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Life Today with James Robison | Ron Carpenter;Hope Carpenter - Fight To Win | December 17, 2024
- Coming up, ron and hope carpenter
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- Describe the arduous fight for their marriage
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- After adultery.
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- >> i remember leaning over the desk and that ugly cry.
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- You know! aah! ugly cry.
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- And ron said, "oh, no, no, no!"
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- "i don't know what this means."
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- He said, "i don't know what this looks like or means."
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- I said, "but i do!"
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- I said, "that's all i needed."
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- God gave me my miracle
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- And it was that day that we started our restoration.
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- ♪
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- Randy: welcome to life today !
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- Randy: welcome to life today ! i'm randy robison.
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- I'm randy robison. and tammy is not with me today
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- And tammy is not with me today because she is
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- Because she is actually overseas.
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- Very exciting opportunities
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- Very exciting opportunities in the future with her.
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- Very exciting opportunities in the future with her. but today,
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- In the future with her. but today, we have something special
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- But today, we have something special for you.
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- We have something special for you. i don't know where you're at.
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- For you. i don't know where you're at. i don't know
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- I don't know where you're at. i don't know what you're facing
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- I don't know what you're facing but i can tell you this,
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- What you're facing but i can tell you this, if you want victory today
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- But i can tell you this, if you want victory today in your life,
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- If you want victory today in your life, you're going to have
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- In your life, you're going to have to fight for it.
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- You're going to have to fight for it. and that's not bad news,
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- To fight for it. and that's not bad news, that's good news.
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- And that's not bad news, that's good news. and we've got some
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- That's good news. and we've got some encouragement for you today.
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- And we've got some encouragement for you today. my guests are
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- Encouragement for you today. my guests are ron and hope carpenter.
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- My guests are ron and hope carpenter. hope has a new book out.
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- Ron and hope carpenter. hope has a new book out. it's called
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- Hope has a new book out. it's called if you don't fight
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- It's called if you don't fight then you don't win .
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- If you don't fight then you don't win . there she is putting it
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- Then you don't win . there she is putting it right out there.
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- There she is putting it right out there. but they've got a story
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- Right out there. but they've got a story where they've had to fight.
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- But they've got a story where they've had to fight. fight for their church,
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- Where they've had to fight. fight for their church, fight for their marriage,
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- Fight for their church, fight for their marriage, fight for their very souls.
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- Fight for their marriage, fight for their very souls. so, you're going
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- Fight for their very souls. so, you're going to be encouraged
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- So, you're going to be encouraged as you listen to them.
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- To be encouraged as you listen to them. i invite you to lean in
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- As you listen to them. i invite you to lean in and accept god's hope
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- I invite you to lean in and accept god's hope and word for you today.
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- And accept god's hope and word for you today. ron and hope,
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- And word for you today. ron and hope, great to have you
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- Ron and hope, great to have you on the program!
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- Great to have you on the program! hope: yes!
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- On the program! hope: yes! so good to be here, randy.
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- Ron: thank you for having us.
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- By the way,
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- By the way, if you missed that program
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- If you missed that program you can go to lifetoday.org
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- You can go to lifetoday.org and catch up
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- And catch up on all the programs.
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- On all the programs. but for people
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- But for people that don't really know
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- You guys have faced,
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- You guys have faced, give us a brief version
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- You guys have faced, give us a brief version of that.
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- Give us a brief version of that. hope: because we don't have
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- Of that. hope: because we don't have all day, do we?
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- Hope: because we don't have all day, do we? ron: it's like a mini-series.
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- Your whole life
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- Your whole life has been a struggle?
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- Has been a struggle? i feel like for us
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- I feel like for us it seems like everything
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- It seems like everything that we have tried to do,
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- We get that john 10:10,
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- We get that john 10:10, the thief comes to steal,
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- We get that john 10:10, the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy
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- The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy wind in our face.
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- Kill, and destroy wind in our face. but you know,
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- Wind in our face. but you know, once we have embraced that,
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- But you know, once we have embraced that, that there are not just roses
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- Once we have embraced that, that there are not just roses popping up all over your path
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- That there are not just roses popping up all over your path when you say yes to jesus,
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- Popping up all over your path when you say yes to jesus, that you do have an adversary,
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- When you say yes to jesus, that you do have an adversary, that we have an enemy.
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- That you do have an adversary, that we have an enemy. sometimes, the enemy is us
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- That we have an enemy. sometimes, the enemy is us in our dumb mistakes,
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- Sometimes, the enemy is us in our dumb mistakes, and some of that
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- In our dumb mistakes, and some of that has been our story.
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- And some of that has been our story. you just embrace it and say,
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- Has been our story. you just embrace it and say, i am on this journey
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- You just embrace it and say, i am on this journey and i'm going to win.
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- I am on this journey and i'm going to win. because the other option is
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- And i'm going to win. because the other option is to what?
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- Because the other option is to what? to fail, to just give up.
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- To what? to fail, to just give up. we're not going to do that.
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- To fail, to just give up. we're not going to do that. we have had some journey,
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- We're not going to do that. we have had some journey, haven't we?
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- We have had some journey, haven't we? randy: we've seen
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- Haven't we? randy: we've seen a lot of failure,
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- Randy: we've seen a lot of failure, and we hear about them
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- A lot of failure, and we hear about them on the news on social media
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- And we hear about them on the news on social media within churches.
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- On the news on social media within churches. this whole thing
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- Within churches. this whole thing almost completely fell apart.
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- This whole thing almost completely fell apart. hope: it did.
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- Almost completely fell apart. hope: it did. randy: tell us what happened.
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- Hope: it did. randy: tell us what happened. hope: well, it started back
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- Randy: tell us what happened. hope: well, it started back honestly, if we had time
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- Hope: well, it started back honestly, if we had time i can go back.
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- Honestly, if we had time i can go back. had no idea --
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- I can go back. had no idea -- had no idea, randy,
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- Had no idea -- had no idea, randy, that the way i was raised
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- Had no idea, randy, that the way i was raised would really affect
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- That the way i was raised would really affect who i was as an adult.
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- Would really affect who i was as an adult. i thought
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- Who i was as an adult. i thought when i changed my last name,
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- I thought when i changed my last name, changed my address,
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- When i changed my last name, changed my address, and got that ring on my finger
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- Changed my address, and got that ring on my finger everything was going to be
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- And got that ring on my finger everything was going to be absolutely glorious.
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- Everything was going to be absolutely glorious. for a while it was.
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- Absolutely glorious. for a while it was. but i could feel the inferno
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- For a while it was. but i could feel the inferno kind of growing
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- But i could feel the inferno kind of growing on the inside of me,
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- Kind of growing on the inside of me, the anxiety.
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- On the inside of me, the anxiety. the perfection,
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- The anxiety. the perfection, feeling like i had to be
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- The perfection, feeling like i had to be perfect at everything,
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- Feeling like i had to be perfect at everything, smile at everything,
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- Perfect at everything, smile at everything, never show any feelings.
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- Smile at everything, never show any feelings. in about 15 years,
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- Never show any feelings. in about 15 years, in about 2004,
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- In about 15 years, in about 2004, i woke up one day
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- In about 2004, i woke up one day and really exploded.
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- I woke up one day and really exploded. just like i can't live
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- And really exploded. just like i can't live like this anymore.
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- Just like i can't live like this anymore. didn't know what that meant
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- Like this anymore. didn't know what that meant but just knew that
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- Didn't know what that meant but just knew that what i was feeling
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- But just knew that what i was feeling on the inside
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- What i was feeling on the inside was coming out,
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- On the inside was coming out, and it is going to come out
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- Was coming out, and it is going to come out sideways in an ugly way.
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- And it is going to come out sideways in an ugly way. ron: let me give
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- Sideways in an ugly way. ron: let me give some context to that.
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- Ron: let me give some context to that. she had never spoken with me
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- Some context to that. she had never spoken with me about the things,
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- She had never spoken with me about the things, about the traumatic things
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- When she met me,
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- When she met me, i was already a preacher boy.
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- I was already a preacher boy. i was already in bible school.
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- I was already in bible school. she didn't want me
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- She didn't want me to know the downside,
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- That she had been raised in.
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- That she had been raised in. so, i had no clue.
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- That she had been raised in. so, i had no clue. i just knew i had this woman
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- So, i had no clue. i just knew i had this woman that was changing,
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- I just knew i had this woman that was changing, and i didn't know
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- That was changing, and i didn't know what was wrong
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- And i didn't know what was wrong and i didn't know
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- What was wrong and i didn't know how to fix it.
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- And i didn't know how to fix it. the fact is we grew
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- How to fix it. the fact is we grew a very large church,
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- The fact is we grew a very large church, god blessed us
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- A very large church, god blessed us in a very small city.
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- God blessed us in a very small city. the city had 80,000 people
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- In a very small city. the city had 80,000 people and we had 22,000 members,
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- The city had 80,000 people and we had 22,000 members, so a quarter of the people
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- And we had 22,000 members, so a quarter of the people went to our church.
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- So a quarter of the people went to our church. and so that only magnified --
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- Went to our church. and so that only magnified -- i mean we lived
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- And so that only magnified -- i mean we lived in a glass house,
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- I mean we lived in a glass house, and everybody had an opinion.
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- In a glass house, and everybody had an opinion. and everywhere we went,
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- And everybody had an opinion. and everywhere we went, everybody knew us.
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- And everywhere we went, everybody knew us. so, what was in her --
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- Everybody knew us. so, what was in her -- when you've got
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- So, what was in her -- when you've got a cracked foundation
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- When you've got a cracked foundation and you start putting
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- A cracked foundation and you start putting more weight on it,
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- And you start putting more weight on it, it just splits.
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- More weight on it, it just splits. so that was a little bit
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- It just splits. so that was a little bit about what was happening,
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- So that was a little bit about what was happening, the pressure cooker
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- About what was happening, the pressure cooker in her life.
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- The pressure cooker in her life. randy: what did that split
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- In her life. randy: what did that split look like?
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- Randy: what did that split look like? hope: well, it looked like
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- Look like? hope: well, it looked like that day i went and bought
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- Hope: well, it looked like that day i went and bought three secular cd's.
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- That day i went and bought three secular cd's. oooouh!
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- Three secular cd's. oooouh! that was taboo in my world.
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- Oooouh! that was taboo in my world. i bought a six pack of beer
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- That was taboo in my world. i bought a six pack of beer and a bikini,
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- I bought a six pack of beer and a bikini, had never done that
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- It was my way of saying,
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- It was my way of saying, i need to figure out
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- I need to figure out life myself.
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- Life myself. i need to figure out
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- I need to figure out
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- I need to figure out what's wrong for hope.
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- I need to figure out what's wrong for hope. not what my mom says,
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- What's wrong for hope. not what my mom says, my dad says, the church says,
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- Not what my mom says, my dad says, the church says, the denomination, my husband,
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- My dad says, the church says, the denomination, my husband, all of that.
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- The denomination, my husband, all of that. because i'd never
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- All of that. because i'd never been allowed, honestly,
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- Because i'd never been allowed, honestly, even in my teenage years
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- Been allowed, honestly, even in my teenage years to make any decisions.
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- Even in my teenage years to make any decisions. randy: if it had stopped
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- To make any decisions. randy: if it had stopped there, you probably would
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- Randy: if it had stopped there, you probably would have had no problems.
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- There, you probably would have had no problems. hope: but you know
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- Have had no problems. hope: but you know sin doesn't stop there,
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- Hope: but you know sin doesn't stop there, does it?
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- Sin doesn't stop there, does it? randy: is that what it was?
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- Does it? randy: is that what it was? it was acting out,
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- Randy: is that what it was? it was acting out, rebellion in you?
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- It was acting out, rebellion in you? hope: i think it was.
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- Rebellion in you? hope: i think it was. i really do.
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- Hope: i think it was. i really do. i believe any time
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- I really do. i believe any time we want to do life our own way
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- I believe any time we want to do life our own way and not god's way
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- We want to do life our own way and not god's way we're on a slippery slope.
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- And not god's way we're on a slippery slope. so, ended up in places
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- We're on a slippery slope. so, ended up in places i shouldn't have been
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- So, ended up in places i shouldn't have been with people
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- I shouldn't have been with people i shouldn't have been with.
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- With people i shouldn't have been with. i was unfaithful
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- I shouldn't have been with. i was unfaithful to my husband.
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- I was unfaithful to my husband. this was nine years
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- To my husband. this was nine years back and forth
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- This was nine years back and forth of just trying --
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- Back and forth of just trying -- and then imagine the pressure,
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- Of just trying -- and then imagine the pressure, randy, of loving jesus
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- And then imagine the pressure, randy, of loving jesus but doing that too.
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- Randy, of loving jesus but doing that too. because i really did
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- But doing that too. because i really did love jesus.
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- Because i really did love jesus. i really was committed to him
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- Love jesus. i really was committed to him and wanted to serve him.
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- I really was committed to him and wanted to serve him. but i was so confused
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- And wanted to serve him. but i was so confused with who i was as a human,
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- But i was so confused with who i was as a human, as a person;
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- With who i was as a human, as a person; and what was right
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- As a person; and what was right and what was wrong.
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- Randy: what's funny,
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- Randy: what's funny, and i mean that more like odd,
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- And i mean that more like odd, is that we do
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- Is that we do that kind of thing
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- That kind of thing searching for some kind
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- But that distance
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- But that distance that's inside
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- But that distance that's inside is the most miserable place.
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- That's inside is the most miserable place. is it not?
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- Is the most miserable place. is it not? hope: it was awful.
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- Is it not? hope: it was awful. ron: what you run to
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- Hope: it was awful. ron: what you run to to find the peace usually
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- Ron: what you run to to find the peace usually becomes a heavier weight
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- To find the peace usually becomes a heavier weight than what you're running from.
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- Becomes a heavier weight than what you're running from. i think she found that
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- Than what you're running from. i think she found that to happen in her life.
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- I think she found that to happen in her life. in this nine-year period --
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- To happen in her life. in this nine-year period -- you have to understand,
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- In this nine-year period -- you have to understand, i loved my wife.
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- You have to understand, i loved my wife. i'm not one of these guys,
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- I loved my wife. i'm not one of these guys, i love one person,
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- I'm not one of these guys, i love one person, i'm getting married one time
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- I love one person, i'm getting married one time and i adored this woman.
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- I'm getting married one time and i adored this woman. but something was bad wrong.
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- And i adored this woman. but something was bad wrong. so, then i had to try
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- But something was bad wrong. so, then i had to try to be a buffer
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- So, then i had to try to be a buffer because i'm trying
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- Or turns around or whatever
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- Or turns around or whatever it is that needed to happen.
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- It is that needed to happen. but i didn't want it to
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- But i didn't want it to get out to the church public
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- Get out to the church public because our ministry,
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- Because our ministry, at least in that area
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- During the middle of all this,
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- During the middle of all this, we went on tbn,
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- During the middle of all this, we went on tbn, we started going
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- We went on tbn, we started going on international tv.
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- We started going on international tv. so, the intensity
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- On international tv. so, the intensity just got worse.
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- So, the intensity just got worse. while she was spiraling
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- Just got worse. while she was spiraling in a downward spiral,
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- While she was spiraling in a downward spiral, we were exploding.
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- In a downward spiral, we were exploding. so, you've got
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- We were exploding. so, you've got this best of times
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- So, you've got this best of times but worst of times happening
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- This best of times but worst of times happening at the same time.
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- But worst of times happening at the same time. hope: such a plan
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- At the same time. hope: such a plan of the enemy.
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- Hope: such a plan of the enemy. he's so strategic.
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- Of the enemy. he's so strategic. ron: but i knew
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- He's so strategic. ron: but i knew something was wrong.
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- Ron: but i knew something was wrong. i didn't know what was wrong,
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- Something was wrong. i didn't know what was wrong, but i knew
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- I didn't know what was wrong, but i knew something was wrong.
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- But i knew something was wrong. she would be asleep at night,
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- Something was wrong. she would be asleep at night, and i would lay my hands,
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- She would be asleep at night, and i would lay my hands, i wouldn't touch her,
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- And i would lay my hands, i wouldn't touch her, just over her head and like,
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- I wouldn't touch her, just over her head and like, "god bring her back to me.
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- Just over her head and like, "god bring her back to me. i don't know what's going on.
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- "god bring her back to me. i don't know what's going on. i don't know where she is,
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- I don't know what's going on. i don't know where she is, i don't know
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- I don't know where she is, i don't know what she's thinking
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- I don't know what she's thinking but bring my wife back to me."
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- Hope: i have
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- Hope: i have such a good husband.
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- Hope: i have such a good husband. yeah!
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- Such a good husband. yeah! one day i want to be like ron
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- I really do.
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- I really do. randy: scripture says
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- As christ loved the church.
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- As christ loved the church. the church's story
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- As christ loved the church. the church's story is one of waywardness
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- The church's story is one of waywardness and unfaithfulness.
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- Is one of waywardness and unfaithfulness. what a picture of love
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- And unfaithfulness. what a picture of love right there.
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- What a picture of love right there. without going through
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- Right there. without going through all the details,
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- Without going through all the details, what was the book where
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- All the details, what was the book where you do go into the details.
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- What was the book where you do go into the details. hope: the most
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- You do go into the details. hope: the most beautiful disaster .
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- Hope: the most beautiful disaster . randy: the most
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- Beautiful disaster . randy: the most beautiful disaster .
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- Randy: the most beautiful disaster . so, if someone wants
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- Beautiful disaster . so, if someone wants to read through it just
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- So, if someone wants to read through it just to try to get some help --
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- To read through it just to try to get some help -- but at what point
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- To try to get some help -- but at what point did the love of your husband,
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- But at what point did the love of your husband, of christ, and this idea of,
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- Did the love of your husband, of christ, and this idea of, okay, we're not going
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- Of christ, and this idea of, okay, we're not going to let this thing
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- Okay, we're not going to let this thing just be destroyed.
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- To let this thing just be destroyed. we're going to fight
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- Just be destroyed. we're going to fight to restore, fight to heal,
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- We're going to fight to restore, fight to heal, fight to win.
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- To restore, fight to heal, fight to win. was there a specific
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- Fight to win. was there a specific turning point
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- Hope: well, i was
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- Hope: well, i was just totally miserable.
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- Just totally miserable. i had reached a place
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- I had reached a place of just utter desperation.
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- Of just utter desperation. just sick of myself,
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- The choices i'd made,
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- The choices i'd made, sick of hurting my husband,
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- The choices i'd made, sick of hurting my husband, my family.
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- Sick of hurting my husband, my family. didn't want to do it
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- My family. didn't want to do it but didn't know why i did it.
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- Didn't want to do it but didn't know why i did it. if i could have explained it,
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- But didn't know why i did it. if i could have explained it, it wouldn't have been
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- If i could have explained it, it wouldn't have been as maddening.
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- It wouldn't have been as maddening. but i didn't know
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- As maddening. but i didn't know why i was doing
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- But i didn't know why i was doing what i was doing.
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- Why i was doing what i was doing. so, in 2013, i came to him.
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- What i was doing. so, in 2013, i came to him. it just was crumbling.
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- So, in 2013, i came to him. it just was crumbling. i came to him and thought,
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- It just was crumbling. i came to him and thought, he's such a great man
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- I came to him and thought, he's such a great man he's going to help me.
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- He's such a great man he's going to help me. i'm going to come clean
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- He's going to help me. i'm going to come clean and i'm going
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- I'm going to come clean and i'm going to tell him everything,
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- And i'm going to tell him everything, and he's going
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- To tell him everything, and he's going to fix this for me.
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- And he's going to fix this for me. and i told him,
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- To fix this for me. and i told him, and he said,
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- And i told him, and he said, "you've got 30 minutes.
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- And he said, "you've got 30 minutes. get your stuff and get out."
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- "you've got 30 minutes. get your stuff and get out." but randy,
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- Get your stuff and get out." but randy, that's why i wrote that book,
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- But randy, that's why i wrote that book, the most beautiful disaster .
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- That's why i wrote that book, the most beautiful disaster . to the world
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- The most beautiful disaster . to the world it was the most horrible thing
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- To the world it was the most horrible thing that could happen but to me
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- It was the most horrible thing that could happen but to me it was where i hit rock bottom
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- That could happen but to me it was where i hit rock bottom and where i ran
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- It was where i hit rock bottom and where i ran right into the face
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- And where i ran right into the face of the unconditional love
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- Right into the face of the unconditional love of jesus
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- Of the unconditional love of jesus that i had never known.
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- Of jesus that i had never known. i had only known
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- That i had never known. i had only known conditional love.
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- I had only known conditional love. and i didn't understand
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- Conditional love. and i didn't understand god's unconditional love.
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- And i didn't understand god's unconditional love. that he loved me
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- God's unconditional love. that he loved me for who i was,
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- That he loved me for who i was, not for what i did
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- For who i was, not for what i did or didn't do right.
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- Not for what i did or didn't do right. it radically changed my life
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- Or didn't do right. it radically changed my life in 2013.
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- It radically changed my life in 2013. we struggled.
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- In 2013. we struggled. we were going
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- We struggled. we were going to get a divorce.
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- We were going to get a divorce. ron: it was
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- To get a divorce. ron: it was a whole different story then.
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- Ron: it was a whole different story then. hope: yeah,
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- A whole different story then. hope: yeah, i'm doing good,
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- Hope: yeah, i'm doing good, ron's not doing well.
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- I'm doing good, ron's not doing well. ron: you have to understand
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- Ron's not doing well. ron: you have to understand that nine years
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- Ron: you have to understand that nine years is a long time.
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- That nine years is a long time. this wasn't a summer.
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- Is a long time. this wasn't a summer. this was almost a decade.
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- This wasn't a summer. this was almost a decade. the toll --
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- This was almost a decade. the toll -- the toll of covering,
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- The toll of suspecting
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- The toll of suspecting but not knowing.
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- But not knowing. hope: the betrayal --
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- Hope: the betrayal -- all of it.
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- All of it. ron: yes.
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- Ron: yes. and then when you finally
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- You've been suspecting
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- You've been suspecting and all the collateral damage,
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- You've been suspecting and all the collateral damage, the bomb goes off:
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- And all the collateral damage, the bomb goes off: the humiliation,
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- The bomb goes off: the humiliation, half the church walks out,
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- The humiliation, half the church walks out, and social media blows you up.
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- Half the church walks out, and social media blows you up. your kids won't speak,
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- And social media blows you up. your kids won't speak, and they go into school
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- Your kids won't speak, and they go into school and get heckled.
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- And they go into school and get heckled. they run up
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- And get heckled. they run up and slam the doors
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- They run up and slam the doors when they get home
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- And slam the doors when they get home and won't talk.
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- When they get home and won't talk. it was awful
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- And won't talk. it was awful with a capital a.
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- It was awful with a capital a. it was awful.
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- With a capital a. it was awful. and i loved her so much,
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- It was awful. and i loved her so much, that's why it hurt so bad
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- And i loved her so much, that's why it hurt so bad that i found a place
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- That's why it hurt so bad that i found a place for her to receive ministry.
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- That i found a place for her to receive ministry. but as far as --
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- For her to receive ministry. but as far as -- i had no more energy.
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- But as far as -- i had no more energy. the thought
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- I had no more energy. the thought of climbing that mountain
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- The thought of climbing that mountain of rebuilding trust
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- Of climbing that mountain of rebuilding trust after the nine years that
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- Of rebuilding trust after the nine years that we had already been through,
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- After the nine years that we had already been through, i couldn't see it.
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- We had already been through, i couldn't see it. so didn't want anybody else,
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- I couldn't see it. so didn't want anybody else, didn't desire anybody else but
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- So didn't want anybody else, didn't desire anybody else but i just like i can't do this.
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- Didn't desire anybody else but i just like i can't do this. hope: wanted to be done.
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- I just like i can't do this. hope: wanted to be done. ron: in other words,
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- Hope: wanted to be done. ron: in other words, here where i was.
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- Ron: in other words, here where i was. loving you hurts too bad.
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- Here where i was. loving you hurts too bad. loving you is painful.
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- Loving you hurts too bad. loving you is painful. and so,
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- Loving you is painful. and so, i want you to be better.
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- And so, i want you to be better. i know something is wrong.
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- I want you to be better. i know something is wrong. she was emotionally
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- I know something is wrong. she was emotionally in a terrible place.
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- She was emotionally in a terrible place. i put her somewhere.
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- In a terrible place. i put her somewhere. i paid for that,
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- I put her somewhere. i paid for that, but i let her know
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- I paid for that, but i let her know as far as our marriage
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- But i let her know as far as our marriage i no longer seek
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- Randy: i completely
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- Randy: i completely understand that,
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- Understand that, i'm sure she does too.
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- I'm sure she does too. but i also know
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- But i also know that there are times
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- That there are times when you've got
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- Ron: i was there.
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- Ron: i was there. randy: i get it.
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- Ron: i was there. randy: i get it. so, when we talk about
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- Randy: i get it. so, when we talk about if you don't fight
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- So, when we talk about if you don't fight then you don't win ,
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- If you don't fight then you don't win , what happened in-between
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- Then you don't win , what happened in-between to get you back to where
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- What happened in-between to get you back to where you're willing to even --
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- To get you back to where you're willing to even -- you even have the strength
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- You're willing to even -- you even have the strength and the desire
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- You even have the strength and the desire to fight for a marriage?
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- And the desire to fight for a marriage? hope: well,
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- When i was just overwhelmed
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- When i was just overwhelmed by the love of the lord,
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- By the love of the lord, it just rejuvenated me.
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- All the brokenness
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- All the brokenness in almost a day.
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- All the brokenness in almost a day. really.
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- In almost a day. really. and then it was a journey
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- Really. and then it was a journey of recovery
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- And then it was a journey of recovery and changing my mind
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- Of recovery and changing my mind and getting strength
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- And changing my mind and getting strength and learning new patterns
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- And getting strength and learning new patterns of doing things.
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- And learning new patterns of doing things. ron: stayed there
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- Of doing things. ron: stayed there what seven months?
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- Ron: stayed there what seven months? hope: i stayed there
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- What seven months? hope: i stayed there nine months.
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- Hope: i stayed there nine months. i stayed
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- Nine months. i stayed at living waters ministry
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- I stayed at living waters ministry in north carolina
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- At living waters ministry in north carolina for nine months.
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- In north carolina for nine months. i just really was determined.
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- For nine months. i just really was determined. i said i'm not going to allow
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- I just really was determined. i said i'm not going to allow the enemy to win.
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- I said i'm not going to allow the enemy to win. because i know
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- The enemy to win. because i know that's the plot and plan
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- Because i know that's the plot and plan of the enemy
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- That's the plot and plan of the enemy is to destroy our home
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- Of the enemy is to destroy our home and destroy our witness
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- Is to destroy our home and destroy our witness and our testimony
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- And destroy our witness and our testimony and people's lives
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- And our testimony and people's lives and our children.
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- And people's lives and our children. i said if god's doing
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- And our children. i said if god's doing this supernatural work in me,
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- I said if god's doing this supernatural work in me, i'm believing
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- This supernatural work in me, i'm believing for a supernatural work
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- I'm believing for a supernatural work in our marriage.
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- For a supernatural work in our marriage. so, i did.
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- In our marriage. so, i did. i hunkered down
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- So, i did. i hunkered down and believed for it.
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- I hunkered down and believed for it. i began to pray and fast
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- And believed for it. i began to pray and fast and have people pray
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- I began to pray and fast and have people pray and fast with me.
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- And have people pray and fast with me. i would write to my children,
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- And fast with me. i would write to my children, we have three children,
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- I would write to my children, we have three children, i would write them letters
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- We have three children, i would write them letters individual letters
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- I would write them letters individual letters every single day
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- Individual letters every single day and mail them
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- Every single day and mail them at the end of the week.
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- And mail them at the end of the week. and in every one
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- At the end of the week. and in every one i would tell them,
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- And in every one i would tell them, "we're believing god
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- I would tell them, "we're believing god for a miracle.
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- "we're believing god for a miracle. don't you listen
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- For a miracle. don't you listen to your daddy!
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- Don't you listen to your daddy! we're believing god
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- To your daddy! we're believing god for a miracle."
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- We're believing god for a miracle." randy: it would be one thing
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- For a miracle." randy: it would be one thing if his posture was
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- Randy: it would be one thing if his posture was you go get yourself well,
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- If his posture was you go get yourself well, we'll bring you back.
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- You go get yourself well, we'll bring you back. but you had to have god
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- We'll bring you back. but you had to have god do a work in your heart.
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- But you had to have god do a work in your heart. ron: i was done.
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- Do a work in your heart. ron: i was done. i was really done.
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- I'm the kind of guy,
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- I'm the kind of guy, my lines don't move.
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- My lines don't move. when i make a decision,
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- When i make a decision, it doesn't change.
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- It doesn't change. so, she knew
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- So, she knew what she was dealing with.
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- What she was dealing with. i had a divine encounter.
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- Super-spiritual about things,
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- Super-spiritual about things, but the fact is
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- Super-spiritual about things, but the fact is i believe in the power
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- But the fact is i believe in the power of the holy spirit,
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- I believe in the power of the holy spirit, and i believe
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- Of the holy spirit, and i believe in divine encounters.
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- And i believe in divine encounters. it's probably the only thing
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- In divine encounters. it's probably the only thing that i respected enough
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- It's probably the only thing that i respected enough that could have changed me.
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- That i respected enough that could have changed me. i had a night --
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- That could have changed me. i had a night -- i had a jacob experience
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- I had a night -- i had a jacob experience where i just wrestled
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- I had a jacob experience where i just wrestled with god.
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- Where i just wrestled with god. the next morning
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- With god. the next morning you'd have thought
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- The next morning you'd have thought i had been in ten fights
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- You'd have thought i had been in ten fights and come off a ten-day drunk.
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- I had been in ten fights and come off a ten-day drunk. i called my secretary,
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- And come off a ten-day drunk. i called my secretary, cancelled all my appointments.
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- I called my secretary, cancelled all my appointments. i was miserable.
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- Cancelled all my appointments. i was miserable. i had been up all night.
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- I was miserable. i had been up all night. i was screaming
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- I had been up all night. i was screaming at the ceiling.
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- I was screaming at the ceiling. literally, one of these
- 00:14:54.817 --> 00:14:55.851
- At the ceiling. literally, one of these made-for-movie things.
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- Literally, one of these made-for-movie things. i had this all-night
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- Made-for-movie things. i had this all-night misery encounter with god.
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- I had this all-night misery encounter with god. and finally,
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- Misery encounter with god. and finally, screaming at the ceiling,
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- And finally, screaming at the ceiling, i was like,
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- Screaming at the ceiling, i was like, "what do you want me to do?"
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- I was like, "what do you want me to do?" he said,
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- "what do you want me to do?" he said, "i want you to call her."
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- He said, "i want you to call her." you've got to understand,
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- "i want you to call her." you've got to understand, we weren't speaking.
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- You've got to understand, we weren't speaking. hope: and if we were,
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- We weren't speaking. hope: and if we were, we were fighting.
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- Hope: and if we were, we were fighting. ron: the few times
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- We were fighting. ron: the few times we had to communicate,
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- Ron: the few times we had to communicate, it wasn't good.
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- We had to communicate, it wasn't good. he said,
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- It wasn't good. he said, "i want you to call her
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- He said, "i want you to call her and tell her
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- "i want you to call her and tell her you will not abandon her."
- 00:15:19.842 --> 00:15:21.110
- And tell her you will not abandon her." i'm going to tell you,
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- You will not abandon her." i'm going to tell you, that's something i did
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- I'm going to tell you, that's something i did by faith
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- That's something i did by faith because none of the feelings
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- By faith because none of the feelings were there to say that.
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- Because none of the feelings were there to say that. i did not want to do that.
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- Were there to say that. i did not want to do that. and tell them
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- I did not want to do that. and tell them what was going on
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- And tell them what was going on when you got that call.
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- What was going on when you got that call. hope: well, that had been
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- When you got that call. hope: well, that had been about two months
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- Hope: well, that had been about two months into the separation.
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- About two months into the separation. i was losing some hope
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- Into the separation. i was losing some hope at that point
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- I was losing some hope at that point because he was not wavering.
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- At that point because he was not wavering. i had lost 23 pounds,
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- Because he was not wavering. i had lost 23 pounds, i was just getting
- 00:15:46.969 --> 00:15:48.871
- I had lost 23 pounds, i was just getting very desperate;
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- I was just getting very desperate; that was from fasting
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- That day,
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- That day, i went on a walk,
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- I went on a walk, and it was
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- And it was a little country road.
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- And i said,
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- And i said, "lord, would you send
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- And i said, "lord, would you send a chicken truck"
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- "lord, would you send a chicken truck" because that's what
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- A chicken truck" because that's what was out there,
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- Because that's what was out there, "around the corner
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- Was out there, "around the corner and just kill me?
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- "around the corner and just kill me? could you just take me out?
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- And just kill me? could you just take me out? i'm causing these people
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- Could you just take me out? i'm causing these people too much pain.
- 00:16:16.598 --> 00:16:18.100
- I'm causing these people too much pain. nothing is working.
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- Too much pain. nothing is working. could you just take me out?"
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- Nothing is working. could you just take me out?" and immediately,
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- Could you just take me out?" and immediately, i saw a flower that had
- 00:16:23.705 --> 00:16:25.374
- And immediately, i saw a flower that had popped out of the concrete.
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- I saw a flower that had popped out of the concrete. i saw this beautiful bird
- 00:16:27.676 --> 00:16:29.178
- Popped out of the concrete. i saw this beautiful bird that had flown
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- I saw this beautiful bird that had flown out of this old hay pasture.
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- That had flown out of this old hay pasture. and he spoke to me
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- Out of this old hay pasture. and he spoke to me and said, "if i care for them,
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- And he spoke to me and said, "if i care for them, don't you know
- 00:16:36.885 --> 00:16:38.320
- And said, "if i care for them, don't you know that i care for you?
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- Don't you know that i care for you? and that i'm working
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- That i care for you? and that i'm working when you don't know
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- And that i'm working when you don't know that i'm working?"
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- When you don't know that i'm working?" and immediately,
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- That i'm working?" and immediately, hope sprang back up in me.
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- And immediately, hope sprang back up in me. i turned around, started
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- Hope sprang back up in me. i turned around, started walking back to the house
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- I turned around, started walking back to the house and the pastor came and said,
- 00:16:48.697 --> 00:16:49.798
- Walking back to the house and the pastor came and said, "i've been looking for you.
- 00:16:49.865 --> 00:16:51.033
- And the pastor came and said, "i've been looking for you. ron's called."
- 00:16:51.100 --> 00:16:52.434
- "i've been looking for you. ron's called." i was like, oh, no!
- 00:16:52.501 --> 00:16:53.602
- Ron's called." i was like, oh, no! i just got my hopes up.
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- I was like, oh, no! i just got my hopes up. now he's calling. it's bad.
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- I just got my hopes up. now he's calling. it's bad. what are you doing, god?
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- Now he's calling. it's bad. what are you doing, god? so, i went inside,
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- What are you doing, god? so, i went inside, tried to dry my face
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- So, i went inside, tried to dry my face and the lord took me
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- Tried to dry my face and the lord took me to the scriptures.
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- And the lord took me to the scriptures. god, you've got
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- To the scriptures. god, you've got to give me a word.
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- God, you've got to give me a word. and he took me
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- To give me a word. and he took me to the scripture in samuel
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- And he took me to the scripture in samuel where david
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- To the scripture in samuel where david was going to buy a field.
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- Where david was going to buy a field. and the guy was like, you
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- Was going to buy a field. and the guy was like, you don't have to pay anything,
- 00:17:12.754 --> 00:17:14.523
- And the guy was like, you don't have to pay anything, you're the king.
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- Don't have to pay anything, you're the king. and he said, "i will not
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- You're the king. and he said, "i will not offer anything to the lord
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- And he said, "i will not offer anything to the lord that does not cost me."
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- Offer anything to the lord that does not cost me." i said, "god,
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- That does not cost me." i said, "god, what are you saying to me?"
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- I said, "god, what are you saying to me?" he said,
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- What are you saying to me?" he said, "you've done everything
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- He said, "you've done everything but sow a seed."
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- "you've done everything but sow a seed." i said, "god,
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- But sow a seed." i said, "god, i don't have anything.
- 00:17:29.438 --> 00:17:30.572
- I said, "god, i don't have anything. all i have is a $1,000
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- I don't have anything. all i have is a $1,000 to my name.
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- All i have is a $1,000 to my name. i have $1,000 i put aside."
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- To my name. i have $1,000 i put aside." i had no credit cards,
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- I have $1,000 i put aside." i had no credit cards, i had no insurance,
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- I had no credit cards, i had no insurance, i had nothing.
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- I had no insurance, i had nothing. he told me to give it
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- I had nothing. he told me to give it to the people
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- He told me to give it to the people that i was staying with.
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- To the people that i was staying with. so, i went down there,
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- That i was staying with. so, i went down there, and i took the $1,000
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- So, i went down there, and i took the $1,000 and i told them the story,
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- And i took the $1,000 and i told them the story, slid it across the table.
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- And i told them the story, slid it across the table. i said, "i'm believing
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- Slid it across the table. i said, "i'm believing for a miracle."
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- I said, "i'm believing for a miracle." ron calls five minutes later
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- For a miracle." ron calls five minutes later and he said --
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- Ron calls five minutes later and he said -- told me the whole night.
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- And he said -- told me the whole night. and he said,
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- Told me the whole night. and he said, "and i've called to tell you
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- And he said, "and i've called to tell you that i will not abandon you."
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- "and i've called to tell you that i will not abandon you." and i just -- i remember
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- That i will not abandon you." and i just -- i remember leaning over onto the desk
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- And i just -- i remember leaning over onto the desk and that ugly cry.
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- Leaning over onto the desk and that ugly cry. aah! ugly cry!
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- And that ugly cry. aah! ugly cry! and ron said, "oh, no, no, no!
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- Aah! ugly cry! and ron said, "oh, no, no, no! i don't know what this means."
- 00:18:07.409 --> 00:18:08.777
- And ron said, "oh, no, no, no! i don't know what this means." [laughing]
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- I don't know what this means." [laughing] he said,
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- [laughing] he said, "i really don't know what
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- He said, "i really don't know what this looks like or means."
- 00:18:12.414 --> 00:18:13.549
- "i really don't know what this looks like or means." i said, "but i do!
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- This looks like or means." i said, "but i do! that's all i needed."
- 00:18:14.917 --> 00:18:16.185
- I said, "but i do! that's all i needed." god gave me my miracle.
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- That's all i needed." god gave me my miracle. and it was that day
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- God gave me my miracle. and it was that day that we started
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- And it was that day that we started our restoration.
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- Okay, there is
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- Okay, there is so much more to this.
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- So much more to this. i want you to know
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- I want you to know god has not abandoned you.
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- God has not abandoned you. i don't know where you're at.
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- I don't know where you're at. i don't know where you failed.
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- Who has failed you,
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- Who has failed you, but you feel like you're done.
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- Who has failed you, but you feel like you're done. or you feel
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- But you feel like you're done. or you feel like you're useless,
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- Or you feel like you're useless, that you just want to die.
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- Like you're useless, that you just want to die. what a word
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- That you just want to die. what a word from a husband to a wife!
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- What a word from a husband to a wife! a husband who doesn't
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- From a husband to a wife! a husband who doesn't have it within himself
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- A husband who doesn't have it within himself saying, "i'm not
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- Have it within himself saying, "i'm not going to abandon you."
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- Saying, "i'm not going to abandon you." that's god.
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- Going to abandon you." that's god. god's saying that
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- Right now.
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- Right now. if you want
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- If you want to pick up that phone
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- To pick up that phone and have someone
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- And have someone just pray with you,
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- Just pray with you, it doesn't matter
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- It doesn't matter where you're at,
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- Where you're at, it doesn't matter
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- It doesn't matter what you've been through.
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- What you've been through. you may not even know
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- You may not even know what the future holds, but
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- What the future holds, but somebody will pray with you
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- Somebody will pray with you right now.
- 00:19:06.034 --> 00:19:07.069
- Right now. just pick that phone up,
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- Just pick that phone up, call that number
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- Call that number for some encouragement.
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- For some encouragement. because god will give you
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- Because god will give you that ability to fight
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- That ability to fight because he's already
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- Because he's already won the fight.
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- Won the fight. you're going to learn more
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- You're going to learn more about that on another program
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- About that on another program with ron and hope.
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- With ron and hope. but right now,
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- But right now, you might just need
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- You might just need that encouragement
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- That encouragement that hope got on that day
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- That hope got on that day out of nowhere --
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- We have another opportunity
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- We have another opportunity that we're going to show you
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- We have another opportunity that we're going to show you because many of you
- 00:19:35.130 --> 00:19:36.265
- That we're going to show you because many of you have supported this outreach
- 00:19:36.331 --> 00:19:37.566
- Because many of you have supported this outreach over the years,
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- Have supported this outreach over the years, of giving hope to people
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- Over the years, of giving hope to people that have no hope
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- They have no hope.
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- They have no hope. and that is the fight
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- And that is the fight against malnutrition,
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- Against malnutrition, the fight against hunger,
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- The fight against hunger, oftentimes,
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- Oftentimes, the fight against death.
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- The fight against death. we have partners in place
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- We have partners in place right now around the world
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- Right now around the world to help us in this fight,
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- To help us in this fight, right now,
- 00:19:55.484 --> 00:19:56.518
- Right now, the situation is critical.
- 00:19:56.585 --> 00:19:58.420
- The situation is critical. children are dying in clinics,
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- Children are dying in clinics, and they don't need to.
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- And they don't need to. we need to reach them
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- We need to reach them before they get to that point,
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- Before they get to that point, before they get to the clinic.
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- Before they get to the clinic. we do it
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- We do it through your participation.
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- Through your participation. we do it through $30
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- We do it through $30 that helps feed three children
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- That helps feed three children for the next three months.
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- For the next three months. a gift of $50 feeds five.
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- A gift of $50 feeds five. $100 will help feed ten.
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- $100 will help feed ten. maybe you can give $1,000
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- Maybe you can give $1,000 and help feed 100 children
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- And help feed 100 children just for the next few months.
- 00:20:19.875 --> 00:20:21.910
- Just for the next few months. whatever god has
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- Whatever god has enabled you to do,
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- Enabled you to do, whatever he's put
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- Whatever he's put on your heart to do,
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- On your heart to do, i pray you'll do it right now.
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- I pray you'll do it right now. over 350,000 children
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- Over 350,000 children every single day on average
- 00:20:31.153 --> 00:20:33.588
- Every single day on average receive that bowl
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- Receive that bowl of nutritious soup,
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- Of nutritious soup, and that is just to get them
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- And that is just to get them through the day.
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- Through the day. oftentimes, it is in areas
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- Oftentimes, it is in areas where there has been a crisis,
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- Where there has been a crisis, perhaps a famine,
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- Perhaps a famine, perhaps a flood,
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- Perhaps a flood, perhaps displacement
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- Perhaps displacement from civil unrest.
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- From civil unrest. whatever the situation,
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- Whatever the situation, we go in and hold them over
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- We go in and hold them over until they can get back
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- Until they can get back on their feet
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- On their feet and can continue to build
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- And can continue to build for their future.
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- For their future. now that's a great thing,
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- Now that's a great thing, i think.
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- I think. a lot of organizations
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- A lot of organizations will do this.
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- Will do this. but let me tell you
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- But let me tell you a key difference.
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- A key difference. we do it
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- We do it in the name of jesus christ.
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- In the name of jesus christ. that's what we're inviting you
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- That's what we're inviting you to be a part of,
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- To be a part of, to be the hands and feet
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- To be the hands and feet of jesus,
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- Of jesus, to be the gospel
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- To be the gospel in word and deed.
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- In word and deed. not just to tell people
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- Not just to tell people about christ
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- About christ or tell them about his love
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- Or tell them about his love but to show it
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- But to show it to the people in need.
- 00:21:22.504 --> 00:21:24.072
- To the people in need. pick up the phone
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- Pick up the phone or go online,
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- Or go online, however you prefer.
- 00:21:26.808 --> 00:21:28.210
- However you prefer. make the best gift you can
- 00:21:28.276 --> 00:21:29.978
- Make the best gift you can towards mission feeding.
- 00:21:30.045 --> 00:21:31.713
- Towards mission feeding. know that it will save lives.
- 00:21:31.780 --> 00:21:33.749
- Know that it will save lives. it will give them hope.
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- It will give them hope. it will give them a future.
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- It will give them a future. and it will be done
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- And it will be done in the name of jesus christ.
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- Right now across the continent of africa,
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- Children are suffering,
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- Facing severe malnutrition and even death.
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- Extreme drought and famine
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- Putting at risk thousands of lives
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- Means we must replenish food supplies immediately
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- To keep feeding the 350,000 children
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- And help reach more people in desperate need.
- 00:22:01.376 --> 00:22:04.746
- Through life's mission feeding outreach,
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- Your gift of love can be an answer to prayer
- 00:22:06.915 --> 00:22:09.050
- For a hurting and hungry child in their time of need.
- 00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:12.621
- Call now with your life-saving gift
- 00:22:12.621 --> 00:22:14.956
- Of $30, $50, or $100
- 00:22:14.956 --> 00:22:17.959
- To help feed and care for
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- Three, five, or ten children
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- For three full months.
- 00:22:22.030 --> 00:22:24.099
- With your gift of any amount,
- 00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:26.168
- We'll send the daily life devotional calendar.
- 00:22:26.168 --> 00:22:28.470
- This perpetual calendar has 365 days' worth of scriptures
- 00:22:28.470 --> 00:22:32.407
- And inspirational thoughts to remind you
- 00:22:32.407 --> 00:22:34.376
- Of the rest you can find in god's loving arms.
- 00:22:34.376 --> 00:22:37.712
- With your gift of $100 or more,
- 00:22:37.712 --> 00:22:39.815
- You may request the "the light of life" desk lamp.
- 00:22:39.815 --> 00:22:42.083
- Find comfort and encouragement
- 00:22:42.083 --> 00:22:44.186
- From jesus' words in john 8:12
- 00:22:44.186 --> 00:22:46.955
- Displayed on this stand-alone acrylic gas lamp,
- 00:22:46.955 --> 00:22:49.758
- Perfect for home or office décor
- 00:22:49.758 --> 00:22:51.827
- As a reminder that jesus is the light of the world.
- 00:22:51.827 --> 00:22:55.263
- Finally, with your gift of $1,000 or more
- 00:22:55.263 --> 00:22:58.266
- To help feed and care for 100 children,
- 00:22:58.266 --> 00:23:00.669
- Be sure to request our inspiring
- 00:23:00.669 --> 00:23:02.838
- Bronze sculpture, "a cup of water."
- 00:23:02.838 --> 00:23:05.941
- Please call, write, or make your gift online today.
- 00:23:05.941 --> 00:23:13.815
- Randy: so many of you
- 00:23:13.915 --> 00:23:15.183
- Randy: so many of you have fought with us
- 00:23:15.250 --> 00:23:16.418
- Randy: so many of you have fought with us over the years
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- Have fought with us over the years to save people's lives.
- 00:23:17.853 --> 00:23:19.054
- Over the years to save people's lives. if you'd like to join us,
- 00:23:19.120 --> 00:23:20.455
- To save people's lives. if you'd like to join us, go online, go to your phone,
- 00:23:20.522 --> 00:23:21.690
- If you'd like to join us, go online, go to your phone, make the best gift you can.
- 00:23:21.756 --> 00:23:22.824
- Go online, go to your phone, make the best gift you can. you can be a part of this
- 00:23:22.891 --> 00:23:23.992
- Make the best gift you can. you can be a part of this beautiful, glorious fight
- 00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:25.227
- You can be a part of this beautiful, glorious fight to give life and hope
- 00:23:25.293 --> 00:23:27.062
- Beautiful, glorious fight to give life and hope to so many people
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- To give life and hope to so many people around the world.
- 00:23:28.196 --> 00:23:29.364
- To so many people around the world. and listen, if you want
- 00:23:29.431 --> 00:23:30.632
- Around the world. and listen, if you want your own copy of hope's book,
- 00:23:30.699 --> 00:23:33.468
- And listen, if you want your own copy of hope's book, just request it with any gift
- 00:23:33.535 --> 00:23:35.570
- Your own copy of hope's book, just request it with any gift that you make today.
- 00:23:35.637 --> 00:23:36.972
- Just request it with any gift that you make today. we'd love to send it to you.
- 00:23:37.038 --> 00:23:38.273
- That you make today. we'd love to send it to you. i appreciate you guys
- 00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:39.441
- We'd love to send it to you. i appreciate you guys being so open and honest.
- 00:23:39.508 --> 00:23:42.177
- I appreciate you guys being so open and honest. i know that you've learned
- 00:23:42.244 --> 00:23:43.512
- Being so open and honest. i know that you've learned so much and come so far since
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- I know that you've learned so much and come so far since all of that stuff came out.
- 00:23:45.780 --> 00:23:48.416
- So much and come so far since all of that stuff came out. would you guys join us for
- 00:23:48.483 --> 00:23:49.784
- All of that stuff came out. would you guys join us for another program where we can
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- Would you guys join us for another program where we can talk about unpacking some
- 00:23:51.052 --> 00:23:52.187
- Another program where we can talk about unpacking some of the lessons you've learned?
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- Talk about unpacking some of the lessons you've learned? hope: absolutely!
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- Of the lessons you've learned? hope: absolutely! ron: we'll be honored.
- 00:23:54.523 --> 00:23:55.690
- Hope: absolutely! ron: we'll be honored. randy: great!
- 00:23:55.757 --> 00:23:56.791
- Ron: we'll be honored. randy: great! i look forward to it.
- 00:23:56.858 --> 00:23:57.993
- Randy: great! i look forward to it. come back, and if you're
- 00:23:58.059 --> 00:23:59.261
- I look forward to it. come back, and if you're watching these online
- 00:23:59.327 --> 00:24:00.595
- Come back, and if you're watching these online you can go to lifetoday.org
- 00:24:00.662 --> 00:24:01.930
- Watching these online you can go to lifetoday.org and see all the programs.
- 00:24:01.997 --> 00:24:03.198
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- Jeff: have you ever wondered
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- Jeff: have you ever wondered what it's really all about --
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- What it's really all about -- the christian life?
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- The christian life? obviously,
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- Obviously, it starts very basic
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- It starts very basic and very simple,
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- With jesus christ,
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- With jesus christ, a free gift by his grace.
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- With jesus christ, a free gift by his grace. but then, after that,
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- A free gift by his grace. but then, after that, have you ever wondered,
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- But then, after that, have you ever wondered, how do i hit the target
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- Have you ever wondered, how do i hit the target with my life?
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- How do i hit the target with my life? how do i please jesus?
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- With my life? how do i please jesus? how do i serve him?
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- How do i please jesus? how do i serve him? how do i give him
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- How do i serve him? how do i give him glory and honor
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- How do i give him glory and honor by the way i live?
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- Glory and honor by the way i live? obviously,
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- By the way i live? obviously, we want to carry out
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- Obviously, we want to carry out his characteristics;
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- We want to carry out his characteristics; we want to live like him.
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- His characteristics; we want to live like him. but jesus, in the gospels,
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- We want to live like him. but jesus, in the gospels, and also,
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- But jesus, in the gospels, and also, the first part of acts,
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- And also, the first part of acts, we see that he gives us
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- The first part of acts, we see that he gives us a commission.
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- We see that he gives us a commission. he gives us
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- A commission. he gives us some marching orders.
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- He gives us some marching orders. in fact,
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- Some marching orders. in fact, he gives us the bull's-eye.
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- In fact, he gives us the bull's-eye. he tells us
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- He gives us the bull's-eye. he tells us what the target is.
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- He tells us what the target is. if you and i were
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- What the target is. if you and i were playing darts,
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- If you and i were playing darts, and we were to throw darts
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- Playing darts, and we were to throw darts at a dart board,
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- And we were to throw darts at a dart board, and you hit the bull's-eye,
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- At a dart board, and you hit the bull's-eye, and i threw mine way off
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- And you hit the bull's-eye, and i threw mine way off and went over
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- And i threw mine way off and went over and circled my own bull's-eye,
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- And went over and circled my own bull's-eye, that would be cheating.
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- And circled my own bull's-eye, that would be cheating. and so, as christian people,
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- That would be cheating. and so, as christian people, we need to know
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- And so, as christian people, we need to know what jesus's bull's-eye is.
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- We need to know what jesus's bull's-eye is. what's the target?
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- What jesus's bull's-eye is. what's the target? in matthew 28,
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- What's the target? in matthew 28, a familiar passage tells us
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- In matthew 28, a familiar passage tells us the commission from jesus,
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- A familiar passage tells us the commission from jesus, and he says this:
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- The commission from jesus, and he says this: "go into all the world
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- And he says this: "go into all the world and preach the gospel
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- "go into all the world and preach the gospel and make disciples."
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- I grew up as a young boy
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- I grew up as a young boy in the christian faith
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- In the christian faith and i always thought
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- And i always thought it was more about "go."
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- It was more about "go." so i was going and going
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- So i was going and going and going
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- And going but not a lot of times
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- Hitting the bull's-eye,
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- Hitting the bull's-eye, if i was hitting the target.
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- Hitting the bull's-eye, if i was hitting the target. the verb is the action word
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- If i was hitting the target. the verb is the action word and it's "make."
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- The verb is the action word and it's "make." "go" is a participle
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- And it's "make." "go" is a participle which actually means,
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- "go" is a participle which actually means, "as you're going,"
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- Which actually means, "as you're going," so it's understood
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- "as you're going," so it's understood that there's movement
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- So it's understood that there's movement if you're a person
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- That there's movement if you're a person who is following jesus christ.
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- If you're a person who is following jesus christ. but "make," again,
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- Who is following jesus christ. but "make," again, is the target.
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- But "make," again, is the target. my question to you today
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- Is the target. my question to you today is this:
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- My question to you today is this: i hope you've received
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- Is this: i hope you've received jesus christ as your
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- I hope you've received jesus christ as your personal lord and savior.
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- Jesus christ as your personal lord and savior. that's the best decision
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- Personal lord and savior. that's the best decision you could ever make.
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- That's the best decision you could ever make. that's where real life
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- You could ever make. that's where real life is found.
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- That's where real life is found. but after that,
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- Is found. but after that, what do you do?
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- But after that, what do you do? my question is:
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- What do you do? my question is: have you ever "made?"
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- My question is: have you ever "made?" are you willing to "make?"
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- Have you ever "made?" are you willing to "make?" you say, "oh, jeff,
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- Are you willing to "make?" you say, "oh, jeff, i couldn't do that!
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- You say, "oh, jeff, i couldn't do that! i mean, i've got problems,
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- I couldn't do that! i mean, i've got problems, i've got challenges."
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- I mean, i've got problems, i've got challenges." and you know what?
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- I've got challenges." and you know what? the first disciples did too.
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- And you know what? the first disciples did too. jesus wants to use you.
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- The first disciples did too. jesus wants to use you. you have a purpose.
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- Jesus wants to use you. you have a purpose. you've been designed by god
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- You have a purpose. you've been designed by god and you are his plan
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- You've been designed by god and you are his plan for extending his grace
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- And you are his plan for extending his grace and mercy in the earth.
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- For extending his grace and mercy in the earth. and so start today.
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- And mercy in the earth. and so start today. start finding
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- And so start today. start finding the resources you need,
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- Start finding the resources you need, the friends you need,
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- The resources you need, the friends you need, the relationships you need.
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- The friends you need, the relationships you need. whatever you need,
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- The relationships you need. whatever you need, it's available
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- Whatever you need, it's available so that you can start
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- It's available so that you can start to make disciples.
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- So that you can start to make disciples. i hope you will look up
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- To make disciples. i hope you will look up not many days from now
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- I hope you will look up not many days from now and say, "you know what?
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- Not many days from now and say, "you know what? i haven't achieved it,
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- And say, "you know what? i haven't achieved it, but i'm well on my way
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- I haven't achieved it, but i'm well on my way to this "making" process
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- But i'm well on my way to this "making" process of hitting the bull's-eye.
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- >> just because you have faith for the outcome
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- Doesn't mean you don't have pain in the process.
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- And jesus expressed the pain of the process
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- Because he was wearing a human body.
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