John Bradshaw - To Hell And Back

January 19, 2025 | S25:E3

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  • >>john bradshaw: this is it is written.
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  • I'm john bradshaw. thanks for joining me.
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  • It seems to me that many people have a strange relationship
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  • With hell, an odd sort of relationship.
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  • I mean, think of the way people talk about hell,
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  • The way people refer to it.
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  • [bird chirping, water splashing]
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  • "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
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  • You can debate the appropriateness
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  • Of a statement like that, but think of what it means.
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  • It means that as bad as hell might be,
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  • It's not as bad as an angry woman.
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  • Now, i know we can't afford to take these phrases literally,
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  • But it really sounds like people aren't taking hell seriously.
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  • "the man was hellbent on doing something."
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  • I don't even know what that means, to be honest with you,
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  • Although we know it means he was determined.
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  • "it isn't going to happen, come hell or high water."
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  • Which is five more words
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  • That don't logically mean anything at all,
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  • But we interpret that to mean that something
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  • Just isn't going to happen no matter what.
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  • "it was a living hell."
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  • Oh, look, it really wasn't, but we get the point.
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  • It was bad. it was terrible.
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  • And typically that's said in connection with something
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  • Really very bad.
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  • A country's civil war was "a living hell."
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  • Living with the injury as a result of that accident
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  • Was "a living hell."
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  • Being in a terrible prison... we get the idea.
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  • "it will happen when hell freezes over."
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  • "it was looking tense, and then all hell broke loose."
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  • "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
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  • That's actually a fairly useful one.
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  • Good intentions aren't enough.
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  • You've got to follow through on your promises and your plans.
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  • The saying indicates that there will be people
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  • Who don't make it into heaven who had every intention
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  • Of getting things sorted out between them and god,
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  • But...never happened.
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  • When it's said that the road to hell
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  • Is paved with good intentions,
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  • That's really a bit of a philosophical statement
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  • Intended to help people to see the need
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  • To take serious things seriously.
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  • But there's one saying about hell
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  • That we're actually going to see through today.
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  • We'll actually do it.
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  • Have you ever heard it said that somebody went to hell and back?
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  • Well, today on it is written we're actually going to go
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  • To hell and back.
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  • I don't mean that figuratively, and i'm not trying to be funny.
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  • We really are going to go to hell,
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  • And we'll really come back.
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  • Now, if i were to tell you that today we are going to go
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  • To hell, you shouldn't be all that surprised about that.
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  • And here's what i mean.
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  • There are some people who have claimed
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  • That they have visited hell.
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  • They've then come back from hell,
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  • Written books about it and spoken about it.
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  • And the remarkable thing is
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  • They've even been taken seriously.
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  • My wife and i were driving across northern idaho
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  • A good number of years ago,
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  • And because we needed to make a phone call,
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  • We stopped at a pay phone.
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  • Now, if you're a little younger,
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  • And you're not sure what a pay phone is,
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  • Ask someone 30 years of age or older,
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  • And they'll be able to fill you in.
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  • There used to be 2 million of them in the united states,
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  • But that number has dropped by about 90 percent.
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  • In some states there's only 2 percent or so
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  • Of the pay phones there used to be.
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  • Then came cell phones, and pay phones started disappearing.
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  • And now you don't see them lining the walls
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  • Of train stations and airports.
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  • That was back in the old days.
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  • So we stopped at a pay phone in idaho,
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  • And as i approached the phone,
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  • I noticed that little phone booth was festooned
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  • With small pink pieces of paper.
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  • They were everywhere,
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  • Tucked into every crack
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  • That they could possibly be tucked into.
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  • Now, even though curiosity killed the cat,
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  • I bravely took one of the pink papers
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  • And with some interest looked to see what it said.
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  • What i read fascinated me.
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  • Whoever had written this had--well, they claimed--
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  • Visited hell.
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  • That's right. they had been there.
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  • These were little homemade tracts that had been stuck
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  • All over this little pay phone booth.
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  • In fact, i still have some of them.
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  • I have no idea who wrote them or who wrote the excerpts.
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  • Somebody suggested to me these might be excerpts
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  • From a book written by somebody,
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  • Written by somebody who claims to have been to hell.
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  • Maybe you recognize this.
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  • I mean the writer no harm, but it's worth looking at this.
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  • Let me read to you.
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  • Jesus is acting as a tour guide
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  • And is chaperoning this individual around hell.
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  • ♪[eerie music]♪
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  • Hell is shaped like a body and is "in the center of the earth."
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  • This person says that just as there is a body of christ,
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  • Hell is shaped liked a body.
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  • And then the description goes on,
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  • Of brimstone pits and people whose flesh is being melted away
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  • By the heat and the flames.
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  • There are rats and there are snakes,
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  • And there are angels, fallen angels,
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  • The size of grizzly bears with wings that are broken down
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  • At the back, pushing people back into the pits
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  • Who would be trying to escape.
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  • What strikes me as strange about this
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  • Is that hell doesn't seem to destroy snakes and rats.
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  • A lot of people would hope that those things
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  • Would be among the first things to be destroyed.
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  • And something truly bizarre:
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  • Tracts like this make the devil out to be in charge of hell.
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  • Sinners suffer while the devil is in cahoots with god;
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  • He's helping god by causing the lost to suffer.
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  • Have we forgotten that jesus said in matthew 25:41,
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  • That hell is "prepared for the devil and his angels"?
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  • And not in the sense that it's prepared for them
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  • To do their business.
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  • Prepared for them.
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  • So is that what hell is like?
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  • No.
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  • So what's hell really like?
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  • Well, i told you a moment ago
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  • That we would go to hell and back, and we're almost there.
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  • We'll go there in just a moment.
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  • ♪[music]♪
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  • Is hell, yet it's one of the least understood.
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  • What does the bible really say about hell?
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  • Is there a hell?
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  • How long will it last?
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  • ♪[soft music]♪ [waves lapping]
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  • >>john bradshaw: thanks for joining me today
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  • On it is written.
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  • We are going to hell and back,
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  • Although this place doesn't look a lot like what you'd think
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  • Hell would be like.
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  • It looks more like what you'd imagine paradise to be.
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  • The island of grand cayman in the caribbean
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  • Really is beautiful.
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  • It's about 200 miles south of cuba
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  • And about the same distance west-northwest of jamaica.
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  • Mexico is about 400 miles in that direction.
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  • Honduras is a little closer,
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  • About 320 miles to the southwest.
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  • A little over 50,000 people live on grand cayman.
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  • About 9,000 others live on other cayman islands.
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  • And unless you don't like sand and the ocean and sunshine
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  • And breathtaking scenery, this place is beautiful.
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  • There's a reason cruise ships stop here.
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  • Scuba diving and snorkeling are big,
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  • Some of the best in the world.
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  • Beautiful beaches.
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  • Tourists flock here.
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  • The country is home to some of the world's largest banks,
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  • Most of the world's largest banks.
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  • And caymanians and cayman island companies are not taxed.
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  • So that old saying about death and taxes?
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  • Only half of that really applies here.
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  • And did i say it's beautiful here?
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  • ♪[upbeat instrumental music]♪
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  • The largest town on grand cayman is george town,
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  • The island's capital.
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  • Bodden town is in the middle of the island,
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  • And there's east end and north side and west bay.
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  • And oddly enough, there's a place
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  • Up in the northwest of the island called...hell.
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  • Now, it isn't a town, strictly speaking,
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  • But there's a service station and a post office,
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  • And you can send a postcard home from hell.
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  • So why in the world is there a place called hell
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  • On an island like this?
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  • Well, i said we'd go to hell today, and i was serious.
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  • We're going to hell to find out.
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  • ♪[percussion music]♪
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  • This isn't the only spot on earth
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  • That there's a place called hell.
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  • There's one in michigan, northwest of ann arbor.
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  • And in the cold winters there, you know what happens.
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  • This is hell, cayman islands.
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  • And why did it get its name?
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  • Well, hell in the cayman islands is an area about half the size
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  • Of a football field,
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  • And it's covered in short black limestone formations.
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  • So you can imagine someone once said something flippant
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  • About the geography, someone else was amused,
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  • And once it drew tourists, the name stuck.
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  • How many places in the world are there where you can go to hell?
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  • But you see what's happened?
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  • If hell was 10 percent as serious as the bible says it is,
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  • 5 percent, 1 percent, no one would be joking about it.
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  • It seems you wouldn't be naming a tourist attraction hell
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  • If you really thought that hell was a place of final destruction
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  • For lost people, people who have no hope
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  • Of ever experiencing salvation and eternal life.
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  • Serious business when you think about it, isn't it?
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  • Hell represents the end of the line,
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  • The no-turning-back point,
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  • The place of utter hopelessness for people,
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  • Where folks are eternally cut off from god.
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  • Is that something you joke about?
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  • So think about this from god's point of view.
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  • "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth."
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  • Well, what for?
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  • We were created for god's glory, according to isaiah 43:7.
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  • God created you so you could live with him forever,
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  • So close that the relationship between god and his children
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  • Is described in the bible as a marriage.
  • 00:11:57.139 --> 00:12:00.109
  • The book of song of solomon is a love story,
  • 00:12:00.109 --> 00:12:02.912
  • The story of solomon and a woman he loved.
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  • But it's also descriptive of the love of god for his church.
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  • God's love for humanity is serious.
  • 00:12:10.186 --> 00:12:13.088
  • And if you've ever doubted that, you just look at john 3:16,
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  • Which says that "god so loved the world,
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  • That he gave his only begotten son,
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  • That whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
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  • But have everlasting life."
  • 00:12:24.033 --> 00:12:25.401
  • Who dies on a cross?
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  • Who's crucified for someone else,
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  • Especially for people who've almost entirely rejected him?
  • 00:12:30.506 --> 00:12:33.876
  • Who does that?
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  • You've really only got two choices:
  • 00:12:35.344 --> 00:12:36.946
  • Either a mad man
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  • Or someone compelled by love to demonstrate that love
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  • In a desperate effort to save the lost.
  • 00:12:42.885 --> 00:12:46.121
  • So that's how god feels.
  • 00:12:46.121 --> 00:12:48.123
  • And then, hell is going to take place,
  • 00:12:48.123 --> 00:12:51.327
  • Where god's own children will perish.
  • 00:12:51.327 --> 00:12:55.497
  • And when you consider what the bible has to say
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  • About the fate of the lost, well, it's pretty descriptive.
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  • Revelation 14:9-11 says,
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  • "and the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
  • 00:13:05.674 --> 00:13:10.012
  • 'if any man worship the beast and his image,
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  • And receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand,
  • 00:13:13.749 --> 00:13:16.986
  • The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of god,
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  • Which is poured out without mixture
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  • Into the cup of his indignation;
  • 00:13:22.091 --> 00:13:24.493
  • And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone
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  • In the presence of the holy angels,
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  • And in the presence of the lamb:
  • 00:13:28.797 --> 00:13:31.433
  • And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
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  • And they have no rest day nor night,
  • 00:13:34.970 --> 00:13:37.439
  • Who worship the beast and his image,
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  • And whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'"
  • 00:13:40.309 --> 00:13:43.846
  • Revelation 20:9 and 10,
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  • "and they went up on the breadth of the earth,
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  • And compassed the camp of the saints about,
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  • And the beloved city:
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  • And fire came down from god out of heaven, and devoured them.
  • 00:13:53.055 --> 00:13:58.394
  • And the devil that deceived them
  • 00:13:58.394 --> 00:13:59.662
  • Was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
  • 00:13:59.662 --> 00:14:02.364
  • Where the beast and the false prophet are,
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  • And shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
  • 00:14:04.833 --> 00:14:09.972
  • So, does the story of the rich man and lazarus
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  • Fit in with this?
  • 00:14:13.275 --> 00:14:14.710
  • Well, not if you're being theologically consistent.
  • 00:14:14.710 --> 00:14:18.847
  • If you're being theologically responsible,
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  • You'll realize the story of the rich man and lazarus
  • 00:14:21.016 --> 00:14:24.320
  • Is a parable.
  • 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:25.854
  • God isn't teaching us that the saved and the lost
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  • Can speak to each other from their various abodes.
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  • No suffering soul is going to ask for a drop of water
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  • To relieve its stress.
  • 00:14:35.531 --> 00:14:37.633
  • The point of the rich man and lazarus story
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  • Isn't a commentary on the fate of the lost or the saved,
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  • But to teach us various things.
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  • Number one, being rich doesn't necessarily mean you're blessed,
  • 00:14:45.140 --> 00:14:49.311
  • And being a beggar, for example,
  • 00:14:49.311 --> 00:14:51.080
  • Certainly doesn't mean that you've been cursed by god.
  • 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.149
  • But that's what the pharisees believed.
  • 00:14:54.149 --> 00:14:56.051
  • This teaching was for them.
  • 00:14:56.051 --> 00:14:58.053
  • Second thing, the story teaches that you cannot be saved
  • 00:14:58.053 --> 00:15:01.590
  • By your family tree, by heredity.
  • 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:04.460
  • You certainly cannot be saved
  • 00:15:04.460 --> 00:15:05.995
  • Simply because you belong to a certain church.
  • 00:15:05.995 --> 00:15:09.298
  • Who does the rich man call out to
  • 00:15:09.298 --> 00:15:11.000
  • In the story of the rich man and lazarus?
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  • He calls out to father abraham.
  • 00:15:12.968 --> 00:15:16.605
  • The religious leaders in jesus' day proudly said,
  • 00:15:16.605 --> 00:15:19.408
  • "our father is abraham,"
  • 00:15:19.408 --> 00:15:20.642
  • And yet these children of abraham had the messiah
  • 00:15:20.642 --> 00:15:24.013
  • In their midst and rejected him.
  • 00:15:24.013 --> 00:15:27.516
  • The prophecies that they were studying told them
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  • When the messiah would come, which is why jesus,
  • 00:15:30.019 --> 00:15:33.655
  • When he was baptized, said, "the time is fulfilled,
  • 00:15:33.655 --> 00:15:37.760
  • And the kingdom of god is at hand."
  • 00:15:37.760 --> 00:15:39.328
  • That's mark chapter 1, verse 15.
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  • He was telling them that the prophecies in the book of daniel
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  • That pointed out the timing of the coming of the messiah
  • 00:15:44.666 --> 00:15:48.303
  • Had been fulfilled.
  • 00:15:48.303 --> 00:15:49.772
  • The messiah was in their midst,
  • 00:15:49.772 --> 00:15:52.141
  • And yet they're all about "we are the children of abraham."
  • 00:15:52.141 --> 00:15:55.577
  • Their hope was in the wrong place,
  • 00:15:55.577 --> 00:15:58.313
  • And this story was given to show them that.
  • 00:15:58.313 --> 00:16:00.849
  • And further, point number three, the rich man said this:
  • 00:16:00.849 --> 00:16:04.319
  • "i have five brothers.
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  • Send lazarus to them so that they'll know
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  • That they should make sure they don't come to this place."
  • 00:16:07.956 --> 00:16:10.759
  • And in the story he is told,
  • 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.961
  • "they have moses and the prophets."
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  • If they won't believe that, they won't be convinced,
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  • Even if someone went to them from the dead,
  • 00:16:18.700 --> 00:16:20.803
  • Which is interesting because an actual lazarus did come back
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  • From the dead, and still they rejected christ.
  • 00:16:24.873 --> 00:16:28.343
  • So the story is told to convince them--and us--
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  • That we should take moses and the prophets,
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  • The word of god, seriously.
  • 00:16:35.284 --> 00:16:38.954
  • So should we be scared of hell?
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  • And do many people even believe that there is a hell anymore?
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  • I'll have that next.
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  • On it is written.
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  • We've come to hell,
  • 00:17:30.272 --> 00:17:32.007
  • Hell on grand cayman in the cayman islands.
  • 00:17:32.007 --> 00:17:35.344
  • Years ago someone took a look at the geography
  • 00:17:35.344 --> 00:17:37.880
  • And made a remark, and the name hell stuck,
  • 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.382
  • And so today tourists can come here from all over the world
  • 00:17:40.382 --> 00:17:44.052
  • And say that they have been to hell.
  • 00:17:44.052 --> 00:17:46.822
  • You can even send a postcard or a letter home from hell,
  • 00:17:46.822 --> 00:17:50.592
  • With the hell postmark right on it.
  • 00:17:50.592 --> 00:17:53.795
  • Now, jesus certainly believed in hell.
  • 00:17:53.795 --> 00:17:56.765
  • Matthew 10:28, jesus says,
  • 00:17:56.765 --> 00:17:59.201
  • "fear not them [that are able to] kill the body,
  • 00:17:59.201 --> 00:18:01.670
  • But [cannot] kill the soul:
  • 00:18:01.670 --> 00:18:03.672
  • But rather fear him [who] is able to destroy
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  • Both soul and body in hell."
  • 00:18:06.041 --> 00:18:08.810
  • The bible speaks plainly about the subject,
  • 00:18:08.810 --> 00:18:11.813
  • But it's fair to say that often people wildly misconstrue
  • 00:18:11.813 --> 00:18:16.919
  • What the bible says about hell.
  • 00:18:16.919 --> 00:18:20.255
  • Take the story of the rich man and lazarus.
  • 00:18:20.322 --> 00:18:24.826
  • That's helped a lot of preachers over the years
  • 00:18:24.826 --> 00:18:27.229
  • Because it sounds as though you can point to the rich man
  • 00:18:27.229 --> 00:18:29.965
  • And make the case that lost people are condemned to suffer
  • 00:18:29.965 --> 00:18:33.869
  • In a place of fiery torment for all eternity.
  • 00:18:33.869 --> 00:18:38.674
  • But you don't need to misinterpret the parable
  • 00:18:38.674 --> 00:18:41.109
  • Of the rich man and lazarus to make the point very clearly
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  • That hell is no laughing matter.
  • 00:18:44.913 --> 00:18:47.015
  • Every time someone refers to hell in a casual sense
  • 00:18:47.015 --> 00:18:49.685
  • They're trivializing something that's phenomenally important.
  • 00:18:49.685 --> 00:18:53.655
  • It's like those cartoons depicting the devil
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  • Wearing a red suit and brandishing a pitchfork.
  • 00:18:55.824 --> 00:18:59.228
  • It diminishes the solemnity of the subject,
  • 00:18:59.228 --> 00:19:02.130
  • Makes something that should be taken seriously
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  • Nothing more than a laughing matter.
  • 00:19:04.933 --> 00:19:07.169
  • [waves fizzing and splashing]
  • 00:19:07.169 --> 00:19:13.709
  • So hell is serious.
  • 00:19:13.709 --> 00:19:16.645
  • Now, it seems that not that many people believe in hell anymore.
  • 00:19:16.645 --> 00:19:22.584
  • A survey by pew research
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  • Indicates that a little more than half of all americans
  • 00:19:24.253 --> 00:19:27.756
  • Believe in the existence of hell.
  • 00:19:27.756 --> 00:19:31.026
  • One would think that back in the days when jonathan edwards
  • 00:19:31.026 --> 00:19:34.396
  • Was preaching about "sinners in the hands of an angry god,"
  • 00:19:34.396 --> 00:19:38.433
  • Those numbers might have been a little bit higher.
  • 00:19:38.433 --> 00:19:41.436
  • "the wrath of god burns against them,
  • 00:19:41.503 --> 00:19:44.573
  • Their damnation does not slumber;
  • 00:19:44.573 --> 00:19:47.409
  • The pit is prepared, the fire is made ready,
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  • The furnace is now hot, ready to receive them;
  • 00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:56.218
  • The flames do now rage and glow.
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  • The glittering sword is whet, and held over them,
  • 00:19:59.588 --> 00:20:03.625
  • And the pit hath opened its mouth under them."
  • 00:20:03.625 --> 00:20:07.796
  • It might even be that sermons like that
  • 00:20:07.863 --> 00:20:10.399
  • Have got something to do with those numbers dropping.
  • 00:20:10.399 --> 00:20:13.769
  • You see, when you present god as cruel,
  • 00:20:13.769 --> 00:20:16.338
  • When you portray god as, as rubbing his hands together
  • 00:20:16.338 --> 00:20:19.474
  • With glee at the prospect of another suffering soul,
  • 00:20:19.474 --> 00:20:23.412
  • Thinking people reject that.
  • 00:20:23.412 --> 00:20:25.814
  • You cannot on the one hand say that god is love
  • 00:20:25.814 --> 00:20:29.318
  • And then depict god as though he's loving the process
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  • Of tormenting suffering sinners.
  • 00:20:33.221 --> 00:20:37.359
  • In ezekiel 33:11, god says,
  • 00:20:37.426 --> 00:20:41.063
  • "as i live...i have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
  • 00:20:41.063 --> 00:20:45.801
  • But that the wicked turn from his way and live:
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  • Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways;
  • 00:20:48.570 --> 00:20:53.141
  • For why will ye die, o house of israel?"
  • 00:20:53.141 --> 00:20:58.013
  • But again, while jesus believed in hell,
  • 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:01.316
  • And he made clear that sinners will ultimately be destroyed,
  • 00:21:01.316 --> 00:21:04.753
  • There's no reason to become theologically inaccurate
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  • When you talk about this.
  • 00:21:07.589 --> 00:21:09.191
  • I believe you'll find a lot of people have rejected god
  • 00:21:09.191 --> 00:21:12.027
  • Because of what people say about hell.
  • 00:21:12.027 --> 00:21:14.830
  • The thing is this: hell is ultimately going to destroy sin.
  • 00:21:14.830 --> 00:21:19.801
  • The very sad fact is that there will be many people
  • 00:21:19.801 --> 00:21:22.871
  • Who are attached to sin.
  • 00:21:22.871 --> 00:21:25.140
  • When god destroys sin, the unrepentant who've chosen sin
  • 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:29.778
  • Will be destroyed along with it.
  • 00:21:29.778 --> 00:21:33.148
  • So should a person live in fear of hell?
  • 00:21:33.148 --> 00:21:36.051
  • Well, anybody ought to have a healthy respect
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  • For what the future holds for them,
  • 00:21:38.353 --> 00:21:39.788
  • Should they choose to live in opposition to god.
  • 00:21:39.788 --> 00:21:42.424
  • But live in fear of hell?
  • 00:21:42.424 --> 00:21:44.726
  • No, your focus is in the wrong place when you do that.
  • 00:21:44.726 --> 00:21:48.230
  • In the old days, the preachers used to do everything they could
  • 00:21:48.230 --> 00:21:50.365
  • To make hell sound absolutely horrifyingly bad,
  • 00:21:50.365 --> 00:21:53.301
  • But when you focus on that, and when you talk about a god
  • 00:21:53.301 --> 00:21:56.738
  • Who just can't wait to fry people,
  • 00:21:56.738 --> 00:21:59.174
  • There's no wonder people give up on god altogether.
  • 00:21:59.174 --> 00:22:03.011
  • Now, you can use the subject to portray god as hateful
  • 00:22:03.011 --> 00:22:06.214
  • And cruel and vindictive,
  • 00:22:06.214 --> 00:22:08.183
  • But he isn't.
  • 00:22:08.183 --> 00:22:10.085
  • He is just, and he is going to get rid of sin.
  • 00:22:10.085 --> 00:22:14.322
  • But he's not a tyrant.
  • 00:22:14.322 --> 00:22:16.425
  • Too often people get told that god's going to send
  • 00:22:16.425 --> 00:22:19.027
  • Bad people to hell.
  • 00:22:19.027 --> 00:22:20.429
  • While you can make a case for that, it's a pretty lazy case.
  • 00:22:20.429 --> 00:22:25.000
  • The people who will be lost are those who've chosen
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  • Not to accept god's gift of eternal life through jesus.
  • 00:22:28.203 --> 00:22:32.374
  • Once you start saying,
  • 00:22:32.374 --> 00:22:33.442
  • "you'll be lost because of your drunkenness";
  • 00:22:33.442 --> 00:22:35.977
  • "you'll be lost because of your, your dishonesty"--
  • 00:22:35.977 --> 00:22:38.547
  • That sort of thing--
  • 00:22:38.547 --> 00:22:39.614
  • Essentially, all you're doing is being a legalist,
  • 00:22:39.614 --> 00:22:42.451
  • Telling somebody that they will be lost because of this deed
  • 00:22:42.451 --> 00:22:45.554
  • Or that deed.
  • 00:22:45.554 --> 00:22:46.655
  • Oh, now, of course i agree sin is bad;
  • 00:22:46.655 --> 00:22:49.024
  • I wouldn't say otherwise.
  • 00:22:49.024 --> 00:22:50.525
  • Romans 6, verse 23: "the wages of sin is death."
  • 00:22:50.525 --> 00:22:54.763
  • But people are lost because they don't have christ.
  • 00:22:54.763 --> 00:22:58.934
  • The drunkenness and the lying and whatever else,
  • 00:22:58.934 --> 00:23:02.337
  • They're just a symptom of that.
  • 00:23:02.337 --> 00:23:05.640
  • Jesus said in 1 john 5:12, "he that hath the son hath life;
  • 00:23:05.707 --> 00:23:11.546
  • And he that hath not the son of god hath not life."
  • 00:23:11.546 --> 00:23:15.617
  • And i want you to notice what jesus said in john 5, verse 40:
  • 00:23:15.617 --> 00:23:19.855
  • "and ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."
  • 00:23:19.855 --> 00:23:25.293
  • So how are things with you?
  • 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:27.596
  • When the subject of hell comes up,
  • 00:23:27.596 --> 00:23:29.998
  • It's usually presented one of two ways:
  • 00:23:29.998 --> 00:23:31.833
  • The hottest, the worstest, the roastingest,
  • 00:23:31.833 --> 00:23:35.470
  • God is the cruelest and the most unhappiest,
  • 00:23:35.470 --> 00:23:39.608
  • Or the subject just presented as though it's of no concern.
  • 00:23:39.608 --> 00:23:43.378
  • Well, it's of great concern.
  • 00:23:43.378 --> 00:23:45.514
  • And god is love; he's not cruel.
  • 00:23:45.514 --> 00:23:47.749
  • It doesn't mean this is not serious. it is.
  • 00:23:47.749 --> 00:23:50.085
  • But if we focus on the flames,
  • 00:23:50.085 --> 00:23:52.654
  • We're really not focusing on the most important thing.
  • 00:23:52.654 --> 00:23:55.023
  • And the most important thing is your heart
  • 00:23:55.023 --> 00:23:56.558
  • And whether god has it.
  • 00:23:56.558 --> 00:23:57.759
  • If jesus has your heart, you have his life as your own.
  • 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:01.963
  • The word of god says, "he that hath the son hath life."
  • 00:24:01.963 --> 00:24:04.399
  • First john 5, verse 12.
  • 00:24:04.399 --> 00:24:06.167
  • So the question really is, do you have the son?
  • 00:24:06.167 --> 00:24:10.739
  • And you can have him now by simply opening up your heart
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  • To jesus and saying, "i choose you; i accept you.
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  • Come into my life. be my lord and savior."
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  • Would you do that?
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  • I encourage you to do that now.
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  • And make certain that you have secured
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  • A bright, a joy-filled eternal future with a god of love.
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  • >>announcer 1: one of the most serious subjects in the bible
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  • Is hell, yet it's one of the least understood.
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  • What does the bible really say about hell?
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  • How long will it last?
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  • Exists because of the kindness of people just like you.
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  • >>john bradshaw: let's pray together now.
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  • Our father in heaven,
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  • ♪[soft music]♪
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  • We thank you today that you are good and holy
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  • And righteous and pure.
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  • Yes, we know that you are just,
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  • And we know that sin causes you great pain.
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  • We're thankful that one day it will be gone,
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  • That you'll rid this universe of sin.
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  • Heavenly father, right now there's someone
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  • Who has been thinking, if sin goes, i go.
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  • Friend, if that's your thought,
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  • Then let go of sin and take hold of jesus the savior.
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  • If you're not certain you can let go of your sin,
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  • Then just take hold of jesus anyway.
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  • He'll do the work that needs to be done.
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  • The bible says it is god who works in you
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  • "to will and to do of his good pleasure."
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  • Our father, would you do that?
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  • And we will look forward with confidence;
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  • We will look forward with hope;
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  • We will look forward with jesus living and abiding in us.
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  • Today we thank you.
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  • We thank you for the gift of eternal life,
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  • And we claim it, and we praise you for it, in jesus' name.
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  • Amen.
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  • Thank you so much for joining me.
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  • I'm looking forward to seeing you again next time.
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  • Until then, remember:
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  • "it is written, 'man shall not live by bread alone,
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  • But by every word that proceeds from the mouth of god.'"
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  • ♪[theme music]♪
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