Natalie Runion - Broken Churches

January 27, 2025 | S25:E26

The author of “The House That Jesus Built” talks about some of the issues plaguing the church and how to properly correct them.

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Life Today with James Robison | Natalie Runion - Broken Churches | January 27, 2025

Coming up on life today.
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When churches seem far from god's design,
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Natalie runyion helps us better understand
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The house that jesus built.
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>> and so i just pray as i traveled,
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Like lord, you are so kind.
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There are more good churches than bad churches.
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There are more healthy shepherds than unhealthy shepherds.
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I want to encourage everyone listening
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That yes, you've probably had a bad experience
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With one church,
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But for every one that has wounded you,
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There are a hundred more willing to help you heal.
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Randy: welcome to life today !
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Randy: welcome to life today ! i'm randy robison.
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Randy: welcome to life today ! i'm randy robison. this is tammy trent.
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I'm randy robison. this is tammy trent. how are you doing?
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This is tammy trent. how are you doing? tammy: i'm good!
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How are you doing? tammy: i'm good! randy: i love my church.
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Tammy: i'm good! randy: i love my church. we've been blessed to be
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Randy: i love my church. we've been blessed to be in some really great churches.
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How do you like your church?
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How do you like your church? tammy: i love my church.
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How do you like your church? tammy: i love my church. i really, really do.
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Tammy: i love my church. i really, really do. what a blessing to be
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I really, really do. what a blessing to be at a church, which you know,
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What a blessing to be at a church, which you know, that you love, and that
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At a church, which you know, that you love, and that you feel is flourishing.
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That you love, and that you feel is flourishing. and even though
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You feel is flourishing. and even though they're probably not doing
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And even though they're probably not doing everything right, at least
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They're probably not doing everything right, at least it feels like they are.
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Everything right, at least it feels like they are. i love it!
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It feels like they are. i love it! randy: i think that's probably
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I love it! randy: i think that's probably the case for most of you,
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Randy: i think that's probably the case for most of you, but definitely not all of you.
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The case for most of you, but definitely not all of you. we're going to talk about
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But definitely not all of you. we're going to talk about some of the issues
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We're going to talk about some of the issues with the church and maybe
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Some of the issues with the church and maybe how we can approach it
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With the church and maybe how we can approach it and make our church better.
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How we can approach it and make our church better. our guest today
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And make our church better. our guest today is natalie runyion.
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Our guest today is natalie runyion. she has a book called
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Is natalie runyion. she has a book called the house that jesus built .
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She has a book called the house that jesus built . natalie has not always
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The house that jesus built . natalie has not always had great experiences
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Natalie has not always had great experiences in churches.
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Had great experiences in churches. so if you've experienced
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In churches. so if you've experienced a little bit of what they call
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So if you've experienced a little bit of what they call "church hurt," we're going
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A little bit of what they call "church hurt," we're going to give you, a little bit
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"church hurt," we're going to give you, a little bit of encouragement today.
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To give you, a little bit of encouragement today. good to see you, natalie.
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Of encouragement today. good to see you, natalie. how are you?
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Good to see you, natalie. how are you? natalie: i'm well.
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How are you? natalie: i'm well. it is so good
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Natalie: i'm well. it is so good to be back with you guys.
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It is so good to be back with you guys. randy: how is your church
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To be back with you guys. randy: how is your church these days?
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Randy: how is your church these days? natalie: amazing!
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These days? natalie: amazing! man, we are a part
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Natalie: amazing! man, we are a part of the most thriving,
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Man, we are a part of the most thriving, beautiful, healthy church.
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Of the most thriving, beautiful, healthy church. it's been a very restorative
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Beautiful, healthy church. it's been a very restorative and redemptive season.
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It's been a very restorative and redemptive season. randy: that hasn't
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And redemptive season. randy: that hasn't always been the case.
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Randy: that hasn't always been the case. explain a little bit of why
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Natalie: i grew up
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Natalie: i grew up as a pastor's kid so i saw
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As a pastor's kid so i saw the underbelly of the beast
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The underbelly of the beast my entire life.
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My entire life. i saw the good, the bad,
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I saw the good, the bad, the brutal, the beautiful,
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The brutal, the beautiful, and so i think
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With the honesty
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With the honesty that we are humans
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With the honesty that we are humans in our flesh
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That we are humans in our flesh leading something holy,
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In our flesh leading something holy, that is god's, that we're
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Leading something holy, that is god's, that we're going to be disappointed,
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That is god's, that we're going to be disappointed, we're going to be let down,
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Going to be disappointed, we're going to be let down, and many times wounded.
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We're going to be let down, and many times wounded. for some, so wounded
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And many times wounded. for some, so wounded that they haven't been able
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For some, so wounded that they haven't been able to heal properly to come back.
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That they haven't been able to heal properly to come back. and for others of us,
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To heal properly to come back. and for others of us, just kind of constantly
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And for others of us, just kind of constantly daily wrestling
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Just kind of constantly daily wrestling with our relationship
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Daily wrestling with our relationship with god's people
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With our relationship with god's people in the church
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With god's people in the church while desperately wanting
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In the church while desperately wanting to cling to the lord.
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While desperately wanting to cling to the lord. tammy: let me start at the top
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To cling to the lord. tammy: let me start at the top where you talk
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Tammy: let me start at the top where you talk about the blueprint.
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Where you talk about the blueprint. how did we get away
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About the blueprint. how did we get away from the original blueprint?
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How did we get away from the original blueprint? natalie: it is such
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From the original blueprint? natalie: it is such a slippery slope.
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Natalie: it is such a slippery slope. we start with good intentions.
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A slippery slope. we start with good intentions. we want to build our churches
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We start with good intentions. we want to build our churches just as the early church did.
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We want to build our churches just as the early church did. we want to grow,
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Just as the early church did. we want to grow, we want to get the gospel out.
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We want to grow, we want to get the gospel out. and then worldly measures
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We want to get the gospel out. and then worldly measures start coming in,
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And then worldly measures start coming in, how much money is coming in?
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Start coming in, how much money is coming in? social media, technology.
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How much money is coming in? social media, technology. we start putting pastors
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Social media, technology. we start putting pastors on platforms
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We start putting pastors on platforms and they start building
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On platforms and they start building their own personas and
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And they start building their own personas and writing books and speaking.
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Their own personas and writing books and speaking. and now we have celebrities
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Writing books and speaking. and now we have celebrities as pastors, not people
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And now we have celebrities as pastors, not people who necessarily know
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As pastors, not people who necessarily know or are called to shepherd.
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Who necessarily know or are called to shepherd. so we just very slowly
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Or are called to shepherd. so we just very slowly started fading away
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So we just very slowly started fading away from god's original design
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Started fading away from god's original design for the church,
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From god's original design for the church, which was really to preach
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For the church, which was really to preach the message of jesus christ
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Which was really to preach the message of jesus christ and bring salvation
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The message of jesus christ and bring salvation to the lost.
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And bring salvation to the lost. that was the original intent.
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To the lost. that was the original intent. tammy: so what about
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That was the original intent. tammy: so what about the churches where you talk
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Tammy: so what about the churches where you talk about the celebrity
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The churches where you talk about the celebrity or the smoke during worship,
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About the celebrity or the smoke during worship, all the stuff that's going on?
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Or the smoke during worship, all the stuff that's going on? is there a place for that
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All the stuff that's going on? is there a place for that in the church?
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Is there a place for that in the church? what is your thought
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In the church? what is your thought when it comes to that?
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What is your thought when it comes to that? natalie: well, the disciples
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When it comes to that? natalie: well, the disciples and the apostle paul,
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Natalie: well, the disciples and the apostle paul, they all knew their culture.
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And the apostle paul, they all knew their culture. they knew their poets,
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They all knew their culture. they knew their poets, they knew the different
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They knew their poets, they knew the different political cultures.
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They knew the different political cultures. so the church
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Political cultures. so the church has always been moving
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So the church has always been moving with the current culture,
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Has always been moving with the current culture, and we have to be aware
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With the current culture, and we have to be aware of our culture.
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And we have to be aware of our culture. so when we see things
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Of our culture. so when we see things like smoke and lights,
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So when we see things like smoke and lights, and certain things like that,
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Like smoke and lights, and certain things like that, we can say,
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And certain things like that, we can say, okay, that's a culture.
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We can say, okay, that's a culture. that's something
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Okay, that's a culture. that's something that we're matching the times
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That's something that we're matching the times that we're in.
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That we're matching the times that we're in. that's something
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That we're in. that's something that people value these days;
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That's something that people value these days; not everyone, but some.
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That people value these days; not everyone, but some. because we live in america,
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Not everyone, but some. because we live in america, we have the choice
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Because we live in america, we have the choice to pretty much go
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We have the choice to pretty much go to any church on the corner
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To pretty much go to any church on the corner and pick our adventure.
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To any church on the corner and pick our adventure. like do we want
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And pick our adventure. like do we want to have smoke and lights?
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Like do we want to have smoke and lights? do we want to have
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To have smoke and lights? do we want to have an organist?
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Do we want to have an organist? do we want to have
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An organist? do we want to have sunday school?
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Do we want to have sunday school? do we not?
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Sunday school? do we not? so we're blessed
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Do we not? so we're blessed here in america
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So we're blessed here in america to be able to pick and choose
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Here in america to be able to pick and choose what we prefer,
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To be able to pick and choose what we prefer, which the acts church,
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What we prefer, which the acts church, didn't have that luxury.
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Which the acts church, didn't have that luxury. and churches around the world
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Didn't have that luxury. and churches around the world don't have that luxury
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And churches around the world don't have that luxury as well.
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Don't have that luxury as well. randy: you're talking
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As well. randy: you're talking about style, and i'm with you,
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Randy: you're talking about style, and i'm with you, i love that we have
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About style, and i'm with you, i love that we have different styles
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I love that we have different styles because different styles
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Different styles because different styles help different people connect.
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Because different styles help different people connect. as long as the point
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Help different people connect. as long as the point is always to connect to god,
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Right?
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Right? i think one of our
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I think one of our classic mistakes,
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Classic mistakes, and i'd love to hear
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And i'd love to hear your input on this,
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Your input on this, is we oftentimes
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Thinking what am i going
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Thinking what am i going to get out of it?
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Thinking what am i going to get out of it? as opposed to how am i going
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To get out of it? as opposed to how am i going to contribute to be a part?
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As opposed to how am i going to contribute to be a part? do some of the problems,
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To contribute to be a part? do some of the problems, and some of the solutions
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Natalie: always. always!
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Natalie: always. always! it's why we have
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It's why we have to pray that prayer,
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To pray that prayer, search my heart, o lord,
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Search my heart, o lord, and find out if there
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And find out if there is any wicked way in me.
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And inspecting the foundations
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And inspecting the foundations of our own houses
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And inspecting the foundations of our own houses before we walk into a church
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Of our own houses before we walk into a church and demand that it is perfect
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Before we walk into a church and demand that it is perfect or that it meets
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And demand that it is perfect or that it meets all of our criteria.
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Or that it meets all of our criteria. we have become
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All of our criteria. we have become a consumer culture.
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We have become a consumer culture. i talk about that in the book,
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A consumer culture. i talk about that in the book, how easy it is
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I talk about that in the book, how easy it is to google review a church
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How easy it is to google review a church like we're staying
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To google review a church like we're staying at an airbnb.
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Like we're staying at an airbnb. well, the coffee wasn't hot.
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At an airbnb. well, the coffee wasn't hot. the music was too loud.
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Well, the coffee wasn't hot. the music was too loud. but what we're forgetting
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The music was too loud. but what we're forgetting is that the original church
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But what we're forgetting is that the original church was founded on things
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Is that the original church was founded on things like community and communion
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Was founded on things like community and communion and worship and repentance
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Like community and communion and worship and repentance and reconciliation.
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And worship and repentance and reconciliation. these are all things
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And reconciliation. these are all things that whether you have an organ
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These are all things that whether you have an organ or you have the biggest,
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That whether you have an organ or you have the biggest, most famous band leading you
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Or you have the biggest, most famous band leading you in worship every week,
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Most famous band leading you in worship every week, that we can all agree on
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In worship every week, that we can all agree on that that original foundation
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That we can all agree on that that original foundation truly was the very fundamental
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That that original foundation truly was the very fundamental part of our christianity
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Truly was the very fundamental part of our christianity and it started with jesus
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Tammy: totally.
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Tammy: totally. natalie, there are
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Natalie, there are a couple of things
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A couple of things i want to read
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I want to read that stood out to me.
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That stood out to me. it's like i put them
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It's like i put them on a sticky note.
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To me every single day.
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To me every single day. "there is coming a day
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To me every single day. "there is coming a day when it will be very clear
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"there is coming a day when it will be very clear who built with jesus and
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When it will be very clear who built with jesus and who built for themselves."
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Who built with jesus and who built for themselves." "god is patient
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Who built for themselves." "god is patient but is not unaware."
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"god is patient but is not unaware." that one hit me hard
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But is not unaware." that one hit me hard because we're always
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That one hit me hard because we're always talking about jesus
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Because we're always talking about jesus is always so patient.
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Talking about jesus is always so patient. but you went on to say,
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Is always so patient. but you went on to say, "but god is not unaware."
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But you went on to say, "but god is not unaware." he is so aware.
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"but god is not unaware." he is so aware. i want to also say, "god
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He is so aware. i want to also say, "god doesn't want a clean house,
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I want to also say, "god doesn't want a clean house, he wants a holy house."
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Doesn't want a clean house, he wants a holy house." what does that look like?
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He wants a holy house." what does that look like? natalie: well, first of all,
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What does that look like? natalie: well, first of all, we have to stop putting
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Natalie: well, first of all, we have to stop putting such an emphasis
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We have to stop putting such an emphasis on the gifts that we get
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Such an emphasis on the gifts that we get as consumers of christ
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On the gifts that we get as consumers of christ and start focusing
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As consumers of christ and start focusing on the fruit
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And start focusing on the fruit that we are producing.
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On the fruit that we are producing. how will we know
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That we are producing. how will we know if something is of god?
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How will we know if something is of god? the proof will be
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If something is of god? the proof will be in the fruit.
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The proof will be in the fruit. and what is that fruit?
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In the fruit. and what is that fruit? well, we read about that
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And what is that fruit? well, we read about that in galatians, it's joy,
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Well, we read about that in galatians, it's joy, peace, gentleness, kindness.
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In galatians, it's joy, peace, gentleness, kindness. but then beyond that,
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Peace, gentleness, kindness. but then beyond that, its measure is of salvation.
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But then beyond that, its measure is of salvation. are we bringing the lost
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Its measure is of salvation. are we bringing the lost to be found?
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Are we bringing the lost to be found? are we in our cities
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To be found? are we in our cities feeding the homeless?
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Are we in our cities feeding the homeless? are we taking care
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Feeding the homeless? are we taking care of the widow and the orphan?
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Are we taking care of the widow and the orphan? are we bringing in those
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Of the widow and the orphan? are we bringing in those who have been marginalized?
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Are we bringing in those who have been marginalized? that's the fruit
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Who have been marginalized? that's the fruit that we're looking for.
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That's the fruit that we're looking for. so when we get to heaven,
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That we're looking for. so when we get to heaven, all these earthly treasures
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So when we get to heaven, all these earthly treasures we built up in social media,
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All these earthly treasures we built up in social media, following, and books
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We built up in social media, following, and books that we've written
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Following, and books that we've written and songs that we've produced,
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That we've written and songs that we've produced, that's all great here
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And songs that we've produced, that's all great here but that's not anything
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That's all great here but that's not anything we can take into eternity.
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But that's not anything we can take into eternity. we can only take each other
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We can take into eternity. we can only take each other into eternity.
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We can only take each other into eternity. tammy: exactly right.
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Into eternity. tammy: exactly right. randy: when you,
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Tammy: exactly right. randy: when you, your point, where you had
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Randy: when you, your point, where you had to make that decision,
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Your point, where you had to make that decision, am i going to be a part
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To make that decision, am i going to be a part of a church
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Am i going to be a part of a church or am i going to walk away?
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Of a church or am i going to walk away? what were some of the issues
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Or am i going to walk away? what were some of the issues that you ran into?
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What were some of the issues that you ran into? i think a lot of people
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That you ran into? i think a lot of people who are struggling with church
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I think a lot of people who are struggling with church can relate
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Who are struggling with church can relate to some of the things
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Can relate to some of the things that you've been through.
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To some of the things that you've been through. natalie: it is just hard
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That you've been through. natalie: it is just hard to trust again.
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Natalie: it is just hard to trust again. you want to believe
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To trust again. you want to believe that the house that built us,
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You want to believe that the house that built us, especially those of us
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That the house that built us, especially those of us who grew up in church,
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Especially those of us who grew up in church, that we're going
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Who grew up in church, that we're going to be protected
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That we're going to be protected by this institution.
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To be protected by this institution. that should be
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By this institution. that should be the safest place
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That should be the safest place on the planet;
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The safest place on the planet; the church should be
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On the planet; the church should be the safest place.
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The church should be the safest place. and yet, so many people
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The safest place. and yet, so many people have walked in
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And yet, so many people have walked in and they've been rejected.
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Have walked in and they've been rejected. we've been assigning
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And they've been rejected. we've been assigning scarlet letters
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We've been assigning scarlet letters rather than
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Scarlet letters rather than extending scarlet ropes.
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Rather than extending scarlet ropes. so people are walking in
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Extending scarlet ropes. so people are walking in and they're thinking,
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So people are walking in and they're thinking, am i going to get hurt again?
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And they're thinking, am i going to get hurt again? am i going to be
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Am i going to get hurt again? am i going to be rejected again?
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Am i going to be rejected again? am i going to be
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Rejected again? am i going to be marginalized again
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Am i going to be marginalized again in the very place
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Marginalized again in the very place where it says
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And everyone is welcome?
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And everyone is welcome? so i think trust
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So i think trust is a huge part.
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Is a huge part. for me, it's even why
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For me, it's even why i get hesitant sometimes
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I get hesitant sometimes to want to join
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To want to join a church staff again.
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A church staff again. will i get hurt
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Or by another pastor?
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Or by another pastor? i also think that we feel
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Or by another pastor? i also think that we feel a little bit
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I also think that we feel a little bit of bait and switch sometimes,
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A little bit of bait and switch sometimes, in the church community
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Of bait and switch sometimes, in the church community where we're made promises.
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In the church community where we're made promises. like if you do x, y, and z
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Where we're made promises. like if you do x, y, and z then you're going to get
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Like if you do x, y, and z then you're going to get this in return.
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Then you're going to get this in return. so we serve
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This in return. so we serve and we work 50-hour weeks
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So we serve and we work 50-hour weeks or we show up
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And we work 50-hour weeks or we show up when nobody else will show up
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Or we show up when nobody else will show up and we're more lonely
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When nobody else will show up and we're more lonely than ever,
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And we're more lonely than ever, we're more discouraged
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Than ever, we're more discouraged than ever.
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We're more discouraged than ever. a lot of that is because
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Than ever. a lot of that is because we've attached ourselves
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A lot of that is because we've attached ourselves to counterfeit connections.
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We've attached ourselves to counterfeit connections. jesus says
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To counterfeit connections. jesus says that he is the vine,
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Jesus says that he is the vine, we are the branches,
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That he is the vine, we are the branches, and that if we will just
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We are the branches, and that if we will just remain in him,
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And that if we will just remain in him, that he'll remain in us.
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Remain in him, that he'll remain in us. but so much of
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That he'll remain in us. but so much of this deconstruction movement
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But so much of this deconstruction movement and leaving the church
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This deconstruction movement and leaving the church i believe has come
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And leaving the church i believe has come from where we've
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I believe has come from where we've attached ourselves
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From where we've attached ourselves to faulty connections, and
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Attached ourselves to faulty connections, and attached ourselves to people
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To faulty connections, and attached ourselves to people versus remaining in christ.
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Attached ourselves to people versus remaining in christ. because when people fail us,
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Versus remaining in christ. because when people fail us, god stays the same.
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Because when people fail us, god stays the same. randy: yeah! that is so true.
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God stays the same. randy: yeah! that is so true. what do you look for
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Randy: yeah! that is so true. what do you look for when you walk in a church?
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What do you look for when you walk in a church? natalie: oh man,
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When you walk in a church? natalie: oh man, i'm looking for people
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Natalie: oh man, i'm looking for people who are happy that i'm there.
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I'm looking for people who are happy that i'm there. i'm looking for people
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Who are happy that i'm there. i'm looking for people who are happy
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I'm looking for people who are happy that they're there.
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Who are happy that they're there. i'm watching for joy.
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That they're there. i'm watching for joy. i'm watching for community,
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I'm watching for joy. i'm watching for community, signs of community.
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I'm watching for community, signs of community. i'm looking for a
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Signs of community. i'm looking for a multi-generational community.
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I'm looking for a multi-generational community. i'm looking for
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Multi-generational community. i'm looking for multi-ethnic communities
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I'm looking for multi-ethnic communities that model my city.
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Multi-ethnic communities that model my city. it isn't just a vanilla look
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That model my city. it isn't just a vanilla look at what we think
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It isn't just a vanilla look at what we think the church should be.
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At what we think the church should be. i want to see all believers.
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The church should be. i want to see all believers. i want it to look like
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I want to see all believers. i want it to look like the upper room.
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I want it to look like the upper room. and i don't mean
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The upper room. and i don't mean tongues of fire flowing.
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And i don't mean tongues of fire flowing. i mean i want to see baptisms,
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Tongues of fire flowing. i mean i want to see baptisms, i want to see potlucks,
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I want to see people
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I want to see communion.
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I want to see communion. i don't need
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I don't need to feel the chills.
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To feel the chills. i don't need to feel emotion
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That i'm wanted.
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That i'm wanted. and that when i walk in,
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That i'm wanted. and that when i walk in, christ is made known,
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And that when i walk in, christ is made known, that he is the first one
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Christ is made known, that he is the first one preaching on that platform.
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That he is the first one preaching on that platform. he is the one
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Preaching on that platform. he is the one that's sending us out.
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He is the one that's sending us out. and i want the church
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That's sending us out. and i want the church to be a mission field,
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And i want the church to be a mission field, not a country club.
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To be a mission field, not a country club. so i'm looking for a place
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Not a country club. so i'm looking for a place that is going out
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So i'm looking for a place that is going out and doing things
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That is going out and doing things beyond their jerusalem,
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And doing things beyond their jerusalem, judea, and samaria.
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Beyond their jerusalem, judea, and samaria. i'm watching for us to go
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Judea, and samaria. i'm watching for us to go to the ends of the earth.
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I'm watching for us to go to the ends of the earth. i'm looking for a shepherd
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To the ends of the earth. i'm looking for a shepherd who preaches the word of god,
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I'm looking for a shepherd who preaches the word of god, genesis through revelation.
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Who preaches the word of god, genesis through revelation. i'm looking for a pastor
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Genesis through revelation. i'm looking for a pastor who is going
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I'm looking for a pastor who is going to preach to me jesus,
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Who is going to preach to me jesus, not politics.
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To preach to me jesus, not politics. and i'm looking for a church
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Not politics. and i'm looking for a church that stewards their finances
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And i'm looking for a church that stewards their finances and honors people's worship.
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That stewards their finances and honors people's worship. because when we tithe,
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And honors people's worship. because when we tithe, we as a church
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Because when we tithe, we as a church are spending people's worship.
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We as a church are spending people's worship. so i'm looking
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Are spending people's worship. so i'm looking for stewardship, i'm looking
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So i'm looking for stewardship, i'm looking for accountability
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For stewardship, i'm looking for accountability for leaders at all levels.
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For accountability for leaders at all levels. those are just some things
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For leaders at all levels. those are just some things that you can see a little bit
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Those are just some things that you can see a little bit in maybe the website
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That you can see a little bit in maybe the website but what you're looking for,
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In maybe the website but what you're looking for, you have to stay
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But what you're looking for, you have to stay a little bit longer
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You have to stay a little bit longer to know if those things
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Tammy: it sounds like
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Tammy: it sounds like the perfect church.
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The perfect church. and we know the perfect church
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And we know the perfect church does not exist
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Does not exist but it sounds like
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But it sounds like the perfect church
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The perfect church and you have to be looking
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How do we get there?
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How do we get there? if a church is saying our
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How do we get there? if a church is saying our leadership is falling apart,
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If a church is saying our leadership is falling apart, we are crumbling,
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Leadership is falling apart, we are crumbling, how do they begin to rebuild?
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We are crumbling, how do they begin to rebuild? natalie: well, god is doing
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How do they begin to rebuild? natalie: well, god is doing the holy house cleaning
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Natalie: well, god is doing the holy house cleaning in his church
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The holy house cleaning in his church and that is happening
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In his church and that is happening supernaturally.
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And that is happening supernaturally. we're seeing that
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Supernaturally. we're seeing that through leaders
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We're seeing that through leaders who have made mistakes
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Through leaders who have made mistakes in the past,
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Who have made mistakes in the past, those things are starting
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In the past, those things are starting to come to the surface.
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Those things are starting to come to the surface. god is cleaning house
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To come to the surface. god is cleaning house because he loves his people,
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God is cleaning house because he loves his people, and he even loves
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Because he loves his people, and he even loves those leaders enough
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And he even loves those leaders enough to bring them into correction.
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Those leaders enough to bring them into correction. we have to remember
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To bring them into correction. we have to remember as church leaders
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We have to remember as church leaders that we are not to be critics
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As church leaders that we are not to be critics of one another
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Fruit inspectors.
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Fruit inspectors. and so it is okay for us to
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And so it is okay for us to look around our organization
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Look around our organization or the church
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Or the church and say, wait a minute,
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And say, wait a minute, i see a crack.
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I see a crack. i don't think
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I don't think it is intentional
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How can we begin
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How can we begin to seek the lord
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How can we begin to seek the lord to bring restoration
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To seek the lord to bring restoration to this issue?
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To bring restoration to this issue? we cannot be offended
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To this issue? we cannot be offended when leaders come to us,
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We cannot be offended when leaders come to us, or when congregants
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When leaders come to us, or when congregants even come to us and say,
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Or when congregants even come to us and say, i'm concerned about
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Even come to us and say, i'm concerned about (fill in the blank.)
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I'm concerned about (fill in the blank.) because not everyone coming in
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(fill in the blank.) because not everyone coming in is a critic.
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Because not everyone coming in is a critic. they have discernment.
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Is a critic. they have discernment. they see things
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They have discernment. they see things that we as leaders don't see
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They see things that we as leaders don't see because they're
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That we as leaders don't see because they're in kids' ministry,
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Because they're in kids' ministry, they're behind the scenes,
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In kids' ministry, they're behind the scenes, they're in conversation
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They're behind the scenes, they're in conversation with people we're not.
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They're in conversation with people we're not. so we can't have
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With people we're not. so we can't have all the suspicion
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So we can't have all the suspicion that everyone coming to us
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All the suspicion that everyone coming to us is just complaining.
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That everyone coming to us is just complaining. we as congregants
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Is just complaining. we as congregants have to understand
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We as congregants have to understand that we are not critics
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Have to understand that we are not critics of the house
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That we are not critics of the house but we are to be inspectors,
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Of the house but we are to be inspectors, fruit inspectors.
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But we are to be inspectors, fruit inspectors. and then in truth,
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Fruit inspectors. and then in truth, humility, and love
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And then in truth, humility, and love bring those concerns
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Humility, and love bring those concerns and say, this is how
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Bring those concerns and say, this is how we can do it better.
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And say, this is how we can do it better. randy: i had a house,
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We can do it better. randy: i had a house, a literal house,
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Randy: i had a house, a literal house, where the foundation
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A literal house, where the foundation was shifting.
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Where the foundation was shifting. it is texas,
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Everybody around here knows.
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Everybody around here knows. and we would get cracks.
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And we would get cracks. you know there are
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You know there are one or two things
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One or two things you can do with a crack.
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You can do with a crack. you can go in and you
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Or you can try to fill it
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Or you can try to fill it and make it better.
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Or you can try to fill it and make it better. and of course,
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And make it better. and of course, you deal with the foundation,
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And of course, you deal with the foundation, obviously.
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You deal with the foundation, obviously. when you talk about
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Obviously. when you talk about the critics, i have a concern
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When you talk about the critics, i have a concern and that's why this topic
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The critics, i have a concern and that's why this topic can be a little dicey for me,
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And that's why this topic can be a little dicey for me, even talking about it
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Can be a little dicey for me, even talking about it on television,
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Even talking about it on television, i don't want to give
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On television, i don't want to give the impression
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I don't want to give the impression that we are the police
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The impression that we are the police of the church.
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That we are the police of the church. that we're above human faults.
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Of the church. that we're above human faults. how do we discern things
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That we're above human faults. how do we discern things and even point out things
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How do we discern things and even point out things without being that critic
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And even point out things without being that critic who is just ripping
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Without being that critic who is just ripping that crack wide open?
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Who is just ripping that crack wide open? natalie: it goes back to,
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That crack wide open? natalie: it goes back to, first of all,
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Natalie: it goes back to, first of all, handling our own cracks
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First of all, handling our own cracks because there is something
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Handling our own cracks because there is something so humbling about the lord
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Because there is something so humbling about the lord working on you.
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So humbling about the lord working on you. when people are kind to you,
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Working on you. when people are kind to you, patient with you,
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When people are kind to you, patient with you, when they are modeling
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Patient with you, when they are modeling that fruit with you
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When they are modeling that fruit with you when you're living a life
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That fruit with you when you're living a life that is not healthy
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When you're living a life that is not healthy at its foundation
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That is not healthy at its foundation then god says that
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At its foundation then god says that we are to give as freely
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Then god says that we are to give as freely as we have received.
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We are to give as freely as we have received. so if we are truly walking
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As we have received. so if we are truly walking in humility with the lord,
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So if we are truly walking in humility with the lord, our heart is not to go in
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In humility with the lord, our heart is not to go in and rip churches apart.
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Our heart is not to go in and rip churches apart. but to say
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And rip churches apart. but to say god has been kind to me,
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But to say god has been kind to me, god has been gracious to me,
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God has been kind to me, god has been gracious to me, and in return,
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God has been gracious to me, and in return, i want to offer that
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And in return, i want to offer that to my brothers and sisters
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I want to offer that to my brothers and sisters and leaders.
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To my brothers and sisters and leaders. and so we go in,
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And leaders. and so we go in, and with truth, humility,
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And so we go in, and with truth, humility, and love, we don't go in
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And with truth, humility, and love, we don't go in with a wrecking ball,
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And love, we don't go in with a wrecking ball, we go in with a white glove
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With a wrecking ball, we go in with a white glove called discernment
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We go in with a white glove called discernment and we serve.
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Called discernment and we serve. we get our hands dirty.
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And we serve. we get our hands dirty. we get into the weeds.
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We get our hands dirty. we get into the weeds. we get into conversations.
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We get into the weeds. we get into conversations. and as we fall in love
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We get into conversations. and as we fall in love with god's people,
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And as we fall in love with god's people, as we begin to see
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With god's people, as we begin to see that leadership loves us,
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As we begin to see that leadership loves us, they're not perfect
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That leadership loves us, they're not perfect but they love us,
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They're not perfect but they love us, then my intent
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But they love us, then my intent is not to tear the house down
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Then my intent is not to tear the house down but to do
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Is not to tear the house down but to do what you're talking about.
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But to do what you're talking about. go in and say, hey,
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What you're talking about. go in and say, hey, i have a solution to this.
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Go in and say, hey, i have a solution to this. can i help fill that crack?
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I have a solution to this. can i help fill that crack? oh no, there is a crack.
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Can i help fill that crack? oh no, there is a crack. you need to deal with that.
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Oh no, there is a crack. you need to deal with that. randy: that is so right.
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You need to deal with that. randy: that is so right. here's a difficult part for me
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Randy: that is so right. here's a difficult part for me and i'm wondering if
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Here's a difficult part for me and i'm wondering if you've had to deal with this.
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And i'm wondering if you've had to deal with this. i suspect you have, we all do.
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You've had to deal with this. i suspect you have, we all do. sometimes i go to a church
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I suspect you have, we all do. sometimes i go to a church and i go, i don't think
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Sometimes i go to a church and i go, i don't think that's what scripture says.
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And i go, i don't think that's what scripture says. i'm not --
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That's what scripture says. i'm not -- i never went to seminary.
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I'm not -- i never went to seminary. i'm not like
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I never went to seminary. i'm not like the chief theologian
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I'm not like the chief theologian of the church,
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The chief theologian of the church, i know that.
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Of the church, i know that. but what do you do
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I know that. but what do you do when you go in and you go,
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But what do you do when you go in and you go, i just, i think scripturally,
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When you go in and you go, i just, i think scripturally, it's just off.
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I just, i think scripturally, it's just off. do we just walk?
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It's just off. do we just walk? or do we have
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Do we just walk? or do we have another responsibility
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Or do we have another responsibility in that case, do you think?
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The power under
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The power under the control of meekness
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The control of meekness comes into play in the church.
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Comes into play in the church. because first of all,
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Because first of all, unlike you and i
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Unlike you and i who may go in
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I think a lot of people
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I think a lot of people don't know the word of god.
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I think a lot of people don't know the word of god. they don't even know if
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Don't know the word of god. they don't even know if they're being taught heresy.
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They don't even know if they're being taught heresy. randy: that's true.
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They're being taught heresy. randy: that's true. even some pastors!
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Randy: that's true. even some pastors! natalie: yeah,
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Even some pastors! natalie: yeah, they don't know.
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Natalie: yeah, they don't know. so there is an oblivion
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They don't know. so there is an oblivion of biblical illiteracy
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So there is an oblivion of biblical illiteracy that we're dealing with
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Of biblical illiteracy that we're dealing with right now
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That we're dealing with right now because of social media,
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Right now because of social media, and things like that.
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Because of social media, and things like that. so we have to realize
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And things like that. so we have to realize there are very few people
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So we have to realize there are very few people who are hearing some things
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There are very few people who are hearing some things and checking that.
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Who are hearing some things and checking that. so when we do,
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And checking that. so when we do, pastors don't really know
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So when we do, pastors don't really know what to do with that
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Pastors don't really know what to do with that when they get confronted.
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What to do with that when they get confronted. i think of esther
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And how she prayed
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And how she prayed and she fasted
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I'm not saying that pastors
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I'm not saying that pastors are kings by any means,
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Are kings by any means, but what i'm saying is
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But what i'm saying is that there is a time
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Where god gives us
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Where god gives us both favor and boldness
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Where god gives us both favor and boldness through power under control
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Both favor and boldness through power under control after we have prayed
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Through power under control after we have prayed and fasted over something
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After we have prayed and fasted over something to say, god,
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And fasted over something to say, god, would you have me contend
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To say, god, would you have me contend for the culture of this house
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Would you have me contend for the culture of this house right now?
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For the culture of this house right now? or are you going to do that
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Right now? or are you going to do that through someone else?
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Or are you going to do that through someone else? that's hard for a lot of us
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Through someone else? that's hard for a lot of us who are trigger-happy.
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That's hard for a lot of us who are trigger-happy. because we want to like,
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Who are trigger-happy. because we want to like, that's wrong!
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Because we want to like, that's wrong! you can't say that.
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That's wrong! you can't say that. but for me
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You can't say that. but for me when i've had this happen,
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But for me when i've had this happen, and i've had it happen a lot,
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When i've had this happen, and i've had it happen a lot, especially traveling all over
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And i've had it happen a lot, especially traveling all over the world where i'm like,
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Especially traveling all over the world where i'm like, oh, i think that's off.
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The world where i'm like, oh, i think that's off. i go home and i want to write
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Oh, i think that's off. i go home and i want to write an email, "you've just
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I go home and i want to write an email, "you've just deceived a lot of people."
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An email, "you've just deceived a lot of people." what the lord is teaching me
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Deceived a lot of people." what the lord is teaching me is that with truth, humility,
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What the lord is teaching me is that with truth, humility, and love we sit in the tension
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Is that with truth, humility, and love we sit in the tension of not being able to fix it.
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And love we sit in the tension of not being able to fix it. and we ask him, god,
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Of not being able to fix it. and we ask him, god, in your holy spirit
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And we ask him, god, in your holy spirit will you convict that pastor
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In your holy spirit will you convict that pastor that he missed that?
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Will you convict that pastor that he missed that? then i'm going to study,
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That he missed that? then i'm going to study, i'm going to get into my word.
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Then i'm going to study, i'm going to get into my word. i'm going to dissect this
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I'm going to get into my word. i'm going to dissect this 100 different ways
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I'm going to dissect this 100 different ways to make sure i'm not wrong.
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100 different ways to make sure i'm not wrong. then i'm going to pray and
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To make sure i'm not wrong. then i'm going to pray and fast for how to move forward.
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Then i'm going to pray and fast for how to move forward. and sometimes the lord
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Fast for how to move forward. and sometimes the lord will give me the green light,
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And sometimes the lord will give me the green light, and other times he says,
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Will give me the green light, and other times he says, it is not your battle.
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And other times he says, it is not your battle. so discernment is knowing
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It is not your battle. so discernment is knowing when to go into the fight
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So discernment is knowing when to go into the fight and when to sit back
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When to go into the fight and when to sit back and let god fight it.
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And when to sit back and let god fight it. and that just takes time, and
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And let god fight it. and that just takes time, and honestly, spiritual maturity.
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And that just takes time, and honestly, spiritual maturity. tammy: that is good wisdom,
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Honestly, spiritual maturity. tammy: that is good wisdom, right there. honestly!
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Tammy: that is good wisdom, right there. honestly! because so many of us
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Right there. honestly! because so many of us are so quick, randy,
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Because so many of us are so quick, randy, like you said, of --
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Are so quick, randy, like you said, of -- randy: i am. i notice.
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Like you said, of -- randy: i am. i notice. i want to say something.
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Randy: i am. i notice. i want to say something. my wife is like, "be quiet."
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I want to say something. my wife is like, "be quiet." natalie: but it is because
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My wife is like, "be quiet." natalie: but it is because you care and i don't want
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Natalie: but it is because you care and i don't want to tell people don't care.
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You care and i don't want to tell people don't care. that is an honest reaction
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To tell people don't care. that is an honest reaction to be like wow!
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That is an honest reaction to be like wow! you're deceiving the sheep.
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To be like wow! you're deceiving the sheep. but i am learning
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You're deceiving the sheep. but i am learning that i can bring more chaos
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But i am learning that i can bring more chaos with my emotions
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That i can bring more chaos with my emotions than if i just let
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With my emotions than if i just let the holy spirit be the one
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Than if i just let the holy spirit be the one to do the convicting
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The holy spirit be the one to do the convicting and allow him to tell me
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Tammy: but the maturity in
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Tammy: but the maturity in your relationship with jesus
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Your relationship with jesus to say, let me go home,
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To say, let me go home, let me sit in this for a bit.
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Let me sit in this for a bit. let me pray
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Let me pray that the holy spirit
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That the holy spirit will do the convicting.
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The holy spirit, let the
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The holy spirit, let the holy spirit do his job.
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The holy spirit, let the holy spirit do his job. and then let me get
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Holy spirit do his job. and then let me get into the word
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And then let me get into the word and teach me something there
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Into the word and teach me something there and wait for the green light
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And teach me something there and wait for the green light or wait for the red light.
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And wait for the green light or wait for the red light. you're right.
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Or wait for the red light. you're right. not everything
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You're right. not everything is our assignment.
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Not everything is our assignment. not everything we have
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Is our assignment. not everything we have to have our hands into.
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Not everything we have to have our hands into. but pray over it, completely.
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To have our hands into. but pray over it, completely. pray over everything.
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But pray over it, completely. pray over everything. and i know that god
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Pray over everything. and i know that god will always have his way.
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And i know that god will always have his way. he will send the right people,
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Will always have his way. he will send the right people, i think, to convict,
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He will send the right people, i think, to convict, along with the holy spirit.
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I think, to convict, along with the holy spirit. but how has this book
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Along with the holy spirit. but how has this book changed you?
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But how has this book changed you? how has it changed
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Changed you? how has it changed your ministry?
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How has it changed your ministry? natalie: it's given me
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Your ministry? natalie: it's given me a much more sensitive heart
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Natalie: it's given me a much more sensitive heart toward pastors, honestly.
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A much more sensitive heart toward pastors, honestly. because being a pastor's kid
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Toward pastors, honestly. because being a pastor's kid you grow up being empathetic
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Because being a pastor's kid you grow up being empathetic to your father.
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You grow up being empathetic to your father. you see what
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To your father. you see what your father goes through.
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You see what your father goes through. and then you also get
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Your father goes through. and then you also get a little bit hardened
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And then you also get a little bit hardened because you see
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A little bit hardened because you see that there are, yes, shepherds
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Because you see that there are, yes, shepherds doing a really good job
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That there are, yes, shepherds doing a really good job but then you also see the ones
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Doing a really good job but then you also see the ones that are struggling
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But then you also see the ones that are struggling or who aren't protecting
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The way that they should.
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The way that they should. so as i've been traveling
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So as i've been traveling with this message,
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With this message, and i'm listening to pastors
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And i'm listening to pastors talking about how hard it is
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Talking about how hard it is to lead sheep well
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To lead sheep well in a deconstruction movement
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That we're seeing politically,
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That we're seeing politically, and the division
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That we're seeing politically, and the division that's happening
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And the division that's happening within the church,
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That's happening within the church, it's given me a tenderness
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Within the church, it's given me a tenderness back for the shepherds
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It's given me a tenderness back for the shepherds to understand that rebuilding
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Back for the shepherds to understand that rebuilding costs us all something.
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To understand that rebuilding costs us all something. because any time
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Costs us all something. because any time in the scriptures
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Because any time in the scriptures that god asks his people
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In the scriptures that god asks his people to tear down something,
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That god asks his people to tear down something, and there has been
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To tear down something, and there has been some healthy deconstruction
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And there has been some healthy deconstruction that has needed to happen
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Some healthy deconstruction that has needed to happen in the church,
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That has needed to happen in the church, where our foundations needed
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In the church, where our foundations needed to have a little
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Where our foundations needed to have a little of a rubblezation,
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To have a little of a rubblezation, where we tore some things up.
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Of a rubblezation, where we tore some things up. but it is hard to rebuild
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Where we tore some things up. but it is hard to rebuild when people
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But it is hard to rebuild when people are constantly skeptical
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When people are constantly skeptical and waiting for you to fall
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Are constantly skeptical and waiting for you to fall or to fail.
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And waiting for you to fall or to fail. so this book has given me a
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Or to fail. so this book has given me a tenderness towards shepherds,
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So this book has given me a tenderness towards shepherds, and also a patience
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Tenderness towards shepherds, and also a patience with the sheep.
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And also a patience with the sheep. to say that
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With the sheep. to say that we have been deceived
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To say that we have been deceived in so many ways
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We have been deceived in so many ways through social media,
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In so many ways through social media, through wolves
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Through social media, through wolves in sheep's clothing,
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Through wolves in sheep's clothing, all of those things
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In sheep's clothing, all of those things and that we are just a bunch
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All of those things and that we are just a bunch of humans trying to carry
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And that we are just a bunch of humans trying to carry this perfect gospel.
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Of humans trying to carry this perfect gospel. and so if we can
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This perfect gospel. and so if we can just give the same grace
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And so if we can just give the same grace that we have received
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Just give the same grace that we have received from our father,
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That we have received from our father, then we won't be so quick
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From our father, then we won't be so quick to be critics.
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Then we won't be so quick to be critics. we will be more patient and
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To be critics. we will be more patient and loving and kind and caring,
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We will be more patient and loving and kind and caring, all that fruit
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Loving and kind and caring, all that fruit that we've been talking about.
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All that fruit that we've been talking about. and so i just pray
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That we've been talking about. and so i just pray as i travel,
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And so i just pray as i travel, lord, you are so kind.
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As i travel, lord, you are so kind. there are more good churches
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Lord, you are so kind. there are more good churches than bad churches.
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There are more good churches than bad churches. there are more
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Than bad churches. there are more healthy shepherds
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There are more healthy shepherds than unhealthy shepherds.
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Healthy shepherds than unhealthy shepherds. i want to encourage
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Than unhealthy shepherds. i want to encourage everyone listening
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I want to encourage everyone listening that yes, you've probably
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Everyone listening that yes, you've probably had a bad experience
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That yes, you've probably had a bad experience with one church
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Had a bad experience with one church but for every one
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With one church but for every one that has wounded you
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But for every one that has wounded you there are 100 more willing
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That has wounded you there are 100 more willing to help you heal.
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There are 100 more willing to help you heal. that is what
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To help you heal. that is what we're contending for
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That is what we're contending for in this book.
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We're contending for in this book. randy: there is hope.
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In this book. randy: there is hope. there is always hope.
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Randy: there is hope. there is always hope. i love it. okay.
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There is always hope. i love it. okay. there is hope for you
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I love it. okay. there is hope for you in your church.
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There is hope for you in your church. a big part of that
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In your church. a big part of that is serving the community,
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A big part of that is serving the community, serving the people around you,
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Is serving the community, serving the people around you, whether you're in leadership
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Serving the people around you, whether you're in leadership or you're just a member
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Whether you're in leadership or you're just a member of the church.
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Or you're just a member of the church. the idea of getting out there
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Of the church. the idea of getting out there and finding that need
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The idea of getting out there and finding that need and not exploiting it
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And finding that need and not exploiting it but being part
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And not exploiting it but being part of the solution.
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But being part of the solution. and that goes for
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Of the solution. and that goes for not just your local church,
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And that goes for not just your local church, not just our country,
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Not just your local church, not just our country, but around the world.
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We have an opportunity
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We have an opportunity where there is a great need
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The pictures and hear
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The pictures and hear the stories that we hear
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The stories that we hear if we didn't know
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If we didn't know that we could do something.
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That we could do something. let's just give them water
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Let's just give them water that they can drink
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That they can drink and not have to worry about.
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And not have to worry about. we know this works
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We know this works because, over the years,
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Because, over the years, we're getting up
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We're getting up close to 9,000 wells now.
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Close to 9,000 wells now. but this year, right now,
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But this year, right now, our goal is 350 wells
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Our goal is 350 wells in 20 nations.
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In 20 nations. we're only going to meet that
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We're only going to meet that if people just like you
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If people just like you step up and say, yes,
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Step up and say, yes, i want to be a part
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I want to be a part of water for life.
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Of water for life. you can bless someone today.
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You can bless someone today. you can bless many people
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You can bless many people today.
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Today. let me give you the breakdown
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Let me give you the breakdown real quick.
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Real quick. the average well
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The average well costs about $4800.
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Costs about $4800. it varies depending
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It varies depending on the location, the soil,
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On the location, the soil, and the transportation.
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And the transportation. there are a lot of factors
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There are a lot of factors there but when we look at
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There but when we look at the whole program
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The whole program and average it out,
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And average it out, for $4800 on average
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For $4800 on average we'll drill a well.
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We'll drill a well. that well will last
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That well will last for about seventy years
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For about seventy years because we do
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Because we do a really good job of it.
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A really good job of it. not all wells are the same.
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Not all wells are the same. we put in a quality well
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We put in a quality well that is going to last
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That is going to last for basically a generation.
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For basically a generation. we call it a lifetime.
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We call it a lifetime. and that well will on average
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And that well will on average service about 1,000 people;
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Service about 1,000 people; people literally come
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And i know, tammy,
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And i know, tammy, you've seen -- it becomes
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And i know, tammy, you've seen -- it becomes a congregation point.
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I've been there!
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I've been there! i've been there when the --
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I've been there when the -- randy: it's a beautiful thing.
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Randy: it's a beautiful thing. we've gone back years later
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We've gone back years later and seen that.
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And seen that. but your gift today of $48
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But your gift today of $48 will provide water
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Will provide water for a lifetime for ten people.
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For a lifetime for ten people. that's how simple it is.
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That's how simple it is. a gift of $144 will provide
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A gift of $144 will provide that same fresh
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That same fresh clean drinking water
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Clean drinking water for 30 people.
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For 30 people. some of you can provide
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Some of you can provide a whole well.
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A whole well. i've known people
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I've known people who have been able
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Who have been able to provide multiple wells.
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To provide multiple wells. we're just asking
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We're just asking that you do what god
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Tammy: so go online,
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Tammy: so go online, go to your phone,
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Tammy: so go online, go to your phone, and give the very best gift
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Go to your phone, and give the very best gift you can today.
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And give the very best gift you can today. whatever god's laying
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You can today. whatever god's laying on your heart, then give.
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Every day, thousands of lives are lost
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To waterborne disease,
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And nearly half of those are children
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Under the age of five.
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Through mission: water for life
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You can give mothers hope and children a future
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As we provide clean, life-giving water
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For thousands of children and their families
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Before it's too late.
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With your gift today, you can help drill
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And establish 350 water wells this year.
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Your gift of $24
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Will help provide clean water for five children.
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A gift of $48 will help provide for ten.
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And $144 will help provide
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Life-giving water for 30 people
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For a lifetime.
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With a gift of any amount,
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We'll send you dr. don colbert's new book
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Spiritual health zone.
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Discover the key to living in divine health
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As you find a roadmap
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To adding joy, peace, and years to your life.
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With your gift of $100 or more,
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You may request the
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"he restores my soul" candle set.
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This decorative candle and match set
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Will inspire you to remember
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The restoring presence of jesus,
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The true light of the world.
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Finally, please consider a gift of $1200
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To help provide water for 250 people
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Or a gift of $4800
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To help sponsor a complete well,
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And request our new bronze sculpture,
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"lion of judah"
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Inspired by revelation 5:5.
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Please call, write, or make your gift online today!
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Randy: what an opportunity.
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Randy: what an opportunity. what a need!
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Randy: what an opportunity. what a need! but we can be the solution
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What a need! but we can be the solution to that need.
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But we can be the solution to that need. i hope you'll go online
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To that need. i hope you'll go online or go to the phone.
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I hope you'll go online or go to the phone. make the best gift you can!
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Or go to the phone. make the best gift you can! and then look around you.
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Make the best gift you can! and then look around you. the house that jesus built
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And then look around you. the house that jesus built is everywhere
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The house that jesus built is everywhere and we're a part of it.
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Is everywhere and we're a part of it. and that is the book.
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And we're a part of it. and that is the book. you can pick up natalie's book
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And that is the book. you can pick up natalie's book wherever you get books.
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You can pick up natalie's book wherever you get books. natalie, thank you so much!
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Wherever you get books. natalie, thank you so much! natalie: thank you
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Natalie, thank you so much! natalie: thank you for having me.
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Natalie: thank you for having me. tammy: loved having you here.
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For having me. tammy: loved having you here. it is not just a book
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Tammy: loved having you here. it is not just a book for leaders but a book for
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It is not just a book for leaders but a book for every one of us as believers.
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For leaders but a book for every one of us as believers. so thank you for diving in.
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Every one of us as believers. so thank you for diving in. thank you for being bold
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So thank you for diving in. thank you for being bold and for speaking into my life
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Thank you for being bold and for speaking into my life and challenging me
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And for speaking into my life and challenging me in my own walk with jesus.
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And challenging me in my own walk with jesus. i hope it was a challenge
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In my own walk with jesus. i hope it was a challenge for you too, today.
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I hope it was a challenge for you too, today. and we'll see you next time
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For you too, today. and we'll see you next time on life today !
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Christine: hi! my name
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Christine: hi! my name is chris caine.
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Is chris caine. while reading the newspaper
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While reading the newspaper this morning i saw yet
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This morning i saw yet another tragedy and i guess
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Another tragedy and i guess wherever you look, it seems
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Wherever you look, it seems like there is adversity
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Of hopelessness.
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Of hopelessness. if it is not the stock market
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Of hopelessness. if it is not the stock market that's falling then
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If it is not the stock market that's falling then something else is happening
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That's falling then something else is happening or there is another crime
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Something else is happening or there is another crime or another violent encounter
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Or there is another crime or another violent encounter and it is easy to lose hope.
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Or another violent encounter and it is easy to lose hope. but the thing i've discovered
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And it is easy to lose hope. but the thing i've discovered is that the bible teaches us
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But the thing i've discovered is that the bible teaches us jesus is this hope we have,
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Is that the bible teaches us jesus is this hope we have, as an anchor for our soul,
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Jesus is this hope we have, as an anchor for our soul, both firm and secure.
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As an anchor for our soul, both firm and secure. regardless of
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Both firm and secure. regardless of the circumstances that
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Regardless of the circumstances that are happening around you,
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The circumstances that are happening around you, if you anchor your life
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Are happening around you, if you anchor your life on the hope of jesus christ
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If you anchor your life on the hope of jesus christ then he is going to help you
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On the hope of jesus christ then he is going to help you to rise up above the storms
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Then he is going to help you to rise up above the storms of life and to be able to soar
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To rise up above the storms of life and to be able to soar above them into the future
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Of life and to be able to soar above them into the future and the destiny and the hope
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Above them into the future and the destiny and the hope that he has for you.
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And the destiny and the hope that he has for you. don't be weighed down
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That he has for you. don't be weighed down but step up above them
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Don't be weighed down but step up above them by looking unto jesus,
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But step up above them by looking unto jesus, the author of our faith.
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By looking unto jesus, the author of our faith. if we fix our eyes on him,
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The author of our faith. if we fix our eyes on him, don't fix your eyes
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If we fix our eyes on him, don't fix your eyes on your circumstances,
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Don't fix your eyes on your circumstances, don't fix your eyes
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Don't fix your eyes
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Don't fix your eyes on those things that have
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On those things that have disillusioned you or
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Disillusioned you or are currently discouraging you
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Are currently discouraging you but choose to fix your eyes
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But choose to fix your eyes on jesus and he will
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On jesus and he will fill you with hope.
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Says that we are
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Says that we are prisoners of hope.
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Says that we are prisoners of hope. now when you are prisoner,
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Prisoners of hope. now when you are prisoner, you're locked in a jail cell
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Now when you are prisoner, you're locked in a jail cell and you're chained
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You're locked in a jail cell and you're chained to those bars.
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And you're chained to those bars. the bible teaches us make sure
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To those bars. the bible teaches us make sure that you chain yourself
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The bible teaches us make sure that you chain yourself to the hope of jesus.
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That you chain yourself to the hope of jesus. in fact, make it really
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To the hope of jesus. in fact, make it really difficult for anyone
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In fact, make it really difficult for anyone to make you hopeless
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Difficult for anyone to make you hopeless or without hope.
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To make you hopeless or without hope. if you put your trust
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Or without hope. if you put your trust in things or if you put
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If you put your trust in things or if you put your trust in people,
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In things or if you put your trust in people, you will be disappointed --
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Your trust in people, you will be disappointed -- things break,
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You will be disappointed -- things break, and things are lost.
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Things break, and things are lost. people will hurt you.
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And things are lost. people will hurt you. people do disappoint you.
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People will hurt you. people do disappoint you. but jesus, he will never
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People do disappoint you. but jesus, he will never leave you,
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But jesus, he will never leave you, he will never forsake you,
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Leave you, he will never forsake you, and he is this hope
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He will never forsake you, and he is this hope that we have as an anchor
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And he is this hope that we have as an anchor for our soul.
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That we have as an anchor for our soul. i don't know what you're
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For our soul. i don't know what you're confronting today, but
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I don't know what you're confronting today, but if you place your hope in him,
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Confronting today, but if you place your hope in him, he will raise you up
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If you place your hope in him, he will raise you up out of your hopelessness
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He will raise you up out of your hopelessness and despair and give you
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Out of your hopelessness and despair and give you a future and a destiny.
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And despair and give you a future and a destiny. god bless you.
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For over 60 years, life outreach international
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Has shared the transforming truth of god's love
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In both word and deed.
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We are forever grateful to everyone who has joined us
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In our mission of providing water to the thirsty,
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Food to the hungry, shelter to the orphan,
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And meeting the various needs of those who are struggling.
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Our ministry to the lost and hurting
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Is only made possible because of the prayers
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And generous gifts of our friends and partners
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Who provide consistent, faithful support.
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Become a friend for life partner
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With your recurring financial gifts.
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We'll send you our monthly newsletter,
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Along with encouraging spiritual resources
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To uplift and inspire you in your daily christian walk.
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Best of all, you will be blessed to know
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That your ongoing gift is helping make possible
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The outreaches of life.
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Your monthly support will help us continue
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To bring god's love, hope, and healing
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To a world in need one life at a time.
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>> and it means zero percent chance of survival.
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Brooke martin's faith and vulnerability
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Brought healing, resistance,
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And recovery -- tomorrow!
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Life today is made possible by the supporters of life outreach international.
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Your gift will be used exclusively for the exempt purposes of life.
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The ministry features specific outreaches
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As examples of the programs it supports and conducts.
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Gifts are considered to be without restriction
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As to use unless explicitly stipulated by the donor.
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The ministry is a member of the ecfa.
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Natalie Runion - Broken Churches

January 27, 2025 | S25:E26

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