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Creation in the 21st Century with David Rives

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  • - DAVID RIVES: COMING UP ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY":
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  • - DR. RANDY GULIUZZA: WHAT WE
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  • SEE DOES NOT LINE UP WITH
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  • EVOLUTIONARY THEORY.
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  • - DAVID: WHAT IF WE COULD TAKE
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  • ALL OF BIOLOGY AND ENCOMPASS IT
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  • INTO THE WAY AN ENGINEER
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  • THINKS?
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: HOW WOULD OUR
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  • PERSPECTIVE CHANGE IF WE DID
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  • NOT ASSUME THAT ORGANISMS WERE
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  • BEING MOLDED BY THEIR
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  • ENVIRONMENT?
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  • WHAT WE DO SEE LINES UP
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  • PERFECTLY WITH WHAT WE'D EXPECT
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  • [DRAMATIC THEME MUSIC PLAYS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - DAVID: WELCOME TO "CREATION
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  • IN THE 21ST CENTURY," WHERE
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  • SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY CONNECTS
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES, AND, FOR THE
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  • PAST 10 YEARS, I'VE BEEN ON A
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  • JOURNEY TO BRING PEOPLE CLOSER
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  • TO CHRIST BY SHOWING THEM THAT
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  • NOW, YOU'RE NO ACCIDENT.
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  • YOU ARE WONDERFULLY MADE!
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  • AND, YOU SEE, THE CREATION
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  • ACCOUNT THAT WE READ ABOUT ALL
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  • THE WAY BACK IN, UH, THE FIRST
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  • CHAPTERS OF THE BIBLE -- WELL,
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  • THAT HOLDS KEYS TO UNLOCKING
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  • AND UNDERSTANDING LIFE, DEATH,
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  • DISEASE, SUFFERING, WHY WE NEED
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  • A SAVIOR.
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  • SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES.
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  • SO, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS GOING
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  • RIGHT AWAY AND WE'RE GONNA
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  • START BY TAKING A LOOK AT THIS
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  • WEEK'S HEAVENS DECLARE SEGMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • IF YOU WERE ASKED TO DEFINE
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  • TIME, HOW WOULD YOU DO IT?
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  • YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SAY IT'S
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  • WHAT THE NUMBERS ON THE CLOCK
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  • REPRESENT.
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  • OR, IT'S A MEASUREMENT BASED ON
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  • THE MOVEMENTS OF THE SUN, THE
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  • MOON, AND THE EARTH.
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  • OR YOU MIGHT EVEN GET REALLY
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  • PHILOSOPHICAL AND SAY A LINEAR
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  • PROGRESSION OF MOMENTS.
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  • AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE
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  • DEFINITIONS YOU COULD HAVE
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  • CHOSEN.
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  • EACH OF THESE CAPTURES JUST A
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  • LITTLE BIT OF WHAT TIME IS, BUT
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  • IT FAILS TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT
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  • REALLY IS.
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  • PHYSICISTS STILL DON'T REALLY
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  • UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT TIME
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  • IS.
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  • YOU KNOW, WE CAN MEASURE IT
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  • EXTREMELY PRECISELY.
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  • FOR EXAMPLE, ATOMIC CLOCKS LIKE
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  • THIS CAN MEASURE TIME WITHIN
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  • ABOUT 300THS OF A SECOND OVER A
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  • MILLION YEARS.
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  • NOW, THAT'S PRECISE.
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  • AND YET, WHAT EXACTLY TIME IS
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  • REMAINS ELUSIVE.
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  • HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW: TIME'S
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  • CONSIDERED A BASIC CONCEPT AND
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  • IT'S NOT DEPENDENT ON OR MADE
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  • UP OF ANYTHING ELSE.
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  • YOU'VE HEARD THE PHRASE "TIME
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  • MOVES IN AN ARROW."
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  • WELL, THAT MEANS THAT TIME GOES
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  • ONE WAY: FORWARD, FROM A
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  • STARTING POINT IN THE PAST.
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  • NOW, IN CLASSICAL PHYSICS, TIME
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  • WAS CONSIDERED TO BE
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  • MATHEMATICAL, IMPERCEPTIBLE,
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  • AND MOVING AT THE SAME PACE FOR
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  • EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.
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  • BUT, YOU SEE, EINSTEIN'S
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  • REVELATIONS INTO RELATIVITY
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  • CHANGED THAT VIEW OF TIME.
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  • NOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO
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  • ACCOUNT TIME DILATION,
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  • GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION,
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  • AND THE IDEA THAT TIME IS
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  • PART OF THE FOUR-DIMENSIONAL
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  • SPACE-TIME.
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  • (LAUGHING) SOUND CONFUSING?
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  • WELL, YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
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  • THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO
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  • CALCULATING THE DIFFERENT
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  • FACTORS.
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  • AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE ABOUT TIME
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  • ACTUALLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH
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  • YOUR STARTING POINT.
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  • YOU SEE, FOR PHYSICISTS WHO
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  • START WITH NATURALISTIC
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  • EVOLUTIONARY IDEAS ABOUT THE
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  • ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE, THE
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  • ORIGIN OF TIME AND ITS EVENTUAL
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  • FATE IS ACTUALLY A MYSTERY.
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  • BUT IF WE START WITH THE BIBLE,
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  • WE CAN KNOW WHEN AND HOW TIME
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  • BEGAN -- AND, WHAT WILL HAPPEN
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  • TO IT IN THE END.
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  • NOW, THE FIRST VERSE OF THE
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  • BIBLE SAYS, "IN THE BEGINNING,
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  • GOD..." WHICH THAT WORD
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  • "BEGINNING" REFERS TO THE
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  • INSTITUTION OR THE CREATION OF
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  • TIME ITSELF.
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  • BUT IF THE BIBLE IS TRUE, WHICH
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  • I BELIEVE IT IS, WELL, THERE'S
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  • A DAY COMING WHEN TIME WILL BE
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  • NO MORE.
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  • THOSE WHO HAVE PUT THEIR FAITH
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  • AND TRUST IN CHRIST AND WHAT HE
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  • FOR THEM WILL SPEND ETERNITY
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  • WITH HIM, WHERE THERE WILL NO
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  • LONGER BE ANY DAY OR NIGHT.
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  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOLD THAT
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  • YAHWEH, THE GOD OF THE BIBLE,
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  • WILL BE OUR EVERLASTING LIFE.
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  • WHAT A JOYFUL TIME, WITHOUT
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  • TIME, THAT WILL BE.
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
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  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
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  • ALL RIGHT, NOW, LET'S MEET MY
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  • DR. RANDY GULIUZZA EARNED HIS
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  • MD FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
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  • MINNESOTA AND HE HAS A MASTER
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  • OF PUBLIC HEALTH FROM HARVARD
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  • UNIVERSITY.
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  • NOW, DR. GULIUZZA IS A
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  • PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AND, IN
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  • 2008, HE RETIRED AS A
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  • LIEUTENANT COLONEL FROM THE AIR
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  • FORCE.
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  • - DR. RANDY GULIUZZA: WELL,
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  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
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  • INVITATION.
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  • - DAVID: IT IS A JOY TO HAVE
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  • YOU HERE.
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  • WE APPRECIATE YOUR RESEARCH SO
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  • MUCH.
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  • NOW, UH, MEDICAL DOCTOR -- TELL
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  • ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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  • YOUR...PAST.
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  • AND, HAVE YOU ALWAYS BELIEVED
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  • IN...THE CREATION ACCOUNT FOUND
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WELL...NO,
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  • I DID NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE
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  • CREATION ACCOUNT FOUND IN
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  • GENESIS.
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  • IN FACT, I DID NOT BECOME A
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  • CHRISTIAN UNTIL I GRADUATED
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  • FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
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  • - DAVID: IS THAT RIGHT?
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WHEN I WAS 18
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  • YEARS OLD, I GAVE MY LIFE TO
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  • AND SOMEONE TALKED TO BE ABOUT
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  • MY SIN, BUT NOBODY TALKED TO ME
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  • ABOUT CREATION-EVOLUTION...
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...AND I WAS A
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  • SCIENTIFICALLY ORIENTED YOUNG
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  • PERSON AND I FULLY BELIEVED IN
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  • EVOLUTION.
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  • IN FACT, I WENT TO MOODY BIBLE
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  • INSTITUTE, GAVE MY TESTIMONY,
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  • GOT ACCEPTED, STILL BELIEVING
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  • IN EVOLUTION...
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  • - DAVID: WOW...
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...AND MY LIFE
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  • WAS CHANGED WHILE I WAS AT
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  • MOODY WHEN I PICKED UP AN "ACTS
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  • & FACTS" MAGAZINE FOR THE
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  • MINISTRY THAT I NOW WORK FOR.
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  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
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  • - DAVID: TELL ME ABOUT
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  • INSTITUTE FOR CREATION
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  • RESEARCH.
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YES, THAT
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  • MINISTRY WAS STARTED BY
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  • DR. HENRY MORRIS IN THE EARLY
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  • 1970s.
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  • PRAISE THE LORD.
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  • IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS BEFORE
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  • I WENT TO MOODY, SO THEY WERE
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  • ALREADY UP AND ROLLING AND THEY
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  • HAD THEIR PUBLICATIONS OUT.
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  • AND I FOUND THAT MAGAZINE...
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  • ...IN THE LIBRARY, AT MOODY,
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  • ONE AFTERNOON.
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  • TOOK IT BACK TO THE CUBICLE,
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  • READ AN ARTICLE ON THE
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  • ORIGIN OF LIFE.
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  • READ AN ARTICLE ON HOW
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  • ORGANISMS HAVE STAYED THE
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  • SAME IN THE FOSSIL RECORD,
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  • BY DR. DUANE GISH...
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  • - DAVID: OKAY.
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...AND...
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  • [SNAPS FINGERS]
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  • ...CHANGED MY LIFE.
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  • - DAVID: OKAY, SO YOU ARE--
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  • YOU HAVE STUDIED THESE THINGS.
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  • YOU HAVE STUDIED THE HUMAN
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  • BODY, YOU'VE STUDIED BIOLOGY,
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  • YOU'VE STUDIED THESE TYPES OF
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  • ISSUES.
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  • AND, AS A SCIENTIST WITH, YOU
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  • KNOW, DEGREES FROM HARVARD AND
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  • OTHER PLACES, YOU'RE TELLING ME
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  • THAT YOU BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE
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  • SAYS.
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YOU BETTER
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  • BELIEVE I DO, BECAUSE IT-- WHAT
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  • THE BIBLE SAYS IS CONSTANTLY
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  • AFFIRMED BY WHAT WE OBSERVE IN
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  • NATURE.
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  • AND, IN FACT, IT'S EASY TO
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  • BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS BY
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  • WHAT WE SEE IN NATURE.
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  • - DAVID: SO, PAUL TOLD THE
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  • ROMANS THAT THE INVISIBLE
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  • THINGS, EVERYTHING WE SEE
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  • AROUND US -- WE CAN UNDERSTAND
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  • OUR CREATOR BETTER BY STUDYING
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  • THE CREATION.
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  • WE JUST...CAN'T ELEVATE THE
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  • CREATION TO THE AUTHORITY OF
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  • THE CREATOR.
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  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S RIGHT,
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  • THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • HE SAID GOD'S ATTRIBUTES,
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  • CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES, ARE CLEARLY
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  • SEEN BY LOOKING AT THE
  • 00:06:59.190 --> 00:07:01.110
  • CREATION.
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  • - DAVID: YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A
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  • TOPIC TODAY THAT WE WANNA
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  • COVER.
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  • AND...I WANNA SORT OF BREAK
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  • THIS DOWN.
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  • BECAUSE, CHARLES DARWIN
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  • INSTITUTED THE-- OR POPULARIZED
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  • THE THEORIES OF EVOLUTION, THAT
  • 00:07:11.060 --> 00:07:13.250
  • ALL CREATURES SORT OF EVOLVE
  • 00:07:13.250 --> 00:07:16.110
  • FROM THIS SINGLE-CELLED
  • 00:07:16.110 --> 00:07:18.100
  • ORGANISM, JUST GIVE IT ENOUGH
  • 00:07:18.100 --> 00:07:20.010
  • TIME AND NATURAL SELECTION.
  • 00:07:20.110 --> 00:07:23.110
  • BUT, CHARLES DARWIN WAS SORT OF
  • 00:07:23.110 --> 00:07:24.030
  • A BACKSEAT BIOLOGIST.
  • 00:07:24.030 --> 00:07:26.130
  • HE WAS STUDYING TO BECOME A
  • 00:07:26.130 --> 00:07:27.150
  • PASTOR, ORIGINALLY, WASN'T HE?
  • 00:07:27.150 --> 00:07:28.160
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: RIGHT...HE
  • 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:29.060
  • WAS, HE WAS.
  • 00:07:29.060 --> 00:07:31.010
  • - DAVID: SO...WITH THE
  • 00:07:31.010 --> 00:07:33.080
  • TECHNOLOGY THAT HE HAD BACK IN
  • 00:07:33.080 --> 00:07:33.290
  • HIS DAYS, UH...IT'S CLEAR THAT
  • 00:07:33.290 --> 00:07:36.100
  • HE DIDN'T KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT
  • 00:07:36.100 --> 00:07:38.260
  • GENETICS, AS MUCH ABOUT
  • 00:07:38.260 --> 00:07:40.250
  • BIOLOGY, AS MUCH ABOUT A LOT OF
  • 00:07:40.250 --> 00:07:42.050
  • THESE ISSUES AS WE KNOW TODAY.
  • 00:07:42.050 --> 00:07:43.250
  • WHAT IF CHARLES DARWIN HAD
  • 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:46.050
  • NEVER EXISTED.
  • 00:07:46.050 --> 00:07:46.290
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: RIGHT.
  • 00:07:46.290 --> 00:07:48.100
  • WOW...THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
  • 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:49.020
  • AND HOW WOULD BIOLOGY BE
  • 00:07:49.020 --> 00:07:51.020
  • DIFFERENT TODAY IF WE COULD DO
  • 00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:52.260
  • BIOLOGY AS IF DARWIN HAD NEVER
  • 00:07:52.260 --> 00:07:54.170
  • BEEN BORN?
  • 00:07:55.080 --> 00:07:58.080
  • WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF
  • 00:07:58.080 --> 00:07:58.260
  • WE COULD DO THAT?
  • 00:07:58.260 --> 00:07:59.110
  • - DAVID: IT WOULD.
  • 00:07:59.110 --> 00:08:00.210
  • START OVER AGAIN.
  • 00:08:00.210 --> 00:08:02.140
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YEAH, PEOPLE
  • 00:08:02.140 --> 00:08:03.050
  • REALLY THINK THAT'S A
  • 00:08:03.050 --> 00:08:03.220
  • FASCINATING WAY TO PHRASE IT.
  • 00:08:03.220 --> 00:08:04.140
  • I CAN'T EVEN TAKE CREDIT FOR
  • 00:08:04.140 --> 00:08:05.040
  • IT.
  • 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:05.120
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:05.250
  • IT WAS A FRIEND OF MINE --
  • 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:06.140
  • WHO'S BEEN ON YOUR PROGRAM IN
  • 00:08:06.140 --> 00:08:07.050
  • THE PAST -- PAUL NELSON.
  • 00:08:07.050 --> 00:08:07.230
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:08:07.230 --> 00:08:08.060
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: DR. PAUL
  • 00:08:08.060 --> 00:08:08.250
  • NELSON.
  • 00:08:08.250 --> 00:08:09.070
  • HE'S THE ONE WHO SAID WE NEED
  • 00:08:09.070 --> 00:08:10.140
  • TO DO BIOLOGY AS IF DARWIN HAD
  • 00:08:10.140 --> 00:08:11.220
  • NEVER BEEN BORN.
  • 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:14.020
  • BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH DARWIN
  • 00:08:14.020 --> 00:08:16.150
  • DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS
  • 00:08:16.150 --> 00:08:17.110
  • GOING ON INSIDE OF ORGANISMS,
  • 00:08:17.110 --> 00:08:18.230
  • WHAT HE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED
  • 00:08:18.230 --> 00:08:21.090
  • IS HOW WE FRAME THE DATA.
  • 00:08:21.090 --> 00:08:22.260
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:08:22.260 --> 00:08:23.200
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: HE PUT IT IN A
  • 00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:24.280
  • COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTEXT,
  • 00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:26.000
  • WHICH CHANGED THE COURSE OF
  • 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.100
  • BIOLOGY UP TO TODAY.
  • 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:29.260
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:08:29.260 --> 00:08:30.120
  • - DAVID: LET'S SEE WHAT PEOPLE
  • 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.040
  • HOW DO YOU THINK EVOLUTION HAS
  • 00:08:32.110 --> 00:08:33.020
  • HELPED SCIENCE?
  • 00:08:33.020 --> 00:08:33.240
  • - INTERVIEWEE: OVER THOUSANDS
  • 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:34.150
  • OF YEARS, AT LEAST, WE'LL
  • 00:08:34.150 --> 00:08:35.160
  • CHANGE AND THEN ADAPT TO AN
  • 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:36.150
  • ENVIRONMENT.
  • 00:08:36.150 --> 00:08:38.040
  • AND SO, HOPEFULLY, MAYBE NOT IN
  • 00:08:38.040 --> 00:08:39.140
  • THE HUMAN RACE BUT IN THE MORE
  • 00:08:39.140 --> 00:08:40.120
  • NATURAL WORLD, THE STRONGEST
  • 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.060
  • DON'T SURVIVE.
  • 00:08:42.060 --> 00:08:42.290
  • SO, YEAH.
  • 00:08:42.290 --> 00:08:43.260
  • - INTERVIEWEE: WELL, I DON'T
  • 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:44.270
  • THINK WE CAME FROM APES, BUT I
  • 00:08:44.270 --> 00:08:46.070
  • THINK THE CONCEPT HAS ADVANCED
  • 00:08:46.070 --> 00:08:47.190
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.000
  • - DAVID: BREAK IT DOWN FOR US.
  • 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:52.260
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WELL, WHAT HE
  • 00:08:52.260 --> 00:08:53.170
  • DID IS HE BEGAN LOOKING AT
  • 00:08:53.170 --> 00:08:54.180
  • ORGANISMS AS IF THEY WERE
  • 00:08:54.180 --> 00:08:55.240
  • MOLDED AND SHAPED BY NATURE
  • 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:56.140
  • ITSELF.
  • 00:08:56.290 --> 00:08:59.290
  • AND SO, HE FACED THIS REALLY,
  • 00:08:59.290 --> 00:09:01.070
  • REALLY HARD TASK OF GETTING
  • 00:09:01.070 --> 00:09:02.190
  • GOD'S INTELLIGENCE OUT, GOD'S
  • 00:09:02.190 --> 00:09:03.270
  • THINKING OUT, AND REPLACING IT
  • 00:09:03.290 --> 00:09:06.290
  • WITH A PSEUDO-INTELLIGENCE.
  • 00:09:07.010 --> 00:09:10.010
  • - DAVID: OH...
  • 00:09:10.010 --> 00:09:10.200
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND HOW HE DID
  • 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.240
  • THAT WAS BY PROJECTING ONTO
  • 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:14.000
  • NATURE...PROJECTING ONTO NATURE
  • 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.040
  • SELECTIVE CAPACITIES, AS IF
  • 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:18.070
  • THEY COULD SELECT AND CHOOSE,
  • 00:09:18.070 --> 00:09:19.240
  • JUST LIKE A HUMAN BREEDER
  • 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:20.200
  • COULD.
  • 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.270
  • BUT THEY-- BUT NATURE REALLY
  • 00:09:21.270 --> 00:09:23.240
  • CAN'T BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A
  • 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.080
  • BRAIN LIKE A HUMAN BREEDER.
  • 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:26.230
  • - DAVID: SO, IN OTHER WORDS, A
  • 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:28.170
  • HUMAN BREEDER, IF THEY ARE
  • 00:09:28.170 --> 00:09:29.260
  • CREATING DIFFERENT KINDS OF
  • 00:09:29.260 --> 00:09:30.250
  • CATTLE OR DIFFERENT KINDS OF
  • 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:32.140
  • DOGS, OR DIFFERENT BREEDS OF
  • 00:09:32.140 --> 00:09:34.270
  • HORSES, WELL, THEY'RE USING
  • 00:09:34.270 --> 00:09:37.030
  • THEIR INTELLIGENCE, THEIR
  • 00:09:37.030 --> 00:09:38.040
  • GOD-GIVEN ABILITY TO THINK TO
  • 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:39.120
  • TRY TO MAKE THIS TAKE PLACE.
  • 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:43.000
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: RIGHT.
  • 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:43.180
  • - DAVID: AND YET, CHARLES
  • 00:09:43.180 --> 00:09:44.260
  • DARWIN SORT OF ATTRIBUTED TO
  • 00:09:44.260 --> 00:09:46.050
  • NATURE THE POWER TO DO THESE
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:48.160
  • SAME THINGS.
  • 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:49.150
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: EXACTLY.
  • 00:09:49.150 --> 00:09:51.050
  • HE PROJECTS ONTO NATURE
  • 00:09:51.050 --> 00:09:51.230
  • VOLITIONAL CAPACITY.
  • 00:09:51.230 --> 00:09:54.040
  • HIS WHOLE IDEA OF NATURE
  • 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:57.070
  • SELECTS, NATURAL SELECTION, IS
  • 00:09:57.070 --> 00:09:58.130
  • THIS PROJECTION ONTO NATURE,
  • 00:09:58.130 --> 00:10:00.270
  • THE ABILITY TO SELECT.
  • 00:10:00.270 --> 00:10:02.250
  • AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUPPOSED
  • 00:10:02.250 --> 00:10:04.260
  • TO BE A METAPHOR, WHEN YOU READ
  • 00:10:04.260 --> 00:10:06.230
  • BIOLOGICAL LITERATURE, IT
  • 00:10:06.230 --> 00:10:08.240
  • ISN'T.
  • 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:10.040
  • IT'S USED AS AN ACTIVE AGENT.
  • 00:10:10.040 --> 00:10:12.110
  • IT'S USED AS A CAUSAL FORCE.
  • 00:10:12.110 --> 00:10:14.090
  • IT'S USED AS AN AGENT OF
  • 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:15.160
  • CHANGE.
  • 00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:16.220
  • - DAVID: OOOKAY.
  • 00:10:16.220 --> 00:10:17.220
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: IT REALLY DOES
  • 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:18.150
  • BECOME NATURE EXERCISING AGENCY
  • 00:10:18.150 --> 00:10:20.260
  • OVER CREATURES AND MOLDING AND
  • 00:10:20.260 --> 00:10:23.210
  • MAKING THEM, WHICH IS TOTALLY
  • 00:10:23.210 --> 00:10:25.130
  • DIFFERENT FROM THE BIBLICAL
  • 00:10:25.130 --> 00:10:26.150
  • PERSPECTIVE AND TOTALLY
  • 00:10:26.150 --> 00:10:27.210
  • DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE WOULD
  • 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:29.050
  • EXPECT FROM A DESIGN
  • 00:10:29.050 --> 00:10:29.230
  • PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:10:29.230 --> 00:10:31.080
  • - DAVID: BREAK THAT DOWN.
  • 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:32.150
  • WHAT DO WE FIND IN GENESIS 1
  • 00:10:32.150 --> 00:10:33.250
  • THAT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND
  • 00:10:33.250 --> 00:10:35.030
  • HOW GOD MAY HAVE FORMED THE
  • 00:10:35.030 --> 00:10:37.130
  • CREATURES TO BE ABLE TO...ADAPT
  • 00:10:37.130 --> 00:10:39.290
  • TO WHATEVER SITUATION THEY'RE
  • 00:10:39.290 --> 00:10:41.180
  • PLACED IN?
  • 00:10:41.180 --> 00:10:42.230
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WOW, THAT'S A
  • 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:44.000
  • GREAT QUESTION, BECAUSE,
  • 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:44.280
  • GENESIS 1 GIVES US A LOT OF
  • 00:10:44.280 --> 00:10:46.180
  • CLUES.
  • 00:10:46.180 --> 00:10:48.050
  • IN FACT, WE NEED TO MAYBE
  • 00:10:48.050 --> 00:10:50.080
  • FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE WAY WE
  • 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.010
  • THINK ABOUT THE EARTH AT THE
  • 00:10:52.010 --> 00:10:52.260
  • VERY BEGINNING OF CREATION.
  • 00:10:52.260 --> 00:10:53.260
  • WE TEND TO THINK THAT EARTH WAS
  • 00:10:53.260 --> 00:10:55.160
  • LIKE EDEN.
  • 00:10:55.160 --> 00:10:56.200
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.000
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: BUT MAYBE
  • 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:58.200
  • EARTH WASN'T TOTALLY LIKE EDEN
  • 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:59.150
  • AT ALL.
  • 00:10:59.150 --> 00:11:00.110
  • BUT WE DO KNOW, FOR ONE THING,
  • 00:11:00.110 --> 00:11:02.170
  • THAT EARTH WAS A DYNAMIC PLACE.
  • 00:11:02.170 --> 00:11:04.020
  • THERE WAS EVENING AND MORNING
  • 00:11:04.020 --> 00:11:06.100
  • AND JUST GOING THROUGH THE
  • 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:07.200
  • DAY-NIGHT CYCLE MAKES EARTH
  • 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.100
  • DYNAMIC.
  • 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:09.030
  • - DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:11:09.030 --> 00:11:09.210
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THE BIBLE ALSO
  • 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:10.160
  • SAYS THAT GOD PLACED THOSE
  • 00:11:10.160 --> 00:11:11.250
  • STARS FOR SIGNS AND FOR...
  • 00:11:11.250 --> 00:11:13.010
  • - BOTH: ...SEASONS.
  • 00:11:13.010 --> 00:11:14.020
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: SO, WE HAVE
  • 00:11:14.020 --> 00:11:15.130
  • SEASONS ON THE EARTH AT THAT
  • 00:11:15.130 --> 00:11:17.050
  • TIME.
  • 00:11:17.050 --> 00:11:18.020
  • AND THEN, HE TOLD CREATURES: BE
  • 00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:19.220
  • FRUITFUL, MULTIPLY, AND FILL
  • 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:20.190
  • THE EARTH.
  • 00:11:20.190 --> 00:11:23.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:11:23.070 --> 00:11:23.240
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: SO, THE FACT
  • 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.180
  • THAT ORGANISMS ARE GOING INTO
  • 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:26.050
  • ONE ANOTHER'S SPACES IS
  • 00:11:26.050 --> 00:11:27.200
  • CHANGING IT FOR THE ORGANISMS.
  • 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.170
  • AND, THEREFORE, EARTH WAS
  • 00:11:29.190 --> 00:11:32.190
  • ALWAYS A DYNAMIC PLACE.
  • 00:11:32.190 --> 00:11:34.050
  • AND I BELIEVE THAT HE SET THAT
  • 00:11:34.050 --> 00:11:36.160
  • UP FOR A REASON.
  • 00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:37.140
  • BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DEMONSTRATE
  • 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:40.080
  • FOR US HIS ENGINEERING
  • 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:41.240
  • GENIUS...
  • 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:42.220
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:11:42.220 --> 00:11:43.150
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...HIS WISDOM,
  • 00:11:43.150 --> 00:11:44.070
  • HIS POWER.
  • 00:11:44.070 --> 00:11:45.170
  • AND THE WAY ENGINEERS
  • 00:11:45.170 --> 00:11:47.100
  • DEMONSTRATE HOW GOOD WE ARE AS
  • 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:49.150
  • THINKERS IS WE BUILD DYNAMIC
  • 00:11:49.150 --> 00:11:51.100
  • MACHINES.
  • 00:11:51.100 --> 00:11:52.280
  • WE BUILD MACHINES THAT CAN GO
  • 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:54.080
  • TO OTHER PLANETS.
  • 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:55.190
  • WE BUILD MACHINES THAT CAN
  • 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:56.190
  • TRAVERSE THROUGH ALL DIFFERENT
  • 00:11:56.190 --> 00:11:58.110
  • KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTS...
  • 00:11:58.110 --> 00:11:59.020
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:11:59.020 --> 00:12:00.020
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...SAFELY AND
  • 00:12:00.020 --> 00:12:01.000
  • SUCCESSFULLY.
  • 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:02.170
  • AND THAT DEMONSTRATES GREAT
  • 00:12:02.170 --> 00:12:04.160
  • ENGINEERING PROWESS.
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.110
  • ORGANISMS DO THAT.
  • 00:12:05.110 --> 00:12:07.050
  • THEY DO THAT.
  • 00:12:07.050 --> 00:12:09.160
  • AND THEY DO THAT -- ONLY FAR,
  • 00:12:09.160 --> 00:12:11.000
  • FAR BETTER.
  • 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.010
  • - DAVID: OKAY, SO...LET'S
  • 00:12:13.010 --> 00:12:14.260
  • PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND THEN
  • 00:12:14.260 --> 00:12:16.100
  • ADDRESS SOMETHING.
  • 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:17.170
  • SO, IF ORGANISMS CAN...LET'S
  • 00:12:17.170 --> 00:12:18.220
  • CALL IT ADAPT, WELL, HOW FAR
  • 00:12:18.220 --> 00:12:21.010
  • CAN THAT GO?
  • 00:12:21.010 --> 00:12:23.130
  • CAN AN ORGANISM-- COULD YOU
  • 00:12:23.130 --> 00:12:24.230
  • TAKE A FINCH AND TURN IT INTO
  • 00:12:24.230 --> 00:12:26.210
  • AN APE?
  • 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:27.290
  • CAN THEY GO THAT FAR?
  • 00:12:27.290 --> 00:12:29.170
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WELL, NO!
  • 00:12:29.170 --> 00:12:30.130
  • THEY CAN'T GO THAT FAR AT ALL.
  • 00:12:30.130 --> 00:12:31.260
  • AND WE WOULD NOT EXPECT IT FROM
  • 00:12:31.260 --> 00:12:33.190
  • AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE,
  • 00:12:33.190 --> 00:12:35.040
  • BECAUSE, EVEN ENGINEERS BUILD
  • 00:12:35.140 --> 00:12:38.140
  • THINGS WITHIN PARAMETERS.
  • 00:12:38.140 --> 00:12:40.170
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:12:40.170 --> 00:12:41.040
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WE CALL THOSE
  • 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:41.290
  • DESIGN PARAMETERS.
  • 00:12:41.290 --> 00:12:42.240
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.040
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND SO, THE
  • 00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:45.110
  • ORGANISM IS ALSO BUILT WITHIN
  • 00:12:45.110 --> 00:12:46.100
  • DESIGN PARAMETERS BY THE LORD
  • 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:47.010
  • IN BETWEEN THOSE PARAMETERS, WE
  • 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.010
  • CAN SEE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
  • 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:52.190
  • CHANGE AND VARIABILITY, BUT
  • 00:12:52.190 --> 00:12:54.240
  • THERE ARE LIMITS TO THOSE.
  • 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.260
  • THERE'S LIMITS TO THE CHANGE
  • 00:12:56.260 --> 00:12:58.280
  • AND THERE'S ALSO LIMITS TO WHAT
  • 00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:00.140
  • SO, THEY CAN'T GO BEYOND THOSE
  • 00:13:03.220 --> 00:13:05.290
  • PARAMETERS TO GO FROM A BIRD TO
  • 00:13:05.290 --> 00:13:06.210
  • AN APE.
  • 00:13:06.210 --> 00:13:07.140
  • BUT THEN, ALSO, WHEN THEY'RE
  • 00:13:07.140 --> 00:13:08.270
  • EXPOSED TO CONDITIONS OUTSIDE
  • 00:13:08.270 --> 00:13:09.230
  • THOSE PARAMETERS, THEY MAY
  • 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:10.190
  • BREAK.
  • 00:13:10.190 --> 00:13:11.280
  • - DAVID: SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE
  • 00:13:11.280 --> 00:13:13.130
  • DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS IN
  • 00:13:13.130 --> 00:13:14.160
  • EARTH'S LIFE.
  • 00:13:14.230 --> 00:13:17.230
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:13:17.230 --> 00:13:18.260
  • EARTH WAS A DYNAMIC PLACE, SO
  • 00:13:18.260 --> 00:13:20.150
  • YOU CAN'T PUT STATIC CREATURES
  • 00:13:20.150 --> 00:13:22.110
  • IN A DYNAMIC PLACE OR THEY MAY
  • 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:23.050
  • JUST GET CRUSHED.
  • 00:13:23.050 --> 00:13:24.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:25.070
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: SO, EARTH WAS
  • 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:27.170
  • DYNAMIC BECAUSE THERE WAS DAY
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:29.030
  • AND NIGHT, THERE WERE SEASONS,
  • 00:13:29.030 --> 00:13:31.170
  • THERE WERE ORGANISMS FILLING
  • 00:13:31.170 --> 00:13:32.070
  • EACH OTHER'S...SPACES...
  • 00:13:32.070 --> 00:13:34.180
  • - DAVID: TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES.
  • 00:13:34.180 --> 00:13:35.150
  • YEAH.
  • 00:13:35.150 --> 00:13:37.000
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:38.030
  • BUT THEY'RE ALSO STABLE.
  • 00:13:38.030 --> 00:13:39.210
  • AND SO, HOW WOULD AN ENGINEER
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:40.120
  • BALANCE THIS ABILITY TO HAVE
  • 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:41.050
  • SOME STABILITY WITH THE ABILITY
  • 00:13:41.050 --> 00:13:42.150
  • TO BE DYNAMIC?
  • 00:13:42.150 --> 00:13:44.280
  • AND ENGINEERS DO THAT BY
  • 00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:46.180
  • BALANCING TRAITS -- TWO
  • 00:13:46.180 --> 00:13:48.040
  • DIFFERENT TRAITS.
  • 00:13:48.040 --> 00:13:49.160
  • THEY HAVE TO BE ROBUST.
  • 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:50.060
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:50.060 --> 00:13:50.210
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: IN OTHER
  • 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:51.210
  • WORDS, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:52.120
  • TAKE A LICKING AND STILL
  • 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:53.190
  • MAINTAIN THEIR BASIC FUNCTIONS,
  • 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.140
  • BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE
  • 00:13:54.140 --> 00:13:56.070
  • SOMEWHAT PLASTIC.
  • 00:13:56.070 --> 00:13:57.200
  • THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST
  • 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.050
  • AND ADAPT.
  • 00:13:59.050 --> 00:14:00.140
  • - DAVID: OKAAAY!
  • 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:01.120
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND WHEN
  • 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:02.070
  • ENGINEERS COMBINE ROBUSTNESS
  • 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:04.120
  • WITH PLASTICITY, WE END UP WITH
  • 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.010
  • A TRAIT CALLED RESILIENT.
  • 00:14:06.010 --> 00:14:07.240
  • AND WE HAVE RESILIENT CREATURES
  • 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.170
  • JUST LIKE WE HAVE RESILIENT
  • 00:14:09.170 --> 00:14:11.030
  • MANMADE THINGS.
  • 00:14:11.030 --> 00:14:13.120
  • - DAVID: VERY INTERESTING.
  • 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:14.100
  • WELL, IS THERE ANY CLUES IN THE
  • 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:15.150
  • BIBLE THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT
  • 00:14:15.150 --> 00:14:17.100
  • GOD CREATED?
  • 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:18.090
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WELL, OF
  • 00:14:18.090 --> 00:14:19.280
  • COURSE, THE BIBLE SAYS MULTIPLE
  • 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:21.070
  • TIMES THAT WE ARE HIS
  • 00:14:21.070 --> 00:14:22.160
  • HANDIWORK...
  • 00:14:23.090 --> 00:14:26.090
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:14:26.090 --> 00:14:26.230
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...WE ARE THE
  • 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:27.140
  • WORK OF HIS HANDS....
  • 00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:28.010
  • - DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT!
  • 00:14:28.010 --> 00:14:28.190
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...THAT WE ARE
  • 00:14:28.190 --> 00:14:29.110
  • HIS WORKMANSHIP.
  • 00:14:29.110 --> 00:14:30.220
  • WHAT IF...WHAT IF THAT'S NOT
  • 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:32.240
  • JUST A METAPHOR?
  • 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.080
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WHAT IF WE
  • 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:35.280
  • REALLY DO DISPLAY SIGNS AND
  • 00:14:35.280 --> 00:14:37.100
  • CHARACTERISTICS OF REAL
  • 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:38.280
  • HANDIWORK?
  • 00:14:38.280 --> 00:14:41.080
  • YOU AND I, WHEN WE WERE IN SHOP
  • 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.200
  • CLASS AS A KID -- WE HAD TO
  • 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:44.100
  • BUILD THINGS.
  • 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:44.280
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:44.280 --> 00:14:45.130
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:45.270
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND WHEN WE
  • 00:14:45.270 --> 00:14:46.220
  • BUILD THINGS, THEY HAVE
  • 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:47.220
  • DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF
  • 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:48.190
  • HANDIWORK.
  • 00:14:48.190 --> 00:14:50.200
  • IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE TO PUT
  • 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.180
  • THE PARTS TOGETHER IN A PROPER
  • 00:14:52.180 --> 00:14:53.090
  • ORDER.
  • 00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:55.000
  • THEY HAVE SPECIFIC TRAITS --
  • 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.160
  • FIT AND FINISH AND SHAPE.
  • 00:14:57.160 --> 00:14:59.290
  • AND, SOMETIMES, EVEN MOVING
  • 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:02.000
  • MACHINES HAVE PRECISE TIMING.
  • 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:03.170
  • AND THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROPER
  • 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.240
  • SEQUENCE OF HOW THEY'RE GOING
  • 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.200
  • TO OPERATE.
  • 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:09.090
  • SO, WHEN YOU SEE FIT AND
  • 00:15:09.090 --> 00:15:11.060
  • FINISH, AND TOLERANCES, AND
  • 00:15:11.060 --> 00:15:13.040
  • THINGS BUILT TO THE RIGHT
  • 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:14.280
  • SCALE, AND THINGS WITH PROPER
  • 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:15.220
  • TIMING, THOSE ARE
  • 00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:16.160
  • CHARACTERISTICS OF DESIGN THAT
  • 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:18.240
  • WE ONLY SEE IN MANMADE THINGS
  • 00:15:18.250 --> 00:15:21.250
  • AND IN GOD-MADE THINGS.
  • 00:15:21.290 --> 00:15:24.290
  • - DAVID: AHHHH!
  • 00:15:24.290 --> 00:15:25.150
  • OKAY!
  • 00:15:25.150 --> 00:15:25.280
  • SO, WE'RE SEEING THESE SAME
  • 00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:27.060
  • DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS IN THE
  • 00:15:27.060 --> 00:15:28.250
  • THINGS IN THE NATURAL WORLD.
  • 00:15:28.250 --> 00:15:31.160
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: EXACTLY.
  • 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:32.240
  • - DAVID: GOD-MADE THINGS.
  • 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:33.130
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND THEY'RE
  • 00:15:33.130 --> 00:15:34.160
  • NOT ANALOGIES; THEY'RE REAL
  • 00:15:35.180 --> 00:15:38.180
  • CORRESPONDING ELEMENTS.
  • 00:15:38.180 --> 00:15:41.140
  • SO, IF THERE IS A SENSOR IN A
  • 00:15:41.140 --> 00:15:42.050
  • MANMADE THING TO DETECT AN
  • 00:15:42.050 --> 00:15:42.240
  • ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE, I WOULD
  • 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.150
  • EXPECT TO FIND INSIDE AN
  • 00:15:43.150 --> 00:15:45.020
  • ORGANISM A SENSOR TO DETECT ITS
  • 00:15:45.170 --> 00:15:48.170
  • ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES OF A
  • 00:15:48.170 --> 00:15:50.020
  • CORRESPONDING ELEMENT -- AND
  • 00:15:50.020 --> 00:15:52.150
  • THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE FIND.
  • 00:15:52.150 --> 00:15:54.030
  • IN FACT, YOU HIT ON A REALLY
  • 00:15:54.030 --> 00:15:56.070
  • IMPORTANT POINT.
  • 00:15:56.070 --> 00:15:57.110
  • DARWIN MADE A PREDICTION, TO
  • 00:15:57.110 --> 00:15:58.170
  • HIS CREDIT.
  • 00:15:58.170 --> 00:15:59.150
  • HE SAID THAT ADAPTATION AND
  • 00:15:59.150 --> 00:16:01.260
  • EVOLUTIONARY CHANGE SHOULD BE
  • 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:03.250
  • CHARACTERIZED IN CERTAIN WAYS.
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:05.100
  • IT SHOULD BE CHARACTERIZED AS
  • 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:06.240
  • UNDIRECTED.
  • 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.030
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:16:08.030 --> 00:16:08.180
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: 'CAUSE HE
  • 00:16:08.180 --> 00:16:09.100
  • DOESN'T WANT ANY DESIGN IN
  • 00:16:09.100 --> 00:16:09.290
  • THERE, OF COURSE.
  • 00:16:09.290 --> 00:16:10.180
  • HE SAYS IT SHOULD BE COPIOUS
  • 00:16:10.180 --> 00:16:12.100
  • AND HE SAID IT SHOULD BE
  • 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:13.260
  • GRADUAL.
  • 00:16:13.260 --> 00:16:15.140
  • SO, ACCORDING TO HIS THEORY, IT
  • 00:16:15.140 --> 00:16:16.180
  • SHOULD BE THOSE THREE THINGS.
  • 00:16:16.180 --> 00:16:18.120
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:18.280
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AS AN
  • 00:16:18.280 --> 00:16:20.020
  • ENGINEER, I WOULD SAY THAT, IF
  • 00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:21.190
  • I'M GOING TO DESIGN SOMETHING
  • 00:16:21.190 --> 00:16:23.110
  • TO BE ADAPTABLE, I EXPECT ITS
  • 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:24.250
  • CHANGES TO BE HIGHLY REGULATED,
  • 00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:26.180
  • NOT UNDIRECTED.
  • 00:16:26.180 --> 00:16:29.040
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:29.190
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: I DON'T EXPECT
  • 00:16:29.190 --> 00:16:30.240
  • RESULTS TO BE COPIOUS, BUT I
  • 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.060
  • EXPECT THEM TO BE VERY
  • 00:16:32.060 --> 00:16:33.150
  • TARGETED, VERY SPECIFIC FOR A
  • 00:16:33.150 --> 00:16:35.240
  • SPECIFIC PROBLEM.
  • 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.170
  • AND I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE
  • 00:16:37.170 --> 00:16:39.050
  • GRADUAL.
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:39.270
  • I EXPECT MY CHANGES TO BE
  • 00:16:39.270 --> 00:16:42.080
  • RELATIVELY RAPID.
  • 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:43.040
  • - DAVID: OKAY!
  • 00:16:43.040 --> 00:16:43.200
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: SO, WE CAN
  • 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.170
  • MAKE A SET OF PREDICTIONS FROM
  • 00:16:44.170 --> 00:16:45.240
  • A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL.
  • 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.280
  • - DAVID: SO, DARWIN MADE THOSE
  • 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:48.200
  • PREDICTIONS, IF HIS THEORIES
  • 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.070
  • WERE CORRECT, AND THOSE
  • 00:16:50.070 --> 00:16:52.090
  • THEORIES HAVE HAD TO BE
  • 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:55.010
  • ADJUSTED NUMEROUS TIMES.
  • 00:16:55.010 --> 00:16:57.000
  • IN FACT, WHAT ARE THE FIRST
  • 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.030
  • THINGS WE FIND IN THE FOSSIL
  • 00:16:59.030 --> 00:16:59.230
  • RECORD?
  • 00:16:59.230 --> 00:17:00.160
  • FULLY FORMED CREATURES.
  • 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:01.160
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WE DO.
  • 00:17:01.160 --> 00:17:02.120
  • - DAVID: SO, IT'S THIS
  • 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.000
  • CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION, BUT IT MUST
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:03.280
  • HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF AN
  • 00:17:03.280 --> 00:17:05.290
  • EXPLOSIVE FORCE THAT QUICKLY
  • 00:17:05.290 --> 00:17:08.020
  • ADAPTED EVERYTHING.
  • 00:17:08.020 --> 00:17:09.160
  • WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT
  • 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.140
  • CHANGE?
  • 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:12.110
  • WELL, WE'RE MISSING SOME OF
  • 00:17:12.110 --> 00:17:13.070
  • THESE TRANSITIONAL SPECIES FROM
  • 00:17:13.070 --> 00:17:14.260
  • ONE KIND OF CREATURE TO
  • 00:17:14.260 --> 00:17:16.230
  • ANOTHER, SO IT MUST BE
  • 00:17:16.230 --> 00:17:18.000
  • PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM.
  • 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.190
  • THEY RAPIDLY CHANGE TO THE NEXT
  • 00:17:19.190 --> 00:17:21.220
  • STATE.
  • 00:17:21.220 --> 00:17:23.060
  • SO, WHILE THEY STILL ESPOUSE
  • 00:17:23.060 --> 00:17:25.140
  • WIDE, UH, RANGES OR EONS OF
  • 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:28.060
  • TIME, THEY'VE HAD TO PUT IN
  • 00:17:29.030 --> 00:17:32.030
  • RESCUING DEVICES TO EXPLAIN
  • 00:17:32.030 --> 00:17:33.150
  • WHAT'S ACTUALLY OBSERVED,
  • 00:17:33.150 --> 00:17:34.070
  • HAVEN'T THEY?
  • 00:17:34.070 --> 00:17:35.200
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YOU BETTER
  • 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.100
  • BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:17:36.100 --> 00:17:36.250
  • BECAUSE, WHAT WE OBSERVE
  • 00:17:36.250 --> 00:17:37.290
  • DOESN'T LINE UP WITH
  • 00:17:37.290 --> 00:17:39.280
  • EVOLUTIONARY THEORY.
  • 00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:41.190
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:43.160
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:44.120
  • LET'S SEE WHAT PEOPLE ON THE
  • 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:45.020
  • DO YOU THINK THAT THE BELIEF IN
  • 00:17:46.250 --> 00:17:47.170
  • EVOLUTION HAS HINDERED OR
  • 00:17:47.170 --> 00:17:48.060
  • HELPED SCIENCE?
  • 00:17:48.060 --> 00:17:50.040
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I THINK IT
  • 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:51.160
  • KINDA HAS MAYBE DONE, I DON'T
  • 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.060
  • KNOW, MAYBE ADVANCED IT?
  • 00:17:53.060 --> 00:17:54.100
  • JUST KINDA, LIKE, HELPED TO,
  • 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:55.170
  • UM, I GUESS...DECIPHER WHAT
  • 00:17:55.170 --> 00:17:57.290
  • MIGHT HAPPEN?
  • 00:17:57.290 --> 00:17:59.230
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UH...PROBABLY
  • 00:17:59.230 --> 00:18:01.010
  • HINDERED.
  • 00:18:01.010 --> 00:18:02.270
  • - INTERVIEWEE: OH, IT'S
  • 00:18:02.270 --> 00:18:03.170
  • DEFINITELY, UH, ADVANCED
  • 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:04.060
  • SCIENCE.
  • 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:05.140
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I BELIEVE IN
  • 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:06.040
  • EVOLUTION 'CAUSE I SEE IT EVERY
  • 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:06.260
  • DAY IN OUR CATTLE THAT WE
  • 00:18:06.260 --> 00:18:07.150
  • BREED.
  • 00:18:07.150 --> 00:18:09.080
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I WOULD SAY
  • 00:18:09.080 --> 00:18:09.280
  • ADVANCED.
  • 00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:10.090
  • YEAH.
  • 00:18:10.090 --> 00:18:10.190
  • - INTERVIEWEE: TO SOME EXTENT,
  • 00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:11.240
  • YES.
  • 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.110
  • - INTERVIEWEE: MAYBE ADVANCED
  • 00:18:13.110 --> 00:18:14.290
  • -- CAUSING PEOPLE TO PROBE MORE
  • 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:16.090
  • AND FIGURE OUT MORE OF "IS THIS
  • 00:18:16.090 --> 00:18:17.260
  • TRUE OR NOT?"
  • 00:18:17.260 --> 00:18:19.240
  • - INTERVIEWEE: HELPED.
  • 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.280
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:20.280 --> 00:18:21.250
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): THERE'S
  • 00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:22.170
  • DEFINITELY A SOLID AMOUNT THAT
  • 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:23.140
  • IT'S ADVANCED SCIENCE.
  • 00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:24.010
  • YOU CAN SEE EVOLUTION, WHERE
  • 00:18:24.010 --> 00:18:25.090
  • DIFFERENT CREATURES HAVE
  • 00:18:25.090 --> 00:18:25.270
  • CHANGED.
  • 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:29.080
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND SO, IF WE
  • 00:18:29.080 --> 00:18:29.290
  • WERE TO DEVELOP, IF WE WERE TO
  • 00:18:29.290 --> 00:18:31.010
  • MOVE CREATION INTO THE 21ST
  • 00:18:31.010 --> 00:18:33.060
  • CENTURY...
  • 00:18:33.060 --> 00:18:35.020
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:35.170
  • ...WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE
  • 00:18:35.170 --> 00:18:36.070
  • WANNA BE...
  • 00:18:36.070 --> 00:18:36.270
  • - DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:18:36.270 --> 00:18:37.210
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...WE NEED TO
  • 00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:38.180
  • DO BIOLOGY AS IF DARWIN HAD
  • 00:18:38.180 --> 00:18:40.010
  • WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIS
  • 00:18:41.230 --> 00:18:42.170
  • EXTERNALISM THAT ORGANISMS ARE
  • 00:18:42.170 --> 00:18:44.130
  • BEING SHAPED BY THEIR
  • 00:18:44.130 --> 00:18:45.130
  • ENVIRONMENT.
  • 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:46.160
  • WE NEED TO DUMP HIS
  • 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:47.280
  • SELECTIONISM ALTOGETHER THAT
  • 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:48.180
  • THERE'S THIS MAGICAL SELECTOR,
  • 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:49.240
  • THIS PSEUDO-INTELLIGENCE, THIS
  • 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:52.280
  • PSEUDO-AGENT ACTING OUT THERE,
  • 00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:54.090
  • AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO AN
  • 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:55.250
  • INTERNALISTIC APPROACH, WHICH
  • 00:18:55.250 --> 00:18:57.140
  • IS FUNDAMENTALLY DESIGN-BASED.
  • 00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:58.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:00.080
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WE COULD GO
  • 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:01.110
  • WITH A MAJOR ASSUMPTION, WHICH
  • 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:02.140
  • IS TOTALLY BIBLICAL, AND THAT
  • 00:19:02.140 --> 00:19:03.130
  • IS THAT BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS
  • 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:05.160
  • ARE ACCURATELY EXPLAINED BY
  • 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.000
  • ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES...
  • 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:09.190
  • - DAVID: HMH.
  • 00:19:09.190 --> 00:19:10.110
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...AND BEGIN
  • 00:19:10.110 --> 00:19:11.020
  • TO LOOK AT ORGANISMS AS IF THEY
  • 00:19:11.020 --> 00:19:12.240
  • REALLY WERE DESIGNED.
  • 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.140
  • AND, THEREFORE, WHEN WE REVERSE
  • 00:19:14.140 --> 00:19:16.040
  • ENGINEER THEM AND TAKE 'EM
  • 00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:17.230
  • APART, ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES
  • 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:19.290
  • CAN GUIDE US IN OUR THINKING
  • 00:19:19.290 --> 00:19:21.220
  • AND EVEN OUR PREDICTIONS.
  • 00:19:21.220 --> 00:19:22.110
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:23.150
  • WELL, LET'S DO THAT.
  • 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:25.040
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:26.180
  • SO, HOW WE WOULD DO THAT IS WE
  • 00:19:26.190 --> 00:19:29.190
  • WOULD-- WE NEED TO BASICALLY
  • 00:19:29.190 --> 00:19:30.090
  • KIND OF CHANGE THE WAY WE SEE
  • 00:19:30.090 --> 00:19:31.000
  • LIVING ORGANISMS.
  • 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.090
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:32.090 --> 00:19:32.230
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: RIGHT NOW, WE
  • 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:33.140
  • HAVE, LIKE, THE REALM OF
  • 00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:34.020
  • ENGINEERING, WHICH IS EXPLAINED
  • 00:19:34.020 --> 00:19:35.110
  • BY ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES.
  • 00:19:35.110 --> 00:19:36.180
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.030
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND WE HAVE
  • 00:19:37.030 --> 00:19:38.020
  • BIOLOGY OUT THERE, WHICH HAS
  • 00:19:38.020 --> 00:19:39.200
  • THE BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS OF
  • 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.020
  • ADAPTATION, REPRODUCTION,
  • 00:19:42.020 --> 00:19:42.210
  • GROWTH, AND METABOLISM.
  • 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:44.150
  • BUT, WE KNOW LIVING THINGS ALSO
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:46.180
  • HAVE LIFE AND THEY HAVE
  • 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:48.060
  • CONSCIOUSNESS.
  • 00:19:48.060 --> 00:19:48.240
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:49.210
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND,
  • 00:19:49.210 --> 00:19:50.180
  • THEREFORE, WE KINDA SEE THEM AS
  • 00:19:50.180 --> 00:19:51.140
  • OVERLAPPING, BUT ONLY PARTIALLY
  • 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:53.010
  • OVERLAPPING.
  • 00:19:53.010 --> 00:19:54.200
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:55.060
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THERE'S
  • 00:19:55.060 --> 00:19:57.030
  • SOMETHING DISTINCTIVE ABOUT
  • 00:19:57.030 --> 00:19:58.120
  • LIFE ITSELF.
  • 00:19:58.120 --> 00:19:59.110
  • THERE'S SOMETHING DISTINCTIVE
  • 00:19:59.110 --> 00:20:00.240
  • ABOUT CONSCIOUSNESS, WHICH MAY
  • 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.280
  • BE COMPLETELY IMMATERIAL.
  • 00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:04.100
  • - DAVID: OKAAAY!
  • 00:20:04.100 --> 00:20:04.250
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND THEY CAN'T
  • 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:06.180
  • BE REDUCED TO BIOLOGY OR
  • 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:07.160
  • ENGINEERING.
  • 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.020
  • SO, WE HOLD THOSE SEPARATE.
  • 00:20:09.020 --> 00:20:10.240
  • AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE
  • 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.100
  • REALIZE THIS IS WHY WE'RE NOT
  • 00:20:13.100 --> 00:20:14.190
  • MACHINES AND MAYBE THIS IS WHY
  • 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:16.140
  • HUMANS WILL NEVER CREATE LIFE.
  • 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:17.260
  • BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT ORGANISMS
  • 00:20:17.260 --> 00:20:20.150
  • DO -- THEIR FUNCTIONS, THEIR
  • 00:20:20.150 --> 00:20:21.080
  • ADAPTABILITY...
  • 00:20:21.080 --> 00:20:23.220
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM
  • 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:24.060
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...WE MOVE
  • 00:20:24.060 --> 00:20:25.140
  • THAT INTO THE REALM OF DESIGN.
  • 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.140
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:27.000
  • OKAY.
  • 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:27.220
  • WAIT A SECOND.
  • 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:28.160
  • RESTATE THIS.
  • 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:29.130
  • YOU'RE SAYING LIFE AND
  • 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:30.120
  • CONSCIOUSNESS -- LET'S--
  • 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:32.070
  • LET'S STOP TRYING TO GROUP
  • 00:20:32.070 --> 00:20:33.120
  • THAT ALL TOGETHER AND THINK
  • 00:20:33.120 --> 00:20:35.030
  • OF THAT AS IMMATERIAL,
  • 00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:37.020
  • MAYBE...SPIRITUAL?
  • 00:20:37.020 --> 00:20:37.170
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YES, TOTALLY.
  • 00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:38.080
  • - DAVID: AND THEN, INSTEAD OF
  • 00:20:38.080 --> 00:20:39.260
  • TRYING TO OVERLAP THIS WHOLE
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:41.160
  • IDEA OF BIOLOGY AND
  • 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:42.220
  • ENGINEERING, WELL, IF WE HAVE A
  • 00:20:42.220 --> 00:20:45.000
  • GRAND ENGINEER, WELL, THEN, ALL
  • 00:20:45.040 --> 00:20:48.040
  • OF BIOLOGY SHOULD FIT WITHIN
  • 00:20:48.040 --> 00:20:49.260
  • THAT ENGINEERING...PRINCIPLE.
  • 00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:51.260
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:20:51.260 --> 00:20:52.170
  • ALL OF THOSE BIOLOGICAL
  • 00:20:52.170 --> 00:20:53.130
  • FUNCTIONS -- THEIR FUNCTIONS
  • 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:54.180
  • SHOULD FIT IN--
  • 00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:55.160
  • - DAVID: WOW...
  • 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:56.060
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: --RECOGNIZING
  • 00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:58.020
  • THAT LIFE AND CONSCIOUSNESS
  • 00:20:58.020 --> 00:20:58.220
  • PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE
  • 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:00.110
  • EXPLAINED BY JUST PURE
  • 00:21:00.110 --> 00:21:02.170
  • BIOLOGY OR BY ENGINEERING.
  • 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:04.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:04.070 --> 00:21:04.220
  • ALL RIGHT, LET'S-- LET'S MAKE
  • 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:05.270
  • THIS PRACTICAL, NOW.
  • 00:21:05.270 --> 00:21:07.260
  • LET'S GET DOWN TO THE
  • 00:21:07.260 --> 00:21:08.250
  • NITTY-GRITTY AND LET'S LOOK AT,
  • 00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:09.270
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: YES, YES.
  • 00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:14.070
  • CAVEFISH ARE LIKE THOSE SAME
  • 00:21:14.070 --> 00:21:15.220
  • TYPES OF ORGANISMS.
  • 00:21:15.220 --> 00:21:16.100
  • YOU KNOW, IF THE LORD SAID
  • 00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:18.100
  • ORGANISMS NEEDED TO BE
  • 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:19.270
  • FRUITFUL, MULTIPLY, AND FILL
  • 00:21:19.270 --> 00:21:21.210
  • THE EARTH, THAT MEANT CAVES,
  • 00:21:21.210 --> 00:21:23.080
  • TOO.
  • 00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:23.230
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND NOT JUST
  • 00:21:25.010 --> 00:21:25.220
  • FOR FISH, BUT FOR OTHER
  • 00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:26.100
  • CREATURES.
  • 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:26.210
  • - DAVID: THAT'S TRUE.
  • 00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:27.100
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: SO, HOW DOES
  • 00:21:27.100 --> 00:21:28.010
  • THAT HAPPEN?
  • 00:21:28.010 --> 00:21:28.130
  • WELL, INTERESTINGLY, WE CAN NOW
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:29.160
  • LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS IN
  • 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.240
  • CAVEFISH.
  • 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.060
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND, IT'S
  • 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.080
  • NOT THIS SLOW, SURVIVAL-,
  • 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:37.040
  • DEATH-DRIVEN PROCESS WHERE
  • 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:38.080
  • THEY'RE LOSING INFORMATION OVER
  • 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:39.030
  • TIME.
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:40.160
  • SOME RESEARCHERS IN 2013 WERE
  • 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:41.170
  • ABLE TO FIND OUT THAT THESE
  • 00:21:41.170 --> 00:21:43.140
  • FISH CAN DETECT CHANGES IN THE
  • 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:44.210
  • CAVE.
  • 00:21:44.210 --> 00:21:47.060
  • THEY'RE DETECTING, ACTUALLY,
  • 00:21:47.060 --> 00:21:49.160
  • CONDUCTIVITY IN THE CHANGE IN
  • 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.130
  • THE WATER.
  • 00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:51.230
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:21:51.230 --> 00:21:52.110
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WOW, THAT'S
  • 00:21:52.110 --> 00:21:53.010
  • QUITE INCREDIBLE.
  • 00:21:53.010 --> 00:21:53.160
  • AND WHEN THOSE LITTLE EGGS ARE
  • 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.080
  • DEVELOPING, WHEN THEY DETECT
  • 00:21:55.080 --> 00:21:56.080
  • THAT, DIFFERENT PARTS OF THEIR
  • 00:21:56.080 --> 00:21:58.090
  • DEVELOPMENTAL PROGRAM ARE
  • 00:21:58.090 --> 00:22:00.050
  • AND, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WITHIN
  • 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:03.250
  • JUST ONE GENERATION THEY CAN GO
  • 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:05.160
  • FROM SIGHTED TO BLIND BY
  • 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:08.090
  • DETECTING THEIR CONDITIONS.
  • 00:22:08.090 --> 00:22:09.140
  • REGULATED, RAPID, AND
  • 00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:12.010
  • REPEATABLE -- JUST WHAT WE'D
  • 00:22:12.010 --> 00:22:13.210
  • EXPECT FROM A DESIGN MECHANISM.
  • 00:22:13.210 --> 00:22:15.120
  • - DAVID: OKAY, SO, FISH LIVING
  • 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:17.140
  • IN CAVES ARE LIKE OTHER FISH...
  • 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:20.050
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: MM-HMM.
  • 00:22:20.050 --> 00:22:21.110
  • - DAVID: ...BUT MANY TIMES
  • 00:22:21.110 --> 00:22:22.110
  • THEY ARE SIGHTLESS.
  • 00:22:22.110 --> 00:22:23.080
  • MANY TIMES, THEY HAVE LOST THE
  • 00:22:23.080 --> 00:22:25.090
  • FUNCTION OF THEIR SWIM BLADDER,
  • 00:22:25.090 --> 00:22:26.240
  • THE ABILITY TO GO UP AND DOWN
  • 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.160
  • LONG DISTANCES VERY QUICKLY.
  • 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.260
  • MANY TIMES, THEY SORT OF LOST
  • 00:22:29.260 --> 00:22:32.240
  • WHAT-- APPARENTLY LOST THEIR
  • 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:33.140
  • PIGMENT...
  • 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:34.270
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: RIGHT.
  • 00:22:34.270 --> 00:22:35.280
  • - DAVID: ...THE COLORATION --
  • 00:22:35.280 --> 00:22:37.230
  • RIGHT? -- AND MANY OTHER
  • 00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:38.110
  • FEATURES.
  • 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.160
  • BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE
  • 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:42.060
  • MAY BE SENSORS BUILT INSIDE
  • 00:22:42.060 --> 00:22:43.260
  • ORGANISMS THAT CAN DETECT THEIR
  • 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:45.120
  • ENVIRONMENT AND...SWITCH OFF
  • 00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:49.210
  • THESE GENETIC SWITCHES.
  • 00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:51.250
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S EXACTLY
  • 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:52.170
  • RIGHT.
  • 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:53.030
  • WHEN WE'RE USING THE WORD
  • 00:22:53.030 --> 00:22:54.270
  • "OFF," OR "LOST," THEY MAY NOT
  • 00:22:54.270 --> 00:22:56.170
  • WHAT YOU MAY BE SEEING IS AN
  • 00:22:59.230 --> 00:23:02.100
  • EXPRESSION OF A TRAIT, THE
  • 00:23:02.100 --> 00:23:04.270
  • INFORMATION FROM THAT TRAIT,
  • 00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:05.170
  • WHICH WAS THERE ALL ALONG...
  • 00:23:05.170 --> 00:23:07.050
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:23:07.050 --> 00:23:07.180
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: ...AND WHEN IT
  • 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:08.100
  • DETECTS ITS CONDITION, IT TURNS
  • 00:23:08.100 --> 00:23:09.020
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.180
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: AND SO,
  • 00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:12.060
  • CREATION FOR THE 21ST
  • 00:23:12.060 --> 00:23:12.230
  • CENTURY...
  • 00:23:12.230 --> 00:23:13.140
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:13.290
  • ...IS LOOKING FOR THESE
  • 00:23:13.290 --> 00:23:15.080
  • INTERNAL MECHANISMS, WHEREBY
  • 00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:16.270
  • THEY CAN REGULATE AND
  • 00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:19.220
  • SELF-ADJUST OVER TIME TO
  • 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:21.020
  • MEET THEIR CONDITIONS.
  • 00:23:21.120 --> 00:23:24.120
  • IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE
  • 00:23:24.120 --> 00:23:25.080
  • FROM A DESIGN SYSTEM, ONLY FAR
  • 00:23:25.080 --> 00:23:26.190
  • MORE ELEGANT.
  • 00:23:26.190 --> 00:23:29.100
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:29.270
  • ONE MORE THING.
  • 00:23:29.270 --> 00:23:31.010
  • I HAVE A QUESTION.
  • 00:23:31.010 --> 00:23:31.280
  • WHAT IF YOU TOOK A CAVEFISH
  • 00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:33.140
  • FROM CAVE A OVER HERE AND A
  • 00:23:33.140 --> 00:23:35.280
  • CAVEFISH FROM CAVE B OVER HERE
  • 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:36.210
  • AND YOU PUT THEM BOTH IN A
  • 00:23:36.210 --> 00:23:38.100
  • FISHBOWL?
  • 00:23:38.100 --> 00:23:38.280
  • WHAT ABOUT THEIR OFFSPRING?
  • 00:23:38.280 --> 00:23:39.270
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WELL, IF THEY
  • 00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:41.140
  • WERE ALREADY BLIND, I DON'T
  • 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:43.090
  • KNOW IF THEIR OFFSPRING WOULD
  • 00:23:43.090 --> 00:23:44.170
  • HAVE EYES AT ALL.
  • 00:23:44.170 --> 00:23:46.100
  • AND THAT'S AN EXPERIMENT THAT
  • 00:23:46.100 --> 00:23:47.010
  • HASN'T BEEN DONE.
  • 00:23:47.010 --> 00:23:48.180
  • BUT I DO KNOW YOU COULD TAKE
  • 00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.130
  • A CAVEFISH AND MATE IT WITH
  • 00:23:49.130 --> 00:23:51.140
  • A SIGHTED FISH --
  • 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:52.120
  • AND THEY WILL STILL MATE -- AND
  • 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.000
  • THE OFFSPRING WILL HAVE EYES.
  • 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:56.210
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:23:56.210 --> 00:23:57.040
  • IN ONE GENERATION?
  • 00:23:57.040 --> 00:23:57.190
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: IN ONE
  • 00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:58.070
  • GENERATION, YES.
  • 00:23:58.070 --> 00:23:58.210
  • - DAVID: IN ONE GENERATION.
  • 00:23:58.210 --> 00:23:59.110
  • [INHALES]
  • 00:23:59.110 --> 00:24:00.120
  • I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR
  • 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:01.240
  • RESEARCH.
  • 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.110
  • AND THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE
  • 00:24:03.110 --> 00:24:04.000
  • PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.150
  • IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT
  • 00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:07.010
  • REALLY BEEN TOUCHED ON.
  • 00:24:07.010 --> 00:24:09.190
  • AND, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE
  • 00:24:09.190 --> 00:24:11.140
  • FROM SORT OF A PERSPECTIVE OF
  • 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:12.100
  • DARWINIAN EVOLUTION, TRYING TO
  • 00:24:12.100 --> 00:24:14.000
  • INCORPORATE THIS-- THE IDEAS,
  • 00:24:15.050 --> 00:24:18.050
  • THE NATURALISTIC IDEAS THAT HE
  • 00:24:18.050 --> 00:24:18.260
  • ESPOUSED.
  • 00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:21.020
  • AND YET, THE BIBLE GIVES US THE
  • 00:24:21.020 --> 00:24:22.250
  • KEY.
  • 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:23.260
  • IT SAYS THAT CREATURES WERE
  • 00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:25.070
  • CREATED ACCORDING TO THEIR
  • 00:24:25.070 --> 00:24:26.090
  • KIND, WHICH IMPLIES THAT THEY
  • 00:24:26.090 --> 00:24:28.280
  • WERE GIVEN DIVERSITY TO ADAPT
  • 00:24:28.280 --> 00:24:31.090
  • TO THEIR SURROUNDINGS, TO A
  • 00:24:31.090 --> 00:24:33.030
  • CERTAIN EXTENT, IN THEIR
  • 00:24:33.030 --> 00:24:34.090
  • GENETIC BOUNDARIES.
  • 00:24:34.090 --> 00:24:35.110
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:24:35.110 --> 00:24:36.100
  • THEY JUST-- THEY SHOW FEATURES
  • 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:39.040
  • CORRESPONDING TO HUMAN MANMADE
  • 00:24:39.040 --> 00:24:39.250
  • THINGS AND THEY SHOW ELEMENTS
  • 00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:41.090
  • OF WORKMANSHIP.
  • 00:24:41.090 --> 00:24:43.150
  • AND THEY SELF-ADJUST.
  • 00:24:43.150 --> 00:24:45.120
  • AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND HOW
  • 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:47.030
  • WE NEED TO SEE CREATURES AS IF
  • 00:24:47.030 --> 00:24:49.060
  • DARWIN HAD NEVER BEEN BORN?
  • 00:24:49.060 --> 00:24:50.120
  • NOT AS PASSIVE MODELING CLAY
  • 00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:51.210
  • BEING SHAPED BY THEIR
  • 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.010
  • ENVIRONMENT, BUT AS THESE
  • 00:24:54.010 --> 00:24:55.160
  • ACTIVE, PROBLEM-SOLVING
  • 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:56.220
  • ENTITIES WHICH ARE ABLE TO
  • 00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:58.120
  • DETECT THESE ENVIRONMENTAL
  • 00:24:58.120 --> 00:24:59.200
  • CHALLENGES, SOLVE 'EM AND
  • 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.040
  • ACTIVELY FILL THE EARTH.
  • 00:25:01.040 --> 00:25:03.030
  • - DAVID: AMAZING.
  • 00:25:03.030 --> 00:25:03.270
  • THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
  • 00:25:03.270 --> 00:25:05.030
  • LISTEN, BEFORE YOU GO, WOULD
  • 00:25:05.030 --> 00:25:06.070
  • YOU TACKLE A QUESTION FROM ONE
  • 00:25:06.070 --> 00:25:07.200
  • OF OUR VIEWERS?
  • 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.160
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: OH, I'D LOVE
  • 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.120
  • TO.
  • 00:25:09.120 --> 00:25:09.240
  • - FEMALE ON CAMERA: WHY DO
  • 00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:15.030
  • BIOLOGISTS DEFEND NATURAL
  • 00:25:15.030 --> 00:25:17.080
  • SELECTION SO PASSIONATELY?
  • 00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:19.180
  • - DR. GULIUZZA: WHEN DARWIN
  • 00:25:22.050 --> 00:25:22.250
  • CAME UP WITH THE THEORY OF
  • 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:23.150
  • NATURAL SELECTION, IT WAS MORE
  • 00:25:23.150 --> 00:25:24.060
  • THAN JUST A WAY TO EXPLAIN HOW
  • 00:25:24.060 --> 00:25:26.200
  • ORGANISMS ADAPT.
  • 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.290
  • IT WAS REALLY A WAY OF LOOKING
  • 00:25:28.290 --> 00:25:30.120
  • AT THE WORLD.
  • 00:25:30.120 --> 00:25:32.160
  • WHEN HE INTRODUCED THAT
  • 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.120
  • CONCEPT, HE...CAME UP WITH THE
  • 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:34.250
  • IDEA THAT NATURE WAS ACTUALLY
  • 00:25:34.250 --> 00:25:36.180
  • MOLDING AND SHAPING ORGANISMS,
  • 00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:38.190
  • AND, NATURE WAS DOING THAT
  • 00:25:38.190 --> 00:25:41.150
  • THROUGH HIS PROCESS OF NATURAL
  • 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:42.250
  • SELECTION.
  • 00:25:42.250 --> 00:25:44.000
  • HE ASCRIBES THE ABILITY, OR
  • 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.200
  • PROJECTS ONTO NATURE THE
  • 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.010
  • ABILITY, TO SELECT FOR OR TO
  • 00:25:47.010 --> 00:25:48.200
  • SELECT AGAINST.
  • 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.030
  • AND THIS BECOMES A WAY OF
  • 00:25:50.030 --> 00:25:52.010
  • LOOKING AT NATURE.
  • 00:25:52.010 --> 00:25:54.040
  • EVERYTHING REVOLVES IN THIS
  • 00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:56.060
  • VIEW AROUND NATURE SELECTING
  • 00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:58.110
  • FOR OR AGAINST ONE ORGANISM OR
  • 00:25:58.110 --> 00:26:00.030
  • ANOTHER.
  • 00:26:00.030 --> 00:26:02.060
  • IT BECOMES THE WAY THAT
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  • ADAPTATION IS EXPLAINED.
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  • IT BECOMES THE WAY THAT THE
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  • RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TWO
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  • ORGANISMS IS EXPLAINED.
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  • IT BECOMES THE WAY WHERE ALL OF
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  • LIFE IS EXPLAINED BY THIS.
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  • AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE EVEN TAKEN
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  • THIS IDEA OF NATURAL SELECTION
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  • AND EXTENDED IT TO THE
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  • COSMOLOGICAL REALM, WHERE THE
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  • ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE BEGAN
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  • WITH A BIG BANG AND THEN WAS
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  • SEPARATED OUT THROUGH A TYPE OF
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  • COSMOLOGICAL NATURAL SELECTION.
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  • IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE
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  • FROM A VIEW WHICH EXPLAINS THE
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  • DIVERSITY OF LIFE WITHOUT A
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  • DESIGNER, BECAUSE OF THIS
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  • EXPLANATION, TO GOING BACK TO
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  • EXPLAINING IT BY A DESIGNER.
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  • IT BECOMES AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING
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  • [MUSIC INTERLUDE]
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  • - DAVID: CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY.
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  • YOU KNOW, THE MODERN
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  • DISCOVERIES GOING ON IN SCIENCE
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  • AND GENETICS AND ALL OF THE
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  • FIELDS OF BIOLOGY RIGHT NOW ARE
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  • SO EXCITING BECAUSE THEY ARE
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  • POINTING US BACK TO OUR CREATOR
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  • AND TO OUR SAVIOR,
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  • JESUS CHRIST.
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  • I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN US NEXT WEEK
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  • ON "CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY."
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
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  • KEEP LOOKING UP.
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  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
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  • GLORY OF GOD.
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  • [CLOSING THEME PLAYS]
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