280
  • in his graciousness and his
  • 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:25.260
  • generosity and his kindness and
  • 00:30:25.260 --> 00:30:28.100
  • gentleness, that God waits for
  • 00:30:28.100 --> 00:30:30.010
  • us to invite him into our lives
  • 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.240
  • to do what only he can do
  • 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.120
  • for us, we won't understand
  • 00:30:35.120 --> 00:30:37.050
  • the power of this question.
  • 00:30:37.050 --> 00:30:39.230
  • And I wonder today,
  • 00:30:39.230 --> 00:30:41.100
  • do you know what you want?
  • 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:45.080
  • Because if you don't know
  • 00:30:45.080 --> 00:30:46.040
  • what you want, don't get mad at
  • 00:30:46.040 --> 00:30:48.130
  • God that he never gives you
  • 00:30:48.130 --> 00:30:49.240
  • what you need.
  • 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.200
  • Because if Jesus encounters
  • 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.270
  • two blind men as he walks down
  • 00:30:53.270 --> 00:30:56.240
  • through Jericho and they cry out
  • 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.020
  • to him, "Have mercy on us,"
  • 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:02.120
  • and he stops and says,
  • 00:31:02.120 --> 00:31:03.160
  • "I'm gonna ask you a question.
  • 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.010
  • And when I ask you this
  • 00:31:06.010 --> 00:31:07.000
  • question, I need you to really
  • 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:07.290
  • think this through because
  • 00:31:07.290 --> 00:31:10.110
  • you have a moment with
  • 00:31:10.110 --> 00:31:11.290
  • the Creator of the universe.
  • 00:31:11.290 --> 00:31:14.250
  • What do you want me to do
  • 00:31:14.250 --> 00:31:17.230
  • for you?"
  • 00:31:17.230 --> 00:31:20.130
  • What are the options here?
  • 00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:23.170
  • "Jesus, Jesus, I don't know if
  • 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:26.090
  • you can tell, but we're blind.
  • 00:31:26.090 --> 00:31:28.250
  • And like, we heard you're a
  • 00:31:28.250 --> 00:31:30.140
  • carpenter so you're really
  • 00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:31.130
  • good with wood.
  • 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:32.260
  • Could you make us canes?
  • 00:31:32.260 --> 00:31:35.090
  • We would really appreciate it if
  • 00:31:35.090 --> 00:31:36.040
  • you could use your carpentry
  • 00:31:36.040 --> 00:31:38.090
  • skills and make us some canes
  • 00:31:38.090 --> 00:31:39.200
  • so that way we can get around
  • 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.230
  • a little better because
  • 00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:41.250
  • we're blind."
  • 00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:43.170
  • Or maybe they would upgrade
  • 00:31:43.170 --> 00:31:44.200
  • that request and say,
  • 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.200
  • "You know, Jesus,
  • 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.270
  • we would love a Roman chariot.
  • 00:31:47.270 --> 00:31:50.240
  • I just thought, you know,
  • 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.100
  • one time, even though I'm blind,
  • 00:31:52.100 --> 00:31:53.090
  • that I can feel, I would love
  • 00:31:53.090 --> 00:31:54.140
  • to feel the rush of the wind
  • 00:31:54.140 --> 00:31:55.160
  • against my hair.
  • 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.060
  • I think I have hair.
  • 00:31:57.270 --> 00:32:00.290
  • And that way I can have
  • 00:32:00.290 --> 00:32:01.210
  • an experience,
  • 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:02.150
  • even though I'm blind.
  • 00:32:02.150 --> 00:32:03.140
  • I could carry that memory
  • 00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:04.200
  • with me all my life."
  • 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.020
  • See, I think there's something
  • 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:10.140
  • unexpected that happens here
  • 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.240
  • that God is trying to press
  • 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.250
  • into our souls.
  • 00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:17.120
  • That if we ask God for too
  • 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:19.200
  • little, we will live our lives
  • 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.130
  • disappointed because we thought
  • 00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:24.180
  • God was more than that.
  • 00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:27.040
  • See, I think a lot of us
  • 00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:28.010
  • actually protect God
  • 00:32:28.010 --> 00:32:30.040
  • by praying small prayers.
  • 00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:33.100
  • I think a lot of us are
  • 00:32:33.100 --> 00:32:34.080
  • terrified to ask God to do big
  • 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:36.100
  • things in us and through us and
  • 00:32:36.100 --> 00:32:39.070
  • for us because it might prove
  • 00:32:39.070 --> 00:32:41.050
  • that God does not exist.
  • 00:32:41.110 --> 00:32:44.110
  • And so we pray small prayers
  • 00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:45.280
  • that we can actually
  • 00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:47.060
  • fulfill ourselves.
  • 00:32:47.060 --> 00:32:50.020
  • We pray prayers that won't get
  • 00:32:50.020 --> 00:32:51.240
  • God in trouble, or won't put God
  • 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.230
  • in a dilemma, 'cause we don't
  • 00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:55.010
  • wanna push God into a corner
  • 00:32:55.010 --> 00:32:56.240
  • where we ask him to be God
  • 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.130
  • and we find out he's
  • 00:32:58.130 --> 00:32:59.160
  • less than we thought.
  • 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.060
  • But God does not need you to
  • 00:33:02.060 --> 00:33:03.230
  • protect him or his reputation.
  • 00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:07.220
  • God is bigger than your prayers.
  • 00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.180
  • He's bigger than your dreams.
  • 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:11.120
  • He's bigger than your
  • 00:33:11.120 --> 00:33:12.030
  • challenges.
  • 00:33:12.030 --> 00:33:13.020
  • He's bigger than your fears.
  • 00:33:13.020 --> 00:33:14.170
  • He's bigger than your doubts.
  • 00:33:14.170 --> 00:33:16.030
  • He's bigger than you.
  • 00:33:16.030 --> 00:33:18.090
  • And he's waiting for you and for
  • 00:33:18.090 --> 00:33:19.170
  • me to call on him as the God
  • 00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:22.050
  • that he is and ask big dreams,
  • 00:33:22.050 --> 00:33:24.280
  • and big prayers,
  • 00:33:24.280 --> 00:33:26.000
  • and call for big visions.
  • 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.200
  • God is looking for the person
  • 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.170
  • who's not afraid of the big ask.
  • 00:33:29.250 --> 00:33:32.250
  • Do you know what you want?
  • 00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:34.210
  • And I don't think it's
  • 00:33:34.210 --> 00:33:35.150
  • incidental that when they are
  • 00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:37.040
  • shouting out to Jesus,
  • 00:33:37.040 --> 00:33:39.100
  • the crowd rebuked them
  • 00:33:39.100 --> 00:33:41.240
  • and told them to be quiet.
  • 00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:44.280
  • You know what I've discovered
  • 00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:45.220
  • in my own life?
  • 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:47.260
  • Is that when you ask God
  • 00:33:47.260 --> 00:33:49.020
  • for big things, people don't
  • 00:33:49.020 --> 00:33:51.270
  • start cheering you on.
  • 00:33:53.020 --> 00:33:56.020
  • You see, it's really important
  • 00:33:56.020 --> 00:33:59.020
  • to pray humble prayers so
  • 00:33:59.100 --> 00:34:02.120
  • that you don't think too much
  • 00:34:02.120 --> 00:34:03.180
  • of yourself.
  • 00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.200
  • Because if you start praying big
  • 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:06.200
  • prayers, people will look at you
  • 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.000
  • and say, "Who do you think you
  • 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:08.260
  • are, praying a prayer that big?
  • 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:12.130
  • Who do you think you are, asking
  • 00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:13.280
  • God to give you your sight?
  • 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.170
  • I mean, after all,
  • 00:34:15.170 --> 00:34:16.160
  • you are no one."
  • 00:34:16.160 --> 00:34:18.200
  • These two men do not even
  • 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:19.190
  • have names.
  • 00:34:19.190 --> 00:34:21.240
  • They don't show up
  • 00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:22.180
  • on any record.
  • 00:34:22.180 --> 00:34:23.100
  • Why would Jesus take the time
  • 00:34:23.100 --> 00:34:25.290
  • and energy and effort to give
  • 00:34:25.290 --> 00:34:27.250
  • them sight when there's nothing
  • 00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:30.040
  • about them after this?
  • 00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:32.250
  • Doesn't Jesus only answer
  • 00:34:32.250 --> 00:34:34.020
  • big prayers for big people?
  • 00:34:35.020 --> 00:34:38.020
  • And so they rebuked them
  • 00:34:38.020 --> 00:34:38.290
  • because they did not feel that
  • 00:34:38.290 --> 00:34:40.280
  • they were worthy of asking Jesus
  • 00:34:41.240 --> 00:34:44.240
  • for so great a thing.
  • 00:34:44.290 --> 00:34:47.290
  • See, I think a lot of us
  • 00:34:47.290 --> 00:34:48.230
  • feel like those blind men
  • 00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:50.000
  • on the side of the road.
  • 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.080
  • And we don't want to be
  • 00:34:52.080 --> 00:34:53.290
  • intrusive on God.
  • 00:34:53.290 --> 00:34:56.130
  • We don't wanna ask God for more
  • 00:34:56.130 --> 00:34:57.130
  • than we should, or more than
  • 00:34:57.130 --> 00:34:59.140
  • we deserve, or more than
  • 00:34:59.140 --> 00:35:01.030
  • we ought to.
  • 00:35:01.030 --> 00:35:02.050
  • And so we keep our prayers
  • 00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:03.220
  • humble so that no one will think
  • 00:35:03.220 --> 00:35:05.150
  • we think too much of ourselves.
  • 00:35:05.230 --> 00:35:08.230
  • If no one is rebuking you
  • 00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:11.010
  • for your prayers,
  • 00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:11.290
  • your prayers are too small.
  • 00:35:11.290 --> 00:35:14.210
  • If no one is looking at you
  • 00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:17.000
  • with some suspicion,
  • 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.280
  • looking at you, saying,
  • 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:20.190
  • "Who do you think you are,
  • 00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:22.170
  • praying that kind of prayer?
  • 00:35:22.170 --> 00:35:24.210
  • Who do you think you are,
  • 00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:25.140
  • having that kind of dream?
  • 00:35:25.140 --> 00:35:28.080
  • Who do you think you are,
  • 00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:30.140
  • expecting God to give you
  • 00:35:30.140 --> 00:35:31.260
  • that big a life?"
  • 00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:34.240
  • And you can respond,
  • 00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:35.290
  • "I know who I am.
  • 00:35:35.290 --> 00:35:38.030
  • I'm just a blind beggar on
  • 00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:39.100
  • the side of the road, but Jesus
  • 00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:40.190
  • is walking by, and I'm not
  • 00:35:40.190 --> 00:35:42.160
  • - Tim: Coming up
  • 00:35:47.100 --> 00:35:48.010
  • - Sam Fagan: We've got DJs.
  • 00:35:50.020 --> 00:35:51.080
  • We've got dance parties.
  • 00:35:51.080 --> 00:35:52.140
  • We've got soccer, basketball.
  • 00:35:52.140 --> 00:35:54.070
  • We have got our
  • 00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:56.110
  • Tribal Competitions
  • 00:35:56.110 --> 00:35:57.220
  • that actually happen
  • 00:35:57.220 --> 00:35:58.240
  • in a giant concrete coliseum.
  • 00:35:58.240 --> 00:36:01.100
  • And then we also--
  • 00:36:01.100 --> 00:36:02.100
  • - Niyah: Okay, wait a minute.
  • 00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:03.050
  • Tribal Competitions?
  • 00:36:03.050 --> 00:36:03.200
  • What is that?
  • 00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:04.050
  • - Emma: Let's see what
  • 00:36:10.080 --> 00:36:10.250
  • Niyah and Terry are up to
  • 00:36:10.250 --> 00:36:11.250
  • - Terry: Hey, guys, welcome
  • 00:36:15.120 --> 00:36:16.050
  • back to the lounge in the foyer.
  • 00:36:16.050 --> 00:36:19.000
  • We are so glad to have you with
  • 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:19.280
  • us here for another segment.
  • 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.270
  • We are privileged to have with
  • 00:36:21.270 --> 00:36:23.210
  • us today Sam and Cheryl Fagan.
  • 00:36:23.210 --> 00:36:26.160
  • They happen to be
  • 00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:27.130
  • the youth pastors in
  • 00:36:27.130 --> 00:36:28.200
  • the Sydney City Campus,
  • 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:30.150
  • where they spend
  • 00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:31.070
  • their lives caring for
  • 00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:32.110
  • the youth of our church.
  • 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:34.010
  • So, welcome, guys.
  • 00:36:34.010 --> 00:36:35.100
  • - Cheryl Fagan: Thanks.
  • 00:36:35.100 --> 00:36:36.020
  • - Terry: Good to have you here.
  • 00:36:36.020 --> 00:36:37.190
  • - Niyah: So, now, you guys are
  • 00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:38.170
  • heading up with, of course, with
  • 00:36:38.170 --> 00:36:39.190
  • some of our other youth pastors,
  • 00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:40.260
  • Laura Toggs and Peter Toggs?
  • 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:43.020
  • - Cheryl: Yeah.
  • 00:36:43.020 --> 00:36:43.210
  • - Niyah: Our Youth Conference,
  • 00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:45.150
  • now a lot of people
  • 00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:46.120
  • don't know that we have
  • 00:36:46.120 --> 00:36:47.120
  • Hillsong Conference,
  • 00:36:47.120 --> 00:36:48.100
  • but there's a conference kinda
  • 00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:49.230
  • within the conference.
  • 00:36:49.230 --> 00:36:51.080
  • - Terry: It's kinda like
  • 00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:52.060
  • a cream-filled center
  • 00:36:52.060 --> 00:36:53.130
  • within a beautiful donut, so.
  • 00:36:53.130 --> 00:36:55.060
  • - Niyah: There we go.
  • 00:36:55.060 --> 00:36:56.000
  • We're hungry now.
  • 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:56.220
  • So you did that.
  • 00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:58.010
  • Thank you.
  • 00:36:58.010 --> 00:36:58.290
  • Okay, so tell us.
  • 00:36:58.290 --> 00:36:59.290
  • It's a Young & Free Conference.
  • 00:36:59.290 --> 00:37:01.080
  • That's our Youth Conference,
  • 00:37:01.080 --> 00:37:02.090
  • right?
  • 00:37:02.090 --> 00:37:02.280
  • - Cheryl: Yeah.
  • 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.220
  • - Niyah: Take us into that.
  • 00:37:03.220 --> 00:37:05.040
  • - Sam: It's crazy.
  • 00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:06.000
  • I don't know
  • 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.280
  • how you'd describe it.
  • 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:07.280
  • A whole lot of festival stuff
  • 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.070
  • happening, jumping castles.
  • 00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:10.250
  • We've got DJs.
  • 00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:12.240
  • We've got dance parties.
  • 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:14.160
  • We've got soccer, basketball.
  • 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:16.230
  • We have got
  • 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:18.160
  • our Tribal Competitions
  • 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:20.010
  • that actually happen
  • 00:37:20.010 --> 00:37:20.290
  • in a giant concrete coliseum.
  • 00:37:20.290 --> 00:37:23.200
  • And then we also--
  • 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:25.020
  • - Niyah: Okay, wait a minute.
  • 00:37:25.020 --> 00:37:25.230
  • Tribal Competitions?
  • 00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:26.160
  • What is that?
  • 00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:27.070
  • - Terry: Or Tribal Wars?
  • 00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:27.280
  • Are we changin' the terms, or--?
  • 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.260
  • - Sam: Yes, politically
  • 00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:31.030
  • correct, Tribal Competitions.
  • 00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:33.090
  • - Terry: Okay, so it's still
  • 00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:35.070
  • a war under the label
  • 00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:36.140
  • of a competition?
  • 00:37:36.140 --> 00:37:37.020
  • - Sam: Yes.
  • 00:37:37.020 --> 00:37:37.200
  • - Terry: It is--
  • 00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:38.070
  • - Sam: Exactly.
  • 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:38.270
  • They've rebranded it.
  • 00:37:38.270 --> 00:37:39.180
  • And so--
  • 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:40.110
  • - Niyah: But what are
  • 00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:41.000
  • Tribal Wars?
  • 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:41.180
  • What is this?
  • 00:37:41.180 --> 00:37:42.070
  • Or Tribal Competitions?
  • 00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:42.250
  • What is that?
  • 00:37:42.250 --> 00:37:43.180
  • - Sam: So, I guess,
  • 00:37:43.180 --> 00:37:44.220
  • within conference,
  • 00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:46.080
  • within Young & Free Conference,
  • 00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.100
  • we have five tribes.
  • 00:37:47.100 --> 00:37:48.200
  • We break everybody down
  • 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.230
  • into these different teams.
  • 00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:51.070
  • This year we have Tribe Royals.
  • 00:37:51.070 --> 00:37:53.080
  • We have Tribe--
  • 00:37:53.080 --> 00:37:54.260
  • - Cheryl: Supreme.
  • 00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:55.150
  • - Sam: Tribe Supreme.
  • 00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:56.080
  • - Cheryl: Blessed.
  • 00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:56.280
  • - Sam: Tribe Blessed,
  • 00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.280
  • Tribe Legacy, and Tribe Eagles.
  • 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.260
  • We have five tribes,
  • 00:38:00.260 --> 00:38:01.200
  • so every kid, every leader,
  • 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:02.280
  • is in one of those tribes.
  • 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.250
  • And then we bring 'em into
  • 00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:06.080
  • this big coliseum, and it's like
  • 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:08.040
  • throwback to gladiator.
  • 00:38:08.040 --> 00:38:09.190
  • And they're chanting.
  • 00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:11.040
  • They're screaming.
  • 00:38:11.040 --> 00:38:12.070
  • There's a whole lot of music
  • 00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:13.020
  • going on.
  • 00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:13.280
  • And then in the middle we have
  • 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.040
  • a big competition, and we just
  • 00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:16.190
  • have students compete against
  • 00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:17.200
  • each other.
  • 00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:18.130
  • We give out millions of points.
  • 00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:19.100
  • And then at the end of the week
  • 00:38:19.100 --> 00:38:21.050
  • we count 'em all up, and one
  • 00:38:21.050 --> 00:38:22.140
  • tribe is the World Champion.
  • 00:38:22.140 --> 00:38:24.230
  • - Terry: You know what's
  • 00:38:24.230 --> 00:38:25.160
  • super cool about it?
  • 00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:26.100
  • Just having seen it, there is
  • 00:38:26.100 --> 00:38:27.230
  • as much enthusiasm around
  • 00:38:27.230 --> 00:38:29.210
  • the worship as there is around
  • 00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:31.150
  • the Tribal Competitions.
  • 00:38:31.150 --> 00:38:32.260
  • I mean, they go at sport,
  • 00:38:32.260 --> 00:38:34.150
  • and community engagement,
  • 00:38:34.150 --> 00:38:36.170
  • and worship, and responding
  • 00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:37.230
  • to preaching all with the same
  • 00:38:37.230 --> 00:38:39.070
  • kind of intense energy.
  • 00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:41.010
  • - Cheryl: There's great, yeah,
  • 00:38:41.010 --> 00:38:42.010
  • I guess, unity.
  • 00:38:42.010 --> 00:38:42.280
  • And throughout the year,
  • 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.090
  • there's just a lot of, I guess,
  • 00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:45.240
  • relationships being built,
  • 00:38:45.240 --> 00:38:47.150
  • team building.
  • 00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:48.250
  • So when it comes to summer camps
  • 00:38:48.250 --> 00:38:49.200
  • and conference,
  • 00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:51.050
  • everyone's all in.
  • 00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:53.140
  • - Terry: And of course, the
  • 00:38:53.140 --> 00:38:54.110
  • Young & Free Conference is not
  • 00:38:54.110 --> 00:38:56.080
  • the same as Young & Free Music,
  • 00:38:56.080 --> 00:38:58.180
  • even though it's all a part of
  • 00:38:58.180 --> 00:38:59.250
  • the Hillsong world, our world.
  • 00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:01.080
  • - Sam: I guess
  • 00:39:01.080 --> 00:39:02.120
  • Young & Free Music,
  • 00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:04.100
  • for us, it's always been
  • 00:39:04.100 --> 00:39:05.160
  • much bigger than the band.
  • 00:39:05.160 --> 00:39:07.070
  • It's a message.
  • 00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:08.090
  • And so Young & Free Conference
  • 00:39:08.090 --> 00:39:09.140
  • is the annual Youth Conference
  • 00:39:09.140 --> 00:39:12.080
  • for us where all of our young
  • 00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:13.230
  • people come, all of our campuses
  • 00:39:13.230 --> 00:39:14.280
  • are here, a lot of international
  • 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.280
  • visitors as well.
  • 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.160
  • And we get to rally around that
  • 00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:19.290
  • message of being young and free
  • 00:39:19.290 --> 00:39:21.130
  • in Jesus.
  • 00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:22.280
  • - Niyah: Okay, so, Cheryl, take
  • 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:23.290
  • us into conference for
  • 00:39:23.290 --> 00:39:25.230
  • Young & Free.
  • 00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:27.040
  • What's it like?
  • 00:39:27.040 --> 00:39:27.250
  • Tell us a story.
  • 00:39:27.250 --> 00:39:28.190
  • Whoa!
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  • - Laura: Hi, guys!
  • 00:39:31.020 --> 00:39:32.250
  • - Terry: Hey, Laura.
  • 00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:33.250
  • - Laura: My best friends.
  • 00:39:33.250 --> 00:39:34.180
  • - Terry: We have Laura Toggs
  • 00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:35.130
  • with us on the set.
  • 00:39:35.130 --> 00:39:36.230
  • - Laura: I'm late.
  • 00:39:36.230 --> 00:39:37.250
  • I'm sorry I'm late.
  • 00:39:37.250 --> 00:39:39.070
  • - Terry: Is that unusual
  • 00:39:39.070 --> 00:39:40.070
  • for you?
  • 00:39:40.070 --> 00:39:40.270
  • Are you ever late, or--?
  • 00:39:40.270 --> 00:39:42.090
  • - Laura: So out of character.
  • 00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:43.090
  • - Terry: So out of character.
  • 00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:44.010
  • - Laura: It's so
  • 00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:44.200
  • out of character.
  • 00:39:44.200 --> 00:39:45.090
  • But can I tell you
  • 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:45.270
  • the true story?
  • 00:39:45.270 --> 00:39:46.260
  • - Terry: Yes.
  • 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.120
  • - Laura: I actually got
  • 00:39:47.120 --> 00:39:48.110
  • confused.
  • 00:39:48.110 --> 00:39:49.090
  • So they have, like,
  • 00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:50.080
  • "Hillsong Backstage" running,
  • 00:39:50.080 --> 00:39:51.210
  • which is the livestream
  • 00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:52.200
  • that's happening online.
  • 00:39:52.200 --> 00:39:54.080
  • And so I went there
  • 00:39:54.080 --> 00:39:56.110
  • thinking that was this.
  • 00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:58.090
  • And I did an interview.
  • 00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:00.000
  • And I was like, "Cool."
  • 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.240
  • And then I got an Otropo meal
  • 00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:01.280
  • from Oporto, which is, like,
  • 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.290
  • fast food.
  • 00:40:03.290 --> 00:40:04.170
  • I've been eating that for the
  • 00:40:04.170 --> 00:40:05.170
  • last 10 minutes, not knowing
  • 00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:06.200
  • that I was supposed to be here.
  • 00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:07.260
  • So my bad, I'm so sorry.
  • 00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:08.230
  • - Terry: We're glad
  • 00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:09.220
  • you're here.
  • 00:40:09.220 --> 00:40:11.010
  • Laura and Peter are the youth
  • 00:40:11.010 --> 00:40:12.020
  • pastors across Australia.
  • 00:40:12.020 --> 00:40:14.250
  • And of course, you're part of
  • 00:40:14.250 --> 00:40:16.100
  • Young & Free, not just the
  • 00:40:16.100 --> 00:40:17.250
  • conference, but also the music.
  • 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:19.220
  • And anyhow, it's just so awesome
  • 00:40:19.220 --> 00:40:21.270
  • to have you with us here today.
  • 00:40:21.270 --> 00:40:24.070
  • I think we were right in the--
  • 00:40:24.070 --> 00:40:25.080
  • - Niyah: Yeah, we were asking
  • 00:40:25.080 --> 00:40:25.280
  • Cheryl, and maybe you can jump
  • 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.040
  • in as well, we were asking,
  • 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:28.090
  • tell us some stories of,
  • 00:40:28.090 --> 00:40:29.260
  • that's coming out of
  • 00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:31.090
  • Young & Free Conference,
  • 00:40:31.090 --> 00:40:32.280
  • stories from the youth,
  • 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.080
  • encounters that they've had
  • 00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:35.200
  • in conference.
  • 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:37.080
  • I know it always inspires me.
  • 00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:39.030
  • What's some stories
  • 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:40.000
  • that you guys have heard?
  • 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.240
  • - Cheryl: Do you wanna share?
  • 00:40:41.240 --> 00:40:42.250
  • - Laura: Well, I think, for me,
  • 00:40:42.250 --> 00:40:44.070
  • like, we've kind of labeled or
  • 00:40:44.070 --> 00:40:47.000
  • themed this, kind of, stage
  • 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.210
  • in our journey as Young & Free,
  • 00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:51.220
  • "A Youth Revival,"
  • 00:40:51.220 --> 00:40:53.120
  • which we named the album.
  • 00:40:53.120 --> 00:40:54.120
  • And my suggestion for our
  • 00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:57.110
  • conference was perhaps
  • 00:40:57.110 --> 00:40:59.130
  • a youth revival will happen
  • 00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:01.150
  • once we begin to tell our story.
  • 00:41:01.150 --> 00:41:03.220
  • And so the whole thing has been
  • 00:41:03.220 --> 00:41:05.100
  • based off Psalm 145,
  • 00:41:05.100 --> 00:41:08.000
  • where it says, like,
  • 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.040
  • "Each generation
  • 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:10.010
  • tells their story."
  • 00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:11.260
  • And it's the story of Jesus.
  • 00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:14.090
  • It's, you know, to make his
  • 00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:16.060
  • glory and his splendor,
  • 00:41:16.060 --> 00:41:18.090
  • like, headline news.
  • 00:41:18.090 --> 00:41:20.030
  • "His marvelous doings
  • 00:41:20.030 --> 00:41:20.280
  • are headline news."
  • 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.130
  • And so my suggestion is, like,
  • 00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:23.190
  • if I tell my story, and she
  • 00:41:23.190 --> 00:41:25.010
  • tells her story, and he tells
  • 00:41:25.010 --> 00:41:26.180
  • her story, then collectively,
  • 00:41:26.180 --> 00:41:28.030
  • we're all telling our stories.
  • 00:41:28.030 --> 00:41:30.030
  • And that's what our generation
  • 00:41:30.030 --> 00:41:31.060
  • will be remember for.
  • 00:41:31.060 --> 00:41:32.160
  • So that, like, when our
  • 00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:33.190
  • children's children, they're
  • 00:41:33.190 --> 00:41:35.040
  • reading about their parents and
  • 00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:36.190
  • their parents' parents, there'll
  • 00:41:36.190 --> 00:41:38.130
  • be a story to tell, you know?
  • 00:41:38.130 --> 00:41:40.010
  • And so, for us, we've just been
  • 00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:42.160
  • really empowering our young
  • 00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:44.040
  • people to actually, like, not be
  • 00:41:44.040 --> 00:41:46.280
  • ashamed of their story, but
  • 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.150
  • to let their story inspire faith
  • 00:41:48.150 --> 00:41:50.100
  • and hope and love, and
  • 00:41:50.100 --> 00:41:51.220
  • to tell of this youth revival.
  • 00:41:51.220 --> 00:41:53.030
  • And so to hear, like,
  • 00:41:53.030 --> 00:41:54.000
  • the individual stories coming
  • 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.030
  • together, like, to, like,
  • 00:41:56.030 --> 00:41:57.160
  • kind of, make this big,
  • 00:41:57.160 --> 00:41:59.040
  • one big collective story is,
  • 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.240
  • I don't know.
  • 00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:01.140
  • It's awesome.
  • 00:42:01.140 --> 00:42:02.090
  • - Niyah: Now, I have to ask.
  • 00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:03.050
  • Why do a conference?
  • 00:42:03.050 --> 00:42:04.050
  • I mean, we have our regular big
  • 00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:05.130
  • conference, Hillsong Conference.
  • 00:42:05.130 --> 00:42:06.280
  • But why put on
  • 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:07.190
  • a Youth Conference?
  • 00:42:07.190 --> 00:42:09.060
  • - Laura: Yeah, well, I mean,
  • 00:42:09.060 --> 00:42:10.080
  • I guess I am so grateful for
  • 00:42:10.080 --> 00:42:12.080
  • senior pastors and a leadership
  • 00:42:12.080 --> 00:42:13.260
  • who believe in the generations.
  • 00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.160
  • And like, to the point where,
  • 00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:18.000
  • like, okay, I'm gonna be honest
  • 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.190
  • with you.
  • 00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:20.150
  • So we, like, suggested that
  • 00:42:20.150 --> 00:42:21.210
  • perhaps Young & Free Conference
  • 00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:24.090
  • is getting to the point where
  • 00:42:24.090 --> 00:42:25.140
  • the conference is, like,
  • 00:42:25.140 --> 00:42:27.000
  • kind of, like, becoming, like,
  • 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.130
  • quite big, like, for the venue,
  • 00:42:28.130 --> 00:42:29.230
  • which is amazing,
  • 00:42:29.230 --> 00:42:30.270
  • such an incredible testimony.
  • 00:42:30.270 --> 00:42:32.110
  • So we suggested that perhaps
  • 00:42:32.110 --> 00:42:33.260
  • we should, like, I don't know,
  • 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:36.110
  • like, logistically move it,
  • 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:38.020
  • which would mean that, like, we
  • 00:42:38.020 --> 00:42:39.130
  • couldn't be in the main rally.
  • 00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:40.260
  • But our leadership team, like,
  • 00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:43.050
  • value our youth being so, like,
  • 00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:45.000
  • up front in the main rally,
  • 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.120
  • like, amongst all of the adults
  • 00:42:46.120 --> 00:42:47.220
  • and everybody, and just bringing
  • 00:42:47.220 --> 00:42:49.190
  • them to the forefront
  • 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:50.230
  • is so important.
  • 00:42:50.230 --> 00:42:51.210
  • And it's just an example of,
  • 00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:52.290
  • like, how much they believe
  • 00:42:52.290 --> 00:42:54.050
  • and value young people.
  • 00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:55.230
  • And one thing we always say
  • 00:42:55.230 --> 00:42:56.270
  • is that, "The youth aren't
  • 00:42:56.270 --> 00:42:57.270
  • the future of the church.
  • 00:42:57.270 --> 00:42:58.200
  • Like, they are the church.
  • 00:42:58.200 --> 00:42:59.220
  • They're part of the church,"
  • 00:42:59.220 --> 00:43:00.280
  • you know?
  • 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.190
  • So I think, yeah.
  • 00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:03.230
  • - Terry: The thing I love about
  • 00:43:03.230 --> 00:43:04.160
  • that is that what we see here at
  • 00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:05.160
  • conference is really a picture
  • 00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:06.290
  • of what we have in our church,
  • 00:43:06.290 --> 00:43:08.200
  • Hillsong Church,
  • 00:43:08.200 --> 00:43:09.190
  • around the planet.
  • 00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:10.190
  • And also, what I think every
  • 00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:12.000
  • pastor wants, and that is to see
  • 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.170
  • the young people in the church,
  • 00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:15.200
  • students and young adults, just
  • 00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:17.090
  • fully engaged in the life of the
  • 00:43:17.090 --> 00:43:19.090
  • church, not kinda segmented off,
  • 00:43:19.090 --> 00:43:21.140
  • even though they have their
  • 00:43:21.140 --> 00:43:22.180
  • fun activities, and you know,
  • 00:43:22.180 --> 00:43:24.080
  • opportunities to create
  • 00:43:24.080 --> 00:43:25.230
  • community together.
  • 00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:27.030
  • But really, that youthful energy
  • 00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:28.240
  • creates a young at heart
  • 00:43:28.240 --> 00:43:30.240
  • environment where that everybody
  • 00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:32.130
  • can encounter God
  • 00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:33.170
  • in a fresh way.
  • 00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:34.100
  • So the conference is a picture
  • 00:43:34.100 --> 00:43:35.160
  • of the life of the church,
  • 00:43:35.160 --> 00:43:36.270
  • isn't it?
  • 00:43:36.270 --> 00:43:37.120
  • - Laura: I think so.
  • 00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:37.270
  • Absolutely.
  • 00:43:37.270 --> 00:43:39.000
  • - Niyah: Now, Cheryl, you were
  • 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000
  • telling us a story that you know
  • 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.100
  • of maybe that came out of youth.
  • 00:43:41.100 --> 00:43:42.160
  • Tell us about the story.
  • 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:43.210
  • - Cheryl: There's so many
  • 00:43:43.210 --> 00:43:44.150
  • stories.
  • 00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:45.060
  • But one story that came to mind
  • 00:43:45.060 --> 00:43:46.150
  • was the story of Grace,
  • 00:43:46.150 --> 00:43:47.240
  • who is a year 12 student.
  • 00:43:47.240 --> 00:43:49.150
  • So she's finishing high school.
  • 00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:51.100
  • And she just felt, at school was
  • 00:43:51.100 --> 00:43:53.000
  • really challenged to, I guess,
  • 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.230
  • share Jesus, share church,
  • 00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:57.290
  • invite people, but was so
  • 00:43:57.290 --> 00:43:59.060
  • overwhelmed with, I guess,
  • 00:43:59.060 --> 00:44:01.100
  • wanting to fit in
  • 00:44:01.100 --> 00:44:02.130
  • and not wanting to stand out.
  • 00:44:02.130 --> 00:44:04.110
  • So she just talks about
  • 00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:05.070
  • her relationship with her youth
  • 00:44:05.070 --> 00:44:06.110
  • leader, who, I guess, empowered
  • 00:44:06.110 --> 00:44:07.260
  • her and just made things simple
  • 00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:09.290
  • for her, that it's about Jesus
  • 00:44:09.290 --> 00:44:11.130
  • and showing people love.
  • 00:44:11.130 --> 00:44:12.240
  • And so now this young girl,
  • 00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:14.030
  • she's involved in, like,
  • 00:44:14.030 --> 00:44:15.170
  • student leadership.
  • 00:44:15.170 --> 00:44:17.020
  • She preaches when we do things
  • 00:44:17.020 --> 00:44:19.000
  • on Friday nights.
  • 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.140
  • And so she shared her story
  • 00:44:20.140 --> 00:44:21.220
  • today at youth.
  • 00:44:21.220 --> 00:44:22.160
  • - Terry: Awesome.
  • 00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:23.170
  • - Cheryl: Yeah, it's about
  • 00:44:23.170 --> 00:44:24.160
  • how God's impacted her life,
  • 00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:25.170
  • and how she wants to be
  • 00:44:25.170 --> 00:44:27.200
  • a leader as well, yeah.
  • 00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:30.000
  • - Terry: Fantastic.
  • 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.290
  • Well done, guys.
  • 00:44:30.290 --> 00:44:31.270
  • Thanks for bein here.
  • 00:44:31.270 --> 00:44:33.020
  • [music]
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  • There's nothing more
  • 00:44:38.150 --> 00:44:39.180
  • I want than just
  • 00:44:39.180 --> 00:44:40.280
  • to know his love
  • 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.270
  • My heart is set on Christ
  • 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
  • and I will count all else
  • 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.140
  • as loss
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  • The greatest of my crowns
  • 00:44:50.050 --> 00:44:53.050
  • mean nothing to me now
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  • For I counted up the cost
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  • and all my wealth
  • 00:44:59.190 --> 00:45:01.130
  • is in the cross
  • 00:45:05.120 --> 00:45:08.120
  • - Emma: Let's check out what's
  • 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.170
  • There is a hill
  • 00:45:24.290 --> 00:45:27.020
  • I cherish, where stood
  • 00:45:29.070 --> 00:45:32.070
  • a precious tree
  • 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.000
  • the emblem of salvation
  • 00:45:42.020 --> 00:45:45.020
  • the gift of Cavalry
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  • How is it I should profit
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  • while he is crucified?
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  • Yet, as his life was taken
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  • so I was granted mine
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  • My wealth is in the cross
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  • There's nothing more I want
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  • than just to know his love
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  • My heart is set on Christ
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  • and I will count all else
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  • as loss
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  • The greatest of my crowns
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  • mean nothing to me now
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  • For I counted up the cost
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  • and all my wealth is
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  • in the cross
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  • I will not boast in riches
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  • I have no pride in gold
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  • But I will boast in Jesus
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  • and in his name alone
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  • My wealth is in the cross
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  • There's nothing more I want
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  • than just to know his love
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  • My heart is set on Christ
  • 00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:35.070
  • and I will count all else
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  • as loss
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  • The greatest of my crowns
  • 00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:42.170
  • mean nothing to me now
  • 00:47:42.180 --> 00:47:45.180
  • For I counted up the cost
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  • and all my wealth
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  • is in the cross
  • 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.000
  • Yes, all my wealth
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  • is in the cross
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  • And when I stand in glory
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  • my crowns before the Lord
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  • let this be my confession
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  • My wealth is in the cross
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  • hallelujah
  • 00:48:32.130 --> 00:48:34.140
  • My wealth is in the cross
  • 00:48:34.140 --> 00:48:37.130
  • There's nothing more I want
  • 00:48:37.210 --> 00:48:40.210
  • than just to know his love
  • 00:48:41.140 --> 00:48:44.140
  • My heart is set on Christ
  • 00:48:44.140 --> 00:48:47.070
  • and I will count all else
  • 00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:49.150
  • as loss
  • 00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:51.150
  • The greatest of my crowns
  • 00:48:51.150 --> 00:48:54.150
  • mean nothing to me now
  • 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:57.160
  • For I counted up the cost
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:49:01.010
  • and all my wealth
  • 00:49:01.010 --> 00:49:02.210
  • is in the cross
  • 00:49:02.210 --> 00:49:04.270
  • There's nothing more I want
  • 00:49:04.270 --> 00:49:07.270
  • than just to know his love
  • 00:49:08.230 --> 00:49:11.230
  • My heart is set on Christ
  • 00:49:11.230 --> 00:49:14.220
  • and I will count
  • 00:49:14.220 --> 00:49:16.160
  • all else as loss
  • 00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:18.170
  • The greatest of my crowns
  • 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.000
  • mean nothing to me now
  • 00:49:22.120 --> 00:49:25.120
  • For I counted up the cost
  • 00:49:25.120 --> 00:49:28.040
  • and all my wealth
  • 00:49:28.040 --> 00:49:29.260
  • is in the cross
  • 00:49:34.060 --> 00:49:37.060
  • whoa
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  • Yes, all my wealth
  • 00:49:42.100 --> 00:49:43.210
  • is in the cross
  • 00:49:46.270 --> 00:49:49.270
  • My wealth is in the cross
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  • Yes, all my wealth
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  • - Niyah: Pastor Bobbie,
  • 00:50:10.160 --> 00:50:11.050
  • now, talk to me.
  • 00:50:11.050 --> 00:50:12.070
  • Tell me about this book.
  • 00:50:12.070 --> 00:50:13.060
  • Where did it come from?
  • 00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.130
  • Where was it birthed out of?
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  • - Bobbie Houston: Okay, so,
  • 00:50:16.050 --> 00:50:16.260
  • you know, in a nutshell, I think
  • 00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:19.130
  • we're livin' in remarkable days.
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  • God is just, you know,
  • 00:50:21.010 --> 00:50:22.060
  • orchestrating something
  • 00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:23.280
  • quite miraculous in his church,
  • 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.210
  • men and women together.
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  • And so, for us, you know,
  • 00:50:27.060 --> 00:50:28.150
  • that book gives expression
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  • to our 20-year,
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  • - Brian Houston: You watch
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  • people as the week goes on.
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  • The [inaudible] begins to drop.
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  • God starts to touch people.
  • 00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:38.030
  • And by the time you get to
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  • Friday night, the atmosphere is
  • 00:50:38.290 --> 00:50:40.010
  • alive and unbelievable.
  • 00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:40.290
  • So it's been cool.
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  • - Steve: We should let people
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  • know at home not to be alarmed
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  • by the fact that there's
  • 00:50:44.210 --> 00:50:45.200
  • an ambulance behind Pastor Brian
  • 00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:47.090
  • at the moment.
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  • It's not for Pastor Brian.
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  • - Emma: Yesterday Pastor Brian
  • 00:50:51.260 --> 00:50:53.000
  • had a great session,
  • 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:53.290
  • "Let's Talk Church."
  • 00:50:53.290 --> 00:50:55.090
  • He sat down next to you,
  • 00:50:55.090 --> 00:50:56.090
  • had a few things to say about
  • 00:50:56.090 --> 00:50:58.030
  • your relationship.
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  • - Brian: A lot of those
  • 00:51:02.070 --> 00:51:02.230
  • Old Testament prophets,
  • 00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:03.170
  • they were very edgy
  • 00:51:03.170 --> 00:51:04.070
  • sorta characters.
  • 00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:05.240
  • So do you think it's possible
  • 00:51:05.240 --> 00:51:07.130
  • to be a prophet and be normal?
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  • - Marion Penny:
  • 00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:12.120
  • - Hannah Moses: I guess, in
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  • a way, I've been super blessed
  • 00:51:16.200 --> 00:51:17.290
  • because I feel like, especially
  • 00:51:17.290 --> 00:51:19.010
  • in our church, I've always felt
  • 00:51:19.010 --> 00:51:21.000
  • so empowered and believed in
  • 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.240
  • by our leaders, and especially
  • 00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:24.150
  • by our senior pastor,
  • 00:51:24.150 --> 00:51:26.050
  • who is such a, I guess,
  • 00:51:26.050 --> 00:51:27.250
  • champion of women,
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  • and women, whether
  • 00:51:29.180 --> 00:51:30.290
  • it's preachers, or pastors,
  • 00:51:30.290 --> 00:51:32.070
  • and singers, songwriters.
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  • Like, I've always felt
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  • Like, I've always felt
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