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Praise | Roger Nielsen & CJ Orndorff | August 9, 2019

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Matt Crouch & Laurie Crouch host TBN 2nd Chance with Roger Nielsen & CJ Orndorff

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Praise | Roger Nielsen & CJ Orndorff | August 9, 2019

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  • - TONIGHT, WE TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORY
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  • OF PENITENTIARIES IN AMERICA, WHAT EFFECT THE
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  • CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS ON OUR POPULATION,
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  • AND WHAT TBN IS DOING TO HELP THOSE IN PRISON.
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  • - I WIND UP GETTING IN A GANG.
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  • I WIND OF STEALING AND ROBBING PEOPLE.
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  • FAST MONEY, THE WOMEN, THE DRUGS.
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  • BASICALLY I WAS HAVING FUN, AND AT THE TIME I
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  • WAS HAVING FUN I WAS DESTROYING MYSELF.
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  • - CRIMINALS HAVE BECOME A DOMINANT PART OF OUR
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  • CULTURE IN MODERN AMERICA.
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  • - I HAD A SON THAT WAS BORN WHILE I WAS IN HERE.
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  • HE'S GROWING UP WITHOUT ME.
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  • AND I'M NEVER GOING TO GET THAT TIME BACK, SO I
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  • KNEW RIGHT THEN ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.
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  • I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
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  • 2.3 MILLION CHILDREN IN AMERICA HAVE A PARENT
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  • IN PRISON.
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  • - MATT CROUCH: STATISTICALLY, A LOT OF
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  • CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THOSE IN PRISON ARE THERE
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  • BECAUSE THEY DESERVED IT.
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  • THAT'S KIND OF THE END OF IT.
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  • - WE CHERISH OUR RIGHTS TODAY, BUT WE JUST DON'T
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  • KNOW WHERE MOST OF THEM CAME FROM.
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  • THEY COME FROM THE BIBLE.
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  • - I DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THIS AN INCARCERATION.
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  • I THINK IT'S FOR MY DELIVERANCE THAT I'M HERE.
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  • - ONCE A CRIMINAL IS REHABBED AND HAS SERVED
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  • HIS TIME AND RELEASED, WITHIN THREE YEARS THEY
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  • COMMIT A CRIME THAT'S PUT THEM RIGHT BACK IN JAIL.
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  • [POLICE SCREAMING]
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  • - OPEN THE DOOR!
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  • - WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PRISONS IN AMERICA,
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  • THERE'S REALLY A LONG HISTORY.
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  • WHITE HOUSE DIDN'T GET RUNNING WATER UNTIL FOUR
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  • YEARS AFTER THE PRISONS DID.
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  • - THE MIND SET OF PEOPLE THAT OH, THEY ARE IN
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  • THERE BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT JUST SHOCKED
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  • TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD SUCH A DIFFERENT
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  • OUTLOOK ABOUT IT.
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  • I MEAN, TBN HAS SATELLITE DISHES IN HALF THE
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  • PRISONS IN AMERICA.
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  • WE'RE GOING FOR THE OTHER HALF.
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  • - TBN'S SECOND CHANCE IS THE BRANCH OF MINISTRY
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  • THAT TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK SUPPORTS AND IS
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  • ACTIVE IN SETTING UP AND INSTALLING SATELLITE
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  • SYSTEMS IN THE PRISONS ACROSS AMERICA.
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  • - WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING THAT KIND OF
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  • HELP GETS THEM ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
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  • - EVERY SUNDAY MORNING, WE GET UP AND TURN THE
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  • CHANNEL ONTO TBN.
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  • - JESUS SPECIFICALLY IS POINTING OUT
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  • THE PRISONERS.
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  • - THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH TBN
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  • AND THEIR LIVES HAVE CHANGED.
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  • - YOU GIVE ME BACK MY HUMANITY, THIS PROGRAM.
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  • IT REALLY DOES.
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  • - I JUST THINK IT'S SO VITAL TO HAVE THE WORD OF
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  • GOD IN THOSE PRISONS.
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  • - AND GIVING US THE TBN NETWORK, WE REALLY
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  • APPRECIATE HERE IN THE PRISON.
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  • IT BRINGS SOME LIGHT IN THE DARKNESS.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN THE
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  • PRISON SYSTEMS IN AMERICA, WE FAIL TO
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  • UNDERSTAND HOW RADICALLY WE'VE MOVED IN A
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  • DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN EVEN FROM THE BEGINNINGS.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE PRISONS ARE TODAY VERSUS
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  • PREVIOUS GENERATIONS, WHICH DON'T KNOW HOW TO
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  • DEAL WITH BAD BEHAVIOR.
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  • WE USED TO KNOW THAT BAD BEHAVIOR IS SOLVED BY
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  • FIXING THE HEART.
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  • BUT TODAY SECULAR FOLKS WE THINK NOTHING WE CAN
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  • DO ABOUT THE HEART.
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  • SO WHAT WE DO IS TRY TO SURROUND THAT PERSON WITH
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  • BARRIERS THAT WILL KEEP THEM FROM HARMING OTHERS.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THE US CONSTITUTION PASSED,
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  • THERE WERE ONLY 3 FEDERAL FELONIES IN AMERICA.
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  • TODAY THERE'S OVER 4500 FEDERAL FELONIES
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  • IN AMERICA.
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  • REALLY THIS CRIMINALIZATION MIND SET
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  • WE HAVE IN SOCIETY IS THE RESULT OF HAVING LOST
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  • HEART CREELS THAT COME FROM FAITH.
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  • IF YOU CAN'T CONDUCT YOUR BEHAVIOR BY SOMETHING AS
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  • SIMPLE AS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, WE'RE
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  • ALWAYS GOING TO NEED MORE JAILS.
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  • SO THERE ARE SOLUTIONS.
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  • THERE ARE WAYS TO GET BACK IN THIS CULTURE TO A
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  • PERIOD IN TIME WHERE WE LOOK BACK AND SAY YOU
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  • KNOW, JAILS EXISTED BACK THEN BUT THEY WEREN'T THE
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  • DOMINANT THING IN THE CULTURE.
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  • NOW JAILS AND CRIMINALS HAVE BECOME A DOMINANT
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  • PART OF OUR CULTURE IN MODERN AMERICA.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - FEDERAL PRISONERS ARE CLASSIFIED ACCORDING TO
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  • THEIR AGE, CHARACTER, AND TYPE OFFENSE COMMITTED.
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  • THEN THEY ARE ACCEPT TO THE KIND OF INSTITUTION
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  • WHICH WILL BE MOST HELPFUL IN THE
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  • INDIVIDUAL CASE.
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  • PLUS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PROTECTING
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  • THE PUBLIC BY DOING SOMETHING TO REHABILITATE
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  • AND REFORM THE LAW VIOLATOR WHO MUST SOMEDAY
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  • RETURN TO THE COMMUNITY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRISONS IN AMERICA,
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  • THERE'S REALLY A LONG HISTORY.
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  • YOU GO BACK TO PRISONS EVEN IN ENGLAND.
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  • THE FIRST PRISONS IN ENGLAND WERE IN THE
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  • 1100'S OR SO.
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  • IT GOT TO BE THAT IN THE EUROPEAN SYSTEM
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  • PARTICULARLY AS THEY MOVED AWAY FROM THE
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  • BIBLE, IT WAS ALL ABOUT REALLY HARSH PUNISHMENTS.
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  • SOMETIMES PUNISHMENTS THAT DID NOT
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  • FIT THE CRIME.
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  • WHEN THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT AN EYE FOR AN EYE
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  • AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH, THAT'S NOT RETALIATION.
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  • IT'S THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME.
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  • IF THE CRIME WAS YOU LOST A TOOTH, WELL THEN THE
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  • PUNISHMENT SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN THAT.
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  • IN THE CASE OF WILLIAM PENN WHO FOUNDED
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  • PENNSYLVANIA, HE COMMITTED THE CRIME OF
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  • GOING TO THE WRONG CHURCH, AND FOR DOING
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  • THAT HE WAS IMPRISONED FOR 8 MONTHS IN THE TOWER
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  • OF LONDON.
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  • THAT'S NOT A CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THAT
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  • CERTAINLY ISN'T THE RIGHT PUNISHMENT TO GO WITH IT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - SO BY THE TIME OUR BIBLE ORIENTED PILGRIMS
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  • AND PURITANS STARTED COMING TO AMERICA, BY THE
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  • TIME THEY LEFT THERE, THERE WERE OVER 200
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  • CAPITAL OFFENSES IN ENGLAND.
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  • JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO GET YOU KILLED IN THE
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  • JUSTICE SYSTEM, SO WHEN THEY GOT HERE THERE'S NOT
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  • A SINGLE COLONY THAT HAD MORE THAN 15
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  • CAPITAL OFFENSES.
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  • IT WAS REALLY KIND OF A DIFFERENT SYSTEM BECAUSE
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  • WE DIDN'T HAVE JAILS HERE.
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  • HE HAD WHEN WERE CALLED CORRECTION HOUSES.
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  • IF YOU WERE ACCUSED OF A CRIME, YOU WERE PLACED
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  • IN A HOUSE.
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  • YOU WERE KEPT IN THAT HOUSE UNTIL THE COURT
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  • MET, AND WHEN THE COURT MET THEY SAID HERE'S THE
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  • VERDICT, AND JUSTICE WAS DISPENSED RIGHT THEN.
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  • YOU DIDN'T KEEP PEOPLE FOR MONTHS AND FOR WEEKS
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  • AND FOR YEARS.
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  • SO THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE SENSE OF KEEPING
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  • SOMEONE INCARCERATED FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
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  • AS THINGS WENT IN AMERICA, THEY SAID YOU
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  • KNOW, EVEN 15 DEATH PENALTY CRIMES IT'S SO
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  • MUCH LESS IN EUROPE, BUT EVEN THAT I'M NOT SURE
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  • THAT MAY BE TOO MANY.
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  • SO WHAT HAPPENED PARTICULARLY AT THE TIME
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  • OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, ABOUT 1775, YOU JUST
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  • SEEING CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
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  • PART OF THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE INFLUENCE OF A
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  • BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 1764 BY A GUY IN ITALY
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  • CALLED CRIME AND PUNISHMENTS BY
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  • CESARE BECCARI.
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  • HE SAID YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SWIFT PUNISHMENTS.
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  • YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SITTING IN JAIL FOR YEARS
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  • LIKE THEY DO IN EUROPE WHERE THEY THROW YOU IN
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  • THE DUNGEON AND KEEP YOU THERE.
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  • IT NEEDS TO BE COMMENSURATE TO WHAT
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  • HAPPENED AND IT NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE HUMANE.
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  • I MEAN, THIS THING OF KILLING EVERYBODY FOR
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  • CIVIL CRIMES IT'S NOT A GOOD DEAL.
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  • SO THE FOUNDING FATHERS READ THAT.
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  • THEY INGESTED THAT.
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  • THEY ALREADY BELIEVED THAT.
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  • THEY WERE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
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  • AND SO WHEN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS OVER, YOU
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  • START SEEING IN 1780 AND 83 AND 84 AT THE END OF
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  • THE REVOLUTION MOVING FORWARD THAT IN
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  • PENNSYLVANIA THEY START CHANGING THEIR CRIMINAL
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  • JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND IT'S LED BY A NUMBER OF
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  • FOUNDING FATHERS, BEN FRANKLIN, BENJAMIN RUSH,
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  • BOTH SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION.
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  • THEY SAID WE NEED TO DO PRISONS DIFFERENTLY.
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  • IT NEEDS TO TAKE A DIFFERENT STYLE.
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  • AND SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY TOOK SOME OF THE
  • 00:07:22.070 --> 00:07:23.170
  • JAILS THEY HAD, AND THESE JAILS WERE KIND OF
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  • TEMPORARY HOLDING PLACES, AND BY THE TIME YOU GET
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  • TO REALLY THE START OF THE 1700S, EVERY PLACE
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  • THAT HAD A COUNTY IN AMERICA ALSO HAD A
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  • COUNTY JAIL.
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  • BUT AGAIN, YOU JUST MIGHT ONLY BE THERE FOR A DAY
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  • OR 2 OR 3 OR 5 OR 10 UNTIL THE COURT MET.
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  • YOU WEREN'T THERE LONG.
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  • WHAT THEY DID IN PENNSYLVANIA THEY SAID
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  • WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ONE CAPITAL OFFENSE AND
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  • THAT'S FIRST DEGREE MURDER.
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  • IF YOU KILL SOMEONE, IT'S STILL DEATH PENALTY, BUT
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  • OTHER THAN THAT NO MORE DEATH PENALTIES.
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  • SO THEY SAID WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE MAY NEED TO
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  • KEEP YOU IN JAIL FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
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  • AND SO THAT'S WHERE PENITENTIARIES START COMING
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  • INTO BEING IS WE'RE EXCHANGE THE DEATH
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  • PENALTY MORE FOR OH MAYBE 3 YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 7
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  • YEARS, OR 6 MONTHS, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, WHERE ARE
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  • YOU GOING TO KEEP THESE GUYS?
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - THE LATEST AND MOST MODERN FEDERAL PRISON AT
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  • LEWISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA IS USED ALSO
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  • TO INCARCERATE THOSE WHO VIOLATE THE EVER GROWING
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  • NUMBER OF FEDERAL STATUTES.
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  • THE WATCH WORD OF THIS INSTITUTION EMBLAZONED ON
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  • ONE OF ITS ARCHES READS THAT WHICH IS PAST AND
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  • DONE IS IRREVOCABLE.
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  • WISE MEN HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WITH THINGS PRESENT
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  • AND TO COME.
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  • THIS WISE SAYING OF SIR FRANCES BACON EPITOMIZES
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  • THE OBJECTIVES OF THE FEDERAL PRISON PROGRAM
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  • WHICH IS ALWAYS STRIVING TO SEND MEN OUT OF PRISON
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  • BETTER AND NOT WORSE THAN WHEN THEY WERE RECEIVED.
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  • ONLY BY SO DOING CAN PRISONS PROTECT THE
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  • PUBLIC AGAINST FUTURE CRIMINALS.
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  • - THE FOUNDING FATHERS REALLY START CRIMINAL
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  • JUSTICE REFORM, AND BENJAMIN RUSH FOUNDING
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  • FATHER, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION WAS REALLY
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  • INTO FAITH BASED CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM BECAUSE
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  • YOU ARE WANTING TO REHABILITATE THE OFFENDER
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  • AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CHANGE THE
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  • HEART, AND THE WAY YOU CHANGE THE HEART IS
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  • THROUGH FAITH, THROUGH CHRIST, THROUGH THE BIBLE.
  • 00:09:13.020 --> 00:09:15.050
  • HE ACTUALLY HAS A PIECE THAT HE WROTE IN 1791
  • 00:09:15.070 --> 00:09:17.170
  • WHERE HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:09:17.190 --> 00:09:21.010
  • IF WE'D SIMPLY TEACH THE BIBLE IN SCHOOLS, WE
  • 00:09:21.030 --> 00:09:23.160
  • WOULD NEED A WHOLE LOT LESS PRISONS BECAUSE IF
  • 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:25.090
  • YOU CAN LEARN TO CONTROL YOUR HEART, YOUR BEHAVIOR
  • 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:27.130
  • IS CONTROLLED.
  • 00:09:27.150 --> 00:09:30.030
  • WELL, ALSO JUST AFTER THAT UP IN NEW YORK,
  • 00:09:30.050 --> 00:09:31.290
  • FOUNDING FATHERS LIKE JOHN JAY AND
  • 00:09:32.010 --> 00:09:34.000
  • REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL PHILLIP SHUYLER THEY SAID
  • 00:09:34.020 --> 00:09:36.140
  • WE'VE GOT TO DO THE SAME THING IN NEW YORK.
  • 00:09:36.160 --> 00:09:38.270
  • SO THEY STARTED REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CAPITAL
  • 00:09:38.290 --> 00:09:40.170
  • OFFENSES, BUT AS THEY DID THAT THEY NEEDED TO
  • 00:09:40.190 --> 00:09:42.070
  • HAVE PRISONS.
  • 00:09:42.090 --> 00:09:44.150
  • SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE WALNUT STREET JAIL IN
  • 00:09:44.170 --> 00:09:46.120
  • PHILADELPHIA THEY CONVERTED THAT OVER TO A
  • 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:49.030
  • PENITENTIARY, AND THAT'S THE REALLY THE FIRST ONE
  • 00:09:49.050 --> 00:09:51.060
  • IN AMERICA, AND THAT'S ABOUT 1794, THEREABOUTS
  • 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.050
  • WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SAY OKAY, LONGER PERIODS
  • 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:56.250
  • OF TIME.
  • 00:09:56.270 --> 00:09:58.220
  • AND THEN BY 1829, YOU REALLY GET THE FIRST
  • 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.070
  • GENUINE STATE PENITENTIARY.
  • 00:10:01.090 --> 00:10:03.130
  • AND THAT'S IN PENNSYLVANIA.
  • 00:10:03.150 --> 00:10:05.200
  • IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY CREATED CELL BLOCKS,
  • 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:08.110
  • ABOUT 7 CELLS IN EACH ONE.
  • 00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:10.150
  • YOU HAD A CENTRAL AREA WHERE A JAILER COULD SEE
  • 00:10:10.170 --> 00:10:12.280
  • THE CELL BLOCKS, AND EVERY PERSON WHO WAS IN
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.190
  • JAIL HAD THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CELL.
  • 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:17.290
  • THEY ALSO HAD RUNNING WATER.
  • 00:10:18.010 --> 00:10:20.150
  • THEY ALSO HAD A TOILET THAT FLUSHED, 1829.
  • 00:10:20.170 --> 00:10:23.200
  • THEY ALSO HAD CENTRAL HEATING, 1829.
  • 00:10:23.220 --> 00:10:26.230
  • THE WHITE HOUSE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT YET, SO
  • 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:31.270
  • THE CONDITION IN THE FIRST PENITENTIARY REALLY
  • 00:10:31.290 --> 00:10:33.220
  • OTHER THAN LOSING YOUR FREEDOM, THE CONDITIONS
  • 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.120
  • THERE WERE NOT BARBARIC OR INHUMANE.
  • 00:10:36.140 --> 00:10:38.190
  • THERE WERE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS
  • 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:40.080
  • PRESIDENT EXPERIENCED.
  • 00:10:40.100 --> 00:10:42.060
  • WHITE HOUSE DIDN'T GET RUNNING WATER UNTIL FOUR
  • 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.000
  • YEARS AFTER THE PRISONS DID.
  • 00:10:44.020 --> 00:10:45.230
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:49.020
  • - PRAISE COMES TO YOU TODAY FROM NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE.
  • 00:10:49.040 --> 00:10:52.290
  • AND TODAY I HAVE TO MAKE FULL DISCLOSURE.
  • 00:10:53.010 --> 00:10:56.080
  • NORMALLY LAURIE AND I IMMEDIATELY TURN IT OVER
  • 00:10:56.100 --> 00:11:00.080
  • TO THE GUESTS AND MAKE THEM TELL US WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:02.150
  • TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:11:02.170 --> 00:11:04.040
  • BUT I THINK I BETTER STEP IN FOR A SECOND, AND
  • 00:11:04.060 --> 00:11:06.130
  • FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME, ROGER NIELSON TO THE
  • 00:11:06.150 --> 00:11:08.280
  • PROGRAM AND CJ ORENDORF.
  • 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.290
  • SO FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU'RE MY BROTHER-IN-LAW
  • 00:11:12.010 --> 00:11:14.270
  • AND WE FIGHT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
  • 00:11:14.290 --> 00:11:17.180
  • - YES.
  • 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.010
  • - REMEMBER THAT?
  • 00:11:19.030 --> 00:11:20.150
  • - THAT'S ACCURATE.
  • 00:11:20.170 --> 00:11:22.030
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:23.150
  • SO I'M MARRIED TO HER.
  • 00:11:23.170 --> 00:11:24.230
  • THEY ARE BROTHER AND SISTER.
  • 00:11:24.250 --> 00:11:26.050
  • HE TRIES TO TELL ME EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THAT HE'S
  • 00:11:26.070 --> 00:11:27.070
  • KNOWN HER LONGER.
  • 00:11:27.090 --> 00:11:28.200
  • - SINCE I WAS IN DIAPERS.
  • 00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:30.070
  • - ALL THOSE WEIRD THINGS.
  • 00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:31.210
  • - LOVED EACH OTHER A LOT LONGER.
  • 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:32.290
  • - EXACTLY.
  • 00:11:33.010 --> 00:11:34.230
  • BUT I'M MARRIED TO HER SO BACK OFF.
  • 00:11:34.250 --> 00:11:36.120
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:36.140 --> 00:11:37.290
  • OR WE WILL FIGHT RIGHT HERE.
  • 00:11:38.010 --> 00:11:39.200
  • - IN FRONT OF THE LORD AND EVERYBODY.
  • 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.160
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:11:41.180 --> 00:11:43.270
  • WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT ONLY WEIRD FAMILY THINGS
  • 00:11:43.290 --> 00:11:48.040
  • BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MINISTRY THE WAY JESUS
  • 00:11:48.060 --> 00:11:52.170
  • SAID MINISTER.
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:54.260
  • SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DISCIPLES
  • 00:11:54.280 --> 00:12:01.200
  • CAME AND ASKED JESUS WHAT'S THE NUMBER
  • 00:12:01.220 --> 00:12:04.130
  • ONE COMMANDMENT.
  • 00:12:04.150 --> 00:12:06.040
  • TO LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND TO LOVE YOUR
  • 00:12:06.060 --> 00:12:08.200
  • NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
  • 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:10.260
  • SO LOVE REALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
  • 00:12:10.280 --> 00:12:13.170
  • BUT IF YOU KIND OF READ A COUPLE OF SCRIPTURES
  • 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:16.150
  • JESUS IS SPECIFICALLY POINTING OUT
  • 00:12:16.170 --> 00:12:19.030
  • THE PRISONERS.
  • 00:12:19.050 --> 00:12:21.240
  • CJ, YOU'VE BEEN 25 YEARS GOING INTO PRISON, ROGER,
  • 00:12:21.260 --> 00:12:24.010
  • YOU WERE IN PRISON.
  • 00:12:24.030 --> 00:12:26.180
  • SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL US A
  • 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.050
  • PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS SHOW.
  • 00:12:29.070 --> 00:12:33.220
  • CJ, YOU'VE BEEN GOING IN AND OUT OF PRISONS NOT AS
  • 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.170
  • A PRISONER BUT A MINISTRY TO PRISONS, AND RECENTLY
  • 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:39.260
  • TBN AND CJ AND A GROUP HAVE BEEN GOING AND
  • 00:12:39.280 --> 00:12:45.110
  • DOING TOURS.
  • 00:12:45.130 --> 00:12:47.180
  • WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN AND OUT OF SOME OF
  • 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.190
  • THESE ROLL-INS IN THIS BROADCAST AND WE INVITE
  • 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:53.080
  • YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS.
  • 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:55.010
  • BUT READ WHAT YOU WERE -- - LAURIE CROUCH: WELL,
  • 00:12:55.030 --> 00:12:57.280
  • I'LL JUST BE REAL HONEST HERE.
  • 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.030
  • I WAS PRETTY SHOCKED THE OTHER DAY WHEN SOME OF
  • 00:13:00.050 --> 00:13:01.280
  • OUR PEOPLE CAME TO US, OUR PASTOR, PASTOR MORRIS
  • 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.280
  • HE SAID YOU'D BE SHOCKED AT HOW PEOPLE --
  • 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.060
  • - DIFFICULT.
  • 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.020
  • - TO RAISE FUNDS.
  • 00:13:09.040 --> 00:13:12.260
  • - TO RAISE FUNDS FOR MINISTRIES THAT PRIMARILY
  • 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:15.120
  • GO INTO PRISONS.
  • 00:13:15.140 --> 00:13:17.180
  • - BECAUSE OF THE MIND SET OF PEOPLE THAT OH, THEY
  • 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.170
  • ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT.
  • 00:13:20.190 --> 00:13:22.100
  • YOU KNOW, WHY SEND PEOPLE IN THERE?
  • 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.150
  • AND I THINK I WAS JUST SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT
  • 00:13:24.170 --> 00:13:28.040
  • BECAUSE I'VE HAD SUCH A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK
  • 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:30.190
  • OF THAT.
  • 00:13:30.210 --> 00:13:32.080
  • I MEAN, TBN HAS SATELLITE DISHES IN HALF THE
  • 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:34.150
  • PRISONS IN AMERICA.
  • 00:13:34.170 --> 00:13:36.020
  • WE'RE GOING FOR THE OTHER HALF.
  • 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:37.250
  • AND I JUST THINK IT'S SO VITAL TO HAVE THE WORD OF
  • 00:13:37.270 --> 00:13:41.200
  • GOD IN THOSE PRISONS, SO I WAS VERY SHOCKED TO
  • 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.060
  • HEAR THAT.
  • 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.250
  • SO LET ME JUST READ A COUPLE SCRIPTURES.
  • 00:13:47.270 --> 00:13:51.080
  • THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS.
  • 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:53.090
  • HE SAYS IN MATTHEW 25, HE SAID ...
  • 00:13:53.110 --> 00:13:56.010
  • AND THEN IF YOU GO OVER TO HEBREWS 13: 3,
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:50.180
  • IT SAYS ...
  • 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.030
  • - SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY WE WOULDN'T TAKE THE WORD
  • 00:15:02.230 --> 00:15:05.230
  • AND GOD AND LOVE AND JOY AND PEACE INTO PRISONS.
  • 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.270
  • - FOR A LOT OF YEARS FROM CHILDHOOD ON, I'VE
  • 00:15:09.290 --> 00:15:14.220
  • HAD RAGE INSIDE OF ME THAT JUST WOULDN'T QUIT.
  • 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:18.070
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:21.030
  • - THERE WAS A LOT OF VIOLENCE IN MY HOME, AND
  • 00:15:21.050 --> 00:15:23.140
  • THAT'S ALL I KNEW.
  • 00:15:23.160 --> 00:15:27.030
  • SOMEBODY TO JUST LOOK AT ME THE WRONG WAY AND I'D
  • 00:15:27.050 --> 00:15:28.290
  • HIT THEM.
  • 00:15:29.010 --> 00:15:31.020
  • AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING.
  • 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:33.140
  • I DIDN'T CARE BECAUSE I HAD SUCH RAGE INSIDE OF ME.
  • 00:15:33.160 --> 00:15:37.190
  • BUT MY MOTHER WAS MENTALLY ILL, AND SHE
  • 00:15:37.210 --> 00:15:40.050
  • WOULD BEAT ME SEVERELY, BE ON CRYING BINGES AND
  • 00:15:40.070 --> 00:15:42.150
  • BEAT ME WITH WHATEVER HANDY.
  • 00:15:42.170 --> 00:15:45.120
  • AND THEN SHE'D STOP AND LOOK AT ME LIKE, WHY ARE
  • 00:15:45.140 --> 00:15:48.080
  • YOU CRYING?
  • 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:49.280
  • LIKE SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT SHE WAS
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.290
  • THE CAUSE OF IT.
  • 00:15:52.010 --> 00:15:53.200
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:56.210
  • I TRIED TO DROWN MY PAIN IN DRUGS, ALCOHOL, WOMEN,
  • 00:15:56.230 --> 00:16:00.050
  • DOING THINGS THAT COULD GET ME KILLED, BUT NONE
  • 00:16:00.070 --> 00:16:04.150
  • OF THAT WORKED.
  • 00:16:04.170 --> 00:16:06.110
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:16:06.130 --> 00:16:09.170
  • THEN IN 1991, I WAS ARRESTED AND I SPENT THE
  • 00:16:09.190 --> 00:16:13.020
  • NEXT 24 YEARS IN PRISON IN VIRGINIA.
  • 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:19.270
  • WELL, WHEN EUROPE DOING TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN
  • 00:16:19.290 --> 00:16:21.280
  • YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF TIME YOU COME INTO
  • 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.170
  • CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO COME FROM MANY DIFFERENT
  • 00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:29.280
  • SITUATIONS IN LIFE.
  • 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.080
  • AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ANGRY AND TOUCHY BECAUSE
  • 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:34.010
  • DUE TO PAST SITUATIONS IN THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:16:34.030 --> 00:16:36.120
  • A LOT OF THEM ARE HURT PEOPLE, AND HURT PEOPLE
  • 00:16:36.140 --> 00:16:39.160
  • HURT PEOPLE.
  • 00:16:39.180 --> 00:16:41.110
  • SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEGLECT IN THAT
  • 00:16:41.130 --> 00:16:43.090
  • ENVIRONMENT, SO TO FIND A GLEAM OF HOPE IN SUCH
  • 00:16:43.110 --> 00:16:50.000
  • SURROUNDINGS IT SEEMS LIKE AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.
  • 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:57.150
  • BUT DURING MY YEARS OF INCARCERATION THERE WERE
  • 00:16:57.170 --> 00:16:59.200
  • A LOT OF YEARS THAT WERE REALLY TRYING TIMES, AND
  • 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:03.280
  • WHEN IT ABOUT IN SECOND CHANCE PROGRAM CAME ALONG
  • 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.200
  • IT MEANT THE WORLD TO ME BECAUSE I COULD TURN ON
  • 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:11.060
  • THE TV AND WHERE I FELT SHAME, CONDEMNATION,
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:14.270
  • GUILT, UNFORGIVENESS, AND FELT ABANDONED, TBN
  • 00:17:14.290 --> 00:17:20.010
  • SHOWED ME THAT I WAS ACCEPTED AND LOVED BY A
  • 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:24.050
  • MERCIFUL GOD, AND IN MY WEAKNESS THEY WOULD
  • 00:17:24.070 --> 00:17:27.120
  • PROVIDE A MESSAGE THAT OFFERED ME STRENGTH.
  • 00:17:27.140 --> 00:17:30.270
  • BEING PEACEFUL UNDER SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES WAS THE
  • 00:17:30.290 --> 00:17:36.130
  • HARDEST THING I EVER DID IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
  • 00:17:36.150 --> 00:17:39.170
  • AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR
  • 00:17:39.190 --> 00:17:43.030
  • AS LONG AS I DID WAS THE MESSAGE I WAS RECEIVING
  • 00:17:43.050 --> 00:17:47.050
  • FROM TBN.
  • 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:52.130
  • THEY OFFERED ME A GUIDELINE OF HOW I'M
  • 00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:56.150
  • SUPPOSED TO LIVE MY LIFE, SOMETHING TO HELP ME.
  • 00:17:56.170 --> 00:18:02.210
  • AND I EXITED PRISON KNOWING THAT GOD LOVES ME.
  • 00:18:02.230 --> 00:18:06.100
  • HE KNOWS THE WORST ABOUT ME, AND HE LOVES ME ANYWAY.
  • 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:09.080
  • IMAGINE THAT.
  • 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:11.000
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:18:11.020 --> 00:18:15.070
  • SEE, THE THING OF IT IS YOU THINK YOU GOT TO GET
  • 00:18:15.090 --> 00:18:17.110
  • PERFECT BEFORE YOU GO TO CHURCH.
  • 00:18:17.130 --> 00:18:20.040
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT.
  • 00:18:20.060 --> 00:18:21.210
  • NOBODY'S PERFECT.
  • 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:23.150
  • EVEN THE PREACHER OR THE PRIEST AREN'T PERFECT.
  • 00:18:23.170 --> 00:18:25.020
  • THEY'RE SINNERS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
  • 00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:26.200
  • ALL YOU GOTTA DO IT COME TO HIM AND HE'LL FORGIVE
  • 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:29.180
  • YOU AND LOVE YOU.
  • 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.020
  • IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
  • 00:18:32.040 --> 00:18:34.070
  • I WENT FROM BEING A SINFUL, VIOLENT,
  • 00:18:34.090 --> 00:18:40.280
  • RAGE FILLED MAN TO BEING 99% PEACEFUL.
  • 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:48.140
  • I STILL HAVE MY MOMENTS, BUT THEY'RE RARE.
  • 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.050
  • AND IT'S JUST THE LOVE OF GOD, TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:18:52.070 --> 00:18:56.230
  • GOD LOVES ME NONETHELESS.
  • 00:18:56.250 --> 00:19:00.130
  • - MATT CROUCH: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE "WHY".
  • 00:19:06.260 --> 00:19:12.020
  • THIS STARTED WITH YOU AND MINISTRY KIND OF BACK IN 1994.
  • 00:19:12.040 --> 00:19:17.010
  • - LAURIE CROUCH: 2ND CHANCE MINISTRIES.
  • 00:19:17.030 --> 00:19:20.150
  • - IT FEELS LIKE, CJ, THAT YOU HAD TO BE
  • 00:19:20.170 --> 00:19:24.000
  • INTRODUCED TO THIS, YOU HAD TO KIND OF GO AND
  • 00:19:24.020 --> 00:19:26.130
  • PRAY ABOUT IT. START THERE.
  • 00:19:26.150 --> 00:19:28.090
  • WHAT WAS THE LORD KIND OF DEALING WITH YOU
  • 00:19:28.110 --> 00:19:30.250
  • ABOUT THAT DAY?
  • 00:19:30.270 --> 00:19:32.200
  • - THANK YOU MATT.
  • 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:34.020
  • THERE WAS A, AS I WAS GROWING UP, I WAS RAISED
  • 00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:39.160
  • BY A WONDERFUL PASTOR AND A WONDERFUL HOME,
  • 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:43.120
  • WONDERFUL SISTER, AND THERE WAS SOMETHING IN
  • 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:48.280
  • ME, I KNEW THAT I WAS PROBABLY GONNA END UP IN
  • 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.170
  • MINISTRY. I KNEW THAT MINISTRY WOULD BE THERE.
  • 00:19:51.190 --> 00:19:53.140
  • I KNEW THAT MUSIC WOULD BE A HUGE PART OF IT, BUT
  • 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.260
  • I HAD THIS ATTRACTION FOR EVANGELISM THAT WAS NEVER
  • 00:19:55.280 --> 00:20:00.000
  • REALLY SCRATCHED UNTIL I GOT TO PRISON.
  • 00:20:00.020 --> 00:20:03.090
  • AND SO WHEN I GOT THERE WHEN I WAS 32 YEARS OLD,
  • 00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:06.160
  • I FOUND PRISON MINISTRY, AND IT WAS SUDDENLY LIKE
  • 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:11.170
  • WHAT YOU JUST READ WAS THE BASIS, THE VERY
  • 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:16.070
  • BASICS OF MINISTRY.
  • 00:20:16.090 --> 00:20:17.280
  • YOU'RE GONNA CLOTHE THOSE THAT ARE NAKED, YOU'RE
  • 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.220
  • GONNA GIVE THOSE THAT ARE THIRSTY A DRINK OF COLD
  • 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:21.220
  • WATER, YOU'RE GONNA FEED THOSE THAT ARE HUNGRY
  • 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.180
  • AND YOU'RE GONNA VISIT THE PRISONERS.
  • 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.210
  • IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS SUCH A FOLLOW THROUGH.
  • 00:20:27.230 --> 00:20:30.080
  • IT WAS SUCH AN EASY DECISION FOR ME.
  • 00:20:30.100 --> 00:20:32.090
  • AND WHEN I GOT THERE AND SAID YES TO THAT FIRST
  • 00:20:32.110 --> 00:20:35.130
  • INVITATION, IT WAS LIKE THERE WAS AN AMOUNT,
  • 00:20:35.150 --> 00:20:43.110
  • A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SATISFACTION AND
  • 00:20:43.130 --> 00:20:46.230
  • FULFILLMENT THAT I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED IN MY
  • 00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:49.110
  • LIFE EXCEPT FOR THE MOMENTS WITH MY PARENTS
  • 00:20:49.130 --> 00:20:52.180
  • WHEN THEY MINISTERED TO PEOPLE THAT WERE DOWN AND
  • 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.280
  • OUT. AND I REMEMBER COMING HOME-- YOU PROBABLY
  • 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:58.250
  • REMEMBER COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL AND A STRANGER
  • 00:20:58.270 --> 00:21:02.090
  • IS SITTING AT THE TABLE.
  • 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:04.120
  • AND WE SAY OH, HELLO, WHERE IS MY MOTHER?
  • 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:07.100
  • AND WE WANDER TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, MOM WHO IS
  • 00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:10.010
  • THIS PERSON NOW?
  • 00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:11.180
  • WELL, SHEILA IS GOING TO BE STAYING WITH US FOR
  • 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.070
  • THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, SHE'S BEEN HAVING SOME
  • 00:21:15.090 --> 00:21:17.010
  • HARD TIMES, AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW HER THE LOVE
  • 00:21:17.030 --> 00:21:19.150
  • OF JESUS. SO THOSE WERE FULFILLING TIMES TO ME,
  • 00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:24.040
  • AND IMMEDIATELY WHAT I FELT IN PRISON WAS THAT I HAVE
  • 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:28.150
  • TO HELP THOSE THAT ARE DOWN, THAT HAVEN'T HAD
  • 00:21:28.170 --> 00:21:31.060
  • THE OPPORTUNITIES I'VE HAD, OR THAT HAVE JUST
  • 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:35.250
  • BEEN WRANGLED BY THE ENEMY WITH THE DRUGS
  • 00:21:35.270 --> 00:21:40.000
  • AND THE WHOLE, ALL THE STUFF THAT THE ENEMY
  • 00:21:40.020 --> 00:21:43.180
  • TRAPS PEOPLE UP WITH.
  • 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.090
  • - LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
  • 00:21:45.110 --> 00:21:46.190
  • ROGER, I'LL ASK YOU THIS SAME QUESTION ALSO.
  • 00:21:46.210 --> 00:21:50.110
  • MAYBE YOU CAN BOTH ANSWER IT.
  • 00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:54.060
  • STATISTICALLY A LOT OF CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THOSE
  • 00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:58.280
  • IN PRISON ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY DESERVED IT,
  • 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.110
  • AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GONNA GET ALL DEALT WITH,
  • 00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:06.130
  • AND THEY BROKE THE LAW, THEY WENT TO PRISON OR IN
  • 00:22:06.150 --> 00:22:08.270
  • JAIL, NOW THEY'RE OUT.
  • 00:22:08.290 --> 00:22:11.030
  • THAT'S KIND OF THE END OF IT.
  • 00:22:11.050 --> 00:22:13.140
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT, THAT ATTITUDE?
  • 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.090
  • - WELL, OF COURSE THEY DESERVE IT.
  • 00:22:16.110 --> 00:22:19.070
  • ALL OF US DESERVE PAYMENT FOR OUR SINS.
  • 00:22:19.090 --> 00:22:23.250
  • A LOT OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN CAUGHT FOR SOME OF THE
  • 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:27.060
  • SAME THINGS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL FREE ARE
  • 00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:29.250
  • STILL GETTING AWAY WITH. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
  • 00:22:29.270 --> 00:22:33.190
  • THE POINT IS THE FACT THAT WE ALL IN A WAY
  • 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:37.010
  • SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA PAY.
  • 00:22:37.030 --> 00:22:39.210
  • IF WE DON'T GET CAUGHT, WE GO TO PRISON, THERE'S
  • 00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:43.040
  • OTHER WAYS WE PAY, AND SOME OF US ARE STILL
  • 00:22:43.060 --> 00:22:45.130
  • PAYING FOR OUR WRONG CHOICES EVEN TODAY.
  • 00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:48.200
  • AND OUR CHURCHES ARE STILL TRYING TO GET FREE
  • 00:22:48.220 --> 00:22:51.050
  • FROM IT, BUT WE PAY FOR THE WAY THAT WE LIVE
  • 00:22:51.070 --> 00:22:54.190
  • ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
  • 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:56.180
  • OF COURSE THEY DESERVE IT EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE
  • 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:01.090
  • THERE DOING TIME FOR SOMETHING THEY'RE--
  • 00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:05.060
  • - MATT CROUCH: FALSE CHARGE.
  • 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:06.130
  • - RIGHT, FALSE CHARGE OR SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT
  • 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:08.120
  • ACTUALLY GUILTY OF, BUT THOSE GUYS WILL ALSO TELL
  • 00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:11.170
  • ME STRAIGHT TO MY FACE, CJ, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT,
  • 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:14.130
  • I'M GUILTY OF WAY MORE. I'M OKAY DOING MY TIME.
  • 00:23:14.150 --> 00:23:17.250
  • THE LORD IS REALLY GETTING MY ATTENTION
  • 00:23:17.270 --> 00:23:19.210
  • WHILE I'M HERE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE
  • 00:23:19.230 --> 00:23:22.250
  • COMING TO TERMS WITH THEIR SIN.
  • 00:23:22.270 --> 00:23:24.260
  • WHATEVER IT WAS THAT SEPARATED FROM GOD, MAN,
  • 00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:27.120
  • IF THEY'LL MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE LORD,
  • 00:23:27.140 --> 00:23:31.170
  • THEY SUDDENLY REALIZE HE'S BEEN TALKING TO THEM
  • 00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:34.090
  • AND TALKING TO THEM AND TALKING TO THEM, AND
  • 00:23:34.110 --> 00:23:36.110
  • THEY'VE JUST BEEN GIVING HIM THE HAND FOR SO LONG,
  • 00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.250
  • AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES PRISON FOR A MAN TO SEE JESUS.
  • 00:23:38.270 --> 00:23:41.280
  • - IT FEELS LIKE SOMETIMES WE SHOULD THINK
  • 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.070
  • OF IT AS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, MISSION FIELD,
  • 00:23:45.090 --> 00:23:49.210
  • AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A -- NO PUN INTENDED,
  • 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:54.090
  • A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE AT SOME POINT IS
  • 00:23:54.110 --> 00:23:56.220
  • A VERY LEGITIMATE THING.
  • 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.280
  • TBN'S BEEN PUTTING OUR SIGNAL THERE GIVING
  • 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.220
  • PRISONS THE EQUIPMENT AND DOING ALL OF THAT.
  • 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.180
  • WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES, AND WE'RE NOW IN
  • 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:09.010
  • ABOUT HALF OF THE PRISONS IN THE UNITED STATES.
  • 00:24:09.030 --> 00:24:11.270
  • ROGER, YOUR THOUGHTS FIRST OF ALL ON THE IDEA
  • 00:24:11.290 --> 00:24:17.170
  • SAME QUESTION THAT I GAVE TO CJ.
  • 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:20.210
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO PEOPLE THAT JUST THINK
  • 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:25.190
  • THE PUNISHMENT OF BEING INCARCERATED IS KIND OF
  • 00:24:25.210 --> 00:24:29.120
  • GOOD ENOUGH AND THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET
  • 00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:32.100
  • CHRISTIANS TO THINK ABOUT PRISONERS.
  • 00:24:32.120 --> 00:24:34.230
  • - YEAH, I SORT OF FOLLOW-UP WITH CJ.
  • 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:36.280
  • I THINK THAT IF SOMEBODY COMMITTED A CRIME, YOU
  • 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.230
  • DESERVE TO DO THE TIME.
  • 00:24:38.250 --> 00:24:41.180
  • AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK DOING TIME AS A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.230
  • ESPECIALLY WAS ONE WOULD BE THE FELLOWSHIP.
  • 00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:49.220
  • SO WHEN I WAS OUT BEFORE I WENT TO PRISON, I HAD
  • 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.240
  • FELLOWSHIP IN THE STREETS WITH A BUNCH OF GANG
  • 00:24:52.260 --> 00:24:55.140
  • MEMBERS AND DRUG DEALERS AND DRUG ADDICTS, AND
  • 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.180
  • THEN ONCE I WENT TO PRISON, I SORT OF GAVE MY
  • 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.150
  • LIFE TO THE LORD AND IDENTIFIED WITH THIS
  • 00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:04.010
  • GROUP THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAT STOOD OUT.
  • 00:25:04.030 --> 00:25:06.140
  • AND THEY SORT OF SUPPORTED EACH OTHER.
  • 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.010
  • AND IT WASN'T ALWAYS EASY.
  • 00:25:08.030 --> 00:25:10.060
  • A LOT OF TIMES WE WERE OSTRACIZED AND LOOKED
  • 00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:14.180
  • DOWN UPON AND NOT MUCH SUPPORT.
  • 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.250
  • I'VE BEEN OUT NOW 13 YEARS, AND WE MET IN THERE.
  • 00:25:17.270 --> 00:25:21.020
  • HE CAME IN TO DO MINISTRY AND SING AND
  • 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:24.250
  • SHARE THE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:25:24.270 --> 00:25:26.190
  • HE CAME IN AND JUST BROUGHT HOPE TO US.
  • 00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:30.140
  • - CJ: TBN 2ND CHANCE IS THE BRANCH OF MINISTRY
  • 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.070
  • THAT TRINITY BROADCASTING SUPPORTS AND IS ACTIVE
  • 00:25:35.090 --> 00:25:38.250
  • IN SETTING UP AND INSTALLING SATELLITE
  • 00:25:38.270 --> 00:25:41.050
  • SYSTEMS IN THE PRISONS ACROSS AMERICA.
  • 00:25:41.070 --> 00:25:44.210
  • THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 2007.
  • 00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:49.210
  • THE IMPACT THAT 24 HOUR A DAY CHRISTIAN PROGRAMMING
  • 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:53.250
  • INSIDE PRISONS IS HAVING IS REALLY PROFOUND
  • 00:25:53.270 --> 00:25:57.190
  • BECAUSE THE CHAPLAINS CAN ONLY BE THERE FOR A
  • 00:25:57.210 --> 00:26:00.150
  • CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT IF TRINITY
  • 00:26:00.170 --> 00:26:02.130
  • BROADCASTING IS THERE, THE SATELLITE HAS BEEN
  • 00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:04.170
  • INSTALLED, THEY LITERALLY HAVE 24 HOUR A DAY ACCESS
  • 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:09.170
  • TO SOME OF THE BEST MINISTRY IN OUR NATION.
  • 00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:15.120
  • THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE INMATE
  • 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:17.210
  • POPULATION ACROSS AMERICA AND THEY WOULD SEND OUT
  • 00:26:17.230 --> 00:26:21.040
  • A CREW TO INSTALL THESE SYSTEMS SO YOU GUYS WOULD
  • 00:26:21.060 --> 00:26:23.270
  • HAVE ACCESS TO 24 HOURS A DAY CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
  • 00:26:23.290 --> 00:26:27.160
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:29.270
  • NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAS EVER PAID A DIME TO HAVE
  • 00:26:29.290 --> 00:26:32.240
  • THOSE INSTALLATIONS HAPPEN IN THEIR PRISON.
  • 00:26:32.260 --> 00:26:35.210
  • IT'S A GIFT FROM TBN.
  • 00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:37.060
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:39.160
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:48.140
  • NOT ONLY WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM BY
  • 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.090
  • INSTALLING THE SATELLITE SYSTEMS, BUT THAT YOU
  • 00:26:51.110 --> 00:26:55.040
  • BOTHERED TO COME SEE THEM.
  • 00:26:55.060 --> 00:26:57.200
  • THAT MAKES A POWERFUL IMPACT ON THEM.
  • 00:26:57.220 --> 00:27:02.050
  • - AS SOON AS I HEARD THAT 2ND CHANCE WAS COMING,
  • 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:04.060
  • LIKE OH, MAN, THIS IS GONNA BE FUN!
  • 00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:05.270
  • THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD!
  • 00:27:05.290 --> 00:27:07.140
  • BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT WATCHING TBN.
  • 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.190
  • IT'S LIKE I'M GONNA BE A PART OF SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:11.140
  • I'VE WATCHED ON TV, SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S A
  • 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.100
  • FELLOWSHIP OUT THERE AND THEY'RE BRINGING THE
  • 00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:16.090
  • FELLOWSHIP IN HERE AND INVOLVING ME IN IT.
  • 00:27:16.110 --> 00:27:19.270
  • - WHEN THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
  • 00:27:22.070 --> 00:27:25.050
  • ACTUALLY TRYING TO IMPOSE CORRECTION ON A PERSON'S
  • 00:27:25.070 --> 00:27:28.140
  • LIFE FOR THEM TO HAVE THE TOOLS THAT THEY REALLY
  • 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.220
  • REALLY NEED TO BECOME WHO THEY NEED TO BE
  • 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.240
  • IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
  • 00:27:32.260 --> 00:27:35.220
  • - TBN IS SO HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S THERE IN THEIR DORM.
  • 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.050
  • - IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO HAVE A TV I CAN WATCH
  • 00:27:39.070 --> 00:27:42.070
  • AND IT'S GONNA STRENGTHEN ME.
  • 00:27:42.090 --> 00:27:44.010
  • - EVERYTHING ELSE IN SOCIETY NOW IS PREACHING
  • 00:27:44.030 --> 00:27:46.180
  • DEGRADATION. TBN IS ONE OF THE ONLY CHANNELS THAT
  • 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.160
  • WE CAN GET THAT DOESN'T.
  • 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:51.090
  • - I HAVE SEEN GOD'S SPIRIT MOVE ON THE
  • 00:27:51.110 --> 00:27:53.100
  • HEARTS OF MAN IN WAYS I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:55.190
  • - THERE'S HOPE AND THERE'S A HOPE FOR TOMORROW.
  • 00:27:55.210 --> 00:27:59.030
  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRISONS TODAY, AND ONLY
  • 00:28:05.260 --> 00:28:08.050
  • ABOUT 3.2 PERCENT OF TODAY'S PRISONERS ARE
  • 00:28:08.070 --> 00:28:11.230
  • ACTUALLY THERE FOR SOMETHING LIKE MURDER.
  • 00:28:11.250 --> 00:28:14.120
  • NEARLY HALF THE PRISONERS ARE THERE FOR DRUG CRIMES.
  • 00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:17.210
  • WELL DRUG CRIMES ARE BAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT
  • 00:28:17.230 --> 00:28:20.160
  • NECESSARILY LIKE MURDER, SO YOU GET LOTS OF YEARS
  • 00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:23.250
  • FOR DRUG CRIMES, AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO
  • 00:28:23.270 --> 00:28:25.180
  • REHABILITATE THE OFFENDER.
  • 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.140
  • YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO RESTITUTION TO SOCIETY.
  • 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.060
  • AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE FOUNDING FATHERS WORRIED
  • 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:32.050
  • ABOUT DECADES AGO WAS IF YOU PUT ALL THE CRIMINALS
  • 00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:34.270
  • THE SAME PLACE, THEY ALL TEACH EACH OTHER THE
  • 00:28:34.290 --> 00:28:37.000
  • CRIME AND THEY BECOME WORSE.
  • 00:28:37.020 --> 00:28:40.120
  • WHEN A SOCIETY HAS LESS AND LESS OF GOD, YOU CAN
  • 00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:44.130
  • SEE IT IN MANY WAYS, AND ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS
  • 00:28:44.150 --> 00:28:46.170
  • WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR PRISON POPULATION.
  • 00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:48.190
  • IT ALSO IS SEEN IN THE WAY THAT YOU HANDLE
  • 00:28:48.210 --> 00:28:51.090
  • PRISONERS WHEN THEY COME TO COURT.
  • 00:28:51.110 --> 00:28:53.140
  • IT IS A UNIQUE THING IN OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
  • 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.180
  • UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION, THE 4TH THROUGH THE 8TH
  • 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.120
  • AMENDMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAVE WHAT
  • 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.060
  • ARE CALLED THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS.
  • 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:04.030
  • AND THAT'S THE RIGHT TO CONFRONT YOUR ACCUSER,
  • 00:29:04.050 --> 00:29:05.290
  • THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY, THE RIGHT TO
  • 00:29:06.010 --> 00:29:07.180
  • HAVE A TRIAL BY JURY, THE RIGHT TO COMPEL
  • 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.240
  • WITNESSES YOU MAY HAVE.
  • 00:29:09.260 --> 00:29:11.090
  • ALL THESE THINGS WE HAVE DUE PROCESS CLAUSE, AND
  • 00:29:11.110 --> 00:29:14.110
  • YET IF YOU GO TO FEDERAL PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE,
  • 00:29:14.130 --> 00:29:18.010
  • WHICH IS A SERIES OF FEDERAL LAW BOOKS BY
  • 00:29:18.030 --> 00:29:20.050
  • WHICH YOU PRACTICE FEDERAL LAW, VOLUME 30
  • 00:29:20.070 --> 00:29:22.240
  • FEDERAL PRACTICE PROCEDURE HAS DOZENS OF
  • 00:29:22.260 --> 00:29:25.160
  • PAGES COMMITTED TO POINT OUT THAT EVERY SINGLE
  • 00:29:25.180 --> 00:29:29.170
  • RIGHT IN THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS AND THE BILL OF
  • 00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:32.060
  • RIGHTS IS A RIGHT DRAWN FROM THE BIBLE.
  • 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:35.000
  • SO THE WAY WE TREAT OUR PRISONERS, THE WAY WE
  • 00:29:35.020 --> 00:29:38.020
  • CONDUCT OUR JAILS, THE WAY WE RUN OUR COURTS,
  • 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:40.220
  • THE WAY WE HAVE JUSTICE, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE
  • 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.110
  • KANGAROO COURTS YOU SEE IN SO MANY THIRD WORLD
  • 00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:45.280
  • NATIONS. WHY? BECAUSE WE HAVE DUE PROCESS.
  • 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.020
  • WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? THE BIBLE.
  • 00:29:48.040 --> 00:29:50.000
  • SO NOT ONLY DOES THE BIBLE CHANGE BEHAVIOR AND
  • 00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:52.180
  • THEREFORE REDUCE PRISON POPULATIONS, IT ALSO
  • 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.010
  • CHANGES THE WAY YOU HANDLE PRISONERS, THE WAY
  • 00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:58.020
  • YOU INCARCERATE, THE WAY YOU CONVICT THEM.
  • 00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:00.130
  • THERE'S NONE OF THE STAR CHAMBER COURTS OR THE
  • 00:30:00.150 --> 00:30:03.180
  • HIGH ADMIRALTY COURTS OR THE THINGS THAT DOMINATED
  • 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.250
  • EUROPE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE.
  • 00:30:05.270 --> 00:30:07.150
  • SO THE MORE SECULAR WE BECOME, THE MORE YOU SEE
  • 00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:11.040
  • COURTS MOVE INTO THE WAY OF WHAT WE SEE IN GERMANY
  • 00:30:11.060 --> 00:30:13.110
  • NOW, WHAT WE SEE IN FRANCE AND SOME OF THE
  • 00:30:13.130 --> 00:30:15.180
  • OTHER NATIONS WHERE IT'S AN ABOMINATION OF
  • 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.250
  • MOST AMERICANS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE COURTS,
  • 00:30:19.270 --> 00:30:22.000
  • BUT THEY'RE BECOMING MORE AND MORE SECULAR.
  • 00:30:22.020 --> 00:30:24.030
  • AND THAT WILL HAPPEN IN AMERICA TOO IF WE DON'T
  • 00:30:24.050 --> 00:30:25.290
  • KEEP THAT BIBLICAL FOUNDATION.
  • 00:30:26.010 --> 00:30:27.220
  • WE CHERISH OUR RIGHTS TODAY BUT WE JUST DON'T
  • 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.250
  • KNOW WHERE MOST OF THEM CAME FROM.
  • 00:30:29.270 --> 00:30:31.250
  • SO FEDERAL PRACTICE PROCEDURE IS GREAT AT
  • 00:30:31.270 --> 00:30:33.250
  • POINTING OUT THAT THEY COME FROM THE BIBLE,
  • 00:30:33.270 --> 00:30:35.190
  • AND IF YOU BECOME A BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE
  • 00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:37.160
  • GROUP, YOU'LL FIND OTHER REASONS TO MOVE AWAY FROM
  • 00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:40.030
  • THAT. SO THE BIBLE DOES AFFECT NOT ONLY THE SIZE OF
  • 00:30:40.050 --> 00:30:43.180
  • THE POPULATION IN JAIL BUT ALSO EVEN HOW WE HANDLE
  • 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.120
  • PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL AND WHAT THEY DO
  • 00:30:47.140 --> 00:30:49.260
  • AFTER THEY GET THERE.
  • 00:30:49.280 --> 00:30:51.190
  • THAT'S A BIG THING THAT THE BIBLE INFLUENCES.
  • 00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:54.270
  • - NARRATOR: OVERCROWDING HAS RESULTED OF COURSE
  • 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.240
  • BOTH IN FEDERAL AND STATE PRISONS.
  • 00:30:57.260 --> 00:30:59.290
  • HERE IS A VIEW OF 5.500 PRISONERS IN ONE
  • 00:31:00.030 --> 00:31:02.280
  • WESTERN STATE INSTITUTION.
  • 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.040
  • HOW CAN THERE BE ANY STUDY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
  • 00:31:05.060 --> 00:31:07.100
  • PRISONER OR CONSTRUCTIVE TREATMENT OF HIS PROBLEMS
  • 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:10.030
  • WHEN SO MANY ARE CROWDED IN A SINGLE INSTITUTION?
  • 00:31:10.050 --> 00:31:13.230
  • - THERE'S THOSE TIMES THAT TBN COMES IN PERFECT
  • 00:31:17.060 --> 00:31:20.250
  • TIMING ON THAT, SO I THINK WITH WHAT YOU GUYS
  • 00:31:20.270 --> 00:31:24.020
  • ARE ALREADY DOING, JUST KEEP POURING INTO IT,
  • 00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:26.130
  • KEEP DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPACTING GUYS IN PRISON.
  • 00:31:26.150 --> 00:31:29.260
  • - AND THINK ABOUT THE ROGERS THAT ARE
  • 00:31:29.280 --> 00:31:33.260
  • STILL LOCKED UP.
  • 00:31:33.280 --> 00:31:35.250
  • WE GOT A LETTER RECENTLY FROM A YOUNG MAN, JEREMY,
  • 00:31:35.270 --> 00:31:39.280
  • THAT UNLESS GOD INTERVENES WILL NEVER
  • 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.040
  • EVER BE OUTSIDE AGAIN.
  • 00:31:42.060 --> 00:31:45.270
  • HE FOUND TBN AND VERY WELL COULD BE
  • 00:31:45.290 --> 00:31:50.210
  • WATCHING THIS BROADCAST.
  • 00:31:50.230 --> 00:31:52.230
  • - MY NAME IS JEREMY.
  • 00:31:57.140 --> 00:31:58.250
  • I'M 47 YEARS OLD SERVING A LIFE SENTENCE IN
  • 00:31:58.270 --> 00:32:01.090
  • ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
  • 00:32:01.110 --> 00:32:04.100
  • I GREW UP NOT KNOWING GOD.
  • 00:32:04.120 --> 00:32:06.160
  • TO THIS DAY, I'M QUITE IGNORANT TO HIM.
  • 00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:10.080
  • MY GRANDFATHER WAS A PENTECOSTAL PASTOR WHO
  • 00:32:10.100 --> 00:32:13.220
  • MOLESTED LITTLE GIRLS IN HIS CONGREGATION.
  • 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.010
  • I HELD THAT ANGER THAT HOW COULD GOD LET A MAN
  • 00:32:17.030 --> 00:32:22.200
  • PREACH HIS WORD AND DO THAT TO LITTLE GIRLS.
  • 00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:27.070
  • MY FATHER RAISED MY SISTER AND I IN A SECULAR
  • 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.000
  • WORLD. NO RELIGION, NO TALK OF GOD.
  • 00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:35.070
  • I'VE SPENT ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE IN AND OUT OF
  • 00:32:35.090 --> 00:32:39.000
  • PRISON. IN 2005 I WAS CONVICTED OF FIRST DEGREE
  • 00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:41.290
  • MURDER FOR KILLING A CHILD MOLESTER.
  • 00:32:42.010 --> 00:32:45.000
  • I AM A POSTER CHILD FOR THE SCUM OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:32:45.020 --> 00:32:49.110
  • I'M A THIEF, I'M A LIAR, I'M A DRUG ADDICT,
  • 00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:52.220
  • AND A MURDERER.
  • 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.250
  • I'VE CURSED GOD'S NAME, DENOUNCED HIM, HATED HIM.
  • 00:32:56.150 --> 00:33:00.230
  • I EVEN PUNCHED PEOPLE IN THE FACE WHO
  • 00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:02.250
  • TRIED TO WITNESS TO ME.
  • 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:05.040
  • I'M IN A SINGLE CELL LOCKDOWN 24 HOURS A DAY.
  • 00:33:05.060 --> 00:33:08.180
  • I'VE DONE 90 PERCENT OF MY TIME THIS WAY.
  • 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.260
  • DRUGS ARE REALLY QUITE EASY TO GET IN HERE,
  • 00:33:12.280 --> 00:33:15.070
  • YES, EVEN IN A MAXIMUM SECURITY UNIT, BUT WE'RE
  • 00:33:15.090 --> 00:33:19.090
  • ALLOWED A TV, A RADIO, CD PLAYER IN HERE
  • 00:33:19.110 --> 00:33:23.270
  • WHICH GETS ME TO THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY.
  • 00:33:23.290 --> 00:33:28.260
  • YOU SEE, THREE AND A HALF WEEKS AGO, MY RADIO BROKE
  • 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:31.290
  • AND I HAD TO BUY A NEW ONE AND REALLY,
  • 00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:33.190
  • ALL I LISTEN TO IS METAL.
  • 00:33:33.210 --> 00:33:35.250
  • I GOT A GRAM OF HEROIN AND I WAS GONNA
  • 00:33:35.270 --> 00:33:37.280
  • CHECK OUT OF THIS WORLD.
  • 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.140
  • LIFE IN PRISON, I WAS JUST TIRED OF ALL THIS.
  • 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.120
  • I WAS GONNA TURN ON SOME TUNES, LOAD THE WHOLE
  • 00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:44.200
  • GRAM UP AND OVERDOSE.
  • 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:48.050
  • AND I TURN ON THE RADIO AND A SONG CAME ON.
  • 00:33:48.070 --> 00:33:51.090
  • PEOPLE, IT'S QUITE AMAZING HOW A THREE AND A
  • 00:33:51.110 --> 00:33:54.040
  • HALF MINUTE SONG CAN SAVE A LIFE, FIND SALVATION IN
  • 00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:58.010
  • JESUS CHRIST, AND REALIZE HE LOVES YOU JUST AS HE
  • 00:33:58.030 --> 00:34:01.160
  • FINDS YOU. DRUG ADDICT, MURDERER, THIEF.
  • 00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:07.080
  • THE STORY GETS CRAZIER.
  • 00:34:07.100 --> 00:34:09.140
  • THE SONG ENDED AND THE DJ SAID THAT WAS HILLSONG
  • 00:34:09.160 --> 00:34:11.150
  • UNITED, AS YOU FIND ME.
  • 00:34:11.170 --> 00:34:13.200
  • I GOT UP, THREW THE SYRINGE IN THE TOILET
  • 00:34:13.220 --> 00:34:15.170
  • AND FLUSHED IT.
  • 00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:17.260
  • I HAD NO IDEA HOW TO ACCEPT GOD,
  • 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.200
  • SO I TURNED ON MY TV.
  • 00:34:22.220 --> 00:34:24.260
  • WE GET THE CHANNEL TBN BUT I DELETED IT FROM MY TV.
  • 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.170
  • I RESCANNED THE CHANNELS AND TURNED IT ON TO TBN,
  • 00:34:28.190 --> 00:34:31.010
  • AND THERE WAS A SHOW ON TBN CALLED PRAISE WITH
  • 00:34:31.030 --> 00:34:35.020
  • MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH.
  • 00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:37.050
  • JUST AS I TURNED IT ON, THEIR GUEST WAS
  • 00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:39.090
  • BRIAN AND BOBBIE HOUSTON. IT WAS ABOUT HILLSONG
  • 00:34:39.110 --> 00:34:42.060
  • OPENING A CHURCH IN ISRAEL.
  • 00:34:42.080 --> 00:34:45.010
  • I DIDN'T PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER YET UNTIL MATT
  • 00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:47.240
  • CROUCH MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HILLSONG MUSIC AND
  • 00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:51.100
  • I ASKED MYSELF, I WONDER IF THE BAND AND THIS
  • 00:34:51.120 --> 00:34:54.120
  • CHURCH ARE CONNECTED.
  • 00:34:54.140 --> 00:34:56.070
  • I'M A LITTLE SLOW AND LIKE I SAID TOTALLY
  • 00:34:56.090 --> 00:34:58.050
  • IGNORANT IN THE THINGS OF GOD AND CHURCH.
  • 00:34:58.070 --> 00:35:00.130
  • I'M GLUED TO THE TV.
  • 00:35:00.150 --> 00:35:03.070
  • TOWARDS THE END OF THE SHOW, MATT CROUCH WAS
  • 00:35:03.090 --> 00:35:05.040
  • TALKING ABOUT BEING SOMEWHERE WITH THE BAND
  • 00:35:05.060 --> 00:35:07.020
  • UNITED WORSHIPPING.
  • 00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:09.020
  • AT THAT MOMENT, I LOST IT.
  • 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:12.090
  • I FELL TO MY KNEES AND JUST ASKED GOD TO SAVE ME.
  • 00:35:12.110 --> 00:35:17.120
  • THREE AND A HALF WEEKS HAS PASSED NOW
  • 00:35:17.140 --> 00:35:18.260
  • AND I HAVEN'T TURNED MY TV FROM TBN.
  • 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.000
  • I WATCH IT ALL DAY.
  • 00:35:21.020 --> 00:35:23.060
  • YOU SEE IT WAS A MATTER OF TWO MINUTES FROM
  • 00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:25.130
  • HEARING THAT SONG AND WATCHING THAT SHOW.
  • 00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:28.050
  • THAT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE. THAT WAS GOD.
  • 00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:31.170
  • WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE DOING, GOD IS BLESSING
  • 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:34.110
  • YOU AND YOUR MINISTRY. YOU SAVED MY LIFE.
  • 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:39.110
  • - 2ND CHANCE MINISTRIES AND CJ WOULD COME IN
  • 00:35:42.220 --> 00:35:44.270
  • AND MINISTER TO YOU.
  • 00:35:44.290 --> 00:35:47.000
  • YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE ON THE SET THAT CAN TELL US
  • 00:35:47.020 --> 00:35:51.010
  • WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR THAT MINISTRY TO HAPPEN
  • 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:55.040
  • WHEN YOU'RE LOCKED UP.
  • 00:35:55.060 --> 00:35:57.210
  • WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE
  • 00:35:57.230 --> 00:36:00.050
  • CHRISTIAN TV CHANNELS AND/OR CHRISTIAN
  • 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:03.140
  • MINISTRIES THAT WOULD COME IN AND TAKE TIME
  • 00:36:03.160 --> 00:36:05.180
  • AND COME VISIT YOU?
  • 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:08.090
  • - SO THAT'S SORT OF TWO SIDED.
  • 00:36:08.110 --> 00:36:10.190
  • I'LL GIVE YOU THE ONE SIDE ON THE TV NETWORK
  • 00:36:10.210 --> 00:36:13.170
  • TBN GOING IN. SO THERE'S TIMES THAT,
  • 00:36:13.190 --> 00:36:17.090
  • THERE'S DIFFERENT STAGES OF PRISON,
  • 00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:19.230
  • DIFFERENT SEASONS. THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE'RE ON
  • 00:36:19.250 --> 00:36:21.130
  • LOCKDOWN 24 HOURS A DAY,
  • 00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.210
  • AND CTF SOLEDAD JUST HAD ONE OF THOSE FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
  • 00:36:23.230 --> 00:36:27.240
  • IN THOSE TIMES, WE GET FULL-ACCESS NON-STOP,
  • 00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:31.210
  • WE'RE JUST GETTING IN THE WORD AND GETTING BUILT UP
  • 00:36:31.230 --> 00:36:35.230
  • AND GETTING ENCOURAGEMENT WHEN OTHERWISE IF WE'RE
  • 00:36:35.250 --> 00:36:38.270
  • ON LOCKDOWN, WE END UP GETTING, GOING AT IT
  • 00:36:38.290 --> 00:36:41.260
  • WITH OUR CELL MATE, GETTING DISCOURAGED,
  • 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.060
  • GETTING FRUSTRATED.
  • 00:36:44.080 --> 00:36:45.290
  • AND JUST IT'S REALLY A HOPELESS SITUATION INSIDE
  • 00:36:46.010 --> 00:36:50.060
  • OF A CELL WITH YOU AND ANOTHER INMATE.
  • 00:36:50.080 --> 00:36:52.230
  • SO THAT WAS SUCH A BLESSING IN SO MANY WAYS
  • 00:36:52.250 --> 00:36:56.040
  • 24 HOURS AROUND THE CLOCK.
  • 00:36:56.060 --> 00:36:57.260
  • THEN EVEN LIKE MYSELF I WAS VERY ACTIVE INVOLVED
  • 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.280
  • IN MINISTRY, INVOLVED IN SCHOOL.
  • 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.070
  • I WORKED INSIDE A PRISON FOR THE ASSOCIATE WARDEN,
  • 00:37:04.090 --> 00:37:07.260
  • SO I WAS VERY ACTIVE, BUT WITH ME I WAS SPECIFIC ON
  • 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.120
  • WHO I'D WATCH AND WHAT TIME I'D WATCH THEM.
  • 00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:14.010
  • IF IT WAS GONNA BE SOMEBODY BEFORE I GOT UP
  • 00:37:14.030 --> 00:37:15.200
  • TO GO TO WORK TO GET BUILT UP AND ENCOURAGED,
  • 00:37:15.220 --> 00:37:18.100
  • OR IF NOT, IF I LIKE SOMEBODY IN THE EVENING,
  • 00:37:18.120 --> 00:37:20.230
  • I'D WAIT TO EVENING AND GET BACK AND CATCH THAT
  • 00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:23.220
  • WHOEVER THAT WAS. SO IT WAS STILL--
  • 00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:27.210
  • - MATT: FEEDING YOU INSIDE. - YES.
  • 00:37:27.230 --> 00:37:30.150
  • - AND THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT MEANT WHAT
  • 00:37:30.170 --> 00:37:34.140
  • TO YOU AT THE TIME?
  • 00:37:34.160 --> 00:37:36.050
  • - IT MEANT EVERYTHING. I MEAN I LOVE TO READ.
  • 00:37:36.070 --> 00:37:38.280
  • MY WIFE ALWAYS GIVES ME A HARD TIME ABOUT HOW MUCH I
  • 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.010
  • LIKE TO READ, AND I LOVE TO READ, BUT EVEN WITH READING,
  • 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:44.110
  • IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE YOU WATCH CERTAIN PEOPLE,
  • 00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:47.120
  • CERTAIN PREACHERS AND PASTORS, BIBLE TEACHERS, IT
  • 00:37:47.140 --> 00:37:51.150
  • DEPEND ON WHAT YOU LIKE.
  • 00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:53.050
  • BUT CERTAIN ONES REALLY FEED YOU, NOT THAT THE WORD OF
  • 00:37:53.070 --> 00:37:56.090
  • GOD ITSELF IS NOT SUFFICIENT, BUT IT'S JUST
  • 00:37:56.110 --> 00:37:59.050
  • SOMETHING ABOUT SOME PRAISE AND WORSHIP AND SOMEBODY
  • 00:37:59.070 --> 00:38:02.120
  • BRINGING THE WORD IN A STYLE AND A VOICE THAT JUST SPEAK
  • 00:38:02.140 --> 00:38:06.290
  • TO YOU PERSONALLY.
  • 00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:08.270
  • THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT TBN, TOO, IS THE DIVERSITY.
  • 00:38:08.290 --> 00:38:13.090
  • - WE WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION ON THE FACT THAT
  • 00:38:13.110 --> 00:38:16.130
  • MINISTRY IS GOING INTO PRISONS 24 HOURS A DAY.
  • 00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:19.170
  • THE SECOND CHANCE CREW AND C.J.
  • 00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:23.070
  • AND THE GUYS ARE GOING IN.
  • 00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:26.060
  • WE'VE COMPLETED NOW SIX OF THESE MAJOR TOURS GOING TO
  • 00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:30.150
  • DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PRISONS JUST OVER THE LAST FEW
  • 00:38:30.170 --> 00:38:32.180
  • MONTHS.
  • 00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:34.270
  • AND SO YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT
  • 00:38:34.290 --> 00:38:38.210
  • WORK TO THE GUYS THAT ARE RECEIVING THE SECOND CHANCE
  • 00:38:38.230 --> 00:38:44.140
  • GROUP INTO THE PRISONS.
  • 00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:46.150
  • - WHAT I LOVE SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS
  • 00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:49.010
  • SORT OF TWO PRONGED.
  • 00:38:49.030 --> 00:38:50.270
  • C.J. IS GOING IN, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO STILL GIVING THE --
  • 00:38:50.290 --> 00:38:54.220
  • - IT'S LIKE THE AIR FORCE AND THE GROUND TROOPS.
  • 00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:57.100
  • - YEAH, THEY'RE GETTING IT FROM BOTH ANGLES.
  • 00:38:57.120 --> 00:39:00.120
  • AND WITH C. J., WHAT
  • 00:39:00.140 --> 00:39:02.140
  • THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED AND CONTINUE TO DO,
  • 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:04.270
  • IT JUST BRINGS FRESH HOPE.
  • 00:39:04.290 --> 00:39:07.060
  • HE COMES IN AND JUST LOVES ON US, BRINGS THE WORD OF
  • 00:39:07.080 --> 00:39:11.000
  • GOD EFFECTIVELY, BRINGS PRAISE AND WORSHIP THAT JUST
  • 00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:14.280
  • KNOCKS YOUR SOCKS OFF.
  • 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.050
  • AND HE JUST BRINGS AN EXPERIENCE THAT, QUITE
  • 00:39:17.070 --> 00:39:21.090
  • FRANKLY, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET ON TV BECAUSE IT'S THAT
  • 00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:24.070
  • PERSONAL TOUCH.
  • 00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:26.120
  • - WE ARE TAKING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO EVERY
  • 00:39:26.140 --> 00:39:29.090
  • PRISON IN AMERICA WITH TBN'S SECOND CHANCE.
  • 00:39:29.110 --> 00:39:32.180
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:39:32.200 --> 00:39:34.270
  • - WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO VISIT PRISONS IN FLORIDA,
  • 00:39:34.290 --> 00:39:38.020
  • GEORGIA, THE CAROLINAS, VIRGINIA, AND THE NORTHEAST
  • 00:39:38.040 --> 00:39:41.170
  • WITH TBN'S SECOND CHANCE' FIRST TOUR.
  • 00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:44.210
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:48.140
  • - IT'S ONE THING TO SEE PEOPLE ON TELEVISION TALKING
  • 00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:50.180
  • ABOUT THE LORD.
  • 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:52.160
  • IT'S ANOTHER THING FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT GOING AND THEN
  • 00:39:52.180 --> 00:39:55.010
  • FOR THEM ALSO TO SEND PEOPLE TO SEE THEM IN-PERSON.
  • 00:39:55.030 --> 00:39:58.040
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:39:58.060 --> 00:40:00.170
  • - UNDER HIS WINGS YOU WILL FIND REFUGE.
  • 00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:04.090
  • - AND JUST SO HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED WITH TBN.
  • 00:40:04.110 --> 00:40:08.040
  • - WE'RE AT THE ALL RED UNIT IN NORTHERN TEXAS.
  • 00:40:08.060 --> 00:40:11.010
  • SPRINGER CORRECTIONAL FACILITY IN NORTHERN NEW
  • 00:40:11.030 --> 00:40:12.250
  • MEXICO.
  • 00:40:12.270 --> 00:40:14.220
  • - THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR, TBN
  • 00:40:14.240 --> 00:40:17.040
  • COMING TO WASCO STATE PRISON.
  • 00:40:17.060 --> 00:40:18.280
  • - GOD IS THERE.
  • 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:20.180
  • HE HAS DETERMINED NOT TO GIVE UP ON US.
  • 00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:22.000
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:40:22.020 --> 00:40:27.170
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:35.050
  • - THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, GUYS, IS TO REMIND
  • 00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:37.070
  • YOU THAT TBN IS JUST NOT SOME TELEVISION NETWORK IN
  • 00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:39.100
  • THE DISTANCE.
  • 00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:42.120
  • THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT YOU.
  • 00:40:42.140 --> 00:40:45.000
  • JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND
  • 00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:46.260
  • FOREVER.
  • 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:52.000
  • - YOU GUY TAKING YOUR TIME HERE TO COME HERE AND BRING JOY.
  • 00:40:52.020 --> 00:40:56.170
  • - YOU GAVE ME BACK MY HUMANITY, THIS PROGRAM IT,
  • 00:40:56.190 --> 00:40:58.050
  • REALLY DOES, MAN.
  • 00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.250
  • - JUST BEING ON THE ROAD IS A JOYFUL THING FOR US.
  • 00:41:04.150 --> 00:41:08.100
  • THAT'S ONE SURE WAY TO KEEP ME SMILING.
  • 00:41:08.120 --> 00:41:10.080
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:41:10.100 --> 00:41:16.150
  • - IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD NIGHT TONIGHT IN ARKANSAS.
  • 00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:21.050
  • IT'S RAINING CATS AND DOGS RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:23.110
  • ENJOY THE SCENERY, ENJOY THE RIDE.
  • 00:41:23.130 --> 00:41:25.140
  • IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME IN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS.
  • 00:41:25.160 --> 00:41:27.160
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:41:27.180 --> 00:41:32.150
  • - WE'RE GOING ON THE BUS TO THE ARCHED PLACE.
  • 00:41:32.170 --> 00:41:34.270
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:39.060
  • - IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
  • 00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:40.160
  • IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
  • 00:41:40.180 --> 00:41:41.290
  • IT WAS VERY FAMILIAL.
  • 00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:43.110
  • IT TURNS INTO A PARTY IS WHAT IT DOES.
  • 00:41:43.130 --> 00:41:45.010
  • - HALLELUJAH.
  • 00:41:45.030 --> 00:41:46.180
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:41:46.200 --> 00:41:49.260
  • - WE ARE IN KANSAS.
  • 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.100
  • THERE IS A MOMENTUM THAT STARTS WITH YOUR TEAM, AND
  • 00:41:51.120 --> 00:41:53.200
  • WHEN YOU GET ON A ROLL, IT'S REALLY, REALLY EASY TO KEEP
  • 00:41:53.220 --> 00:41:56.100
  • THAT MOMENTUM GOING.
  • 00:41:56.120 --> 00:42:00.060
  • - TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THIS NETWORK AND HAVE THEM
  • 00:42:00.080 --> 00:42:03.140
  • ACTUALLY COME IN AND VISIT US, TOO, THAT'S PRETTY
  • 00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:05.220
  • AMAZING.
  • 00:42:05.240 --> 00:42:07.100
  • - I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY WITH THE LADIES.
  • 00:42:07.120 --> 00:42:09.120
  • THIS IS THE FIRST WOMEN'S FACILITY THAT WE'VE DONE ON
  • 00:42:09.140 --> 00:42:11.260
  • THIS TRIP.
  • 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.090
  • - I LIKE SNEAKING PEAKS TO THE SIDE AND SEEING A SISTER
  • 00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:16.040
  • WITH HER HANDS UP AND HER EYES CLOSED.
  • 00:42:16.060 --> 00:42:18.050
  • THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS.
  • 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:19.190
  • [AUDIENCE CHEERING]
  • 00:42:19.210 --> 00:42:23.170
  • - IT JUST BROUGHT LIFE.
  • 00:42:23.190 --> 00:42:24.250
  • IT WAS REALLY A LOT OF FUN.
  • 00:42:24.270 --> 00:42:27.210
  • - OKLAHOMA CITY, WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING TO A SKATE
  • 00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:29.250
  • PARK.
  • 00:42:29.270 --> 00:42:32.070
  • - ARE WE THERE YET?
  • 00:42:32.090 --> 00:42:33.150
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:38.040
  • - WHAT GOD IS DOING IS HE'S GIVING US A LITTLE WINDOW OF
  • 00:42:38.060 --> 00:42:40.220
  • TIME TO BE A PROMINENT VOICE OF CHANGE.
  • 00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:45.000
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:42:45.020 --> 00:42:46.210
  • - ONE PERSON MADE ONE MADE MISTAKE, BUT WHEN GOD IS IN
  • 00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:48.270
  • THE PICTURE, HE CHANGES THEIR LIFE, AND THEY BECOME
  • 00:42:48.290 --> 00:42:50.210
  • A BETTER PERSON.
  • 00:42:50.230 --> 00:42:52.250
  • - IT'S A HUGE, VIBRANT ALIVE CHURCH BEHIND THE
  • 00:42:52.270 --> 00:42:56.120
  • PRISON WALLS.
  • 00:42:56.140 --> 00:42:58.010
  • I AM SO BLESSED THAT I GET TO DO WHAT I LOVE.
  • 00:42:58.030 --> 00:42:59.190
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:42:59.210 --> 00:43:09.210
  • - THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN
  • 00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:11.160
  • AMERICA TODAY IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT STATE-RUN PRISONS,
  • 00:43:11.180 --> 00:43:15.220
  • AND THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S LOCAL, IF IT'S THE
  • 00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:17.260
  • COUNTY, IF IT'S STATE OR THE FEDERAL, IF THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:21.020
  • RUNS IT, IF IT'S A GOVERNMENT-RUN PRISON, YOUR
  • 00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:23.230
  • RECIDIVISM RATE IS ABOUT 68%.
  • 00:43:23.250 --> 00:43:26.230
  • NOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS ONCE A CRIMINAL IS REHABBED AND
  • 00:43:26.250 --> 00:43:30.160
  • HAS SERVED HIS TIME AND RELEASED, ONE THAT PERSON'S
  • 00:43:30.180 --> 00:43:32.180
  • BACK IN SOCIETY, WITHIN THREE YEAR, THEY COMMIT A
  • 00:43:32.200 --> 00:43:35.270
  • CRIME THAT PUTS THEM RIGHT BACK IN JAIL.
  • 00:43:35.290 --> 00:43:38.090
  • SO THAT'S RECIDIVISM.
  • 00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:39.250
  • SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT ABOUT 68%, OR TWO OUT OF
  • 00:43:39.270 --> 00:43:42.220
  • THREE OF THOSE THAT ARE IN JAIL, WITHIN THREE YEARS OF
  • 00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:46.160
  • BEING OUT OF JAIL WILL COMMIT A CRIME THAT PUTS
  • 00:43:46.180 --> 00:43:48.050
  • THEM RIGHT BACK IN JAIL.
  • 00:43:48.070 --> 00:43:50.070
  • OF THAT, ABOUT 29% OF THOSE CRIMES ARE VIOLENT CRIME,
  • 00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:53.200
  • GETTING BACK IN JAIL FOR VIOLENCE.
  • 00:43:53.220 --> 00:43:55.280
  • BUT ABOUT 40% OF THEM ARE BACK IN FOR DRUGS AGAIN.
  • 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.160
  • SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NON-VIOLENT
  • 00:43:59.180 --> 00:44:02.080
  • OFFENDERS COMING BACK IN.
  • 00:44:02.100 --> 00:44:04.120
  • WELL, AS FOLKS TODAY IN THE LEGISLATURE HAVE LOOKED FOR
  • 00:44:04.140 --> 00:44:07.040
  • SOLUTIONS, THEY'VE COME UP WITH SOME OF THE SAME
  • 00:44:07.060 --> 00:44:09.200
  • SOLUTIONS THE FOUNDING FATHERS USED TWO CENTURIES AGO.
  • 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:12.130
  • AND THEY SAID, HOW ABOUT FAITH-BASED PROGRAMS?
  • 00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:14.270
  • AND SO THERE'S ABOUT A DOZEN STATES TODAY THAT DO
  • 00:44:14.290 --> 00:44:18.110
  • FAITH-BASED PRISONS.
  • 00:44:18.130 --> 00:44:19.290
  • IN THOSE PRISONS, YOU STILL DO THE SAME TIME.
  • 00:44:20.010 --> 00:44:22.230
  • IF YOU WERE SENTENCED TO 20 YEARS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO
  • 00:44:22.250 --> 00:44:24.200
  • HAVE 20 YEARS, BUT WHILE YOU'RE THERE, THE CLIMATE IS
  • 00:44:24.220 --> 00:44:26.140
  • VERY DIFFERENT.
  • 00:44:26.160 --> 00:44:28.230
  • YOU GET RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION.
  • 00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:30.120
  • YOU HAVE CHURCHES IN THE PRISONS.
  • 00:44:30.140 --> 00:44:32.060
  • THERE'S A FAMOUS PRISON SYSTEM IN LOUISIANA WHERE
  • 00:44:32.080 --> 00:44:34.200
  • THIS MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON HAS SEVEN MAJOR CHURCHES
  • 00:44:34.220 --> 00:44:38.010
  • INSIDE.
  • 00:44:38.030 --> 00:44:39.240
  • THEY HAVE SEMINARY DEGREES IN TEXAS.
  • 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:42.110
  • THEY'VE SET UP IN SEMINARIES IN THESE FAITH-BASED
  • 00:44:42.130 --> 00:44:43.280
  • PRISONS.
  • 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.160
  • YOU CAN GO THERE AND GET A BIBLE SCHOOL DEGREE.
  • 00:44:45.180 --> 00:44:46.280
  • WHEN YOU GET OUT, YOU HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK AT
  • 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.110
  • LIFE.
  • 00:44:48.130 --> 00:44:49.200
  • YOU GET INVOLVED IN MINISTRY.
  • 00:44:49.220 --> 00:44:51.100
  • AND WHAT THEY FIND IS THAT FOR PRISONERS WHEN GO
  • 00:44:51.120 --> 00:44:52.280
  • THROUGH THEE FAITH-BASED PRISONS, THEIR RECIDIVISM
  • 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.090
  • RATE IS AT 8%.
  • 00:44:56.110 --> 00:44:58.280
  • SO 68% ON THE STATE SIDE.
  • 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.290
  • ON THE FAITH-BASED SIDE, YOU COME OUT WITH A RECIDIVISM
  • 00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:04.070
  • RATE OF ABOUT 8%.
  • 00:45:04.090 --> 00:45:06.050
  • THAT'S 85% BETTER THAN WHAT THE STATE DOES.
  • 00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:08.140
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:16.010
  • - AT 15, THAT'S WHEN I STARTED GETTING LOCKED UP
  • 00:45:16.030 --> 00:45:18.080
  • AND INCARCERATED, AND THIS KEPT GOING ON UNTIL NOW.
  • 00:45:18.100 --> 00:45:20.230
  • DOING THE THING OF THE WORLD, WHAT I SAW MY PEERS
  • 00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:25.210
  • DOING, AND THAT'S WHEN CALAMITY STARTED UPON MY
  • 00:45:25.230 --> 00:45:27.260
  • LIFE.
  • 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:33.150
  • - BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS INTO, THE FRIENDS
  • 00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:35.180
  • I WAS HANGING AROUND WITH, SELLING DRUG AND NOT BEING
  • 00:45:35.200 --> 00:45:38.020
  • WITH MY KID, SMOKING MARIJUANA AND DRINKING.
  • 00:45:38.040 --> 00:45:43.290
  • - I WAS DEALING WITH A LOT OF ANGER, A LOT OF
  • 00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:45.260
  • FRUSTRATION, A LOT OF HURT, AND I WOUND UP GETTING IN A
  • 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.190
  • GANG.
  • 00:45:49.210 --> 00:45:51.150
  • I WOUND UP STEALING.
  • 00:45:51.170 --> 00:45:53.060
  • I WOUND UP ROBBING PEOPLE.
  • 00:45:53.080 --> 00:45:54.230
  • - FAST MONEY, THE WOMEN, THE DRUGS.
  • 00:45:54.250 --> 00:45:58.090
  • BASICALLY I WAS HAVING FUN, AND AT THE TIME, I WAS
  • 00:45:58.110 --> 00:46:01.180
  • HAVING FUN, I WAS DESTROYING MYSELF.
  • 00:46:01.200 --> 00:46:04.070
  • - THE DIFFICULT THING IS NOT BEING WITH YOUR FAMILY,
  • 00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:07.150
  • YOUR KIDS, YOUR LOVED ONES, AND IT'S A DAY-TO-DAY
  • 00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:10.270
  • STRUGGLE.
  • 00:46:10.290 --> 00:46:12.170
  • - IT'S LIKE BEING IN THE LION'S DEN WHERE THERE ARE
  • 00:46:12.190 --> 00:46:14.120
  • SO MANY OBSTACLES AROUND YOU THAT MAKE YOU WANT TO
  • 00:46:14.140 --> 00:46:15.280
  • DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.140
  • - EVERY DAY IT'S A BATTLEFIELD IN THE MIND.
  • 00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:20.050
  • - I'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF DEFEATED ATTITUDE, LOW
  • 00:46:20.070 --> 00:46:23.050
  • SELF-ESTEEM, NO RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.
  • 00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:26.230
  • - WHEN SOMEONE IS INCARCERATED, THEY'RE CUT
  • 00:46:26.250 --> 00:46:29.070
  • OFF FROM SOCIETY.
  • 00:46:29.090 --> 00:46:31.130
  • THEY'RE CUT OFF FROM THEIR FAMILY.
  • 00:46:31.150 --> 00:46:33.060
  • THEY'RE CUT OFF FROM THEIR FRIENDS.
  • 00:46:33.080 --> 00:46:35.060
  • - I HAD A SON THAT WAS BORN WHILE IN HERE.
  • 00:46:35.080 --> 00:46:37.070
  • HE'S GROWING UP WITHOUT ME, AND I'M NEVER GOING TO GET
  • 00:46:37.090 --> 00:46:39.100
  • THAT TIME BACK.
  • 00:46:39.120 --> 00:46:41.000
  • SO I KNEW RIGHT THEN ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.
  • 00:46:41.020 --> 00:46:43.010
  • I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
  • 00:46:43.030 --> 00:46:46.090
  • - THERE'S ABOUT 2.3 MILLION CHILDREN IN AMERICA WHO HAVE
  • 00:46:46.110 --> 00:46:49.240
  • A PARENT IN PRISON.
  • 00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:52.030
  • KEEPING A PARENT IN PRISON, WHAT WE KNOW NOW, IS THAT
  • 00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:54.260
  • 9O% OF THE KID WHO HAVE A PARENT IN PRISON WILL
  • 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.200
  • THEMSELVES END UP IN PRISON.
  • 00:46:58.220 --> 00:47:01.020
  • SO IF YOU CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF PRISON AND GET
  • 00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:05.080
  • THEM TO A PRODUCTIVE LIFE, GET THEM REHABBED, GET THEM
  • 00:47:05.100 --> 00:47:08.190
  • BACK INTO A FAMILY, THE CRIME RATE FOR THE NEXT
  • 00:47:08.210 --> 00:47:11.270
  • GENERATION DROPS, AS WELL.
  • 00:47:11.290 --> 00:47:14.060
  • SO THE MENTALITY WE HAVE NOW THAT CRIME IS A BAD DEAL, WE
  • 00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:18.020
  • DON'T WANT IT, SO WE THROW YOU IN THE JAIL, LOCK YOU
  • 00:47:18.040 --> 00:47:20.230
  • UP, THROW AWAY THE KEY, THAT DOES NOTHING FOR RESTITUTION
  • 00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:26.110
  • IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT DOES NOTHING FOR
  • 00:47:26.130 --> 00:47:28.090
  • REHABILITATION OF THE OFFENDER.
  • 00:47:28.110 --> 00:47:30.040
  • THERE ARE CERTAINLY THOSE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO
  • 00:47:30.060 --> 00:47:32.060
  • RELEASE AGAIN, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT NON-VIOLENT CRIME
  • 00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:34.280
  • AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN THAT WAY, THERE'S A WHOLE GROUP
  • 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.090
  • OF PEOPLE THAT IF WE USED A BIBLICAL VIEW OF THIS THING,
  • 00:47:39.110 --> 00:47:41.160
  • WE COULD REHAB AND MAKE THEM PRODUCTIVE IN SOCIETY AGAIN.
  • 00:47:41.180 --> 00:47:44.190
  • SO THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH
  • 00:47:44.210 --> 00:47:49.000
  • FAITH-BASED PROGRAM FOR THESE GUYS THAT ARE IN JAIL.
  • 00:47:49.020 --> 00:47:51.170
  • IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION, BUT YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE
  • 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:54.260
  • RIGHTS AND WRONGS BECAUSE YOU DO NEED SOCIETAL
  • 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.190
  • JUSTICE.
  • 00:47:56.210 --> 00:47:58.130
  • BUT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, LET'S GET AROUND TO
  • 00:47:58.150 --> 00:48:00.150
  • RESTITUTION AND REHAB WHICH ARE THE OTHER BIBLICAL
  • 00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:02.220
  • ASPECTS OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
  • 00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:04.120
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:48:04.140 --> 00:48:11.090
  • - WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HELPS
  • 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:13.150
  • GET THEM ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
  • 00:48:13.170 --> 00:48:15.260
  • - EVERY SUNDAY MORNING, WE GET UP AND TURN THE CHANNEL
  • 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.230
  • ONTO TBN.
  • 00:48:17.250 --> 00:48:19.220
  • - AND SEEK THE LORD, THE MINISTRIES COME TO US.
  • 00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:24.020
  • - IT'S REALLY INSPIRATIONAL MESSAGES THAT HELP US ON OUR
  • 00:48:24.040 --> 00:48:26.040
  • SPIRITUAL WALK.
  • 00:48:26.060 --> 00:48:28.040
  • I COULDN'T GO A SUNDAY WITHOUT IT, ESPECIALLY FROM
  • 00:48:28.060 --> 00:48:30.040
  • ALL THE ANOINTED PREACHERS.
  • 00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:31.250
  • IT GIVES YOU THE MOTIVATION TO KEEP PUSHING AND KEEP
  • 00:48:31.270 --> 00:48:33.170
  • STRIVING WITH GOD.
  • 00:48:33.190 --> 00:48:35.130
  • - EVEN THE NAME ITSELF, SECOND CHANCE, IS SO
  • 00:48:35.150 --> 00:48:37.240
  • SYMBOLIC BECAUSE IT'S A PHRASE OF REDEMPTION, AND I
  • 00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:40.130
  • THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO QUITE A FEW MEN
  • 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:44.240
  • IN THIS BUILDING, THIS FACILITY, THAT THEY HAVE THE
  • 00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:47.180
  • OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH TBN AND THEIR LIFE TO HELP CHANGE.
  • 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:51.100
  • - WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I WAS FRUSTRATED, AND I WAS
  • 00:48:51.120 --> 00:48:52.290
  • ANGRY.
  • 00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:55.040
  • BUT ONCE I GOT ROOTED IN GOD'S WORD, IT GAVE ME INNER
  • 00:48:55.060 --> 00:48:57.240
  • PEACE, AND WHEN YOU GOT PEACE, IT DON'T MATTER WHAT
  • 00:48:57.260 --> 00:49:01.050
  • THE CIRCUMSTANCE OR THE SITUATION IS YOU GOT GOING
  • 00:49:01.070 --> 00:49:03.110
  • ON AROUND YOU.
  • 00:49:03.130 --> 00:49:04.260
  • AS LONG AS YOU'RE FREE IN THE MIND AND FREE IN THE
  • 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.000
  • HEART, THEN GOD WILL GIVE YOU THE STABILITY YOU NEED
  • 00:49:07.020 --> 00:49:10.000
  • TO GET THROUGH ANY STORM IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:49:10.020 --> 00:49:12.090
  • - GOD HAS DELIVERED ME.
  • 00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:14.010
  • HE SET ME APART, AND HE PUT ME HERE JUST TO DELIVERY.
  • 00:49:14.030 --> 00:49:17.270
  • I DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THIS AN INCARCERATION.
  • 00:49:17.290 --> 00:49:20.270
  • I THINK IT WAS FOR MY DELIVERANCE THAT I'M HERE.
  • 00:49:20.290 --> 00:49:23.250
  • - BELIEVE IN YOUR AND BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU CAN DO
  • 00:49:23.270 --> 00:49:25.290
  • ANYTHING.
  • 00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:27.170
  • - I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO STAY ENCOURAGED, FIND GOD,
  • 00:49:27.190 --> 00:49:30.020
  • BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO
  • 00:49:30.040 --> 00:49:31.290
  • ME IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:33.160
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:49:33.180 --> 00:49:42.130
  • - ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PRISON SYSTEM OF AMERICA
  • 00:49:42.150 --> 00:49:44.080
  • IT IS IT TOOK THE COMMUNITY OUT OF BEING INVOLVED.
  • 00:49:44.100 --> 00:49:46.260
  • IT WAS BEFORE, BEFORE WE HAD THE PRISON SYSTEM, THE
  • 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.180
  • COMMUNITY WAS INVOLVED IN WHAT THE CRIMINAL DID AND
  • 00:49:50.200 --> 00:49:53.290
  • WHAT THE PUNISHMENT WAS AND THE AFTERMATH.
  • 00:49:54.010 --> 00:49:55.290
  • BUT ONCE WE HAD A SYSTEM WHERE WE JUST THREW THEM IN
  • 00:49:56.010 --> 00:49:59.130
  • A JAIL AND SENT THEM AWAY AND THEY'RE OUT OF MIND, OUT
  • 00:49:59.150 --> 00:50:02.090
  • OF SIGHT, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THEM, THE COMMUNITY IS
  • 00:50:02.110 --> 00:50:05.040
  • NO LONGER INVOLVED.
  • 00:50:05.060 --> 00:50:07.120
  • SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WITH THE COMMUNITY NOT BEING
  • 00:50:07.140 --> 00:50:09.110
  • INVOLVED, THEY LOSE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY, OR THEY
  • 00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:11.070
  • GET THE WRONG KINDS OF FRIEND AROUND THEM.
  • 00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:12.280
  • THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT BAD FRIENDS CORRUPT GOOD MORALS.
  • 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.270
  • BAD FRIENDS CREATE BAD BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:50:15.290 --> 00:50:17.190
  • AND SO WHEN FOLKS IN PRISON GET SHUT OFF FROM THE
  • 00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:20.210
  • INFLUENCE OF GOOD FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT MAKES A
  • 00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:23.130
  • HUGE DIFFERENCE ON THEIR BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:25.110
  • SO IF YOU CAN REACH INTO A PRISON AND TAKE THE TIME TO
  • 00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:29.110
  • HELP SOMEONE, TO MENTOR THEM, TO TEACH THEM, HELP
  • 00:50:29.130 --> 00:50:33.130
  • EDUCATE THEM, TO CHANGE THEM SPIRITUALLY, WHEN YOU PUT
  • 00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:36.060
  • THE TIME INTO BROADCASTING GOOD PROGRAMS AND ARE
  • 00:50:36.080 --> 00:50:38.200
  • PROVIDING GOOD CONTENT FOR THEM THAT GIVES THEM A
  • 00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:41.130
  • DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND A DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING,
  • 00:50:41.150 --> 00:50:43.150
  • YOU AFFECT A WHOLE LOT.
  • 00:50:43.170 --> 00:50:45.100
  • NOT ONLY DO YOU AFFECT THEM, BUT BECAUSE RECIDIVISM IS SO
  • 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:48.080
  • HIGH, YOU HAVE NOW SAVED SOMEONE ELSE WHO COULD HAVE
  • 00:50:48.100 --> 00:50:51.030
  • BEEN A VICTIM OF THEM WHEN THEY GOT RELEASED BECAUSE
  • 00:50:51.050 --> 00:50:53.080
  • THEY'LL GO BACK TO THAT BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:50:53.100 --> 00:50:55.100
  • YOU'VE NOW SAVED THE KIDS OF THAT FAMILY WHO WOULD BE THE
  • 00:50:55.120 --> 00:50:58.130
  • NEXT GENERATION COMING UP BECAUSE WHICH KNOW THAT THE
  • 00:50:58.150 --> 00:51:01.080
  • REPEAT OFFENSE OF GENERATION AFTER GENERATION GOES ON.
  • 00:51:01.100 --> 00:51:03.130
  • SO WHEN YOU CAN CHANGE ONE LIFE IN A PRISON, YOU MAY
  • 00:51:03.150 --> 00:51:07.200
  • HAVE CHANGED FIVE, TEN, TWENTY, THIRTY, YOU HAVE NO
  • 00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:10.130
  • CLUE, BECAUSE THAT ONE LIFE IS NOT JUST THAT ONE, IT'S
  • 00:51:10.150 --> 00:51:13.120
  • WHO DOES IS HE OR SHE AFFECT AFTER THEY GET OUT?
  • 00:51:13.140 --> 00:51:16.240
  • WHAT WILL THEY NOT TO THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE?
  • 00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:18.230
  • AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEIR CHILDREN?
  • 00:51:18.250 --> 00:51:20.210
  • AND WHAT MIGHT THEIR CHILDREN HAVE DONE THAT THEY
  • 00:51:20.230 --> 00:51:22.140
  • WILL NOT NOW DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE PARENT AT HOME TO
  • 00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:24.100
  • WORK WITH THEM?
  • 00:51:24.120 --> 00:51:26.020
  • SO THE DOWN RIPPLE EFFECT OF CHANGING A SINGLE LIFE IN
  • 00:51:26.040 --> 00:51:30.210
  • PRISON AND INVESTING INTO THAT IS HUGE CONSEQUENCES
  • 00:51:30.230 --> 00:51:35.090
  • FOR ANY CULTURE, FOR ANY PEOPLE.
  • 00:51:35.110 --> 00:51:38.230
  • - IN 2010, I WAS AT THE GRAMMYS, MY FIRST RECORD,
  • 00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:45.020
  • AND WHEN WE GOT THERE, OUR SEGMENT TOOK PLACE AFTER TO
  • 00:51:45.040 --> 00:51:49.040
  • GO SOME INTERVIEWS.
  • 00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:51.020
  • AND I WENT TO STAND IN LINE TO GET US SOMETHING TO
  • 00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:54.050
  • DRINK, AND THIS BUS PULLED UP.
  • 00:51:54.070 --> 00:51:57.100
  • I DIDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.
  • 00:51:57.120 --> 00:51:59.040
  • THIS GUY HAD WALKED OFF THE BUS AND WOW JUST STARING
  • 00:51:59.060 --> 00:52:03.030
  • LOOKING AT ME.
  • 00:52:03.050 --> 00:52:04.270
  • HE SAID, HEY, I KNOW YOU.
  • 00:52:04.290 --> 00:52:07.000
  • AND I'M THINKING, NO, YOU PROBABLY DON'T.
  • 00:52:07.020 --> 00:52:09.010
  • I'M FROM BEAVER DAM, KENTUCKY, AND I'M
  • 00:52:09.030 --> 00:52:10.290
  • HERE IN LA. AND HE GOES, NO, I KNOW YOU.
  • 00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:13.140
  • HE SAID, WE'RE ON AN OUTING HERE, AND I'M IN REHAB
  • 00:52:13.160 --> 00:52:19.060
  • FACILITY, AND HE SAID, BUT WHEN I WAS IN PRISON, I WAS
  • 00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:22.240
  • WATCHING TBN ONE DAY, AND I SAW YOU SINGING A SONG
  • 00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:27.250
  • CALLED "THROUGH THE FIRE".
  • 00:52:27.270 --> 00:52:30.210
  • HE SAID, IT REALLY BLESSED ME.
  • 00:52:30.230 --> 00:52:32.200
  • NOW, THIS MAN WAS MAYBE CLOSE TO HIS 30'S.
  • 00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:37.110
  • YOU COULD TELL LIFE HAD REALLY TAKEN A TOLL ON HIM,
  • 00:52:37.130 --> 00:52:41.150
  • BUT IN AN INSTANT, THE LORD JUST SPOKE TO ME AND SAID,
  • 00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:44.040
  • YOU NEED TO SPEAK LIFE INTO HIM.
  • 00:52:44.060 --> 00:52:46.030
  • HE'S REALLY THE REASON YOU'RE HERE.
  • 00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:49.070
  • IT WAS FOR THAT MAN THAT WAS IN PRISON, THAT WATCHED US
  • 00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:53.010
  • ON TBN AND HEARD A SONG CALLED "THROUGH THE FIRE",
  • 00:52:53.030 --> 00:52:57.270
  • AND I GET TO SHARE WITH HIM, AND I GET TO TELL HIM THAT
  • 00:52:57.290 --> 00:53:01.040
  • YOU LOVE HIM AND THAT YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING IN STORE FOR
  • 00:53:01.060 --> 00:53:03.210
  • HIM.
  • 00:53:03.230 --> 00:53:05.220
  • SECOND CHANCE MINISTRIES, YOU'RE DOING AN INCREDIBLE
  • 00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:07.030
  • JOB.
  • 00:53:07.050 --> 00:53:08.230
  • THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT DO YOU.
  • 00:53:08.250 --> 00:53:10.160
  • THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE LOVE OF JESUS, AND I'M ALL
  • 00:53:10.180 --> 00:53:13.010
  • ABOUT SECOND CHANCES.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - THANK YOU, TBN, PARTNERS FOR WHAT YOU DO TO HELP MAKE
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  • THIS MINISTRY POSSIBLE.
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  • HALF THE PRISONS OF THE UNITED STATES, WE'RE WORKING
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  • ON EXPANDING THAT.
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  • - THANK YOU FOR GOING.
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  • - YOU'RE GETTING TO SEE A LOT OF THEM, AND WE'RE GOING
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  • TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS, AND IT'S A MAJOR EMPHASIS OF
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  • WHAT TBN DOES AROUND TO VISIT THOSE IN PRISON.
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  • - THOSE HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE TBN SECOND CHANCE
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  • MINISTRY, I WOULD SAY THANK YOU.
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  • - IN GETTING US THE TBN NETWORK, WE REALLY
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  • APPRECIATE IT HERE IN THE PRISONS.
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  • IT MEANS THE WORLD TO US BECAUSE IT BRINGS SOME LIGHT
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  • INTO THE DARKNESS.
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  • - THEY'RE SO GRATEFUL.
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  • WE JUST GET SO MANY EYES FULL OF TEARS AND JUST
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  • SAYING, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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  • TO THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE, THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE WHO
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  • INSTALL, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEHIND THIS WHOLE THING
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  • BECAUSE WE GET TO HAVE THAT LIFE-GIVING WORSHIP, THE
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  • LIFE-GIVING MESSAGES.
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  • - FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE PART OF TBN'S SECOND CHANCE,
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  • I WANT TO SAY THAT, FOR ME AS AN INMATE AND A FUTURE
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  • FREE PERSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF CONTRIBUTING
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  • TO MY FREEDOM, TO MY HEALING, AND TO MY FUTURE.
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  • THANK YOU.
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  • - ALL THE BROTHERS HERE TODAY WOULD LIKE TO SAY A
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  • BIG THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT SUPPORT TBN, THOSE THAT HELP
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  • US INSTALL THE FACILITIES, THE SATELLITE EQUIPMENT,
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  • DISHES.
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  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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  • - HAVING THE TBN NETWORK MAKE ME FEEL THE LOVE OF
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  • GOD.
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  • - BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE THAT GIVES ME HOPE.
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  • - SO IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU, OUR SWEET PARTNERS, THAT
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  • BELIEVE IN THIS MINISTRY AND BELIEVE THAT THAT'S VITAL,
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  • SO VITAL, TO CHANGE OUR WORLD.
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  • - LET'S GO INTO THE OTHER HALF OF THE UNITED STATES
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  • WITH SATELLITE DISHES AND INTO ALL THE PRISONS.
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  • WE WANT TO DO THAT.
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  • YOUR GIFTS OF SUPPORT, THERE'S AN ADDRESS ON YOUR
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  • SCREEN, THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER YOU CAN CALL RIGHT
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  • NOW, AND LET'S KEEP GOING, BUBBA.
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  • - LET'S DO IT.
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  • - SO PROUD OF YOU, I LOVE YOU.
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  • LOVE YOU PRISONERS WATCHING.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU.
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  • THERE'S HOPE, THERE'S JOY, THERE'S PEACE, THERE'S MORE
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  • THAN YOU KNOW RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
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  • YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO WALK IN VICTORY AND
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  • FREEDOM RIGHT THERE.
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  • YOU GET INTO THIS WORD.
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  • THIS IS YOUR ABSOLUTE ROCK RIGHT HERE.
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  • - AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE WATCHING INSIDE, DON'T LET
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  • THE PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE MAKE YOU FEEL.
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  • WE ALL NEED A SECOND CHANCE, AND SOME JUST DIDN'T GET
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  • CAUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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  • THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE ON THE OUTSIDE
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  • AND ON THE INSIDE.
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  • SO SECOND CHANCE IS WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS.
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  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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  • - LOVE YOU. - THANKS GUYS.
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