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June 14, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guests Pam Tebow, Jeremy & Audrey Roloff

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  • - MALE: HEY!
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO
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  • SHOW."
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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  • FOLKS, IT'S THE "ERIC METAXAS
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  • I'M IN THE STUDIO WITH PAM--
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  • FORGIVE ME-- TEBOW, IS IT?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • HOW DO YOU SAY THAT?
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  • YOU SAY, TE--
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  • - PAM TEBOW: TEBOW.
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  • - ERIC: TEBOW.
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  • - PAM: HI.
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  • - ERIC: OH, OKAY, AND--
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  • - PAM: LIKE "TEE" AND "BOW."
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  • - ERIC: AND YOU HAVE A FOREWORD
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  • TO THIS NEW BOOK BY TIM TEBOW.
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  • I'M ASSUMING THAT'S NOT
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  • "THE" TIM TEBOW?
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  • - PAM: IT IS.
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  • - ERIC: IT IS.
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  • HOW DID YOU GET HIM TO WRITE THE
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  • FOREWORD TO YOUR BOOK?
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  • BECAUSE I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY.
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  • I WRITE BOOKS, AND I DON'T EVEN
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  • THINK HE--
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  • I THINK HIS HANDLERS DON'T
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  • EVEN ANSWER MY E-MAILS.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • PAM, HOW DID YOU SCORE A
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  • FOREWORD BY TIM TEBOW FOR YOUR
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  • - PAM: WELL, I DIDN'T EVEN ASK
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  • HIM TO DO THAT, SO I'M GRATEFUL.
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  • - ERIC: YOU DIDN'T EVEN ASK
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  • HIM?
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  • - PAM: I'M GRATEFUL.
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  • - ERIC: YOU DIDN'T EVEN ASK
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  • HIM?
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  • - ERIC: HE'S A SON?
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  • IS HE YOUR SON?
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  • - PAM: HE IS A SON, MY YOUNGEST
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  • SON.
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  • - ERIC: ALBIN, WHY DON'T YOU
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  • TELL ME THIS STUFF?
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  • YOU MEAN YOU'RE THE MOTHER OF
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  • TIM TEBOW?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - PAM: FOR A LONG TIME.
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  • - ERIC: LISTEN, I'M SO EXCITED
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  • TO MEET YOU.
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  • I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF
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  • MEETING YOUR SON, WHOM WE CALL
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  • "TIMMY."
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  • I KNOW, WHEN I HEAR
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  • YOU, YOU SAY, "TIMMY."
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  • HE'S TOO BIG FOR ME
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  • TO CALL HIM "TIMMY,"
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  • BUT I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF
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  • MEETING HIM AND HAVE BEEN REALLY
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  • IMPRESSED IN PERSON.
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  • LIKE, IT'S ONE THING TO BE
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  • IMPRESSED BY SOMEBODY'S MEDIA
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  • IMAGE, BUT IN PERSON, DO YOU
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  • HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT IN
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  • RAISING HIM?
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  • - PAM: LET'S HOPE SO.
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  • I THINK MOMS AND DADS AND
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  • SIBLINGS AND OTHERS HAVE AN
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  • IMPACT.
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  • - ERIC: YEAH, AND YOU'RE EVEN
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  • HUMBLE.
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  • YOU'RE KILLIN' ME.
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  • STOP IT.
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  • NOW, THE BOOK IS TITLED
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  • "RIPPLE EFFECTS:
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  • DISCOVER THE MIRACULOUS
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  • MOTIVATING POWER OF A WOMAN'S
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  • INFLUENCE."
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  • "RIPPLE EFFECTS."
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  • SO WHAT IS THIS BOOK ABOUT?
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  • - PAM: WELL, IT'S ABOUT THE
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  • IMPACT THAT WE CAN HAVE WHEN WE
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  • IMPACT THE LIVES AROUND US.
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  • WE IMPACT ONE LIFE, AND THAT ONE
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  • LIFE, IN TURN, IMPACTS THE LIVES
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  • IN HIS OR HER SPHERE, WHETHER
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  • IT'S SMALL OR WHETHER IT'S
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  • LARGE.
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  • LIKE, TIMMY HAS A LARGE IMPACT,
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  • A BIG SPHERE, BUT THEN THERE ARE
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  • OTHERS THAT HAVE SMALLER
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  • SPHERES, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
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  • THEY'RE STILL MAKING A
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  • DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD BY A
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  • "LIFE IMPACT."
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  • THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO CALL IT.
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  • - ERIC: I TALK ABOUT THIS KIND
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  • OF THING A LOT, ACTUALLY.
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  • I DON'T CALL IT "THE RIPPLE
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  • EFFECT," ALTHOUGH I THINK I WILL
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  • STEAL THAT NOW.
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  • - PAM: NO, NO, MY KIDS WOULD
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  • NOT LIKE THAT.
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  • - ERIC: WILL THEY SUE ME?
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  • - PAM: TWO OF THEM CLAIM IT.
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  • - ERIC: I KNOW THE TEBOWS ARE
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  • FAMOUSLY LITIGIOUS.
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  • - PAM: YEAH, BOTH TIMMY AND HIS
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  • SISTER CHRISTY BOTH CAME UP WITH
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  • IT.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ERIC: WELL, BUT THEY DIDN'T
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  • INVENT PONDS, DID THEY?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • BUT, SERIOUSLY, YOU REALIZE THE
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  • VALUE OF LIFE IS NOT JUST THAT
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  • LIFE.
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  • IT'S WHAT OTHER LIVES WILL THAT
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  • LIFE AFFECT-- HUGE.
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  • IT'S INFINITE, ISN'T IT?
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  • - PAM: IT IS.
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  • - ERIC: SO, YEAH, SO WHAT DO
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  • YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THAT SUBJECT
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  • THEN?
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  • - PAM: WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY
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  • HAS THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY.
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  • WE ALL ARE IN CONNECTION WITH A
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  • PERSON, AND IF WE IMPACT THAT
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  • PERSON, THAT PERSON IMPACTS
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  • SOMEONE ELSE, AND IT'S DIFFERENT
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  • FOR ALL OF US.
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  • WE MAY BE MOMS IN A HOME, AND,
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  • OF COURSE, OUR CHILDREN ARE
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  • OBVIOUS PEOPLE THAT WE WANNA
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  • IMPACT,
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  • BUT THEN MAYBE WE'RE IN AN
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  • OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE GO
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  • EVERY DAY, AND WE CAN SET AN
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  • EXAMPLE,
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  • THE WORDS WE SPEAK,
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  • THE WAY WE LOVE ON PEOPLE,
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  • THE WAY WE LIVE OUR LIFE,
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  • YOU KNOW, TO BE INTENTIONAL
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  • ABOUT HOW WE LIVE.
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  • THAT'S ONE THING WE WANTED TO
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  • TEACH OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, IF OUR
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  • GOAL IS INFLUENCE, AND WE HAVE
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  • TO LIVE DIFFERENTLY.
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  • PEOPLE ARE WATCHING US.
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  • YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA
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  • SEE?
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  • HOW ARE THEY GONNA SEE US LIVING
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  • OUT OUR LIVES THAT'S GONNA
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  • IMPACT THEM?
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  • - ERIC: I ALWAYS SAY THAT YOU
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  • WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, WHETHER YOU
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  • LIKE IT OR NOT.
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  • THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT KIND
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  • OF AN IMPACT?
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  • YOU CAN IMPACT PEOPLE: YOU CAN
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  • PUSH THEM AWAY FROM GOD, OR YOU
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  • CAN PUSH THEM TOWARD GOD.
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  • YOU WILL PUSH THEM SOMEPLACE
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  • 'CAUSE THEY'RE WATCHING YOU.
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  • EVEN IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING,
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  • THEY'RE WATCHING YOU.
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  • - PAM: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • - ERIC: IT'S A GREAT
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  • RESPONSIBILITY.
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  • - PAM: IT IS.
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  • - ERIC: I WANNA HEAR A LITTLE
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  • BIT ABOUT YOUR STORY BECAUSE
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  • I'VE HEARD BITS OF IT HERE AND
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  • THERE.
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  • IT SOUNDS FASCINATING.
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  • HERE YOU ARE.
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  • MY AUDIENCE WANTS TO HEAR IT.
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  • PAM TEBOW, WHAT IS YOUR STORY?
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  • LIKE, WHERE DID YOU GROW UP?
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  • LET'S START THERE.
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  • - PAM: MY DAD WAS AN ARMY
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  • COLONEL, SO I GREW UP ALL OVER
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  • THE WORLD, AND I DIDN'T EXACTLY
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  • HAVE A HOME BECAUSE WE MOVED
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  • FROM PLACE TO PLACE.
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  • - ERIC: SURE, SURE.
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  • - PAM: AND I DIDN'T GROW UP IN
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  • A CHRISTIAN HOME.
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  • I NEVER HAD A BIBLE STORY READ
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  • TO ME, OR I DIDN'T ATTEND
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  • CHURCH, BUT I HAD A BIG VIEW OF
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  • THE WORLD BECAUSE I'D SEEN SO
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  • MANY PLACES, EVEN AS A CHILD.
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  • SO MY FAMILY MOVED TO
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  • CHARLESTON.
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  • MY DAD WAS A VICE COMMANDER OF
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  • AN ARMY, LITTLE ARMY DEPOT.
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  • AND ONE DAY, WHEN I WAS 12, MY
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  • DAD WAS OUT PLAYING GOLF.
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  • MY MOM SLEPT IN, AND I GOT MY
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  • EIGHT-YEAR-OLD SISTER UP,
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  • AND WE WALKED TO CHURCH
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  • ALL BY OURSELVES.
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  • FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THAT
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  • CHURCH, I HEARD THAT GOD LOVED
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  • ME AND THAT HE LOVED ME SO MUCH
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  • THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY SON.
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  • - ERIC: YOU MUST'VE BEEN TO THE
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  • WRONG CHURCH 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TO
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  • MANY CHURCHES WHERE YOU'RE NOT
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  • HEARIN' THAT MESSAGE,
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  • I'LL TELL YA.
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  • - PAM: BUT, YOU KNOW, I ONLY
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  • WENT TO ONE CHURCH,
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  • SO IT'S SUCH A GOD STORY
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  • 'CAUSE AT THAT CHURCH--
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  • - ERIC: ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
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  • OF COURSE, IT IS.
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  • - PAM: -- THEY SHARED THE
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  • GOSPEL, BUT THEY SHARED IT IN A
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  • CLEAR WAY.
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  • - ERIC: AND A 12-YEAR-OLD WHO
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  • JUST HAPPENED TO STUMBLE IN
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  • THERE.
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  • - PAM: ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
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  • - ERIC: ACTUALLY, THAT SOUNDS
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  • GENUINELY MIRACULOUS.
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  • I MEAN, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
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  • - PAM: I LOVE TO CALL IT A GOD
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  • STORY, ONE THAT'S--
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  • - ERIC: WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN
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  • YOU THINK OF ALL THAT'S HAPPENED
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  • IN YOUR LIFE.
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  • OKAY, SO YOU'RE 12.
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  • THEN WHAT?
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  • - PAM: I DIDN'T GET TO GO BACK
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  • TO THAT CHURCH BECAUSE THE
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  • PEOPLE CAME TO VISIT, AND MY
  • 00:05:48.110 --> 00:05:49.230
  • PARENTS WERE A LITTLE OFFENDED
  • 00:05:49.230 --> 00:05:51.030
  • THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I'D
  • 00:05:51.030 --> 00:05:51.240
  • AND SO THEY DIDN'T LET ME
  • 00:05:53.200 --> 00:05:54.270
  • RETURN, SO I DIDN'T GROW VERY
  • 00:05:54.270 --> 00:05:56.050
  • MUCH IN MY FAITH, BUT I STILL
  • 00:05:56.050 --> 00:05:58.010
  • HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVING
  • 00:05:58.010 --> 00:05:58.200
  • INSIDE ME, AND THAT MADE A REAL
  • 00:05:58.200 --> 00:05:59.120
  • - ERIC: SO YOUR PARENTS WERE
  • 00:06:01.210 --> 00:06:02.120
  • UPSET WHEN THEY FOUND OUT WHAT
  • 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:03.030
  • YOU'D DONE?
  • 00:06:03.030 --> 00:06:04.110
  • - PAM: THEY WERE-- NOT THAT I
  • 00:06:04.110 --> 00:06:05.150
  • WENT TO THE CHURCH BUT THAT, I
  • 00:06:05.150 --> 00:06:07.130
  • THINK, THEY WERE EMBARRASSED BY
  • 00:06:07.130 --> 00:06:08.240
  • THE PEOPLE COMING AND THAT THEY
  • 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:10.180
  • WEREN'T TAKING ME TO CHURCH.
  • 00:06:10.180 --> 00:06:12.110
  • I REALLY THINK THAT'S PART OF
  • 00:06:12.110 --> 00:06:13.090
  • IT.
  • 00:06:13.090 --> 00:06:13.270
  • - ERIC: UH-HUH, WOW, OKAY.
  • 00:06:13.270 --> 00:06:16.230
  • - PAM: BECAUSE MY MOTHER
  • 00:06:16.230 --> 00:06:17.260
  • ACTUALLY-- I FOUND OUT LATER.
  • 00:06:17.260 --> 00:06:18.220
  • SHE WAS A BELIEVER, BUT SHE WAS
  • 00:06:18.220 --> 00:06:20.060
  • JUST SO ENAMORED WITH THE LIFE
  • 00:06:21.100 --> 00:06:24.100
  • MY DAD HAD, AND IT GAVE HER--
  • 00:06:24.100 --> 00:06:26.190
  • YOU KNOW, SHE WAS IN THE SOCIAL
  • 00:06:26.190 --> 00:06:28.070
  • WORLD OF THE ARMY OFFICER'S
  • 00:06:28.070 --> 00:06:29.250
  • WIFE, AND SO SHE JUST PUT HER
  • 00:06:29.250 --> 00:06:32.020
  • FAITH ON THE SHELF FOR A WHILE.
  • 00:06:32.020 --> 00:06:33.220
  • TOOK IT OUT AGAIN LATER, MUCH
  • 00:06:33.220 --> 00:06:35.080
  • LATER.
  • 00:06:35.080 --> 00:06:37.030
  • - ERIC: AT WHAT POINT-- SO WHAT
  • 00:06:37.030 --> 00:06:38.170
  • HAPPENS AFTER THAT IN TERMS OF
  • 00:06:38.170 --> 00:06:39.170
  • YOUR FAITH JOURNEY?
  • 00:06:39.170 --> 00:06:40.250
  • - PAM: WELL, THEY DIDN'T LET ME
  • 00:06:40.250 --> 00:06:41.180
  • GO BACK TO THE CHURCH,
  • 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:42.130
  • SO I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH
  • 00:06:42.130 --> 00:06:44.240
  • MORE INPUT,
  • 00:06:44.260 --> 00:06:47.260
  • BUT I DID GO TO THE UNIVERSITY
  • 00:06:47.260 --> 00:06:48.170
  • OF FLORIDA AT 17, AND I JUST
  • 00:06:48.170 --> 00:06:49.270
  • CONSIDER MYSELF A FLORIDIAN
  • 00:06:49.270 --> 00:06:52.050
  • BECAUSE MY FATHER HAD GONE THERE
  • 00:06:52.050 --> 00:06:53.280
  • SO--
  • 00:06:53.280 --> 00:06:54.270
  • - ERIC: BUT YOU WENT TO THE
  • 00:06:54.270 --> 00:06:55.170
  • UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA?
  • 00:06:55.170 --> 00:06:57.080
  • - PAM: I WENT TO THE
  • 00:06:57.080 --> 00:06:57.250
  • UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
  • 00:06:57.250 --> 00:06:58.120
  • - ERIC: SEE, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS
  • 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.040
  • PART OF THE STORY.
  • 00:06:59.040 --> 00:06:59.190
  • I'M ALREADY EXCITED.
  • 00:06:59.190 --> 00:07:00.070
  • - PAM: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:07:00.070 --> 00:07:00.240
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT I
  • 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.140
  • ONLY WENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY
  • 00:07:01.140 --> 00:07:03.050
  • SON-- YOU KNOW, THAT I'M A GATOR
  • 00:07:03.050 --> 00:07:04.080
  • FAN BECAUSE OF MY SON, BUT I
  • 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:06.030
  • ACTUALLY WENT THERE.
  • 00:07:06.030 --> 00:07:07.120
  • I ACTUALLY MET MY HUSBAND THERE.
  • 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:08.100
  • - ERIC: HE'S A GATOR BECAUSE OF
  • 00:07:08.100 --> 00:07:09.190
  • YOU.
  • 00:07:09.190 --> 00:07:09.280
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:10.120
  • - PAM: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:10.290
  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO YOU MET YOUR
  • 00:07:10.290 --> 00:07:11.200
  • HUSBAND AT FLORIDA.
  • 00:07:11.200 --> 00:07:12.170
  • - PAM: I DID.
  • 00:07:12.170 --> 00:07:13.120
  • I MET MY HUSBAND THERE, AND WHEN
  • 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.220
  • I MET HIM THOUGH, I THOUGHT HE
  • 00:07:14.220 --> 00:07:15.290
  • WAS A RELIGIOUS FANATIC.
  • 00:07:15.290 --> 00:07:18.000
  • - ERIC: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:18.290
  • - PAM: HE HAD BECOME A
  • 00:07:18.290 --> 00:07:19.170
  • CHRISTIAN AT 16.
  • 00:07:19.170 --> 00:07:21.260
  • - ERIC: SO WHEN YOU MET HIM IN
  • 00:07:21.260 --> 00:07:22.180
  • COLLEGE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE VERY
  • 00:07:22.180 --> 00:07:23.180
  • YOUNG.
  • 00:07:23.180 --> 00:07:24.070
  • WAS YOUR FAITH IMMEDIATELY
  • 00:07:24.150 --> 00:07:27.150
  • REKINDLED, OR DID YOU NEED SOME
  • 00:07:27.150 --> 00:07:28.230
  • SELLING ON THE JOB?
  • 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:29.210
  • - PAM: NO, I DIDN'T.
  • 00:07:29.210 --> 00:07:31.230
  • YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST ALL CAUGHT
  • 00:07:31.230 --> 00:07:33.140
  • UP IN THE SOCIAL WORLD OF
  • 00:07:33.140 --> 00:07:34.270
  • UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AND I
  • 00:07:34.270 --> 00:07:36.030
  • JOINED A SORORITY, AND I THOUGHT
  • 00:07:36.030 --> 00:07:39.020
  • THAT THE WAY TO HAVE AN
  • 00:07:39.020 --> 00:07:40.230
  • INFLUENCE WAS TO BE INVOLVED IN
  • 00:07:40.230 --> 00:07:42.170
  • ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES.
  • 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:43.190
  • EVEN THEN, I THOUGHT ABOUT BEING
  • 00:07:43.190 --> 00:07:44.270
  • INFLUENTIAL.
  • 00:07:44.270 --> 00:07:46.200
  • I WAS GOING ABOUT IT IN THE
  • 00:07:46.200 --> 00:07:47.110
  • WRONG WAY THOUGH, SO TRIED TO
  • 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:48.030
  • BUILD AN IMPRESSIVE RESUME,
  • 00:07:48.030 --> 00:07:49.210
  • BUT THE BEGINNING
  • 00:07:49.210 --> 00:07:51.280
  • OF MY SOPHOMORE YEAR,
  • 00:07:51.280 --> 00:07:53.070
  • I REALIZED THAT ALL OF
  • 00:07:53.070 --> 00:07:55.090
  • THAT WAS JUST NOT FILLING UP THE
  • 00:07:55.090 --> 00:07:57.090
  • HOLE IN MY HEART,
  • 00:07:57.090 --> 00:07:58.290
  • AND MY ROOMMATE CAME
  • 00:07:58.290 --> 00:08:00.070
  • HOME ONE MORNING,
  • 00:08:00.070 --> 00:08:01.180
  • AND SHE THREW THE SCHOOL
  • 00:08:01.180 --> 00:08:02.220
  • NEWSPAPER, "THE ALLIGATOR," ON
  • 00:08:02.220 --> 00:08:04.120
  • MY BED.
  • 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:05.020
  • SHE SAID, "YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE
  • 00:08:05.020 --> 00:08:05.240
  • A LOOK AT THIS."
  • 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:06.150
  • SO THERE WAS A PICTURE
  • 00:08:06.150 --> 00:08:07.190
  • OF ME ON THE FRONT PAGE
  • 00:08:07.190 --> 00:08:08.230
  • IN ONE OF THOSE MINI ACTIVITIES.
  • 00:08:08.230 --> 00:08:10.140
  • IT WASN'T A BAD PICTURE, BUT IT
  • 00:08:10.140 --> 00:08:11.210
  • WAS JUST A PICTURE OF THIS VAIN,
  • 00:08:11.210 --> 00:08:13.140
  • SELFISH, SHALLOW GIRL, AND I
  • 00:08:13.140 --> 00:08:16.080
  • DIDN'T WANNA BE HER, BUT I
  • 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:17.260
  • DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE.
  • 00:08:17.260 --> 00:08:20.250
  • SO I GOT DOWN ON MY KNEES, AND I
  • 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:21.170
  • REALLY DIDN'T HARDLY KNOW HOW TO
  • 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:22.200
  • PRAY, BUT I DID MY BEST, AND I
  • 00:08:22.200 --> 00:08:24.260
  • JUST SAID, "LORD, HELP.
  • 00:08:24.260 --> 00:08:27.170
  • I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE
  • 00:08:27.170 --> 00:08:28.140
  • MYSELF.
  • 00:08:28.140 --> 00:08:29.030
  • I DON'T WANNA BE THIS GIRL, BUT
  • 00:08:29.030 --> 00:08:29.270
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO."
  • 00:08:29.270 --> 00:08:31.040
  • AND IN A FEW MINUTES,
  • 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.000
  • MY DOOR OPENED,
  • 00:08:35.050 --> 00:08:38.050
  • AND THERE WERE TWO GIRLS THERE
  • 00:08:38.050 --> 00:08:39.010
  • THAT INVITED ME TO A BIBLE STUDY
  • 00:08:39.010 --> 00:08:40.000
  • AND--
  • 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.290
  • - ERIC: WHO SAYS PRAYER DOESN'T
  • 00:08:42.290 --> 00:08:43.210
  • WORK?
  • 00:08:43.210 --> 00:08:44.010
  • - PAM: I KNOW, ISN'T THAT
  • 00:08:44.010 --> 00:08:44.200
  • AMAZING?
  • 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.060
  • - ERIC: COME ON.
  • 00:08:45.060 --> 00:08:46.000
  • - PAM: I MEAN, WITHIN A COUPLE
  • 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:46.220
  • MINUTES.
  • 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:47.050
  • AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
  • 00:08:47.050 --> 00:08:48.200
  • THE YEAR BEFORE I ARRIVED AT
  • 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.210
  • FLORIDA, MY HUSBAND CAME, AND HE
  • 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:52.020
  • STARTED A GROUP CALLED CAMPUS
  • 00:08:52.020 --> 00:08:54.230
  • CRUSADE, WHICH THEY NOW CALL
  • 00:08:54.230 --> 00:08:57.190
  • "CRU" ON OUR CAMPUS, AND WITH A
  • 00:08:57.190 --> 00:08:59.230
  • COUPLE OF OTHER GUYS, AND AS A
  • 00:08:59.230 --> 00:09:01.240
  • RESULT OF ALL THE PEOPLE COMING
  • 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.260
  • TO CHRIST, THEY STARTED THAT
  • 00:09:03.260 --> 00:09:04.280
  • BIBLE STUDY,
  • 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:06.230
  • AND THAT WAS THE BIBLE STUDY
  • 00:09:06.230 --> 00:09:07.130
  • THAT THESE GIRLS INVITED ME TO,
  • 00:09:07.130 --> 00:09:08.230
  • AND SO I WENT,
  • 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.000
  • AND I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT EVERY
  • 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.170
  • WEEK, AND I GOT EXCITED ABOUT
  • 00:09:14.170 --> 00:09:16.000
  • WHAT I WAS LEARNING.
  • 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:17.040
  • IT'S ALL SO NEW AND FRESH,
  • 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:18.280
  • AND SO I RETURNED TO MY LITTLE
  • 00:09:18.280 --> 00:09:19.270
  • SORORITY ROOM, AND I SHARED WITH
  • 00:09:19.270 --> 00:09:21.150
  • THE GIRLS IN MY SORORITY HOUSE
  • 00:09:21.150 --> 00:09:23.030
  • WHAT I WAS LEARNING,
  • 00:09:23.030 --> 00:09:24.020
  • AND THEY GOT EXCITED TOO,
  • 00:09:24.020 --> 00:09:26.080
  • AND THE SAME THING WENT ON,
  • 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:27.150
  • WEEK AFTER WEEK,
  • 00:09:27.150 --> 00:09:29.020
  • AND I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST
  • 00:09:29.020 --> 00:09:30.070
  • TIME I REALLY SAW THE IMPORTANCE
  • 00:09:30.070 --> 00:09:32.080
  • OF HAVING INFLUENCE BECAUSE,
  • 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.260
  • FOR THE FIRST TIME,
  • 00:09:34.260 --> 00:09:36.210
  • MY LIFE COUNTED BECAUSE
  • 00:09:36.210 --> 00:09:37.090
  • I WAS IMPACTING THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:39.160
  • AS GOD WAS IMPACTING MINE,
  • 00:09:39.160 --> 00:09:40.050
  • I WAS HAVING THE CHANCE
  • 00:09:40.050 --> 00:09:42.050
  • TO INFLUENCE THEM,
  • 00:09:42.050 --> 00:09:43.130
  • AND I NEVER WANTED TO
  • 00:09:43.130 --> 00:09:45.140
  • RETURN TO MY OLD WAY OF LIFE.
  • 00:09:45.140 --> 00:09:48.070
  • IT WAS SO EXCITING FOR ME.
  • 00:09:48.070 --> 00:09:49.050
  • - ERIC: THIS IS AMAZING.
  • 00:09:49.050 --> 00:09:49.240
  • NOW, WHEN DID YOU MARRY?
  • 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.010
  • - PAM: WELL, WE GOT MARRIED
  • 00:09:51.040 --> 00:09:54.040
  • AFTER WE GRADUATED.
  • 00:09:54.040 --> 00:09:55.080
  • NOW, IT TOOK A WHILE.
  • 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.050
  • HE, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO KEEP
  • 00:09:56.150 --> 00:09:59.150
  • ASKING ME OUT, BUT I DIDN'T
  • 00:09:59.150 --> 00:10:00.120
  • WANNA GO OUT WITH HIM.
  • 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.000
  • I JUST WANTED TO BE FRIENDS,
  • 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:02.270
  • BUT EVENTUALLY I GAVE IN.
  • 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:06.060
  • - ERIC: YOU GAVE IN?
  • 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:07.190
  • I HOPE YOU'RE STILL FRIENDS.
  • 00:10:07.190 --> 00:10:09.080
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.000
  • SO YOU'RE MARRIED, AND YOUR
  • 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:11.200
  • HUSBAND TAKES A TRIP--
  • 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:12.160
  • HE'S A PASTOR--
  • 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:13.050
  • TO THE PHILIPPINES,
  • 00:10:13.050 --> 00:10:14.190
  • A MISSIONS TRIP.
  • 00:10:14.190 --> 00:10:15.250
  • - PAM: RIGHT, AND HE LEADS SO
  • 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:17.150
  • MANY PEOPLE TO CHRIST, AND HE
  • 00:10:17.150 --> 00:10:19.070
  • WAS ABLE TO PLANT A COUPLE OF
  • 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:20.070
  • CHURCHES.
  • 00:10:20.070 --> 00:10:21.220
  • AND HE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT
  • 00:10:21.220 --> 00:10:23.200
  • ALL, BUT HE RETURNED HOME AND
  • 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.110
  • THEN WENT RIGHT BACK TO
  • 00:10:25.110 --> 00:10:26.270
  • PREPARING FOR A SERMON THE NEXT
  • 00:10:26.270 --> 00:10:29.080
  • SUNDAY.
  • 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.050
  • AND HE WAS ON A TRIP TO ANOTHER
  • 00:10:31.050 --> 00:10:33.020
  • STATE TO SPEAK, AND GOD CLEARLY
  • 00:10:33.020 --> 00:10:35.180
  • CALLED HIM.
  • 00:10:35.180 --> 00:10:36.150
  • AS HE SAYS, IT WAS A LOUD
  • 00:10:36.150 --> 00:10:38.170
  • INAUDIBLE VOICE TO TELL HIM THAT
  • 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:41.250
  • HE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE
  • 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:43.120
  • PHILIPPINES AS A MISSIONARY, AND
  • 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:44.040
  • IT WAS VERY CLEAR,
  • 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:47.190
  • AND MY HUSBAND--
  • 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:48.040
  • - ERIC: SO NOT AN AUDIBLE
  • 00:10:48.040 --> 00:10:48.230
  • VOICE--
  • 00:10:48.230 --> 00:10:49.230
  • - PAM: INAUDIBLE, BUT HE CALLS
  • 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:50.150
  • IT "LOUD."
  • 00:10:50.150 --> 00:10:51.220
  • - ERIC: -- BUT LOUD.
  • 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:52.150
  • - PAM: HE COULDN'T HAVE MISSED
  • 00:10:52.150 --> 00:10:54.130
  • IT, IN OTHER WORDS, AND TRUE TO
  • 00:10:54.130 --> 00:10:56.120
  • HIS BOLD CHARACTER, HE SAID,
  • 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.020
  • "I'LL GO, I'LL GO,"
  • 00:10:58.020 --> 00:10:59.260
  • JUST IMMEDIATELY,
  • 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:00.200
  • AND, OF COURSE, I DIDN'T SAY,
  • 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.120
  • "I'LL GO, I'LL GO."
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.160
  • I SAID, "BUT, LORD, WHAT ABOUT
  • 00:11:03.160 --> 00:11:05.010
  • MY FOUR KIDS?"
  • 00:11:05.010 --> 00:11:06.170
  • AND "WHAT ABOUT SELLING OUR
  • 00:11:06.170 --> 00:11:08.050
  • HOME?"
  • 00:11:08.050 --> 00:11:08.230
  • AND THEN I'D BEEN MEMORIZING A
  • 00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:10.150
  • VERSE: "OH, LORD GOD, BEHOLD,
  • 00:11:10.150 --> 00:11:13.150
  • YOU'VE MADE THE HEAVENS AND THE
  • 00:11:13.150 --> 00:11:14.210
  • EARTH BY YOUR GREAT POWER AND BY
  • 00:11:14.210 --> 00:11:16.200
  • YOUR OUTSTRETCHED ARMS.
  • 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:17.240
  • NOTHING IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR
  • 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:18.250
  • AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AND IT
  • 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:22.210
  • KEPT GOING AROUND AND AROUND IN
  • 00:11:22.210 --> 00:11:24.260
  • MY MIND, AND I THOUGHT, "IF GOD
  • 00:11:24.260 --> 00:11:27.010
  • CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE
  • 00:11:27.010 --> 00:11:27.210
  • EARTH, HE COULD TAKE CARE OF OUR
  • 00:11:27.210 --> 00:11:29.100
  • - ERIC: THAT USUALLY-- RIGHT?
  • 00:11:32.070 --> 00:11:32.280
  • ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS THINK
  • 00:11:32.280 --> 00:11:33.180
  • ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT GOD
  • 00:11:33.180 --> 00:11:34.100
  • HAS DONE.
  • 00:11:34.100 --> 00:11:34.210
  • YOU THINK, "I THINK HE COULD
  • 00:11:34.210 --> 00:11:35.110
  • PROBABLY HANDLE THIS."
  • 00:11:35.110 --> 00:11:35.280
  • - PAM: HE COULD HANDLE IT.
  • 00:11:35.280 --> 00:11:36.180
  • - ERIC: SO YOU GO TO THE
  • 00:11:36.180 --> 00:11:37.160
  • MISSION FIELD.
  • 00:11:37.160 --> 00:11:40.160
  • YOU HAVE FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN.
  • 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:41.210
  • - PAM: AND IT WAS A VERY
  • 00:11:41.210 --> 00:11:42.220
  • TURBULENT TIME IN THE
  • 00:11:42.220 --> 00:11:43.250
  • PHILIPPINES, A LOT OF POLITICAL
  • 00:11:43.250 --> 00:11:44.290
  • CHAOS.
  • 00:11:44.290 --> 00:11:46.230
  • - ERIC: SO YOU'RE TELLING ME
  • 00:11:46.230 --> 00:11:47.140
  • YOU'RE IN AN INCREDIBLY REMOTE
  • 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:49.010
  • AREA OF THE PHILIPPINES, YOU
  • 00:11:49.010 --> 00:11:50.220
  • HAVE FOUR LITTLE KIDS, AND YOUR
  • 00:11:50.220 --> 00:11:51.140
  • HUSBAND IS EVEN IN A MORE REMOTE
  • 00:11:51.140 --> 00:11:54.030
  • AREA, AND HE BEGINS WEEPING,
  • 00:11:54.030 --> 00:11:55.210
  • SOMEHOW, JUST FOR THE ABORTIONS
  • 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.120
  • THAT ARE HAPPENING?
  • 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.170
  • - PAM: HE WAS.
  • 00:12:01.170 --> 00:12:02.280
  • IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT,
  • 00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:04.000
  • THAT HE PRAYED, AND HE SAID,
  • 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:05.260
  • "LORD, IF YOU GIVE US A SON,
  • 00:12:05.260 --> 00:12:07.060
  • WE'LL NAME HIM TIMOTHY,"
  • 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:10.100
  • WHICH MEANS "HONORING GOD,"
  • 00:12:10.100 --> 00:12:11.100
  • "AND WE'LL RAISE HIM
  • 00:12:11.100 --> 00:12:12.200
  • TO BE A PREACHER."
  • 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.070
  • ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?
  • 00:12:14.070 --> 00:12:14.250
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:12:14.250 --> 00:12:16.240
  • - PAM: SO HE CAME HOME.
  • 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:17.120
  • - ERIC: THAT'S VERY
  • 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:17.280
  • INTERESTING.
  • 00:12:17.280 --> 00:12:18.100
  • - PAM: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:12:18.100 --> 00:12:18.270
  • HE CAME HOME AND TOLD OUR FOUR
  • 00:12:18.270 --> 00:12:19.200
  • LITTLE KIDS,
  • 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:20.060
  • AND THEY GOT VERY EXCITED,
  • 00:12:20.060 --> 00:12:22.030
  • IMMEDIATELY PRAYING FOR THEIR
  • 00:12:22.030 --> 00:12:23.150
  • LITTLE BROTHER NAMED TIMMY.
  • 00:12:23.150 --> 00:12:25.260
  • TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE TO BE ON
  • 00:12:25.260 --> 00:12:27.040
  • BOARD THOUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:27.040 --> 00:12:28.100
  • I WAS OLDER.
  • 00:12:28.100 --> 00:12:29.060
  • I HAD HAD AMOEBIC DYSENTERY THE
  • 00:12:29.150 --> 00:12:32.150
  • YEAR BEFORE AND ALMOST DIED--
  • 00:12:32.150 --> 00:12:33.220
  • THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY--
  • 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:35.250
  • BECAUSE THE MEDICAL CONDITIONS
  • 00:12:35.250 --> 00:12:37.030
  • WEREN'T GOOD, AND, YET, YOU
  • 00:12:37.030 --> 00:12:39.130
  • KNOW, I PRAYED ALONG WITH THEM,
  • 00:12:39.130 --> 00:12:40.090
  • AND GOD ANSWERED OUR PRAYERS
  • 00:12:40.090 --> 00:12:41.170
  • QUICKLY, SO I WAS PREGNANT WITH
  • 00:12:41.170 --> 00:12:42.090
  • TIMMY.
  • 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:44.190
  • - ERIC: SO YOU BECAME PREGNANT
  • 00:12:44.190 --> 00:12:45.110
  • AFTER THESE PRAYERS?
  • 00:12:45.110 --> 00:12:45.270
  • - PAM: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:45.270 --> 00:12:46.170
  • - ERIC: SEE, THAT IS EVEN MORE
  • 00:12:46.170 --> 00:12:47.190
  • KOOKY.
  • 00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:48.290
  • I LOVE THIS.
  • 00:12:48.290 --> 00:12:51.140
  • OKAY, SO, AT THAT TIME, NOW, HOW
  • 00:12:51.140 --> 00:12:53.230
  • DID THE PREGNANCY GO?
  • 00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:56.000
  • - PAM: WELL, IT WAS DIFFICULT.
  • 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.280
  • FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IT WAS
  • 00:12:57.280 --> 00:12:59.000
  • A VERY DIFFICULT PREGNANCY, AND
  • 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.020
  • I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS,
  • 00:13:01.020 --> 00:13:02.200
  • BUT IT WAS DIFFICULT, AND WE
  • 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:03.180
  • WENT TO "THE BEST," QUOTE,
  • 00:13:03.180 --> 00:13:04.200
  • DOCTOR IN TOWN, AND SHE DID SOME
  • 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.170
  • TESTS AND SAID THAT I NEEDED TO
  • 00:13:08.010 --> 00:13:11.010
  • ABORT AND ABORT IMMEDIATELY
  • 00:13:11.010 --> 00:13:13.030
  • BECAUSE HE WASN'T REALLY A BABY.
  • 00:13:13.030 --> 00:13:14.140
  • HE WAS MASS OF FETAL TISSUE, AND
  • 00:13:14.140 --> 00:13:15.060
  • I WOULD DIE IF I PROCEEDED WITH
  • 00:13:15.060 --> 00:13:16.220
  • THE PREGNANCY.
  • 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.000
  • - ERIC: THIS IS WHERE FAITH
  • 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:21.210
  • LIVES.
  • 00:13:21.210 --> 00:13:22.110
  • HERE'S A MOMENT WHERE MAYBE
  • 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:23.010
  • COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU,
  • 00:13:23.010 --> 00:13:23.250
  • "I DON'T WANNA DIE,"
  • 00:13:23.250 --> 00:13:24.270
  • AND YOUR HUSBAND SAYS,
  • 00:13:24.270 --> 00:13:26.070
  • "I DON'T WANT MY WIFE TO DIE,
  • 00:13:26.070 --> 00:13:27.170
  • AND I'VE GOT THESE FOUR KIDS,"
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:28.190
  • AND SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA
  • 00:13:28.190 --> 00:13:30.170
  • DO THINGS YOU DON'T WANNA DO,
  • 00:13:30.170 --> 00:13:31.150
  • BUT YOU SAID, "WELL, WE HAVE TO
  • 00:13:31.150 --> 00:13:32.230
  • TRUST GOD."
  • 00:13:32.230 --> 00:13:34.290
  • I MEAN, THAT'S RADICAL FAITH
  • 00:13:34.290 --> 00:13:36.040
  • BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE
  • 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:38.020
  • OUTCOME.
  • 00:13:38.020 --> 00:13:38.200
  • YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:39.200
  • - PAM: WE DIDN'T KNOW THE
  • 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.250
  • OUTCOME.
  • 00:13:40.250 --> 00:13:41.090
  • - ERIC: WELL, THERE ARE A
  • 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:42.140
  • COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM,
  • 00:13:42.140 --> 00:13:43.270
  • ALONE, WHO ARE KIND OF GLAD THAT
  • 00:13:43.270 --> 00:13:45.110
  • YOU HAD THE KIND OF FAITH YOU
  • 00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:47.220
  • DID BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:50.040
  • LISTENING RIGHT NOW WOULD SAY,
  • 00:13:50.040 --> 00:13:51.140
  • "WELL, IF I WAS IN THOSE SHOES,
  • 00:13:51.140 --> 00:13:52.080
  • OH, I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:52.240
  • I DON'T KNOW."
  • 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:53.140
  • YOU KNEW.
  • 00:13:53.140 --> 00:13:54.140
  • - PAM: WELL, WE HAD A LITTLE
  • 00:13:54.140 --> 00:13:55.270
  • BIT OF FAITH IN A BIG GOD.
  • 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:57.020
  • YOU KNOW, I THINK WE BELIEVED IN
  • 00:13:57.020 --> 00:13:58.230
  • A BIG GOD.
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:13:59.120
  • I DON'T KNOW THAT MY FAITH WAS,
  • 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.030
  • YOU KNOW, MORE INCREDIBLE THAN
  • 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:04.070
  • ANYONE ELSE'S.
  • 00:14:04.070 --> 00:14:05.290
  • I JUST KNEW GOD WAS BIG AND THAT
  • 00:14:05.290 --> 00:14:07.000
  • HE SOMEHOW COULD HANDLE OUR
  • 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.010
  • SITUATION.
  • 00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:09.180
  • HE ALLOWED IT.
  • 00:14:09.180 --> 00:14:11.150
  • HE BROUGHT US THERE.
  • 00:14:11.150 --> 00:14:12.130
  • HE KNEW I WAS PREGNANT.
  • 00:14:12.130 --> 00:14:14.000
  • HE ANSWERED OUR PRAYERS.
  • 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.160
  • - ERIC: DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR
  • 00:14:15.160 --> 00:14:17.130
  • FAITHFULNESS THROUGH THIS
  • 00:14:17.130 --> 00:14:18.150
  • JOURNEY-- I MEAN, YOU KNEW THE
  • 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:19.290
  • LORD WAS WITH YOU, BUT YOU MUST
  • 00:14:19.290 --> 00:14:21.020
  • HAVE KNOWN THAT HE ALLOWED ALL
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:22.260
  • THIS FOR SOME PURPOSE?
  • 00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:24.080
  • - PAM: I DO BELIEVE THAT, AND
  • 00:14:25.160 --> 00:14:28.160
  • WHEN I WOULD SPEAK EARLY ON, I
  • 00:14:28.210 --> 00:14:31.210
  • WOULD SHARE HOW THAT'S PART OF
  • 00:14:31.210 --> 00:14:33.220
  • HOW MY FAITH GREW, THAT GOD TOOK
  • 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:34.150
  • CARE OF TIMMY AND THE REST OF
  • 00:14:34.150 --> 00:14:36.150
  • OUR FAMILY ON THE MISSION FIELD,
  • 00:14:36.150 --> 00:14:38.230
  • ET CETERA, AND THROUGH SO MANY
  • 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:39.140
  • ADVENTURES, BUT THEN OUR STORY
  • 00:14:39.140 --> 00:14:40.240
  • WAS AIRED PUBLICLY WHEN TIMMY
  • 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.030
  • WAS A CANDIDATE FOR THE HEISMAN
  • 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:45.020
  • IN 2007.
  • 00:14:45.140 --> 00:14:48.140
  • - ERIC: NOW, I HAVE TO ASK YOU
  • 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:49.070
  • A QUESTION 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL--
  • 00:14:49.070 --> 00:14:50.170
  • WE'RE NOT BETTING PEOPLE HERE,
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:52.120
  • BUT WE WERE ALL TAKING BETS.
  • 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.010
  • WE KNOW THAT THE BIRTH OF YOUR
  • 00:14:54.010 --> 00:14:55.280
  • SON, IT WAS ALL MIRACULOUS, BUT
  • 00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:57.120
  • WAS HE BORN WITH JOHN 3:16 ON
  • 00:14:58.010 --> 00:15:01.030
  • HIS EYELIDS, OR WAS THAT
  • 00:15:01.030 --> 00:15:02.290
  • SOMETHING THAT HE DID LATER?
  • 00:15:02.290 --> 00:15:04.050
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:04.050 --> 00:15:05.240
  • SO THAT WAS MAN-MADE?
  • 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.180
  • - PAM: THAT WAS MAN-MADE.
  • 00:15:07.180 --> 00:15:09.140
  • - ERIC: YOU OWE ME FIVE BUCKS,
  • 00:15:09.140 --> 00:15:10.060
  • ALBIN.
  • 00:15:10.060 --> 00:15:11.060
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:11.060 --> 00:15:11.260
  • ALL RIGHT, THIS IS SUCH A HAPPY
  • 00:15:11.260 --> 00:15:12.180
  • STORY.
  • 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:12.290
  • SO YOU RAISE HIM.
  • 00:15:12.290 --> 00:15:14.030
  • HE WINS THE HEISMAN.
  • 00:15:14.030 --> 00:15:16.200
  • I MEAN, HE DOESN'T JUST-- HE'S
  • 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.110
  • NOT JUST A GREAT FOOTBALL
  • 00:15:17.110 --> 00:15:18.110
  • PLAYER.
  • 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:18.280
  • HE WINS THE HEISMAN TROPHY, AND
  • 00:15:18.280 --> 00:15:19.230
  • IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, SOMEHOW
  • 00:15:19.230 --> 00:15:20.250
  • GOD ARRANGES IT, BUT I FIND IT
  • 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:22.170
  • INTERESTING THAT YOU DIDN'T
  • 00:15:22.170 --> 00:15:23.210
  • ARRANGE IT OR YOU DIDN'T PUSH
  • 00:15:23.210 --> 00:15:25.130
  • EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU
  • 00:15:25.130 --> 00:15:27.130
  • WOULD'VE IF THE LORD ASKED YOU
  • 00:15:27.130 --> 00:15:29.060
  • TO, BUT YOU JUST KIND OF SIT
  • 00:15:29.060 --> 00:15:29.260
  • THERE AND SEE WHAT GOD DOES.
  • 00:15:29.260 --> 00:15:31.080
  • - PAM: SO GOD PLANNED THAT FOR
  • 00:15:34.190 --> 00:15:35.230
  • US BECAUSE HE GAVE US THAT STORY
  • 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.020
  • THAT WE COULD TELL, AND THEN, A
  • 00:15:37.020 --> 00:15:38.140
  • COUPLE YEARS LATER, WE DID THAT
  • 00:15:38.140 --> 00:15:39.060
  • - ERIC: OH, MAN.
  • 00:15:41.190 --> 00:15:42.050
  • - PAM: -- WE WARNED TIMMY.
  • 00:15:42.050 --> 00:15:42.250
  • WE SAID, "HONEY, IF YOU TAKE
  • 00:15:42.250 --> 00:15:43.160
  • THIS COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO
  • 00:15:43.160 --> 00:15:46.160
  • COUNT THE COST BECAUSE THERE IS
  • 00:15:46.160 --> 00:15:48.230
  • A COST WHEN YOU STAND FOR LIFE.
  • 00:15:48.230 --> 00:15:50.050
  • BARNA DID A SURVEY FOLLOWING
  • 00:15:50.050 --> 00:15:52.160
  • THAT COMMERCIAL, AND THEY FOUND
  • 00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:53.180
  • THAT OVER 5.5 MILLION PEOPLE
  • 00:15:53.180 --> 00:15:55.090
  • SAID THEY HAD CAUSE TO RETHINK
  • 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:57.100
  • THEIR STAND ON ABORTION.
  • 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:58.200
  • ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
  • 00:15:58.200 --> 00:15:59.290
  • - ERIC: WELL, I SURE WISH WE
  • 00:15:59.290 --> 00:16:01.020
  • HAD MORE TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE
  • 00:16:01.020 --> 00:16:02.230
  • MORE TIME, BUT IT'S GREAT TO GET
  • 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:03.150
  • TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT.
  • 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:05.290
  • I ALWAYS LOVE-- THIS IS ONE OF
  • 00:16:05.290 --> 00:16:07.290
  • THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT BEING IN
  • 00:16:07.290 --> 00:16:08.210
  • NEW YORK: PEOPLE COME TO NEW
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:10.000
  • YORK, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE
  • 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.020
  • DOING MEDIA.
  • 00:16:11.020 --> 00:16:12.000
  • I ASSUME YOU'RE DOING OTHER
  • 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.200
  • THINGS, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING
  • 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.040
  • HERE TO OUR HUMBLE STUDIO, AND
  • 00:16:18.260 --> 00:16:21.260
  • GOD BLESS YOU AND--
  • 00:16:21.260 --> 00:16:22.120
  • - PAM: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.040
  • - ERIC: -- GOD BLESS THIS BOOK.
  • 00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:23.260
  • MAY THE BOOK HAVE A RIPPLE
  • 00:16:23.260 --> 00:16:25.020
  • EFFECT.
  • 00:16:25.020 --> 00:16:25.210
  • THANK YOU, PAM.
  • 00:16:25.210 --> 00:16:27.000
  • - ERIC: I AM SO EXCITED.
  • 00:16:37.050 --> 00:16:37.240
  • RIGHT NOW, I'M SITTING HERE IN
  • 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.150
  • THE STUDIO WITH JEREMY AND
  • 00:16:38.150 --> 00:16:39.050
  • AUDREY ROLOFF.
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:41.250
  • SOME OF YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO
  • 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:42.260
  • THEY ARE, AND IF YOU DON'T,
  • 00:16:42.260 --> 00:16:45.060
  • YOU'LL FIND OUT NOW 'CAUSE HERE
  • 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:45.280
  • THEY ARE.
  • 00:16:45.280 --> 00:16:47.280
  • WELCOME.
  • 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:48.200
  • - JEREMY ROLOFF: YEAH, THANKS
  • 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:49.110
  • FOR HAVIN' US.
  • 00:16:49.110 --> 00:16:49.240
  • - AUDREY ROLOFF: THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:50.160
  • HAVING US.
  • 00:16:50.160 --> 00:16:50.270
  • - ERIC: THRILLED TO HAVE YOU.
  • 00:16:50.270 --> 00:16:52.050
  • YOU HAVE A STRANGE, INTERESTING,
  • 00:16:52.050 --> 00:16:52.280
  • FASCINATING STORY, AND I WANNA
  • 00:16:52.280 --> 00:16:54.050
  • LEAP IN.
  • 00:16:54.050 --> 00:16:55.270
  • SO THE SHOW ABOUT LITTLE PEOPLE,
  • 00:16:55.270 --> 00:16:57.000
  • HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN THAT SHOW
  • 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:57.270
  • STARTED?
  • 00:16:57.270 --> 00:16:59.250
  • - JEREMY: YES, SO I WAS 13, I
  • 00:16:59.250 --> 00:17:02.000
  • THINK, THE YEAR IT STARTED.
  • 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:02.210
  • - ERIC: AND YOU HAVE A TWIN?
  • 00:17:02.210 --> 00:17:03.120
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, AND I GOT A
  • 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.030
  • TWIN SO--
  • 00:17:04.030 --> 00:17:04.260
  • - ERIC: WERE YOU NOT GONNA
  • 00:17:04.260 --> 00:17:05.160
  • MENTION THAT?
  • 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.160
  • THIS IS, TO ME--
  • 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:07.230
  • - JEREMY: I HAVE A TWIN.
  • 00:17:07.230 --> 00:17:08.120
  • WE'RE 29 NOW, SO IT'S BEEN A
  • 00:17:08.120 --> 00:17:09.020
  • LONG TIME.
  • 00:17:09.020 --> 00:17:09.130
  • THE SHOW'S STILL RUNNING, SO
  • 00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:10.190
  • IT'S BEEN QUITE A LONG SERIES.
  • 00:17:10.190 --> 00:17:11.200
  • - ERIC: OKAY, THE SHOW'S STILL
  • 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:12.180
  • RUNNING, BUT YOU ARE NOT IN IT?
  • 00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:13.100
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, WE STEPPED AWAY
  • 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:14.170
  • - ERIC: FOR MENTAL HEALTH?
  • 00:17:17.060 --> 00:17:17.260
  • WHY?
  • 00:17:17.260 --> 00:17:18.260
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, I JUST-- YOU
  • 00:17:18.260 --> 00:17:19.240
  • KNOW, 15 YEARS DOING ANYTHING IS
  • 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.140
  • A VERY LONG TIME, AND WE JUST
  • 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:23.050
  • I FELT THIS NUDGE IN MY HEART,
  • 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:26.070
  • LIKE, "MAN, HOW MUCH LONGER DO I
  • 00:17:26.070 --> 00:17:26.290
  • WANNA BE DOING THIS?"
  • 00:17:26.290 --> 00:17:27.260
  • I THINK THERE'S-- I'M STILL
  • 00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:29.060
  • YOUNG, RIGHT?
  • 00:17:29.060 --> 00:17:30.200
  • AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER
  • 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:31.260
  • THINGS I'D LIKE TO DO WITH MY
  • 00:17:31.260 --> 00:17:32.270
  • LIFE, AND I KEPT HAVING THIS
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:34.050
  • NUDGE, AND THEN MARRIAGE WAS
  • 00:17:34.050 --> 00:17:35.260
  • KIND OF THE CATAPULT UNTIL,
  • 00:17:35.260 --> 00:17:37.240
  • LIKE, "WHAT IS THAT OTHER THING
  • 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:38.160
  • GONNA BE?"
  • 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:38.270
  • AND SO WE JUST DECIDED TWO YEARS
  • 00:17:38.270 --> 00:17:40.030
  • AGO, "HEY, IT'S TIME TO STEP
  • 00:17:40.030 --> 00:17:41.190
  • AWAY AND PRESS INTO SOME OTHER
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.240
  • OPPORTUNITIES."
  • 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:45.090
  • - ERIC: SO YOU'VE BEEN MARRIED
  • 00:17:45.090 --> 00:17:46.010
  • HOW MANY EARS?
  • 00:17:46.010 --> 00:17:46.140
  • - JEREMY: COMIN' UP ON FIVE
  • 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:47.040
  • YEARS.
  • 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:47.130
  • - ERIC: FIVE YEARS, OKAY.
  • 00:17:47.130 --> 00:17:48.020
  • AND THE REASON YOU'RE HERE IS
  • 00:17:48.020 --> 00:17:48.240
  • YOU'VE WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED "A
  • 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:49.160
  • LOVE LETTER LIFE."
  • 00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:52.190
  • IT'S "A LOVE LETTER LIFE,"
  • 00:17:52.190 --> 00:17:53.080
  • SO IT'S A LIFE THAT'S LIKE
  • 00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:54.070
  • A LOVE LETTER, AND IT SAYS,
  • 00:17:54.070 --> 00:17:56.010
  • "PURSUE CREATIVELY,
  • 00:17:56.010 --> 00:17:57.250
  • DATE INTENTIONALLY,
  • 00:17:57.250 --> 00:17:59.260
  • LOVE FAITHFULLY."
  • 00:18:00.020 --> 00:18:03.020
  • WHAT WAS IT THAT MADE YOU
  • 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.000
  • WRITE A BOOK ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:07.180
  • RELATIONSHIP,
  • 00:18:07.180 --> 00:18:09.120
  • "A LOVE LETTER LIFE"?
  • 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:11.020
  • AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COVER.
  • 00:18:11.020 --> 00:18:12.000
  • I CAN SHOW IT TO THOSE WHO ARE
  • 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.290
  • LISTENING, I MEAN, WHO ARE
  • 00:18:13.290 --> 00:18:14.180
  • WATCHING,
  • 00:18:14.180 --> 00:18:15.230
  • BUT IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:16.260
  • THE TWO OF YOU, YOU'RE AN
  • 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:18.030
  • ATTRACTIVE, YOUNG COUPLE.
  • 00:18:18.030 --> 00:18:19.210
  • YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE EACH OTHER,
  • 00:18:19.210 --> 00:18:22.050
  • AND I JUST WANNA HEAR WHAT MADE
  • 00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:24.110
  • YOU WRITE THE BOOK.
  • 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:25.140
  • WHAT MADE YOU DO THAT?
  • 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:26.100
  • - AUDREY: SO MUCH OF OUR STORY,
  • 00:18:26.100 --> 00:18:29.050
  • YOU KNOW, WE DID THREE YEARS
  • 00:18:29.050 --> 00:18:30.030
  • LONG DISTANCE WHEN WE WERE
  • 00:18:30.030 --> 00:18:30.220
  • DATING, AND JEREMY WROTE ME
  • 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:31.250
  • LETTERS, HAND-TYPED ON A
  • 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:32.130
  • TYPEWRITER, AND WOULD MAIL THEM
  • 00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:33.090
  • TO ME, AND SO--
  • 00:18:33.090 --> 00:18:33.240
  • - ERIC: THAT'S LIKE AMISH
  • 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:34.260
  • COUNTRY.
  • 00:18:34.260 --> 00:18:35.160
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:36.020
  • - JEREMY: IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
  • 00:18:36.020 --> 00:18:36.280
  • - ERIC: HAND-TYPED ON A--
  • 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:37.250
  • - AUDREY: AND SO WE KIND OF
  • 00:18:37.250 --> 00:18:38.200
  • DECIDED, WHEN WE WERE DATING,
  • 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.250
  • THAT WE WANTED A LOVE STORY THAT
  • 00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:41.130
  • WASN'T JUST FOUNDED ON TEXT
  • 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:43.180
  • MESSAGES AND SKYPE DATES.
  • 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:44.220
  • WE WANTED MORE THAN THAT.
  • 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.110
  • WE WANTED TO BE MORE CREATIVE,
  • 00:18:45.110 --> 00:18:46.220
  • MORE INTENTIONAL, AND
  • 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:48.080
  • ULTIMATELY, BUILD A LOVE STORY
  • 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:49.140
  • THAT'S FAITHFUL, AND SO WE,
  • 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:50.240
  • JEREMY AND I, TRIED TO
  • 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.090
  • CREATIVELY LOVE AND PURSUE EACH
  • 00:18:52.090 --> 00:18:54.070
  • OTHER THROUGH LONG DISTANCE, AND
  • 00:18:54.070 --> 00:18:55.270
  • THEN WE BASICALLY ENDED LONG
  • 00:18:55.270 --> 00:18:57.020
  • DISTANCE ON OUR WEDDING DAY.
  • 00:18:57.020 --> 00:18:59.040
  • WE BOTH GRADUATED SCHOOL LAND
  • 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:00.160
  • THEN GOT MARRIED, AND WE'VE
  • 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:01.150
  • ALWAYS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT
  • 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:02.230
  • WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PASSIONATE
  • 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:06.020
  • ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE PURSUE THE
  • 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:07.150
  • LOVE STORY THAT THEY WOULD WANT
  • 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:08.260
  • TO HAVE READ BACK TO THEM ONE
  • 00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:10.110
  • DAY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:19:10.110 --> 00:19:11.270
  • WE REALLY HOPE THIS BOOK DOES
  • 00:19:11.270 --> 00:19:12.250
  • FOR THE READER, AND ALSO JUST
  • 00:19:12.250 --> 00:19:14.170
  • GIVE THEM PRACTICAL WAYS THAT
  • 00:19:14.170 --> 00:19:15.080
  • DATE INTENTIONALLY, AND LOVE
  • 00:19:18.250 --> 00:19:19.150
  • FAITHFULLY.
  • 00:19:19.150 --> 00:19:19.270
  • - ERIC: OKAY, LET'S BREAK THOSE
  • 00:19:19.270 --> 00:19:20.190
  • DOWN.
  • 00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:20.280
  • IT SAYS, "A LOVE LETTER LIFE:
  • 00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:21.190
  • PURSUE CREATIVELY, DATE
  • 00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:22.190
  • INTENTIONALLY, LOVE FAITHFULLY."
  • 00:19:22.190 --> 00:19:24.010
  • LET'S START WITH "PURSUE
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:24.190
  • CREATIVELY."
  • 00:19:24.190 --> 00:19:25.240
  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
  • 00:19:26.100 --> 00:19:29.100
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, SO "PURSUE
  • 00:19:29.220 --> 00:19:32.220
  • CREATIVELY" IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S--
  • 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:33.230
  • FIRST OF ALL, "PURSUE
  • 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:35.020
  • CREATIVELY, DATE INTENTIONALLY,
  • 00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:36.080
  • LOVE FAITHFULLY," WE BELIEVE
  • 00:19:36.080 --> 00:19:37.140
  • THOSE ARE LIKE THREE VERY CORE
  • 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:38.250
  • PILLARS THAT EVERYONE WOULD LIKE
  • 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:40.130
  • THEIR LOVE STORY TO BE MARKED
  • 00:19:40.130 --> 00:19:42.070
  • BY.
  • 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:42.240
  • LIKE, THEY WANNA BE PURSUED.
  • 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.020
  • THEY WANT THEIR SPOUSE TO BE
  • 00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:44.220
  • INTENTIONAL, THAT THERE HAS TO
  • 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:47.200
  • BE A SENSE OF EFFORT THAT GOES
  • 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.210
  • INTO THINGS, THEN, ULTIMATELY,
  • 00:19:49.210 --> 00:19:50.240
  • THEY WANT TO BE FAITHFUL, RIGHT?
  • 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.130
  • THEY WANT IT TO LAST.
  • 00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:54.090
  • THEY WANT IT TO BE TRUE AND
  • 00:19:54.090 --> 00:19:54.290
  • LONG.
  • 00:19:54.290 --> 00:19:55.230
  • SO THE "PURSUE CREATIVELY" PART
  • 00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:57.040
  • IS, LIKE, HEY, LIKE, THERE ARE--
  • 00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:58.120
  • EVERY SINGLE DAY, THERE'S, YOU
  • 00:19:58.120 --> 00:20:00.130
  • KNOW, 60 MINUTES, AN HOUR, TO
  • 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:04.020
  • 24 HOURS A DAY TO BE CREATIVE IN
  • 00:20:04.150 --> 00:20:07.150
  • HOW YOU'RE PURSUING YOUR SPOUSE,
  • 00:20:07.150 --> 00:20:08.260
  • AND IT CAN LOOK DIFFERENT FOR
  • 00:20:08.260 --> 00:20:10.020
  • EVERY COUPLE BUT-- SO WE TRY TO
  • 00:20:10.020 --> 00:20:10.270
  • GIVE AS MANY EXAMPLES AS WE CAN
  • 00:20:10.270 --> 00:20:13.040
  • THINK OF, AND WE EXPERIENCED, IN
  • 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:14.260
  • THE BOOK ON HOW TO DO THAT AND,
  • 00:20:14.260 --> 00:20:16.220
  • REALLY, JUST IGNITE PEOPLE'S OWN
  • 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:17.240
  • CREATIVITY, LIKE, "HEY, LISTEN,
  • 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.280
  • ARE YOU BEING CREATIVE IN YOUR
  • 00:20:18.280 --> 00:20:19.190
  • LOVE STORY?"
  • 00:20:19.190 --> 00:20:20.240
  • 'CAUSE IT'S CALLING FOR IT, AND
  • 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:22.080
  • WE'RE MADE BY A VERY CREATIVE
  • 00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:24.010
  • GOD, SO LET'S PRESS INTO THAT.
  • 00:20:24.010 --> 00:20:25.090
  • - ERIC: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HOW
  • 00:20:25.090 --> 00:20:26.010
  • DID YOU MEET?
  • 00:20:26.010 --> 00:20:28.050
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, WE MET ON A
  • 00:20:28.050 --> 00:20:30.020
  • BLIND DATE BEFORE--
  • 00:20:30.020 --> 00:20:31.220
  • - AUDREY: YOU CAN READ CHAPTER
  • 00:20:31.220 --> 00:20:32.140
  • ONE.
  • 00:20:32.140 --> 00:20:32.290
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, RIGHT.
  • 00:20:32.290 --> 00:20:33.210
  • WE MET ON A BLIND DATE BEFORE
  • 00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:35.000
  • CHURCH.
  • 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:35.250
  • - ERIC: WAS FAITH EQUALLY
  • 00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:37.080
  • IMPORTANT TO THE TWO OF YOU, OR
  • 00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:38.150
  • WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT CHANGED
  • 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:40.020
  • AS TIME WENT BY?
  • 00:20:40.020 --> 00:20:40.230
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY,
  • 00:20:40.230 --> 00:20:41.270
  • YEAH.
  • 00:20:41.270 --> 00:20:42.110
  • - AUDREY: FROM THE BEGINNING,
  • 00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:43.170
  • YEAH.
  • 00:20:43.170 --> 00:20:44.020
  • I WAS RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:20:44.020 --> 00:20:45.050
  • HOME, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING
  • 00:20:45.050 --> 00:20:46.210
  • THAT-- YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING
  • 00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:48.210
  • FOR A MAN THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY
  • 00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:49.120
  • SHARING THE SAME VALUES AND SAME
  • 00:20:49.120 --> 00:20:51.250
  • FAITH ME AND SO--
  • 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:53.130
  • WE MADE SURE FROM THE GET-GO WE
  • 00:20:56.010 --> 00:20:56.230
  • WERE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
  • 00:20:56.230 --> 00:20:57.150
  • LIKE, WE WANTED TO ALIGN, AND WE
  • 00:20:57.150 --> 00:20:58.140
  • TALK ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS A LOT
  • 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.060
  • IN THE BOOK, BUT, LIKE, WE
  • 00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:01.000
  • WANTED TO ALIGN ON VERY CORE,
  • 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.160
  • DEEP-ROOTED PERSONAL OPINIONS
  • 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.190
  • YOU KNOW, THAT WAY, WE CAN KIND
  • 00:21:08.110 --> 00:21:09.030
  • OF PRESS INTO THOSE AND PURSUE
  • 00:21:09.030 --> 00:21:09.240
  • THOSE.
  • 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:10.030
  • - ERIC: YOU SAID YOU "WANT TO
  • 00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:10.240
  • ALIGN"?
  • 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:11.040
  • - JEREMY: YEAH.
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:11.180
  • - ERIC: YEAH, I WASN'T SURE
  • 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:12.130
  • WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
  • 00:21:12.130 --> 00:21:13.000
  • - JEREMY: YEAH.
  • 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:13.140
  • - ERIC: YOU WANNA ALIGN?
  • 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:14.030
  • I THINK ABOUT THAT IN MY
  • 00:21:14.030 --> 00:21:14.210
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH MY CURRENT
  • 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:15.200
  • WIFE.
  • 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.030
  • I ALWAYS JOKE AROUND-- "MY
  • 00:21:17.030 --> 00:21:17.220
  • CURRENT WIFE."
  • 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:18.070
  • MY ONLY WIFE.
  • 00:21:18.070 --> 00:21:20.000
  • WE'VE BEEN MARRIED ALMOST 23
  • 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:20.290
  • YEARS, BUT MARRIAGE IS HARD
  • 00:21:20.290 --> 00:21:22.190
  • BECAUSE BEING A PERSON IS HARD,
  • 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:24.180
  • AND AS YOU GO THROUGH LIFE WITH
  • 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:26.110
  • ANOTHER PERSON, IF YOU HAVE
  • 00:21:26.110 --> 00:21:27.180
  • THOSE BASICS IN COMMON, IT SORT
  • 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.170
  • OF GIVES YOU A FRAMEWORK WITH
  • 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.160
  • WHICH TO HANDLE THE ISSUES THAT
  • 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:35.080
  • COME UP.
  • 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:36.080
  • - JEREMY: YEAH.
  • 00:21:36.080 --> 00:21:36.220
  • - ERIC: AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE
  • 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:37.200
  • THAT, LIFE IS TOUGH, AND THAT'S
  • 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.270
  • WHY WE HAVE SO MANY DIVORCES AND
  • 00:21:39.270 --> 00:21:40.270
  • STUFF, AND I EVEN SAY TO MY
  • 00:21:40.270 --> 00:21:42.040
  • AUDIENCE, IF YOU ARE YOURSELF
  • 00:21:43.120 --> 00:21:46.120
  • NOT A PERSON OF FAITH, I WOULD
  • 00:21:46.120 --> 00:21:47.170
  • SAY, THE FIRST THING YOU'D LIKE
  • 00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:49.210
  • TO GET SETTLED IS "IS THAT
  • 00:21:49.210 --> 00:21:51.120
  • SOMETHING FOR ME?"
  • 00:21:51.120 --> 00:21:53.040
  • I WOULD SAY IT IS SOMETHING FOR
  • 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:54.070
  • YOU, AND WOULDN'T YOU WANNA BE
  • 00:21:54.070 --> 00:21:55.200
  • WITH SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN
  • 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:56.140
  • MARRIAGE, WHO BELIEVES IN
  • 00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:58.120
  • COMMITMENT TO A RELATIONSHIP,
  • 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:01.180
  • WHO BELIEVES IN BEING SELFLESS
  • 00:22:01.180 --> 00:22:02.280
  • AND LOVING THE OTHER PERSON?
  • 00:22:02.280 --> 00:22:04.220
  • I MEAN, THESE ARE CORE VALUES
  • 00:22:04.220 --> 00:22:05.140
  • THAT HELP EVERY MARRIAGE, AND
  • 00:22:05.140 --> 00:22:08.030
  • SO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
  • 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:09.150
  • YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, IT'S
  • 00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:11.070
  • KIND OF-- OKAY, SO, "PURSUE
  • 00:22:11.070 --> 00:22:12.080
  • CREATIVELY," I DON'T WANNA LEAP
  • 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:13.290
  • TO THE NEXT ONE.
  • 00:22:13.290 --> 00:22:15.220
  • IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT
  • 00:22:15.220 --> 00:22:17.090
  • "PURSUE CREATIVELY" THAT WE
  • 00:22:17.090 --> 00:22:17.290
  • HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON?
  • 00:22:17.290 --> 00:22:19.070
  • - JEREMY: NO, I MEAN, IT'S KIND
  • 00:22:19.070 --> 00:22:19.290
  • OF A-- YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY
  • 00:22:19.290 --> 00:22:21.030
  • GIVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES IN THE
  • 00:22:21.030 --> 00:22:23.100
  • BOOK AND IDEAS ON HOW TO DO
  • 00:22:23.100 --> 00:22:24.280
  • THAT, BUT IT'S A PRETTY BROAD
  • 00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:26.050
  • "YOU DO YOU," YOU KNOW, JUST
  • 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:27.240
  • PRESS INTO BEING CREATIVE.
  • 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.290
  • YOU KNOW, DON'T GET LAZY WITH
  • 00:22:28.290 --> 00:22:30.070
  • IT.
  • 00:22:30.070 --> 00:22:30.240
  • - ERIC: OKAY, "DATE
  • 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:31.100
  • INTENTIONALLY."
  • 00:22:31.100 --> 00:22:33.020
  • I REALLY LIKE THIS ONE.
  • 00:22:33.020 --> 00:22:34.030
  • - AUDREY: SO "DATE
  • 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.020
  • INTENTIONALLY," I MEAN, LIKE
  • 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:38.220
  • JEREMY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE THINK
  • 00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:39.240
  • THAT PEOPLE CAN DATE
  • 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.090
  • INTENTIONALLY WHEREVER YOU'RE AT
  • 00:22:41.090 --> 00:22:42.010
  • IN YOUR LOVE STORY, WHETHER YOU
  • 00:22:42.010 --> 00:22:43.080
  • ARE DATING BY CULTURAL STANDARDS
  • 00:22:43.080 --> 00:22:44.180
  • OF WHAT "DATING" LOOKS LIKE IN
  • 00:22:44.180 --> 00:22:46.220
  • OUR WORLD TODAY OR WHETHER
  • 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:48.160
  • YOU'RE DATING IN MARRIAGE 'CAUSE
  • 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:49.230
  • I STILL THINK OF MYSELF AS
  • 00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:50.220
  • DATING JEREMY, LIKE WE GO ON
  • 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:51.220
  • AND SO TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT
  • 00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:54.140
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, WE
  • 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:55.060
  • TELL LOTS OF STORIES ABOUT OUR
  • 00:22:55.060 --> 00:22:56.200
  • ACTUAL DATING JOURNEY BEFORE
  • 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:57.250
  • MARRIAGE AND HOW WE WERE
  • 00:22:57.250 --> 00:22:59.090
  • INTENTIONAL WITH OUR DATING
  • 00:22:59.090 --> 00:22:59.290
  • RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:22:59.290 --> 00:23:02.200
  • THAT HELPED US PREPARE FOR
  • 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.100
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:04.190
  • - JEREMY: AND IT'S NOT
  • 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:05.070
  • SOMETHIN' TO-- WHAT WE TRY TO
  • 00:23:05.070 --> 00:23:06.160
  • GET PRE-MARRIAGE.
  • 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:07.110
  • WHAT WE TRY TO GET ACROSS IS
  • 00:23:07.110 --> 00:23:08.010
  • IT'S NOT SOMETHIN' TO TREAT
  • 00:23:08.010 --> 00:23:09.000
  • FLIPPANTLY NECESSARILY OR
  • 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.170
  • CARELESSLY LIKE THERE SHOULD BE
  • 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:12.060
  • AN INTENTIONALITY THERE AND
  • 00:23:12.060 --> 00:23:13.110
  • THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS, AND
  • 00:23:13.110 --> 00:23:14.270
  • IT'S NOT TO SAY-- YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:23:14.270 --> 00:23:15.280
  • FEEL LIKE IN CHRISTIAN CIRCLES
  • 00:23:15.280 --> 00:23:17.050
  • THEY CAN, LIKE,
  • 00:23:17.050 --> 00:23:18.090
  • OVER-SPIRITUALIZE DATING, MAKING
  • 00:23:18.090 --> 00:23:19.020
  • IT IN THIS, LIKE, HUGE THING.
  • 00:23:20.140 --> 00:23:23.140
  • IT'S LIKE, "NO, HOW'RE YOU GONNA
  • 00:23:23.140 --> 00:23:24.090
  • GET TO KNOW SOMEONE IF YOU'RE
  • 00:23:24.090 --> 00:23:25.010
  • NOT DATIN' THEM?"
  • 00:23:25.010 --> 00:23:25.210
  • - ERIC: OKAY, AND WHAT DO WE
  • 00:23:25.210 --> 00:23:26.140
  • MEAN BY "LOVE FAITHFULLY"?
  • 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:27.060
  • - JEREMY: YEAH, "LOVE
  • 00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:29.280
  • FAITHFULLY."
  • 00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:30.110
  • SO WE KIND OF ADDRESS THE
  • 00:23:30.110 --> 00:23:31.030
  • IDEA OF, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:31.030 --> 00:23:33.040
  • IF LOVE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN
  • 00:23:33.040 --> 00:23:33.240
  • FALL INTO, WHY CAN'T YOU FALL
  • 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.260
  • OUT OF IT?
  • 00:23:34.260 --> 00:23:36.190
  • I THINK A LOT OF US FAIL TO ASK
  • 00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:37.110
  • OURSELVES THAT QUESTION, AND SO
  • 00:23:37.110 --> 00:23:38.150
  • IF WE CAN FALL OUT OF IT, ARE
  • 00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:40.090
  • THERE BOUNDARIES WE'RE PUTTING
  • 00:23:40.090 --> 00:23:41.270
  • AROUND IT?
  • 00:23:41.270 --> 00:23:42.200
  • HOW ARE WE PROTECTING OUR LOVE?
  • 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:43.170
  • THERE'S GOTTA BE STRATEGY.
  • 00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:44.060
  • I FEEL LIKE EVERY SUCCESSFUL
  • 00:23:44.060 --> 00:23:45.270
  • BUSINESS, SPORTS TEAM,
  • 00:23:45.270 --> 00:23:47.050
  • ORGANIZATION, UNIVERSITY, YOU
  • 00:23:47.050 --> 00:23:49.030
  • NAME IT, THEY ALL HAVE STRATEGY.
  • 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:50.190
  • THEY HAVE GAME PLANS.
  • 00:23:50.190 --> 00:23:51.090
  • THEY'VE GOT PRACTICES.
  • 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.200
  • THEY HAVE A MISSION STATEMENT.
  • 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:55.110
  • THEY'VE GOT A PLAN TO SUCCEED,
  • 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:56.040
  • YET WE'RE NOT DOING THAT IN OUR
  • 00:23:56.040 --> 00:23:57.200
  • MARRIAGES WHICH--
  • 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:58.070
  • - ERIC: WELL, AND THE REASON IS
  • 00:23:58.070 --> 00:23:58.290
  • BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THIS CULTURE
  • 00:23:58.290 --> 00:24:00.180
  • THINK THAT FEELINGS ARE THE
  • 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.090
  • ULTIMATE ARBITER, AND IF
  • 00:24:02.090 --> 00:24:04.040
  • FEELINGS ARE THE ULTIMATE
  • 00:24:04.040 --> 00:24:05.130
  • ARBITER, YOU'RE DEAD.
  • 00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:07.200
  • YOU WILL NEVER-- THERE'S NO
  • 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.100
  • MARRIAGE WHERE THE FEELING
  • 00:24:08.100 --> 00:24:09.040
  • REMAINS THE SAME FOR 40 OR 50
  • 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:10.170
  • YEARS.
  • 00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:12.040
  • IT'S JUST NOT NORMAL, RIGHT?
  • 00:24:12.040 --> 00:24:13.160
  • - JEREMY: BECAUSE
  • 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.050
  • UNFAITHFULNESS IS OFTEN THE
  • 00:24:14.050 --> 00:24:15.220
  • RESULT OF MANY, MANY, MANY
  • 00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.130
  • MICRO, SEEMINGLY INNOCENT,
  • 00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:19.080
  • INSIGNIFICANT DECISIONS BUILT UP
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:21.000
  • OVER MANY YEARS, AND NEXT THING
  • 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.000
  • YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FINDING
  • 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:23.200
  • YOURSELF STANDING SOMEWHERE YOU
  • 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.220
  • NEVER THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE, BUT
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:25.210
  • IT'S BECAUSE INSIGNIFICANT
  • 00:24:25.210 --> 00:24:27.160
  • DECISIONS BUILT THE LADDER, YOU
  • 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:28.290
  • KNOW?
  • 00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:30.080
  • SO PLAN FOR STRATEGY.
  • 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:31.280
  • HAVE THOSE CODES OF CONFLICT AND
  • 00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:33.070
  • DAILY THINGS YOU DO.
  • 00:24:33.070 --> 00:24:34.140
  • AND, AGAIN, WE'RE YOUNG, AND
  • 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.220
  • WE'RE LEARNIN' ALL THIS, BUT WE
  • 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:38.060
  • WANNA BE INTENTIONAL.
  • 00:24:38.060 --> 00:24:38.270
  • - ERIC: BUT, STILL, TO WRITE AT
  • 00:24:38.270 --> 00:24:39.290
  • YOUR YOUNG AGE, TO WRITE A BOOK
  • 00:24:39.290 --> 00:24:42.050
  • ABOUT THIS, IT'S A BIG DEAL THAT
  • 00:24:42.050 --> 00:24:44.100
  • YOU MUST SEE A PROBLEM IN YOUR
  • 00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:47.070
  • GENERATION.
  • 00:24:47.070 --> 00:24:48.190
  • - JEREMY: I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE
  • 00:24:50.270 --> 00:24:52.090
  • LOOKIN' AT THE WRONG STATS,
  • 00:24:52.090 --> 00:24:52.290
  • THERE'S A PROBLEM, AND SO NO
  • 00:24:52.290 --> 00:24:54.130
  • MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT, I THINK
  • 00:24:54.130 --> 00:24:55.080
  • WE NEED MORE PEOPLE BEING
  • 00:24:55.080 --> 00:24:56.120
  • WILLING TO STEP IN AND IN BIG
  • 00:24:56.120 --> 00:24:57.110
  • - ERIC: WELL, THE GOOD THING
  • 00:25:02.260 --> 00:25:03.170
  • ABOUT A CRISIS IS IT GETS
  • 00:25:03.170 --> 00:25:04.060
  • PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, RIGHT?
  • 00:25:04.060 --> 00:25:04.250
  • - JEREMY: IT DOES.
  • 00:25:04.250 --> 00:25:05.110
  • THAT IS TRUE.
  • 00:25:05.110 --> 00:25:05.240
  • - ERIC: SO-CALLED TEACHING
  • 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:06.140
  • OPPORTUNITY, AND I REALLY DO
  • 00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:07.040
  • FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:25:07.040 --> 00:25:07.260
  • CONFUSED, AND IT'S NOT THAT
  • 00:25:07.260 --> 00:25:08.200
  • COMPLICATED, BUT THEY'RE NOT
  • 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:09.100
  • HEARING IT, AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE
  • 00:25:09.100 --> 00:25:11.020
  • A PLATFORM-- I MEAN, THE TWO OF
  • 00:25:11.020 --> 00:25:12.160
  • YOU HAVE A PLATFORM.
  • 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.080
  • OBVIOUSLY, THE PEOPLE GREW UP
  • 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:16.220
  • WITH YOU AND KNOW YOU, AND, YOU
  • 00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:19.040
  • KNOW, THAT HAS VALIDITY.
  • 00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:21.160
  • LISTEN, WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT
  • 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.120
  • WHAT A JOY TO GET TO KNOW THE
  • 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:24.100
  • TWO OF YOU.
  • 00:25:24.100 --> 00:25:25.170
  • - JEREMY: IT WAS A PLEASURE.
  • 00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:26.080
  • - ERIC: "A LOVE LETTER LIFE,"
  • 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:27.120
  • BY JEREMY AND AUDREY ROLOFF.
  • 00:25:27.120 --> 00:25:29.070
  • WE NEED MORE BOOKS LIKE THIS.
  • 00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:30.060
  • WE NEED MORE FOLKS LIKE YOU IN
  • 00:25:30.060 --> 00:25:31.150
  • RELATIONSHIPS LIKE THIS, LIVING
  • 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:33.020
  • IT OUT PUBLICLY.
  • 00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:33.180
  • - AUDREY: THANK YOU.
  • 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.170
  • - ERIC: YOU'RE USING YOUR
  • 00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:35.240
  • PLATFORM FOR GOD'S PURPOSES, SO
  • 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:36.160
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.020
  • - AUDREY: THANK YOU FOR HAVING
  • 00:25:38.020 --> 00:25:38.240
  • - MATT CROCKER: EVERY NOW AND
  • 00:25:46.030 --> 00:25:46.240
  • - TAYA GAUKRODGER: NO, NO--
  • 00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:50.090
  • - ERIC: YOU "USUALLY STUFF 'EM
  • 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.160
  • SEE, LIKE, SUDDENLY, I'M IN
  • 00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:53.080
  • AUSTRALIA.
  • 00:25:53.080 --> 00:25:53.190
  • WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THAT
  • 00:25:53.190 --> 00:25:54.090
  • - MICHAEL FRANZESE: I'M
  • 00:25:54.260 --> 00:25:55.140
  • STARTIN' TO FALL IN LOVE WITH
  • 00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:56.050
  • I'M A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO
  • 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:57.100
  • EVERYTHING THESE TWO WOMEN
  • 00:25:57.100 --> 00:25:57.290
  • AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT MY
  • 00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:59.210
  • LIFE, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:25:59.210 --> 00:26:00.070