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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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  • "PRAISE," FROM LOS ANGELES, CEO
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  • OF OLIVE TREE MEDIA AND
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  • AWARD-WINNING TELEVISION
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  • PRODUCERS, KARL AND JANE FAASE.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW
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  • TOM NEWMAN.
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  • - TOM NEWMAN: WELCOME TO
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  • TONIGHT'S VERSION OF "PRAISE."
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  • WE ARE SO EXCITED.
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  • WE HAVE VERY SPECIAL GUESTS ALL
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  • THE WAY FROM AUSTRALIA, KARL
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  • AND JANE FAASE, AND BEFORE WE GO
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  • RIGHT TO THEM, I WANNA SHOW YOU
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  • THIS INTRO ALL ABOUT THEM.
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  • HERE WE GO.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: KARL FAASE
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  • IS CEO OF OLIVE TREE MEDIA,
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  • WHICH PRODUCES PROGRAMS FOR
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  • CHRISTIAN MEDIA AND THE LOCAL
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  • CHURCH.
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  • KARL IS KNOWN ACROSS AUSTRALIA
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  • AS A SPEAKER WITH A SPECIAL
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  • INTEREST IN ENCOURAGEMENT AND
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  • MOTIVATION, LEADERSHIP, MINISTRY
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  • DEVELOPMENT, AND FAITH
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  • EXPLORATION.
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  • WITH MORE THAN 20 YEARS OF
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  • INVOLVEMENT IN MEDIA, KARL IS
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  • ONE OF AUSTRALIA'S MOST SEASONED
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  • CHRISTIAN RADIO AND TELEVISION
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  • PRESENTERS.
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  • HIS PROGRAMS ARE BROADCAST AND
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  • DISTRIBUTED IN THE USA, UK,
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  • CANADA, FRANCE, GERMANY, AND
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  • NEW ZEALAND.
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  • JANE IS THE CREATIVE DIRECTOR OF
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  • OLIVE TREE MEDIA AND THE
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  • PRODUCER OF "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER" AND "TOWARDS BELIEF."
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  • JANE'S ALSO SKILLED IN PROJECT
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  • MANAGEMENT, PHOTOGRAPHY, AND
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  • GRAPHIC DESIGN.
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  • SHE AND KARL ARE COMMITTED TO
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  • PRESENTING THE GOSPEL WITH
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  • BEAUTY, CREATIVITY, AND
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  • HIGH-QUALITY PRODUCTION, AND
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  • THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SEEING
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  • LIVES TRANSFORMED.
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  • - KARL FAASE: HE WANTS TO COME
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  • INTO YOUR HEART AND YOUR LIFE
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  • AND CHANGE YOUR FUTURE.
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  • WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU MIGHT GO ON
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  • TO DO?
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  • SO IT STARTS WITH YOU.
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  • - ANNOUNCER: KARL AND JANE
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  • - TOM: KARL AND JANE, WELCOME
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  • BACK TO "PRAISE."
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  • SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
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  • SEASON TWO,
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  • IS NOW IN THE CAN, RIGHT?
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  • - KARL: IT IS, AND IT'S LOOKIN'
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  • ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
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  • WE COVERED MUCH OF THE WORLD TO
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  • GET IT TOGETHER, AND IT'S DONE,
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  • AND IT'S LOOKING WONDERFUL.
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  • WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE PEOPLE OF
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  • TBN TO WATCH THIS SERIES.
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  • - TOM: GREAT.
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  • LISTEN, "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER"
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  • SAYS A LOT IN THE TITLE.
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  • WHY THAT TITLE, KARL?
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  • - KARL: IT'S REALLY THIS SENSE
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  • OF RELIGION BEING SEEN AS ALL
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  • "HERE'S THIS THING THAT
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  • YOU DO PERSONALLY.
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  • THIS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY
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  • TO KNOW JESUS PERSONALLY.
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  • HE'S YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY,"
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  • WHICH IS ALL TRUE.
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  • WE KNOW THAT, AND IT'S
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  • INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT
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  • WE TEND TO MISS IS THAT JESUS
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  • CHANGED THE GAME, NOT JUST
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  • PERSONALLY, BUT JESUS CHANGED
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  • THE GAME OF OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR
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  • SOCIETIES, AND OUR WORLD.
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  • THE WORLD IS A DIFFERENT PLACE
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  • BECAUSE OF THE PERSON OF JESUS,
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  • AND THAT'S A STORY WE
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  • NEED TO TELL.
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  • - TOM: I REMEMBER GOING BACK TO
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  • DALLAS ABOUT A YEAR
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  • AND A HALF AGO.
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  • JANE, YOU CAME.
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  • KARL WAS TOO BUSY.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • HE DIDN'T COME, BUT YOU CAME,
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  • AND WE SAT DOWN, AND WE MET WITH
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  • MATT, AND WE BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER."
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  • YOU ALREADY HAD SERIES
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  • ONE IN THE CAN.
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  • WE WATCHED IT, AND WHEN WE SAT
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  • BACKSTAGE OR BEHIND THAT
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  • CURTAIN, I REMEMBER YOU STARTED
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  • TALKING ABOUT WHY THERE NEEDED
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  • TO BE MORE.
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  • WOULD YOU JUST RELIVE A LITTLE
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  • BIT OF THAT CONVERSATION?
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  • JANE, YOU REMEMBER IT?
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  • BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER"
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  • CHANGING WHOLE INSTITUTIONS AND
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  • WHOLE THINGS, YOU BEGIN TO TALK
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  • ABOUT HOW THIS COULD GO ON AND
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  • ON, AND WE JUST SAID,
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  • "THIS IS REALLY A FRANCHISE."
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  • SO, HERE WE ARE IN SEASON TWO,
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  • AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT
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  • THE SPECIAL LOCATIONS AND STUFF
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  • YOU WENT TO,
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  • BUT, JANE, TALK TO US ABOUT THE
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  • EXPANDED VERSION OF "JESUS THE
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  • GAME CHANGER" AND WHY THERE'S NO
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  • END IN SIGHT.
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  • - JANE FAASE: WELL, THAT'S
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  • I MEAN, JESUS REALLY CHANGED
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  • THE GAME AS FAR AS HIS LIFE
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  • AND TEACHING.
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  • HE JUST CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY
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  • OF OUR LIVES FROM THAT TIME WHEN
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  • HE LIVED ON EARTH.
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  • HE DEMONSTRATED HEALING AND CARE
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  • FOR THOSE THAT HAD NOTHING.
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  • IT WAS REVOLUTIONARY THEN.
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  • AND SO OUR NEXT SEASON-- I DON'T
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  • WANNA, YOU KNOW, SPILL THE-- TOO
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  • MANY-- GIVE TOO MUCH AWAY.
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  • - TOM: YEAH, YOU LET US KNOW.
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  • YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • KARL'S ALREADY GONNA BE IN
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  • TROUBLE BECAUSE HE'S GONNA
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  • TELL--
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  • - KARL: I TELL 'EM EVERYTHING.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - JANE: SO THE THEME OF SEASON
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  • TWO IS "TO THE ENDS OF THE
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  • EARTH," SO HOW DID THAT MESSAGE
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  • OF JESUS GET TO WHERE WE ARE
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  • TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND BEYOND?
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  • AND SO WE LOOK AT THE WAY THE
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  • TEACHING OF JESUS IMPACTED THE
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  • FIRST DISCIPLES, AND THEN THOSE
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  • THAT THEY THEN MINISTERED TO,
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  • AND HOW IT BECAME A MISSIONARY
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  • MOVEMENT THAT HAS SPREAD ALL
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  • OVER THE WORLD.
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  • - TOM: SO, KARL, WHY IS IT,
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  • WHEN YOU KNOW JESUS AND HAVE AN
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  • ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS, WHY DO YOU
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  • WANNA PASS IT ON?
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  • - KARL: WELL, I MEAN, THIS
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  • COMES DOWN TO A PARTICULAR
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  • STORY, AND LET ME JUST TELL THE
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  • VIEWERS ABOUT A STORY,
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  • AND WITHOUT GETTING IN TROUBLE
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  • WITH MY WIFE ABOUT GIVING
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  • AWAY THE SEASON--
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • -- I MEAN, ONE OF THE STORIES
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  • THAT WE TELL IS ABOUT A GUY
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  • CALLED JOE TURNER.
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  • DON'T MISS THIS STORY.
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  • SO JOE TURNER IS A YOUNG GUY.
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  • HE'S GROWING UP IN BELFAST,
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  • IN NORTHERN IRELAND.
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  • THERE'S THE TROUBLES GOING ON,
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  • AND HE BECOMES A
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  • HE'S A REALLY SERIOUS GUY THAT
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  • ENDS UP IN JAIL ON NUMEROUS
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  • OCCASIONS, ACTING AS A TERRORIST
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  • IN NORTHERN IRELAND.
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  • AND WE INTERVIEWED JOE TO FIND
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  • OUT HIS STORY, AND JOE,
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  • AT 14, TALKED ABOUT THE FACT
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  • THAT HE WAS RECRUITED INTO THIS
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  • TERRORIST ORGANIZATION,
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  • AND HE'S RECRUITED BECAUSE--
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  • I SAID, "WHAT WAS IT LIKE?"
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  • HE SAID,
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  • "OH, I WAS JUST ANGRY,
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  • AND I WAS ANGRY AND I WANTED
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  • TO BE SOMEBODY.
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  • I JUST-- I WAS DESPERATE TO BE
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  • SOMEBODY, AND THESE GUYS IN THE
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  • COMMUNITY, THEY WERE SOMEBODY.
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  • I WANTED TO BE LIKE
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  • STORY GOES ON FOR YEARS.
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  • HE GETS INVOLVED IN ALL SORTS OF
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  • TERRIBLE ACTIONS THAT HE'S NOW
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  • ASHAMED OF, ENDS UP IN JAIL,
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  • ENDS UP IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
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  • ENDS UP IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
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  • FOR MONTHS, AND AS HE'S IN
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  • SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, HE STARTS
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  • AND HE STARTS TO FEEL JESUS
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  • INFLUENCE HIS LIFE, AND HE
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  • ACTUALLY SAYS, HE SAID, "OKAY,
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  • JESUS, I KNOW YOU WANNA DO
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  • SOMETHING WITH ME, BUT, YOU
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  • KNOW, NOW IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.
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  • I'VE GOT SCORES TO SETTLE.
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  • I'VE GOTTA GET A JOB.
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  • JUST LET ME DEAL WITH THIS."
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  • AND HE MET JESUS IN JAIL.
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  • AT THIS POINT, HE WEPT, HE
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  • OPENED HIS LIFE TO JESUS.
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  • HE GAVE-- HE WAS JUST CHANGED
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  • RADICALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT'S
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  • IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS SERIES,
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  • THAT JESUS CHANGES LIVES, AND
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  • YOU KNOW WHAT JOE DOES NOW?
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  • JOE IS A MINISTER IN A CHURCH IN
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  • EAST BELFAST.
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  • HIS LIFE IS NOT RADICALLY
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  • CHANGED THAT HE STOPPED BEING A
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  • TERRORIST.
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  • HE'S NOW IN EAST BELFAST, AND
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  • HE'S SEEKING TO BRING OTHER
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  • ONE OF THE LAST QUESTIONS I
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  • ASKED JOE, I SAID, "SO, JOE,
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  • WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE?"
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  • AND JOE ANSWERED IN TWO WAYS.
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  • HE SAID, "SO I WANNA SEE HEAVEN
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  • TOUCH EARTH.
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  • I WANNA SEE REVIVAL IN
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  • MY COMMUNITY."
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  • AND HE'S GLASSING UP A LITTLE
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  • AS HE TALKS ABOUT HIS HEART,
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  • THAT THE RADICAL CHANGE THAT
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  • HE FOUND, DISCOVERED,
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  • HE WANTS TO SEE IN THIS
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  • COMMUNITY THAT WAS WRACKED BY
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  • DIVISION AND VIOLENCE AND DEATH.
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  • AND HERE'S THE HEART OF JESUS,
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  • YOU KNOW, HE WRAPS IT UP BY
  • 00:06:55.030 --> 00:06:57.110
  • SAYING THIS:
  • 00:06:57.110 --> 00:06:57.280
  • "YOU KNOW, I GREW UP WANTIN'
  • 00:06:57.280 --> 00:06:59.110
  • TO BE A SOMEBODY,
  • 00:06:59.110 --> 00:07:01.040
  • AND I REALIZED THAT,
  • 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:02.220
  • IF IT WAS ONLY ME,
  • 00:07:02.220 --> 00:07:03.280
  • JESUS WOULD'VE COME TO EARTH
  • 00:07:03.280 --> 00:07:04.290
  • JUST FOR ME, AND THAT MAKES
  • 00:07:04.290 --> 00:07:07.080
  • ME A SOMEBODY."
  • 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.240
  • WHO WOULDN'T WANNA KNOW THAT?
  • 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.140
  • WHO WOULDN'T WANNA
  • 00:07:12.140 --> 00:07:13.120
  • EXPERIENCE THAT?
  • 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.030
  • AND, TOM, WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:07:14.030 --> 00:07:15.280
  • AS POSSIBLE TO HEAR STORIES LIKE
  • 00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:17.030
  • THAT AND EXPERIENCE THE
  • 00:07:17.030 --> 00:07:19.220
  • DIFFERENCE THAT JESUS MAKES.
  • 00:07:19.220 --> 00:07:21.110
  • - TOM: KARL, HOW-- AND JANE,
  • 00:07:21.110 --> 00:07:22.210
  • HOW DO YOU SELECT-- I MEAN,
  • 00:07:22.210 --> 00:07:24.200
  • YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE WORLD.
  • 00:07:24.200 --> 00:07:26.130
  • THE THEME, AGAIN, JANE, WAS--
  • 00:07:26.130 --> 00:07:28.020
  • - JANE: "TO THE ENDS OF THE
  • 00:07:28.020 --> 00:07:29.020
  • EARTH."
  • 00:07:29.020 --> 00:07:29.200
  • - TOM: "TO THE ENDS OF
  • 00:07:29.200 --> 00:07:31.010
  • THE EARTH."
  • 00:07:31.010 --> 00:07:31.180
  • SO HERE WE ARE TO THE
  • 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:32.050
  • ENDS OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:07:32.050 --> 00:07:32.200
  • THAT'S HOW WE'RE SHARING TO THE
  • 00:07:32.200 --> 00:07:33.240
  • ENDS OF THE EARTH, HOW THE
  • 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:34.130
  • GOSPEL GOES OUT, SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:34.130 --> 00:07:35.130
  • THAT'S KIND OF OUR THEME AS WE
  • 00:07:35.130 --> 00:07:36.210
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY "HOW DID
  • 00:07:40.110 --> 00:07:41.190
  • THE GOSPEL GET TO THE DIFFERENT
  • 00:07:41.190 --> 00:07:42.250
  • PLACES IN THE WORLD?"
  • 00:07:42.250 --> 00:07:43.120
  • SO WE'RE CALLING OUR MOVE IN
  • 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.010
  • 2020, "THE STATE OF FAITH."
  • 00:07:45.010 --> 00:07:46.210
  • WE'RE BASICALLY SHARING HOW THE
  • 00:07:46.210 --> 00:07:48.060
  • GOSPEL GOT TO THAT PART OF THE
  • 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:50.210
  • WORLD AND WHAT IS THE POSITION
  • 00:07:50.210 --> 00:07:51.120
  • OF THE GOSPEL RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.200
  • GOOD, BAD, OR UGLY, WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:07:53.200 --> 00:07:54.200
  • TELL IT ALL IN 2020.
  • 00:07:54.200 --> 00:07:56.270
  • IT'S GETTIN 'READY TO START UP,
  • 00:07:56.270 --> 00:07:58.030
  • SO "THE STATE OF FAITH,"
  • 00:07:58.030 --> 00:07:58.250
  • COMING SOON.
  • 00:07:58.250 --> 00:08:01.140
  • BUT "TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH,"
  • 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:02.170
  • THAT'S ALL-- THE EARTH IS A LOT
  • 00:08:02.170 --> 00:08:04.120
  • OF TERRITORY.
  • 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.110
  • HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU COME TO
  • 00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:08.100
  • SELECT THE STORIES THAT YOU WENT
  • 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.130
  • WHAT WAS THE MAIN CRITERIA?
  • 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:16.080
  • - KARL: WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A
  • 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:17.140
  • MIX, TOM.
  • 00:08:17.140 --> 00:08:18.000
  • IT'S A MIX BETWEEN HISTORICAL
  • 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.040
  • FIGURES AND LOCAL FIGURES.
  • 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.100
  • WE JUST TALKED ABOUT JOE TURNER.
  • 00:08:21.100 --> 00:08:23.020
  • HE'S FROM BELFAST.
  • 00:08:23.020 --> 00:08:25.020
  • ONE OF THE HISTORICAL FIGURES
  • 00:08:25.020 --> 00:08:25.250
  • THAT WE WANTED TO TELL BECAUSE
  • 00:08:25.250 --> 00:08:27.160
  • IT'S SUCH A GREAT STORY IS
  • 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.210
  • ACTUALLY, SAINT PATRICK
  • 00:08:29.210 --> 00:08:30.090
  • FROM IRELAND.
  • 00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:30.250
  • NOW, EVERYTHING'S ALMOST--
  • 00:08:30.250 --> 00:08:31.240
  • SAINT PATRICK'S ALMOST A JOKE,
  • 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.250
  • AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL A STORY
  • 00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:35.030
  • 'CAUSE IT'LL TAKE TOO LONG, BUT
  • 00:08:35.030 --> 00:08:36.080
  • THE SAINT PATRICK STORY IS
  • 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:37.040
  • ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE.
  • 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:38.180
  • HE WASN'T IRISH.
  • 00:08:38.180 --> 00:08:39.070
  • HE WAS ENGLISH.
  • 00:08:39.070 --> 00:08:40.080
  • HE WAS ACTUALLY A CHILD.
  • 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:41.280
  • HE WAS STOLEN AS A SLAVE AND
  • 00:08:41.280 --> 00:08:44.150
  • TAKEN TO IRELAND AND
  • 00:08:44.150 --> 00:08:46.020
  • ACTED AS A SLAVE.
  • 00:08:46.020 --> 00:08:46.170
  • I'M TELLING THE STORY--
  • 00:08:46.170 --> 00:08:47.050
  • I TOLD YA.
  • 00:08:47.050 --> 00:08:47.160
  • I SAID I WOULD.
  • 00:08:47.160 --> 00:08:48.030
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:08:48.030 --> 00:08:48.200
  • AND THEN LATER IN HIS LIFE, GOES
  • 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.020
  • BACK TO IRELAND, TO THIS PAGAN
  • 00:08:50.020 --> 00:08:51.170
  • NATION THAT HELD HIM AS A SLAVE,
  • 00:08:51.170 --> 00:08:53.070
  • AND BRINGS THE GOSPEL MESSAGE TO
  • 00:08:53.070 --> 00:08:54.010
  • THOSE PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:54.010 --> 00:08:56.000
  • RADICALLY CHANGED IRELAND.
  • 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.160
  • CHANGED THE WORLD.
  • 00:08:58.160 --> 00:08:59.220
  • AND THE SAD THING ABOUT
  • 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:01.170
  • SAINT PATRICK IS WE KIND OF GO,
  • 00:09:01.170 --> 00:09:03.040
  • "OH, SAINT PATRICK."
  • 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:03.220
  • YOU KNOW, "SAINT PATRICK'S DAY,
  • 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:04.140
  • 17TH OF MARCH,
  • 00:09:04.140 --> 00:09:04.270
  • IT'S A BIG JOKE."
  • 00:09:04.270 --> 00:09:05.120
  • THIS WAS A SERIOUS
  • 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:06.110
  • FOLLOWER OF JESUS.
  • 00:09:06.110 --> 00:09:08.290
  • - TOM: SO, WAIT, I THOUGHT
  • 00:09:08.290 --> 00:09:10.020
  • SAINT PATRICK'S WAS
  • 00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:10.250
  • ABOUT GREEN BEER.
  • 00:09:10.250 --> 00:09:12.200
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:13.040
  • - JANE: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:13.230
  • - TOM: SO IT'S ABOUT
  • 00:09:13.230 --> 00:09:14.100
  • A REAL SAINT?
  • 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:15.090
  • - KARL: OH, TOTALLY,
  • 00:09:15.090 --> 00:09:15.260
  • ABSOLUTELY, A REAL PERSON, A
  • 00:09:15.260 --> 00:09:16.270
  • REAL SAINT, YEAH.
  • 00:09:16.270 --> 00:09:17.250
  • - TOM: I KNEW THAT, OF COURSE.
  • 00:09:17.250 --> 00:09:19.040
  • SO HOW DO WE GO FROM THAT TO
  • 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:20.080
  • GREEN BEER?
  • 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.010
  • - KARL: WELL, I THINK, LIKE,
  • 00:09:22.010 --> 00:09:23.040
  • YOU KNOW, PATRICK WAS A GAME
  • 00:09:23.040 --> 00:09:25.220
  • CHANGER IN IRELAND, AND HE
  • 00:09:26.290 --> 00:09:29.290
  • MOVED FROM A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:09:29.290 --> 00:09:30.210
  • MINISTER GAME CHANGER TO A KIND
  • 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.240
  • OF HISTORICAL FIGURE THAT WE
  • 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.100
  • STILL WANT TO SAY HE'S A GOOD
  • 00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:37.010
  • GUY, BUT WE ALMOST DRAGGED THE
  • 00:09:37.010 --> 00:09:39.000
  • RELIGIOUS NATURE OUT OF
  • 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.190
  • WHAT HE SAYS,
  • 00:09:40.190 --> 00:09:41.210
  • WHICH IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
  • 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:43.260
  • JANE, TALK ABOUT THE GIRLS.
  • 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:45.000
  • - JANE: WELL, I WAS ABOUT TO
  • 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.080
  • JUST SAY, JUST ON OUR THEME OF
  • 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:47.270
  • "TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH," SO
  • 00:09:47.270 --> 00:09:49.230
  • ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS WAS
  • 00:09:49.230 --> 00:09:50.200
  • WE ASKED EACH GUEST, "SO WHERE'S
  • 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.140
  • 'THE ENDS OF THE EARTH' FOR
  • 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:53.240
  • AND IT WAS SUCH AN EYE OPENER
  • 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:57.200
  • BECAUSE WE HAD SOME GUESTS
  • 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:58.160
  • SAYING, "WELL, IT'S ACROSS
  • 00:09:58.160 --> 00:10:00.170
  • THE STREET.
  • 00:10:00.170 --> 00:10:01.280
  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE IN LONDON,
  • 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:03.280
  • AND IT'S NOW MULTICULTURAL, AND
  • 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:05.090
  • WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ENDS
  • 00:10:05.090 --> 00:10:06.040
  • OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:10:06.040 --> 00:10:07.000
  • 'THE ENDS OF THE EARTH' HAVE
  • 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:07.250
  • COME TO LONDON."
  • 00:10:07.250 --> 00:10:09.080
  • YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'D TALK
  • 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:10.120
  • TO ANOTHER GUEST,
  • 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:11.110
  • AND THEY'D SAY,
  • 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:12.130
  • IT'S THE NEXT GENERATION, AND SO
  • 00:10:14.250 --> 00:10:15.170
  • WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SHARING
  • 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:18.210
  • THE GOSPEL WITH THE
  • 00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:19.080
  • NEXT GENERATION.
  • 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:19.220
  • THAT'S 'THE ENDS OF THE EARTH.'"
  • 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:20.200
  • WE HAD SOMEONE ELSE SAY,
  • 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:21.200
  • "IT'S ACROSS THE TABLE.
  • 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:22.260
  • IT'S TO YOUR FAMILY."
  • 00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:23.280
  • AND WE HAD ANOTHER GUEST
  • 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:25.240
  • SAY THAT-- YOU KNOW, LIKE,
  • 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.110
  • HE'S WORKING IN THE UNIVERSITY
  • 00:10:27.110 --> 00:10:28.260
  • IN A FACULTY WHERE IT'S REALLY
  • 00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:30.020
  • HARD TO BE A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:10:30.020 --> 00:10:31.250
  • AND HE SAID, "YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:33.100
  • IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S
  • 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:34.050
  • ACROSS THE CORRIDOR.
  • 00:10:34.050 --> 00:10:35.030
  • IT'S TO THE NEXT FACULTY ACROSS
  • 00:10:35.030 --> 00:10:36.030
  • THE CORRIDOR."
  • 00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:37.120
  • AND IT WAS AMAZING 'CAUSE
  • 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.160
  • IT JUST REDEFINED WHAT
  • 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:40.090
  • "TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH" IS.
  • 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:42.020
  • - TOM: WOW, THE DIVERSITY
  • 00:10:42.020 --> 00:10:42.210
  • OF THAT.
  • 00:10:42.210 --> 00:10:43.010
  • - JANE: WE KNOW THERE'S NO NEED
  • 00:10:43.010 --> 00:10:44.100
  • TO, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY GET IN A
  • 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.060
  • PLANE AND TRAVEL TO THESE
  • 00:10:46.060 --> 00:10:47.110
  • FAR-FLUNG CORNERS, BUT WITH
  • 00:10:47.110 --> 00:10:49.000
  • MIGRATION, WITH--
  • 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:50.180
  • - TOM: BUT YOU DID.
  • 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:51.110
  • - JANE: WELL, WE DID.
  • 00:10:51.110 --> 00:10:52.090
  • YES, WE DID.
  • 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:52.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:53.130
  • - TOM: WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:10:53.130 --> 00:10:55.060
  • - JANE: AND WE GOT SOME GREAT
  • 00:10:55.060 --> 00:10:55.290
  • STORIES, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE,
  • 00:10:55.290 --> 00:10:56.200
  • THE WORLD IS COMING TO US AS
  • 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.140
  • WELL, AND WE NEED TO NOT JUST TO
  • 00:10:57.140 --> 00:10:58.070
  • GO OUT, BUT FOR EVERYONE,
  • 00:10:58.070 --> 00:11:01.070
  • "THE ENDS OF THE EARTH"
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.060
  • IS RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.
  • 00:11:02.060 --> 00:11:02.260
  • - TOM: SO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH
  • 00:11:02.260 --> 00:11:03.210
  • IS REACHABLE FOR EACH OF US IN
  • 00:11:03.210 --> 00:11:04.120
  • OUR OWN WAY?
  • 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:05.170
  • - JANE: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH, AND
  • 00:11:05.170 --> 00:11:06.120
  • THAT WAS SUCH A FANTASTIC WAY,
  • 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:07.200
  • AND WE INTERCUT THOSE AND
  • 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.270
  • TOLD THOSE STORIES
  • 00:11:09.270 --> 00:11:12.030
  • THROUGHOUT THE SERIES.
  • 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:14.110
  • IT'S VERY INSPIRING.
  • 00:11:14.110 --> 00:11:14.270
  • - KARL: TAKE HERE, IN AMERICA,
  • 00:11:14.270 --> 00:11:15.270
  • IN NEW YORK,
  • 00:11:15.270 --> 00:11:17.030
  • APPARENTLY THE MOST
  • 00:11:17.030 --> 00:11:18.010
  • ETHNICALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY
  • 00:11:18.010 --> 00:11:19.250
  • DIVERSE CITY ANYWHERE IN THE
  • 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:21.060
  • WORLD, 800 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES
  • 00:11:21.060 --> 00:11:22.220
  • IN THAT 8.6 MILLION PEOPLE.
  • 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:27.100
  • SO WE HAD TO GO-- AS JANE'S
  • 00:11:27.100 --> 00:11:28.290
  • SAYING, WE HAD TO GO TO THE ENDS
  • 00:11:28.290 --> 00:11:30.150
  • OF THE EARTH TO TAKE THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:11:30.150 --> 00:11:31.160
  • "THE ENDS OF THE EARTH" HAVE
  • 00:11:31.160 --> 00:11:32.220
  • COME TO US, AND THE OTHER
  • 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:34.070
  • REMARKABLE THING IS YOU FIND
  • 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:36.000
  • THAT WE TEND TO THINK ABOUT--
  • 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.120
  • AND THIS IS A BIG SHIFT.
  • 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.150
  • WE TEND TO THINK ABOUT "WE IN
  • 00:11:41.150 --> 00:11:43.120
  • THE WEST ARE GONNA GO TO OTHER
  • 00:11:43.130 --> 00:11:46.130
  • PARTS OF THE WORLD TO TAKE THE
  • 00:11:46.130 --> 00:11:48.010
  • GOSPEL," BUT GUESS WHAT HAPPENS
  • 00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:49.130
  • WHEN YOU TALK TO AFRICANS?
  • 00:11:49.130 --> 00:11:50.160
  • AFRICAN LEADERS ARE SAYING, "WE
  • 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:52.080
  • LOOK AT THE WEST,
  • 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:53.000
  • AND WE SAY THAT THE CHURCH IS
  • 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:56.200
  • STRUGGLING, AND NOW IT'S OUR
  • 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.190
  • TURN," AND NOW THE
  • 00:11:57.190 --> 00:11:59.070
  • SECOND-LARGEST SENDING PLACE IN
  • 00:11:59.070 --> 00:12:01.060
  • THE WORLD OF MISSIONARIES IS
  • 00:12:01.070 --> 00:12:04.070
  • KOREA, SOUTH KOREA.
  • 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:05.230
  • ONE OF THE OTHERS IS AFRICA, AND
  • 00:12:05.230 --> 00:12:07.270
  • AFRICAN CHRISTIANS ARE NOW,
  • 00:12:07.270 --> 00:12:09.150
  • ACROSS THE GLOBE, TAKIN' THE
  • 00:12:09.150 --> 00:12:10.290
  • GOSPEL MESSAGE, THE MISSIONARY
  • 00:12:10.290 --> 00:12:12.130
  • MESSAGE, TO THE ENDS OF THE
  • 00:12:12.130 --> 00:12:13.140
  • EARTH.
  • 00:12:13.140 --> 00:12:14.210
  • SO IT USED TO BE FROM, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:14.210 --> 00:12:16.040
  • WEST TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT NOW
  • 00:12:16.040 --> 00:12:19.010
  • IT'S POLYCENTRIC, A VERY COOL
  • 00:12:19.010 --> 00:12:20.180
  • WORD WHICH MEANS, "IT'S FROM
  • 00:12:20.180 --> 00:12:22.030
  • EVERYWHERE TO EVERYWHERE."
  • 00:12:22.030 --> 00:12:23.030
  • ISN'T THAT GREAT?
  • 00:12:23.030 --> 00:12:23.260
  • WONDERFUL CHANGE.
  • 00:12:23.260 --> 00:12:25.120
  • - TOM: MY GUESTS TONIGHT ARE
  • 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:26.100
  • KARL AND JANE FAASE.
  • 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:28.010
  • THEY'RE THE AUTHORS, THE
  • 00:12:28.010 --> 00:12:30.030
  • CREATORS, THE PRODUCERS,
  • 00:12:30.030 --> 00:12:31.100
  • AND THE TALENT BEHIND
  • 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:32.140
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:12:32.140 --> 00:12:34.060
  • WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER
  • 00:12:34.060 --> 00:12:35.170
  • SEASON TWO.
  • 00:12:35.170 --> 00:12:36.260
  • PRAYERFULLY, YOU HAVE SEEN SOME
  • 00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:38.000
  • OF THE EPISODES THIS LAST YEAR
  • 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:39.250
  • ON TBN.
  • 00:12:39.250 --> 00:12:40.210
  • WE'RE GOING TO ENTER A SECOND
  • 00:12:40.210 --> 00:12:42.020
  • SEASON COMING RIGHT UP HERE IN
  • 00:12:42.020 --> 00:12:43.020
  • SEPTEMBER.
  • 00:12:43.020 --> 00:12:44.000
  • LET ME SHOW YOU THIS RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.100
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:55.100
  • - KARL: HI, KARL FAASE HERE AND
  • 00:12:55.100 --> 00:12:57.100
  • COMING TO YOU FROM LALIBELA IN
  • 00:12:57.100 --> 00:12:58.010
  • ETHIOPIA.
  • 00:12:58.010 --> 00:12:59.210
  • I WANNA TELL YOU ABOUT THE
  • 00:12:59.210 --> 00:13:00.160
  • PRODUCTION OF "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:01.240
  • CHANGER," SERIES TWO.
  • 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.270
  • YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FILMING
  • 00:13:02.270 --> 00:13:04.220
  • THIS IN ENGLAND, IN SCOTLAND AND
  • 00:13:05.050 --> 00:13:08.050
  • IRELAND, IN GERMANY.
  • 00:13:08.050 --> 00:13:09.110
  • WE'VE GONE TO THE U.S., TO TEN
  • 00:13:09.110 --> 00:13:10.050
  • CITIES IN THE U.S.
  • 00:13:10.050 --> 00:13:12.070
  • WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN HONG KONG,
  • 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:13.090
  • SEOUL, KOREA, AND IN JAPAN, AND,
  • 00:13:13.090 --> 00:13:15.030
  • YET THIS, OF ALL THOSE PLACES,
  • 00:13:15.030 --> 00:13:17.130
  • IS THE MOST SPECTACULAR.
  • 00:13:17.130 --> 00:13:19.030
  • WE HAPPENED TO HAVE TURNED UP
  • 00:13:19.030 --> 00:13:19.250
  • HERE ON GOOD FRIDAY IN ETHIOPIA.
  • 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:21.270
  • THIS IS THEIR GOOD FRIDAY
  • 00:13:21.270 --> 00:13:23.010
  • CELEBRATION AT THE STONE
  • 00:13:23.010 --> 00:13:24.200
  • CHURCHES OF ETHIOPIA IN
  • 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.140
  • LALIBELA.
  • 00:13:27.140 --> 00:13:28.290
  • THESE WERE HEWN BY HAND OUT OF
  • 00:13:28.290 --> 00:13:30.270
  • THE ROCK 800 YEARS AGO.
  • 00:13:30.270 --> 00:13:31.270
  • WE'RE COLLECTING WONDERFUL
  • 00:13:31.270 --> 00:13:33.150
  • MATERIAL FOR "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:13:33.150 --> 00:13:35.120
  • CHANGER," SERIES TWO.
  • 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.150
  • IT'LL BE AVAILABLE ON TBN
  • 00:13:37.150 --> 00:13:38.110
  • EXCLUSIVELY FROM SEPTEMBER THIS
  • 00:13:38.110 --> 00:13:40.030
  • YEAR, THEN STREAMED AFTER THAT
  • 00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:41.090
  • OR AVAILABLE TO BE BOUGHT ON
  • 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:42.130
  • DVD.
  • 00:13:42.130 --> 00:13:44.170
  • DON'T MISS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO
  • 00:13:44.170 --> 00:13:46.150
  • SEE "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
  • 00:13:46.150 --> 00:13:47.230
  • - TOM: "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:13:51.270 --> 00:13:52.190
  • CHANGER," SEASON TWO, COMING THE
  • 00:13:52.190 --> 00:13:54.160
  • SECOND WEEK IN SEPTEMBER.
  • 00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:56.130
  • THE INFORMATION IS ON THE BOTTOM
  • 00:13:56.130 --> 00:13:57.280
  • OF YOUR SCREEN, THE TIME THAT
  • 00:13:57.280 --> 00:13:59.100
  • YOU CAN TUNE IN AND WATCH IT.
  • 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:00.250
  • YOU DON'T WANNA MISS THIS.
  • 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:02.150
  • SEASON TWO IS BETTER THAN SEASON
  • 00:14:02.150 --> 00:14:04.180
  • ONE.
  • 00:14:04.180 --> 00:14:06.290
  • TELL ME WHY.
  • 00:14:06.290 --> 00:14:07.180
  • - KARL: WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A
  • 00:14:07.180 --> 00:14:10.010
  • BIT LIKE ASKING, "WHICH OF YOUR
  • 00:14:10.010 --> 00:14:11.090
  • TWO CHILDREN DO YOU LOVE THE
  • 00:14:11.090 --> 00:14:11.290
  • MOST?"
  • 00:14:11.290 --> 00:14:12.130
  • BUT, LOOK, THIS IS BEAUTIFUL IN
  • 00:14:14.180 --> 00:14:16.190
  • THE SENSE OF JUST WHAT THE
  • 00:14:16.190 --> 00:14:17.250
  • VIEWERS HAVE JUST WATCHED THERE
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:18.250
  • IN LALIBELA, THAT FOOTAGE.
  • 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:20.220
  • I MEAN, THAT WAS STUNNING, AND
  • 00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:22.140
  • WE'RE ACROSS MANY MORE PARTS OF
  • 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:24.150
  • THE WORLD THIS TIME AND GAINED
  • 00:14:24.150 --> 00:14:26.120
  • SOME, JUST, BEAUTIFUL FOOTAGE
  • 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.230
  • FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.
  • 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:29.280
  • THAT SHOT AT LALIBELA, THAT WAS
  • 00:14:29.280 --> 00:14:32.060
  • A GIFT FROM GOD INTO OUR SERIES,
  • 00:14:32.060 --> 00:14:33.110
  • TOM.
  • 00:14:33.110 --> 00:14:35.130
  • AND THEN WE WANTED TO GO-- WE
  • 00:14:38.020 --> 00:14:38.260
  • WERE FLYING TO AFRICA THE NEXT
  • 00:14:38.260 --> 00:14:40.060
  • WEEK, AND WE WANTED TO BE--
  • 00:14:40.060 --> 00:14:41.080
  • JANE, BEING THE PRODUCER, WAS
  • 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:42.290
  • ARRANGING ALL THIS.
  • 00:14:42.290 --> 00:14:44.080
  • WE WANTED TO BE IN LALIBELA,
  • 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.090
  • WHICH IS IN THE NORTH PART OF
  • 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:47.290
  • ETHIOPIA, THE NEXT WEEKEND, AND
  • 00:14:47.290 --> 00:14:50.100
  • WE WANTED TO FILM ON SUNDAY
  • 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:51.280
  • AROUND THESE STONE
  • 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:54.230
  • CHURCHES IN LALIBELA.
  • 00:14:54.230 --> 00:14:55.100
  • WELL, IT TURNS OUT THAT THE
  • 00:14:55.100 --> 00:14:56.160
  • ORTHODOX EASTER IS ONE WEEK
  • 00:14:56.160 --> 00:14:58.090
  • AFTER OUR EASTER.
  • 00:14:58.090 --> 00:15:00.050
  • WE ARRIVE IN LALIBELA ON
  • 00:15:00.050 --> 00:15:03.020
  • GOOD FRIDAY.
  • 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:03.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:04.250
  • - TOM: I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GOT TO
  • 00:15:04.250 --> 00:15:05.170
  • PLAY WITH EASTER AND
  • 00:15:05.170 --> 00:15:06.180
  • GOOD FRIDAY.
  • 00:15:06.180 --> 00:15:07.030
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:07.030 --> 00:15:07.280
  • I THOUGHT THEY WERE KIND OF
  • 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:08.180
  • STANDARD DATES ON THE CALENDAR.
  • 00:15:08.180 --> 00:15:09.150
  • - JANE: IT WAS ALL SET BY
  • 00:15:09.150 --> 00:15:11.010
  • THE MOON.
  • 00:15:11.010 --> 00:15:11.220
  • - TOM: DID HE RISE A COUPLE OF
  • 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:12.140
  • TIMES, OR IS THAT A ONE-TIME
  • 00:15:12.140 --> 00:15:13.040
  • DEAL?
  • 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:13.130
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:13.280
  • - KARL: WELL, WE JUST KIND OF--
  • 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:15.070
  • THE WEST AND EAST HAVE KIND OF
  • 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:16.280
  • CHOSEN DIFFERENT DATES, AND IN
  • 00:15:16.280 --> 00:15:17.190
  • LALIBELA, 98% OF THE PEOPLE IN
  • 00:15:17.190 --> 00:15:18.120
  • LALIBELA ARE CHRISTIAN, AND
  • 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.090
  • THOSE STONE CHURCHES-- THERE ARE
  • 00:15:21.090 --> 00:15:23.200
  • TEN DIFFERENT STONE CHURCHES.
  • 00:15:23.260 --> 00:15:26.260
  • THEY'RE ALL USED EVERY WEEK, AND
  • 00:15:26.260 --> 00:15:28.150
  • ON EASTER, EVERYBODY TURNS UP,
  • 00:15:28.150 --> 00:15:30.090
  • AND ON EASTER, IT WAS JUST THE
  • 00:15:30.090 --> 00:15:32.010
  • MOST REMARKABLE EXPERIENCE,
  • 00:15:32.010 --> 00:15:33.210
  • WASN'T IT?
  • 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:34.270
  • - JANE: MM, YEAH.
  • 00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:35.120
  • - TOM: SO, TELL ME, WHAT ARE
  • 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.120
  • THOSE STONE CHURCHES?
  • 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:37.250
  • HOW OLD ARE THOSE?
  • 00:15:37.250 --> 00:15:39.060
  • WHAT'S THE HISTORY BEHIND THOSE?
  • 00:15:39.060 --> 00:15:40.230
  • - JANE: WELL, I THINK THEY'RE
  • 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:41.280
  • 14TH CENTURY, AREN'T THEY?
  • 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:42.270
  • - KARL: WELL, SLIGHTLY EARLIER
  • 00:15:42.270 --> 00:15:43.290
  • THAN THAT.
  • 00:15:43.290 --> 00:15:44.130
  • IT'S ALWAYS DANGEROUS TO
  • 00:15:44.130 --> 00:15:45.250
  • DISAGREE WITH YOUR WIFE.
  • 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:46.130
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:47.140
  • THEY'RE 12TH CENTURY, 11TH,
  • 00:15:47.140 --> 00:15:48.100
  • 12TH CENTURY.
  • 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:49.020
  • LALIBELA WAS THE KING, KING
  • 00:15:49.020 --> 00:15:51.020
  • LALIBELA, AND THE ORTHODOX
  • 00:15:51.070 --> 00:15:54.070
  • CHURCH IN ETHIOPIA GOES BACK TO
  • 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:55.230
  • THE THIRD AND FOURTH CENTURY,
  • 00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:56.260
  • AND THEY USED TO GO TO JERUSALEM
  • 00:15:56.260 --> 00:15:59.010
  • FOR PILGRIMAGES, AND LALIBELA
  • 00:15:59.010 --> 00:16:00.200
  • WANTED THEM-- THE KING WANTED
  • 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.170
  • THEM NOT TO GO TO THE
  • 00:16:02.170 --> 00:16:04.020
  • PILGRIMAGE, SO HE DECIDES TO
  • 00:16:04.020 --> 00:16:05.040
  • BUILD CHURCHES, BUT RATHER THAN
  • 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:06.200
  • BUILD A STRUCTURE, HE GOES TO
  • 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.020
  • THESE SIDES OF MOUNTAINS AND
  • 00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:10.120
  • DIGS DOWN INTO SOLID STONE AND
  • 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.260
  • THEN CREATES A CHURCH IN THE
  • 00:16:12.260 --> 00:16:15.190
  • MIDDLE OF IT, SO WHEN YOU SEE
  • 00:16:15.190 --> 00:16:16.230
  • THE SERIES-- DON'T MISS THE
  • 00:16:16.230 --> 00:16:18.080
  • SERIES-- YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE
  • 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.180
  • STRUCTURES, AND THERE'S NOT ONE
  • 00:16:19.180 --> 00:16:21.100
  • PIECE IS CONSTRUCTED.
  • 00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:23.040
  • IT'S ALL DUG OUT OF THE STONE,
  • 00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:25.060
  • AND THESE MAGNIFICENT BUILDINGS
  • 00:16:25.060 --> 00:16:27.230
  • THAT MUST'VE TAKEN FOREVER TO
  • 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:29.220
  • BUILD-- AND THEY STILL GATHER
  • 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:32.000
  • THERE EVERY YEAR.
  • 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.050
  • - TOM: THEY'RE STILL
  • 00:16:34.050 --> 00:16:36.000
  • PRACTICAL-- CHURCH?
  • 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:36.190
  • - JANE: THEY ARE, YEAH, THEY'RE
  • 00:16:36.190 --> 00:16:37.200
  • PLACES OF WORSHIP EVERY SUNDAY.
  • 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.030
  • - KARL: YUP, AND SO ON EASTER,
  • 00:16:39.030 --> 00:16:40.170
  • EASTER GOOD FRIDAY-- THE TWO
  • 00:16:40.170 --> 00:16:42.050
  • BIGGEST OF THE YEAR ARE
  • 00:16:42.050 --> 00:16:43.270
  • CHRISTMAS DAY AND EASTER GOOD
  • 00:16:43.270 --> 00:16:45.150
  • FRIDAY, AND AT THE BEGINNING OF
  • 00:16:45.150 --> 00:16:46.260
  • THAT EARLIER SHOT, YOU SAW THE
  • 00:16:46.260 --> 00:16:48.020
  • SHOT GOING OVER THIS MASSIVE
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:49.110
  • MARKET.
  • 00:16:49.110 --> 00:16:51.010
  • THERE WAS PROBABLY, LIKE,
  • 00:16:51.010 --> 00:16:51.210
  • 70.000 PEOPLE.
  • 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:53.090
  • WHAT WE DISCOVERED, WHICH IS--
  • 00:16:53.090 --> 00:16:54.040
  • MIGHT BE A DISCONCERTING FOR
  • 00:16:54.040 --> 00:16:56.140
  • SOME OF OUR VIEWERS, THAT MARKET
  • 00:16:56.140 --> 00:16:58.200
  • IS SELLING-- MUCH OF WHAT THEY
  • 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.120
  • WERE SELLING WAS ACTUALLY GOATS,
  • 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:01.260
  • SHEEP, CATTLE, ALL FOR
  • 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:05.230
  • EASTER SUNDAY.
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:06.150
  • ON EASTER SUNDAY, THEY'VE
  • 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:07.190
  • HAD A FAST--
  • 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:09.110
  • - JANE: LUNCH.
  • 00:17:09.110 --> 00:17:09.250
  • - KARL: -- AND EASTER SUNDAY
  • 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:10.160
  • LUNCH--
  • 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:10.290
  • - JANE: YEAH, FOR THEIR--
  • 00:17:10.290 --> 00:17:11.250
  • BREAK THEIR FAST.
  • 00:17:11.250 --> 00:17:13.050
  • - TOM: -- BIG FEAST.
  • 00:17:13.050 --> 00:17:14.080
  • - KARL: YEAH, SO ON EASTER
  • 00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:16.000
  • FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, WE HEARD
  • 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.110
  • ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, BLEATING OF
  • 00:17:17.110 --> 00:17:19.090
  • GOATS AROUND, AND IT WAS LOVELY.
  • 00:17:19.090 --> 00:17:20.080
  • IT WAS REALLY LOVELY.
  • 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:20.250
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:17:20.250 --> 00:17:21.060
  • - KARL: BY THE TIME WE GOT TO
  • 00:17:24.010 --> 00:17:24.280
  • SATURDAY NIGHT AND REALIZED WHAT
  • 00:17:24.280 --> 00:17:25.290
  • WAS HAPPENING, THE BLEATING WAS
  • 00:17:25.290 --> 00:17:26.210
  • A LITTLE OMINOUS.
  • 00:17:26.210 --> 00:17:27.240
  • BUT, LOOK, HONESTLY, IT WAS JUST
  • 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.040
  • THE MOST SPECTACULAR THING, AND
  • 00:17:30.040 --> 00:17:31.150
  • THAT WAS JUST A UNIQUE AND
  • 00:17:31.150 --> 00:17:32.140
  • SPECIAL MOMENT TO BE THERE FOR
  • 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:34.290
  • THAT AND TO FILM IT.
  • 00:17:34.290 --> 00:17:36.000
  • - JANE: AND, REALLY, THAT'S
  • 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.150
  • GOD'S HAND IN PRODUCTION,
  • 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:38.060
  • ISN'T IT?
  • 00:17:38.060 --> 00:17:39.110
  • BECAUSE THOSE DATES WERE BOOKED
  • 00:17:39.110 --> 00:17:41.000
  • SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE, AND WE
  • 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.150
  • HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT WAS
  • 00:17:42.150 --> 00:17:44.020
  • ORTHODOX EASTER--
  • 00:17:44.020 --> 00:17:46.210
  • - TOM: HOW BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:17:46.210 --> 00:17:47.080
  • - JANE: -- AND THE PLAN WAS
  • 00:17:47.080 --> 00:17:48.070
  • THAT WE'D TURN UP ON A FRIDAY,
  • 00:17:48.070 --> 00:17:48.280
  • THAT WE'D DO OUR, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:49.060 --> 00:17:52.060
  • CHECKING OUT THE SITES
  • 00:17:52.060 --> 00:17:52.250
  • ON A SATURDAY,
  • 00:17:52.250 --> 00:17:53.200
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEAUTIFULLY
  • 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:56.190
  • DRESSED IN WHITE WOULD COME TO
  • 00:17:56.190 --> 00:17:57.270
  • THEIR PLACE OF WORSHIP, AND
  • 00:17:57.270 --> 00:17:59.000
  • LITTLE DID WE KNOW, WE FLEW IN
  • 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.230
  • THERE FRIDAY MORNING, AND THAT
  • 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:02.220
  • FRIDAY AFTERNOON IS GOOD FRIDAY,
  • 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:04.100
  • AND THOUSANDS OF THESE
  • 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:07.040
  • WORSHIPERS ARE COMING TO THE
  • 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.160
  • SITE TO WORSHIP GOD.
  • 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.020
  • IT WAS AMAZING, YEAH.
  • 00:18:12.020 --> 00:18:12.190
  • - TOM: NOW, YOU SHOT IN HOW
  • 00:18:12.190 --> 00:18:14.220
  • MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THIS
  • 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:15.130
  • TIME?
  • 00:18:15.130 --> 00:18:16.180
  • - JANE: WELL, WE WERE IN 24
  • 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:18.250
  • CITIES.
  • 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:19.250
  • - TOM: TWENTY-FOUR CITIES,
  • 00:18:19.250 --> 00:18:20.240
  • OKAY.
  • 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.100
  • - JANE: YEAH, YEAH--
  • 00:18:21.100 --> 00:18:21.270
  • - KARL: AT LEAST 60--
  • 00:18:21.270 --> 00:18:22.140
  • - JANE: -- AND OVER 60 FILMING
  • 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:23.170
  • LOCATIONS.
  • 00:18:23.170 --> 00:18:24.120
  • - KARL: SIXTY?
  • 00:18:24.120 --> 00:18:24.260
  • AND I THINK WE WERE ON 32
  • 00:18:27.150 --> 00:18:28.040
  • FLIGHTS, AND WE WERE AWAY 72
  • 00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:30.170
  • DAYS OUT OF THE FIRST HUNDRED OF
  • 00:18:30.170 --> 00:18:32.200
  • THIS YEAR, SO IT WAS AN
  • 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.030
  • INTENSE SCHEDULE.
  • 00:18:34.030 --> 00:18:36.010
  • - TOM: SO YOU SHOT EARLY.
  • 00:18:36.010 --> 00:18:37.030
  • NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WINTER.
  • 00:18:40.010 --> 00:18:40.210
  • IT WAS PERHAPS NOT THE MOST
  • 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:41.130
  • SENSIBLE TIME.
  • 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:43.000
  • - KARL: IN FACT, WE WERE IN
  • 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:44.010
  • MINNESOTA AND SOUTH DAKOTA IN
  • 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:44.260
  • FIRST WEEK OF MARCH.
  • 00:18:44.260 --> 00:18:46.030
  • WE'RE FROM AUSTRALIA.
  • 00:18:46.030 --> 00:18:48.060
  • WE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH SNOW,
  • 00:18:48.060 --> 00:18:48.270
  • EVER, ANYWHERE.
  • 00:18:48.270 --> 00:18:50.150
  • - TOM: YOU GOT TO SEE
  • 00:18:50.150 --> 00:18:51.020
  • SOMETHING.
  • 00:18:51.020 --> 00:18:51.290
  • YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A REALLY BIG
  • 00:18:51.290 --> 00:18:53.090
  • WINTER THIS YEAR TOO WITH A LOT
  • 00:18:53.090 --> 00:18:54.020
  • OF-- LOT MORE SNOW THAN USUAL.
  • 00:18:54.020 --> 00:18:55.090
  • OKAY, SO WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING
  • 00:18:55.090 --> 00:18:58.000
  • TOGETHER SEASON TWO, YOU HAD TO
  • 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.000
  • SELECT THE STORIES.
  • 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.290
  • YOU HAD TO SELECT THE LOCATIONS,
  • 00:19:02.290 --> 00:19:04.130
  • SO THERE HAS TO BE AN ORDER TO
  • 00:19:04.130 --> 00:19:06.220
  • IT.
  • 00:19:06.220 --> 00:19:07.070
  • YOU'RE SEEN TO BE THE PRODUCER,
  • 00:19:07.070 --> 00:19:09.260
  • THE COORDINATOR OF ALL THESE
  • 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.030
  • THINGS, WHAT MADE LOGICAL SENSE
  • 00:19:11.030 --> 00:19:12.070
  • TO BE THE LEAST DISTANCE BETWEEN
  • 00:19:12.070 --> 00:19:14.070
  • THE NEXT LOCATIONS AND TO PUT
  • 00:19:14.070 --> 00:19:15.090
  • THAT TOGETHER.
  • 00:19:15.090 --> 00:19:15.230
  • SO HERE WE GO INTO SEASON TWO,
  • 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:18.050
  • SO FIRST PLACE YOU WENT WAS
  • 00:19:18.050 --> 00:19:20.210
  • WHERE?
  • 00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:22.110
  • - JANE: WE WENT TO IRELAND,
  • 00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:23.260
  • NORTHERN IRELAND, AND WE FILMED
  • 00:19:23.260 --> 00:19:25.120
  • THE STORY OF SAINT PATRICK,
  • 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:28.200
  • WHICH WE MENTIONED EARLIER, AND,
  • 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.030
  • JUST, THE STORY OF IRELAND AND
  • 00:19:30.120 --> 00:19:33.120
  • SAINT PATRICK IS PRETTY
  • 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:34.260
  • INCREDIBLE, AND WHERE THEY JUST
  • 00:19:34.260 --> 00:19:36.120
  • REALLY NURTURED CHRISTIAN FAITH
  • 00:19:37.230 --> 00:19:40.230
  • THERE AND SPREAD IT INTO ENGLAND
  • 00:19:40.230 --> 00:19:43.220
  • AND THEN INTO EUROPE--
  • 00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:45.120
  • GREAT STORY.
  • 00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:48.280
  • - TOM: YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
  • 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.180
  • BEAUTIFUL THINGS YOU TALKED
  • 00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:50.220
  • EARLIER WAS WE TALKED ABOUT HOW,
  • 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:51.140
  • WHEN THE AFRICANS WATCH THE WEST
  • 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:52.250
  • NOW, THEY FEEL LIKE MAYBE THE
  • 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:54.150
  • CHURCH NEEDS SOME HELP OVER
  • 00:19:54.150 --> 00:19:56.050
  • HERE, THAT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:19:56.050 --> 00:19:57.060
  • OF REVIVAL-- INTERESTING THING.
  • 00:19:57.060 --> 00:19:58.190
  • SO YOU GO TO IRELAND, AND THERE,
  • 00:19:58.190 --> 00:20:00.260
  • WHERE SAINT PATRICK HAD THIS
  • 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:03.170
  • IMPACT, AND THEN THAT SPREAD
  • 00:20:03.170 --> 00:20:05.090
  • INTO THE UK AND AROUND AT THE
  • 00:20:05.090 --> 00:20:07.020
  • TIME.
  • 00:20:07.020 --> 00:20:08.160
  • SO THERE WAS REVIVAL.
  • 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.170
  • THERE WAS A GREAT FOLLOWING, A
  • 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:12.040
  • GREAT OUTPOURING OF GOD'S SPIRIT
  • 00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:13.130
  • AND A GREAT FOLLOWING OF CHRIST
  • 00:20:13.130 --> 00:20:15.010
  • FOR SEASONS OF YEARS.
  • 00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:16.130
  • SO NOW YOU GO BACK AND YOU TELL
  • 00:20:16.130 --> 00:20:18.060
  • THAT STORY, AND THEN YOU'RE
  • 00:20:18.060 --> 00:20:19.200
  • TALKING TO AFRICANS AND TALKING
  • 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.250
  • ABOUT NOW GOING BACK THERE TO
  • 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:22.210
  • REINVIGORATE THEIR FAITH.
  • 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:24.130
  • IS THAT KIND OF WHAT--
  • 00:20:24.130 --> 00:20:25.180
  • - KARL: VERY INTERESTING.
  • 00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:26.290
  • ANOTHER STORY OUT OF IRELAND,
  • 00:20:26.290 --> 00:20:28.040
  • WE'RE IN BELFAST, AND BEFORE WE
  • 00:20:28.040 --> 00:20:29.180
  • FILMED-- AND I MEET A PASTOR OF
  • 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:31.010
  • AN ELIM CHURCH IN BELFAST, A
  • 00:20:31.010 --> 00:20:33.130
  • PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, AND HE TALKS
  • 00:20:33.130 --> 00:20:35.100
  • ABOUT THE CHURCH OF PENTECOST IN
  • 00:20:35.100 --> 00:20:37.140
  • GHANA, AND HE SAYS TO ME, "YOU
  • 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:39.160
  • KNOW, THE GUY THAT STARTED THE
  • 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:40.240
  • CHURCH OF PENTECOST IN GHANA IS
  • 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.030
  • BURIED JUST AN HOUR UP THE ROAD,
  • 00:20:42.030 --> 00:20:44.080
  • AND HIS NAME IS JAMES MCKEOWN.
  • 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:45.230
  • NOW, IT'S A PERSON THAT NOBODY
  • 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:48.110
  • WATCHING THIS WOULD'VE EVER
  • 00:20:48.110 --> 00:20:49.080
  • HEARD OF.
  • 00:20:49.080 --> 00:20:49.280
  • HE COMES FROM AN ERA OUT
  • 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:52.090
  • OF IRELAND.
  • 00:20:52.090 --> 00:20:52.290
  • IN 1938, BECAUSE OF THE POWER OF
  • 00:20:52.290 --> 00:20:54.160
  • GOD IN HIS LIFE, HIM AND HIS
  • 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.110
  • WIFE DECIDE THAT GOD HAS CALLED
  • 00:20:57.110 --> 00:20:59.290
  • THEM TO GO TO GHANA, TO ACCRA IN
  • 00:20:59.290 --> 00:21:02.190
  • GHANA, SO THEY GO TO GHANA.
  • 00:21:02.190 --> 00:21:04.080
  • HE STARTS A CHURCH.
  • 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:05.090
  • IN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO,
  • 00:21:05.090 --> 00:21:07.020
  • THERE'S ABOUT 200 PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:21:07.020 --> 00:21:08.090
  • GATHER.
  • 00:21:08.090 --> 00:21:09.010
  • THAT'S HOW MANY THEY HAD.
  • 00:21:09.010 --> 00:21:09.260
  • HE RUNS THIS CHURCH AND HANDS
  • 00:21:09.260 --> 00:21:11.110
  • THE CHURCH OVER TO THE GHANESE
  • 00:21:11.110 --> 00:21:13.000
  • LEADERSHIP.
  • 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.260
  • IN ABOUT 1983 OR '84, THERE ARE
  • 00:21:14.260 --> 00:21:17.020
  • 100.000 PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:20.190
  • NOW, THAT'S IMPRESSIVE, BUT JUST
  • 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:22.120
  • HOLD YOUR HAT.
  • 00:21:22.120 --> 00:21:23.140
  • NOW IN GHANA, THE CHURCH OF
  • 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:25.060
  • PENTECOST IN GHANA, 3.2 MILLION
  • 00:21:25.060 --> 00:21:26.130
  • PEOPLE, 20.000 CONGREGATIONS IN
  • 00:21:26.130 --> 00:21:28.220
  • OVER A HUNDRED COUNTRIES.
  • 00:21:28.230 --> 00:21:31.230
  • - TOM: FROM 1983?
  • 00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:33.070
  • - KARL: YEAH, BETWEEN NOW-- AND
  • 00:21:33.070 --> 00:21:35.030
  • THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE CHURCH
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.180
  • NOW AND ALL BECAUSE ONE GUY IN
  • 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:39.130
  • THE BACK BLOCKS OF IRELAND,
  • 00:21:39.130 --> 00:21:41.190
  • HEARS THE CALL OF GOD AND
  • 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:43.020
  • DECIDES TO GO TO GHANA.
  • 00:21:43.020 --> 00:21:45.100
  • NOW THAT CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF
  • 00:21:45.100 --> 00:21:46.280
  • PENTECOST, GUESS WHAT THEY'RE
  • 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:48.030
  • DOING?
  • 00:21:48.030 --> 00:21:48.190
  • THEY'RE SENDING MISSIONARIES TO
  • 00:21:48.190 --> 00:21:49.280
  • ENGLAND, TO EUROPE, TO IRELAND--
  • 00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:51.200
  • - TOM: TO THE ENDS OF THE
  • 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:52.220
  • EARTH.
  • 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:53.170
  • - KARL: -- TO THE ENDS OF THE
  • 00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:54.110
  • EARTH, AND THEY ARE PASSIONATE,
  • 00:21:54.110 --> 00:21:56.240
  • AND WE'RE SORT OF SAYING,
  • 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.020
  • "WHAT'RE YOU GONNA DO?"
  • 00:21:59.020 --> 00:22:00.140
  • AND HE'S, "WELL, JESUS SAID,
  • 00:22:00.140 --> 00:22:02.130
  • WHEN THE GOSPEL HAS GOT TO THE
  • 00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:03.180
  • ENDS OF THE EARTH, HE'LL COME
  • 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:05.040
  • BACK, AND HE HASN'T, SO WE'RE
  • 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:06.090
  • NOT THERE YET."
  • 00:22:06.090 --> 00:22:07.040
  • SO THIS GUY-- I CAN
  • 00:22:07.040 --> 00:22:08.060
  • STILL REMEMBER.
  • 00:22:08.060 --> 00:22:09.050
  • APOSTLE ADDISON LEANS ACROSS THE
  • 00:22:09.050 --> 00:22:11.130
  • TABLE AND SAYS TO ME, "MOVE,
  • 00:22:11.130 --> 00:22:12.120
  • MOVE, MOVE."
  • 00:22:12.120 --> 00:22:14.080
  • IN OTHER WORDS,
  • 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:15.120
  • "KEEP GOING."
  • 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:16.240
  • AND THAT'S THEIR HEART.
  • 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.050
  • - TOM: HOW BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:22:18.050 --> 00:22:19.170
  • - JANE: ANOTHER STORY ALONG
  • 00:22:19.170 --> 00:22:20.180
  • THOSE LINES IS BILLY KIM.
  • 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:21.190
  • WE INTERVIEWED BILLY KIM IN
  • 00:22:21.190 --> 00:22:23.010
  • SEOUL, IN KOREA, AND, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:22:23.010 --> 00:22:24.160
  • A LOT OF YOUR VIEWERS WILL KNOW
  • 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.140
  • ABOUT THE MEGACHURCHES IN KOREA,
  • 00:22:27.140 --> 00:22:29.260
  • AND IT'S JUST AMAZING,
  • 00:22:29.260 --> 00:22:32.120
  • AND KOREA IS NOW THE SECOND--
  • 00:22:32.120 --> 00:22:34.280
  • SOUTH KOREA IS NOW THE
  • 00:22:34.280 --> 00:22:36.210
  • SECOND-BIGGEST SENDING NATION OF
  • 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:38.050
  • MISSIONARIES OVERSEAS
  • 00:22:38.050 --> 00:22:39.140
  • AFTER AMERICA.
  • 00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:40.260
  • - TOM: WOW.
  • 00:22:40.260 --> 00:22:41.130
  • - JANE: SO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:42.270
  • REALLY AMAZING GROWTH OF
  • 00:22:42.270 --> 00:22:45.210
  • CHRISTIAN FAITH THERE.
  • 00:22:45.210 --> 00:22:47.250
  • I THINK THERE ARE AROUND 30%,
  • 00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:48.200
  • - KARL: YUP, 30%.
  • 00:22:51.030 --> 00:22:51.180
  • - JANE: THIRTY PERCENT
  • 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:52.180
  • CHRISTIANS IN SOUTH KOREA, BUT
  • 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:53.090
  • HE SAYS IT'S NOW THEIR TURN.
  • 00:22:53.090 --> 00:22:53.290
  • NOW IT'S THEIR TIME AND THEIR
  • 00:22:53.290 --> 00:22:56.070
  • TURN TO SEND MISSIONARIES
  • 00:22:56.070 --> 00:22:57.270
  • OVERSEAS, THAT THEY'VE BEEN THE
  • 00:22:57.270 --> 00:22:59.080
  • RECIPIENTS.
  • 00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:00.030
  • THEY'VE BEEN THE RECEIVING
  • 00:23:00.030 --> 00:23:01.120
  • COUNTRY OF MISSIONARIES OVER THE
  • 00:23:01.120 --> 00:23:03.090
  • YEARS, AND NOW THEY SAY IT IS
  • 00:23:03.090 --> 00:23:05.060
  • - KARL: THAT'S EVEN-- THAT'S A
  • 00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:08.050
  • REMARKABLE STORY.
  • 00:23:08.050 --> 00:23:08.270
  • BILLY KIM-- SOME PEOPLE MAY KNOW
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:09.290
  • BILLY KIM BECAUSE, WHEN BILLY
  • 00:23:09.290 --> 00:23:11.250
  • GRAHAM, DR. BILLY GRAHAM, HAD A
  • 00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:13.010
  • CRUSADE IN SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA,
  • 00:23:13.010 --> 00:23:14.240
  • IN 1973, BILLY KIM WAS A
  • 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.200
  • TRANSLATOR FOR DR. BILLY GRAHAM.
  • 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:19.180
  • ON THE LAST SUNDAY, 1.1 MILLION
  • 00:23:20.140 --> 00:23:23.140
  • PEOPLE WERE AT THAT GATHERING.
  • 00:23:23.140 --> 00:23:25.250
  • THERE WAS NOWHERE TO COME
  • 00:23:25.250 --> 00:23:26.240
  • FORWARD 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO
  • 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:27.290
  • ROOM, AND ON THAT AFTERNOON,
  • 00:23:27.290 --> 00:23:29.120
  • THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 38.000
  • 00:23:29.120 --> 00:23:31.220
  • PEOPLE MADE A RESPONSE, BUT
  • 00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:33.190
  • BILLY KIM BECAME A CHRISTIAN, IS
  • 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:36.000
  • A FOLLOWER OF JESUS--
  • 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:36.230
  • - TOM: AT THAT?
  • 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:37.120
  • - KARL: NO, BECAUSE, WHEN-- IN
  • 00:23:37.120 --> 00:23:39.090
  • THE KOREAN WAR, HE WAS BASICALLY
  • 00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:44.010
  • A HOUSEBOY IN THE KOREAN WAR.
  • 00:23:44.010 --> 00:23:45.000
  • HE WAS JUST HELPING THE AMERICAN
  • 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.200
  • TROOPS, AND AN AMERICAN MILITARY
  • 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.290
  • PERSONNEL WITH NO CHRISTIAN
  • 00:23:50.110 --> 00:23:53.110
  • BACKGROUND KIND OF FEELS THAT HE
  • 00:23:53.110 --> 00:23:55.110
  • SHOULD HELP BILLY KIM, SO ASKED
  • 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:57.100
  • HIM IF HE WANTS TO GO TO
  • 00:23:57.100 --> 00:23:58.150
  • AMERICA, PAYS FOR THIS GUY, PAYS
  • 00:23:58.150 --> 00:24:01.100
  • FOR HIM, BILLY KIM, TO GO TO
  • 00:24:01.100 --> 00:24:02.230
  • AMERICA, ASKED HIS MATES, "WHAT
  • 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:05.000
  • SCHOOL SHOULD HE GO TO?"
  • 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.010
  • ONE OF 'EM SAYS, "OH, THERE'S
  • 00:24:07.010 --> 00:24:08.080
  • THIS CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.
  • 00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:09.090
  • THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD."
  • 00:24:09.090 --> 00:24:10.010
  • SO HE SENDS HIM THERE.
  • 00:24:10.010 --> 00:24:10.290
  • BILLY KIM ENDS UP IN THE
  • 00:24:10.290 --> 00:24:12.080
  • CHRISTIAN SCHOOL, AND IT WAS
  • 00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:13.130
  • ORAL ROBERTS UNIVERSITY-- ENDS
  • 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:15.080
  • UP THERE, BECOMES A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:17.220
  • WANTS TO BECOME A POLITICIAN,
  • 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.160
  • BUT GOD SAYS, "YOU NOW GO BACK
  • 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:20.100
  • TO YOUR COUNTRY AS A
  • 00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:21.240
  • MISSIONARY," RETURNS FROM
  • 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.080
  • AMERICA TO KOREA, SOUTH KOREA,
  • 00:24:23.090 --> 00:24:26.090
  • AS A MISSIONARY, AND THEN ENDS
  • 00:24:26.090 --> 00:24:28.190
  • UP TRANSLATING FOR BILLY GRAHAM
  • 00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:30.200
  • TO 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE, ALL
  • 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:32.200
  • BECAUSE ONE SOLDIER PICKED OUT A
  • 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.150
  • HOUSEBOY, GAVE HIM A CHANCE.
  • 00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:36.210
  • - TOM: NOW, YOU SAY THAT THAT
  • 00:24:36.210 --> 00:24:37.140
  • WAS IN '73 OR '75?
  • 00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:38.250
  • WHAT DATE WAS--
  • 00:24:38.250 --> 00:24:40.030
  • - KARL: '73.
  • 00:24:40.030 --> 00:24:40.250
  • - TOM: BECAUSE I WAS ON
  • 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:42.190
  • YEOUIDO ISLAND IN 1975 FOR
  • 00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:45.280
  • EASTER SERVICE THERE.
  • 00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:47.240
  • BILLY GRAHAM PREACHED, AND THERE
  • 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.040
  • WAS OVER A MILLION PEOPLE ON
  • 00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:50.060
  • YEOUIDO ISLAND.
  • 00:24:50.060 --> 00:24:50.280
  • - KARL: THAT COULD'VE BEEN THAT
  • 00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:51.280
  • SAME ONE, YEAH.
  • 00:24:51.280 --> 00:24:52.140
  • - JANE: YEAH, THAT MUST BE.
  • 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:53.120
  • - TOM: AND I-- ONE OF THE
  • 00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:54.200
  • THINGS THAT WAS THERE.
  • 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:55.220
  • I WAS IN THE ARMY THERE TOWARDS
  • 00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:57.020
  • THE END OF THE VIETNAM WAR.
  • 00:24:57.020 --> 00:24:57.280
  • THAT'S WHERE I MET MY WIFE WAS
  • 00:24:57.280 --> 00:25:00.020
  • IN THAT TIME.
  • 00:25:00.020 --> 00:25:01.160
  • SHE WAS THERE TO SERVE YEOUIDO
  • 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.010
  • CHURCH, AND SHE WAS CONSIDERING
  • 00:25:03.010 --> 00:25:04.150
  • STAYING AN EXTRA YEAR, BUT I
  • 00:25:04.150 --> 00:25:05.270
  • CONVINCED HER TO MARRY ME AND GO
  • 00:25:05.270 --> 00:25:06.290
  • HOME A BIT EARLY, BUT THAT'S
  • 00:25:06.290 --> 00:25:08.160
  • WHERE I MET HER, SO THAT'S
  • 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.030
  • INTERESTING.
  • 00:25:10.030 --> 00:25:10.250
  • AND THEN I ENDED UP GOING FROM
  • 00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:12.190
  • THERE TO ORAL ROBERTS
  • 00:25:12.190 --> 00:25:13.280
  • UNIVERSITY, SO ME AND BILLY KIM
  • 00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:15.110
  • WERE DOING THE--
  • 00:25:15.110 --> 00:25:17.020
  • - JANE: THAT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:25:17.020 --> 00:25:17.260
  • - KARL: YOU KNOW, BILLY KIM
  • 00:25:17.260 --> 00:25:19.150
  • NOW, HE'S RUN CHURCHES.
  • 00:25:19.150 --> 00:25:21.030
  • HE'S AN EVANGELIST, BUT HE ALSO
  • 00:25:21.030 --> 00:25:22.140
  • RUNS FEBC, FAR EAST
  • 00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:24.260
  • BROADCASTING COMPANY, AND THE
  • 00:25:24.260 --> 00:25:27.160
  • REALLY INTERESTING THING-- SO WE
  • 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:28.230
  • WERE CHATTING TO BILLY KIM ABOUT
  • 00:25:28.230 --> 00:25:30.020
  • NORTH KOREA 'CAUSE SOUTH KOREA
  • 00:25:30.020 --> 00:25:31.090
  • IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT NORTH
  • 00:25:31.090 --> 00:25:32.140
  • KOREA, WHICH USED TO BE
  • 00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:34.000
  • CHRISTIAN BEFORE IT WAS-- BECAME
  • 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:34.220
  • A DICTATORSHIP, AND HE TALKED
  • 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:37.120
  • ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH
  • 00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:39.120
  • KOREANS CAN'T GET THE BIBLE, AND
  • 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:41.140
  • THERE'S NO WAY YOU GET BIBLES IN
  • 00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:43.110
  • THERE, SO THE NORTH KOREANS SAY
  • 00:25:43.110 --> 00:25:44.170
  • TO FEBC, BILLY KIM AND THE FEBC
  • 00:25:44.170 --> 00:25:46.100
  • TEAM, "IF YOU READ IT SLOWLY, WE
  • 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:48.020
  • CAN WRITE IT DOWN."
  • 00:25:48.020 --> 00:25:50.240
  • SO ON FEBC, BILLY KIM
  • 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.070
  • AND HIS TEAM START READING
  • 00:25:53.070 --> 00:25:54.160
  • THE BIBLE SLOWLY, JUST SLOWLY,
  • 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:56.280
  • AND THEN THEY SENT WHAT
  • 00:25:56.280 --> 00:25:59.190
  • THEY'D WRITTEN BACK TO THEM,
  • 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:00.270
  • JUST SO THEY HAVE A COPY OF IT,
  • 00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:01.240
  • AND I SAID TO BILLY KIM,
  • 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:02.200
  • "SO, HOW MUCH OF THE BIBLE
  • 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:03.140
  • DID THEY WRITE DOWN?"
  • 00:26:03.140 --> 00:26:05.000
  • AND HE LOOKS ME, INCREDULOUS,
  • 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.040
  • SAID, "THE WHOLE THING."
  • 00:26:06.040 --> 00:26:07.010
  • SO THE WHOLE--
  • 00:26:07.010 --> 00:26:07.200
  • THE BIBLE TRANSLATION--
  • 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.150
  • - TOM: BASICALLY TRANSLATING IN
  • 00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:12.020
  • SLOW MOTION FROM THE MOUTH--
  • 00:26:12.020 --> 00:26:13.210
  • - JANE: YEAH, THAT'S HOW THEY
  • 00:26:13.210 --> 00:26:16.060
  • GOT THE BIBLE.
  • 00:26:16.060 --> 00:26:16.250
  • - TOM: NOW, THAT'S A
  • 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:17.200
  • GAME-CHANGING STRATEGY RIGHT
  • 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:18.100
  • THERE.
  • 00:26:18.100 --> 00:26:18.190
  • - KARL: OH, YEAH, YEAH,
  • 00:26:18.190 --> 00:26:19.070
  • ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:26:19.070 --> 00:26:19.190
  • - JANE: AND, FOR HIM, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:20.110
  • WHEN HE WAS ASKED THAT "ENDS OF
  • 00:26:20.110 --> 00:26:21.030
  • THE EARTH" QUESTION, HE SAID,
  • 00:26:21.030 --> 00:26:22.210
  • "FOR ME, NORTH KOREA IS THE
  • 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:25.130
  • 'ENDS OF THE EARTH.'"
  • 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:26.020
  • THAT'S THE FRONTIER THAT-- YEAH.
  • 00:26:26.020 --> 00:26:27.030
  • - KARL: YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY
  • 00:26:27.030 --> 00:26:28.050
  • AMAZING THAT I THINK MANY OF
  • 00:26:28.050 --> 00:26:29.060
  • YOUR VIEWERS WOULD BE REALLY
  • 00:26:29.060 --> 00:26:31.090
  • INTERESTED TO HEAR?
  • 00:26:31.090 --> 00:26:32.140
  • DO YOU KNOW THAT IN 1906, 1907,
  • 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.180
  • THERE WAS A MASSIVE REVIVAL IN
  • 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:37.140
  • KOREA?
  • 00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:38.270
  • YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS?
  • 00:26:38.270 --> 00:26:39.170
  • PYONGYANG.
  • 00:26:39.170 --> 00:26:41.190
  • PYONGYANG WAS ACTUALLY ONCE
  • 00:26:41.190 --> 00:26:42.240
  • KNOWN AS THE JERUSALEM OF ASIA--
  • 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.080
  • - TOM: UNBELIEVABLE.
  • 00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:46.210
  • - KARL: -- AND SO THAT PLACE
  • 00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.280
  • NOW, WHICH IS--
  • 00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:49.020
  • - TOM: PYONGYANG, BY THE WAY,
  • 00:26:49.020 --> 00:26:50.090
  • IS THE CAPITAL OF NORTH KOREA,
  • 00:26:50.090 --> 00:26:51.170
  • SO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT
  • 00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:52.090
  • FAMILIAR.
  • 00:26:52.090 --> 00:26:53.280
  • - KARL: AND THAT IS KIND OF
  • 00:26:53.280 --> 00:26:55.090
  • DARK IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE, AND
  • 00:26:55.090 --> 00:26:56.240
  • FORM.
  • 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:57.090
  • WHEN OPEN DOORS PUT OUT A WORLD
  • 00:26:57.090 --> 00:27:00.100
  • WATCH LIST OF THE 50 MOST
  • 00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:01.140
  • DIFFICULT PLACES TO BE A
  • 00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.120
  • CHRISTIAN, NORTH KOREA IS AT THE
  • 00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:04.190
  • TOP OF THAT LIST.
  • 00:27:04.190 --> 00:27:05.170
  • - TOM: NUMBER ONE.
  • 00:27:05.170 --> 00:27:06.030
  • - KARL: AND IT'S SUCH A
  • 00:27:06.030 --> 00:27:07.030
  • REMINDER, TOM, THAT NO MATTER
  • 00:27:07.030 --> 00:27:08.260
  • WHERE WE LIVE, NEVER TAKE YOUR
  • 00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:10.140
  • FREEDOMS FOR GRANTED.
  • 00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:11.270
  • NEVER TAKE THE GOSPEL FOR
  • 00:27:11.270 --> 00:27:13.230
  • GRANTED, NEVER TAKE THE CHURCH
  • 00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:14.290
  • FOR GRANTED BECAUSE YOU JUST
  • 00:27:14.290 --> 00:27:16.280
  • NEVER KNOW-- IT'LL CHANGE IN A
  • 00:27:16.280 --> 00:27:17.230
  • HEARTBEAT.
  • 00:27:17.230 --> 00:27:18.270
  • - TOM: I'M TALKING TO KARL AND
  • 00:27:18.270 --> 00:27:20.000
  • JANE FAASE,
  • 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:20.250
  • THE AUTHORS, PRODUCERS OF
  • 00:27:20.250 --> 00:27:23.070
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:27:23.070 --> 00:27:24.240
  • WE'RE GETTING READY TO
  • 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.060
  • GO INTO SEASON TWO.
  • 00:27:26.060 --> 00:27:27.050
  • THEY SENT US A FEW CLIPS IN
  • 00:27:27.050 --> 00:27:28.160
  • ADVANCE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
  • 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:29.280
  • THAT I REALLY SAW ABOUT THIS
  • 00:27:29.280 --> 00:27:31.140
  • NEXT CLIP I'M GONNA SHARE,
  • 00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:32.140
  • IT WAS TAKEN IN NAGASAKI,
  • 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.050
  • BUT IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:27:34.050 --> 00:27:36.020
  • ABOUT THE HEART AND
  • 00:27:36.020 --> 00:27:37.000
  • THE REASON BEHIND
  • 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.040
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
  • 00:27:38.040 --> 00:27:39.030
  • PART TWO.
  • 00:27:39.030 --> 00:27:39.260
  • LET'S WATCH THAT.
  • 00:27:39.260 --> 00:27:41.150
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:27:41.190 --> 00:27:44.190
  • - KARL: YOU KNOW, FROM THE VERY
  • 00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:45.230
  • BEGINNING OF THE CHURCH, THERE
  • 00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:46.280
  • HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THOSE WHO HAVE
  • 00:27:46.280 --> 00:27:48.130
  • TAKEN THE MESSAGE OF JESUS TO
  • 00:27:48.130 --> 00:27:49.090
  • THE VERY ENDS OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:50.250
  • FOR THEM, BE THAT PAUL IN THE
  • 00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:53.140
  • FIRST CENTURY OR FRANCIS XAVIER
  • 00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:56.100
  • IN THE 16TH CENTURY, AND ALL THE
  • 00:27:56.100 --> 00:27:58.160
  • WAY UP TO TODAY, PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.190
  • ALWAYS BEEN COMMITTED TO TAKING
  • 00:27:59.190 --> 00:28:01.130
  • THAT MESSAGE TO THE ENDS OF THE
  • 00:28:01.130 --> 00:28:03.220
  • EARTH, BUT WHY DID THEY DO IT?
  • 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:05.140
  • WHAT WAS THEIR MOTIVATION?
  • 00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:06.240
  • WHY WOULD THEY FACE DANGER AND
  • 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.130
  • DIFFICULTY IN THE MIDST
  • 00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:10.100
  • OF THAT TASK?
  • 00:28:10.100 --> 00:28:12.100
  • THIS SERIES, "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:28:12.100 --> 00:28:14.030
  • CHANGER," IS ABOUT THE GLOBAL
  • 00:28:14.030 --> 00:28:16.050
  • REACH OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS,
  • 00:28:16.050 --> 00:28:18.070
  • AND THAT HAPPENED WHEN PEOPLE
  • 00:28:18.070 --> 00:28:19.190
  • TOOK THE LIFE AND TEACHING OF
  • 00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:22.160
  • JESUS TO THE VERY ENDS OF THE
  • 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.150
  • EARTH.
  • 00:28:23.150 --> 00:28:25.170
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:27.000
  • - TOM: KARL AND JANE, WHY DO
  • 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.110
  • YOU CARE?
  • 00:28:35.110 --> 00:28:37.110
  • WHAT'S YOUR "END OF THE EARTH"?
  • 00:28:37.110 --> 00:28:39.020
  • YOU'VE TOLD ME THAT YOU'VE BEEN
  • 00:28:39.020 --> 00:28:40.090
  • INTERVIEWING PEOPLE AROUND THE
  • 00:28:40.090 --> 00:28:41.220
  • WORLD AND ASKING THEM WHAT IS
  • 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.020
  • THEIR "ENDS OF THE EARTH."
  • 00:28:43.020 --> 00:28:43.240
  • WHAT IS YOUR
  • 00:28:43.270 --> 00:28:46.270
  • "END OF THE EARTH,"
  • 00:28:46.270 --> 00:28:47.230
  • AND WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
  • 00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:49.030
  • - KARL: I MEAN, THE KEY IS FOR
  • 00:28:49.030 --> 00:28:51.120
  • EVERY GENERATION TO HAVE AN
  • 00:28:54.030 --> 00:28:55.270
  • OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW JESUS.
  • 00:28:55.270 --> 00:28:57.240
  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WATCHING
  • 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.000
  • THIS AND YOU'RE DOING IT OUT OF
  • 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.180
  • A CHRISTIAN COMMITMENT THAT YOU
  • 00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:02.030
  • KNOW JESUS PERSONALLY, SOMEBODY,
  • 00:29:02.030 --> 00:29:03.150
  • IN A SENSE, GAVE THAT TO YOU.
  • 00:29:03.150 --> 00:29:06.050
  • SOMEBODY ACROSS THE STREET,
  • 00:29:06.050 --> 00:29:09.010
  • ACROSS THE NATION, ACROSS THE
  • 00:29:09.010 --> 00:29:10.160
  • WORLD, SO THAT YOU CAN KNOW
  • 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.120
  • THAT, AND IT'S NEVER
  • 00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:12.240
  • BEEN A MISTAKE.
  • 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.000
  • IT'S NEVER BEEN JUST SOMETHING
  • 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.000
  • THAT ACCIDENTALLY HAPPENED.
  • 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.110
  • THERE'S A SPIRIT OF A GOD
  • 00:29:16.110 --> 00:29:17.200
  • INVOLVED, AND THE POINT THAT
  • 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.030
  • JANE HAS ALREADY SAID EARLIER
  • 00:29:19.030 --> 00:29:20.120
  • ABOUT BILLY KIM, IT'S LIKE WE'VE
  • 00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:21.280
  • AND NOW IT'S OUR TURN.
  • 00:29:25.070 --> 00:29:26.130
  • NOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'VE BEEN
  • 00:29:26.130 --> 00:29:28.020
  • HANDED THE BATON THAT SAYS,
  • 00:29:28.020 --> 00:29:29.200
  • "NOW IS YOUR TURN."
  • 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.240
  • WE WANNA TELL THESE STORIES
  • 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.240
  • 'CAUSE WE WANNA INSPIRE PEOPLE.
  • 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.030
  • ONE OF THE GREAT INSPIRING
  • 00:29:34.030 --> 00:29:35.190
  • STORIES IS YOU JUST SAW A SHOT
  • 00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:36.140
  • FROM NAGASAKI,
  • 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:37.260
  • AND IN NAGASAKI,
  • 00:29:37.260 --> 00:29:39.290
  • THE GOSPEL FIRST CAME TO
  • 00:29:39.290 --> 00:29:41.090
  • NAGASAKI BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:29:41.090 --> 00:29:43.030
  • THE 16TH CENTURY.
  • 00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:44.080
  • IT WAS ABOUT 1553, WHEN A GUY
  • 00:29:44.080 --> 00:29:46.000
  • CALLED FRANCIS XAVIER-- HE WAS
  • 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.160
  • PART OF A NEW COMPANY, A NEW
  • 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.050
  • ORGANIZATION THAT HAD JUST
  • 00:29:50.050 --> 00:29:52.020
  • GATHERED TOGETHER, AND THIS
  • 00:29:52.020 --> 00:29:53.130
  • BUNCH OF ABOUT TEN FRIENDS FROM
  • 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.200
  • UNIVERSITY GATHERED TOGETHER,
  • 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.100
  • AND THEY WANTED TO FORM A
  • 00:29:58.100 --> 00:29:59.070
  • COMPANY, AND THEY CALLED IT THE
  • 00:29:59.070 --> 00:30:00.270
  • "COMPANY OF JESUS."
  • 00:30:00.270 --> 00:30:01.230
  • IT'S NOW KNOWN AS THE JESUITS,
  • 00:30:01.230 --> 00:30:03.130
  • AND WHEN THE COMPANY OF JESUS
  • 00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:04.240
  • WAS FORMED,
  • 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.130
  • THEY DECIDED THEY WERE GONNA
  • 00:30:06.130 --> 00:30:07.140
  • TAKE THE GOSPEL WHEREVER THEY
  • 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:08.210
  • COULD, AND THERE WAS ONE OF
  • 00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:10.170
  • THEIR COMPANY THAT WAS ABOUT TO
  • 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:12.060
  • GO ON THIS SHIP TO HALFWAY
  • 00:30:12.060 --> 00:30:13.290
  • AROUND THE WORLD,
  • 00:30:13.290 --> 00:30:15.180
  • A PORTUGUESE SHIP,
  • 00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:16.160
  • AND HE WAS SICK, SO
  • 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.280
  • IGNATIUS LOYOLA,
  • 00:30:17.280 --> 00:30:19.270
  • WHO HEADED IT UP,
  • 00:30:19.270 --> 00:30:21.010
  • TALKED TO HIS GOOD MATE,
  • 00:30:21.010 --> 00:30:22.190
  • FRANCIS XAVIER, WITH TWO DAYS'
  • 00:30:22.190 --> 00:30:23.260
  • NOTICE AND SAID, "WELL, MAYBE
  • 00:30:23.260 --> 00:30:25.170
  • AND FRANCIS XAVIER GOT ON A SHIP
  • 00:30:28.210 --> 00:30:29.200
  • AND TRAVELED HALF AROUND THE
  • 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:31.070
  • WORLD-- TAKES ABOUT SIX MONTHS;
  • 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:33.170
  • OFTEN 30% OF THE PEOPLE ON THOSE
  • 00:30:33.170 --> 00:30:35.240
  • SHIPS DIED-- TO GO TO A PLACE
  • 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.010
  • HE'D NEVER SEEN, NEVER HEARD OF,
  • 00:30:38.010 --> 00:30:39.190
  • KNEW NOTHING OF, AND HE
  • 00:30:39.190 --> 00:30:41.120
  • WENT THERE TO SHARE THE
  • 00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:43.250
  • CHANGED THAT PART OF JAPAN FOR
  • 00:30:45.290 --> 00:30:46.200
  • THE NEXT 50 YEARS UNTIL THERE
  • 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.180
  • WAS RADICAL CHANGE, WHICH WE MAY
  • 00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:50.150
  • GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT
  • 00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:51.260
  • LATER, BUT THAT WAS OF THIS
  • 00:30:51.260 --> 00:30:54.240
  • EFFORT OF GOING TO THE ENDS OF
  • 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.220
  • THE EARTH, AND I FOUND THAT AN
  • 00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:56.270
  • ENORMOUS CHALLENGE TO THINK, YOU
  • 00:30:56.270 --> 00:30:59.160
  • KNOW, SOMETIMES I'M AFRAID OF
  • 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.070
  • CROSSING THE STREET,
  • 00:31:01.070 --> 00:31:03.000
  • AND THESE GUYS RISKED THEIR
  • 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.260
  • LIVES TO CROSS THE WORLD,
  • 00:31:04.260 --> 00:31:05.280
  • AND BECAUSE THEY DID IT,
  • 00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:07.120
  • YOU AND I ARE SHARING THIS
  • 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:08.160
  • MOMENT NOW,
  • 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.080
  • AND IT'S OUR TIME,
  • 00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:10.250
  • OUR MOMENT, OUR CALL,
  • 00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:12.150
  • AND WHAT WE WANNA DO
  • 00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:14.200
  • IS ENCOURAGE EVERY PERSON
  • 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.050
  • THAT WATCHES THIS TO
  • 00:31:16.050 --> 00:31:17.000
  • REINVIGORATE, RE-VISION, RELEASE
  • 00:31:18.110 --> 00:31:21.110
  • A NEW GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.160
  • ARE WILLING TO GO TO THE ENDS OF
  • 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.220
  • THE EARTH, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:31:25.220 --> 00:31:27.210
  • I PRAY IT'S YOU, AND I PRAY THAT
  • 00:31:27.210 --> 00:31:29.210
  • THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DO
  • 00:31:29.210 --> 00:31:31.240
  • THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE
  • 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.020
  • GOSPEL CHANGES LIVES.
  • 00:31:33.020 --> 00:31:34.130
  • IT'S OUR MOTIVATION TALK.
  • 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:37.110
  • THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA SEE.
  • 00:31:37.110 --> 00:31:38.270
  • - TOM: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:31:38.270 --> 00:31:40.160
  • YOU KNOW, I THINK SO OFTEN, WHEN
  • 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:41.280
  • PEOPLE TURN ON A TELEVISION
  • 00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:42.290
  • PROGRAM, IF IT'S NOT A PREACHER
  • 00:31:42.290 --> 00:31:45.020
  • THEY KNOW, IF IT'S NOT SOMEONE
  • 00:31:45.020 --> 00:31:47.010
  • THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THEY SAY,
  • 00:31:47.010 --> 00:31:48.030
  • "WELL, WHO ARE THESE GUYS AND
  • 00:31:48.030 --> 00:31:49.120
  • WHAT MOTIVATES 'EM?"
  • 00:31:49.120 --> 00:31:50.090
  • YOU KNOW, MATT, LAURIE, AND I,
  • 00:31:50.090 --> 00:31:52.020
  • WE'VE HAD TIME TO GET
  • 00:31:52.020 --> 00:31:53.270
  • TO KNOW YOU.
  • 00:31:53.270 --> 00:31:54.180
  • WE KNOW WHY YOU'RE MOTIVATED.
  • 00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:56.200
  • THE PEOPLE THAT WE PUT ON THIS
  • 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.040
  • NETWORK, THE PEOPLE THAT WE PRAY
  • 00:31:58.040 --> 00:32:00.150
  • OVER AND SEE THAT GOD'S MAKING A
  • 00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:02.030
  • DIFFERENCE-- OR THEIR
  • 00:32:02.030 --> 00:32:03.020
  • INFORMATION, WE BELIEVE, IS
  • 00:32:03.020 --> 00:32:05.030
  • GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BE
  • 00:32:05.030 --> 00:32:06.120
  • IT "DRIVE THRU HISTORY" OR
  • 00:32:06.120 --> 00:32:07.060
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
  • 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:08.160
  • OR JOEL OSTEEN'S
  • 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.290
  • "YOUR BEST LIFE NOW,"
  • 00:32:10.290 --> 00:32:12.000
  • WE LOOK AT PEOPLE,
  • 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.040
  • AND WE LOOK AT THE FRUIT
  • 00:32:14.040 --> 00:32:15.000
  • IN THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.080
  • YOU'VE HAD FRUIT IN YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:17.110
  • YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS
  • 00:32:17.110 --> 00:32:18.220
  • FOR A WHILE.
  • 00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:20.130
  • WHEN YOUR BIO BEGINS TO TALK
  • 00:32:20.130 --> 00:32:21.080
  • ABOUT YOU'VE BEEN ONE OF THE
  • 00:32:21.080 --> 00:32:23.010
  • FOREMOST-KNOWN FOLKS IN THE
  • 00:32:23.010 --> 00:32:24.090
  • CHRISTIAN CIRCLE OVER THERE.
  • 00:32:24.090 --> 00:32:25.200
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT HILLSONG, BUT
  • 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.090
  • HILLSONG KNOWS OF YOU GUYS.
  • 00:32:27.090 --> 00:32:28.260
  • YOUR SERIES PLAYS ON
  • 00:32:28.260 --> 00:32:30.070
  • HILLSONG CHANNEL.
  • 00:32:30.070 --> 00:32:30.220
  • IT PLAYS HERE.
  • 00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:31.220
  • WHY?
  • 00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:32.290
  • BECAUSE YOU CARE.
  • 00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:35.230
  • I THINK FOR TBN, AND FOR US,
  • 00:32:35.260 --> 00:32:38.260
  • WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS
  • 00:32:38.260 --> 00:32:40.180
  • THAT WE CARE.
  • 00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:42.150
  • WE HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE MANDATE
  • 00:32:42.150 --> 00:32:45.120
  • TO REACH, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE
  • 00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:47.120
  • WORLD WITH THE GOOD NEWS OF
  • 00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:49.030
  • JESUS CHRIST, NOT JUST FOR SOULS
  • 00:32:49.030 --> 00:32:51.260
  • BUT TO CHALLENGE BELIEVERS TO BE
  • 00:32:51.260 --> 00:32:53.000
  • ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE
  • 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:53.210
  • KINGDOM OF GOD.
  • 00:32:53.210 --> 00:32:55.040
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR US
  • 00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:57.150
  • TO WATCH CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
  • 00:32:57.150 --> 00:32:58.240
  • WE'RE NOT SAVED BY WATCHING
  • 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.280
  • CHRISTIAN TELEVISION.
  • 00:33:00.280 --> 00:33:01.210
  • WE'RE SAVED, YOU KNOW, BY JESUS
  • 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:05.180
  • CHRIST AND BY WHAT HE DID FOR
  • 00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:08.040
  • EACH OF US, BUT WHEN WE GET
  • 00:33:08.040 --> 00:33:09.150
  • AHOLD OF THAT, IT CAUSES US
  • 00:33:09.150 --> 00:33:11.030
  • TO DO SOMETHING.
  • 00:33:11.030 --> 00:33:13.030
  • WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING?
  • 00:33:13.030 --> 00:33:13.280
  • IN THIS CASE, RIGHT NOW, IT'S TO
  • 00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:16.260
  • THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND HOW
  • 00:33:16.260 --> 00:33:19.140
  • WE'RE EXPLORING THAT AND THE
  • 00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:21.140
  • STORIES THAT WE'RE TELLING.
  • 00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:22.190
  • SO YOU TOLD SOME NEW STORIES.
  • 00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:24.010
  • YOU'VE BEEN OUT LONG.
  • 00:33:24.010 --> 00:33:25.150
  • YOU'VE BEEN GONE NEARLY A
  • 00:33:25.150 --> 00:33:26.170
  • HUNDRED DAYS THIS YEAR.
  • 00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:28.000
  • YOU'VE TRAVELED A LOT.
  • 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.120
  • YOU'RE EDITING NOW.
  • 00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:30.190
  • YOU'RE FINISHING THIS UP.
  • 00:33:30.190 --> 00:33:31.210
  • BUT THIS IS A LABOR OF LOVE, BUT
  • 00:33:31.210 --> 00:33:33.140
  • I KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
  • 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:36.020
  • IT'S NOT ONLY TO COMMUNICATE
  • 00:33:36.020 --> 00:33:37.280
  • THESE STORIES BUT TO SIT WITH
  • 00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:39.070
  • THESE PEOPLE AND HEAR
  • 00:33:39.070 --> 00:33:39.250
  • THEIR STORIES.
  • 00:33:39.250 --> 00:33:40.190
  • TELL US ANOTHER STORY, KARL, OF
  • 00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:41.290
  • SOMEONE YOU SAT WITH IN ANOTHER
  • 00:33:41.290 --> 00:33:43.200
  • PART OF THE WORLD
  • 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.170
  • THAT CHANGED YOU.
  • 00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:47.120
  • - KARL: LOOK, I THINK ONE OF
  • 00:33:47.120 --> 00:33:49.080
  • THE PICTURES THAT WE'LL HAVE IN
  • 00:33:49.080 --> 00:33:50.060
  • A CLIP IS A LADY CALLED MARYAM,
  • 00:33:50.060 --> 00:33:51.070
  • AND MARYAM AND HER
  • 00:33:51.070 --> 00:33:53.080
  • AND WE INTERVIEWED
  • 00:33:55.210 --> 00:33:56.280
  • THEM IN AMERICA.
  • 00:33:56.280 --> 00:33:57.230
  • NOW, THE REASON THEY LIVE HERE--
  • 00:33:57.230 --> 00:33:58.150
  • THEY LIVE IN ATLANTA-- IS
  • 00:33:58.150 --> 00:33:59.080
  • BECAUSE THEY--
  • 00:33:59.080 --> 00:33:59.220
  • - TOM: CAN I ASK YOU OF THAT?
  • 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:00.150
  • BECAUSE WHEN I WATCHED
  • 00:34:00.150 --> 00:34:01.020
  • I WAS CONCERNED FOR
  • 00:34:02.250 --> 00:34:03.200
  • THEIR SAFETY.
  • 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:04.030
  • - KARL: YEAH.
  • 00:34:04.030 --> 00:34:04.160
  • - TOM: WHEN YOU TAKE A
  • 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.090
  • SITUATION IN SOME OF THE MUSLIM
  • 00:34:05.090 --> 00:34:07.060
  • NATIONS, THERE COULD
  • 00:34:07.060 --> 00:34:08.010
  • BE HIGH RISK.
  • 00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:11.010
  • - KARL: AND THERE ARE HIGH
  • 00:34:11.010 --> 00:34:12.140
  • RISKS, I MEAN, THEY NOW
  • 00:34:12.140 --> 00:34:14.040
  • LIVE IN AMERICA.
  • 00:34:14.040 --> 00:34:15.210
  • THEY'VE RELEASED A BOOK CALLED
  • 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:16.120
  • "CAPTIVE IN IRAN."
  • 00:34:16.120 --> 00:34:17.030
  • THEY'RE QUITE OPEN ABOUT
  • 00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:19.110
  • THEIR POSITION AND WHAT
  • 00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:20.010
  • HAPPENED TO THEM,
  • 00:34:20.010 --> 00:34:21.270
  • BUT THESE ARE TWO GIRLS THAT
  • 00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:22.260
  • SEPARATELY, QUITE, IN THEIR OWN
  • 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:25.220
  • FAMILIES, IN THEIR OWN LIVES,
  • 00:34:25.220 --> 00:34:27.230
  • IN ISLAMIC FAMILIES,
  • 00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:30.260
  • DISCOVERED AND EXPERIENCED
  • 00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:32.200
  • JESUS IN A RADICAL WAY.
  • 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:33.160
  • MARYAM HAD BEEN JUST
  • 00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:37.050
  • UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HER
  • 00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:38.210
  • ISLAMIC FAITH.
  • 00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:40.200
  • SHE WASN'T LIKE--
  • 00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:42.050
  • DIDN'T PRAY IN HER OWN
  • 00:34:42.050 --> 00:34:43.150
  • LANGUAGE, SHE DIDN'T
  • 00:34:43.150 --> 00:34:46.050
  • READ THE KORAN IN HER OWN
  • 00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:46.290
  • LANGUAGE, THE KORAN WASN'T
  • 00:34:46.290 --> 00:34:47.190
  • SPEAKING TO HER, SHE WASN'T
  • 00:34:47.190 --> 00:34:49.020
  • FEELING ANYTHING, AND SHE
  • 00:34:49.020 --> 00:34:50.010
  • STARTED TO EXPLORE, AND MARYAM'S
  • 00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:51.090
  • STORY IS THAT HER SISTER CAME
  • 00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:53.050
  • HOME, AND SOMEBODY FROM HER
  • 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:55.290
  • CHURCH NEAR HER SCHOOL HAD GIVEN
  • 00:34:55.290 --> 00:34:57.070
  • HER A TRACT, LIKE, A TRACT
  • 00:34:57.070 --> 00:34:58.150
  • WRITTEN IN HER LANGUAGE, FARSI,
  • 00:34:59.030 --> 00:35:02.050
  • AND SHE CAME SAID, "OH, YOU
  • 00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:03.080
  • MIGHT WANT TO READ THIS, BUT
  • 00:35:03.080 --> 00:35:04.140
  • DON'T READ THE LAST PAGE.
  • 00:35:04.140 --> 00:35:05.090
  • IT'S A CONVERSION PRAYER, SO
  • 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:07.030
  • DON'T READ THE LAST PAGE, BUT
  • 00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:08.030
  • YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED
  • 00:35:08.030 --> 00:35:08.210
  • TO READ IT."
  • 00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:10.040
  • SO MARYAM GOES INTO HER
  • 00:35:10.040 --> 00:35:11.260
  • ROOM AND READS THE
  • 00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:13.230
  • STORY OF JESUS.
  • 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:14.200
  • SHE WEPT.
  • 00:35:14.200 --> 00:35:15.130
  • - JANE: SHE WAS SEEKING TRUTH.
  • 00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:16.220
  • YOU KNOW, SHE JUST FELT THAT SHE
  • 00:35:16.220 --> 00:35:19.110
  • WAS LOOKING ACROSS ALL
  • 00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:20.250
  • RELIGIONS.
  • 00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:21.230
  • IT WASN'T JUST THAT SHE WAS, YOU
  • 00:35:21.230 --> 00:35:23.250
  • KNOW, LOOKING FOR ONE OR THE
  • 00:35:23.250 --> 00:35:24.150
  • OTHER, BUT SHE FELT THAT SHE
  • 00:35:24.150 --> 00:35:25.130
  • JUST WANTED TO FIND TRUTH, AND,
  • 00:35:25.130 --> 00:35:26.130
  • JUST, JESUS BROKE THROUGH IN HER
  • 00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:29.230
  • ROOM THAT DAY.
  • 00:35:29.230 --> 00:35:32.160
  • SHE JUST WENT INTO HER ROOM WITH
  • 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:35.050
  • THIS LITTLE BOOKLET
  • 00:35:35.050 --> 00:35:36.070
  • FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, SHE
  • 00:35:36.070 --> 00:35:37.090
  • SAID, AND SHE JUST READ IT FROM
  • 00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:38.190
  • START TO FINISH, AND I DON'T
  • 00:35:38.190 --> 00:35:40.220
  • WHETHER I SHOULD, SORT OF, SPILL
  • 00:35:40.220 --> 00:35:43.160
  • THE STORY LINE, BUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:35:43.160 --> 00:35:45.130
  • SHE READ THAT LAST PAGE AND
  • 00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:46.110
  • PRAYED THE PRAYER AND--
  • 00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:47.280
  • - TOM: SO SHE DID WHAT SHE
  • 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.060
  • WASN'T SUPPOSED TO DO.
  • 00:35:49.060 --> 00:35:49.230
  • - KARL: YEAH.
  • 00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:50.060
  • - JANE: SHE DID WHAT HER SISTER
  • 00:35:50.060 --> 00:35:52.010
  • TOLD HER NOT TO DO.
  • 00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:52.270
  • - KARL: AND MARZIYEH--
  • 00:35:52.270 --> 00:35:54.260
  • - JANE: AND AN AMAZING,
  • 00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:56.240
  • AND THEN WHAT IT PROMPTED THEM
  • 00:35:59.290 --> 00:36:01.020
  • TO DO, PERHAPS WE'LL LEAVE THAT
  • 00:36:01.020 --> 00:36:01.240
  • FOR THE VIEWERS TO WATCH IN THE
  • 00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:02.160
  • SERIES, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST
  • 00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:04.120
  • DIDN'T LEAVE IT THERE.
  • 00:36:04.120 --> 00:36:05.230
  • THEY JUST STEPPED UP, BIG TIME,
  • 00:36:05.230 --> 00:36:06.150
  • - TOM: LET'S TAKE A MINUTE AND
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:09.090
  • WATCH THE CLIP WITH THE TWO
  • 00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:09.290
  • LADIES AND PART OF THIS
  • 00:36:09.290 --> 00:36:10.170
  • INTERVIEW, AND, KARL, I WANT YOU
  • 00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:11.090
  • TO COME OUT OF THAT AND TALK A
  • 00:36:11.090 --> 00:36:12.000
  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
  • 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.030
  • HERE WE GO, "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:14.160
  • - MARYAM ROSTAMPOUR: WE DECIDED
  • 00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:19.280
  • TO DISTRIBUTE BIBLES FROM THE
  • 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:20.200
  • NORTH OF TEHRAN TO THE SOUTH OF
  • 00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:22.020
  • TEHRAN, AND WE HAD
  • 00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:24.050
  • TWO BACKPACKS.
  • 00:36:24.050 --> 00:36:25.010
  • EVERY NIGHT WE WOULD PACK OUR
  • 00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:28.230
  • BACKPACKS WITH ABOUT 140
  • 00:36:28.230 --> 00:36:29.110
  • NEW TESTAMENTS AND PUT THOSE
  • 00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:30.170
  • NEW TESTAMENTS IN
  • 00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:31.020
  • - MARZIYEH AMIRIZADEH: BESIDE
  • 00:36:35.100 --> 00:36:36.290
  • THAT, WE HAD TWO HOUSE CHURCHES.
  • 00:36:36.290 --> 00:36:38.260
  • ONE OF THEM WAS AMONG
  • 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:39.180
  • PROSTITUTES, AND THE OTHER ONE
  • 00:36:39.180 --> 00:36:40.100
  • AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.
  • 00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:41.090
  • - KARL: EVENTUALLY, THOUGH, YOU
  • 00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:42.270
  • WERE ARRESTED.
  • 00:36:42.270 --> 00:36:43.110
  • WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
  • 00:36:43.110 --> 00:36:45.150
  • - MARYAM: WHEN THEY ARRESTED
  • 00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:46.180
  • US, FIRST, THEY TRANSFERRED US
  • 00:36:46.180 --> 00:36:48.000
  • TO A POLICE STATION.
  • 00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:51.040
  • I REMEMBER, THE FIRST DAY, WE
  • 00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:52.040
  • HAD LONG HOURS OF INTERROGATION
  • 00:36:52.040 --> 00:36:53.250
  • BY OUR FIRST INTERROGATOR.
  • 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:55.220
  • HE THREATENED US TO PHYSICAL
  • 00:36:55.220 --> 00:36:56.220
  • TORTURE.
  • 00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:58.030
  • HE SENT US TO A VERY DARK AND
  • 00:36:58.030 --> 00:36:59.180
  • DIRTY CELL IN A BASEMENT AND
  • 00:36:59.180 --> 00:37:01.060
  • TOLD US THAT "YOU SHOULD GIVE US
  • 00:37:01.060 --> 00:37:02.280
  • ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR
  • 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.250
  • FRIENDS, YOUR ACTIVITIES AS
  • 00:37:04.250 --> 00:37:06.040
  • CHRISTIANS, YOUR NETWORK, THE
  • 00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:08.100
  • PEOPLE WHOM YOU WORK WITH, AND
  • 00:37:08.100 --> 00:37:10.270
  • ESPECIALLY THE NAME OF THOSE
  • 00:37:10.270 --> 00:37:12.120
  • PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOUR
  • 00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:13.150
  • HOUSE CHURCHES."
  • 00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:14.160
  • AND HE THREATENED US.
  • 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:17.090
  • HE TOLD US THAT "WE WILL BEAT
  • 00:37:17.090 --> 00:37:18.030
  • YOU UNTIL YOU VOMIT BLOOD."
  • 00:37:18.030 --> 00:37:19.180
  • - KARL: YOU BELIEVE THAT?
  • 00:37:19.180 --> 00:37:21.010
  • "THEY WILL BEAT YOU UNTIL YOU
  • 00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:21.220
  • VOMIT BLOOD."
  • 00:37:21.220 --> 00:37:23.200
  • THEY WERE IN JUST A DARK CELL,
  • 00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:28.010
  • TORTURED AND INTERROGATED
  • 00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:28.200
  • AND THEN THEY WERE PUT IN EVIN
  • 00:37:31.240 --> 00:37:32.150
  • PRISON, WHICH IS VERY WELL KNOWN
  • 00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:34.110
  • IN IRAN, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT
  • 00:37:34.110 --> 00:37:36.000
  • THEY WOULD GO THERE BECAUSE
  • 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.030
  • THEY WERE JUST CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:42.170
  • BUT THAT JAIL HAD ALL SORTS OF
  • 00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:43.190
  • MURDERERS, PEOPLE IN TERRIBLE
  • 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:45.130
  • SITUATION, BUT ALSO POLITICAL
  • 00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:48.210
  • ACTIVISTS, ANYBODY THAT STOOD
  • 00:37:48.210 --> 00:37:51.150
  • AGAINST THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT.
  • 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.080
  • THEY WERE THERE FOR NINE MONTHS,
  • 00:37:53.080 --> 00:37:54.200
  • AND THEY, AGAIN, WERE--
  • 00:37:54.200 --> 00:37:57.130
  • - TOM: WERE THEY TOGETHER
  • 00:37:57.130 --> 00:37:58.080
  • IN PRISON?
  • 00:37:58.080 --> 00:37:58.210
  • - KARL: YEAH, THEY WERE
  • 00:37:58.210 --> 00:37:59.160
  • I SHOULD'VE FILLED THAT PIECE
  • 00:38:01.180 --> 00:38:02.180
  • OF THE STORY IN.
  • 00:38:02.180 --> 00:38:04.280
  • THEY BOTH WENT TO TURKEY.
  • 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.280
  • THEY'RE, SORT OF, SENT TO TURKEY
  • 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:06.210
  • BY THEIR OWN SEPARATE-- THEY HAD
  • 00:38:06.210 --> 00:38:07.260
  • SOME CONNECTIONS WITH
  • 00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:09.030
  • CHRISTIANS, AND THEY WERE
  • 00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:10.070
  • TRAINED IN TURKEY, THEN THEY
  • 00:38:10.070 --> 00:38:11.210
  • CAME BACK FROM TURKEY AND
  • 00:38:11.210 --> 00:38:12.140
  • STARTED TO WORK TOGETHER.
  • 00:38:12.140 --> 00:38:13.140
  • THEY DISTRIBUTED 20.000 BIBLES
  • 00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:15.220
  • ACROSS TEHRAN.
  • 00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:17.040
  • THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE.
  • 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:18.190
  • - JANE: THEY'D GO OUT AT NIGHT
  • 00:38:18.190 --> 00:38:20.060
  • WITH BACKPACKS, AS SHE SAID IN
  • 00:38:20.060 --> 00:38:20.290
  • THE CLIP, AND I THINK THEY PUT
  • 00:38:20.290 --> 00:38:23.150
  • 140 IN A BACKPACK EACH NIGHT AND
  • 00:38:23.150 --> 00:38:25.200
  • JUST PUT THEM IN LETTER BOXES
  • 00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:27.010
  • UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS.
  • 00:38:27.010 --> 00:38:28.050
  • - KARL: AND THE VIEWERS
  • 00:38:28.050 --> 00:38:30.070
  • NEED TO WATCH THIS.
  • 00:38:30.070 --> 00:38:30.230
  • WHEN MARYAM TELLS THAT PIECE OF
  • 00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:31.200
  • THE STORY, AS SHE TALKS ABOUT
  • 00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:33.060
  • GOING OUT AT NIGHT IN A
  • 00:38:33.060 --> 00:38:34.250
  • DANGEROUS PLACE TO DISTRIBUTE
  • 00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:36.260
  • THESE BIBLES, THERE'S THIS
  • 00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:38.170
  • SMILE THAT JUST BREAKS OUT
  • 00:38:38.170 --> 00:38:40.140
  • ACROSS HER FACE.
  • 00:38:40.140 --> 00:38:41.030
  • - TOM: YEAH, I REMEMBER.
  • 00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:42.040
  • - KARL: IT WAS SPECIAL FOR HER.
  • 00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:43.030
  • IT WAS SIGNIFICANT FOR HER.
  • 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:44.200
  • AND THE REASON THEY'RE OUT, THEY
  • 00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:45.280
  • REASON THEY GOT OUT WAS BECAUSE
  • 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.040
  • PEOPLE WROTE.
  • 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:49.240
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WROTE.
  • 00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:51.130
  • THEY GOT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
  • 00:38:51.130 --> 00:38:52.190
  • OF LETTERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD
  • 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:53.210
  • AS THEIR STORY GOT OUT.
  • 00:38:53.210 --> 00:38:54.180
  • AND THEY WERE INTERVIEWED
  • 00:38:54.180 --> 00:38:55.270
  • TOWARDS THE END BY A
  • 00:38:55.270 --> 00:38:57.020
  • GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.
  • 00:38:57.020 --> 00:38:57.190
  • THEY'D SEEN THE GOVERNMENT
  • 00:38:57.190 --> 00:38:58.200
  • OFFICIAL ON TELEVISION.
  • 00:38:58.200 --> 00:38:59.280
  • THEY DIDN'T KNOW HIM PERSONALLY,
  • 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.080
  • BUT THEY'D SEEN HIS FACE, AND
  • 00:39:01.080 --> 00:39:02.200
  • WHEN THEY GET INTO THIS ROOM
  • 00:39:02.200 --> 00:39:04.050
  • WHERE THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL IS
  • 00:39:04.050 --> 00:39:06.000
  • TALKING TO THEM TOWARDS THE END
  • 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:06.240
  • OF THEIR TIME, HE SAYS, "HAVE
  • 00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:07.240
  • YOU BEEN TO ROME?"
  • 00:39:07.240 --> 00:39:09.130
  • AND THEY SAID, "NO, WE HAVE
  • 00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:10.120
  • NEVER BEEN TO ROME."
  • 00:39:10.120 --> 00:39:11.030
  • AND HE SAID,
  • 00:39:11.030 --> 00:39:12.090
  • "WELL, HOW COME THE POPE
  • 00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:13.080
  • SENT US A LETTER?"
  • 00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:13.240
  • SO, YOU KNOW, AND THE IRANIAN
  • 00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:15.200
  • GOVERNMENT, THE PRESSURE FROM
  • 00:39:16.090 --> 00:39:19.090
  • PEOPLE LIKE THE POPE AND AVERAGE
  • 00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:21.150
  • CHRISTIANS WRITING LETTERS
  • 00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:23.270
  • MEANT THAT THEY'RE RELEASED,
  • 00:39:23.270 --> 00:39:24.270
  • AND, YET THE MOST POIGNANT PIECE
  • 00:39:24.270 --> 00:39:26.070
  • IN THIS WHOLE INTERVIEW IS WHEN
  • 00:39:26.070 --> 00:39:28.080
  • I SAID TO MARZIYEH AND MARYAM, I
  • 00:39:29.110 --> 00:39:32.110
  • SAID, "SO WHAT'S IT LIKE
  • 00:39:32.110 --> 00:39:33.030
  • TO BE FREE?"
  • 00:39:33.030 --> 00:39:33.260
  • I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE
  • 00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:35.000
  • PHYSICALLY TORTURED,
  • 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.160
  • BUT THEY WERE CERTAINLY
  • 00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:37.230
  • EMOTIONALLY TORTURED.
  • 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:38.220
  • BUT AS I SAID, "SO WHAT WAS IT
  • 00:39:38.220 --> 00:39:40.280
  • LIKE TO LEAVE?"
  • 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:41.180
  • AND MARZIYEH CAN'T SPEAK FOR TWO
  • 00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:45.260
  • MINUTES 'CAUSE SHE BASICALLY
  • 00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:47.100
  • SAYS, "YOU KNOW, OUR FRIENDS ARE
  • 00:39:47.100 --> 00:39:50.030
  • STILL THERE, AND WE LOVE THEM,
  • 00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:51.190
  • AND ONE OF OUR FRIENDS, A
  • 00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.240
  • KURDISH POLITICAL ACTIVIST FOR
  • 00:39:53.240 --> 00:39:55.270
  • THE WOMEN OF KURD, NOT LONG
  • 00:39:55.270 --> 00:39:57.030
  • AFTER OUR RELEASED
  • 00:39:57.030 --> 00:39:58.170
  • WAS EXECUTED."
  • 00:39:58.170 --> 00:39:59.020
  • TWENTY-EIGHT-YEAR-OLD, I THINK
  • 00:39:59.020 --> 00:40:01.240
  • SHE WAS-- BECAUSE SHE WAS
  • 00:40:01.240 --> 00:40:02.210
  • ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACT
  • 00:40:02.210 --> 00:40:03.150
  • POLITICALLY WITHIN THIS PRISON,
  • 00:40:03.150 --> 00:40:05.210
  • AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S-- THAT STORY
  • 00:40:05.210 --> 00:40:06.260
  • HAS TO CHANGE YOU.
  • 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.000
  • IT HAS TO DO SOMETHING IN YOU.
  • 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.100
  • IT HAS TO REMIND YOU OF THE
  • 00:40:14.230 --> 00:40:17.230
  • IMPORTANCE OF THE MESSAGE OF
  • 00:40:17.230 --> 00:40:18.220
  • JESUS, AND IT HAS TO CHALLENGE
  • 00:40:18.220 --> 00:40:21.210
  • EACH OF US THAT WE HAVE A TASK
  • 00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:23.110
  • TO TAKE IT TO THE ENDS
  • 00:40:23.110 --> 00:40:25.060
  • OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:40:25.060 --> 00:40:26.030
  • - TOM: YOU KNOW, KARL, I THINK
  • 00:40:26.030 --> 00:40:27.080
  • SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IN THIS,
  • 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:28.000
  • IT MAY JUST GO RIGHT BY OUR
  • 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.000
  • AUDIENCE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE
  • 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:29.220
  • THAT WE BRING TO LIGHT.
  • 00:40:29.220 --> 00:40:30.210
  • THESE TWO GIRLS HAVE RISKED
  • 00:40:30.210 --> 00:40:33.040
  • THEIR LIVES, NOT RISKED
  • 00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:34.080
  • THEIR FAITH.
  • 00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:36.070
  • THEY'VE RISKED THEIR LIVES.
  • 00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:38.000
  • THEY'RE PASSING OUT 140 BIBLES A
  • 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.120
  • NIGHT, PUTTING THEM IN MAILBOXES
  • 00:40:40.130 --> 00:40:43.130
  • OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING ALONG
  • 00:40:43.130 --> 00:40:44.060
  • THE WAY, AND THERE THEY ARE
  • 00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:47.160
  • IN PRISON, AND ALL OF A
  • 00:40:47.160 --> 00:40:48.200
  • SUDDEN, SOMEBODY FINDS OUT ABOUT
  • 00:40:48.200 --> 00:40:49.150
  • THEIR PREDICAMENT AND WHAT
  • 00:40:49.150 --> 00:40:51.100
  • HAPPENS.
  • 00:40:51.100 --> 00:40:52.260
  • OTHER BELIEVERS RALLY.
  • 00:40:53.180 --> 00:40:56.180
  • NOW, THEY WROTE A LETTER.
  • 00:40:56.180 --> 00:40:58.070
  • IT'S NOT THAT THEY RAN THE
  • 00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.040
  • PRISON OVER.
  • 00:41:00.040 --> 00:41:02.220
  • THEY DIDN'T BREAK THE DOORS
  • 00:41:02.220 --> 00:41:04.080
  • DOWN, BUT THE WROTE LETTERS, AND
  • 00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:06.100
  • IT REACHED TO THE OFFICE OF THE
  • 00:41:06.100 --> 00:41:08.170
  • POPE, AND THE POPE HIMSELF SENT
  • 00:41:08.170 --> 00:41:10.050
  • A LETTER, "HAVE YOU BEEN TO
  • 00:41:10.050 --> 00:41:11.070
  • ROME?"
  • 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:12.230
  • THAT WAS YOUR EXPRESSION?
  • 00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:13.170
  • BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:41:13.170 --> 00:41:14.150
  • HOW MANY HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS
  • 00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:16.070
  • OF OTHER LETTERS FROM BELIEVERS
  • 00:41:16.070 --> 00:41:18.000
  • JUST LIKE YOU SITTING AT HOME
  • 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.260
  • RIGHT NOW, SO OFTEN WE FEEL LIKE
  • 00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:22.090
  • WE CAN CONTRIBUTE NOTHING, AND
  • 00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:24.150
  • THERE WE ARE, JUST THE ABILITY
  • 00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:26.070
  • TO WRITE A LETTER THAT "I'VE
  • 00:41:26.070 --> 00:41:28.000
  • HEARD OF THE SITUATION, AND IT
  • 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:28.240
  • NEEDS TO STOP."
  • 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:30.130
  • WE HEAR ABOUT RELIGIOUS
  • 00:41:30.130 --> 00:41:32.130
  • PERSECUTION IS AT AN
  • 00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:34.170
  • ALL-TIME HIGH AROUND THE WORLD.
  • 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:35.100
  • YOU'RE WITNESSING IT FIRSTHAND
  • 00:41:35.100 --> 00:41:36.060
  • WHILE YOU'RE TRAVELING.
  • 00:41:36.060 --> 00:41:37.140
  • HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT?
  • 00:41:37.140 --> 00:41:38.170
  • WE'VE GOT TO GO TO THE ENDS OF
  • 00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:40.180
  • THE EARTH.
  • 00:41:40.180 --> 00:41:41.050
  • WE'VE GOT TO WRITE THE LETTERS.
  • 00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:42.130
  • WE'VE GOT TO CARE.
  • 00:41:42.130 --> 00:41:43.160
  • WE'VE GOT TO GIVE.
  • 00:41:43.160 --> 00:41:44.170
  • WE'VE GOT TO SEND.
  • 00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:45.160
  • SOMETIMES WE'VE GOT TO WATCH TO
  • 00:41:45.160 --> 00:41:47.030
  • BE INFORMED.
  • 00:41:47.030 --> 00:41:49.190
  • WE CAN AT LEAST WATCH, WE CAN
  • 00:41:49.190 --> 00:41:50.270
  • WRITE A LETTER, WE CAN GIVE, WE
  • 00:41:50.270 --> 00:41:52.170
  • CAN DO SOMETHING.
  • 00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:54.010
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER" REMINDS
  • 00:41:54.010 --> 00:41:55.250
  • US OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS
  • 00:41:55.250 --> 00:41:58.040
  • BELIEVERS TO BE ALL ABOUT THE
  • 00:41:58.040 --> 00:42:00.130
  • KINGDOM BUSINESS, AND IT'S SO
  • 00:42:00.130 --> 00:42:02.060
  • IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO
  • 00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:03.090
  • THAT.
  • 00:42:03.090 --> 00:42:04.030
  • KARL AND JANE, TALK TO US ABOUT
  • 00:42:04.060 --> 00:42:07.060
  • SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTRY.
  • 00:42:07.060 --> 00:42:08.030
  • WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
  • 00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:09.130
  • NAGASAKI.
  • 00:42:09.130 --> 00:42:10.080
  • WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
  • 00:42:10.080 --> 00:42:11.000
  • IRELAND.
  • 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:12.030
  • WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT--
  • 00:42:12.030 --> 00:42:13.080
  • WELL, THIS INTERVIEW WAS DONE IN
  • 00:42:13.080 --> 00:42:14.250
  • THE UNITED STATES.
  • 00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:16.190
  • THAT WAS IRAN.
  • 00:42:16.190 --> 00:42:18.150
  • TELL US SOME MORE.
  • 00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:19.200
  • WHAT ELSE IS UP?
  • 00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:22.120
  • - KARL: JANE WILL TELL YOU
  • 00:42:22.120 --> 00:42:24.040
  • ABOUT NIGERIA AND HASSAN JOHN.
  • 00:42:24.040 --> 00:42:25.020
  • - JANE: OH, WELL, WE ACTUALLY
  • 00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:25.230
  • DIDN'T GO INTO NIGERIA.
  • 00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:26.170
  • WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
  • 00:42:26.170 --> 00:42:27.140
  • TAKING OUR CAMERA CREW INTO
  • 00:42:27.140 --> 00:42:28.140
  • SO WE ACTUALLY FILMED IN ACCRA,
  • 00:42:30.230 --> 00:42:31.270
  • IN GHANA, AND WE HAD A GENTLEMAN
  • 00:42:31.270 --> 00:42:34.140
  • CALLED HASSAN JOHN COME FROM
  • 00:42:34.140 --> 00:42:36.150
  • SO WE INTERVIEWED HIM THERE.
  • 00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:43.260
  • HE HAS AN AMAZING STORY.
  • 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:44.230
  • JUST, CAME FROM A VERY TOUGH
  • 00:42:44.230 --> 00:42:46.220
  • UPBRINGING, WENT TO A CHRISTIAN
  • 00:42:46.220 --> 00:42:47.260
  • SCHOOL-- AND THAT WAS
  • 00:42:47.260 --> 00:42:49.270
  • MIRACULOUS-- NURTURED IN HIS
  • 00:42:49.270 --> 00:42:52.030
  • AND HE BECOMES A CHRISTIAN AND
  • 00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:57.190
  • TRAINS AND IS NOW A PASTOR IN A
  • 00:42:57.190 --> 00:42:59.210
  • VERY TOUGH SPOT IN NIGERIA
  • 00:42:59.210 --> 00:43:01.180
  • CALLED JOS, A CITY, IN JOS,
  • 00:43:01.180 --> 00:43:04.100
  • WHERE IT'S REALLY AT THAT FLASH
  • 00:43:04.100 --> 00:43:06.090
  • POINT OF THE MUSLIM NORTH AND
  • 00:43:06.090 --> 00:43:08.220
  • THE CHRISTIAN SOUTH, AND THERE'S
  • 00:43:08.220 --> 00:43:09.200
  • AND HE'S NOW A PASTOR AND
  • 00:43:13.100 --> 00:43:14.140
  • OVERSEES AND ENCOURAGES OTHER
  • 00:43:14.140 --> 00:43:17.100
  • PASTORS THAT ARE IN THAT-- THAT
  • 00:43:17.100 --> 00:43:18.240
  • ARE REALLY DOING MINISTRY IN
  • 00:43:18.240 --> 00:43:19.170
  • THAT NORTHERN NIGERIA AREA.
  • 00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:20.150
  • IT IS ANOTHER AMAZING STORY THAT
  • 00:43:20.150 --> 00:43:23.130
  • YOUR VIEWERS REALLY WILL WANNA
  • 00:43:23.130 --> 00:43:24.080
  • WATCH.
  • 00:43:24.080 --> 00:43:26.270
  • - TOM: THAT'S INTERESTING
  • 00:43:26.270 --> 00:43:27.160
  • BECAUSE, IN OUR LIFETIME,
  • 00:43:27.160 --> 00:43:28.180
  • NIGERIA WAS ONCE A PRETTY STRONG
  • 00:43:28.180 --> 00:43:31.030
  • PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PREACH THE
  • 00:43:31.080 --> 00:43:34.080
  • GOSPEL FROM-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:43:34.080 --> 00:43:35.220
  • BENSON IDAHOSA.
  • 00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:38.240
  • THERE WAS A LOT OF VERY STRONG--
  • 00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:40.030
  • AND THERE'S STILL SOME VERY
  • 00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:40.260
  • LARGE CHURCHES.
  • 00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:41.250
  • - JANE: YEAH, IN THE SOUTH,
  • 00:43:41.250 --> 00:43:42.190
  • VERY STRONG CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:43:42.190 --> 00:43:43.200
  • - KARL: THE TENSION IN NIGERIA,
  • 00:43:43.200 --> 00:43:45.270
  • AS JANE IS SAYING, THAT THE
  • 00:43:45.270 --> 00:43:46.230
  • NORTH IS MUSLIM.
  • 00:43:46.230 --> 00:43:49.210
  • LIKE, IN SAHARA, IN AFRICA, IN
  • 00:43:49.210 --> 00:43:50.200
  • THE NORTH PART OF AFRICA IS
  • 00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:52.080
  • STILL A VERY MUSLIM PART OF THE
  • 00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:53.140
  • WORLD, AND THEN THERE'S THE
  • 00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:55.240
  • SOUTH, SUB-SAHARA AFRICA IS
  • 00:43:55.240 --> 00:43:57.270
  • MORE A CHRISTIAN KIND OF--
  • 00:43:57.270 --> 00:43:59.280
  • THERE'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF
  • 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.050
  • CHRISTIANS, BUT THOSE TWO MEET,
  • 00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:03.100
  • AND ONE OF THE PLACES THEY
  • 00:44:03.100 --> 00:44:04.080
  • MEET-- AND IF YOU CAN IMAGINE,
  • 00:44:04.080 --> 00:44:05.200
  • THERE'S ENORMOUS TENSION WHERE
  • 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:07.080
  • THEY MEET, AND ONE OF THEM IS
  • 00:44:07.080 --> 00:44:09.220
  • JOS IN NIGERIA WHERE HASSAN JOHN
  • 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.020
  • IS THE PASTOR, AND IT'S
  • 00:44:11.240 --> 00:44:14.240
  • REMARKABLE, I MEAN, WHEN HE SAYS
  • 00:44:14.240 --> 00:44:16.030
  • THAT WHEN HIS BISHOP OF THAT
  • 00:44:16.030 --> 00:44:18.000
  • AREA ORDAINS AND SENDS OUT THE
  • 00:44:18.270 --> 00:44:21.270
  • WORKERS, THE CHURCH WORKERS IN
  • 00:44:21.290 --> 00:44:24.290
  • THAT AREA, HE SAYS, "THESE MEN
  • 00:44:24.290 --> 00:44:26.090
  • HAVE SIGNED THEIR
  • 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:27.110
  • DEATH CERTIFICATE."
  • 00:44:27.110 --> 00:44:28.000
  • THESE MEN ARE GOING OUT,
  • 00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:31.160
  • AND THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY--
  • 00:44:31.160 --> 00:44:32.210
  • HASSAN JOHN SAYS,
  • 00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:33.060
  • "EVERY DAY I COME HOME,
  • 00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:33.290
  • I THANK GOD FOR ANOTHER DAY."
  • 00:44:33.290 --> 00:44:35.230
  • YOU KNOW, I SOMETIMES HEAR
  • 00:44:38.140 --> 00:44:41.140
  • DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CHURCH
  • 00:44:41.140 --> 00:44:42.080
  • LEADERS WORRYING ABOUT
  • 00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:43.050
  • WHETHER THEY SHOULD TRAVEL
  • 00:44:43.050 --> 00:44:43.250
  • COACH OR BUSINESS,
  • 00:44:43.250 --> 00:44:45.100
  • WHICH IS A FAIR DISCUSSION.
  • 00:44:45.100 --> 00:44:46.070
  • IT'S A REASONABLE
  • 00:44:46.070 --> 00:44:47.070
  • DISCUSSION TO HAVE,
  • 00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:47.260
  • BUT SOMETIMES I THINK THAT
  • 00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:49.240
  • THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE--
  • 00:44:49.240 --> 00:44:51.210
  • I SAID TO HASSAN JOHN,
  • 00:44:51.210 --> 00:44:52.240
  • "SO, HASSAN, WHAT MESSAGE WOULD
  • 00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:54.000
  • YOU HAVE TO THE WEST, THE CHURCH
  • 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.010
  • IN THE WEST?"
  • 00:44:55.010 --> 00:44:56.010
  • AND HE SAID, "DON'T GIVE UP WHAT
  • 00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:58.170
  • WE'RE DYING FOR IN NIGERIA."
  • 00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:01.000
  • SO JUST WANT YOU TO THINK
  • 00:45:01.210 --> 00:45:04.210
  • ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:09.010
  • LET ME TELL THE VIEWERS ABOUT
  • 00:45:09.010 --> 00:45:11.100
  • ANOTHER GUY I MET, AND HIS NAME
  • 00:45:11.100 --> 00:45:12.020
  • WAS EMMAUS.
  • 00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:12.140
  • HE'S A KEY LEADER IN A CHURCH IN
  • 00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:13.110
  • ETHIOPIA, WHICH HAS 45 TO 50
  • 00:45:13.110 --> 00:45:15.090
  • MILLION PEOPLE INVOLVED, THIS
  • 00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:16.200
  • AND EMMAUS' STORY IS THAT HIS
  • 00:45:20.200 --> 00:45:22.270
  • DAD WASN'T MARRIED, MET A
  • 00:45:22.270 --> 00:45:24.000
  • WOMAN-- IT'S A LONG, COMPLICATED
  • 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.260
  • STORY WHICH WE WON'T GO INTO,
  • 00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:27.090
  • BUT, BASICALLY, THREATENED HER
  • 00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:28.070
  • WITH A KNIFE IF SHE DIDN'T MARRY
  • 00:45:28.070 --> 00:45:29.110
  • HIM-- NOT THE MOST ROMANTIC
  • 00:45:29.270 --> 00:45:32.270
  • PROPOSAL THE WORLD HAS EVER
  • 00:45:32.270 --> 00:45:33.200
  • SEEN-- GOES HOME WITH HER.
  • 00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:35.120
  • HE'S A DRUNK; HE'S HOPELESS.
  • 00:45:35.120 --> 00:45:36.160
  • THE FIRST CHILD DIES.
  • 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:41.240
  • WHEN THE FIRST CHILD BETWEEN
  • 00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:43.060
  • THIS COUPLE IS DYING, THEY GO TO
  • 00:45:43.060 --> 00:45:45.070
  • A WITCH DOCTOR, AND THE WITCH
  • 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:46.250
  • DOCTOR SAID, "WELL, ACTUALLY,
  • 00:45:46.250 --> 00:45:47.250
  • YOU GOTTA PAY ME MONEY, AND IF
  • 00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:48.200
  • YOU DON'T PAY ME MONEY, YOUR
  • 00:45:48.200 --> 00:45:49.100
  • AND, IN FACT, SO IS
  • 00:45:52.070 --> 00:45:52.230
  • YOUR NEXT CHILD.
  • 00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:53.140
  • AND EMMAUS' PARENTS DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:45:53.140 --> 00:45:54.150
  • WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:54.270
  • THEY HAD NO MONEY.
  • 00:45:54.270 --> 00:45:55.170
  • THEY DIDN'T WANNA PAY, SO THEY
  • 00:45:55.170 --> 00:45:56.080
  • DIDN'T PAY.
  • 00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:56.200
  • THEY GO HOME WITH THE BABY, AND
  • 00:45:56.200 --> 00:45:57.120
  • THE BABY DIES.
  • 00:45:57.120 --> 00:45:58.140
  • BY THEN, SHE FALLS PREGNANT AND
  • 00:45:58.140 --> 00:46:00.140
  • HAS ANOTHER BABY, AND THIS IS
  • 00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:01.230
  • EMMAUS, AND SHE HAS EMMAUS, AND
  • 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.000
  • EMMAUS IS SICK, AND THEY GO TO
  • 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:06.230
  • THE WITCH DOCTOR, AND THE WITCH
  • 00:46:06.230 --> 00:46:08.000
  • DOCTOR SAID, "WELL, I TOLD YOU
  • 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.190
  • BEFORE, SAME THING'S
  • 00:46:09.190 --> 00:46:10.070
  • GONNA HAPPEN.
  • 00:46:10.070 --> 00:46:10.250
  • UNLESS YOU PAY ME MONEY, THIS
  • 00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:11.260
  • KID'S GONNA DIE."
  • 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:13.160
  • AND THEY GO HOME,
  • 00:46:13.160 --> 00:46:14.150
  • AND THEY'RE DESPERATE.
  • 00:46:14.150 --> 00:46:15.180
  • THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE.
  • 00:46:15.180 --> 00:46:16.090
  • THEY'VE GOT NOTHING.
  • 00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:17.150
  • AND SHE'S AT HOME, AND YOU CAN
  • 00:46:17.150 --> 00:46:18.260
  • IMAGINE THIS MUM: FIRST BABY HAS
  • 00:46:18.260 --> 00:46:20.250
  • DIED; SECOND BABY, SHE'S HOLDIN'
  • 00:46:20.250 --> 00:46:21.170
  • IN HER ARMS.
  • 00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:23.250
  • SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
  • 00:46:23.250 --> 00:46:24.150
  • A NEIGHBOR COMES IN.
  • 00:46:24.150 --> 00:46:27.100
  • A NEIGHBOR WALKS IN AND SAYS,
  • 00:46:27.100 --> 00:46:30.100
  • "I JUST FELT I SHOULD
  • 00:46:30.100 --> 00:46:31.090
  • COME AND SEE YOU.
  • 00:46:31.090 --> 00:46:31.240
  • I'VE BEEN THINKIN' ABOUT COMIN'
  • 00:46:31.240 --> 00:46:32.210
  • AND SEEING YOU FOR A WHILE.
  • 00:46:32.210 --> 00:46:35.130
  • I JUST THOUGHT I'D COME AND SEE
  • 00:46:35.130 --> 00:46:37.210
  • YOU, AND HOW'RE YOU GOING?"
  • 00:46:37.210 --> 00:46:38.160
  • AND SHE EXPLAINS ABOUT THIS BABY
  • 00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:39.080
  • DYING AND HOW TERRIBLE IT IS,
  • 00:46:39.080 --> 00:46:40.070
  • AND THEN SHE SAID, "WELL, YOU
  • 00:46:40.070 --> 00:46:41.290
  • KNOW, JUST LAST WEEK, I GOT
  • 00:46:41.290 --> 00:46:43.080
  • INVOLVED WITH THIS NEW RELIGION,
  • 00:46:43.080 --> 00:46:45.180
  • FOLLOWING JESUS.
  • 00:46:45.180 --> 00:46:47.070
  • I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT,
  • 00:46:47.070 --> 00:46:48.070
  • BUT MAYBE THEY COULD HELP.
  • 00:46:48.070 --> 00:46:49.270
  • WHAT ABOUT IF WE COME OVER AND
  • 00:46:49.270 --> 00:46:52.010
  • PRAYED FOR YOU?"
  • 00:46:52.010 --> 00:46:53.040
  • AND THEY DID, AND EMMAUS IS
  • 00:46:53.040 --> 00:46:55.030
  • ALIVE, LEADING A CHURCH TODAY
  • 00:46:55.030 --> 00:46:56.120
  • BECAUSE THEY PRAYED BECAUSE
  • 00:46:56.180 --> 00:46:59.180
  • SOMEBODY-- EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW
  • 00:46:59.180 --> 00:47:01.010
  • NOTHING AND DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
  • 00:47:01.010 --> 00:47:03.050
  • THEY WERE VERY EXPERIENCED AND
  • 00:47:03.050 --> 00:47:03.260
  • HAD NO KNOWLEDGE, JUST TALKED TO
  • 00:47:04.270 --> 00:47:07.270
  • A FRIEND, CHANGED EMMAUS' LIFE,
  • 00:47:07.270 --> 00:47:08.190
  • CHANGIN' THE WORLD.
  • 00:47:08.190 --> 00:47:10.250
  • REMARKABLE STORY.
  • 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:13.110
  • - TOM: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:13.260
  • - KARL: I KNOW.
  • 00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:14.230
  • - TOM: I WANNA SHOW
  • 00:47:14.230 --> 00:47:16.220
  • YOU THIS CLIP.
  • 00:47:16.220 --> 00:47:17.130
  • THIS WAS TAKEN IN NAGASAKI.
  • 00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:19.080
  • THIS SHARES A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
  • 00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:20.060
  • THE JOURNEY OF FAITH
  • 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:20.250
  • COMING TO JAPAN.
  • 00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:23.060
  • - KARL: THIS IS
  • 00:47:32.130 --> 00:47:32.290
  • NAGASAKI HARBOR.
  • 00:47:32.290 --> 00:47:34.010
  • IT'S IN THE SOUTHWEST
  • 00:47:34.010 --> 00:47:34.180
  • REGION OF JAPAN.
  • 00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:37.250
  • NOW, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THE NAME
  • 00:47:37.250 --> 00:47:39.040
  • NAGASAKI BECAUSE IN THE SECOND
  • 00:47:39.040 --> 00:47:40.090
  • WORLD WAR, THIS WAS WHERE THE
  • 00:47:40.090 --> 00:47:42.180
  • SECOND ATOMIC BOMB WAS DROPPED
  • 00:47:42.180 --> 00:47:44.120
  • JUST ABOUT FIVE KILOMETERS
  • 00:47:44.120 --> 00:47:46.100
  • NORTH OF WHERE WE'RE STANDING
  • 00:47:46.100 --> 00:47:47.280
  • HERE, BUT NAGASAKI WAS ALSO
  • 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:49.060
  • IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WAS THE
  • 00:47:49.060 --> 00:47:50.110
  • FIRST PORT OPENED TO
  • 00:47:50.110 --> 00:47:50.290
  • FOREIGN TRADERS.
  • 00:47:52.010 --> 00:47:55.010
  • PORTUGUESE TRADERS USED THIS
  • 00:47:55.010 --> 00:47:56.020
  • PORT IN THE 16TH CENTURY BUT AS
  • 00:47:56.020 --> 00:47:58.050
  • DID JESUIT MISSIONARIES.
  • 00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:01.280
  • THIS WAS THE CENTER OF
  • 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.250
  • - KARL: YOU KNOW, IN ACTS
  • 00:48:18.060 --> 00:48:18.250
  • CHAPTER 1, VERSE 8, JESUS IS
  • 00:48:18.250 --> 00:48:19.260
  • RECORDED AS SAYING THAT "YOU'LL
  • 00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:21.120
  • BE MY WITNESSES TO THE VERY ENDS
  • 00:48:21.120 --> 00:48:23.170
  • OF THE EARTH," AND STANDING HERE
  • 00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:25.250
  • IN NAGASAKI AND THINKING ABOUT
  • 00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:27.230
  • WHERE THIS IS IN RELATION TO
  • 00:48:27.230 --> 00:48:29.200
  • WHERE JESUS STOOD WHEN HE SAID
  • 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:31.100
  • THOSE WORDS, THIS FEELS LIKE THE
  • 00:48:31.100 --> 00:48:32.060
  • END OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:48:32.200 --> 00:48:35.200
  • IT MIGHT ONLY BE EIGHT AND A
  • 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:36.130
  • HALF THOUSAND KILOMETERS IN A
  • 00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:38.020
  • DIRECT LINE FROM JERUSALEM TO
  • 00:48:38.020 --> 00:48:39.110
  • HERE, BUT THE ARDUOUS AND
  • 00:48:39.110 --> 00:48:41.150
  • DANGEROUS SEA JOURNEY WAS ABOUT
  • 00:48:41.150 --> 00:48:43.070
  • 25.000 KILOMETERS.
  • 00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:47.040
  • YOU KNOW, WITH JUST TWO DAYS'
  • 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:49.090
  • NOTICE, FRANCIS XAVIER BOARDED A
  • 00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:50.190
  • SHIP TO COME HERE TO TELL PEOPLE
  • 00:48:50.190 --> 00:48:52.260
  • ABOUT THE MESSAGE OF JESUS.
  • 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.000
  • - TOM: THE JESUITS WENT TO
  • 00:49:00.130 --> 00:49:01.040
  • JAPAN.
  • 00:49:02.070 --> 00:49:05.070
  • TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:49:05.070 --> 00:49:06.050
  • I KNOW YOU MENTIONED--
  • 00:49:06.050 --> 00:49:06.220
  • - KARL: YEAH, I MENTIONED-- I
  • 00:49:06.220 --> 00:49:07.140
  • MEAN, THE INTERESTING THING
  • 00:49:07.140 --> 00:49:08.140
  • ABOUT JAPAN AND WHY WE WENT
  • 00:49:08.140 --> 00:49:09.250
  • THERE WAS, A, THAT THE JESUITS
  • 00:49:09.250 --> 00:49:10.240
  • WENT THERE, FRANCIS XAVIER.
  • 00:49:10.240 --> 00:49:11.270
  • IN THE FIRST 50 YEARS, THEY
  • 00:49:11.270 --> 00:49:13.070
  • BELIEVED IT GREW TO ABOUT
  • 00:49:13.070 --> 00:49:14.130
  • 300.000 PEOPLE WHO WERE
  • 00:49:14.130 --> 00:49:15.210
  • FOLLOWERS OF JESUS IN THAT--
  • 00:49:15.260 --> 00:49:18.260
  • FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW,
  • 00:49:18.260 --> 00:49:20.250
  • NAGASAKI IS THE SOUTHERN/WESTERN
  • 00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:22.000
  • KIND OF TIP OF THE JAPANESE
  • 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:22.200
  • ISLANDS.
  • 00:49:22.200 --> 00:49:23.150
  • THEY GOT TO ABOUT 300.000.
  • 00:49:23.150 --> 00:49:24.280
  • NOW, THIS IS AT THE END OF THE
  • 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.200
  • 16TH CENTURY, AND THEY DECIDE
  • 00:49:26.200 --> 00:49:28.210
  • THAT THEY WANNA SHUT IT DOWN.
  • 00:49:28.210 --> 00:49:31.060
  • THE SHOGUN LEADERS DECIDE "THIS
  • 00:49:31.060 --> 00:49:32.120
  • IS A FOREIGN FAITH.
  • 00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:33.090
  • WE DON'T WANT ALL THESE
  • 00:49:33.090 --> 00:49:35.120
  • CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS AND
  • 00:49:35.120 --> 00:49:36.070
  • PEOPLE HERE."
  • 00:49:36.070 --> 00:49:36.280
  • SO THEY DECIDE TO MAKE A
  • 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.150
  • SPECTACLE OF SOME PEOPLE,
  • 00:49:38.150 --> 00:49:39.150
  • SO IN KYOTO, THEY ARRESTED A
  • 00:49:39.150 --> 00:49:41.210
  • GROUP OF PEOPLE, AND THEY
  • 00:49:41.210 --> 00:49:44.020
  • MARCHED THEM 770 KILOMETERS AS A
  • 00:49:45.090 --> 00:49:48.090
  • SPECTACLE ALL THE WAY TO
  • 00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:49.010
  • NAGASAKI.
  • 00:49:49.010 --> 00:49:49.180
  • WHEN THEY GOT TO NAGASAKI, THEY
  • 00:49:49.180 --> 00:49:51.140
  • HAD 26 CROSSES, THE SAME SORT OF
  • 00:49:51.140 --> 00:49:54.060
  • CROSS JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED ON,
  • 00:49:54.060 --> 00:49:56.090
  • 26 CROSSES LINED UP ON THE SIDE
  • 00:49:56.090 --> 00:49:59.030
  • OF THE HILL, AND THEY'RE GONNA
  • 00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.030
  • CRUCIFY THEM.
  • 00:50:01.030 --> 00:50:02.100
  • OF THE GROUP, TWO OF THEM WERE
  • 00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:04.070
  • TWO BOYS, PROBABLY BETWEEN THE
  • 00:50:04.070 --> 00:50:05.160
  • AGE OF 12 AND 14-- THEY DON'T
  • 00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:07.080
  • KNOW EXACTLY, BUT THEY THINK
  • 00:50:07.080 --> 00:50:08.260
  • ABOUT THAT AGE-- AND AFTER
  • 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:11.170
  • WALKING 770 KILOMETERS, KNOWING
  • 00:50:11.170 --> 00:50:12.270
  • THEY'RE WALKING TO THEIR DEATH,
  • 00:50:12.270 --> 00:50:15.060
  • AND ARRIVING IN NAGASAKI,
  • 00:50:15.060 --> 00:50:16.080
  • AND 1597, HERE'S 26 CROSSES
  • 00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:19.070
  • LINED UP ON THE SIDE OF
  • 00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:20.200
  • THE HILL, ONE OF THE BOYS WALKS
  • 00:50:20.200 --> 00:50:23.070
  • UP THE HILL, SEES THE CROSSES
  • 00:50:23.070 --> 00:50:25.110
  • AND SAYS, "SO WHICH ONE'S MINE?"
  • 00:50:25.110 --> 00:50:26.120
  • AND THE OTHER SAID,
  • 00:50:26.120 --> 00:50:27.240
  • "SHOW ME MINE."
  • 00:50:27.240 --> 00:50:29.070
  • THEY DIED THAT DAY, ALL 26
  • 00:50:29.070 --> 00:50:30.240
  • OF 'EM, AND ACTUALLY STARTED
  • 00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:32.100
  • AN ENORMOUS OPPRESSION AGAINST
  • 00:50:32.100 --> 00:50:34.210
  • CHRISTIANS IN JAPAN.
  • 00:50:34.210 --> 00:50:36.280
  • A SCHOLAR BELIEVES THAT, IN THE
  • 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.050
  • NEXT X-NUMBER OF YEARS, BETWEEN
  • 00:50:39.050 --> 00:50:40.110
  • FIVE- TO EIGHT THOUSAND
  • 00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:42.080
  • CHRISTIANS WERE EITHER CRUCIFIED
  • 00:50:42.080 --> 00:50:43.000
  • OR BEHEADED.
  • 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.140
  • - TOM: WHAT YEARS IS THIS?
  • 00:50:44.140 --> 00:50:45.040
  • I'M SORRY.
  • 00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:46.260
  • - KARL: THIS IS 1597 THEY WERE
  • 00:50:46.260 --> 00:50:48.010
  • EXECUTED, CRUCIFIED.
  • 00:50:48.010 --> 00:50:50.230
  • THE MAJOR OPPRESSION STARTED
  • 00:50:50.230 --> 00:50:53.040
  • AROUND 1603, 1610, THAT SORT OF
  • 00:50:55.120 --> 00:50:58.120
  • PERIOD OF TIME.
  • 00:50:58.120 --> 00:50:59.240
  • DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT LASTED,
  • 00:50:59.240 --> 00:51:00.180
  • TOM?
  • 00:51:00.180 --> 00:51:00.270
  • TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS.
  • 00:51:00.270 --> 00:51:01.230
  • AND IN 250 YEARS, ANYBODY WHO
  • 00:51:01.230 --> 00:51:03.140
  • WAS IN THAT AREA THAT WANTED TO
  • 00:51:03.140 --> 00:51:05.050
  • BE A CHRISTIAN, YOU COULDN'T BE
  • 00:51:05.050 --> 00:51:06.050
  • A CHRISTIAN, BUT YOU HAD TO
  • 00:51:06.050 --> 00:51:07.150
  • PROVE THAT YOU WEREN'T, EVERY
  • 00:51:07.150 --> 00:51:08.280
  • YEAR, AND THIS IS WHAT'S SO
  • 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.220
  • REMARKABLE ABOUT THIS STORY.
  • 00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:11.140
  • I JUST TOLD YOUR LISTENERS ABOUT
  • 00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:13.020
  • THIS.
  • 00:51:13.020 --> 00:51:13.270
  • SO 250 YEARS, YOU HAD TO PROVE
  • 00:51:13.270 --> 00:51:15.110
  • THAT YOU WEREN'T A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:51:15.110 --> 00:51:17.200
  • THE WAY YOU PROVE THAT YOU
  • 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:18.270
  • WEREN'T A CHRISTIAN IS YOU HAD
  • 00:51:18.270 --> 00:51:20.100
  • TO LINE UP AT THE TEMPLE, THE
  • 00:51:20.100 --> 00:51:21.130
  • BUDDHIST TEMPLE-- YOU WERE
  • 00:51:21.130 --> 00:51:22.180
  • SUPPOSED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE
  • 00:51:22.180 --> 00:51:23.090
  • BUDDHIST TEMPLE-- AND WHEN YOU
  • 00:51:23.090 --> 00:51:24.110
  • LINED UP AT THE BUDDHIST TEMPLE,
  • 00:51:24.110 --> 00:51:26.110
  • YOU HAD TO DEMONSTRATE YOU
  • 00:51:26.110 --> 00:51:27.250
  • WEREN'T A CHRISTIAN, AND YOU DID
  • 00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:29.010
  • IT BY THIS WAY: THERE WAS A
  • 00:51:29.010 --> 00:51:31.000
  • THING CALLED A FUMI-E, AND A
  • 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.030
  • FUMI-E WAS A BRASS PICTURE, AS
  • 00:51:33.030 --> 00:51:35.180
  • IT WERE A REPRESENTATION OF
  • 00:51:35.180 --> 00:51:37.150
  • JESUS AND OF MARY.
  • 00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:38.120
  • THEY HAD OTHER HOLY OBJECTS AS
  • 00:51:38.120 --> 00:51:39.290
  • WELL, BUT THESE WERE THE KEY,
  • 00:51:39.290 --> 00:51:41.100
  • AND YOU HAD TO LINE UP, GET YOUR
  • 00:51:41.100 --> 00:51:43.060
  • NAME TICKED OFF, AND YOU HAD TO
  • 00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:44.280
  • STEP FORWARD AND STAND ON THE
  • 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.110
  • FACE OF JESUS OR STAND ON THE
  • 00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:48.020
  • FACE OF MARY.
  • 00:51:48.020 --> 00:51:50.160
  • NOW, IF YOU SHOWED-- THEY WATCH
  • 00:51:50.180 --> 00:51:53.180
  • YOU VERY CLOSELY.
  • 00:51:53.180 --> 00:51:54.040
  • IF YOU SHOWED ANY SORT OF
  • 00:51:54.040 --> 00:51:55.190
  • RETICENCE TO DO THIS OR YOU
  • 00:51:55.190 --> 00:51:57.130
  • REFUSED TO DO IT, YOU WERE
  • 00:51:57.130 --> 00:51:59.100
  • TORTURED UNTIL YOU RECANTED, OR
  • 00:52:01.160 --> 00:52:04.160
  • YOU'RE KILLED.
  • 00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:07.000
  • IN FACT, THEY WERE SO BRUTAL
  • 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.000
  • THAT, IF YOU-- THEY KNEW THAT
  • 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.120
  • YOU WOULDN'T RECANT, SO THEY
  • 00:52:11.120 --> 00:52:12.230
  • WOULD TORTURE YOUR WIFE AND YOUR
  • 00:52:12.230 --> 00:52:14.130
  • FAMILY UNTIL YOU RECANTED.
  • 00:52:14.130 --> 00:52:16.050
  • THIS LASTED FOR 250 YEARS, AND
  • 00:52:16.050 --> 00:52:18.160
  • THERE WERE SEVEN GENERATIONS OF
  • 00:52:18.160 --> 00:52:20.220
  • HIDDEN CHRISTIANS THAT, WHEN
  • 00:52:20.220 --> 00:52:23.100
  • THEY HAD BUILT A CHURCH IN ABOUT
  • 00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:25.130
  • 1865, A CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR THE,
  • 00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:28.050
  • KIND OF, FOREIGNERS TO GATHER
  • 00:52:28.050 --> 00:52:29.250
  • IN, WHEN THEY OPENED THE CHURCH,
  • 00:52:29.250 --> 00:52:31.120
  • FAMILIES CAME FORWARD.
  • 00:52:31.120 --> 00:52:34.090
  • NOW, I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE THIS
  • 00:52:34.090 --> 00:52:36.090
  • CHOICE: YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF
  • 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:39.090
  • JESUS, AND YOU TURNED UP AT THE
  • 00:52:39.090 --> 00:52:40.210
  • BUDDHIST TEMPLE.
  • 00:52:40.210 --> 00:52:41.120
  • DO YOU STAND ON THE FACE OF
  • 00:52:41.120 --> 00:52:43.230
  • JESUS AND DENY YOUR FAITH, WHICH
  • 00:52:43.230 --> 00:52:45.160
  • MEANS THAT, IF YOU DON'T YOU
  • 00:52:47.070 --> 00:52:50.070
  • WERE TORTURED UNTIL YOU RECANT
  • 00:52:50.070 --> 00:52:52.080
  • OR DIED, OR DO YOU STAND ON THE
  • 00:52:52.080 --> 00:52:54.240
  • FACE OF JESUS AND GO HOME
  • 00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:55.260
  • WRACKED WITH GUILT?
  • 00:52:57.220 --> 00:53:00.240
  • IT'S A HORRIBLE CHOICE, AND
  • 00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:01.150
  • THESE PEOPLE DEALT
  • 00:53:01.150 --> 00:53:02.190
  • WITH THAT CHOICE.
  • 00:53:03.230 --> 00:53:06.230
  • TOM, THE THING IS THAT WE
  • 00:53:06.230 --> 00:53:07.170
  • CAN LOOK AT JAPAN AND GO,
  • 00:53:07.170 --> 00:53:08.140
  • "ONE PERCENT CHRISTIAN, WHAT
  • 00:53:08.140 --> 00:53:09.210
  • DOES IT MATTER?
  • 00:53:09.210 --> 00:53:10.160
  • YOU KNOW, SO INSIGNIFICANT,"
  • 00:53:10.160 --> 00:53:11.270
  • BUT, GOSH, WHAT A STORY.
  • 00:53:12.080 --> 00:53:15.080
  • WHAT A STORY OF COMMITMENT, OF
  • 00:53:15.080 --> 00:53:16.010
  • FAITH, OF BELIEF.
  • 00:53:16.010 --> 00:53:18.030
  • - TOM: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE
  • 00:53:18.030 --> 00:53:19.060
  • IT IS?
  • 00:53:19.060 --> 00:53:20.280
  • IT'S AN INDICATION THAT THE
  • 00:53:21.080 --> 00:53:24.080
  • FREEDOMS WE ENJOY, WE MAY NOT
  • 00:53:24.080 --> 00:53:25.250
  • ALWAYS HAVE.
  • 00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:27.140
  • THE FREEDOM THAT THEY HAD, THEY
  • 00:53:27.290 --> 00:53:30.290
  • LOST, AND SO THEY WENT TO A
  • 00:53:30.290 --> 00:53:32.020
  • PLACE WHERE THEY HAD CHURCHES
  • 00:53:32.020 --> 00:53:33.070
  • AND CELEBRATED THEM TO WHERE
  • 00:53:33.070 --> 00:53:34.260
  • THEY OBVIOUSLY STILL HAD
  • 00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:35.290
  • PICTURES OF JESUS AND MARY, BUT
  • 00:53:35.290 --> 00:53:37.140
  • THEY WERE BASICALLY MADE TO SPIT
  • 00:53:37.140 --> 00:53:39.050
  • ON 'EM, STEP ON 'EM, DEFACE
  • 00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:39.280
  • THEM, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.200
  • LISTEN, BELIEVERS, TBN FAMILY,
  • 00:53:43.290 --> 00:53:46.290
  • LET'S DON'T TAKE OUR FREEDOMS
  • 00:53:46.290 --> 00:53:48.210
  • FOR-- LET'S JUST DON'T TAKE IT
  • 00:53:49.150 --> 00:53:52.150
  • FOR GRANTED.
  • 00:53:52.150 --> 00:53:54.070
  • GOD'S GIVEN US AN
  • 00:53:54.070 --> 00:53:55.060
  • AMAZING COUNTRY.
  • 00:53:55.060 --> 00:53:56.080
  • HE'S GIVEN US AN AMAZING TIME.
  • 00:53:56.080 --> 00:53:58.150
  • WE HAVE THIS BROADCAST STATION
  • 00:53:58.150 --> 00:53:59.060
  • THAT'S REACHING AROUND THE
  • 00:53:59.060 --> 00:54:01.230
  • WORLD, 32 NETWORKS AROUND THE
  • 00:54:01.230 --> 00:54:02.140
  • WORLD IN 16 LANGUAGES, 24 HOURS
  • 00:54:02.140 --> 00:54:03.120
  • A DAY.
  • 00:54:03.120 --> 00:54:05.070
  • DON'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.
  • 00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:06.070
  • DON'T TAKE YOUR FAITH
  • 00:54:06.070 --> 00:54:07.110
  • FOR GRANTED.
  • 00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:09.200
  • USE WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU TO
  • 00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:11.140
  • SHARE WITH OTHERS.
  • 00:54:11.140 --> 00:54:12.210
  • WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A STAND.
  • 00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:14.260
  • LISTEN, THEY WERE WILLING TO
  • 00:54:14.260 --> 00:54:16.130
  • STAND IN FRONT OF WHAT YOU AND I
  • 00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:19.150
  • WOULD CALL AN IMPOSSIBLE
  • 00:54:19.150 --> 00:54:21.010
  • SITUATION, AN IMPOSSIBLE ODD,
  • 00:54:21.010 --> 00:54:22.020
  • BUT THEY STOOD.
  • 00:54:22.020 --> 00:54:23.050
  • WHEN YOU'VE DONE ALL THAT YOU
  • 00:54:23.050 --> 00:54:25.010
  • CAN DO, STAND.
  • 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:26.290
  • FOR THOSE OF YOU AT HOME RIGHT
  • 00:54:26.290 --> 00:54:28.290
  • NOW-- AND, BASICALLY, MAYBE IT'S
  • 00:54:28.290 --> 00:54:30.160
  • TIME THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
  • 00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:32.040
  • STANDING IN YOUR OWN HOME, YOU
  • 00:54:32.040 --> 00:54:33.110
  • HAVEN'T TAKEN THE STAND FOR
  • 00:54:33.110 --> 00:54:35.160
  • CHRIST, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN LIVING
  • 00:54:35.160 --> 00:54:37.110
  • OUT THE VALUES THAT YOU KNOW
  • 00:54:37.110 --> 00:54:38.180
  • YOU'RE CALLED TO LIVE OUT-- CAN
  • 00:54:38.180 --> 00:54:39.280
  • I REMIND YOU THAT GOD IS WELL
  • 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:41.280
  • ABLE, THAT THERE IS STRENGTH
  • 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.230
  • AVAILABLE TO YOU, THAT THERE IS
  • 00:54:43.230 --> 00:54:45.240
  • WISDOM AVAILABLE TO YOU?
  • 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:46.160
  • LET ME PRAY.
  • 00:54:46.160 --> 00:54:48.190
  • THERE'S A NUMBER ACROSS THE
  • 00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:50.120
  • BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:54:50.120 --> 00:54:51.040
  • IT'S A PRAYER LINE.
  • 00:54:51.040 --> 00:54:53.230
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:55.020
  • D LEADS THAT PRAYER LINE,
  • 00:54:55.020 --> 00:54:56.130
  • PASTOR D.
  • 00:54:56.130 --> 00:54:57.070
  • HE LOVES JESUS.
  • 00:54:57.180 --> 00:55:00.200
  • THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT
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  • PRAYER ROOM, THEY LOVE JESUS.
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  • THEY'RE REALLY THERE TO PRAY
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  • WITH YOU, TO STRENGTHEN YOU
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  • AND ENCOURAGE YOU.
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  • GO TO THAT NEXT STEP.
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  • CALL THAT NUMBER ON THE BOTTOM
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  • OF YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
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  • TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF
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  • PRAYER WITH THEM.
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  • REMIND YOURSELF, REMIND YOUR
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  • FAMILY, REFRESH YOUR FAITH AND
  • 00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:17.180
  • REMEMBER WHY WE'RE IN THIS TO
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  • THE ENDS OF THE EARTH.
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  • SEASON TWO OF "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER" IS COMING UP.
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  • WE WANT YOU TO WATCH THOSE.
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  • WE WANT YOU TO BE
  • 00:55:26.180 --> 00:55:27.190
  • CHALLENGED BY IT.
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  • WE WANT YOU TO BE REMINDED OF
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  • THE GOODNESS OF GOD THROUGH IT.
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  • WE WANT YOU TO KNOW JESUS MORE
  • 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.100
  • BECAUSE OF IT.
  • 00:55:32.100 --> 00:55:33.250
  • THAT'S WHY TBN IS.
  • 00:55:33.250 --> 00:55:36.220
  • THAT'S WHY THESE GUYS DO WHAT
  • 00:55:36.220 --> 00:55:38.060
  • THEY DO.
  • 00:55:38.060 --> 00:55:38.290
  • IT'S WHAT WE DO.
  • 00:55:38.290 --> 00:55:40.100
  • IT'S WHY TBN EXISTS.
  • 00:55:40.100 --> 00:55:41.130
  • KARL AND JANE, WE'VE GOT 40, 50
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  • SECONDS LEFT.
  • 00:55:43.100 --> 00:55:45.000
  • LAST THOUGHTS?
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  • - JANE: OH, I'D JUST LIKE TO
  • 00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:48.090
  • SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JESUS WARNED
  • 00:55:48.090 --> 00:55:49.160
  • US ABOUT THAT PERSECUTION THAT,
  • 00:55:49.160 --> 00:55:51.060
  • YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HATED HIM.
  • 00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:53.100
  • THEY WILL HATE US FOR OUR FAITH,
  • 00:55:53.100 --> 00:55:55.050
  • AND THE CHURCH GROWS UNDER
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  • PERSECUTION AND TOUGH TIMES, AND
  • 00:55:57.100 --> 00:55:58.200
  • GOD, BY HIS SPIRIT, IS WITH
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  • US IN THAT.
  • 00:56:00.260 --> 00:56:03.000
  • - KARL: LOOK, I THINK THE OTHER
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  • THING, TOM, IS THAT WE
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  • UNDERESTIMATE SOME OF THE THINGS
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  • THAT HAVE MADE THE
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  • MOST DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:56:07.030 --> 00:56:08.130
  • ONE OF THE EPISODES IS ACTUALLY
  • 00:56:10.190 --> 00:56:11.110
  • LOOKING UP BIBLE TRANSLATION.
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  • NOW, HERE'S MY THING: I ALWAYS
  • 00:56:12.130 --> 00:56:14.210
  • THOUGHT THAT BIBLE TRANSLATION
  • 00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:15.120
  • WAS "YEAH, IT'S A NICE
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  • THING TO DO."
  • 00:56:16.100 --> 00:56:16.260
  • BIBLE TRANSLATION CHANGED
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  • THE WORLD.
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  • I ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATED WHAT
  • 00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:20.020
  • MONKS IN MONASTERIES DO.
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  • I THOUGHT THEY WERE KIND OF
  • 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:23.100
  • INSULAR GUYS, A BIT
  • 00:56:23.100 --> 00:56:24.270
  • INTROSPECTIVE, THAT WANNA JUST
  • 00:56:24.270 --> 00:56:25.180
  • HANG TOGETHER.
  • 00:56:25.180 --> 00:56:26.190
  • THEY CHANGED THE WORLD.
  • 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.280
  • - TOM: "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER," PART TWO, COMIN' UP.
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  • THANK YOU, TBN.
  • 00:56:31.140 --> 00:56:33.160
  • WATCH, THE SECOND WEEK
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  • IN SEPTEMBER.
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