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June 21, 2017
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Matt & Laurie Crouch host Sonny & Julie Arguinzoni in Los Angeles, CA

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  • - Matt Crouch: From beautiful
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  • Southern California, a beautiful
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  • day, and we want to introduce
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  • you to, in case you don't know,
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  • Sonny and Julie Arguinzoni.
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  • If there is a term--we're gonna
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  • coin a phrase--a Christian O.G.,
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  • Sonny, you're that, okay?
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  • You're one of the people that
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  • have been there, done that.
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  • - Laurie Crouch: You have to
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  • explain what an O.G. is.
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  • - Matt: Original Gangster,
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  • c'mon, now.
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  • I mean, he's from East L.A.
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  • so everyone knows what
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  • that means.
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  • - Sonny Arguinzoni: Originally
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  • New York City.
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  • - Matt: Yeah, originally
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  • New York.
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  • What are we gonna talk about?
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  • What are we gonna unpack today,
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  • Sonny?
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  • the program, I think the people
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  • need to understand that God
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  • uses common people.
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  • Sometimes, they kind of think
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  • that you have to be somebody
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  • special for God to use you, but
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  • when you look at our story and
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  • our testimony, she was from East
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  • L.A., I'm from New York City,
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  • common folk.
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  • In fact, it took a miracle
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  • for God to save me, deliver me,
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  • and then he called me into
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  • the ministry.
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  • - Matt: Love it.
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  • If we're introducing Sonny and
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  • Julie Arguinzoni to you,
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  • we want you to get to know them
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  • a little better.
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  • Take a peek at this, watch.
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  • - Dave Wilkerson: If you knew
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  • Sonny Arguinzoni like I knew
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  • him, you'd have to believe in
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  • miracles.
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  • I met him in the streets of
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  • New York, dirty, skinny,
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  • frightened, bound by drugs.
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  • - male announcer: In the '60s,
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  • the saying was, "Once a junkie,
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  • always a junkie," but God was
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  • always a junkie," but God was
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  • - Dave: I've watched Sonny
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  • over the years and it's been
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  • an amazing thing to see.
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  • God took him from the streets of
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  • this city, deep into heroin
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  • addiction, and saved him.
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  • - announcer: In New York City,
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  • Sonny was the first heroin
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  • addict to be reached by
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  • David Wilkerson through
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  • Teen Challenge Ministries.
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  • - Dave: If you'd have told me
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  • then that this young man there
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  • with a bullet hole in his leg,
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  • dirty needle marks in his arm,
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  • with a praying mother, would
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  • ever become a great man of God
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  • and a legend in his own time,
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  • I would have never believed it.
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  • - Sonny: But it's that little
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  • tugging that takes place deep
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  • inside our heart that, as you're
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  • sitting there, you begin to
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  • get nervous and something
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  • is happening inside.
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  • You don't know what it is but
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  • something is bugging you.
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  • My friend, it's the Holy Spirit.
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  • - announcer: While in Bible
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  • school in California, Sonny and
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  • his wife, Julie, felt the call
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  • of God and a deep burden for
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  • the streets of East Los Angeles.
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  • - Sonny: Victory Outreach
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  • Ministry is a ministry that
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  • first of all started in the
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  • heart of God and then I remember
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  • when he put the calling upon my
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  • heart to reach the treasures
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  • out of darkness.
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  • When I received that calling,
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  • I felt very, very inadequate
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  • because I really felt that I was
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  • the very least of the least.
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  • But that was the beginning of
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  • the Victory Outreach Ministry
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  • there with a humble, humble
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  • beginning in East Los Angeles.
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  • - announcer: Sonny and Julie
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  • began to bring drug addicts into
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  • their own home and see them
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  • delivered by the power of God.
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  • - Julie Arguinzoni: And
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  • I remember Sonny would go out
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  • every single day and go out
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  • witnessing and bringing
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  • young men home.
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  • Before you know it, we had
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  • a lot of men working with us.
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  • - announcer: Little did they
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  • know that what began in the
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  • streets of East L.A.
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  • would become one of the largest
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  • inner city ministries
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  • in the world.
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  • - Sonny: And God has given us
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  • every city in the world that's
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  • populated, that's infested with
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  • drug addiction and crime, where
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  • people don't know what to do.
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  • God is saying, "I have raised up
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  • a ministry of people that were
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  • those people and I'm gonna send
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  • 'em to the far corners of
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  • the world."
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  • - announcer: Today, as the drug
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  • epidemic continues to rise,
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  • Victory Outreach continues
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  • to reach drug addicts,
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  • gang members, and prostitutes.
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  • After 50 years of ministry, many
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  • people continue to partner with
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  • Sonny and Julie and
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  • Victory Outreach International
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  • in reaching a lost
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  • and hurting world.
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  • - Sonny: Lord, I pray that you
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  • continue to reach the addict.
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  • I pray that you continue to
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  • reach the gang member.
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  • I pray that you continue to
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  • reach these families that are
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  • lost and bound, because it's
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  • through your tender mercy and
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  • loving kindness that this
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  • is possible.
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  • - Matt: Okay,
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  • start from the beginning.
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  • New York City,
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  • you were strung out.
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  • Where does your story begin and
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  • - Sonny: Well, in New York City
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  • at the age of about 15,
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  • I started using drugs and then I
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  • got involved in heroin addiction
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  • and I totally
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  • dropped out of school.
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  • And the part about it is, is
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  • home.
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  • My family were Christians and in
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  • the beginning they would take me
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  • to church.
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  • But after a while, I rebelled
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  • against church.
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  • I rebelled against Christianity.
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  • I rebelled against God and I got
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  • heavy into the drugs.
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  • And usually when you get into
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  • drugs then you have to steal
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  • and rob to support your habits,
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  • and I was ten times in and out
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  • of all the prisons in
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  • New York City.
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  • And in those days, they would
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  • say--there was a slogan: "Once
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  • a junkie, always a junkie."
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  • And I accepted that.
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  • I'm a junkie, I'm a drug addict,
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  • and nobody is gonna be able to
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  • change my life.
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  • Until, you know, God works
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  • mysterious ways.
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  • I think it had a lot to do with
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  • the prayers of my mom.
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  • That's why those that are
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  • listening, if you're praying for
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  • your children, don't give up.
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  • God is hearing those prayers.
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  • And one day when I was just
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  • standing by a stoop in one of
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  • the tenement buildings in
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  • New York, a guy passed by.
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  • I had never seen anybody that
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  • was delivered from drugs in
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  • those days.
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  • And I saw this one guy pass by.
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  • I called him.
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  • I was waiting for some drugs to
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  • come from Harlem and then he--I
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  • said to him, "Listen, I want you
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  • to help me.
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  • I'm waiting for some drugs that
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  • are gonna come in, some heroin,
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  • and if you help me, I'll give
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  • you a fix and don't worry
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  • about--" He says,
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  • "You know what?
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  • I don't shoot drugs anymore.
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  • Jesus changed my life."
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  • When he told me that,
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  • I couldn't believe it.
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  • I said, "This guy's
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  • putting me on.
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  • Something's wrong over here."
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  • And I got so involved with him
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  • that he said, "If you don't
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  • believe me, I want you to come
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  • with me and I want you to
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  • meet some people."
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  • And I got so involved
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  • with it, when I look back,
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  • it was God at work, that I
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  • went with him and he took me
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  • over to Teen Challenge.
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  • Now, he didn't get saved in
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  • Teen Challenge.
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  • He got saved in one of
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  • the churches in New York.
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  • And he took me Teen--there
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  • wasn't any--that's when
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  • Dave Wilkerson just had started
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  • the ministry
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  • there in New York City.
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  • And that's where I met
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  • Nicky Cruz.
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  • Nicky began to witness to me how
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  • his life was changed and, from
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  • one step to another step, all of
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  • a sudden there, I experienced
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  • it, the greatest move of God
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  • within my life.
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  • And it took the miracle-working
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  • power of God to be able to
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  • deliver me.
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  • - Matt: What's interesting,
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  • though, is you had to see it to
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  • believe it.
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  • So if it wouldn't have been for
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  • the testimony of your person--
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  • like, that person that
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  • you knew was a drug addict and
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  • their life changed and they're
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  • walking it out, you would have
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  • never been able to--
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  • - Sonny: No, that's why it's
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  • so important for us that the
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  • experience that we experience
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  • with Jesus, we shouldn't keep it
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  • to ourselves.
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  • It doesn't matter what
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  • background you come from.
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  • Your testimony, their testimony,
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  • person's testimony that's been
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  • saved and delivered,
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  • is very important.
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  • It's able to touch the lives of
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  • other people.
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  • - Matt: How did you get called
  • 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:21.170
  • into the ministry?
  • 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:22.200
  • How did--what was that process
  • 00:08:22.200 --> 00:08:23.290
  • like?
  • 00:08:23.290 --> 00:08:24.280
  • If there's new Christians
  • 00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:26.220
  • maybe between, you know,
  • 00:08:28.280 --> 00:08:31.130
  • a conversion experience and then
  • 00:08:31.130 --> 00:08:32.280
  • feeling like you could really
  • 00:08:32.280 --> 00:08:34.070
  • help somebody else.
  • 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:35.100
  • What's that process like?
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  • - Sonny: Well, I think that
  • 00:08:37.100 --> 00:08:38.100
  • the important thing for anybody
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  • to recognize, any Christian
  • 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.170
  • to realize and to understand,
  • 00:08:41.170 --> 00:08:43.080
  • has a purpose for you.
  • 00:08:46.060 --> 00:08:48.220
  • I was at the Center
  • 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:50.070
  • and I didn't know what
  • 00:08:50.070 --> 00:08:51.190
  • the next step was gonna be.
  • 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:52.260
  • All I knew was that I got saved
  • 00:08:52.260 --> 00:08:54.220
  • and I started going out to
  • 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:55.170
  • the streets.
  • 00:08:55.170 --> 00:08:56.150
  • Dave had a vision of reaching
  • 00:08:56.150 --> 00:08:58.050
  • New York City.
  • 00:08:58.050 --> 00:08:59.230
  • And so Nicky and I would go out
  • 00:08:59.230 --> 00:09:02.080
  • and we would go and begin to
  • 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.090
  • witness to people.
  • 00:09:04.090 --> 00:09:05.190
  • I didn't know nothing about
  • 00:09:05.190 --> 00:09:07.080
  • preaching.
  • 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:08.170
  • I didn't know much about the
  • 00:09:08.170 --> 00:09:10.020
  • Bible, but I would go and just
  • 00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:12.280
  • give my testimony and from that
  • 00:09:12.280 --> 00:09:15.050
  • to move not only in Brooklyn and
  • 00:09:17.170 --> 00:09:19.020
  • began to move in Manhattan,
  • 00:09:19.020 --> 00:09:20.120
  • began to move in the Bronx.
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  • Revival broke out, and all of
  • 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:25.200
  • a sudden there was a revival
  • 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.170
  • that broke out in New York City.
  • 00:09:27.170 --> 00:09:29.070
  • And I'm in the midst of
  • 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:31.020
  • about 6 months or so, and Dave
  • 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:36.240
  • comes in one day and he says,
  • 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.160
  • "You know, God spoke to me last
  • 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:40.140
  • night," and if you know Dave,
  • 00:09:40.140 --> 00:09:42.000
  • that's the way he would be.
  • 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:43.020
  • And he says, "God told me that
  • 00:09:43.020 --> 00:09:44.040
  • you're to go to California,
  • 00:09:44.040 --> 00:09:46.230
  • to Bible school in California."
  • 00:09:46.230 --> 00:09:48.160
  • So I come to the Bible school
  • 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:50.170
  • and then I find out that the
  • 00:09:50.170 --> 00:09:52.180
  • Bible school is all in Spanish,
  • 00:09:52.180 --> 00:09:54.190
  • and I don't know Spanish.
  • 00:09:54.190 --> 00:09:57.170
  • - Matt: Well, you look like you
  • 00:09:57.170 --> 00:09:59.090
  • should know Spanish, c'mon.
  • 00:09:59.090 --> 00:10:01.010
  • Your name is Arguinzoni,
  • 00:10:01.010 --> 00:10:02.280
  • for goodness sake.
  • 00:10:02.280 --> 00:10:03.220
  • - Sonny: I used to hang out
  • 00:10:03.220 --> 00:10:04.120
  • with the Italian guys
  • 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:05.040
  • in New York City.
  • 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:07.200
  • And all of a sudden I found
  • 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.130
  • myself in a Spanish-speaking
  • 00:10:09.130 --> 00:10:11.120
  • Bible school.
  • 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:12.270
  • And then I saw this young lady
  • 00:10:12.270 --> 00:10:15.010
  • that was looking real good.
  • 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.000
  • That was Julie.
  • 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.200
  • Julie was there at the Bible
  • 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.160
  • school and she was also studying
  • 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:24.060
  • at the Bible school.
  • 00:10:24.060 --> 00:10:25.260
  • And then I said, "Well, I'm
  • 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:27.130
  • gonna go ahead, and Dave says
  • 00:10:27.130 --> 00:10:29.170
  • again, 'It's God,' I'm gonna
  • 00:10:29.170 --> 00:10:30.200
  • go ahead and stick it out."
  • 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.020
  • And I stuck it out.
  • 00:10:32.020 --> 00:10:33.120
  • I got involved--the very first
  • 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.140
  • year, I got involved and I
  • 00:10:35.280 --> 00:10:38.280
  • the streets.
  • 00:10:41.180 --> 00:10:42.240
  • And actually, from that team
  • 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.090
  • that I organized is where
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  • the Teen Challenge in
  • 00:10:45.180 --> 00:10:46.220
  • Los Angeles began.
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  • - Laurie: From the roll-in
  • 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:49.250
  • that we just saw,
  • 00:10:49.250 --> 00:10:50.160
  • you were having drug addicts
  • 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:51.140
  • come into your house.
  • 00:10:51.140 --> 00:10:53.250
  • So Sonny was bringing home these
  • 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:55.080
  • men that had a drug problem into
  • 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.190
  • your home.
  • 00:10:57.190 --> 00:10:58.210
  • How did that make you feel?
  • 00:10:58.210 --> 00:11:00.110
  • - Julie Arguinzoni: Well,
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  • when God spoke to him to start
  • 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:02.260
  • a church for drug addicts
  • 00:11:02.260 --> 00:11:03.270
  • and their families, I said, "Are
  • 00:11:03.270 --> 00:11:06.140
  • you sure that's what God said?"
  • 00:11:06.140 --> 00:11:07.160
  • And he said, "That's what God
  • 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:08.110
  • wants," and so then I said,
  • 00:11:08.110 --> 00:11:10.170
  • follow my husband,"
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  • so that's when he started
  • 00:11:14.130 --> 00:11:15.190
  • bringing people home.
  • 00:11:15.190 --> 00:11:17.200
  • And that's where it began,
  • 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.270
  • in our house.
  • 00:11:18.270 --> 00:11:19.260
  • - Sonny: At the time we didn't
  • 00:11:19.260 --> 00:11:20.250
  • have a church building
  • 00:11:20.250 --> 00:11:22.080
  • or anything.
  • 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:23.030
  • - Julie: We lived in
  • 00:11:23.030 --> 00:11:23.220
  • the projects.
  • 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:24.120
  • - Sonny: We lived in the
  • 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:25.030
  • projects and then I brought 'em
  • 00:11:25.030 --> 00:11:26.110
  • in and I'm ministering to 'em,
  • 00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:27.120
  • it got late.
  • 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.150
  • And then I say to Julie, "Julie,
  • 00:11:28.150 --> 00:11:29.240
  • make them something to eat."
  • 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.210
  • - Julie: I only had a little
  • 00:11:31.210 --> 00:11:32.130
  • bit of pancake mix and then
  • 00:11:32.130 --> 00:11:34.110
  • I was gonna go tell him, "You
  • 00:11:34.110 --> 00:11:35.060
  • know what?
  • 00:11:35.060 --> 00:11:35.210
  • There's nothing to eat here."
  • 00:11:35.210 --> 00:11:36.210
  • And so I was going out to let
  • 00:11:36.210 --> 00:11:38.130
  • him know and he was telling 'em,
  • 00:11:38.130 --> 00:11:40.070
  • you know, "God can do this
  • 00:11:40.070 --> 00:11:41.270
  • for you," the way he's showing
  • 00:11:41.270 --> 00:11:43.180
  • 'em his marks.
  • 00:11:43.180 --> 00:11:44.160
  • He still has his marks from
  • 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:45.140
  • the heroin addiction.
  • 00:11:45.140 --> 00:11:46.230
  • And "Look at--he could do it for
  • 00:11:46.230 --> 00:11:49.000
  • me, he could do it for you.
  • 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:50.040
  • And he's a great big God."
  • 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:51.150
  • And I'm looking at him and I'm
  • 00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:53.020
  • saying, "I can't tell these guys
  • 00:11:53.020 --> 00:11:54.070
  • that there's nothing to eat,"
  • 00:11:54.070 --> 00:11:56.080
  • you know?
  • 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:56.280
  • I can't bring down God
  • 00:11:56.280 --> 00:11:57.180
  • like that.
  • 00:11:57.180 --> 00:11:58.080
  • - Sonny: After I'm bragging
  • 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:58.280
  • about God.
  • 00:11:58.280 --> 00:11:59.180
  • - Julie: Yeah, so I went back
  • 00:11:59.180 --> 00:12:01.010
  • into the kitchen and I put the
  • 00:12:01.010 --> 00:12:02.010
  • pancake mix and I put water
  • 00:12:02.010 --> 00:12:03.290
  • and then I started praying and
  • 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.200
  • I just was praying, "Oh, God,
  • 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.120
  • you've gotta do a miracle for
  • 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.150
  • me," and I opened my eyes and it
  • 00:12:10.150 --> 00:12:12.210
  • came up on me and I had to get
  • 00:12:12.210 --> 00:12:15.090
  • another bowl and pour it into
  • 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:16.060
  • another bowl.
  • 00:12:16.060 --> 00:12:17.180
  • And he multiplied it right in
  • 00:12:17.180 --> 00:12:18.280
  • front of my eyes.
  • 00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:20.060
  • That was my first miracle.
  • 00:12:20.060 --> 00:12:21.280
  • And I remember I made pancakes
  • 00:12:21.280 --> 00:12:23.080
  • for everybody and I take it out.
  • 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.190
  • I take it out to him.
  • 00:12:25.190 --> 00:12:27.220
  • It's late already and he says,
  • 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:29.130
  • "Why pancakes?
  • 00:12:29.130 --> 00:12:31.020
  • There's a lot of--"
  • 00:12:31.020 --> 00:12:33.250
  • - Matt: These are blessed
  • 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:34.150
  • pancakes, er.
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:35.270
  • - Laurie: These are very
  • 00:12:35.270 --> 00:12:36.220
  • blessed.
  • 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:37.090
  • - Sonny: She called me on the
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:38.000
  • side and she says, "Listen, you
  • 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:38.220
  • eat those pancakes.
  • 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:41.150
  • It took a miracle."
  • 00:12:41.150 --> 00:12:44.130
  • - Laurie: Miracle pancakes.
  • 00:12:44.130 --> 00:12:45.070
  • - Sonny: Miracle pancakes.
  • 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:47.010
  • - Laurie: I love it.
  • 00:12:47.010 --> 00:12:47.220
  • - Matt: If you just tuned in,
  • 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:48.150
  • we're sitting with decade-long
  • 00:12:48.150 --> 00:12:51.100
  • friends, Sonny and
  • 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:52.250
  • Julie Arguinzoni.
  • 00:12:54.030 --> 00:12:57.030
  • Victory Outreach has been such
  • 00:12:57.030 --> 00:12:57.240
  • a part of the
  • 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.140
  • Trinity Broadcasting family.
  • 00:12:58.140 --> 00:13:00.090
  • Coming up later this summer with
  • 00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:01.060
  • Sonny and Julie Arguinzoni's
  • 00:13:01.060 --> 00:13:03.060
  • world outreach, Victory Outreach
  • 00:13:03.060 --> 00:13:04.210
  • And the information about it
  • 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:08.290
  • will be on the screen.
  • 00:13:08.290 --> 00:13:10.010
  • You've been willing to be a part
  • 00:13:10.010 --> 00:13:12.170
  • of the messy side of what
  • 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:15.280
  • ministry is, hugging addicts,
  • 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:18.030
  • dangerous people welcomed
  • 00:13:18.030 --> 00:13:20.010
  • into your home and homes.
  • 00:13:20.010 --> 00:13:21.230
  • We have a roll-in that we
  • 00:13:21.230 --> 00:13:24.180
  • wanna--that I wanna run through
  • 00:13:24.180 --> 00:13:26.050
  • and we're gonna reset a little
  • 00:13:26.050 --> 00:13:27.250
  • bit and come back in just a
  • 00:13:27.250 --> 00:13:28.290
  • moment with more of the story of
  • 00:13:28.290 --> 00:13:30.140
  • Sonny and Julie Arguinzoni.
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  • Sonny and Julie Arguinzoni.
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  • [m
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  • [mus
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  • [music
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  • [music]
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  • [m
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  • [mus
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  • [music
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  • - Sonny: We have thousands and
  • 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.000
  • thousands of men and women that
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.250
  • are in our rehab homes.
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  • We have one of the highest
  • 00:14:00.280 --> 00:14:02.050
  • success rates in reaching
  • 00:14:02.050 --> 00:14:04.030
  • drug addicts and gang members
  • 00:14:04.030 --> 00:14:05.170
  • in the world today.
  • 00:14:05.250 --> 00:14:08.250
  • [music]
  • 00:14:08.250 --> 00:14:09.150
  • That saved a wretch like me.
  • 00:14:11.150 --> 00:14:14.150
  • - announcer: And now with over
  • 00:14:14.150 --> 00:14:15.070
  • 15.000 residents in their men's
  • 00:14:15.070 --> 00:14:18.000
  • and women's recovery homes
  • 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.290
  • worldwide, Victory Outreach
  • 00:14:19.290 --> 00:14:22.020
  • continues to see deliverance,
  • 00:14:22.020 --> 00:14:24.160
  • transformation, restoration,
  • 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:26.290
  • and miracles take place in
  • 00:14:26.290 --> 00:14:28.210
  • the lives of people every day.
  • 00:14:28.210 --> 00:14:31.210
  • - female: I've seen God move
  • 00:14:31.210 --> 00:14:32.140
  • in a tremendous way.
  • 00:14:32.140 --> 00:14:34.090
  • I mean, I've seen women come in
  • 00:14:34.090 --> 00:14:35.070
  • with drug addiction for years,
  • 00:14:35.070 --> 00:14:37.290
  • being in prison, from gang
  • 00:14:37.290 --> 00:14:39.290
  • violence, roaming the streets,
  • 00:14:39.290 --> 00:14:42.040
  • prostitution and nevertheless,
  • 00:14:42.040 --> 00:14:44.110
  • no matter the background, God
  • 00:14:44.110 --> 00:14:46.080
  • has radically transformed each
  • 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:47.220
  • and every one of their lives.
  • 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:49.150
  • - male: I was a heroin addict
  • 00:14:49.150 --> 00:14:50.100
  • for 16 years.
  • 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:52.020
  • I came from the streets of
  • 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.030
  • Dublin, Ireland, and so I
  • 00:14:53.030 --> 00:14:54.220
  • accepted Jesus into my heart and
  • 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:56.050
  • he became my Lord and Savior.
  • 00:14:56.050 --> 00:14:58.050
  • - female: I was lost and bound.
  • 00:14:58.050 --> 00:15:00.220
  • - male: I was addicted to meth.
  • 00:15:00.220 --> 00:15:02.070
  • - male: I was homeless selling
  • 00:15:02.070 --> 00:15:04.020
  • drugs on the street.
  • 00:15:04.020 --> 00:15:05.140
  • [music]
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  • I surrender all to you.
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  • - Matt: Beautiful.
  • 00:15:19.030 --> 00:15:19.280
  • Do you know what my hope is?
  • 00:15:19.280 --> 00:15:21.230
  • My hope is that there's someone
  • 00:15:21.230 --> 00:15:22.250
  • viewing that understands that
  • 00:15:22.250 --> 00:15:23.280
  • these folks operate and are
  • 00:15:24.220 --> 00:15:27.220
  • currently today allowing as many
  • 00:15:28.280 --> 00:15:31.280
  • into one of their facilities.
  • 00:15:35.090 --> 00:15:37.050
  • Victory Outreach is not a hotel.
  • 00:15:37.050 --> 00:15:39.050
  • People are not paying to go
  • 00:15:39.050 --> 00:15:39.290
  • there.
  • 00:15:39.290 --> 00:15:42.090
  • They're being supported by gifts
  • 00:15:42.090 --> 00:15:43.270
  • and donations, and we want you
  • 00:15:43.270 --> 00:15:45.120
  • to know that in the viewing
  • 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.240
  • audience and we wanna help them.
  • 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.140
  • - Laurie: Okay, I have a
  • 00:15:48.140 --> 00:15:49.060
  • question about your family.
  • 00:15:49.060 --> 00:15:50.170
  • So you have children.
  • 00:15:50.170 --> 00:15:51.220
  • They were being raised up in
  • 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:53.110
  • this.
  • 00:15:53.110 --> 00:15:54.070
  • How was that for you, you know?
  • 00:15:54.100 --> 00:15:57.100
  • - Julie: Well, it started off,
  • 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:59.070
  • we're just taking in a few and
  • 00:15:59.070 --> 00:16:01.160
  • we lived like that for not
  • 00:16:01.160 --> 00:16:03.060
  • 1 year or 2 years or 3 years or
  • 00:16:03.060 --> 00:16:05.150
  • 4 years.
  • 00:16:05.150 --> 00:16:06.040
  • We lived like that for 14 years,
  • 00:16:06.040 --> 00:16:08.090
  • - Laurie: With your own little
  • 00:16:10.110 --> 00:16:11.190
  • kids?
  • 00:16:11.190 --> 00:16:12.040
  • - Julie: With my children
  • 00:16:12.040 --> 00:16:12.240
  • growing up, yeah.
  • 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:13.270
  • And I thought I was gonna live
  • 00:16:13.270 --> 00:16:15.010
  • like that forever.
  • 00:16:15.010 --> 00:16:16.040
  • I loved it.
  • 00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:17.060
  • Was up to, like, 75 people
  • 00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:18.150
  • living with us.
  • 00:16:18.150 --> 00:16:20.250
  • And one of the days I was
  • 00:16:20.250 --> 00:16:22.290
  • looking through my daughter's
  • 00:16:22.290 --> 00:16:24.140
  • "Here comes my mother again.
  • 00:16:26.030 --> 00:16:28.000
  • She's putting a drug addict into
  • 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:29.170
  • my bed again and I have to go
  • 00:16:29.170 --> 00:16:32.030
  • sleep in their bed because
  • 00:16:32.030 --> 00:16:35.000
  • she's given up my bed."
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  • And I realized, you know,
  • 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:38.220
  • my daughter's now 14 years old
  • 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:39.250
  • and it was affecting her.
  • 00:16:39.250 --> 00:16:42.210
  • And so then I started to pray.
  • 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:44.020
  • I said, "Lord, I need my own
  • 00:16:44.020 --> 00:16:44.260
  • house.
  • 00:16:44.260 --> 00:16:45.290
  • I need a house."
  • 00:16:45.290 --> 00:16:47.040
  • And miraculously, he came home
  • 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:50.210
  • one day and he presented me with
  • 00:16:50.210 --> 00:16:52.110
  • a key to a house and we were
  • 00:16:52.150 --> 00:16:55.150
  • able to move out of rehab.
  • 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:56.240
  • But my children, they grew up
  • 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.070
  • like that and they loved it.
  • 00:16:58.070 --> 00:17:00.290
  • They loved the drug addicts,
  • 00:17:00.290 --> 00:17:02.230
  • they love the person off
  • 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:03.250
  • the street.
  • 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:04.160
  • And to this day, they can
  • 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:05.120
  • identify with anybody, with
  • 00:17:05.120 --> 00:17:08.020
  • somebody from the street or
  • 00:17:08.020 --> 00:17:09.040
  • Christians.
  • 00:17:09.040 --> 00:17:11.080
  • They can identify with just
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:12.090
  • about anybody.
  • 00:17:12.090 --> 00:17:13.130
  • - Laurie: Wow, and they're all
  • 00:17:13.130 --> 00:17:14.050
  • in the ministry.
  • 00:17:14.050 --> 00:17:14.270
  • I know some--
  • 00:17:14.270 --> 00:17:15.230
  • - Julie: Yeah, all five of them
  • 00:17:15.230 --> 00:17:16.160
  • are backing us up in
  • 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:17.210
  • the ministry.
  • 00:17:17.210 --> 00:17:18.100
  • They're all involved.
  • 00:17:18.100 --> 00:17:19.050
  • And now my grandchildren
  • 00:17:19.050 --> 00:17:20.020
  • are involved.
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:20.280
  • So it's just--it's been such
  • 00:17:20.280 --> 00:17:22.100
  • a blessing from God.
  • 00:17:22.100 --> 00:17:23.200
  • - Sonny: There was a Scripture
  • 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.130
  • that was given to me, and
  • 00:17:24.130 --> 00:17:26.010
  • the Scripture was in Isaiah.
  • 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.200
  • - Julie: 45.
  • 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.260
  • - Sonny: 45 where he talks
  • 00:17:30.260 --> 00:17:32.000
  • about treasures out of darkness,
  • 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.060
  • you know, "You shall receive the
  • 00:17:34.060 --> 00:17:35.170
  • treasures out of darkness, and
  • 00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:37.270
  • I've given you those treasures."
  • 00:17:37.270 --> 00:17:39.090
  • So I took ahold of that
  • 00:17:39.090 --> 00:17:40.250
  • Scripture and then we began to
  • 00:17:40.250 --> 00:17:43.120
  • move forward.
  • 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:44.120
  • And that's when we began to have
  • 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:45.130
  • the breakthrough.
  • 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:46.090
  • Imagine if I would have quit.
  • 00:17:46.090 --> 00:17:47.000
  • I mean, the breakthrough was
  • 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.020
  • right around the corner and from
  • 00:17:49.020 --> 00:17:50.170
  • there the breakthrough began to
  • 00:17:50.170 --> 00:17:51.240
  • take place and then, right from
  • 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.060
  • there is where all of a sudden,
  • 00:17:53.230 --> 00:17:56.230
  • I was preaching one day, and as
  • 00:17:56.230 --> 00:17:58.090
  • I'm preaching to them, the
  • 00:17:58.090 --> 00:18:00.060
  • Spirit of God came upon me and I
  • 00:18:00.060 --> 00:18:02.040
  • began to prophesy and I would
  • 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:03.270
  • say--before that, I didn't have
  • 00:18:03.270 --> 00:18:06.050
  • no global vision, you know, it
  • 00:18:06.050 --> 00:18:07.270
  • was just one step at a time.
  • 00:18:07.270 --> 00:18:09.190
  • God giving you some insight and
  • 00:18:09.190 --> 00:18:11.250
  • we're doing something that had
  • 00:18:11.250 --> 00:18:13.070
  • never been done before so one
  • 00:18:13.070 --> 00:18:14.220
  • step at a time and then I would
  • 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:16.140
  • say, "Okay," and I didn't know
  • 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:18.150
  • what was gonna happen later on.
  • 00:18:18.150 --> 00:18:21.030
  • Where was I gonna take these
  • 00:18:21.030 --> 00:18:22.100
  • people?
  • 00:18:22.100 --> 00:18:23.010
  • What's gonna happen to them?
  • 00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:23.260
  • And all of a sudden, as I began
  • 00:18:23.260 --> 00:18:26.060
  • to--I was preaching one day and
  • 00:18:26.060 --> 00:18:28.170
  • the Spirit of God came upon me
  • 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:30.130
  • and I began to prophesy and I
  • 00:18:30.130 --> 00:18:32.200
  • said, "Many of you, God is gonna
  • 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.100
  • raise up pastors and evangelists
  • 00:18:36.050 --> 00:18:39.050
  • and teachers and missionaries.
  • 00:18:39.050 --> 00:18:40.270
  • He's gonna send you all over
  • 00:18:40.270 --> 00:18:42.060
  • the world to take the gospel
  • 00:18:42.060 --> 00:18:44.150
  • of Jesus Christ."
  • 00:18:44.150 --> 00:18:46.080
  • And after the anointing
  • 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:47.160
  • lifted from me,
  • 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:48.200
  • then I look and I see reality.
  • 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.030
  • You know, reality of the people
  • 00:18:51.030 --> 00:18:52.210
  • that were there.
  • 00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:54.090
  • And they were looking at each
  • 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:55.220
  • other, I mean, who are
  • 00:18:55.220 --> 00:18:56.110
  • the people that he--who was
  • 00:18:56.110 --> 00:18:57.130
  • he talking about?
  • 00:18:57.130 --> 00:18:58.230
  • - Matt: "Certainly, he's not
  • 00:18:58.230 --> 00:18:59.160
  • talking to me."
  • 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:00.030
  • - Sonny: "He's not talking to
  • 00:19:00.030 --> 00:19:00.240
  • me," and then I went and I told
  • 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.280
  • her after the service, you know,
  • 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:04.060
  • "What do you think about what
  • 00:19:04.060 --> 00:19:05.190
  • I said?"
  • 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:06.120
  • She said, "You sure were talking
  • 00:19:06.120 --> 00:19:08.130
  • big, that's all I know."
  • 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:10.260
  • And in one of those services,
  • 00:19:10.260 --> 00:19:13.050
  • this guy came up to me,
  • 00:19:13.050 --> 00:19:15.110
  • that I would ever choose
  • 00:19:17.260 --> 00:19:18.240
  • to be a pastor.
  • 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.180
  • And he came up to me and he said
  • 00:19:20.180 --> 00:19:22.230
  • to me, "You know what?"
  • 00:19:22.230 --> 00:19:23.280
  • And he had this--talking from
  • 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:24.290
  • the side of his mouth.
  • 00:19:24.290 --> 00:19:26.000
  • "You know what, Pastor?
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.150
  • I want you to know that
  • 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:29.250
  • everything--I've been listening
  • 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:31.000
  • to everything you've been saying
  • 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.150
  • and I want you to know that
  • 00:19:32.150 --> 00:19:33.270
  • - Laurie: My goodness.
  • 00:19:37.020 --> 00:19:37.260
  • - Sonny: And I looked at him
  • 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:39.210
  • and I said, "This is the last
  • 00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:41.160
  • guy that I would ever
  • 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.150
  • send anywhere."
  • 00:19:43.150 --> 00:19:45.090
  • And I said, "You know what?
  • 00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:46.000
  • Go back to your seat.
  • 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:46.250
  • Just be cool and go back to
  • 00:19:46.250 --> 00:19:47.250
  • your seat," and then again,
  • 00:19:47.260 --> 00:19:50.260
  • it happened to me again, and he
  • 00:19:50.260 --> 00:19:52.190
  • would come up again: "I wanna
  • 00:19:52.190 --> 00:19:54.060
  • remind you that I'm that guy
  • 00:19:54.060 --> 00:19:55.290
  • that you're talking about."
  • 00:19:55.290 --> 00:19:57.190
  • Do you know that he became
  • 00:19:57.190 --> 00:19:59.200
  • the very first pastor
  • 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.150
  • that we sent out?
  • 00:20:01.150 --> 00:20:02.210
  • He was the very first one.
  • 00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:04.010
  • to raise up others and we began
  • 00:20:06.030 --> 00:20:07.130
  • to send them out, and others and
  • 00:20:07.130 --> 00:20:09.020
  • we began to send 'em out.
  • 00:20:09.020 --> 00:20:10.180
  • And that's the way the ministry
  • 00:20:10.180 --> 00:20:11.260
  • began to grow.
  • 00:20:11.260 --> 00:20:12.170
  • - Matt: I would have known
  • 00:20:12.170 --> 00:20:13.080
  • this, Sonny, but I just put
  • 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:15.040
  • two and two together.
  • 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:16.180
  • The reason that Paul Crouch and
  • 00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:18.140
  • because you were both pioneering
  • 00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:22.180
  • something that had never been
  • 00:20:22.180 --> 00:20:23.090
  • done before.
  • 00:20:23.090 --> 00:20:23.290
  • - Sonny: That's right, that's
  • 00:20:23.290 --> 00:20:24.200
  • right.
  • 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:25.020
  • - Matt: You know,
  • 00:20:25.020 --> 00:20:25.220
  • there's--there had never been
  • 00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:26.210
  • a station group of Christian
  • 00:20:26.210 --> 00:20:29.000
  • television stations ever raised
  • 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.190
  • up and there had never been a
  • 00:20:30.190 --> 00:20:31.200
  • drug addict church ever created
  • 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.060
  • that multiplied globally.
  • 00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:34.200
  • - Sonny: And not only that but
  • 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.170
  • he had a passion.
  • 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:36.210
  • Right away, as soon as I met
  • 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:38.070
  • Paul, he had a passion for our
  • 00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:40.260
  • ministry.
  • 00:20:40.260 --> 00:20:42.240
  • You know, in one of our
  • 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:43.140
  • conferences, we had a whole
  • 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:46.010
  • choir.
  • 00:20:46.010 --> 00:20:47.220
  • How many were in the choir?
  • 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:48.170
  • - Julie: There was 1.000.
  • 00:20:48.170 --> 00:20:49.070
  • - Sonny: A thousand women that
  • 00:20:49.070 --> 00:20:51.170
  • were prostitutes and came out of
  • 00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:53.220
  • the streets of--streets from
  • 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:55.080
  • all over the world
  • 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:56.280
  • in one of our conferences.
  • 00:20:56.280 --> 00:20:58.020
  • We had David Wilkerson
  • 00:20:58.020 --> 00:20:59.100
  • was the speaker that night.
  • 00:20:59.100 --> 00:21:01.020
  • Now, you know Dave has been
  • 00:21:01.020 --> 00:21:02.120
  • involved a lot in inner city
  • 00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:03.070
  • ministry.
  • 00:21:03.070 --> 00:21:04.080
  • That's where God actually
  • 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:05.220
  • raised him up to reach out to.
  • 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:07.180
  • He made a comment.
  • 00:21:07.180 --> 00:21:09.270
  • He says, "I have never seen
  • 00:21:09.270 --> 00:21:12.070
  • in all my ministry
  • 00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:13.270
  • the manifestation
  • 00:21:13.270 --> 00:21:15.180
  • of the grace of God."
  • 00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:17.160
  • - Matt: Wow, 50 years now,
  • 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.200
  • Victory Outreach is celebrating
  • 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.170
  • 50 years, and you know, to the
  • 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.000
  • Sonny Arguinzoni that was a drug
  • 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.270
  • addict selling drugs, robbing,
  • 00:21:27.270 --> 00:21:29.220
  • all of what you had to do to
  • 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:32.190
  • maintain that habit, I doubt you
  • 00:21:32.190 --> 00:21:34.180
  • that you would be doing
  • 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:38.100
  • a conference called a Victory
  • 00:21:38.100 --> 00:21:39.230
  • Outreach Global Conference.
  • 00:21:40.210 --> 00:21:43.210
  • I doubt that could have--you
  • 00:21:43.210 --> 00:21:45.190
  • could have put those things
  • 00:21:45.190 --> 00:21:46.170
  • together, and so from the
  • 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:49.090
  • streets to a global conference,
  • 00:21:49.090 --> 00:21:51.070
  • take a look at what's happening
  • 00:21:51.070 --> 00:21:52.280
  • coming up later this summer with
  • 00:21:52.280 --> 00:21:54.120
  • Sonny and Julie Arguinzoni's
  • 00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:56.270
  • World Outreach.
  • 00:21:56.270 --> 00:21:57.130
  • Watch this, World Conference.
  • 00:21:57.130 --> 00:21:59.020
  • - announcer: In celebration of
  • 00:21:59.020 --> 00:21:59.240
  • we would like to invite you to
  • 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:03.010
  • join us at the Los Angeles
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  • Convention Center for our
  • 00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:05.270
  • Victory Outreach International
  • 00:22:05.270 --> 00:22:07.200
  • World Conference.
  • 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.060
  • From all over the world, people
  • 00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:10.150
  • will be gathering in one place
  • 00:22:10.150 --> 00:22:11.230
  • for this historical time, an
  • 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:13.180
  • event for the entire family.
  • 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:15.190
  • Seven full days of life-changing
  • 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:17.180
  • messages from world-renowned
  • 00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:19.100
  • speakers and preachers, as well
  • 00:22:19.100 --> 00:22:21.130
  • as dynamic worship from some of
  • 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:23.180
  • the best worship leaders today.
  • 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:25.130
  • We guarantee you,
  • 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:26.110
  • - Matt: That is coming later
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:30.050
  • this summer and the information
  • 00:22:30.050 --> 00:22:31.240
  • about it will be on the screen.
  • 00:22:31.270 --> 00:22:34.270
  • The O.G.s, Christian O.G.s,
  • 00:22:35.110 --> 00:22:38.110
  • Sonny and Julie.
  • 00:22:38.110 --> 00:22:39.170
  • - Sonny: I don't know if I like
  • 00:22:39.170 --> 00:22:40.090
  • that O.G. stuff.
  • 00:22:40.090 --> 00:22:41.100
  • - Matt: You're the original
  • 00:22:41.100 --> 00:22:42.000
  • gangster.
  • 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:42.180
  • There's no way you can get past
  • 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:43.240
  • that, I can't--just seriously.
  • 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:45.200
  • You are the most loving O.G.
  • 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.080
  • there has ever been on
  • 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:49.110
  • the planet.
  • 00:22:49.110 --> 00:22:50.190
  • You know, after celebration of
  • 00:22:50.190 --> 00:22:52.080
  • you've been married for over
  • 00:22:56.090 --> 00:22:57.190
  • 50 years, you're in ministry now
  • 00:22:57.190 --> 00:22:59.090
  • 50 years, you are the type of
  • 00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:02.240
  • people that hug drug addicts
  • 00:23:02.290 --> 00:23:05.290
  • when they're shivering and
  • 00:23:05.290 --> 00:23:07.100
  • needing--you're--
  • 00:23:07.100 --> 00:23:08.020
  • - Laurie: You're the example
  • 00:23:08.020 --> 00:23:09.070
  • for all of us.
  • 00:23:09.070 --> 00:23:10.050
  • - Matt: You've been there and
  • 00:23:10.050 --> 00:23:11.000
  • you've done it, okay?
  • 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:11.260
  • And just what are your final
  • 00:23:11.260 --> 00:23:13.180
  • thoughts to celebrating this
  • 00:23:13.180 --> 00:23:15.170
  • whole event?
  • 00:23:15.170 --> 00:23:17.140
  • - Sonny: Well, we look back and
  • 00:23:17.140 --> 00:23:20.130
  • I stay amazed what God has done.
  • 00:23:20.150 --> 00:23:23.150
  • We weren't really expecting
  • 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.200
  • that, that the Lord would
  • 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.270
  • do such a great work.
  • 00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:29.250
  • And maybe, Julie, you could
  • 00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:31.270
  • share a little bit about that.
  • 00:23:31.270 --> 00:23:32.280
  • - Julie: Yeah, well, I live
  • 00:23:32.280 --> 00:23:34.220
  • with a visionary,
  • 00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:35.210
  • and I've never been bored.
  • 00:23:35.210 --> 00:23:37.210
  • I've--he just always has
  • 00:23:37.210 --> 00:23:40.120
  • something new and always someone
  • 00:23:40.170 --> 00:23:43.170
  • that he has to reach or always
  • 00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:45.090
  • a country that he has to reach.
  • 00:23:45.090 --> 00:23:46.210
  • And it's been very, very
  • 00:23:46.210 --> 00:23:48.090
  • to him.
  • 00:23:50.120 --> 00:23:51.030
  • And--but yet I see the need that
  • 00:23:51.030 --> 00:23:53.030
  • there is and I just know that
  • 00:23:53.030 --> 00:23:54.220
  • it's just the beginning.
  • 00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:56.040
  • We feel like we haven't even
  • 00:23:56.040 --> 00:23:57.040
  • done anything.
  • 00:23:57.040 --> 00:23:57.260
  • We were just talking about that
  • 00:23:57.260 --> 00:23:58.180
  • this morning.
  • 00:23:58.180 --> 00:24:00.070
  • We said, "You know, we feel like
  • 00:24:00.070 --> 00:24:01.130
  • we haven't even--haven't really
  • 00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:03.150
  • And we know that there's such
  • 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.130
  • a need out there that we're just
  • 00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:09.090
  • barely scratching the surface.
  • 00:24:09.090 --> 00:24:11.040
  • There's a lot of hurting mothers
  • 00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:11.280
  • out there that don't know
  • 00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:13.190
  • what to do.
  • 00:24:13.190 --> 00:24:14.120
  • They just don't know where to go
  • 00:24:14.120 --> 00:24:15.040
  • or what to do.
  • 00:24:15.040 --> 00:24:16.000
  • And we're right there for them,
  • 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.010
  • you know?
  • 00:24:18.010 --> 00:24:18.250
  • We are here for you.
  • 00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:20.070
  • If you have a son or a daughter
  • 00:24:20.070 --> 00:24:21.280
  • that's hooked on drugs,
  • 00:24:21.280 --> 00:24:22.280
  • we're here for you.
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  • Our door is open for you.
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  • - Matt: You know, the--some
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  • people need a miracle right now.
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  • They're desperate.
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  • They need a miracle.
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  • If there is an addict,
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  • you were one.
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  • You're delivered.
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  • You've seen millions--hundreds
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  • of thousands of people affected,
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  • thousands of people delivered.
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  • And I just think you should look
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  • into this camera in case there's
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  • somebody watching right now
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  • that's just in that state.
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  • You can't get your arms around
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  • 'em right here.
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  • You would if they were in
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  • the studio.
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  • But put your arms around 'em
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  • and pray for somebody that needs
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  • a miracle right here, right now.
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  • - Sonny: I wanna tell you first
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  • of all that Jesus loves you,
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  • think that nobody cares about
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  • you, that nobody loves you.
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  • But Jesus does love you
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  • and he's the one that is able
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  • to set you free.
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  • And if he set me free, he could
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  • set you free by his power.
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  • And he's able to give you that
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  • love, love unspeakable,
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  • and full of glory.
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  • Your whole life changes.
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  • changes within your life.
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  • And I wanna say a prayer for you
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  • and all I want you to do is just
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  • open up your heart and let Jesus
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  • come into your life.
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  • He's the one that will make all
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  • the difference.
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  • He's the one that is able to
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  • break that yoke of addiction in
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  • your life.
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  • And I want you--Julie, give me
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  • your hand, and I wanna say a
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  • prayer right now for you.
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  • Lord Jesus, right now, you know
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  • that person that is listening
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  • to my voice right now.
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  • You know their needs, O God, and
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  • I want you to reach out, O Lord.
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  • I pray that you reach out to
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  • them right now, touch them the
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  • way you set me free, the way you
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  • set so many other people free,
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  • that you will reach out and
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  • touch that person and set that
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  • person free, that they may
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  • experience your love.
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  • Even now, your Holy Spirit will
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  • reach out and touch them and
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  • deliver them from whatever
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  • addiction they may be in, in
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  • amen, amen.
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  • If you need to be in a home,
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  • contact us.
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  • We have different homes
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  • that you could come into.
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  • God bless you.
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  • - Laurie: I love it.
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  • - Matt: Our guests all
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  • afternoon, Sonny and
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  • Julie Arguinzoni.
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  • - Laurie: We are a witness of
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  • the ministry and the
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  • faithfulness of these two
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  • people.
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  • In our own home for 20 years we
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  • have had a gentleman that came
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  • up under--he had been in prison
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  • most of his life.
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  • His name is Pete and he got
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  • hooked up with Sonny and Julie
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  • before we ever met him.
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  • He had been with you for a
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  • couple--I think he actually
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  • stayed in your home for
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  • a while maybe.
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  • - Sonny: Probably did.
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  • when we lived up in L.A.
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  • - Matt: He had never filed
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  • a tax return in his life.
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  • When we met him, he was
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  • about 40.
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  • He had been in jail for 26 years
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  • of that 40 years.
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  • And life totally changed.
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  • - Laurie: Yeah, without him in
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  • our lives, helping us with
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  • taking care of things--I've left
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  • my children, my sons, with him,
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  • you know, at times.
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  • We probably couldn't even do
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  • what we do without Pete in our
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  • life.
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  • So my gratitude.
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  • It works.
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  • He is a changed--
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  • - Sonny: God's a changing
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  • power.
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  • - Laurie: Life-changing power
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  • of God.
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  • - Matt: A treasure out of
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  • darkness in our own home.
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  • - Sonny: Amen, praise the Lord.
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  • You're taking in people now.
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  • - Laurie: That's it.
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  • - Matt: Yeah, I'll remind him
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  • of that.
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  • We thank you so much.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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