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Let's Talk with Brian Houston

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February 27, 2017
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  • - Brian Houston: Well, today,
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  • I get to speak to
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  • Pastor Benny Perez
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  • from the church LV in Las Vegas.
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  • - Benny Perez: Even though you
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  • denied him, even though you
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  • abandoned him, even though you
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  • didn't keep your promise,
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  • I am glad for a Jesus that says,
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  • "I am still coming after you."
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  • - Brian: He's going to talk
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  • to us about life and leadership.
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  • - Benny: it's easy when
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  • the church is growing,
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  • and it's vibrant, it's alive.
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  • And you know, people are
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  • recognizing what God is doing.
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  • And then all of a sudden,
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  • everything hits.
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  • And it was the toughest time
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  • of my life, both personally,
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  • emotionally, our marriage,
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  • everything.
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  • - Brian: Some of the difficult
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  • challenges and some of
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  • the personal pain that
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  • he's had to work through.
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  • - Benny: I'm driving home,
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  • and my wife's kind
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  • of not acting right.
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  • So, we get home, we go
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  • into the garage, and my wife--
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  • I get her out,
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  • and she collapses in my garage,
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  • and she starts bleeding out.
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  • - Brian: And also speak about
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  • some of those things
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  • that matter to him.
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  • - Benny: And every time
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  • they would ask in class,
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  • "What's your prayer request?"
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  • I would always say,
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  • "I want my family to be saved."
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  • - Brian: Wow.
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  • - Brian: Well, I have
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  • the opportunity today to be
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  • speaking to Pastor Benny Perez.
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  • And Benny is an intriguing
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  • person doing some great things.
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  • So, I'm sure you will
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  • enjoy this next talk.
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  • Hi Benny,
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  • great to have you here.
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  • - Benny: Thank you, Pastor
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  • Brian, it's good to be here.
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  • Thank you so much.
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  • - Brian: Good, good, good.
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  • So, Perez, where does
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  • that come from?
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  • - Benny: Hispanic.
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  • Mexican-American
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  • is my background.
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  • And so, born and raised
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  • in Southern California.
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  • So, it's good to be back here.
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  • It's a beautiful set that
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  • you have here, amazing.
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  • - Brian: That's great,
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  • nice to have you.
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  • So, you grew up in Orange County
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  • basically?
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  • - Benny: Yes.
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  • Yeah, so I went to high school
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  • at Whittier Christian High
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  • School in La Habra, California.
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  • And actually pursued my business
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  • degree at Cal State Fullerton.
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  • And I actually was a senior
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  • at Cal State Fullerton getting
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  • my degree in accounting, and
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  • then I had a God encounter on
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  • a beach in Southern California,
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  • and which redirected my steps.
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  • So, I actually finished my
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  • degree at Vanguard University
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  • in Costa Mesa, California.
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  • So, that's kind of my roots is
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  • here, and my education is here,
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  • yeah.
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  • - Brian: Right, and
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  • so that's a Christian school.
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  • - Benny: Yes.
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  • - Brian: If there's such
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  • a thing as a school
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  • that's a Christian.
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  • - Benny: Yes, yeah, yes.
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  • - Brian: So, were your parents
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  • believers?
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  • - Benny: No, actually
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  • I'm the first
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  • Christian in my family.
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  • And some people I think
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  • are surprised to hear that.
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  • What happened was,
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  • is growing up Hispanic,
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  • it's usually Catholic, right?
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  • So, everybody's Catholic.
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  • - Brian: Were you practicing
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  • Catholics?
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  • - Benny: Not really.
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  • You know, Easter comes around
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  • and Christmas comes around.
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  • But yeah, so you know, as
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  • a young guy, I'm talking about
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  • 6, 7, 8 years old, I just had
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  • this affinity I think for God.
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  • - Brian: That's interesting.
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  • - Benny: So, what happened was,
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  • is my family wanted to put me
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  • in a private school.
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  • So, they actually put me in
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  • a private Christian school.
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  • I got in there, and they had
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  • a Bible class, Pastor Brian.
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  • And so, Mrs. Wolven was
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  • my third grade teacher,
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  • I'll never forget her.
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  • And one day after Bible class,
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  • she said, "If anybody wants to
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  • know more about Jesus, just stay
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  • during recess, and I'd like
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  • to tell you more about Jesus."
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  • I was the only kid
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  • that stayed back.
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  • So, as a little guy,
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  • she explained to me
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  • the gospel on this gospel glove.
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  • And she said, "Do you want to
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  • trust Jesus with your life?"
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  • And as a third grader,
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  • I said, "Sure, absolutely."
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  • And I received Christ
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  • as a third grader.
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  • And from then, I started
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  • just sharing with my mom,
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  • and my dad, you know,
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  • all the stories I was learning.
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  • And every time they would ask
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  • in class, "What's your prayer
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  • request?"
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  • I would always say,
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  • "I want my family to be saved."
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  • So, I saw my mom get saved,
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  • my dad get saved.
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  • I have a brother, I have three
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  • sisters, they all got saved.
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  • My cousins got saved,
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  • aunts and uncles got saved.
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  • So, literally God used me
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  • to start the whole progression
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  • of my whole family.
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  • - Brian: Wow, that's awesome.
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  • Why Las Vegas?
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  • - Benny: You know--
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  • - Brian: The reason I'm asking
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  • why Las Vegas, of course,
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  • is that's where your church
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  • is based.
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  • - Benny: Yes.
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  • So, the Church LV there
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  • in Vegas.
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  • You know, I was actually in
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  • Seattle for a number of years.
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  • And of course, that's where
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  • I met my wife Wendy.
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  • And I started traveling
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  • full-time.
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  • And so, living in Seattle is not
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  • a good place to travel from.
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  • And so, we started to pray
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  • and saying, "Man, God,
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  • where should we go?"
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  • Well, I wanted to go more
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  • like to Virginia.
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  • I love that area, I just love
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  • the--kind of like the feel
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  • of that area.
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  • But my wife didn't want to go
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  • that far east.
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  • So, we always kind of loved
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  • Las Vegas 'cause we'd been there
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  • a couple times, and we felt
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  • like, "Man, why do we love Vegas
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  • so much?
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  • Is something wrong with us?"
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  • I mean, 'cause people say,
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  • "Vegas."
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  • So, we came to Vegas to visit,
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  • but then God had other plans.
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  • I think he got us there for
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  • traveling, but after being there
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  • for about 2 years, we felt
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  • in our heart that we should
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  • actually start a church.
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  • And that's when we started
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  • the Church LV.
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  • We started with 27 people in our
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  • house, just a little Bible
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  • study.
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  • And then it kind of started
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  • gaining momentum.
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  • And we felt like, "Wow, this
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  • might be a church here."
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  • And so, we just kept going.
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  • And then the Lord just kind of
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  • directed our steps, and we
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  • launched it in 2003.
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  • So, it was kind of a fun journey
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  • to begin it.
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  • - Brian: So, Las Vegas,
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  • obviously, a lot of people love
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  • Vegas, they love the glamour,
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  • the bright side, the lights.
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  • - Benny: Yes.
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  • - Brian: But you living in
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  • Vegas must, to a degree, see
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  • the other side, the fallout,
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  • the toll.
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  • - Benny: Yes, yeah.
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  • Vegas, one thing about Vegas is
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  • we know what we're facing.
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  • It's all out there.
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  • But Vegas, people go there, and
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  • if people aren't careful, Vegas
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  • will just suck the life out of
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  • you.
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  • People get so caught up into a
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  • lot of the vices.
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  • So we have, you know, obviously
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  • gambling addiction, and just the
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  • lights, and the glitz, and the
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  • glamour.
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  • A very fast-paced city, never
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  • sleeps, it's 24 hours a day.
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  • And, but the flipside of it is
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  • that people I think come to
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  • the end of themselves quicker.
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  • And they realize, "Whoa,
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  • this isn't fulfilling me.
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  • This isn't--this isn't doing it
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  • for me," and they realize that
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  • now there has to be a spiritual
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  • answer, an eternal answer,
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  • something that is greater than
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  • what they see, touch, feel.
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  • And so, it's like the dual-edged
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  • sword, you know?
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  • But Vegas is probably one of the
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  • most open cities to the gospel
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  • because people recognize, "Okay,
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  • I've had this, this, this, this,
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  • this.
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  • But that's not doing it for me."
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  • Yeah.
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  • - Brian: Well, we've all heard
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  • the saying "what happens
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  • in Vegas, stays in Vegas," but
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  • we're going to talk about Vegas
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  • is not staying in Vegas, we're
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  • going to talk and take it
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  • broader.
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  • But you've been in Vegas in its
  • 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:29.170
  • boom times, you've been in Vegas
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  • in its worst times.
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  • - Benny: Yes, sir.
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  • Yeah, it was--when I first moved
  • 00:07:33.030 --> 00:07:35.060
  • there, it was booming,
  • 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:36.230
  • like you said.
  • 00:07:36.230 --> 00:07:37.200
  • I mean, it was incredible.
  • 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:38.180
  • I bought my house, and within 2
  • 00:07:38.180 --> 00:07:40.060
  • years it had doubled in value.
  • 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:42.150
  • Everything was just going
  • 00:07:42.150 --> 00:07:43.140
  • through the roof.
  • 00:07:43.140 --> 00:07:44.090
  • And then, of course, the great
  • 00:07:44.090 --> 00:07:45.130
  • recession, as we know, it hit.
  • 00:07:45.130 --> 00:07:47.130
  • And when it hit, Pastor Brian,
  • 00:07:47.130 --> 00:07:49.160
  • it turned into a ghost town.
  • 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.140
  • My church building went from
  • 00:07:52.140 --> 00:07:54.180
  • 6.8 million to 2.6 million.
  • 00:07:55.050 --> 00:07:58.050
  • So, in literally a few short
  • 00:07:58.050 --> 00:08:00.280
  • months, we were--we went totally
  • 00:08:00.280 --> 00:08:03.270
  • upside down in everything.
  • 00:08:03.270 --> 00:08:06.080
  • It was just--it was something I
  • 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:09.000
  • couldn't be prepared for,
  • 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:10.050
  • something Bible college
  • 00:08:10.050 --> 00:08:12.090
  • couldn't prepare for.
  • 00:08:12.090 --> 00:08:13.140
  • And that's when I really leaned
  • 00:08:13.140 --> 00:08:14.160
  • into a lot of relationships that
  • 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:15.180
  • I had with men that are older,
  • 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.000
  • that weathered storms, 'cause I
  • 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.250
  • was in one that I didn't know
  • 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:21.260
  • what to do.
  • 00:08:21.260 --> 00:08:22.230
  • And it's easy when the church is
  • 00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:24.040
  • growing, and it's vibrant, it's
  • 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:25.190
  • alive, and you know, people are
  • 00:08:25.190 --> 00:08:28.070
  • recognizing what God is doing.
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  • And then all of a sudden
  • 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:30.290
  • everything hits, and it was the
  • 00:08:30.290 --> 00:08:32.240
  • toughest time of my life,
  • 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:33.290
  • both personally, emotionally,
  • 00:08:34.030 --> 00:08:37.030
  • our marriage.
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  • - Brian: And so, during that
  • 00:08:38.210 --> 00:08:41.060
  • time, how were you--like, what
  • 00:08:41.060 --> 00:08:43.100
  • was going on on the inside?
  • 00:08:43.100 --> 00:08:45.240
  • - Benny: To be honest,
  • 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.140
  • discouragement.
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  • You know, like,
  • 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.170
  • "What did I do wrong?
  • 00:08:52.170 --> 00:08:54.040
  • Why is this happening to us?"
  • 00:08:54.040 --> 00:08:55.270
  • And everything that I had built
  • 00:08:55.270 --> 00:08:57.000
  • my life on was starting
  • 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.050
  • to crumble.
  • 00:08:59.050 --> 00:09:00.120
  • I'm good with money, chapter 11.
  • 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.070
  • I'm a good communicator, and I'm
  • 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:04.270
  • a church builder, and it's not
  • 00:09:04.270 --> 00:09:06.150
  • really going that well.
  • 00:09:06.150 --> 00:09:08.110
  • And I found myself, Pastor
  • 00:09:08.110 --> 00:09:09.210
  • Brian, for a moment I was lost.
  • 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:11.250
  • And it took me back to, why did
  • 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:14.020
  • I get into this thing in the
  • 00:09:14.020 --> 00:09:15.290
  • first place?
  • 00:09:15.290 --> 00:09:16.270
  • - Brian: I think what would be
  • 00:09:16.270 --> 00:09:17.240
  • interesting to people is how
  • 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.080
  • you--how you did bring yourself
  • 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.050
  • through that emotionally,
  • 00:09:21.050 --> 00:09:22.130
  • internally, and not just
  • 00:09:22.130 --> 00:09:24.060
  • spiritually.
  • 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:25.010
  • But spiritually as well.
  • 00:09:25.010 --> 00:09:26.100
  • - Benny: Yeah.
  • 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:26.280
  • First of all, pastor, I just had
  • 00:09:26.280 --> 00:09:29.070
  • to get honest with myself.
  • 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:30.250
  • You know, I think that that was
  • 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:32.150
  • the hardest thing for me is to
  • 00:09:32.150 --> 00:09:33.240
  • be honest and say, "You know
  • 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.070
  • what?
  • 00:09:35.070 --> 00:09:35.280
  • No, Benny Perez, you need help.
  • 00:09:35.280 --> 00:09:38.210
  • And I'm not wired that way.
  • 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:42.070
  • I'm more like I'm the fighter,
  • 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:43.260
  • I can do it, let's just go.
  • 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:46.030
  • And so, I just had some pastor
  • 00:09:46.030 --> 00:09:49.010
  • friends that I started really
  • 00:09:49.010 --> 00:09:50.240
  • talking to and being honest
  • 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.010
  • with.
  • 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:52.230
  • You know, "Hey, how's it going?"
  • 00:09:52.230 --> 00:09:54.010
  • "Well, it's going great, man.
  • 00:09:54.010 --> 00:09:55.050
  • You know, we've had--" I started
  • 00:09:55.050 --> 00:09:56.130
  • saying, "You know what?
  • 00:09:56.130 --> 00:09:57.010
  • Church is going good, but man, I
  • 00:09:57.010 --> 00:09:59.050
  • need some help in these areas of
  • 00:09:59.050 --> 00:10:00.060
  • my life," and just talking,
  • 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:01.100
  • you know, talking to people,
  • 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:02.170
  • opening up.
  • 00:10:02.170 --> 00:10:03.240
  • And having people give me the
  • 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.210
  • right perspective 'cause I think
  • 00:10:06.210 --> 00:10:08.090
  • when you're in it, I'm in it,
  • 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:10.260
  • I need somebody that had outside
  • 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:12.270
  • eyes that could say, "No, let me
  • 00:10:12.270 --> 00:10:15.030
  • help you out, let me help you
  • 00:10:15.030 --> 00:10:16.120
  • with perspective."
  • 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.080
  • So, I did that.
  • 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:19.070
  • And then I'm not by nature
  • 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:21.090
  • a person that loves to relax.
  • 00:10:21.090 --> 00:10:23.060
  • I love to work, I just do.
  • 00:10:23.060 --> 00:10:25.280
  • I just love--I love the grind,
  • 00:10:25.280 --> 00:10:28.090
  • I love everything about it.
  • 00:10:28.090 --> 00:10:29.270
  • And so, what I did is I said,
  • 00:10:29.270 --> 00:10:31.250
  • "You know what?
  • 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:32.120
  • No."
  • 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:32.290
  • So, we made some quantum shifts
  • 00:10:33.270 --> 00:10:36.270
  • to vacation, to rest, to relax.
  • 00:10:39.140 --> 00:10:42.140
  • - Brian: Have you got good at
  • 00:10:42.140 --> 00:10:44.000
  • that now?
  • 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.060
  • - Benny: I actually have become
  • 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:46.030
  • better at it, yes, I have.
  • 00:10:46.030 --> 00:10:48.050
  • In fact, so much so, I used to
  • 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.080
  • be preaching probably 46 to 48
  • 00:10:53.060 --> 00:10:56.060
  • times a year at my church.
  • 00:10:56.060 --> 00:10:57.260
  • Now, I'm down to 34 times
  • 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:01.000
  • a year.
  • 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:02.120
  • I have a great preaching team,
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.050
  • and sometimes I'll even be there
  • 00:11:04.050 --> 00:11:06.150
  • and they'll be preaching, you
  • 00:11:06.150 --> 00:11:07.280
  • know?
  • 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:08.280
  • Everything is better because I'm
  • 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:10.160
  • taking time to rest a little bit
  • 00:11:10.210 --> 00:11:13.210
  • more than I ever have.
  • 00:11:13.210 --> 00:11:14.240
  • - Brian: That's good.
  • 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.150
  • - Benny: And I started
  • 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.090
  • preaching about the death,
  • 00:11:20.090 --> 00:11:22.090
  • the crucifixion of Christ.
  • 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:24.150
  • And I'm crying.
  • 00:11:24.150 --> 00:11:26.070
  • so anointed." They didn't know
  • 00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:30.210
  • [music]
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  • - Brian: You had that one year
  • 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.240
  • in particular where I think not
  • 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:43.000
  • only did you lose your
  • 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:43.260
  • father-in-law, who was Pastor
  • 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:45.270
  • Wendell Smith, and of course
  • 00:11:45.270 --> 00:11:48.010
  • your wife's dad, Chelsea's dad,
  • 00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:50.090
  • and Judah Smith's dad.
  • 00:11:50.090 --> 00:11:52.050
  • - Benny: Sure.
  • 00:11:52.050 --> 00:11:53.090
  • - Brian: And I think around the
  • 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:54.010
  • same time, you had your own real
  • 00:11:54.010 --> 00:11:55.280
  • hurtful thing happen in your own
  • 00:11:55.280 --> 00:11:58.140
  • family.
  • 00:11:58.140 --> 00:11:59.240
  • - Benny: Yeah.
  • 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.230
  • - Brian: Yeah.
  • 00:12:00.230 --> 00:12:01.240
  • So, was that all at the same
  • 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:02.150
  • time?
  • 00:12:02.150 --> 00:12:03.240
  • - Benny: Yeah, it kind of--it
  • 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:04.170
  • kind of came--it converged like
  • 00:12:04.170 --> 00:12:06.080
  • a hurricane.
  • 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:07.270
  • I mean, everything just came.
  • 00:12:07.270 --> 00:12:08.250
  • So, within a short period of
  • 00:12:08.250 --> 00:12:10.110
  • time, we had the bank situation.
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:13.210
  • And so, that happened.
  • 00:12:13.210 --> 00:12:15.200
  • My father-in-law, who was
  • 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.050
  • battling cancer, moved to
  • 00:12:18.050 --> 00:12:20.190
  • Las Vegas and lived with us for
  • 00:12:20.190 --> 00:12:22.250
  • the last 5 months of his life.
  • 00:12:22.250 --> 00:12:24.100
  • So, all that, and then at
  • 00:12:24.100 --> 00:12:25.290
  • the same time, we have three
  • 00:12:25.290 --> 00:12:28.050
  • children, and we've had two
  • 00:12:28.050 --> 00:12:30.020
  • miscarriages.
  • 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:30.270
  • But the last miscarriage with my
  • 00:12:30.270 --> 00:12:32.040
  • wife, she was 4 months pregnant,
  • 00:12:32.040 --> 00:12:33.240
  • and we went to the ultrasound
  • 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.090
  • to see if the baby's okay.
  • 00:12:36.090 --> 00:12:37.240
  • Usually I don't go 'cause it's
  • 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.110
  • a routine check-up, but I went.
  • 00:12:39.110 --> 00:12:40.170
  • And literally, Pastor Brian, we
  • 00:12:40.170 --> 00:12:42.020
  • saw the baby's heartbeat, it was
  • 00:12:42.020 --> 00:12:44.150
  • like 170 beats a minute.
  • 00:12:44.150 --> 00:12:47.040
  • And okay, we're feeling good,
  • 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:48.260
  • everything's great, but
  • 00:12:48.260 --> 00:12:50.170
  • the baby wasn't moving.
  • 00:12:50.170 --> 00:12:51.220
  • And so, they, "Okay, Wendy,
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.130
  • get up, walk around.
  • 00:12:53.130 --> 00:12:54.150
  • You know, drink something," and
  • 00:12:54.150 --> 00:12:55.200
  • the baby still wasn't moving.
  • 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.070
  • And so, the technician says,
  • 00:12:57.070 --> 00:12:59.240
  • "Ah, something's not right."
  • 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.050
  • So, she went out,
  • 00:13:01.050 --> 00:13:03.070
  • and the heartbeat
  • 00:13:03.070 --> 00:13:04.040
  • went from 170, to 150, to 130.
  • 00:13:04.060 --> 00:13:07.060
  • The doctor comes in, says, "Oh,
  • 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:08.110
  • there's something a little wrong
  • 00:13:08.110 --> 00:13:09.070
  • here.
  • 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:10.050
  • There might be some challenges,"
  • 00:13:10.050 --> 00:13:11.090
  • or something like that.
  • 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:12.050
  • I don't remember necessarily the
  • 00:13:12.050 --> 00:13:13.000
  • wording.
  • 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:13.270
  • And so, you know, "Oh, there's
  • 00:13:13.270 --> 00:13:15.220
  • a heartbeat, and the heartbeat
  • 00:13:15.220 --> 00:13:16.170
  • now is at 100."
  • 00:13:16.170 --> 00:13:17.290
  • And the heartbeat
  • 00:13:17.290 --> 00:13:19.150
  • goes to 90, 80, 70.
  • 00:13:20.270 --> 00:13:23.270
  • We're there watching it on
  • 00:13:23.270 --> 00:13:24.210
  • the screen, my wife is there.
  • 00:13:24.210 --> 00:13:26.140
  • Jenny, my mother-in-law,
  • 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:28.090
  • is there.
  • 00:13:28.090 --> 00:13:29.230
  • And I'm staring at the screen,
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:31.100
  • and I'm thinking, "Wait, wait,
  • 00:13:32.050 --> 00:13:35.050
  • something is really--" And
  • 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:35.270
  • literally, the baby's heartbeat
  • 00:13:35.270 --> 00:13:37.250
  • went from 70, to 50, to 30,
  • 00:13:37.250 --> 00:13:40.060
  • flatlined.
  • 00:13:40.060 --> 00:13:41.150
  • And I was kind of like--there's
  • 00:13:42.180 --> 00:13:45.180
  • no resuscitation,
  • 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:48.230
  • you can't do anything.
  • 00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:50.070
  • It's in the womb, the baby.
  • 00:13:50.070 --> 00:13:51.180
  • And the doctor looked at me and
  • 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:53.020
  • said, "I'm sorry, Mr. Perez,
  • 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:54.240
  • your baby has expired."
  • 00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:58.220
  • And we're in shock, right?
  • 00:13:58.260 --> 00:14:01.280
  • And the doctor says, "In 30
  • 00:14:01.280 --> 00:14:03.150
  • years, I've never seen anything
  • 00:14:03.150 --> 00:14:05.060
  • like this happen."
  • 00:14:05.060 --> 00:14:06.080
  • - Brian: So, how far into the
  • 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:07.030
  • pregnancy was this?
  • 00:14:07.030 --> 00:14:07.240
  • - Benny: Four months.
  • 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:08.130
  • - Brian: Four months, right.
  • 00:14:08.130 --> 00:14:09.060
  • - Benny: Yeah.
  • 00:14:09.060 --> 00:14:09.270
  • And we had previously lost
  • 00:14:09.270 --> 00:14:10.170
  • another child through
  • 00:14:10.170 --> 00:14:12.080
  • miscarriage.
  • 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:13.240
  • And so, this was Wednesday
  • 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.070
  • before Easter, which is big,
  • 00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:20.160
  • you know.
  • 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:21.160
  • It's big church time, right?
  • 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:23.140
  • And I--Wendy get dressed, she's
  • 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:24.260
  • crying, my mother-in-law's in
  • 00:14:24.260 --> 00:14:26.050
  • shock, I'm in shock.
  • 00:14:26.050 --> 00:14:27.200
  • And so, we just drove home,
  • 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:29.210
  • and just quiet,
  • 00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:31.290
  • just didn't say anything.
  • 00:14:31.290 --> 00:14:33.140
  • Wendy goes upstairs and with
  • 00:14:33.140 --> 00:14:35.200
  • my mother-in-law, and I just--I
  • 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.170
  • just went upstairs too, and I
  • 00:14:38.170 --> 00:14:40.230
  • just looked outside, and I was
  • 00:14:40.230 --> 00:14:42.010
  • like, "Did that just happen?"
  • 00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:44.120
  • So, you know, I said, "No."
  • 00:14:44.150 --> 00:14:47.150
  • So I prayed, and went back
  • 00:14:47.150 --> 00:14:49.140
  • the next day, I was believing
  • 00:14:49.140 --> 00:14:50.170
  • for a miracle.
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:51.140
  • I mean, I believe in miracles.
  • 00:14:51.140 --> 00:14:53.130
  • And so, they got us in early,
  • 00:14:53.130 --> 00:14:55.140
  • they checked again, and there's
  • 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:57.010
  • no heartbeat, no blood flow.
  • 00:14:57.010 --> 00:14:58.120
  • The baby is dead.
  • 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.170
  • They said, "We've got to take
  • 00:15:00.170 --> 00:15:01.270
  • the baby out."
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:03.170
  • And I'm like, "Okay."
  • 00:15:03.170 --> 00:15:05.000
  • So, next day, Friday,
  • 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.220
  • it's Good Friday, and they take
  • 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:09.240
  • her in for an operation to
  • 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.250
  • remove the baby.
  • 00:15:10.250 --> 00:15:13.040
  • And so, I'm waiting outside,
  • 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:14.290
  • they finally--she finally comes
  • 00:15:14.290 --> 00:15:16.260
  • out, and they release her.
  • 00:15:17.190 --> 00:15:20.190
  • I'm driving home, and my wife's
  • 00:15:20.190 --> 00:15:22.120
  • kind of not acting right.
  • 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.050
  • So, we get home, we go into
  • 00:15:24.050 --> 00:15:26.180
  • the garage, and my wife--I get
  • 00:15:26.180 --> 00:15:28.190
  • her out, and she collapses
  • 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:30.000
  • in my garage, okay?
  • 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.150
  • And she starts bleeding out.
  • 00:15:31.150 --> 00:15:33.260
  • Don't ask me why, I have my
  • 00:15:34.010 --> 00:15:37.010
  • cellphone, but I run to my
  • 00:15:37.010 --> 00:15:38.070
  • landline, I call 911 and say,
  • 00:15:38.070 --> 00:15:39.280
  • "Hey, my wife--" I mean,
  • 00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:42.050
  • "What's going on?"
  • 00:15:42.050 --> 00:15:43.260
  • Okay.
  • 00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:44.190
  • And so, they said, "You've got
  • 00:15:44.190 --> 00:15:47.080
  • to keep her awake,
  • 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.060
  • keep talking to her."
  • 00:15:49.060 --> 00:15:50.230
  • So, I'm talking,
  • 00:15:50.230 --> 00:15:52.040
  • "Wendy, stay with me, stay with
  • 00:15:52.040 --> 00:15:53.090
  • me," she's bleeding
  • 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:53.250
  • out right there.
  • 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:55.090
  • Thank God my kids were gone and
  • 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:57.210
  • my in-laws were gone.
  • 00:15:57.210 --> 00:15:59.130
  • So anyway, paramedics came, she
  • 00:15:59.130 --> 00:16:01.060
  • had lost so much blood, they
  • 00:16:01.060 --> 00:16:03.110
  • can't get even a needle in her.
  • 00:16:03.110 --> 00:16:04.250
  • They can't--there's hardly any
  • 00:16:04.250 --> 00:16:06.020
  • blood pressure.
  • 00:16:06.020 --> 00:16:07.100
  • They said, "If we don't take her
  • 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:08.000
  • right now, your wife's going to
  • 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.020
  • die."
  • 00:16:09.020 --> 00:16:09.250
  • "Take her."
  • 00:16:09.250 --> 00:16:10.260
  • So, they took her,
  • 00:16:10.260 --> 00:16:11.120
  • rushed her to the hospital.
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.090
  • They did an emergency procedure
  • 00:16:12.090 --> 00:16:14.200
  • on her that saved my wife's
  • 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.030
  • life.
  • 00:16:16.030 --> 00:16:16.270
  • So, all I could think about was,
  • 00:16:16.270 --> 00:16:18.250
  • "Oh man, Lord, you know, I just
  • 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:23.040
  • lost a baby.
  • 00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:23.270
  • I can't lose my wife.
  • 00:16:23.270 --> 00:16:25.220
  • It's just--it'll be too much
  • 00:16:25.220 --> 00:16:26.230
  • for me."
  • 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:27.150
  • They stabilized my wife,
  • 00:16:27.150 --> 00:16:28.210
  • it's Good Friday, and I say,
  • 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:31.100
  • "I'm not going to preach."
  • 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:33.060
  • I have ten services I have to
  • 00:16:33.060 --> 00:16:34.130
  • preach, and I say, "No, I'm not
  • 00:16:34.130 --> 00:16:36.250
  • going to preach, Wendy."
  • 00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:38.140
  • And my wife says to me,
  • 00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:40.020
  • she says, "Go preach
  • 00:16:40.020 --> 00:16:41.070
  • the hell out of people.
  • 00:16:41.070 --> 00:16:43.120
  • Don't let the devil get victory
  • 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.090
  • in this."
  • 00:16:44.090 --> 00:16:45.270
  • Nobody knew except two executive
  • 00:16:45.270 --> 00:16:48.000
  • pastors knew what had happened.
  • 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.200
  • We didn't want to tell the
  • 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.080
  • church.
  • 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.020
  • I drove home crying.
  • 00:16:51.020 --> 00:16:52.030
  • I said, "God, I don't want
  • 00:16:52.030 --> 00:16:53.210
  • to preach, it's too hard..."
  • 00:16:59.060 --> 00:17:02.080
  • I'm sorry.
  • 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.100
  • - Brian: No, it's good.
  • 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:07.050
  • - Benny: And took a shower,
  • 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.160
  • drove down to church,
  • 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.120
  • packed out Good Friday.
  • 00:17:14.010 --> 00:17:17.010
  • And I started preaching about
  • 00:17:17.010 --> 00:17:18.220
  • the death,
  • 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:19.230
  • the crucifixion of Christ.
  • 00:17:19.230 --> 00:17:21.260
  • And I'm crying.
  • 00:17:21.260 --> 00:17:23.080
  • People go, "Man, pastor's
  • 00:17:23.080 --> 00:17:24.240
  • so anointed."
  • 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.270
  • They didn't know
  • 00:17:26.270 --> 00:17:27.240
  • I just lost my son.
  • 00:17:28.170 --> 00:17:31.170
  • And for that moment, Pastor
  • 00:17:31.170 --> 00:17:32.220
  • Brian, I lost my son, but it hit
  • 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.000
  • me that God the Father
  • 00:17:37.070 --> 00:17:40.070
  • gave his Son.
  • 00:17:40.070 --> 00:17:42.240
  • And it hit me like it never hit
  • 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.010
  • me before.
  • 00:17:45.010 --> 00:17:45.180
  • I was always preaching.
  • 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:46.220
  • He gave his Son.
  • 00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:48.190
  • I lost a son, and the whole
  • 00:17:48.260 --> 00:17:51.260
  • revelation of this incredible
  • 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:53.170
  • gift of God, I could never
  • 00:17:53.170 --> 00:17:56.030
  • give up my kid.
  • 00:17:56.030 --> 00:17:57.160
  • I could never do something like
  • 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:58.160
  • that.
  • 00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:59.160
  • Had an awesome time, great
  • 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.290
  • response, did not tell anybody.
  • 00:18:01.290 --> 00:18:03.200
  • And I preached nine other times
  • 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.240
  • on Saturday and Sunday, saw over
  • 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.190
  • 1.000 people give their lives to
  • 00:18:07.190 --> 00:18:09.000
  • Christ that weekend at our
  • 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.070
  • church.
  • 00:18:10.070 --> 00:18:11.000
  • And then we let the church know
  • 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.220
  • obviously the next few days
  • 00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:13.260
  • after that.
  • 00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:14.240
  • It was just a tough time.
  • 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.170
  • And even as I talk about it,
  • 00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:18.190
  • the way I'm wired, I relive
  • 00:18:18.190 --> 00:18:20.000
  • the scene and I feel that again.
  • 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.120
  • And so, yeah, that happened
  • 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:24.090
  • during that time.
  • 00:18:24.090 --> 00:18:25.090
  • And then shortly after that,
  • 00:18:25.090 --> 00:18:26.230
  • later on a few months later,
  • 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:28.170
  • my father-in-law goes on
  • 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:30.170
  • to be with Jesus.
  • 00:18:30.170 --> 00:18:32.050
  • And that was difficult.
  • 00:18:32.050 --> 00:18:33.160
  • And then 6 weeks after my
  • 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.070
  • father-in-law goes on to be with
  • 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.200
  • Jesus, I get a phone call from
  • 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:40.250
  • my parents here in Southern
  • 00:18:40.250 --> 00:18:42.040
  • California, my mom saying,
  • 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:43.050
  • "Your dad's in the hospital."
  • 00:18:43.050 --> 00:18:44.260
  • And I rushed down here, and they
  • 00:18:44.260 --> 00:18:47.250
  • took him in for emergency
  • 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:49.040
  • surgery.
  • 00:18:49.040 --> 00:18:50.190
  • They needed--he needed
  • 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:52.040
  • a quadruple bypass.
  • 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:53.240
  • They get him in there, Pastor
  • 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.000
  • Brian, they come out halfway
  • 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.130
  • through the surgery, said, "It's
  • 00:18:56.130 --> 00:18:57.090
  • worse than we though, we have
  • 00:18:57.090 --> 00:18:58.140
  • to do a 9-way bypass surgery
  • 00:18:58.140 --> 00:19:00.280
  • on your father."
  • 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:01.280
  • - Brian: I've never even heard
  • 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:02.170
  • of a 9-way.
  • 00:19:02.170 --> 00:19:03.070
  • - Benny: Neither did we, it's
  • 00:19:03.070 --> 00:19:04.010
  • like that's crazy.
  • 00:19:04.010 --> 00:19:04.280
  • So, here I am, my wife, my
  • 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:09.180
  • unborn child, my father-in-law,
  • 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:11.260
  • our church all in such
  • 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:14.070
  • a short time.
  • 00:19:14.070 --> 00:19:15.020
  • And I just said, "Lord, I--Lord,
  • 00:19:15.020 --> 00:19:17.090
  • I mean, I can't--I don't want
  • 00:19:17.270 --> 00:19:20.270
  • to--I can't lose both of my dads
  • 00:19:21.020 --> 00:19:24.020
  • at such a short time."
  • 00:19:24.020 --> 00:19:26.090
  • So, we prayed, obviously
  • 00:19:26.090 --> 00:19:27.180
  • believed and trusted God.
  • 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:29.060
  • My dad pulled through, praise
  • 00:19:29.060 --> 00:19:30.110
  • the Lord, and he's doing good
  • 00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:33.130
  • today, and he's doing great.
  • 00:19:33.130 --> 00:19:36.020
  • But it was such a short, intense
  • 00:19:36.020 --> 00:19:37.240
  • time that I just--I wouldn't
  • 00:19:38.120 --> 00:19:41.120
  • want to relive it, but looking
  • 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.240
  • back, I learned a lot of things
  • 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.130
  • that I couldn't learn.
  • 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:48.160
  • I think I have greater
  • 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:49.140
  • compassion.
  • 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:50.130
  • I want to see greater miracles
  • 00:19:50.130 --> 00:19:51.230
  • take place.
  • 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:52.250
  • I want to see people get touched
  • 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:54.110
  • greater because of what I went
  • 00:19:54.110 --> 00:19:55.270
  • through.
  • 00:19:55.270 --> 00:19:57.000
  • And so, it was a trying time,
  • 00:19:57.010 --> 00:20:00.010
  • but it was a good time because
  • 00:20:00.010 --> 00:20:02.020
  • I found that God's grace really,
  • 00:20:02.020 --> 00:20:04.010
  • really is sufficient, it really
  • 00:20:04.010 --> 00:20:06.160
  • is.
  • 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.160
  • I could have preached it, but
  • 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:08.250
  • during that time, I lived it,
  • 00:20:08.250 --> 00:20:10.170
  • and God was really
  • 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:11.180
  • - Brian: Coming up
  • 00:20:14.030 --> 00:20:15.180
  • after the break.
  • 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:16.270
  • - Benny: It's not my church,
  • 00:20:16.270 --> 00:20:18.230
  • it's God's church.
  • 00:20:18.230 --> 00:20:19.250
  • I happen to be
  • 00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:20.160
  • the one who's pastoring it,
  • 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:21.230
  • he's the one that started it.
  • 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.020
  • But at times I can't help,
  • 00:20:23.020 --> 00:20:25.200
  • Pastor Brian,
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.130
  • [music]
  • 00:20:28.120 --> 00:20:30.120
  • - Brian: So, chapter 11,
  • 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:35.080
  • that is a big thing for a church
  • 00:20:35.080 --> 00:20:36.160
  • to file chapter 11.
  • 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.110
  • So, at that time, did you face
  • 00:20:38.110 --> 00:20:40.050
  • criticism?
  • 00:20:40.050 --> 00:20:41.280
  • - Benny: The criticism did
  • 00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:43.090
  • come, and from everybody, you
  • 00:20:43.090 --> 00:20:45.140
  • know.
  • 00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:46.200
  • - Brian: Internally in the
  • 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:47.130
  • church as well as out, or more
  • 00:20:47.130 --> 00:20:48.210
  • from the outside?
  • 00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:49.220
  • - Benny: Very little within our
  • 00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:51.080
  • church because everybody knew
  • 00:20:51.080 --> 00:20:53.000
  • exactly the details, yes,
  • 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:54.170
  • on the journey.
  • 00:20:54.170 --> 00:20:55.260
  • And you know, what I've learned
  • 00:20:55.260 --> 00:20:58.000
  • is that, you know, unless you
  • 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.070
  • have all the facts, it's hard
  • 00:21:00.070 --> 00:21:01.290
  • for people to make a judgment.
  • 00:21:01.290 --> 00:21:04.150
  • The hardest thing for me as
  • 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:05.160
  • a leader and we as a church is
  • 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.250
  • we're making decisions based on
  • 00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:08.270
  • all the knowledge that we have,
  • 00:21:08.270 --> 00:21:11.040
  • and people are now criticizing
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:12.280
  • on limited knowledge
  • 00:21:12.280 --> 00:21:14.040
  • that they have.
  • 00:21:14.040 --> 00:21:14.260
  • - Brian: So, you're good
  • 00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:16.050
  • at handling criticism?
  • 00:21:16.050 --> 00:21:17.130
  • - Benny: No, I am not.
  • 00:21:17.130 --> 00:21:19.170
  • - Brian: Are you getting better
  • 00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:20.220
  • at it?
  • 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:21.150
  • - Benny: I think I am getting
  • 00:21:21.150 --> 00:21:22.070
  • better at it.
  • 00:21:23.050 --> 00:21:26.050
  • You know, it's difficult 'cause
  • 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:33.080
  • I personally take it personally.
  • 00:21:34.050 --> 00:21:37.050
  • It's not my church,
  • 00:21:37.050 --> 00:21:39.030
  • it's God's church.
  • 00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:40.080
  • The Church LV is not mine,
  • 00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:41.180
  • it's his.
  • 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:43.110
  • I happen to be the one who's
  • 00:21:43.110 --> 00:21:44.000
  • pastoring it, he's the one that
  • 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.190
  • started it.
  • 00:21:45.190 --> 00:21:46.170
  • But at times I can't help,
  • 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:47.200
  • Pastor Brian, it does become
  • 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.130
  • personal.
  • 00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:51.200
  • And I think it's personal when
  • 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:52.220
  • they start attacking my family,
  • 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:54.140
  • and they start saying things
  • 00:21:54.140 --> 00:21:55.160
  • about my family, my kids.
  • 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.130
  • - Brian: Yeah.
  • 00:21:57.130 --> 00:21:58.100
  • Well, I think we've all heard,
  • 00:21:58.100 --> 00:21:59.110
  • you know, the sayings that,
  • 00:21:59.110 --> 00:22:01.060
  • you know, the taller the tree,
  • 00:22:01.060 --> 00:22:03.130
  • the greater the wind blows.
  • 00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:05.010
  • And the reality is
  • 00:22:05.010 --> 00:22:07.020
  • it's part of the journey.
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:08.030
  • I mean, we love accolade, but
  • 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:10.090
  • sometimes criticism is not
  • 00:22:10.090 --> 00:22:12.130
  • something we love, I think
  • 00:22:12.130 --> 00:22:14.000
  • the unfairness sometimes
  • 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.130
  • in criticism.
  • 00:22:16.130 --> 00:22:17.030
  • Have you ever found yourself
  • 00:22:17.030 --> 00:22:18.090
  • reacting on social media?
  • 00:22:18.090 --> 00:22:20.000
  • - Benny: Yes.
  • 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.170
  • Yes, and you know, my wife is
  • 00:22:21.170 --> 00:22:23.120
  • the one that says,
  • 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:24.150
  • "Don't do it."
  • 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:25.090
  • - Brian: Feels good for
  • 00:22:25.090 --> 00:22:26.060
  • a moment.
  • 00:22:26.060 --> 00:22:26.270
  • - Benny: It does, but the
  • 00:22:26.270 --> 00:22:27.200
  • repercussions.
  • 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.290
  • Because you know, once it's out
  • 00:22:28.290 --> 00:22:30.230
  • there, even if you take it down,
  • 00:22:30.230 --> 00:22:32.170
  • it's still there.
  • 00:22:32.170 --> 00:22:34.100
  • And I have--and I'm not proud of
  • 00:22:34.100 --> 00:22:36.180
  • it--I refuse now, though, to do
  • 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:39.150
  • that.
  • 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:40.260
  • Because again, it's not worth
  • 00:22:40.260 --> 00:22:42.120
  • it, it's not worth it to go down
  • 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:44.210
  • to that level with people.
  • 00:22:44.210 --> 00:22:46.240
  • - Brian: Any time you
  • 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:47.170
  • talk about accolade and
  • 00:22:47.170 --> 00:22:48.170
  • criticism, and I think to be
  • 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:49.150
  • good at both, you really can't
  • 00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:52.230
  • let either of them define you.
  • 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:54.150
  • - Benny: Wow, wow.
  • 00:22:54.150 --> 00:22:56.130
  • - Brian: So, in the middle of
  • 00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:58.060
  • your dramatic years, you've had
  • 00:22:58.060 --> 00:23:00.150
  • good years as well, but your
  • 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:01.210
  • dramatic, your tough years,
  • 00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:03.040
  • you wrote a book called "More."
  • 00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:05.000
  • And I happen to
  • 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:06.050
  • have the book here.
  • 00:23:06.050 --> 00:23:07.010
  • It's a nice, bright, blue
  • 00:23:07.010 --> 00:23:08.090
  • cover that you've got there.
  • 00:23:08.090 --> 00:23:09.130
  • - Benny: Right.
  • 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:10.020
  • - Brian: So, you've got
  • 00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:11.050
  • "Discovering the God of More
  • 00:23:11.050 --> 00:23:12.190
  • when Life Gives You Less."
  • 00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:14.110
  • - Benny: Yes, yes.
  • 00:23:14.110 --> 00:23:15.290
  • - Brian: It's a funny title in
  • 00:23:15.290 --> 00:23:16.260
  • the middle of devastation and
  • 00:23:16.260 --> 00:23:18.270
  • loss to be able to write a book
  • 00:23:18.270 --> 00:23:20.030
  • called "More."
  • 00:23:20.030 --> 00:23:21.010
  • - Benny: Right, because what we
  • 00:23:21.010 --> 00:23:22.080
  • found out is that, you know,
  • 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:24.180
  • where sin abounds, grace much
  • 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:26.290
  • more does abound.
  • 00:23:26.290 --> 00:23:29.180
  • What seemed like in our life was
  • 00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:31.060
  • becoming less, and less,
  • 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:32.250
  • and less, God was saying,
  • 00:23:32.250 --> 00:23:35.110
  • "More, more, more, more, more."
  • 00:23:35.110 --> 00:23:36.110
  • And so,
  • 00:23:36.110 --> 00:23:37.160
  • it's kind of this dichotomy of,
  • 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.270
  • "Man, we seem like we're losing.
  • 00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:41.040
  • You know, we're losing, we're
  • 00:23:41.040 --> 00:23:42.130
  • losing.
  • 00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:43.080
  • But on the other flip side,
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  • we're gaining, we're gaining,
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  • we're gaining," and so, it was
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  • something that God birthed in
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  • our heart, you know, based on
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  • really the journey of Paul.
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  • And a lot of people I believe
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  • have gotten a lot of hope in the
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  • book because it just shows them
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  • really the grace of God in
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  • everything.
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  • And it doesn't have pat answers.
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  • It doesn't, you know, give
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  • you--'cause I didn't need
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  • answers, I needed Jesus.
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  • I needed hope in him, and that's
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  • what that book is about.
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  • - Brian: That's great.
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  • So, what are you believing
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  • for in the days to come?
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  • - Benny: Well, I'm believing
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  • for our church.
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  • We are believing for a new
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  • building to reach more people.
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  • That's imperative right now for
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  • us, believing for that.
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  • And also believing that we, you
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  • know, can help other pastors and
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  • leaders, and encourage them on
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  • their journey.
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  • - Brian: All right, so
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  • Benny Perez comes to the end of
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  • his life here on earth.
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  • We'll believe that's a long time
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  • away.
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  • And someone is going to put
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  • something on a tombstone.
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  • What would you like that to say?
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  • - Benny: He prayed.
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  • He prayed.
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  • - Brian: That's it?
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  • - Benny: That's it, he prayed.
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  • - Brian: Wow, that's amazing.
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  • - Benny: The reason why I say
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  • that is because I think praying,
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  • keeping close to Jesus, is it.
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  • So, he prayed.
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  • Maybe another one, "He prayed
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  • and trusted in Christ."
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  • I think that's it.
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  • And if I could motivate people
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  • to pray and to trust Jesus, I
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  • would love that to be on my
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  • tombstone.
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  • Yeah.
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  • - Brian: Well, the truth is the
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  • person doesn't exist who's never
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  • been through a storm.
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  • And that's why I think your
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  • story will bless and help a lot
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  • of people who are viewing this
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  • program.
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  • And appreciate your
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  • transparency.
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  • You're loved, and I believe with
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  • you for great, great things
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  • ahead.
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  • So, Benny Perez, appreciate it
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  • so much.
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  • - Benny: Thank you, thank you
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  • so much.
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  • [music]
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