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August 30, 2018
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Tom Newman hosts Karl & Jane Faase.

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Praise | Karl & Jane Faase | 8/30/18

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  • - MALE: FOUR, THREE, TWO, ONE.
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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON
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  • "PRAISE," FROM LOS ANGELES,
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  • CALIFORNIA, CEO OF OLIVE TREE
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  • MEDIA AND TV PRESENTERS,
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  • KARL AND JANE FAASE.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW,
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  • TOM NEWMAN.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - TOM NEWMAN: WELCOME TO
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  • TONIGHT'S "PRAISE." YOU'RE HERE
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  • FOR NOT ONLY A VERY SPECIAL
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  • "PRAISE" EDITION, BUT A LAUNCH
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  • OF A BRAND-NEW SERIES.
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  • HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER HAD A
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  • TIME IN YOUR LIFE WHERE IT
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  • SEEMED EVERYTHING CHANGED?
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  • WE CALL THOSE MOMENTS
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  • "GAME-CHANGING MOMENTS."
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  • I HAVE SOME VERY SPECIAL
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  • GUESTS HERE TONIGHT,
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  • KARL AND JANE FAASE.
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  • WE'RE GONNA TALK TO YOU--
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • -- YUP--
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  • - JANE FAASE: THANK YOU, THANK
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  • YOU.
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  • - TOM: -- ABOUT A BRAND-NEW,
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  • ORIGINAL SERIES COMING RIGHT
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  • IT'S CALLED "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER."
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  • KARL, JANE, TELL 'EM JUST A
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  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THAT
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  • PROGRAM'S GONNA CHANGE THEIR
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  • LIVES.
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  • - KARL FAASE: WELL, "JESUS THE
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  • GAME CHANGER" WAS DEVELOPED OUT
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  • OF A CONCEPT THAT WE LIVE IN A
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  • COMMUNITY WHERE CHRISTIAN FAITH
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  • HAS MOVED FROM BEING SEEN AS A
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  • BIT IRRELEVANT, TO BEING SEEN AS
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  • DANGEROUS, AND THE INTRIGUING
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  • THING IS, HERE WE ARE IN WESTERN
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  • LIKE AUSTRALIA, LIKE ENGLAND,
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  • AND FAITH, WHICH IS SO
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  • FOUNDATIONAL, SUDDENLY HAS
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  • BECOME A DANGEROUS IDEA, AND
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  • WHAT DO YOU DO WITH DANGEROUS
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  • IDEAS?
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  • YOU PULL THEM OUT OF THE
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  • MARKETPLACE.
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  • JUST RECENTLY, A POSTER OF THE
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  • PREACHER GREG LAURIE WAS PULLED
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  • DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE
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  • OFFENDED BY A MAN HOLDING A
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  • BIBLE.
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  • WHERE HAVE WE GOT TO THAT SPACE,
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  • TOM?
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  • HOW HAVE WE GOT TO THE SPACE
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  • WHERE WE'VE MOVED TO JESUS BEING
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  • SEEN AS A DANGEROUS IDEA?
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  • AND WHAT "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER" DOES, IS IT
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  • DEMONSTRATES THAT THE VALUES
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  • THAT WESTERN DEMOCRACY IS BUILT
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  • ON, VALUES THAT NATIONS LIKE
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  • AMERICA WERE BUILT ON, DIDN'T
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  • INVENT THEMSELVES.
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  • THEY CAME FROM THE LIFE AND
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  • TEACHING OF JESUS.
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  • - TOM: NOW, KARL, I BELIEVE
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  • THAT.
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • BUT I THINK OUR AUDIENCE IS
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  • DETECTING THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY
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  • NOT AN AMERICAN.
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  • I'M JUST THINKIN' THEY MAY BE
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  • PICKIN' SOME OF THAT UP.
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  • JANE, YOU WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT A
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  • LITTLE BIT?
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  • - JANE: WELL, WE'RE ACTUALLY
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  • FROM DOWN UNDER.
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  • YEP, WE'RE FROM AUSTRALIA.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS THAT
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  • COME OUT OF AUSTRALIA.
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  • - KARL: TELL 'EM-- I HOPE THE
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  • AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE
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  • EVERY TIME I GO TO STARBUCKS AND
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  • ORDER A COFFEE AND THEY SAY,
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  • "WHAT'S YOUR NAME?"
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  • I SAY, "KARL," AND IT COMES BACK
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  • WITH "KYLE" ON IT.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • I TRIED TO CHANGE THAT ONE DAY,
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  • AND I SAID, "KARL" WITH AN
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  • AMERICAN ACCENT.
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  • IT CAME BACK WITH "CAROL" ON IT.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - TOM: YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOIN'
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  • THIS FOR A WHILE.
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  • ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY
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  • BEGAN TO SPEAK WITH ME ABOUT YOU
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  • AND WHAT YOU GUYS WERE DOING AND
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  • ABOUT YOUR CONTENT, AND THEN
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  • SOMETHING HAPPENED.
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  • I STARTED WATCHING SOME OF YOUR
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  • MATERIAL, AND WHAT I SAW WAS
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  • SOME OF THE WORLD'S BEST
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  • COMMUNICATORS.
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  • YOU'VE GOT CHRIS CAINE ON THERE,
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  • YOU'VE GOT ERIC METAXAS, A BUNCH
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  • OF FACES THAT I BEGAN TO
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  • RECOGNIZE, AND I SAID, "NOW,
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  • WAIT A MINUTE.
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  • WHO ARE THESE GUYS?"
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  • LET'S JUST WATCH A LITTLE BIO ON
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  • WHO KARL AND JANE FAASE ARE.
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  • LET'S WATCH THAT.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: KARL FAASE
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  • IS CEO OF OLIVE TREE MEDIA,
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  • WHICH PRODUCES PROGRAMS FOR
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  • CHRISTIAN MEDIA AND THE LOCAL
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  • CHURCH.
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  • KARL IS KNOWN ACROSS AUSTRALIA
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  • AS A SPEAKER WITH A SPECIAL
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  • INTEREST IN ENCOURAGEMENT AND
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  • MOTIVATION, LEADERSHIP, MINISTRY
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  • DEVELOPMENT, AND FAITH
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  • EXPLORATION.
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  • WITH MORE THAN 20 YEARS OF
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  • INVOLVEMENT IN MEDIA, KARL IS
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  • ONE OF AUSTRALIA'S MOST SEASONED
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  • CHRISTIAN RADIO AND TELEVISION
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  • PRESENTERS.
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  • HIS PROGRAMS ARE BROADCAST AND
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  • DISTRIBUTED IN THE U.S.A., U.K.,
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  • CANADA, FRANCE, GERMANY, AND
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  • NEW ZEALAND.
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  • JANE IS THE CREATIVE DIRECTOR OF
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  • OLIVE TREE MEDIA AND THE
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  • PRODUCER OF "JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER" AND "TOWARDS BELIEF."
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  • JANE'S ALSO SKILLED IN PROJECT
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  • MANAGEMENT, PHOTOGRAPHY, AND
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  • GRAPHIC DESIGN.
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  • SHE AND KARL ARE COMMITTED TO
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  • PRESENTING THE GOSPEL WITH
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  • BEAUTY, CREATIVITY, AND
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  • HIGH-QUALITY PRODUCTION, AND
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  • THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SEEING
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  • LIVES TRANSFORMED.
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  • - KARL: HE WANTS TO COME INTO
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  • YOUR HEART AND YOUR MIND AND
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  • CHANGE YOUR FUTURE.
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  • WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU MIGHT GO ON
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  • TO DO?
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  • BUT IT STARTS WITH YOU.
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  • - ANNOUNCER: KARL AND JANE
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  • FAASE, HERE ON "PRAISE."
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • - TOM: KARL, JANE, YOU SPOKE A
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  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONTROVERSY
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  • WITH FAITH, THE POSTER OF GREG
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  • LAURIE BEING TORN DOWN IN THE
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  • WESTERN SOCIETY.
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  • WHAT'S ALL THAT ABOUT?
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  • I'M NOT SURE, EXCEPT IT BECOMES
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  • DANGEROUS.
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  • BUT WHY IS JESUS THE GAME
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  • CHANGER?
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  • TELL US WHY, KARL.
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  • - KARL: WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT
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  • SOME OF THE VALUES OF OUR
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  • SOCIETY, THE THINGS THAT WE HOLD
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  • FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE KEY
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  • IDEAS IS ALL PEOPLE ARE OF EQUAL
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  • VALUE.
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  • ALL PEOPLE ARE OF EQUAL WORTH,
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  • THE IDEA OF EQUALITY OF ALL
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  • PEOPLE.
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  • WE TEND TO THINK THAT THAT'S
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  • WHAT EVERYBODY HAS ALWAYS
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  • THOUGHT AND NOW WHAT EVERYBODY
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  • AROUND THE WORLD THINKS NOW,
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  • THAT EVERYBODY IS OF EQUAL
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  • VALUE.
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  • IT WASN'T THE CASE IN JESUS'
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  • TIME, AND IT'S NOT THE CASE IN
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  • PLACES AROUND THE WORLD.
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  • IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION "WHY DO
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  • WE THINK THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE
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  • EQUAL?"
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  • -- I MEAN, IT'S A NICE IDEA, BUT
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  • WHY DO WE THINK THAT?
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  • BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE, SAY, AN
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  • ATHEISTIC WORLD VIEW THAT
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  • BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, THAT
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  • DOESN'T LOGICALLY GIVE YOU
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  • EQUALITY.
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  • THE THING THAT GIVES YOU
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  • EQUALITY IS THAT THERE'S A SPARK
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  • OF GOD IN EACH OF US, THAT OLD
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  • TESTAMENT IDEA AND--
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • THE AMAZING AND REMARKABLE THING
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  • ABOUT THAT, TOM, IS THIS: YOU
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  • TAKE A BROKEN, DISABLED CHILD,
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  • AND YOU PUT THEM AGAINST THE
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  • WEALTHIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD,
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  • WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY'RE OF
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  • EQUAL VALUE.
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  • NOW, WE MAY NOT GET THAT RIGHT.
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  • WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE IT
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  • WE MAY NOT TREAT PEOPLE WITH
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  • EQUALITY, BUT AT A FOUNDATIONAL
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  • LEVEL, THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE.
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  • WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?
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  • IT ACTUALLY CAME FROM AN OLD
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  • TESTAMENT CONCEPT IN THE LIFE
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  • AND TEACHING OF JESUS AND TAUGHT
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  • IN THE EARLY CHURCH, AND THAT,
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  • ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER
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  • VALUES, MEANS THAT JESUS CHANGED
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  • THE GAME.
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  • - JANE: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • - TOM: ONE OF THE JOYS OF MY
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  • JOB IS I GET TO HEAD UP SOME OF
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  • THE CONTENT AND DEVELOPMENT HERE
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  • AT TBN AND WORKING WITH MATT AND
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  • LAURIE AND HEARING THEIR IDEAS,
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  • AND THEN SEEING-- A LOT OF IDEAS
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  • ARE SUBMITTED HERE THAT WE
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  • CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY
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  • HUNDREDS, BUT WHEN YOUR IDEA
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  • CAME ACROSS, JUST THE TITLE,
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER"-- AND I
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  • REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE
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  • TO SIT DOWN WITH MATT AND I, AND
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  • BOB, RECENTLY IN DALLAS, AND HOW
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  • MATT SAID, "THIS ISN'T A SHOW.
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  • THIS IS A FRANCHISE.
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  • THIS SHOULD PERMEATE EVERY
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  • DIFFERENT AREA OF CULTURE."
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  • AND WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE
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  • IN SEASON 1,
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  • GETTING READY TO COME UP JUST
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  • A FEW WEEKS HERE, YOU BASICALLY
  • 00:07:09.030 --> 00:07:10.100
  • TOOK ON 13 DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
  • 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:12.230
  • SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JESUS
  • 00:07:12.250 --> 00:07:15.250
  • BEING A GAME CHANGER, IT'S NOT
  • 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:18.000
  • JUST IN ONE AREA OF SOCIETY.
  • 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.260
  • YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THE WORTH
  • 00:07:20.260 --> 00:07:22.040
  • OF AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT GOES
  • 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:23.070
  • FAR BEYOND THAT.
  • 00:07:23.070 --> 00:07:24.130
  • I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO,
  • 00:07:24.130 --> 00:07:26.090
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THAT
  • 00:07:26.090 --> 00:07:27.110
  • A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND
  • 00:07:27.110 --> 00:07:28.260
  • WORDS, I THOUGHT LET'S JUST
  • 00:07:28.260 --> 00:07:30.170
  • SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF JOSSY
  • 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:31.270
  • CHACKO'S STORY.
  • 00:07:31.270 --> 00:07:34.030
  • LET'S GO TO THAT ONE.
  • 00:07:34.030 --> 00:07:36.080
  • LET'S GO TO THAT ROLL-IN
  • 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:37.020
  • AND PLAY "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:07:37.020 --> 00:07:38.060
  • - KARL: WE WENT TO THE SNAKE
  • 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:49.250
  • CHARMERS' VILLAGE.
  • 00:07:49.250 --> 00:07:51.190
  • NOW, THEY ARE ACTUALLY ALMOST
  • 00:07:51.190 --> 00:07:52.100
  • - JOSSY CHACKO: YEAH.
  • 00:07:55.050 --> 00:07:55.220
  • - KARL: WHAT STATUS DO THEY
  • 00:07:55.220 --> 00:07:56.120
  • HAVE?
  • 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.000
  • - JOSSY CHACKO: WELL, THE CASTE
  • 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:58.270
  • SYSTEM IS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX.
  • 00:07:58.270 --> 00:08:00.090
  • I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE FOUR
  • 00:08:00.090 --> 00:08:01.030
  • HIGH CASTES.
  • 00:08:01.030 --> 00:08:03.190
  • BELOW THAT, THERE IS
  • 00:08:03.190 --> 00:08:04.140
  • UNTOUCHABLES, BUT THEN THE
  • 00:08:04.140 --> 00:08:05.230
  • UNTOUCHABLES ARE BROKEN DOWN TO
  • 00:08:05.230 --> 00:08:07.040
  • 3.200 SUBCASTES, AND THEN THERE
  • 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.000
  • ARE ACTUALLY ANIMALS THAT HAVE
  • 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.100
  • MORE STATUS THAN PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:12.290 --> 00:08:15.290
  • I MEAN, LIKE, COWS, ELEPHANTS,
  • 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:16.270
  • MONKEYS, SNAKES, RATS, THEY HAVE
  • 00:08:16.270 --> 00:08:18.070
  • MORE DIGNITY VALUE WORTH THAN
  • 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.120
  • PEOPLE, AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.290
  • YOU ARE REFERRED TO ARE
  • 00:08:23.290 --> 00:08:25.240
  • OUTCASTS, AND SO THEY ARE
  • 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.240
  • OUTSIDE EVEN THE UNTOUCHABLE
  • 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.010
  • CASTE, SO THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED
  • 00:08:30.010 --> 00:08:32.270
  • TO BE EVEN HUMAN BEINGS.
  • 00:08:33.010 --> 00:08:36.010
  • YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE ANIMALS
  • 00:08:36.010 --> 00:08:38.140
  • HAVE BETTER DIGNITY OR RESPECT
  • 00:08:38.140 --> 00:08:39.260
  • THAN THOSE PEOPLE.
  • 00:08:39.260 --> 00:08:40.200
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.050
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:08:46.150 --> 00:08:49.150
  • - TOM: THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD
  • 00:08:49.150 --> 00:08:50.280
  • WAY OF SHOWING, TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:08:50.280 --> 00:08:52.200
  • THE CASTE SYSTEM, TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.170
  • THE WORTH OF AN INDIVIDUAL.
  • 00:08:54.170 --> 00:08:57.120
  • YOU'RE ACTUALLY SITTING OUT
  • 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.290
  • THERE WITH THOSE SNAKES, SO TALK
  • 00:08:58.290 --> 00:09:01.200
  • TO ME ABOUT THAT SETUP AND HOW
  • 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:02.280
  • YOU GOT THERE.
  • 00:09:02.280 --> 00:09:04.060
  • - KARL: OH, JANE MIGHT TELL US
  • 00:09:04.060 --> 00:09:05.170
  • ABOUT-- HOW DID WE GET TO THE
  • 00:09:05.170 --> 00:09:06.170
  • SNAKE CHARMERS' VILLAGE, JANE?
  • 00:09:06.170 --> 00:09:07.190
  • - JANE: WELL, I MEAN, IT WAS A
  • 00:09:07.190 --> 00:09:08.220
  • FABULOUS OPPORTUNITY.
  • 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:10.200
  • THE SNAKE CHARMERS ARE THE
  • 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.130
  • LOWEST OF THE LOW IN THEIR CASTE
  • 00:09:14.130 --> 00:09:16.060
  • SYSTEM.
  • 00:09:16.060 --> 00:09:17.150
  • THEY'RE EVEN BELOW THE
  • 00:09:17.150 --> 00:09:18.120
  • UNTOUCHABLES.
  • 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.120
  • THEY'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED
  • 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:21.220
  • HUMAN, AND SO TO GO TO THE
  • 00:09:21.220 --> 00:09:24.010
  • SCHOOL THAT JOSSY HAS SET UP
  • 00:09:24.010 --> 00:09:26.010
  • WITH MANY INDIAN PEOPLE WORKING
  • 00:09:26.010 --> 00:09:28.010
  • THESE CHILDREN ARE GETTING AN
  • 00:09:30.040 --> 00:09:31.010
  • EDUCATION THAT THEY WOULD NEVER,
  • 00:09:31.010 --> 00:09:32.260
  • EVER HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
  • 00:09:32.260 --> 00:09:33.260
  • GET, AND SO THESE ARE THE
  • 00:09:35.010 --> 00:09:38.010
  • CHILDREN OF THE SNAKE CHARMERS,
  • 00:09:38.010 --> 00:09:38.230
  • SO WE MET THEM.
  • 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:39.180
  • THEY ACTUALLY CAME BECAUSE
  • 00:09:39.180 --> 00:09:40.230
  • THEY'RE SO THANKFUL FOR JOSSY
  • 00:09:41.150 --> 00:09:44.150
  • AND HIS MINISTRY TO COME INTO
  • 00:09:44.150 --> 00:09:46.030
  • THAT SMALL COMMUNITY AND JUST
  • 00:09:46.030 --> 00:09:47.170
  • REALLY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN.
  • 00:09:48.110 --> 00:09:51.110
  • IT'S JUST AN AMAZING THING, AND
  • 00:09:51.110 --> 00:09:52.100
  • IT REALLY TURNS THEIR LIFE
  • 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:53.110
  • AROUND, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:54.110
  • - KARL: IT'S REMARKABLE, TOM,
  • 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:55.240
  • BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE
  • 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.280
  • COMMUNITY AT LARGE WOULD GO,
  • 00:09:57.280 --> 00:09:59.090
  • "WOW, WHAT A GREAT THING.
  • 00:09:59.090 --> 00:09:59.280
  • THEY'RE TEACHING OUR KIDS."
  • 00:09:59.280 --> 00:10:01.020
  • THAT SCHOOL HAS BEEN-- ACTUALLY
  • 00:10:01.050 --> 00:10:04.050
  • TRIED TO BEING SHUT DOWN BY THE
  • 00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:04.270
  • LOCALS, NUMBERS OF TIMES,
  • 00:10:04.270 --> 00:10:06.110
  • BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO
  • 00:10:06.110 --> 00:10:07.220
  • GET AN EDUCATION BECAUSE THEY
  • 00:10:07.220 --> 00:10:08.280
  • DON'T WANT THEIR SLAVES
  • 00:10:08.280 --> 00:10:10.060
  • GOING OFF TO ANOTHER JOB,
  • 00:10:10.060 --> 00:10:11.100
  • AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT-- I'M NOT
  • 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:13.040
  • SUGGESTING ALL HINDUS ARE BAD
  • 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:15.030
  • PEOPLE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING
  • 00:10:15.030 --> 00:10:16.140
  • THAT INDIAN CULTURE DOESN'T CARE
  • 00:10:16.140 --> 00:10:18.010
  • FOR PEOPLE, BUT THE LOGICAL
  • 00:10:18.010 --> 00:10:19.260
  • OUTCOME OF HINDU PHILOSOPHY
  • 00:10:19.260 --> 00:10:22.010
  • LEADS TO NATURAL INEQUALITY.
  • 00:10:22.170 --> 00:10:25.170
  • NOW, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS: THEY
  • 00:10:25.170 --> 00:10:27.040
  • BELIEVE IN KARMA AND
  • 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:28.100
  • REINCARNATION, SO, IN OTHER
  • 00:10:28.100 --> 00:10:30.040
  • WORDS, YOU DON'T DIE.
  • 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:32.200
  • YOU JUST KEEP COMING BACK.
  • 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:33.230
  • THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT HOW YOU
  • 00:10:33.230 --> 00:10:34.240
  • COME BACK IS HOW YOU LIVED YOUR
  • 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.150
  • LAST LIFE.
  • 00:10:36.150 --> 00:10:37.160
  • SO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
  • 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:38.160
  • LOGICALLY: IF YOU'RE IN THE
  • 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:40.120
  • BRAHMIN CASTE, THE SMALL CASTE,
  • 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.140
  • THE WEALTHIEST CASTE, MOST
  • 00:10:42.140 --> 00:10:44.090
  • EDUCATED AND POWERFUL, WHAT DO
  • 00:10:44.090 --> 00:10:46.040
  • YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR POSITION IN
  • 00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:46.260
  • LIFE?
  • 00:10:46.260 --> 00:10:48.050
  • WELL, A TOTAL SENSE OF
  • 00:10:48.050 --> 00:10:48.280
  • ENTITLEMENT.
  • 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:50.130
  • I MEAN, "I DON'T KNOW I DID IN
  • 00:10:50.130 --> 00:10:51.210
  • MY LAST LIFE, BUT, BOY, IT
  • 00:10:51.210 --> 00:10:52.240
  • MUST'VE BEEN GOOD.
  • 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:53.200
  • AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DID IN
  • 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:54.240
  • YOUR LIFE, BUT IT MUST'VE BEEN
  • 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:55.150
  • BAD."
  • 00:10:55.150 --> 00:10:56.040
  • AND, AT ITS WORST, THE
  • 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:56.260
  • LOGICAL OUTCOME IS, AT ITS
  • 00:10:56.260 --> 00:10:58.200
  • WORST, "I'M ACTUALLY NOT GONNA
  • 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.060
  • HELP YOU IN THAT PLACE
  • 00:11:01.060 --> 00:11:02.170
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKIN' OUT YOUR
  • 00:11:02.170 --> 00:11:04.050
  • KARMA, AND I DON'T WANNA MESS
  • 00:11:04.050 --> 00:11:05.150
  • WITH YOUR KARMA.
  • 00:11:05.150 --> 00:11:06.210
  • - TOM: WOW.
  • 00:11:06.210 --> 00:11:07.170
  • - KARL: SO, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT
  • 00:11:07.170 --> 00:11:08.090
  • SUGGESTING--
  • 00:11:08.090 --> 00:11:09.160
  • - TOM: SO THE WAY IT SPINS OUT
  • 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:10.080
  • IS VERY DESTRUCTIVE.
  • 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.020
  • - KARL: IT IS ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:11:13.020 --> 00:11:14.070
  • DESTRUCTIVE.
  • 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:14.220
  • - TOM: YOU DON'T EVER BREAK
  • 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:15.120
  • OUT.
  • 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:16.140
  • - KARL: NO, WELL, UNLESS YOU--
  • 00:11:16.140 --> 00:11:17.230
  • THE IDEA IS YOU LIVE OUT YOUR
  • 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:19.130
  • PLACE IN THE CASTE SYSTEM, AND
  • 00:11:19.130 --> 00:11:21.050
  • IF YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF IT,
  • 00:11:21.050 --> 00:11:22.100
  • YOU'LL KIND OF COME BACK FURTHER
  • 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:23.270
  • UP THE PROCESS.
  • 00:11:23.270 --> 00:11:25.170
  • - JANE: THAT'S WHAT THEY
  • 00:11:25.170 --> 00:11:26.190
  • BELIEVE.
  • 00:11:26.190 --> 00:11:27.050
  • - KARL: AND THAT'S THE KIND OF
  • 00:11:27.050 --> 00:11:27.270
  • PHILOSOPHICAL BASE OF THAT GROUP
  • 00:11:27.270 --> 00:11:29.120
  • OF PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M
  • 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:32.280
  • SAYING THIS AS AN
  • 00:11:32.280 --> 00:11:33.130
  • AUSTRALIAN WESTERNER.
  • 00:11:33.130 --> 00:11:34.240
  • JOSSY AND ANOTHER INTELLECTUAL
  • 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.110
  • AUTHOR THAT WE ALSO INTERVIEWED
  • 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.240
  • VISHAL MANGELWADI,
  • 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.200
  • WHO'S BRILLIANT,
  • 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.090
  • BOTH OF THEM TALK ABOUT THEIR
  • 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:43.080
  • PEOPLE, THEIR CULTURE, THEIR
  • 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:43.280
  • BACKGROUND.
  • 00:11:43.280 --> 00:11:46.090
  • - TOM: WOW, BEAUTIFUL,
  • 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:46.270
  • BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:11:46.270 --> 00:11:47.270
  • SO, THAT'S NOT A TYPICAL
  • 00:11:47.270 --> 00:11:49.230
  • PREACHING SHOW.
  • 00:11:49.230 --> 00:11:51.150
  • YOU'RE SITTING ON THE GROUND
  • 00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:52.240
  • WITH SNAKES, AND YOU'RE--
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.010
  • - KARL: YEAH, THAT DOESN'T TEND
  • 00:11:55.010 --> 00:11:56.090
  • TO WORK OUT SO WELL WITH
  • 00:11:56.090 --> 00:11:57.050
  • PREACHING, NO.
  • 00:11:57.050 --> 00:11:59.000
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.020
  • - TOM: YEAH, SO, YOU PROBABLY
  • 00:12:00.020 --> 00:12:00.230
  • CAN'T GET YOUR CONGREGATION JUST
  • 00:12:00.230 --> 00:12:01.270
  • TO WALK WITH YOU TO ALL THESE
  • 00:12:01.270 --> 00:12:02.260
  • LOCATIONS AND DO THAT.
  • 00:12:02.260 --> 00:12:03.220
  • NOW, YOU HAVE PASTORED SOME AS
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:05.060
  • WELL, SO WHY THE JUMP TO THIS?
  • 00:12:05.060 --> 00:12:07.170
  • WHAT WAS HAPPENING, KARL, THAT
  • 00:12:07.170 --> 00:12:10.150
  • SAID, "I'VE GOT TO DO THIS"?
  • 00:12:10.150 --> 00:12:11.240
  • AND, JANE, YOU'RE KIND OF THE
  • 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.090
  • CREATIVE DIRECTOR THERE AT
  • 00:12:13.090 --> 00:12:15.060
  • OLIVE TREE MEDIA, SO WHY THIS?
  • 00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:16.200
  • WHAT WAS IT THAT SAID, "WE'VE
  • 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.050
  • GOT TO DO THIS," "WE HAVE NO
  • 00:12:18.050 --> 00:12:19.170
  • CHOICE"?
  • 00:12:19.170 --> 00:12:20.140
  • - KARL: AS I OPEN THE SHOW WITH
  • 00:12:20.140 --> 00:12:23.140
  • THIS CONCEPT THAT FAITH IS BEING
  • 00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:24.250
  • SEEN AS A DANGEROUS IDEA, WE
  • 00:12:24.250 --> 00:12:25.290
  • NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT IN OUR
  • 00:12:25.290 --> 00:12:27.240
  • COMMUNITY, BUT THE OTHER THING,
  • 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:29.160
  • TOO, IS THAT PREACHING SHOWS ARE
  • 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:31.020
  • BRILLIANT.
  • 00:12:31.020 --> 00:12:32.010
  • I'VE WATCHED THEM, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:12:32.010 --> 00:12:33.200
  • WONDERFUL, BUT WE NEED MORE THAN
  • 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:34.150
  • THAT, AND, OFTEN, WE NEED SOME
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:35.270
  • OTHER VOICES, AND WE TRIED TO
  • 00:12:35.270 --> 00:12:38.120
  • USE THIS IDEA, AND OUR DIRECTOR
  • 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.260
  • WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS, WHERE
  • 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:42.100
  • IT'S A BIT OF A JOURNEY, SO
  • 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:43.250
  • YOU'RE KIND OF FOLLOWING ME ON A
  • 00:12:43.250 --> 00:12:44.290
  • JOURNEY.
  • 00:12:44.290 --> 00:12:45.200
  • I DON'T TRY TO BE THE EXPERT.
  • 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.130
  • I DON'T TRY TO, KIND OF, GIVE
  • 00:12:47.130 --> 00:12:48.280
  • ALL THE ANSWERS.
  • 00:12:48.280 --> 00:12:50.260
  • THE IDEA IS TO SAY, "HEY, WE'RE
  • 00:12:50.260 --> 00:12:52.050
  • GONNA FIND THE BEST PEOPLE IN
  • 00:12:52.050 --> 00:12:53.260
  • THE WORLD, THE BEST PEOPLE IN
  • 00:12:53.260 --> 00:12:54.210
  • THE WORLD.
  • 00:12:54.210 --> 00:12:55.280
  • WE'RE GONNA GO TO WHERE THEY
  • 00:12:55.280 --> 00:12:57.130
  • ARE, AND WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM,
  • 00:12:57.130 --> 00:12:58.060
  • AND THEY'RE GONNA HELP US
  • 00:12:58.060 --> 00:12:59.180
  • THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND JANE
  • 00:12:59.180 --> 00:13:00.290
  • CAN TELL YOU ABOUT HOW WE FIND
  • 00:13:00.290 --> 00:13:02.260
  • WHERE TO LOCATE THEM AND WHERE
  • 00:13:02.260 --> 00:13:04.250
  • TO MEET THEM.
  • 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:05.220
  • - TOM: WELL, JUST ONE OF THE
  • 00:13:05.220 --> 00:13:07.020
  • THINGS BEFORE WE JUST TALK ABOUT
  • 00:13:07.020 --> 00:13:08.160
  • THE COMMUNICATORS BECAUSE YOU
  • 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:09.190
  • CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB.
  • 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:10.290
  • I NAMED JUST A FEW OF THE TBN
  • 00:13:10.290 --> 00:13:13.060
  • REGULARS, BUT, JANE, I'D LOVE
  • 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:14.220
  • YOU JUST TO TALK JUST A LITTLE
  • 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:16.060
  • BIT ABOUT THE LOCATIONS AND WHY
  • 00:13:16.060 --> 00:13:18.070
  • THOSE LOCATIONS BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:21.220
  • THERE'S ALWAYS A METHOD TO THE
  • 00:13:21.220 --> 00:13:23.000
  • MADNESS, SO THERE'S A REASON
  • 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.170
  • THAT YOU WENT THERE, SO WOULD
  • 00:13:24.170 --> 00:13:25.260
  • YOU JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:26.160
  • - JANE: WE HAVE A RESEARCHER
  • 00:13:28.250 --> 00:13:30.280
  • THAT DOES THE PRELIMINARY WORK
  • 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:32.180
  • FOR US, TO FIND OUT THE BEST
  • 00:13:32.180 --> 00:13:34.090
  • PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THAT
  • 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:35.270
  • HAVE WRITTEN BOOKS, THAT SPEAK,
  • 00:13:35.270 --> 00:13:38.100
  • THAT LECTURE IN THOSE FIELDS,
  • 00:13:38.100 --> 00:13:40.230
  • AND SO THEN WE REALLY JUST-- MY
  • 00:13:40.230 --> 00:13:43.080
  • JOB WAS TO COLD-CALL E-MAIL,
  • 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.170
  • JUST TO SAY, "LOOK, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:13:45.170 --> 00:13:47.050
  • WE'RE THIS SMALL PRODUCTION
  • 00:13:47.050 --> 00:13:49.040
  • COMPANY FROM AUSTRALIA.
  • 00:13:49.040 --> 00:13:51.210
  • WE WANNA PRODUCE THIS SERIES.
  • 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:52.120
  • WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AN
  • 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:53.050
  • INTERVIEW?"
  • 00:13:53.050 --> 00:13:53.220
  • AND I THINK WE APPROACHED ABOUT
  • 00:13:53.220 --> 00:13:56.130
  • 50 PEOPLE, AND WE ENDED UP
  • 00:13:56.130 --> 00:13:58.150
  • INTERVIEWING 34 PEOPLE ON THAT
  • 00:13:58.150 --> 00:14:00.110
  • SERIES, SO, INCREDIBLE THE WAY
  • 00:14:00.220 --> 00:14:03.220
  • GOD-- AND FOR ANYONE THAT HAS TO
  • 00:14:03.220 --> 00:14:05.290
  • ORGANIZE ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE,
  • 00:14:05.290 --> 00:14:07.290
  • YOU KNOW, A FILM CREW ISN'T A
  • 00:14:07.290 --> 00:14:10.080
  • SMALL DEAL TO GET AROUND THE
  • 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.130
  • WORLD, AND SO JUST THE WAY GOD
  • 00:14:12.130 --> 00:14:15.050
  • WENT BEFORE US IN SCHEDULING,
  • 00:14:15.050 --> 00:14:16.190
  • JUST, INTERVIEWS AND, JUST, IT
  • 00:14:16.190 --> 00:14:18.240
  • ALL DOVETAILING TOGETHER, IT
  • 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.240
  • WAS-- COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN THE
  • 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.140
  • WORK OF GOD, REALLY.
  • 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:23.130
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:14:28.030 --> 00:14:31.030
  • - TOM: I THINK ANYBODY IN THE
  • 00:14:31.030 --> 00:14:32.010
  • PRODUCTION WORLD, WE BASICALLY
  • 00:14:32.010 --> 00:14:33.250
  • SAY, "ANY TIME A MOVIE GETS MADE
  • 00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:35.080
  • IT'S A MIRACLE."
  • 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.120
  • IF YOU KNEW THE ANGST
  • 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.200
  • BEHIND GETTING SOMETHING OFF
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:40.260
  • THE GROUND, IT'S A GROUND VERY
  • 00:14:42.070 --> 00:14:45.070
  • FEW PEOPLE EVER DARE TO TREAD.
  • 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:45.290
  • I'LL JUST SAY IT THAT WAY.
  • 00:14:45.290 --> 00:14:47.260
  • BUT WHEN I STARTED TO SEE SOME
  • 00:14:47.260 --> 00:14:48.260
  • OF THE CLIPS, YOU WERE ALL OVER
  • 00:14:48.260 --> 00:14:50.280
  • THE WORLD.
  • 00:14:50.280 --> 00:14:52.070
  • YOU WERE IN ALL KINDS OF
  • 00:14:52.070 --> 00:14:53.080
  • CONDITIONS AND PLACES, AND THE
  • 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:54.250
  • THING THAT DREW ME TO THE
  • 00:14:54.250 --> 00:14:57.040
  • PRODUCTION AND TO THE MINISTRY
  • 00:14:57.040 --> 00:14:59.050
  • OF THIS WAS, IT WASN'T JUST THAT
  • 00:14:59.050 --> 00:15:01.170
  • YOU WENT TO LOCATIONS FOR
  • 00:15:01.170 --> 00:15:02.060
  • LOCATIONS' SAKE.
  • 00:15:02.060 --> 00:15:03.180
  • THEY SAID SOMETHING.
  • 00:15:03.180 --> 00:15:05.020
  • THAT LOCATION SAID SOMETHING.
  • 00:15:05.020 --> 00:15:06.150
  • THE PEOPLE YOU WERE TALKING TO
  • 00:15:06.150 --> 00:15:08.140
  • SAID SOMETHING, AND JESUS WAS
  • 00:15:08.140 --> 00:15:10.130
  • MAKING AN INDELIBLE MARK THERE
  • 00:15:10.130 --> 00:15:12.130
  • IN THAT LOCATION AND ON PEOPLE
  • 00:15:12.130 --> 00:15:14.210
  • THAT WOULD HEAR THIS, SO TALK A
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:17.040
  • LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SUBJECT
  • 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:19.000
  • MATTER OF THE 13 SUBJECTS THAT
  • 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.190
  • YOU TAKE ON IN THIS, KARL, AND
  • 00:15:20.190 --> 00:15:22.030
  • WHY YOU CHOSE THOSE BECAUSE WE
  • 00:15:22.030 --> 00:15:23.200
  • KNOW THAT THERE IS ALREADY
  • 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.100
  • SEASON 2 COMIN' AND SEASON 3
  • 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:26.070
  • COMING.
  • 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:27.030
  • WE KNOW THAT THIS HAS GOT LONG
  • 00:15:27.030 --> 00:15:28.260
  • LEGS, SO TALK ABOUT THAT A
  • 00:15:28.260 --> 00:15:29.260
  • LITTLE BIT AND HOW JESUS IMPACTS
  • 00:15:29.260 --> 00:15:31.290
  • EVERY SINGLE AREA OF LIFE.
  • 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.080
  • - KARL: YEAH, I STARTED OFF BY
  • 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.000
  • TALKIN' ABOUT EQUALITY, MAINLY
  • 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:38.250
  • BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS
  • 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:39.170
  • THAT, A, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT,
  • 00:15:39.170 --> 00:15:40.080
  • AND, B, IT'S SO FOUNDATIONAL TO
  • 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.000
  • BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHURCH,
  • 00:15:43.050 --> 00:15:44.060
  • THE EARLY CHURCH, AND EVEN THE
  • 00:15:44.060 --> 00:15:45.160
  • MONASTIC MOVEMENT, THAT KIND OF
  • 00:15:45.160 --> 00:15:47.250
  • TIME OF THE CHURCH FROM THE 5TH
  • 00:15:47.260 --> 00:15:50.260
  • CENTURY THROUGH THE 13TH
  • 00:15:50.260 --> 00:15:53.090
  • CENTURY, THAT WAS THE PLACE
  • 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:54.000
  • WHERE UNIVERSITIES STARTED.
  • 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.030
  • THAT'S THE PLACE THAT HOSPITALS
  • 00:15:55.030 --> 00:15:55.250
  • STARTED.
  • 00:15:55.250 --> 00:15:57.060
  • - TOM: YOU'RE SAYING, WITHOUT
  • 00:15:59.070 --> 00:15:59.280
  • JESUS, HOSPITALS WOULDN'T HAVE
  • 00:15:59.280 --> 00:16:00.210
  • STARTED?
  • 00:16:01.090 --> 00:16:04.090
  • - KARL: ESSENTIALLY, WHAT
  • 00:16:04.090 --> 00:16:04.280
  • HAPPENED WAS THAT THERE WERE THE
  • 00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:07.180
  • FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, WHO LISTENED
  • 00:16:07.180 --> 00:16:08.240
  • TO WHAT HE SAID AND THOUGHT,
  • 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:10.170
  • "WELL, AS FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, WE
  • 00:16:10.170 --> 00:16:11.220
  • NEED TO FOLLOW WHAT HE SAID,"
  • 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:12.130
  • AND IT'S NOT THAT JESUS SAID,
  • 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:13.170
  • "GO AHEAD AND START HOSPITALS."
  • 00:16:13.170 --> 00:16:14.190
  • JESUS SAID, "CARE FOR PEOPLE,"
  • 00:16:14.190 --> 00:16:15.220
  • "LOOK, IF WE FOLLOW THIS PERSON,
  • 00:16:17.190 --> 00:16:18.110
  • JESUS, WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, 'YOUR
  • 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:20.040
  • JOB IS TO TEACH THE LEAST OF
  • 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:22.050
  • THESE,' THEN THAT'S OUR JOB."
  • 00:16:22.050 --> 00:16:24.080
  • CAN I JUST TELL YOU, THERE WAS A
  • 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:25.250
  • GUY-- CONSTANTINE WAS THE ROMAN
  • 00:16:25.250 --> 00:16:27.070
  • EMPEROR, AND HE BROUGHT
  • 00:16:27.070 --> 00:16:29.100
  • CHRISTIANITY IN.
  • 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:31.180
  • I KNOW THIS IS HISTORY, AND IT
  • 00:16:31.180 --> 00:16:32.190
  • MIGHT SOUND DULL.
  • 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:33.240
  • JUST STAY WITH ME.
  • 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:34.120
  • HIS, KIND OF, GREAT COUSIN WAS A
  • 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.220
  • GUY CALLED JULIAN.
  • 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:38.100
  • HE'S KNOWN AS "JULIAN THE
  • 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:40.130
  • APOSTATE," WHICH IS A GREAT WAY
  • 00:16:40.130 --> 00:16:42.040
  • TO GO THROUGH HISTORY AS
  • 00:16:42.040 --> 00:16:42.250
  • NOW, JULIAN THE APOSTATE DECIDED
  • 00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:45.250
  • THAT HE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE
  • 00:16:45.250 --> 00:16:48.090
  • PAGAN, ROMAN PAGAN, RELIGION,
  • 00:16:48.090 --> 00:16:50.100
  • NOT CHRISTIANITY, SO HE WAS
  • 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:52.110
  • TRYING TO BASICALLY TURN THE
  • 00:16:52.110 --> 00:16:54.290
  • ROMAN EMPIRE FROM BEING
  • 00:16:54.290 --> 00:16:57.030
  • BASICALLY CHRISTIAN TO BACK TO
  • 00:16:57.030 --> 00:16:58.230
  • THE PAGAN TIMES, SO HE'S SAYING
  • 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:00.250
  • TO THE PAGAN PRIESTS-- AND THIS
  • 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:02.200
  • IS ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID TO
  • 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.040
  • THE PAGAN PRIESTS IS "LOOK,
  • 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:05.030
  • YOU'VE GOTTA GET OUT THERE AND
  • 00:17:05.030 --> 00:17:05.260
  • HELP PEOPLE.
  • 00:17:05.260 --> 00:17:06.230
  • YOU'VE GOTTA START SERVING
  • 00:17:06.230 --> 00:17:08.150
  • PEOPLE 'CAUSE NOW THE CHRISTIANS
  • 00:17:08.150 --> 00:17:09.240
  • ARE MAKING US LOOK BAD.
  • 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:10.200
  • THEY'RE NOT ONLY SERVING THEIR
  • 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:11.220
  • OWN POOR; THEY'RE SERVING OUR
  • 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.080
  • POOR.
  • 00:17:13.080 --> 00:17:15.210
  • YOU GET OUT THERE AND DO IT."
  • 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:16.160
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:17.250
  • YOU KNOW, AS STUDENTS OF HISTORY
  • 00:17:18.280 --> 00:17:21.280
  • WOULD KNOW-- THAT IT DIDN'T EVER
  • 00:17:22.100 --> 00:17:25.100
  • HAPPEN FOR TWO REASONS, ONE,
  • 00:17:25.100 --> 00:17:27.000
  • THAT JULIAN DIED-- THAT WAS A
  • 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.240
  • DRAWBACK-- BUT THE SECOND REASON
  • 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.270
  • IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IS THAT THEY
  • 00:17:30.270 --> 00:17:32.090
  • DIDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT.
  • 00:17:32.090 --> 00:17:34.020
  • THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:35.230
  • THAT THAT WAS THEIR JOB.
  • 00:17:35.230 --> 00:17:36.150
  • SO IT'S NOT THAT JESUS CAME TO
  • 00:17:36.150 --> 00:17:37.100
  • CHANGE MAJOR SOCIOLOGICAL SHIFTS
  • 00:17:37.100 --> 00:17:39.100
  • WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
  • 00:17:39.100 --> 00:17:40.060
  • JESUS CHANGED PEOPLE'S LIVES,
  • 00:17:40.060 --> 00:17:42.030
  • AND THEN PEOPLE SAID, "I WANNA
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.230
  • LIVE LIKE JESUS LIVED.
  • 00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:45.200
  • HOW DID HE LIVE?"
  • 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.140
  • WELL, HE CARED FOR PEOPLE, HE
  • 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:47.280
  • HEALED THE SICK, HE WAS THERE
  • 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:50.180
  • FOR THE POOR, HE REACHED OUT TO
  • 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:51.270
  • THE MARGINALIZED-- THAT'S OUR
  • 00:17:51.270 --> 00:17:52.190
  • JOB.
  • 00:17:52.190 --> 00:17:54.050
  • THAT CHANGED THEIR COMMUNITY.
  • 00:17:54.050 --> 00:17:55.260
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:17:59.010 --> 00:18:02.030
  • - TOM: I HEARD RECENTLY THAT,
  • 00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:03.090
  • WHEN JESUS TOLD SOME OF THE
  • 00:18:03.090 --> 00:18:05.250
  • STORIES THAT HE TOLD, HE WAS
  • 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:07.210
  • BASICALLY TURNING STORIES ON
  • 00:18:07.210 --> 00:18:09.060
  • THEIR HEAD, SO, AGAIN, JESUS
  • 00:18:09.060 --> 00:18:10.290
  • BEING A GAME CHANGER IN THE WAY
  • 00:18:10.290 --> 00:18:12.180
  • HE TOLD STORIES, ONE OF THE
  • 00:18:12.180 --> 00:18:13.280
  • EXAMPLES WAS THE STORY OF THE
  • 00:18:13.280 --> 00:18:15.120
  • PRODIGAL SON.
  • 00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:16.190
  • SO THE WAY THAT THAT STORY HAD
  • 00:18:16.190 --> 00:18:19.050
  • BEEN TOLD FOR GENERATIONS WAS,
  • 00:18:19.050 --> 00:18:21.230
  • WHEN THE SON CAME BACK, THE
  • 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:23.050
  • FATHER REJECTED HIM AND THREW
  • 00:18:23.050 --> 00:18:24.110
  • HIM AWAY AND SAID, "YOU HAVE NO
  • 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:26.080
  • PART WITH ME."
  • 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:27.050
  • JESUS SAID,
  • 00:18:27.050 --> 00:18:28.080
  • "NO, WHEN THE FATHER SAW HIM
  • 00:18:28.080 --> 00:18:30.140
  • FROM A LONG WAY OFF, HE BEGAN TO
  • 00:18:30.140 --> 00:18:32.230
  • RUN TOWARDS HIM, DEMONSTRATING
  • 00:18:32.230 --> 00:18:33.290
  • THE FATHER HEART OF GOD, AND
  • 00:18:33.290 --> 00:18:35.060
  • WHAT ELSE?
  • 00:18:35.060 --> 00:18:36.120
  • IT WAS FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:37.220
  • YOU KNOW, HE WAS LOST, BUT NOW
  • 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:38.170
  • HE'S FOUND.
  • 00:18:38.170 --> 00:18:41.000
  • HE'S COME BACK HOME.
  • 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.090
  • HE'S DEMONSTRATED FORGIVENESS.
  • 00:18:42.090 --> 00:18:44.150
  • LET'S WATCH THIS CLIP ON HASHIM
  • 00:18:44.150 --> 00:18:47.040
  • GARRETT, CALLED "FORGIVENESS."
  • 00:18:47.040 --> 00:18:48.290
  • - KARL: AS YOU GET IN THE
  • 00:18:48.290 --> 00:18:50.120
  • HOSPITAL AND YOU START TO
  • 00:18:50.120 --> 00:18:52.090
  • REALIZE THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS
  • 00:18:52.090 --> 00:18:53.260
  • CONDITION, WHEN DO YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:55.150
  • YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET BETTER?
  • 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:56.290
  • - HASHIM GARRETT: I KNEW
  • 00:18:56.290 --> 00:18:58.000
  • IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.050
  • I KNEW IT ONCE I CAME OUT OF THE
  • 00:18:59.050 --> 00:19:00.090
  • ICU, WHEN I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL
  • 00:19:00.090 --> 00:19:01.220
  • ROOM, 'CAUSE I CAN'T DESCRIBE
  • 00:19:01.220 --> 00:19:03.070
  • WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO NOT BE
  • 00:19:03.070 --> 00:19:04.180
  • ABLE TO SUSTAIN A SPINAL CORD
  • 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:06.170
  • INJURY, BUT I DIDN'T NEED A
  • 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:08.220
  • MEDICAL DEGREE TO KNOW THAT THIS
  • 00:19:08.220 --> 00:19:10.000
  • IS BAD.
  • 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:11.030
  • I CAN'T FEEL ANYTHING.
  • 00:19:11.030 --> 00:19:12.150
  • I CAN'T MOVE ANYTHING.
  • 00:19:12.150 --> 00:19:13.220
  • AND SO THE DOCTORS CAME IN AND
  • 00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:15.120
  • TOLD ME, "I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT
  • 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:17.260
  • YOU'RE GONNA BE PARALYZED FOR
  • 00:19:17.260 --> 00:19:18.270
  • THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."
  • 00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:19.160
  • AND THOSE WERE SOME OF
  • 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.120
  • THE LONGEST AND DARKEST
  • 00:19:21.120 --> 00:19:23.180
  • DAYS OF MY LIFE-- 15 YEARS OLD,
  • 00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:25.130
  • AND NOW I'M SO DEPRESSED,
  • 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:29.030
  • AND ALL I WANNA DO IS CRY,
  • 00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:30.260
  • AND THAT'S WHEN I BEGAN
  • 00:19:30.260 --> 00:19:32.220
  • GROWIN' MY HAIR, AND I WOULD
  • 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:34.040
  • JUST TWIST MY HAIR, AND I WOULD
  • 00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:35.010
  • CRY, AND THEN, SOME DAYS, I
  • 00:19:35.010 --> 00:19:37.030
  • WOULD THINK ABOUT REVENGE, BUT
  • 00:19:37.030 --> 00:19:38.000
  • THOSE WERE MY LOWEST MOMENTS.
  • 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.140
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:19:43.010 --> 00:19:46.010
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BRAND-NEW
  • 00:19:48.220 --> 00:19:49.230
  • TBN SERIES CALLED "JESUS THE
  • 00:19:49.230 --> 00:19:51.260
  • GAME CHANGER," AND THE CREATORS
  • 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:54.040
  • OF THAT CONTENT ARE RIGHT HERE,
  • 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:55.280
  • KARL AND JANE FAASE.
  • 00:19:55.280 --> 00:19:57.130
  • THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR BEIN' WITH
  • 00:19:57.130 --> 00:19:58.230
  • US.
  • 00:19:58.230 --> 00:19:59.110
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:19:59.110 --> 00:20:00.290
  • - JANE: THANK YOU FOR HAVING
  • 00:20:00.290 --> 00:20:02.090
  • US.
  • 00:20:02.090 --> 00:20:03.260
  • - KARL: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
  • 00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:04.220
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:20:04.220 --> 00:20:05.120
  • - TOM: TELL US ABOUT THAT
  • 00:20:05.120 --> 00:20:06.010
  • INTERVIEW.
  • 00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:06.240
  • THAT WAS HISTORIC.
  • 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:07.180
  • - KARL: WELL, HASHIM GARRETT
  • 00:20:07.180 --> 00:20:09.000
  • WAS IN THE GANGS OF BROOKLYN AS
  • 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:09.220
  • AND HE WAS HANGIN' OUT IN THE
  • 00:20:11.060 --> 00:20:12.040
  • GANGS OF BROOKLYN-- THERE'S SO
  • 00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:12.260
  • MUCH MORE TO IT, BUT LET ME GIVE
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:13.180
  • AND HE WAS HANGING AROUND THE
  • 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:17.000
  • GANGS.
  • 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:17.170
  • ONE OF THESE GANG MEMBERS SAID,
  • 00:20:17.170 --> 00:20:18.090
  • "HASHIM, RUN."
  • 00:20:18.090 --> 00:20:18.280
  • HE STARTED TO RUN.
  • 00:20:18.280 --> 00:20:19.190
  • HE WASN'T SURE WHY HE WAS
  • 00:20:19.190 --> 00:20:20.090
  • RUNNING.
  • 00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:21.040
  • HE TURNS AROUND.
  • 00:20:21.040 --> 00:20:22.070
  • THERE'S A GUY WITH A SUBMACHINE
  • 00:20:22.070 --> 00:20:23.100
  • GUN, ANOTHER GANG MEMBER,
  • 00:20:23.100 --> 00:20:24.250
  • UNLOADING IT AT HIM, AND AS HE
  • 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:26.110
  • RAN, HE FELT THIS PAIN IN HIS
  • 00:20:26.110 --> 00:20:27.070
  • BACK.
  • 00:20:27.070 --> 00:20:27.210
  • HE FELL IMMEDIATELY TO THE
  • 00:20:27.210 --> 00:20:29.100
  • GROUND AND KNEW SOMETHING
  • 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:30.090
  • SERIOUS WAS WRONG.
  • 00:20:30.090 --> 00:20:31.030
  • THAT LITTLE CLIP WAS WHEN HE
  • 00:20:31.030 --> 00:20:32.210
  • WENT TO A HOSPITAL AND WAS TOLD
  • 00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:34.050
  • THAT HE'D BE PARALYZED FOR THE
  • 00:20:34.050 --> 00:20:35.110
  • REST OF HIS LIFE AS A
  • 00:20:35.110 --> 00:20:36.010
  • AND HE'S SITTING IN A HOSPITAL,
  • 00:20:39.030 --> 00:20:40.000
  • HE'S TOTALLY DEPRESSED, HE'S
  • 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:40.280
  • TOTALLY BROKEN, AND HE'S
  • 00:20:40.280 --> 00:20:42.010
  • WONDERING WHAT HIS FUTURE IS.
  • 00:20:42.010 --> 00:20:43.000
  • HIS MOM-- HE WASN'T PARTICULARLY
  • 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.110
  • RELIGIOUS-- CAME IN ONE DAY AND
  • 00:20:44.110 --> 00:20:46.020
  • SAID, "HASHIM, I THINK YOU NEED
  • 00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:47.050
  • TO READ THIS," AND IT WAS THE
  • 00:20:47.050 --> 00:20:48.060
  • BIBLE, AND HE STARTED--
  • 00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:49.120
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:53.130
  • HE STARTS READING THE BIBLE.
  • 00:20:54.110 --> 00:20:57.110
  • HE STARTS READING ABOUT JESUS,
  • 00:20:57.110 --> 00:20:59.060
  • AND HE STARTS READING ABOUT
  • 00:20:59.060 --> 00:21:00.280
  • FORGIVENESS, AND JESUS SAYS, YOU
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:03.210
  • KNOW, "YOU DON'T JUST FORGIVE
  • 00:21:03.210 --> 00:21:05.230
  • FIVE TIMES, PETER"-- OR SEVEN
  • 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:07.040
  • TIMES, RATHER.
  • 00:21:07.040 --> 00:21:09.110
  • "YOU NEED TO FORGIVE SEVENTY
  • 00:21:09.110 --> 00:21:10.010
  • TIMES SEVEN."
  • 00:21:10.010 --> 00:21:10.140
  • AND HASHIM SAYS,
  • 00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:12.010
  • "I'M DOIN' THE MATH.
  • 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:13.020
  • THAT'S A LOT OF FORGIVENESS."
  • 00:21:13.020 --> 00:21:14.110
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:21:14.110 --> 00:21:16.260
  • AND THE INTERESTING THING IS
  • 00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:17.170
  • THAT HASHIM GOES ON AS A
  • 00:21:17.170 --> 00:21:18.260
  • 15-YEAR-OLD IN A HOSPITAL,
  • 00:21:18.260 --> 00:21:21.120
  • PARALYZED FOR THE REST OF HIS
  • 00:21:21.120 --> 00:21:23.090
  • LIFE, DISCOVERS, A, THAT HE
  • 00:21:23.090 --> 00:21:25.030
  • NEEDS THE FORGIVENESS OF JESUS,
  • 00:21:25.030 --> 00:21:26.070
  • AND, B, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE
  • 00:21:26.070 --> 00:21:28.170
  • NEEDS TO EXTEND THAT TO OTHER
  • 00:21:28.170 --> 00:21:30.020
  • PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE KID THAT
  • 00:21:30.020 --> 00:21:31.090
  • SHOT HIM.
  • 00:21:31.090 --> 00:21:32.080
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:21:35.280 --> 00:21:38.280
  • - TOM: DID HE FOLLOW UP WITH
  • 00:21:38.280 --> 00:21:39.200
  • HIM?
  • 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:41.110
  • DID HE EVER MEET THAT GUY THAT
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:42.230
  • DID SHOOT HIM?
  • 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:43.270
  • DID HE EVER HAVE--
  • 00:21:43.270 --> 00:21:44.120
  • - KARL: AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE'S
  • 00:21:44.120 --> 00:21:45.040
  • NEVER MET HIM.
  • 00:21:45.040 --> 00:21:46.060
  • THERE'S A BOOK CALLED
  • 00:21:46.060 --> 00:21:47.080
  • "FORGIVEN," IS IT, JANE?
  • 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:48.160
  • - JANE: "WHY FORGIVE?"
  • 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.170
  • - KARL: "WHY FORGIVE?"
  • 00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:50.060
  • AND WE FOUND HIS STORY IN THAT
  • 00:21:50.060 --> 00:21:50.290
  • BOOK.
  • 00:21:50.290 --> 00:21:51.160
  • WHAT HE DOES NOW IS HE ACTUALLY
  • 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:52.250
  • GOES AROUND SCHOOLS AND TALKIN'
  • 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:54.060
  • ABOUT WHY YOU SHOULD FORGIVE.
  • 00:21:54.060 --> 00:21:55.180
  • - JANE: YEAH, HE'S GOT AN
  • 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:57.040
  • AMAZING STORY.
  • 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:58.150
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:21:58.150 --> 00:22:01.030
  • - TOM: KARL, THERE'S LOTS OF
  • 00:22:01.030 --> 00:22:02.220
  • PEOPLE THAT HAVE STORIES ABOUT
  • 00:22:03.260 --> 00:22:06.260
  • HOW JESUS CAME AND CHANGED THEIR
  • 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:08.280
  • LIVES.
  • 00:22:08.280 --> 00:22:10.200
  • WE KNOW THAT.
  • 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:11.210
  • THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
  • 00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:13.040
  • JESUS CHANGED OUR LIVES.
  • 00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:14.140
  • JESUS CHANGED YOUR LIFE AT SOME
  • 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:15.170
  • POINT.
  • 00:22:15.170 --> 00:22:16.060
  • HE GOT AHOLD OF YOU, AND HERE
  • 00:22:16.060 --> 00:22:17.190
  • YOU SIT, NOW MAKING A SERIES
  • 00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:18.230
  • THAT'S GONNA REACH MILLIONS OF
  • 00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:20.170
  • PEOPLE, TELLING THEM ABOUT HOW
  • 00:22:20.170 --> 00:22:22.130
  • JESUS CAN CHANGE THEIRS, BUT
  • 00:22:22.130 --> 00:22:24.130
  • WHAT WOULD SAY TO SOMEONE WHO'S
  • 00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:25.230
  • TUNED IN RIGHT NOW?
  • 00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:27.080
  • "KARL, IT'S JUST--" THEY'RE
  • 00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:28.250
  • SAYING, "WELL, THAT'S GREAT THAT
  • 00:22:28.250 --> 00:22:30.030
  • HE DID THAT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE."
  • 00:22:30.030 --> 00:22:30.290
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE
  • 00:22:30.290 --> 00:22:33.070
  • WHO-- THEY NEED A GAME CHANGING
  • 00:22:33.070 --> 00:22:34.120
  • MOMENT IN THEIR LIFE?
  • 00:22:34.120 --> 00:22:36.140
  • - KARL: YEAH, I THINK I'D BE
  • 00:22:36.140 --> 00:22:38.050
  • SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY
  • 00:22:38.050 --> 00:22:39.180
  • KNOWS THAT THEY NEED TO GAME
  • 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:41.140
  • CHANGE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
  • 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.060
  • THERE'D BE SOME OF YOU WATCHING
  • 00:22:43.060 --> 00:22:44.040
  • THAT REALLY NEED TO KNOW THAT
  • 00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:45.080
  • THE GAME NEEDS TO CHANGE.
  • 00:22:45.080 --> 00:22:46.140
  • I MEAN, ALL OF US LOOK AT OUR
  • 00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:48.000
  • LIVES, AND THINGS AREN'T THE WAY
  • 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.240
  • WE WANT.
  • 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.120
  • THE PROBLEM IS WE THINK ABOUT
  • 00:22:51.120 --> 00:22:52.170
  • GOING TO CHURCH, AND WE THINK
  • 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:54.000
  • ABOUT TURNING UP TO AN
  • 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.110
  • AUDITORIUM OR A SMALL BUILDING,
  • 00:22:55.110 --> 00:22:56.280
  • AND WE GET THIS IMPRESSION THAT
  • 00:22:56.280 --> 00:22:58.040
  • GOD WANTS US TO COME INTO THE
  • 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:00.230
  • BUILDING AND ALMOST PLAY THE
  • 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:01.220
  • GAME OF CHURCH.
  • 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:04.000
  • THAT WOULD BE TO MISS THE POINT.
  • 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:04.220
  • THE POINT IS THAT JESUS ACTUALLY
  • 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:05.200
  • WANTS TO CHANGE THE GAME FOR
  • 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:06.100
  • YOU.
  • 00:23:06.100 --> 00:23:08.200
  • JESUS COMES IN AND WANTS TO
  • 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.130
  • CHANGE THE GAME, THAT YOU WOULD
  • 00:23:10.130 --> 00:23:11.130
  • BE A DIFFERENT PERSON, A NEW
  • 00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:12.160
  • PERSON, THAT THE FUTURE, THE
  • 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.130
  • PRESENT, WOULD ALL BE CHANGED IN
  • 00:23:13.130 --> 00:23:14.230
  • THE NAME AND BY THE POWER OF
  • 00:23:14.230 --> 00:23:16.280
  • JESUS, AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN
  • 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:18.090
  • BECAUSE WE END UP JUST BEING A
  • 00:23:18.090 --> 00:23:20.140
  • GOOD PERSON.
  • 00:23:20.140 --> 00:23:22.040
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:23:23.210 --> 00:23:26.210
  • IT DOESN'T HAPPEN JUST BECAUSE
  • 00:23:26.210 --> 00:23:28.120
  • WE'RE A GOOD PERSON OR WE'RE
  • 00:23:28.120 --> 00:23:29.290
  • BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, AND
  • 00:23:29.290 --> 00:23:31.160
  • I OFTEN, AS A PASTOR, HAD PEOPLE
  • 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:33.100
  • SAYIN' TO ME, "YEAH, LOOK, I
  • 00:23:33.100 --> 00:23:34.160
  • COME TO CHURCH, BUT I'M NOT THAT
  • 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:35.120
  • SORT OF PERSON.
  • 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:35.280
  • I'M NOT REALLY GOOD ENOUGH."
  • 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:36.270
  • WELL, GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:23:36.270 --> 00:23:37.200
  • NOBODY IS.
  • 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:38.100
  • THAT'S THE POINT.
  • 00:23:38.100 --> 00:23:41.030
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:44.250
  • THE POINT IS THAT WE NEED
  • 00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:47.080
  • SOMETHING TO CHANGE WITHIN US.
  • 00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:48.170
  • ONE OF THE STORIES WE TELL IS A
  • 00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:50.140
  • GUY CALLED WILLIAM WILBERFORCE--
  • 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:52.160
  • ABOLISHED SLAVERY, A REMARKABLE
  • 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.080
  • PERSON.
  • 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:54.090
  • HE WENT TO LONDON, INTO
  • 00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:57.190
  • PARLIAMENT, AS A 21-YEAR-OLD.
  • 00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:59.180
  • HE WASN'T A FOLLOWER OF JESUS--
  • 00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:00.210
  • WENT ON HOLIDAYS.
  • 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:02.130
  • CAME BACK A CHRISTIAN, A
  • 00:24:02.130 --> 00:24:03.190
  • FOLLOWER OF JESUS, BUT WAS
  • 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:05.000
  • TOTALLY DEPRESSED BECAUSE HE
  • 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.200
  • THOUGHT HE'D WASTED HIS LIFE.
  • 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:08.090
  • HE GOES TO SEE JOHN NEWTON, AND
  • 00:24:08.090 --> 00:24:10.110
  • JOHN NEWTON SAYS, "NO, YOU'RE IN
  • 00:24:10.110 --> 00:24:11.160
  • THE RIGHT PLACE.
  • 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.180
  • YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT TIME."
  • 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:15.150
  • AND HE GOT--
  • 00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:16.030
  • WHAT HE FELT WHEN HE LEFT,
  • 00:24:16.030 --> 00:24:17.140
  • HE WAS GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE
  • 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:18.040
  • IN LIFE, A SECOND CHANCE IN
  • 00:24:18.040 --> 00:24:19.050
  • LIFE TO GIVE HIMSELF TO THE
  • 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:22.080
  • ABOLITION OF SLAVERY AND TO GIVE
  • 00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:23.260
  • HIMSELF TO THE REFORMATION OF
  • 00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:25.110
  • ENGLAND, A NEW START, A SECOND
  • 00:24:25.110 --> 00:24:26.040
  • CHANCE OF LIFE.
  • 00:24:26.040 --> 00:24:27.080
  • JESUS CHANGED THE GAME FOR
  • 00:24:27.080 --> 00:24:28.170
  • WILLIAM WILBERFORCE, ONE, THAT
  • 00:24:28.170 --> 00:24:29.230
  • HE KNEW JESUS FOR ETERNITY, BUT,
  • 00:24:29.230 --> 00:24:31.200
  • TWO, THAT HE BECAME THE GAME
  • 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.170
  • CHANGER, AND THE GREAT NEWS IS
  • 00:24:33.170 --> 00:24:35.240
  • THAT JESUS DOESN'T JUST COME AND
  • 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.180
  • CHANGE THE GAME IN EACH OF US SO
  • 00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:39.160
  • THAT WE WOULD GET TO HEAVEN BY
  • 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:40.180
  • OURSELVES AND BE IN ETERNAL
  • 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:41.250
  • GLORY WITH JESUS.
  • 00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:43.060
  • THAT'S FANTASTIC NEWS, AND I
  • 00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:44.180
  • WOULD HOPE THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU
  • 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:46.120
  • WOULD EXPERIENCE THAT, BUT JESUS
  • 00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:47.220
  • ALSO CALLS YOU TO BE A GAME
  • 00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:50.070
  • CHANGER.
  • 00:24:50.070 --> 00:24:50.240
  • YOU CAN CHANGE THE GAME.
  • 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.060
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:24:56.080 --> 00:24:59.080
  • YOUR HOME, YOUR STREET, YOUR
  • 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:01.100
  • GROUP OF FRIENDS, YOUR WORKPLACE
  • 00:25:01.100 --> 00:25:03.130
  • CAN BE A DIFFERENT PLACE BECAUSE
  • 00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:05.230
  • YOU CHANGED THE GAME.
  • 00:25:05.230 --> 00:25:08.090
  • JESUS WANTS TO CHANGE THE GAME
  • 00:25:08.090 --> 00:25:09.130
  • FOR YOU, AND HE ASKS YOU TO BE A
  • 00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:11.060
  • GAME CHANGER EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
  • 00:25:11.060 --> 00:25:12.060
  • - AUDIENCE: AMEN.
  • 00:25:12.060 --> 00:25:13.250
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:16.230
  • - KARL: THANK YOU.
  • 00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:17.280
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:19.180
  • - TOM: TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST
  • 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:20.090
  • PRAY WITH SOMEONE.
  • 00:25:20.090 --> 00:25:22.000
  • JUST GO AHEAD AND OFFER A PRAYER
  • 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.060
  • FOR THOSE WHO ARE READY TO MAKE
  • 00:25:23.060 --> 00:25:25.090
  • THAT CHANGE.
  • 00:25:25.090 --> 00:25:26.060
  • - KARL: YOU WANT THE GAME
  • 00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:28.120
  • CHANGED?
  • 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:28.280
  • - TOM: YEAH.
  • 00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:29.150
  • - KARL: YOU READY?
  • 00:25:29.150 --> 00:25:30.010
  • DO YOU WANT JESUS TO COME IN AND
  • 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:31.060
  • MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
  • 00:25:31.060 --> 00:25:33.140
  • JUST OPEN YOUR HANDS AND BE
  • 00:25:33.140 --> 00:25:34.120
  • READY.
  • 00:25:34.120 --> 00:25:35.250
  • SAY, "LORD, I COME TO YOU TODAY,
  • 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:38.030
  • NOT BECAUSE I'VE GOT IT TOGETHER
  • 00:25:38.030 --> 00:25:39.130
  • OR I'VE GOT LIFE SORTED, BUT I'M
  • 00:25:39.130 --> 00:25:42.020
  • HERE BECAUSE I DON'T, AND I PUT
  • 00:25:42.020 --> 00:25:44.100
  • MY HANDS OUT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT
  • 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:47.030
  • I'M OPENING MY LIFE, MY HEART,
  • 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.240
  • THE VERY CORE OF WHO I AM, AND
  • 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.170
  • I'M ASKING YOU TO COME IN AND
  • 00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:54.110
  • CHANGE THE GAME.
  • 00:25:54.110 --> 00:25:55.050
  • LORD, COME IN AND MAKE ME A NEW
  • 00:25:55.050 --> 00:25:57.000
  • PERSON.
  • 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.040
  • COME IN AND CHANGE MY FUTURE.
  • 00:25:58.040 --> 00:26:00.050
  • FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I'VE DONE TO
  • 00:26:00.050 --> 00:26:01.220
  • DISAPPOINT YOU AND THOSE AROUND
  • 00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:04.040
  • US.
  • 00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:04.290
  • LORD, HELP ME TO BE THE PERSON
  • 00:26:04.290 --> 00:26:06.030
  • THAT YOU CALLED ME TO BE.
  • 00:26:06.030 --> 00:26:07.140
  • I HAND MY LIFE TO YOU TODAY, AND
  • 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:09.210
  • I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE THE
  • 00:26:09.210 --> 00:26:12.040
  • GAME, AND I THANK YOU THAT YOU
  • 00:26:12.040 --> 00:26:13.280
  • PROMISED THAT YOU WILL, AND I
  • 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:15.000
  • CAN EXPERIENCE IT RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.010
  • AMEN.
  • 00:26:16.010 --> 00:26:18.270
  • - TOM: THANK YOU.
  • 00:26:18.270 --> 00:26:19.230
  • - JANE: AMEN.
  • 00:26:19.230 --> 00:26:20.270
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:26:21.260 --> 00:26:24.260
  • - TOM: TBN PARTNER, FAMILY, WE
  • 00:26:24.260 --> 00:26:26.190
  • TALK ABOUT CREATING NEW CONTENT.
  • 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:30.180
  • IT'S NOT JUST TO PUT IMAGES ON
  • 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:32.230
  • THE SCREEN.
  • 00:26:32.230 --> 00:26:34.240
  • YOU HEARD FROM KARL'S HEART.
  • 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.160
  • YOU'VE HEARD FROM JANE.
  • 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.020
  • THESE ARE OUR CONTENT CREATORS.
  • 00:26:38.020 --> 00:26:39.260
  • THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE A
  • 00:26:39.260 --> 00:26:40.140
  • DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:41.220
  • YOU HELP MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE
  • 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:42.260
  • POSSIBLE.
  • 00:26:42.260 --> 00:26:44.100
  • THANK YOU, PARTNERS, FOR ALL YOU
  • 00:26:44.100 --> 00:26:46.000
  • DO TO HELP US TO TAKE THESE KIND
  • 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.160
  • OF SHOWS AND BROADCAST THEM
  • 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.150
  • AROUND THE WORLD, TRANSLATE THEM
  • 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:50.220
  • INTO 16 LANGUAGES, AND IMPACT
  • 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:53.140
  • THE WHOLE WORLD WITH "JESUS THE
  • 00:26:53.140 --> 00:26:55.180
  • GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:57.200
  • LET'S TAKE ONE MORE CLIP.
  • 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.030
  • LET'S WATCH KARL TEACH A LITTLE
  • 00:26:59.030 --> 00:27:00.100
  • BIT ON "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
  • 00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:01.200
  • ON WEALTH.
  • 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.080
  • - KARL: HUMPHREY MONMOUTH WAS A
  • 00:27:03.260 --> 00:27:06.260
  • RESIDENT IN LONDON IN THE 16TH
  • 00:27:06.260 --> 00:27:07.220
  • CENTURY.
  • 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:09.070
  • HE WAS A VERY WEALTHY GUY.
  • 00:27:09.070 --> 00:27:10.100
  • HE USED TO BRING IT OVER FROM
  • 00:27:12.060 --> 00:27:12.270
  • EUROPE, AND HE WOULD SELL IT TO
  • 00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:13.190
  • THE WEALTHY ELITE, EVEN THE
  • 00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:14.280
  • HE MET A YOUNG MAN WHOSE NAME
  • 00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:19.080
  • WAS WILLIAM TYNDALE.
  • 00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:21.020
  • NOW, WILLIAM TYNDALE WAS A
  • 00:27:21.020 --> 00:27:21.210
  • THEOLOGIAN AND A TRANSLATOR, AND
  • 00:27:21.210 --> 00:27:22.260
  • HE WANTED TO TRANSLATE THE BIBLE
  • 00:27:22.260 --> 00:27:24.170
  • INTO ENGLISH.
  • 00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:26.020
  • YOU SEE, IT WAS ONLY EVER IN
  • 00:27:26.020 --> 00:27:27.130
  • LATIN, AND MONMOUTH WANTED TO
  • 00:27:27.130 --> 00:27:28.220
  • SEE EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
  • 00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:30.080
  • INTERESTINGLY, THE AUTHORITIES
  • 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:32.290
  • DIDN'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
  • 00:27:32.290 --> 00:27:34.130
  • THE AUTHORITIES DIDN'T WANNA SEE
  • 00:27:34.130 --> 00:27:35.140
  • THE BIBLE TRANSLATED FROM LATIN
  • 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:37.050
  • INTO ENGLISH, AND SO WHAT THE
  • 00:27:37.050 --> 00:27:39.090
  • AUTHORITIES DID WAS START TO PUT
  • 00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:41.220
  • PRESSURE ON TYNDALE, AND, IN
  • 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:43.180
  • FACT, TYNDALE HAD TO RUN TO
  • 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:44.290
  • GERMANY TO CONTINUE HIS WORK,
  • 00:27:44.290 --> 00:27:46.110
  • AND MONMOUTH CONTINUED TO
  • 00:27:46.110 --> 00:27:47.220
  • SUPPORT TYNDALE.
  • 00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:49.230
  • WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT
  • 00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:51.110
  • MONMOUTH WAS SUPPORTING TYNDALE,
  • 00:27:51.110 --> 00:27:52.260
  • THEY ACTUALLY ARRESTED HIM.
  • 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:54.060
  • IN MAY 1528, THEY BROUGHT HIM
  • 00:27:54.060 --> 00:27:56.100
  • UNDER THE TOWER BRIDGE ON A
  • 00:27:56.100 --> 00:27:57.180
  • BARGE.
  • 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.230
  • THEY BROUGHT HIM THROUGH THIS
  • 00:27:58.230 --> 00:28:00.260
  • GATE, THE "TRAITORS' GATE,"
  • 00:28:00.260 --> 00:28:02.050
  • MONMOUTH SPENT A YEAR IN THE
  • 00:28:02.050 --> 00:28:03.180
  • TOWER OF LONDON AS A PRISONER,
  • 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.030
  • SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO
  • 00:28:05.030 --> 00:28:06.180
  • SUPPORT TYNDALE TO TRANSLATE THE
  • 00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.060
  • BIBLE INTO ENGLISH.
  • 00:28:08.060 --> 00:28:09.220
  • MONMOUTH COULD'VE HAD A VERY
  • 00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:12.270
  • EASY, SUCCESSFUL LIFE AS A
  • 00:28:12.270 --> 00:28:14.070
  • WEALTHY ELITE, AND, YET HIS
  • 00:28:14.070 --> 00:28:16.230
  • FOCUS WAS TO DO WHAT JESUS WAS
  • 00:28:16.230 --> 00:28:17.140
  • CALLING HIM TO DO.
  • 00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:18.240
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.010
  • WE'RE HERE WATCHING CLIPS FROM A
  • 00:28:25.210 --> 00:28:27.290
  • BRAND-NEW SERIES COMING
  • 00:28:27.290 --> 00:28:29.090
  • EXCLUSIVELY TO TBN, "JESUS THE
  • 00:28:29.090 --> 00:28:31.090
  • GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:28:31.090 --> 00:28:33.190
  • I'M RIGHT HERE WITH KARL
  • 00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:34.240
  • AND JANE FAASE.
  • 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.210
  • - JANE: THANK YOU FOR HAVING
  • 00:28:35.210 --> 00:28:37.090
  • US.
  • 00:28:37.090 --> 00:28:37.290
  • - TOM: JANE, WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:28:37.290 --> 00:28:38.180
  • WATCHIN' THAT CLIP, YOU'RE
  • 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:39.220
  • SAYIN', "THERE'S SOMETHIN' FUNNY
  • 00:28:39.220 --> 00:28:40.140
  • ABOUT THIS THING."
  • 00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.030
  • - JANE: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:28:41.030 --> 00:28:41.220
  • IT WAS A TOUGH DAY.
  • 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:42.220
  • - TOM: YOU KNOW, THE FUN THING,
  • 00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:44.050
  • THE GREAT THING ABOUT BEING
  • 00:28:44.050 --> 00:28:45.140
  • FILMMAKERS, WHENEVER YOU WATCH A
  • 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:46.240
  • FILM OR SOMETHING YOU'VE MADE,
  • 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.230
  • YOU WATCH A LITTLE BIT OF THE
  • 00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:50.140
  • CONTENT, AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT,
  • 00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:51.280
  • BUT YOU'RE THINKING OF ALL THE
  • 00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:53.010
  • DRAMA BEHIND GETTING THAT SHOT
  • 00:28:53.010 --> 00:28:53.280
  • OR GETTING READY FOR THAT-- SO
  • 00:28:53.280 --> 00:28:55.050
  • THIS IS STORY HERE.
  • 00:28:55.050 --> 00:28:56.170
  • JANE, TELL IT.
  • 00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:57.130
  • - JANE: IT IS A STORY.
  • 00:28:57.130 --> 00:28:59.250
  • I GOT PERMISSION FROM THE CITY
  • 00:28:59.250 --> 00:29:01.030
  • OF LONDON TO FILM JUST OUTSIDE
  • 00:29:01.030 --> 00:29:02.260
  • YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT ALL SORTED
  • 00:29:06.030 --> 00:29:06.250
  • FROM SYDNEY, TURNED UP ON THAT
  • 00:29:06.250 --> 00:29:08.190
  • SATURDAY MORNING, AND THEN THE
  • 00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:11.260
  • FIRST THING-- WE WOULDN'T HAVE
  • 00:29:11.260 --> 00:29:13.030
  • BEEN THERE TWO MINUTES, AND ONE
  • 00:29:13.030 --> 00:29:15.090
  • OF THE BEEFEATERS COMES OUT FROM
  • 00:29:15.090 --> 00:29:16.250
  • THE TOWER OF LONDON AND SAYS--
  • 00:29:16.250 --> 00:29:18.260
  • - TOM: AND THOSE THE GUYS WITH
  • 00:29:18.260 --> 00:29:19.180
  • THE BIG HATS AND RED JACKET,
  • 00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:20.080
  • YEAH.
  • 00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:20.170
  • - JANE: THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:21.080
  • LOOK.
  • 00:29:21.080 --> 00:29:22.000
  • OH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY, AND
  • 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.220
  • HE SAID, "DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION
  • 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:23.230
  • TO BE HERE?"
  • 00:29:23.230 --> 00:29:24.190
  • AND I SAID, "YES," AND I GET OUT
  • 00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:25.260
  • MY CERTIFICATE, YOU KNOW, CITY
  • 00:29:25.260 --> 00:29:26.240
  • OF LONDON PERMISSION TO FILM.
  • 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.040
  • HE SAID, "THIS IS NOT PROPERTY
  • 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:32.010
  • BY THE CITY OF LONDON.
  • 00:29:32.010 --> 00:29:33.210
  • THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THE
  • 00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:34.280
  • TOWER OF LONDON.
  • 00:29:34.280 --> 00:29:37.120
  • I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T BE HERE."
  • 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:38.220
  • SO, YOU KNOW, AS A PRODUCER,
  • 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:41.210
  • IT'S LIKE YOUR HEART SINKS.
  • 00:29:41.210 --> 00:29:43.210
  • YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH JUST RESTING
  • 00:29:43.210 --> 00:29:45.280
  • ON THIS PIECE TO CAMERA THAT'S
  • 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:47.180
  • JUST ABOUT TO GO AHEAD IN THERE.
  • 00:29:47.180 --> 00:29:48.160
  • - TOM: I CANNOT TELL YOU THE
  • 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.070
  • AMOUNT OF TIMES BOB, MATT AND
  • 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:52.230
  • LAURIE, AND I, CAYLAN AND THE
  • 00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:54.070
  • BOYS, WERE OUT, AND WE'RE
  • 00:29:54.070 --> 00:29:55.220
  • SHOOTING IN TIANANMEN SQUARE OR
  • 00:29:55.220 --> 00:29:57.140
  • SOMETHING IN CHINA, AND WE'RE--
  • 00:29:57.140 --> 00:29:58.070
  • YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT A COUPLE
  • 00:29:58.070 --> 00:30:00.060
  • OF CAMERAS.
  • 00:30:00.060 --> 00:30:01.120
  • WE'RE NOT SETTING UP A BUNCH OF
  • 00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:02.070
  • LIGHTS OR ANYTHING, AND WE'LL
  • 00:30:02.070 --> 00:30:03.100
  • START ROLLING, AND YOU'LL SEE
  • 00:30:03.100 --> 00:30:05.090
  • THE GOOSE-STEPPING GUARDS COME
  • 00:30:05.090 --> 00:30:07.230
  • WALKIN' RIGHT TOWARDS YA, LIKE
  • 00:30:07.230 --> 00:30:08.230
  • THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE
  • 00:30:08.230 --> 00:30:10.070
  • WAVIN', AND THEY'RE JUMPIN' IN
  • 00:30:10.070 --> 00:30:11.000
  • FRONT OF YA.
  • 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:11.250
  • I MEAN, LITERALLY, THAT, AND
  • 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:13.020
  • EVEN EARLIER IN THE WEEK, WE DID
  • 00:30:13.020 --> 00:30:15.130
  • A SHOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT,
  • 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:16.130
  • BEING IN RED SQUARE IN MOSCOW,
  • 00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:17.140
  • AND WE HAD A, KIND OF, A
  • 00:30:17.140 --> 00:30:20.080
  • CELEBRITY SINGER THERE WITH US,
  • 00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:21.160
  • AND, SURE ENOUGH, JOEL AND
  • 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.080
  • VICTORIA OSTEEN, AND MATT AND
  • 00:30:23.080 --> 00:30:24.230
  • LAURIE ARE TAPING THERE, HERE
  • 00:30:24.230 --> 00:30:27.230
  • COME THE GUARDS FROM ALL OVER
  • 00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:28.170
  • TO SHUT US DOWN, AND WE HAD
  • 00:30:28.170 --> 00:30:29.130
  • THIS CELEBRITY THAT RAN UP AND
  • 00:30:29.130 --> 00:30:30.260
  • SAID, "OH--" AND HE WAS ABLE TO
  • 00:30:30.260 --> 00:30:31.220
  • GET EVERYBODY-- HE SIGNED
  • 00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:32.240
  • AUTOGRAPHS, AND WE KEPT
  • 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.270
  • SHOOTING, AND WE KEPT ROLLING
  • 00:30:33.270 --> 00:30:35.080
  • THE CAMERAS, BUT IT WORKS THAT
  • 00:30:35.080 --> 00:30:35.290
  • WAY.
  • 00:30:35.290 --> 00:30:36.160
  • - JANE: KARL WASN'T AS WELL
  • 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.160
  • KNOWN TO SIGN AUTOGRAPHS.
  • 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:38.170
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:39.280
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:42.130
  • - TOM: THIS GUY HAD SOLD 60
  • 00:30:42.130 --> 00:30:43.210
  • MILLION RECORDS, SO HE HAD A
  • 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:45.120
  • LITTLE BIT OF A BOOST.
  • 00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:46.160
  • - JANE: WELL, THAT WORKS, YEAH.
  • 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:47.080
  • AND THEN, IN THE AFTERNOON, WE
  • 00:30:47.080 --> 00:30:48.190
  • WENT ON TO THE HOUSES OF
  • 00:30:48.190 --> 00:30:49.140
  • PARLIAMENT, AND THE SAME THING
  • 00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.200
  • HAPPENED.
  • 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.100
  • WE GOT ACCOSTED THERE.
  • 00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:53.060
  • IT WASN'T THE BEST DAY AS A
  • 00:30:53.060 --> 00:30:53.260
  • PRODUCER.
  • 00:30:53.260 --> 00:30:55.110
  • - TOM: BUT, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:30:55.110 --> 00:30:56.070
  • VISUALS WERE GREAT.
  • 00:30:56.070 --> 00:30:58.100
  • YOU COULD TELL YOU WERE IN
  • 00:30:58.100 --> 00:30:58.290
  • LONDON.
  • 00:30:58.290 --> 00:30:59.090
  • YOU KNOW, YOU SET UP THE
  • 00:30:59.090 --> 00:31:00.120
  • BACKGROUND THE WAY YOU WORKED,
  • 00:31:00.120 --> 00:31:01.100
  • AND IT'S SO INTERESTING, THE
  • 00:31:01.100 --> 00:31:03.090
  • COORDINATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN
  • 00:31:03.090 --> 00:31:04.170
  • BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT THE
  • 00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:06.000
  • BEAUTY, TO ME, OF WHAT YOU DID
  • 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.080
  • IN "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER" WAS
  • 00:31:07.080 --> 00:31:08.230
  • "WE ARE IN LONDON.
  • 00:31:08.230 --> 00:31:11.050
  • WE'RE IN INDIA.
  • 00:31:11.050 --> 00:31:12.090
  • WE'RE IN--"
  • 00:31:12.090 --> 00:31:13.270
  • - JANE: SYDNEY.
  • 00:31:13.270 --> 00:31:14.250
  • - TOM: SYDNEY.
  • 00:31:14.250 --> 00:31:15.110
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:31:15.110 --> 00:31:16.280
  • THAT'S TOO CLOSE TO HOME.
  • 00:31:16.280 --> 00:31:17.170
  • - KARL: YAY.
  • 00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:19.150
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.160
  • - BUT THE THING THAT I WANNA
  • 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.070
  • DO, AND I WAS TALKING TO YOU
  • 00:31:28.070 --> 00:31:28.270
  • ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER,
  • 00:31:28.270 --> 00:31:29.180
  • KARL, BACKSTAGE, AND WE STARTED
  • 00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:30.100
  • TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE THING
  • 00:31:30.100 --> 00:31:31.250
  • ABOUT "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER"
  • 00:31:31.250 --> 00:31:33.010
  • WAS IT'S EXTREMELY WELL SHOT.
  • 00:31:33.070 --> 00:31:36.070
  • YOU CAN TELL THAT THESE ARE
  • 00:31:36.070 --> 00:31:38.280
  • PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:40.110
  • TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY
  • 00:31:40.110 --> 00:31:41.260
  • YOU WENT TO THE LENGTHS THAT YOU
  • 00:31:41.260 --> 00:31:44.170
  • WENT TO, THE QUALITY OF THE
  • 00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:46.010
  • PRODUCTION, AND WHY YOU FELT IT
  • 00:31:46.010 --> 00:31:47.170
  • NEEDED TO BE THAT WAY.
  • 00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:48.180
  • - KARL: YEAH, ONE OF OUR
  • 00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.090
  • MOTIVATIONS IS A QUOTE OUT OF A
  • 00:31:50.090 --> 00:31:51.250
  • BUT THE QUOTE WAS THIS: "IN
  • 00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:55.110
  • MODERN SOCIETY, IN CONTEMPORARY
  • 00:31:55.110 --> 00:31:56.120
  • SOCIETY, WE ONLY NOTICE
  • 00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:58.030
  • EXCELLENCE BY ITS ABSENCE."
  • 00:31:58.030 --> 00:32:00.030
  • - TOM: WOW.
  • 00:32:00.030 --> 00:32:00.220
  • - KARL: AND YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:02.020
  • THAT.
  • 00:32:02.020 --> 00:32:02.170
  • YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GO TO THE
  • 00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:03.210
  • MOVIES AND SIT DOWN, AND THE
  • 00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:04.210
  • MOVIE STARTS, AND YOU BUMP THE
  • 00:32:04.210 --> 00:32:05.250
  • PERSON NEXT TO YOU AND SAY,
  • 00:32:05.250 --> 00:32:07.220
  • "WOW, THEY STARTED ON TIME.
  • 00:32:07.220 --> 00:32:09.000
  • LOOK AT THAT.
  • 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:09.190
  • I CAN SEE IT'S IN FOCUS.
  • 00:32:09.190 --> 00:32:12.190
  • CAN YOU HEAR IT?"
  • 00:32:12.190 --> 00:32:13.180
  • LIKE, WE JUST-- WE GET SO USED
  • 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:14.200
  • TO THINGS BEING A BIT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:15.260
  • IT'S A BIT HALF DONE.
  • 00:32:15.260 --> 00:32:17.180
  • WE WANT THIS TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE
  • 00:32:19.270 --> 00:32:20.240
  • WHERE THERE'S NO CRINGE FACTOR
  • 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.070
  • TO STOP THEM WATCHING IT, AND SO
  • 00:32:22.070 --> 00:32:23.130
  • IT'S A LITTLE LIKE, IF YOU CAN
  • 00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:25.120
  • TAKE THE CRINGE FACTOR AWAY,
  • 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:26.160
  • THEN THE MESSAGE GETS A BETTER
  • 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.260
  • OPTION.
  • 00:32:27.260 --> 00:32:28.240
  • YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PLACE THAT
  • 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.120
  • PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:32:30.120 --> 00:32:32.050
  • EXCELLENCE IS NOT REALLY NOTICED
  • 00:32:32.050 --> 00:32:33.170
  • BY ITS ABSENCE-- YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:32:33.170 --> 00:32:34.260
  • ONLY PLACE, THE END-OF-YEAR
  • 00:32:34.260 --> 00:32:35.280
  • SCHOOL CONCERT.
  • 00:32:35.280 --> 00:32:38.240
  • - TOM: HMM--
  • 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:39.140
  • - KARL: YES, IF YOU'RE A
  • 00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:40.140
  • PARENT--
  • 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:40.290
  • - TOM: BUT IF YOU'RE GOOD--
  • 00:32:40.290 --> 00:32:42.260
  • - JANE: YEAH, THAT'S IT.
  • 00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:43.260
  • - KARL: YEAH, IF YOUR KID GETS
  • 00:32:43.260 --> 00:32:44.180
  • UP--
  • 00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:45.000
  • - TOM: -- OR YOUR GRANDCHILD--
  • 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:45.220
  • - KARL: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:46.120
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:32:46.120 --> 00:32:46.230
  • - TOM: I HAVE NINE OF THEM.
  • 00:32:46.230 --> 00:32:47.140
  • I LOVE THEM.
  • 00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:48.000
  • - KARL: I KNOW.
  • 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.280
  • - TOM: EVERYTHING THEY DO IS
  • 00:32:48.280 --> 00:32:49.190
  • PERFECT.
  • 00:32:49.190 --> 00:32:50.000
  • - KARL: ABSOLUTELY, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.220
  • CHEERIN', YELLIN', YET, YOU
  • 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.200
  • KNOW, IF YOU'RE AN AVERAGE
  • 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.120
  • PERSON WATCHING IT, "THIS IS NOT
  • 00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:54.210
  • REALLY VERY GOOD," BUT
  • 00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:55.080
  • EVERYWHERE ELSE IN LIFE, YOU
  • 00:32:55.080 --> 00:32:56.220
  • KNOW, AND SO WE JUST THINK THAT
  • 00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:58.120
  • IN WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:01.020
  • WORKING WITH TBN IN IS THE BEST
  • 00:33:01.020 --> 00:33:02.190
  • PRODUCTION VALUES, EXCELLENCE
  • 00:33:02.190 --> 00:33:04.200
  • THAT WE CAN PRODUCE, WHICH GIVES
  • 00:33:05.010 --> 00:33:08.010
  • THE MESSAGE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY
  • 00:33:08.010 --> 00:33:09.260
  • TO MAKE AN INFLUENCE INTO
  • 00:33:09.260 --> 00:33:10.290
  • PEOPLE'S LIVES.
  • 00:33:10.290 --> 00:33:11.260
  • - JANE: AND I THINK, TOM, JESUS
  • 00:33:11.260 --> 00:33:14.100
  • DESERVES NOTHING LESS THAN OUR
  • 00:33:14.100 --> 00:33:16.030
  • EXCELLENCE, YES.
  • 00:33:16.030 --> 00:33:16.240
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:33:20.180 --> 00:33:23.180
  • - TOM: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S
  • 00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:24.210
  • HARD TO GET ACROSS, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:27.170
  • THE TBN FAMILY HAVE GIVEN SO
  • 00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:30.000
  • GENEROUSLY FOR SO MANY YEARS TO
  • 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.030
  • MAKE POSSIBLE THE THINGS THAT
  • 00:33:32.030 --> 00:33:33.130
  • WE'RE DOING NOW.
  • 00:33:33.130 --> 00:33:36.020
  • WHEN YOU LAUNCH SHOWS LIKE
  • 00:33:36.020 --> 00:33:37.040
  • "MIKE HUCKABEE" OR "MIKE ROWE,"
  • 00:33:37.040 --> 00:33:38.180
  • AND YOU LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF A
  • 00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:41.020
  • JOEL OSTEEN BROADCAST, YOU LOOK
  • 00:33:41.020 --> 00:33:43.140
  • AT WHAT JOYCE MEYER DOES, YOU
  • 00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:45.100
  • LOOK AT WHAT ROBERT MORRIS DOES
  • 00:33:45.100 --> 00:33:46.200
  • AND JOHN GRAY, AND I COULD JUST
  • 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.010
  • GO THROUGH A LINEUP, CHRISTINE
  • 00:33:49.010 --> 00:33:50.130
  • CAINE, AND, JUST, ON AND ON AND
  • 00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:51.100
  • ON, AND DAVID JEREMIAH, I MEAN,
  • 00:33:51.100 --> 00:33:53.070
  • SERIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T STOP.
  • 00:33:53.070 --> 00:33:54.260
  • IT'S JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TAKEN
  • 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.240
  • WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN THEM, THEY
  • 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.290
  • SURROUNDED THEMSELVES WITH TOP
  • 00:34:00.290 --> 00:34:02.030
  • TALENT, AND THEY BROUGHT THOSE
  • 00:34:02.030 --> 00:34:03.220
  • THINGS TO THE LARGEST CHRISTIAN
  • 00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:06.000
  • BROADCASTER IN THE WORLD, AND
  • 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.070
  • OUR PARTNERS' GIFTS AND
  • 00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:09.290
  • SPONSORSHIP MAKE THAT POSSIBLE
  • 00:34:09.290 --> 00:34:11.050
  • TO TAKE THE QUALITY MESSAGE OF
  • 00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:13.120
  • JESUS AROUND THE WORLD IN 16
  • 00:34:13.120 --> 00:34:15.180
  • LANGUAGE AND 32 BROADCAST
  • 00:34:15.180 --> 00:34:17.110
  • NETWORKS AROUND THE WORLD, AND,
  • 00:34:17.110 --> 00:34:19.240
  • TO ME, THAT WORK IS JUST
  • 00:34:19.240 --> 00:34:22.100
  • BEGINNING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
  • 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:23.210
  • MEET THIS STANDARD.
  • 00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:25.120
  • WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS STANDARD,
  • 00:34:25.120 --> 00:34:26.260
  • AND WE HAVE TO UP IT AND GO MORE
  • 00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:28.050
  • AND MORE.
  • 00:34:28.050 --> 00:34:28.270
  • HOW OFTEN HAVE WE ASSOCIATED
  • 00:34:28.270 --> 00:34:30.060
  • CHRISTIAN CONTENT, "OH, IT'S A
  • 00:34:30.060 --> 00:34:31.280
  • CHRISTIAN MOVIE," "OH, IT'S A
  • 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.070
  • CHRISTIAN SHOW," AND THAT,
  • 00:34:33.070 --> 00:34:34.180
  • SOMEHOW, THAT EXCUSES IT FROM
  • 00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:37.220
  • WHAT YOU JUST SAID FROM BEING
  • 00:34:37.220 --> 00:34:39.190
  • ANY TYPE OF QUALITY, BUT JESUS,
  • 00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:41.230
  • AS A GAME CHANGER, NOT A QUALITY
  • 00:34:41.230 --> 00:34:43.230
  • DESTROYER, SO--
  • 00:34:43.230 --> 00:34:45.150
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:34:46.270 --> 00:34:49.270
  • -- LISTEN, YOU'VE GOT GUYS AT
  • 00:34:49.270 --> 00:34:50.290
  • THIS NETWORK, THE RUSS HALLS AND
  • 00:34:51.080 --> 00:34:54.080
  • THE BOB FOPMAS, AND MATT AND
  • 00:34:54.080 --> 00:34:56.290
  • LAURIE CROUCHES, AND JENNA,
  • 00:34:56.290 --> 00:34:57.190
  • THERE ARE JUST SO MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:58.240
  • HERE THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER FOR
  • 00:34:58.240 --> 00:35:01.180
  • SUCH A TIME AS THIS, USING THEIR
  • 00:35:01.180 --> 00:35:03.080
  • GIFTS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:35:03.080 --> 00:35:04.180
  • THEY'VE DONE BROADCAST ON THE
  • 00:35:04.180 --> 00:35:06.140
  • BIG STAGES.
  • 00:35:06.140 --> 00:35:07.250
  • THEY'VE DIRECTED THE BIG SHOWS,
  • 00:35:07.250 --> 00:35:09.000
  • AND KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:09.280
  • THEY WANNA BE HERE BECAUSE JESUS
  • 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.160
  • MAKES A DIFFERENCE, MADE A
  • 00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:12.280
  • DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES, AND
  • 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.080
  • THEY WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN
  • 00:35:14.080 --> 00:35:15.180
  • THEIR WORLD, SO THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:35:15.180 --> 00:35:17.080
  • WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS
  • 00:35:17.080 --> 00:35:18.030
  • KIND OF CONTENT.
  • 00:35:18.030 --> 00:35:19.070
  • - KARL: AND, LOOK, THE OTHER
  • 00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:20.090
  • THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS YOU CAN
  • 00:35:20.090 --> 00:35:21.180
  • IMAGINE HOW IT'S GOTTA BE A BIT
  • 00:35:21.180 --> 00:35:23.170
  • SOUL-DESTROYING TO GIVE YOUR
  • 00:35:23.170 --> 00:35:25.120
  • LIFE TO A MESSAGE THAT, IN THE
  • 00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:27.060
  • END, IS SHALLOW, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:35:27.060 --> 00:35:29.040
  • LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO
  • 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:30.180
  • WATCH A MOVIE THAT HAS, YOU
  • 00:35:30.180 --> 00:35:31.270
  • KNOW, GREAT PRODUCTION VALUES
  • 00:35:31.270 --> 00:35:33.210
  • AND STUNNINGLY MADE, BUT, IN THE
  • 00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:35.240
  • "WHAT'S THE MESSAGE OF THAT
  • 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:38.260
  • MOVIE?"
  • 00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:39.060
  • HERE, WE HAVE THE MESSAGE THAT
  • 00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:39.290
  • JESUS CHANGED THE GAME, THAT
  • 00:35:39.290 --> 00:35:41.110
  • JESUS WANTS TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:35:41.110 --> 00:35:42.210
  • HERE'S THE GREATEST PERSON IN
  • 00:35:42.210 --> 00:35:43.260
  • HUMAN HISTORY THAT STILL
  • 00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:45.060
  • INFLUENCES NOW.
  • 00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:47.220
  • WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANNA GIVE
  • 00:35:47.220 --> 00:35:48.120
  • YOURSELF TO SHARING THAT
  • 00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:49.050
  • AND WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANNA MAKE
  • 00:35:51.060 --> 00:35:51.280
  • IT THE BEST IT CAN BE?
  • 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.240
  • - TOM: BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:35:52.240 --> 00:35:53.220
  • WELL, LET'S DO THIS.
  • 00:35:53.220 --> 00:35:54.180
  • LET'S SHOW ANOTHER CLIP FROM
  • 00:35:54.180 --> 00:35:55.240
  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER," HOW
  • 00:35:55.240 --> 00:35:57.230
  • JESUS WORKS IN DEMOCRACY, WITH
  • 00:35:57.230 --> 00:35:59.090
  • ERIC METAXAS.
  • 00:35:59.090 --> 00:36:01.220
  • - ERIC METAXAS: IN AMERICA, IN
  • 00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:03.070
  • PARTICULAR, IN THE WEST, IN
  • 00:36:03.070 --> 00:36:04.250
  • PARTICULAR, WE HAVE GOTTEN SO
  • 00:36:04.250 --> 00:36:05.270
  • USED TO THE IDEA OF FREEDOM AND
  • 00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:08.170
  • DEMOCRACY AND ECONOMIC
  • 00:36:08.170 --> 00:36:10.080
  • PROSPERITY.
  • 00:36:10.080 --> 00:36:12.230
  • WE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.
  • 00:36:12.230 --> 00:36:14.210
  • WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT, IF IT'S A
  • 00:36:14.210 --> 00:36:17.070
  • CUT FLOWER, IT WILL CONTINUE TO
  • 00:36:17.070 --> 00:36:18.060
  • LOOK BEAUTIFUL FOR A SEASON,
  • 00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:19.140
  • BUT, ULTIMATELY, IT'S LOST THE
  • 00:36:19.140 --> 00:36:21.100
  • CONNECTION TO THE SOURCE OF
  • 00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:24.190
  • LIFE, AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER
  • 00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:26.210
  • IS THAT ALL OF THESE IDEAS,
  • 00:36:26.210 --> 00:36:28.190
  • CARING FOR THE POOR, LOVING YOUR
  • 00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:29.260
  • NEIGHBOR, SELF-GOVERNMENT, IF
  • 00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:32.120
  • YOU TRACE THEM BACKWARD, IT'S
  • 00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:34.100
  • INEVITABLE THAT FAITH COMES INTO
  • 00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:36.130
  • PLAY.
  • 00:36:36.130 --> 00:36:37.100
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
  • 00:36:37.100 --> 00:36:38.260
  • THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, IN A WAY,
  • 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:40.260
  • ARE GAMBLING AND SAYING, "WE
  • 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.130
  • SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE IT, WE
  • 00:36:42.130 --> 00:36:44.010
  • DON'T LIKE, IT AND WE WANNA GET
  • 00:36:44.010 --> 00:36:44.270
  • RID OF IT."
  • 00:36:44.270 --> 00:36:45.220
  • I WOULD EVEN ARGUE THAT
  • 00:36:45.220 --> 00:36:46.180
  • NOT ONLY IS THAT WRONG, BUT
  • 00:36:46.180 --> 00:36:47.080
  • IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S
  • 00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:48.230
  • UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THE
  • 00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:50.050
  • PEOPLE WHO GAVE US THE
  • 00:36:50.050 --> 00:36:52.270
  • CONSTITUTION, GAVE US OUR FORM
  • 00:36:52.270 --> 00:36:54.010
  • OF GOVERNMENT, SAID IT WILL NOT
  • 00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:56.160
  • WORK UNLESS YOU ALLOW PEOPLE NOT
  • 00:36:56.160 --> 00:36:58.070
  • JUST TO THINK RELIGIOUS
  • 00:36:58.070 --> 00:36:59.170
  • THOUGHTS, BUT TO EXERCISE THEIR
  • 00:36:59.170 --> 00:37:01.170
  • FAITH.
  • 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:02.180
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:08.200
  • - TOM: ERIC METAXAS, ONE OF
  • 00:37:08.200 --> 00:37:11.060
  • TBN'S OWN, WE'RE GETTING TO
  • 00:37:11.060 --> 00:37:12.130
  • RELEASE SOME NEW SHOWS WITH ERIC
  • 00:37:12.130 --> 00:37:13.130
  • TOO.
  • 00:37:13.130 --> 00:37:14.010
  • ERIC'S WORKING ON SOME SHOWS FOR
  • 00:37:14.010 --> 00:37:15.030
  • US RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE'RE VERY
  • 00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:16.110
  • EXCITED ABOUT, BUT TBN, WE'RE
  • 00:37:16.110 --> 00:37:17.260
  • RIGHT HERE TONIGHT WITH KARL
  • 00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:19.040
  • AND JANE FAASE, TALKING ABOUT A
  • 00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:21.210
  • BRAND-NEW SERIES COMING
  • 00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.150
  • CALLED "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:37:26.120 --> 00:37:27.260
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO
  • 00:37:27.260 --> 00:37:29.070
  • WATCH THESE CLIPS AND SEE HOW
  • 00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:31.120
  • ERIC METAXAS WOULD TALK ABOUT
  • 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:33.020
  • HOW JESUS WAS THE GAME CHANGER
  • 00:37:33.020 --> 00:37:35.080
  • AND BROUGHT IN DEMOCRACY-- WE'VE
  • 00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:36.290
  • TALKED ABOUT WEALTH, WE'VE
  • 00:37:36.290 --> 00:37:39.030
  • TALKED ABOUT THE CLASS SYSTEM IN
  • 00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:41.040
  • INDIA, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW
  • 00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:42.250
  • JESUS CHANGES ALL THAT, BUT FOR
  • 00:37:42.250 --> 00:37:45.140
  • THE AVERAGE PERSON SITTING AT
  • 00:37:45.140 --> 00:37:46.270
  • HOME RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE
  • 00:37:46.270 --> 00:37:48.200
  • TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN THEY'RE
  • 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.270
  • WATCHING THESE SHOWS, KARL, WHAT
  • 00:37:49.270 --> 00:37:51.180
  • ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAPPEN, AND
  • 00:37:51.180 --> 00:37:53.060
  • WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM?
  • 00:37:53.060 --> 00:37:55.010
  • - KARL: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
  • 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:57.050
  • WE TRY TO DO IS, COMING OUT OF
  • 00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:58.200
  • ARISTOTLE'S WAY OF CHANGING
  • 00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:00.150
  • PEOPLE'S MINDS, IS TO USE
  • 00:38:00.150 --> 00:38:01.250
  • PATHOS, LOGOS, AND ETHOS, WHICH
  • 00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:04.000
  • BASICALLY MEANS "LOGOS" IS YOUR
  • 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.170
  • MIND AND HOW YOU THINK, AND
  • 00:38:05.170 --> 00:38:07.250
  • OFTEN, WE TEND TO THINK, HOW WE
  • 00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:10.090
  • INFLUENCE PEOPLE IS BY GETTING
  • 00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:11.260
  • THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
  • 00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:12.290
  • THE TROUBLE IS THE INFORMATION,
  • 00:38:12.290 --> 00:38:15.040
  • AS ARISTOTLE KNEW, DOESN'T GET
  • 00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:16.050
  • THROUGH BECAUSE YOU NEED PATHOS
  • 00:38:16.050 --> 00:38:17.220
  • AND ETHOS.
  • 00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:19.110
  • YOU NEED A BIT OF HEART, AND YOU
  • 00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:21.250
  • NEED TO LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE
  • 00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:23.120
  • LISTENING TO.
  • 00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:24.000
  • YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO RELATE TO
  • 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:24.260
  • THEM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
  • 00:38:24.260 --> 00:38:25.290
  • WE WOULD HOPE WHEN PEOPLE WATCH
  • 00:38:25.290 --> 00:38:27.160
  • THIS IS NOT JUST, "WOW, THAT'S
  • 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:29.100
  • AN IDEA I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF,"
  • 00:38:29.100 --> 00:38:31.020
  • BUT "THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES DEEP
  • 00:38:31.020 --> 00:38:32.210
  • WITHIN ME IN SOME WAY," THROUGH
  • 00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:34.030
  • SOMEBODY'S STORY, SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:36.020
  • THEY SEE, SOMETHING THAT THEY
  • 00:38:36.020 --> 00:38:37.260
  • HEAR ABOUT, BUT YOU ALSO TAKE A
  • 00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:38.180
  • BIT OF TIME TO INTRODUCE THE
  • 00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:40.080
  • GUESTS AND THEIR LIFE SO YOU
  • 00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:41.240
  • WARM TO THEM, AND SO OUR HEART,
  • 00:38:41.240 --> 00:38:44.190
  • IN ALL OF THIS, IS NOT JUST A
  • 00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:46.170
  • "HERE'S HISTORY WITH GREAT
  • 00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:48.120
  • INFORMATION."
  • 00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:50.010
  • IT'S MORE LIKE,
  • 00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:51.030
  • "HERE'S SOMEBODY'S STORY HOW
  • 00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:52.180
  • JESUS CHANGED THE GAME.
  • 00:38:52.180 --> 00:38:54.120
  • HERE'S HOW THIS INFLUENCES THE
  • 00:38:54.120 --> 00:38:56.060
  • WORLD," AND THIS IS GATHERING OF
  • 00:38:56.060 --> 00:38:57.220
  • INFORMATION TOGETHER, WHICH
  • 00:38:58.010 --> 00:39:01.030
  • HELPS, KIND OF, MAYBE JUST A
  • 00:39:01.030 --> 00:39:02.030
  • LITTLE FOR SOME PEOPLE, MAYBE A
  • 00:39:02.030 --> 00:39:03.140
  • GREAT DEAL FOR OTHERS-- SHIFTS
  • 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:04.230
  • THE GAME IN THEIR LIFE.
  • 00:39:04.230 --> 00:39:06.110
  • - TOM: GREAT, GREAT.
  • 00:39:06.110 --> 00:39:07.030
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:39:11.100 --> 00:39:14.100
  • AS A CREATIVE DIRECTOR, AND AS
  • 00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:16.070
  • YOU WORK THROUGH THESE SHOWS, IS
  • 00:39:16.100 --> 00:39:19.100
  • THERE A CERTAIN EPISODE THAT
  • 00:39:19.100 --> 00:39:20.200
  • STANDS OUT TO YOU THAT SAID,
  • 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:22.020
  • "THAT IS MY FAVORITE"?
  • 00:39:22.020 --> 00:39:23.200
  • DO YOU EVER LOCK ON?
  • 00:39:23.200 --> 00:39:24.210
  • DO YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO DO
  • 00:39:24.210 --> 00:39:25.110
  • THAT?
  • 00:39:25.110 --> 00:39:26.060
  • AND TELL ME WHAT THAT SHOW IS
  • 00:39:26.060 --> 00:39:28.110
  • AND WHY.
  • 00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:30.280
  • - JANE: WELL, INTERESTINGLY, IT
  • 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.200
  • AND I THINK BECAUSE IT WAS A
  • 00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:35.060
  • SURPRISE FOR ME.
  • 00:39:35.060 --> 00:39:36.180
  • YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT WHAT I
  • 00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:37.230
  • EXPECTED.
  • 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.150
  • I'M NOT NECESSARILY INTO
  • 00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:40.240
  • BUT I JUST LOVE THE FUNDAMENTAL
  • 00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:46.110
  • WAY THAT-- JUST THOSE THINGS
  • 00:39:46.210 --> 00:39:49.210
  • OF-- I THINK IT'S DALE KUEHNE
  • 00:39:50.060 --> 00:39:53.060
  • ON THAT EPISODE, ACTUALLY, THAT
  • 00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:56.010
  • SAYS, "IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE DOING
  • 00:39:56.010 --> 00:39:57.140
  • THE RIGHT THING WHEN NO ONE'S
  • 00:39:57.140 --> 00:39:59.080
  • WATCHING," AND, YOU KNOW--
  • 00:39:59.080 --> 00:40:00.160
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.140
  • AND THAT IS MOTIVATED BY A LOVE
  • 00:40:02.140 --> 00:40:04.130
  • OF JESUS, A LOVE OF OTHER
  • 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:07.010
  • PEOPLE, OF WANTING TO DO RIGHT
  • 00:40:07.010 --> 00:40:08.170
  • BY THEM.
  • 00:40:08.170 --> 00:40:09.230
  • IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:40:09.270 --> 00:40:12.270
  • SLAPPING SOMEONE ON, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:40:12.270 --> 00:40:15.170
  • THE BACK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEIR
  • 00:40:15.170 --> 00:40:17.030
  • BACK IS TURNED, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:40:17.030 --> 00:40:18.150
  • I GUESS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF,
  • 00:40:18.150 --> 00:40:19.270
  • YOU KNOW, REALLY, THAT
  • 00:40:19.270 --> 00:40:21.070
  • FUNDAMENTAL, JUST, VALUING
  • 00:40:21.070 --> 00:40:24.000
  • OTHERS, AND THAT'S FOUNDATIONAL
  • 00:40:24.110 --> 00:40:27.110
  • TO DEMOCRACY, AND I THINK THAT
  • 00:40:27.110 --> 00:40:28.240
  • THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME, THAT
  • 00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:30.130
  • EPISODE.
  • 00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:32.070
  • - KARL: SORRY TO INTERRUPT
  • 00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:33.130
  • WITH A LIGHTER MOMENT,
  • 00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:34.000
  • THAT INTERVIEW-- SO JANE WORKED
  • 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.270
  • FOR, LIKE, SIX MONTHS, TO GET
  • 00:40:35.270 --> 00:40:36.240
  • THAT INTERVIEW.
  • 00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:38.030
  • THAT WAS REALLY HARD TO GET FOR
  • 00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:40.090
  • US FROM AUSTRALIA, AND ERIC
  • 00:40:40.090 --> 00:40:41.230
  • METAXAS GAVE US 45 MINUTES, AND
  • 00:40:41.230 --> 00:40:43.250
  • SO WE WERE ALL SET AND READY TO
  • 00:40:43.250 --> 00:40:46.080
  • GO.
  • 00:40:46.080 --> 00:40:46.240
  • WE HAD THIS SOHO DEPARTMENT IN
  • 00:40:46.240 --> 00:40:48.270
  • SOHO, NEW YORK.
  • 00:40:48.270 --> 00:40:51.090
  • IT WAS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF
  • 00:40:51.090 --> 00:40:52.150
  • THIS OLD BUILDING, SO HE COMES
  • 00:40:52.150 --> 00:40:54.170
  • UP.
  • 00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:54.290
  • YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR
  • 00:40:54.290 --> 00:40:55.210
  • THIS FOR AGES.
  • 00:40:55.210 --> 00:40:56.040
  • HE'S ONE OF KEY PEOPLE WE WANT
  • 00:40:56.040 --> 00:40:56.250
  • ON THE SERIES.
  • 00:40:56.250 --> 00:40:57.080
  • THERE'S A LOT OF TENSION AROUND
  • 00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:58.000
  • THIS WALKING IN.
  • 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.070
  • SO HE WALKS IN.
  • 00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:01.100
  • HE GREETS EVERYBODY.
  • 00:41:01.100 --> 00:41:02.020
  • WE'RE ABOUT TO ROLL IN THE
  • 00:41:02.020 --> 00:41:03.090
  • INTERVIEW, AND HE SAYS, "LOOK,
  • 00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:04.100
  • I'LL JUST GO TO THE BATHROOM,
  • 00:41:04.100 --> 00:41:06.090
  • AND WE'LL GET STARTED."
  • 00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:06.270
  • WHILE HE'S IN THE BATHROOM,
  • 00:41:06.270 --> 00:41:07.170
  • YOU KNOW THAT NOISE OF FIRE
  • 00:41:07.170 --> 00:41:08.230
  • ENGINES IN NEW YORK?
  • 00:41:08.230 --> 00:41:11.070
  • YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF-- WE LOOK
  • 00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:12.010
  • OUT THE WINDOW.
  • 00:41:12.060 --> 00:41:15.060
  • THERE ARE FOUR OF THE BIGGEST
  • 00:41:15.060 --> 00:41:15.280
  • FIRE ENGINES I'VE EVER SEEN,
  • 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.210
  • PARKED AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR
  • 00:41:17.210 --> 00:41:19.040
  • BUILDING, AND THEY'RE BUILDING--
  • 00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:20.150
  • - TOM: WITH SIRENS RUNNING?
  • 00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:21.230
  • - KARL: YES, AND THE BUILDING
  • 00:41:21.230 --> 00:41:22.140
  • ACROSS THE ROAD IS ON FIRE.
  • 00:41:22.140 --> 00:41:23.220
  • IT'S LIKE THERE'S SMOKE COMING
  • 00:41:23.220 --> 00:41:24.130
  • OUTSIDE, AND WE'RE LIKE, "WE'VE
  • 00:41:24.130 --> 00:41:26.000
  • BEEN WAITING SIX MONTHS FOR THIS
  • 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.130
  • INTERVIEW," AND WE ALL LOOKED AT
  • 00:41:27.130 --> 00:41:29.020
  • EACH OTHER.
  • 00:41:29.020 --> 00:41:29.260
  • JANE WAS TEARING HER HAIR OUT,
  • 00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:31.070
  • LITERALLY-- [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:41:31.070 --> 00:41:33.200
  • -- AND WE BASICALLY SAID,
  • 00:41:33.200 --> 00:41:34.180
  • "WHAT'RE WE GONNA DO?"
  • 00:41:34.180 --> 00:41:35.050
  • AND HE SAID, "WELL, HE'S GONNA
  • 00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:35.260
  • STAND THERE.
  • 00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:36.160
  • WE'RE GONNA INTERVIEW HIM, AND
  • 00:41:36.160 --> 00:41:37.230
  • IF THERE'S A FIREMAN GOING UP A
  • 00:41:37.230 --> 00:41:38.290
  • LADDER OUTSIDE, SO BE IT."
  • 00:41:38.290 --> 00:41:41.100
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:42.010
  • - TOM: WOW, BRING THE DRAMA.
  • 00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:43.180
  • - KARL: BRING THE DRAMA.
  • 00:41:43.180 --> 00:41:44.190
  • - JANE: IT WAS DRAMA.
  • 00:41:44.190 --> 00:41:45.210
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:41:46.290 --> 00:41:49.290
  • - TOM: CAN I JUST SAY,
  • 00:41:49.290 --> 00:41:52.010
  • SOMETIMES WE HAVE INTERRUPTIONS.
  • 00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:54.130
  • SOMETIMES WE HAVE DIVINE
  • 00:41:54.130 --> 00:41:57.080
  • INTERRUPTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND
  • 00:41:57.080 --> 00:41:59.040
  • THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU CAN'T PLAN
  • 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.020
  • ON 'EM.
  • 00:42:00.020 --> 00:42:01.130
  • YOU DON'T WANNA PLAN ON 'EM.
  • 00:42:01.130 --> 00:42:04.030
  • YOU KNOW, YOU HOPE THAT THOSE
  • 00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:05.020
  • THINGS DON'T HAPPEN, BUT THEY
  • 00:42:05.020 --> 00:42:06.260
  • DO, AND, YET SOMEHOW, IN ALL OF
  • 00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:09.120
  • OUR LIVES, WE HAVE THESE
  • 00:42:09.120 --> 00:42:10.270
  • UNEXPECTED MOMENTS WHERE, IF WE
  • 00:42:10.270 --> 00:42:13.240
  • APPROACH THEM PROPERLY, THEY CAN
  • 00:42:13.240 --> 00:42:16.040
  • BE GAME-CHANGING MOMENTS, SO,
  • 00:42:16.040 --> 00:42:18.060
  • KARL, HOW DID YOU WEAVE THROUGH
  • 00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:20.080
  • THAT?
  • 00:42:20.080 --> 00:42:21.270
  • I MEAN, DID THE TRUCK STOP SOON?
  • 00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:22.190
  • WHAT HAPPENED?
  • 00:42:22.190 --> 00:42:23.050
  • - KARL: ESSENTIALLY, THEY ALL
  • 00:42:23.050 --> 00:42:24.040
  • PULLED UP AT THE BOTTOM AND
  • 00:42:24.040 --> 00:42:25.190
  • TURNED THEIR SIRENS OFF, PRAISE
  • 00:42:25.190 --> 00:42:27.000
  • GOD, AND THEN, IN THE END, IT
  • 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.070
  • WASN'T A BIG DEAL, SO THEY
  • 00:42:29.070 --> 00:42:31.040
  • JUST-- I MEAN, HALFWAY THROUGH
  • 00:42:31.040 --> 00:42:32.070
  • THE INTERVIEW, I THOUGHT I HEARD
  • 00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:33.080
  • SOME SORT OF LOUD ENGINE NOISES
  • 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:34.280
  • AS THEY ROLLED AWAY, BUT,
  • 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:36.050
  • REALLY, IT'S JUST TRUST.
  • 00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:37.190
  • YOU KNOW, YOU JUST TRUST IN GOD
  • 00:42:37.190 --> 00:42:39.140
  • THAT THIS'LL HAPPEN.
  • 00:42:39.140 --> 00:42:40.110
  • YOU'RE TURNING UP, TRUSTING THAT
  • 00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:41.280
  • EVERYTHING WILL LINE UP.
  • 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.280
  • AND LIKE HASHIM GARRETT, WE
  • 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.150
  • INTERVIEWED HASHIM GARRETT IN
  • 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:46.160
  • CENTRAL PARK, AND IT WAS IN
  • 00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:48.140
  • DECEMBER, AND WE WERE ALL
  • 00:42:48.140 --> 00:42:50.060
  • GOING, "WELL, LET'S HOPE IT'S A
  • 00:42:50.060 --> 00:42:52.010
  • NICE DAY," 'CAUSE IF IT'S-- YOU
  • 00:42:52.010 --> 00:42:53.250
  • KNOW, HE COULD SUFFER FROM
  • 00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:54.250
  • FROSTBITE OUT THERE SO-- AND
  • 00:42:54.250 --> 00:42:57.130
  • THAT WAS A GORGEOUS DAY, SO, YOU
  • 00:42:57.130 --> 00:42:58.280
  • KNOW, GOD WENT BEFORE US EVEN IN
  • 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.080
  • THE MOMENTS WHERE THE BEEFEATER
  • 00:43:00.080 --> 00:43:01.190
  • TURNED UP OR THE FIRE BRIGADE
  • 00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:02.110
  • TURNED UP.
  • 00:43:02.110 --> 00:43:04.040
  • IT TURNED OUT OKAY, AND SO IT
  • 00:43:04.040 --> 00:43:04.250
  • CERTAINLY ADDED A SENSE OF DRAMA
  • 00:43:04.250 --> 00:43:06.010
  • FOR US.
  • 00:43:06.010 --> 00:43:06.210
  • - TOM: WOW, I REMEMBER VERY
  • 00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:08.260
  • DISTINCTLY, I WAS IN A FILM
  • 00:43:08.260 --> 00:43:11.020
  • CALLED "RESURRECTION MORNING."
  • 00:43:11.020 --> 00:43:12.170
  • I WAS PLAYING JESUS AT THE TIME.
  • 00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:13.280
  • IT WAS A MAX LUCADO STORY, AND
  • 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.250
  • WE WERE SHOOTING A SCHEDULED
  • 00:43:15.250 --> 00:43:17.100
  • SHOOT IN OCTOBER, SO WE WEREN'T
  • 00:43:17.100 --> 00:43:18.160
  • EXPECTING ANYTHING TOO TERRIBLE.
  • 00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:20.240
  • IT WAS 38 DEGREES-- 38 DEGREES,
  • 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:23.210
  • AND THE SCENE CALLS ARE GONNA--
  • 00:43:23.210 --> 00:43:25.250
  • JESUS, THAT'S ME, HANGIN' ON THE
  • 00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:28.050
  • CROSS.
  • 00:43:28.050 --> 00:43:28.210
  • I'M UP THERE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR,
  • 00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:30.160
  • JUST TO GET THE SHOT RIGHT, AND
  • 00:43:30.160 --> 00:43:31.160
  • THEY'VE GOT FIRE TRUCKS SPRAYIN'
  • 00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:33.030
  • WATER.
  • 00:43:33.030 --> 00:43:33.230
  • WELL, IT'S-- WHEN IT'S COMIN'
  • 00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:36.030
  • UP, IT'S HITTIN' ME.
  • 00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:36.290
  • IT'S 38 DEGREES.
  • 00:43:36.290 --> 00:43:38.110
  • I'M SUPPOSED TO BE NOW DEAD ON
  • 00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:39.220
  • THE CROSS, AND I'M JUST-- I'M
  • 00:43:39.220 --> 00:43:41.040
  • JUST SHIVERIN', SHIVERIN' LIKE A
  • 00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:44.030
  • LEAF, YOU KNOW, STUFF YOU CAN'T
  • 00:43:44.030 --> 00:43:45.170
  • PLAN ON, AND THEN I'M LAYIN
  • 00:43:45.170 --> 00:43:47.050
  • 'DOWN THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, MARY
  • 00:43:47.050 --> 00:43:49.160
  • AND THE DISCIPLES TAKE CARE OF
  • 00:43:49.160 --> 00:43:51.030
  • ME, AND I GOT FROST COMIN' OUT
  • 00:43:51.030 --> 00:43:51.240
  • MY MOUTH, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST
  • 00:43:51.240 --> 00:43:53.250
  • LIKE THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T
  • 00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:55.020
  • COUNT ON IN PRODUCTION HAPPENS,
  • 00:43:55.020 --> 00:43:56.120
  • SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING
  • 00:43:56.120 --> 00:43:58.030
  • AND GETTING IT RIGHT, AND THAT'S
  • 00:43:58.030 --> 00:43:59.120
  • WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SO AMAZING
  • 00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:01.200
  • COMING EXCLUSIVELY TO TBN IN
  • 00:44:04.190 --> 00:44:05.160
  • ABOUT A WEEK.
  • 00:44:05.160 --> 00:44:07.130
  • I'M SO HAPPY IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY
  • 00:44:07.130 --> 00:44:08.260
  • BE PREMIERING TUESDAY,
  • 00:44:08.260 --> 00:44:10.140
  • SEPTEMBER 4, 9:30 EASTERN, RIGHT
  • 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
  • HERE, EXCLUSIVELY ON TBN.
  • 00:44:15.120 --> 00:44:18.120
  • - JANE: WE'RE EXCITED.
  • 00:44:18.120 --> 00:44:19.240
  • - TOM: KARL, PEOPLE DIDN'T
  • 00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:22.260
  • MAYBE EXPECT TO TUNE IN AND SEE
  • 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.170
  • THIS TONIGHT.
  • 00:44:24.170 --> 00:44:25.100
  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THOSE
  • 00:44:25.100 --> 00:44:27.090
  • FOLKS THAT JUST TURNED IN TO SEE
  • 00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:28.220
  • A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A UPCOMING
  • 00:44:28.220 --> 00:44:30.000
  • SHOW ABOUT "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.030
  • CHANGER"?
  • 00:44:31.030 --> 00:44:32.120
  • WHAT CAN JESUS DO IN THEIR LIFE
  • 00:44:32.120 --> 00:44:33.190
  • RIGHT NOW?
  • 00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:34.200
  • - KARL: WELL, IT'S A REMARKABLE
  • 00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:36.120
  • THOUGHT.
  • 00:44:36.120 --> 00:44:37.180
  • WE INTERVIEWED A GUY CALLED
  • 00:44:37.180 --> 00:44:38.230
  • STEVEN SKIENA, WHO IS JUST A
  • 00:44:38.230 --> 00:44:40.020
  • COMPUTER SCIENTIST WHO LOOKED AT
  • 00:44:40.020 --> 00:44:41.250
  • WHO WAS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL
  • 00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:43.020
  • PERSON IN HUMAN HISTORY, AND
  • 00:44:43.020 --> 00:44:44.110
  • AFTER LOOKING ACROSS ALL OF
  • 00:44:44.110 --> 00:44:47.000
  • HISTORY-- I WON'T GO INTO ALL
  • 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.060
  • THE DETAILS-- HE COMES UP WITH
  • 00:44:48.060 --> 00:44:48.270
  • THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN
  • 00:44:48.270 --> 00:44:51.000
  • HUMAN HISTORY IS JESUS OF
  • 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.120
  • NAZARETH, WHICH IS INTERESTING
  • 00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:54.200
  • BECAUSE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:44:54.200 --> 00:44:55.270
  • WHAT JESUS LEFT, THAT'S REALLY
  • 00:44:55.270 --> 00:44:56.280
  • SURPRISING.
  • 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.260
  • HE DIDN'T WRITE A BOOK.
  • 00:44:59.230 --> 00:45:00.130
  • HE DIDN'T OWN ANYTHING.
  • 00:45:00.130 --> 00:45:01.010
  • HE HAD NO POLITICAL POWER.
  • 00:45:01.010 --> 00:45:01.200
  • HE DIDN'T LEAVE MUCH, BUT HERE
  • 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:03.080
  • WE ARE, 2.000 YEARS LATER, AND
  • 00:45:03.080 --> 00:45:05.210
  • WHO'S THE PERSON THAT A COMPUTER
  • 00:45:05.210 --> 00:45:08.060
  • SCIENTIST DISCOVERS IS THE MOST
  • 00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:09.130
  • INFLUENTIAL PERSON?
  • 00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:11.150
  • JESUS OF NAZARETH.
  • 00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:13.070
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:19.260
  • AND I TELL YOU, THAT'S NOT JUST
  • 00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:22.240
  • SOMETHING OF INTEREST.
  • 00:45:22.240 --> 00:45:24.160
  • THAT'S A GAME CHANGER BECAUSE
  • 00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:26.120
  • JESUS'S INFLUENCE ACROSS HUMAN
  • 00:45:26.120 --> 00:45:28.270
  • HISTORY MEANS THAT JESUS
  • 00:45:28.270 --> 00:45:30.060
  • INFLUENCES HERE NOW, RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:45:30.060 --> 00:45:32.080
  • RIGHT IN THIS MOMENT, AND HE
  • 00:45:32.080 --> 00:45:33.240
  • WANTS TO INFLUENCE YOU.
  • 00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:35.000
  • HE WANTS TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.240
  • CHANGE THE GAME FOR YOU, CHANGE
  • 00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:38.140
  • YOUR FUTURE, REALIGN WHO YOU
  • 00:45:38.140 --> 00:45:40.280
  • ARE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING, AND
  • 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.080
  • WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE,
  • 00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:43.250
  • SO PUTTING YOUR LIFE IN THE
  • 00:45:43.250 --> 00:45:46.100
  • HANDS OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL
  • 00:45:46.100 --> 00:45:48.070
  • PERSON IN HUMAN HISTORY IS ONLY
  • 00:45:48.070 --> 00:45:49.190
  • A WISE CHOICE.
  • 00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:51.180
  • BLESS YOU.
  • 00:45:51.180 --> 00:45:54.070
  • - TOM: AMEN, AMEN, FATHER,
  • 00:45:54.070 --> 00:45:56.130
  • AMEN.
  • 00:45:56.130 --> 00:45:57.080
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:45:57.080 --> 00:45:59.100
  • - KARL: THANK YOU.
  • 00:45:59.240 --> 00:46:02.260
  • - TOM: JESUS-- THERE'S STORIES
  • 00:46:02.260 --> 00:46:05.110
  • IN SCRIPTURE THAT ALWAYS CATCH
  • 00:46:05.110 --> 00:46:07.110
  • US BY SURPRISE.
  • 00:46:07.110 --> 00:46:08.250
  • THERE'S WALKAWAY THINGS THAT
  • 00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:10.220
  • PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AT THE
  • 00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:12.100
  • MOMENT, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:46:12.100 --> 00:46:14.120
  • WHEN YOU READ ABOUT WHAT JESUS
  • 00:46:14.120 --> 00:46:16.020
  • DID, HE WENT AROUND, AND HE
  • 00:46:16.020 --> 00:46:17.200
  • BASICALLY TOLD STORIES.
  • 00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:19.180
  • JESUS DIDN'T QUOTE SCRIPTURE
  • 00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:21.220
  • EXCEPT TO PHARISEES AND SCRIBES,
  • 00:46:21.220 --> 00:46:23.200
  • BUT WHEN HE'S OUT WITH COMMON
  • 00:46:23.200 --> 00:46:25.010
  • PEOPLE, HE JUST TOLD STORIES
  • 00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:27.000
  • THAT HAVE THESE AMAZING IMPACTS,
  • 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.060
  • AND I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THAT
  • 00:46:29.060 --> 00:46:31.030
  • MOST PEOPLE HAD A CLUE, REALLY,
  • 00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:33.150
  • OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN HIS
  • 00:46:33.150 --> 00:46:34.270
  • PARABLES UNTIL TWO OR THREE DAYS
  • 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:38.010
  • LATER THEY WOULD SAY, "OH, I--
  • 00:46:38.010 --> 00:46:38.260
  • I-- I-- MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THAT
  • 00:46:38.260 --> 00:46:39.270
  • WAS," YOU KNOW?
  • 00:46:39.270 --> 00:46:41.190
  • BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STORIES
  • 00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:43.130
  • OF THE LAME MAN, THE FOUR
  • 00:46:43.230 --> 00:46:46.230
  • FRIENDS TEARING THE ROOF OFF IT
  • 00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:48.050
  • AND LOWERING JESUS IN THE MIDST
  • 00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:50.290
  • OF IT, YOU TALK ABOUT A
  • 00:46:50.290 --> 00:46:53.110
  • GAME-CHANGING SITUATION.
  • 00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:54.060
  • NOW, IT'S NOT A COMMON THING FOR
  • 00:46:54.060 --> 00:46:55.090
  • US TO TEAR A ROOF OFF OF
  • 00:46:55.090 --> 00:46:57.180
  • SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND LOWER
  • 00:46:57.180 --> 00:46:58.250
  • SOMEBODY WITH ROPES DOWN ONTO
  • 00:46:58.250 --> 00:47:01.000
  • THE FLOOR, BUT JESUS TOOK AN
  • 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.060
  • EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION LIKE
  • 00:47:03.060 --> 00:47:04.230
  • THAT, AND HE DIDN'T JUST LET
  • 00:47:04.230 --> 00:47:06.170
  • THAT STOP THERE.
  • 00:47:06.170 --> 00:47:07.200
  • HE ALSO, THEN, SAID, "WELL, YOUR
  • 00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:11.120
  • SINS ARE FORGIVEN YOU."
  • 00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:12.070
  • HE DIDN'T SAY,
  • 00:47:12.070 --> 00:47:13.000
  • "RISE UP AND WALK."
  • 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:13.250
  • IT WAS JUST, "YOUR SINS ARE
  • 00:47:13.250 --> 00:47:14.280
  • FORGIVEN YOU."
  • 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.240
  • WHY DID HE DO THAT?
  • 00:47:16.240 --> 00:47:17.230
  • BECAUSE HE'S SURROUNDED WITH
  • 00:47:17.230 --> 00:47:19.000
  • SCRIBES, PHARISEES, RELIGIOUS
  • 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.230
  • PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE TO TRY TO
  • 00:47:20.230 --> 00:47:22.110
  • CATCH HIM IN SOMETHING HE WAS
  • 00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:23.100
  • TEACHING.
  • 00:47:23.100 --> 00:47:23.240
  • NOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN SIMPLE
  • 00:47:23.240 --> 00:47:25.130
  • JUST TO SAY, "WELL, BE HEALED,"
  • 00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:27.020
  • AND THAT WOULD'VE ENDED IT.
  • 00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:28.180
  • THE GUY WOULD'VE GOT UP, ROLLED
  • 00:47:28.180 --> 00:47:29.140
  • UP HIS BAG AND WALKED OUT, BUT
  • 00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:30.190
  • HE DIDN'T.
  • 00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:32.040
  • HE SAID, "YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN
  • 00:47:32.040 --> 00:47:33.230
  • YOU."
  • 00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:34.290
  • HE WAS A GAME CHANGER BECAUSE
  • 00:47:34.290 --> 00:47:36.180
  • HE TURNED EVERYTHING ON
  • 00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:37.170
  • ITS HEAD.
  • 00:47:37.170 --> 00:47:38.230
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY HE WORKED,
  • 00:47:38.230 --> 00:47:41.090
  • WHERE PEOPLE WALKED AWAY GOING,
  • 00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:42.160
  • "WHAT-- WHAT-- WHAT?"
  • 00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:44.030
  • AND SO, WHAT COULD THE SCRIBES
  • 00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.130
  • AND THE PHARISEES SAY?
  • 00:47:46.130 --> 00:47:47.140
  • "WHO HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE?"
  • 00:47:47.140 --> 00:47:48.080
  • SON, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
  • 00:47:48.080 --> 00:47:49.050
  • THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF
  • 00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:50.220
  • ADULTERY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES HE
  • 00:47:50.220 --> 00:47:52.270
  • DO IN THAT SITUATION, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:47:52.270 --> 00:47:55.000
  • "BUT MOSES SAYS SHE SHOULD BE
  • 00:47:55.230 --> 00:47:58.230
  • STONED.
  • 00:47:58.230 --> 00:47:59.100
  • WHAT DO YOU SAY, RABBI?"
  • 00:47:59.100 --> 00:48:00.110
  • BENDS DOWN, AND HE STARTS
  • 00:48:00.110 --> 00:48:01.090
  • WRITING IN THE DIRT.
  • 00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:02.100
  • YOU KNOW, HE JUST-- HE TURNED
  • 00:48:02.100 --> 00:48:03.180
  • EVERYTHING ON ITS HEAD, AND IT
  • 00:48:05.120 --> 00:48:08.120
  • SEEMS LIKE, WELL, WHO HAS THE
  • 00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:10.050
  • TIME TO EVEN THINK OF THOSE
  • 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:11.110
  • THINGS?
  • 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:12.030
  • HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
  • 00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.100
  • AND HE WRITES, AND HE JUST SAYS,
  • 00:48:13.100 --> 00:48:14.200
  • "WELL, HE WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE
  • 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:17.150
  • FIRST STONE."
  • 00:48:17.150 --> 00:48:19.230
  • BUT HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT,
  • 00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:21.200
  • "WHERE WAS THE MAN
  • 00:48:21.200 --> 00:48:22.160
  • CAUGHT IN ADULTERY?"
  • 00:48:22.160 --> 00:48:23.100
  • I MEAN, THEY HAULED THE WOMAN
  • 00:48:23.100 --> 00:48:25.160
  • OUT, BUT WHERE'S THE GUY,
  • 00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:26.070
  • YOU KNOW?
  • 00:48:26.070 --> 00:48:28.160
  • I THINK THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HE
  • 00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:29.270
  • WAS GETTING AT WHEN HE SAID, YOU
  • 00:48:29.270 --> 00:48:30.270
  • KNOW, THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THIS
  • 00:48:30.270 --> 00:48:32.180
  • WHOLE THING.
  • 00:48:32.180 --> 00:48:34.070
  • HE JUST KEPT CHANGING THINGS AND
  • 00:48:34.100 --> 00:48:37.100
  • TURNED IT ON ITS HEAD.
  • 00:48:37.100 --> 00:48:38.180
  • - KARL: TOM, ONE OF THE PLACES
  • 00:48:38.180 --> 00:48:41.050
  • THAT JESUS DID THAT THAT, IN
  • 00:48:41.050 --> 00:48:42.270
  • THIS SERIES, SPOKE TO ME IN A
  • 00:48:42.270 --> 00:48:43.220
  • WAY THAT NEVER DONE-- HADN'T
  • 00:48:43.220 --> 00:48:45.240
  • EVER BEFORE, WAS WHEN JESUS
  • 00:48:45.240 --> 00:48:47.140
  • GIVES THE STORY, THE PICTURE, OF
  • 00:48:47.140 --> 00:48:48.280
  • AND ALL THE NATIONS ARE BEFORE
  • 00:48:51.290 --> 00:48:53.070
  • GOD, AND GOD SEPARATES THE SHEEP
  • 00:48:53.070 --> 00:48:55.240
  • FROM THE GOATS, THE SHEEP ON THE
  • 00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:57.180
  • RIGHT FROM THE GOATS ON THE
  • 00:48:57.180 --> 00:48:59.020
  • LEFT, AND THEN THERE'S THESE
  • 00:48:59.020 --> 00:49:00.180
  • WORDS, AND THE TROUBLE IS, WE
  • 00:49:00.180 --> 00:49:01.220
  • KNOW THESE WORDS SO WELL, THEY
  • 00:49:01.220 --> 00:49:03.100
  • KIND OF HAVE A LESS IMPACT ON US
  • 00:49:03.100 --> 00:49:04.020
  • "COME INTO MY ETERNAL GLORY
  • 00:49:06.170 --> 00:49:07.220
  • BECAUSE I WAS NAKED, AND YOU
  • 00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:09.170
  • CLOTHED ME.
  • 00:49:09.170 --> 00:49:10.230
  • I WAS SICK, AND YOU LOOKED AFTER
  • 00:49:10.230 --> 00:49:11.290
  • ME.
  • 00:49:11.290 --> 00:49:12.130
  • I WAS HUNGRY, AND YOU FED ME.
  • 00:49:12.130 --> 00:49:13.240
  • I WAS IN PRISON, AND YOU VISITED
  • 00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:15.060
  • ME."
  • 00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:17.080
  • AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO
  • 00:49:17.080 --> 00:49:18.050
  • IN-- AND THIS IS A LOOSE
  • 00:49:18.050 --> 00:49:19.270
  • TRANSLATION, TOM, BUT THE PEOPLE
  • 00:49:19.270 --> 00:49:21.050
  • ABOUT TO GO INTO THE ETERNAL
  • 00:49:21.050 --> 00:49:22.220
  • GLORY TURN BACK TO THE KING, TO
  • 00:49:22.220 --> 00:49:24.220
  • GOD, AND THEY SAY, "LOOK, WE'RE
  • 00:49:24.220 --> 00:49:26.250
  • REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE SHEEP ON
  • 00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:28.290
  • THE RIGHT AND NOT GOATS ON THE
  • 00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:30.060
  • LEFT, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD
  • 00:49:30.060 --> 00:49:31.150
  • TO YOUR ETERNAL GLORY, BUT WHEN
  • 00:49:31.150 --> 00:49:32.110
  • EXACTLY DID WE SEE YOU NAKED OR
  • 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:33.280
  • SEE YOU THIRSTY OR HUNGRY OR IN
  • 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.070
  • PRISON?"
  • 00:49:36.070 --> 00:49:37.230
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE
  • 00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:39.040
  • MIGHT'VE REMEMBERED, AND WE
  • 00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:40.260
  • DON'T REMEMBER, AND JESUS SAID A
  • 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:42.130
  • SET OF WORDS THAT LITERALLY,
  • 00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:44.140
  • LITERALLY CHANGE THE WORLD:
  • 00:49:44.140 --> 00:49:46.040
  • "WHATEVER YOU DID TO THE LEAST
  • 00:49:46.040 --> 00:49:47.210
  • OF THESE, YOU DID FOR ME."
  • 00:49:47.210 --> 00:49:50.050
  • [APPLAUSE]
  • 00:49:50.050 --> 00:49:51.220
  • REMARKABLE, 'CAUSE IT MEANT
  • 00:49:51.220 --> 00:49:54.130
  • THAT, IN HUMAN HISTORY, THAT
  • 00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:58.110
  • WHENEVER SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING
  • 00:49:59.180 --> 00:50:02.180
  • AND EVERYBODY ELSE LEFT PEOPLE
  • 00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:06.010
  • IN THE DIRT TO DIE, PEOPLE SAID,
  • 00:50:06.010 --> 00:50:08.050
  • "WE FOLLOW A GUY THAT SAID,
  • 00:50:08.270 --> 00:50:11.270
  • 'WHATEVER YOU DID TO THE LEAST
  • 00:50:11.270 --> 00:50:13.040
  • OF THESE, YOU DID FOR ME,'" AND
  • 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:14.250
  • SO, AS RODNEY STARK TOLD US, IN
  • 00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:17.010
  • THE TWO GREAT PLAGUES IN 165
  • 00:50:17.010 --> 00:50:18.130
  • A.D.
  • 00:50:18.130 --> 00:50:19.200
  • AND 251 A.D., WHERE BETWEEN 25
  • 00:50:19.200 --> 00:50:21.210
  • TO 30% OF THE POPULATION DIED,
  • 00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:23.190
  • EVERYBODY LEFT TOWN THAT COULD
  • 00:50:23.190 --> 00:50:26.010
  • 'CAUSE THAT TOWN'S-- GATHERING
  • 00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:28.100
  • IN TOWNS WERE THE PLACES THAT
  • 00:50:28.100 --> 00:50:29.150
  • THE PLAGUE HIT MOST, SO THE
  • 00:50:29.150 --> 00:50:30.230
  • POLITICIANS LEAVE, THE PAGAN
  • 00:50:30.230 --> 00:50:33.050
  • PRIESTS LEAVE, THE WEALTHY
  • 00:50:33.050 --> 00:50:34.050
  • LEAVE.
  • 00:50:34.050 --> 00:50:34.290
  • WHO STAYED?
  • 00:50:34.290 --> 00:50:35.240
  • THE PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER THEY
  • 00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:37.080
  • FOLLOW THE GUY THAT SAID,
  • 00:50:37.080 --> 00:50:38.220
  • "WHATEVER YOU DID TO THE LEAST
  • 00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:39.250
  • OF THESE, MY BRETHREN, YOU DID
  • 00:50:39.250 --> 00:50:41.230
  • FOR ME," AND THAT LITERALLY
  • 00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:42.210
  • CHANGED THE WORLD.
  • 00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:44.030
  • - TOM: WOW, "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:46.050
  • CHANGER," BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:47.020
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.280
  • - TOM: KARL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE
  • 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.290
  • BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE NEW
  • 00:50:54.290 --> 00:50:57.040
  • SERIES, "JESUS THE GAME
  • 00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:58.060
  • AND WE'VE BEEN SHOWING JUST
  • 00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:02.000
  • LITTLE SNIPPETS.
  • 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.270
  • THERE'S 13 EPISODES IN THE FIRST
  • 00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:04.280
  • SEASON WE'RE SO EXCITED TO
  • 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.020
  • SHARE.
  • 00:51:07.020 --> 00:51:07.250
  • YOU SAY, IS IT JO VITALE?
  • 00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:11.120
  • - KARL: YES.
  • 00:51:11.120 --> 00:51:12.180
  • - TOM: JO VITALE ON WOMEN.
  • 00:51:12.180 --> 00:51:13.230
  • LET'S WATCH THAT CLIP.
  • 00:51:13.290 --> 00:51:16.290
  • - KARL: INTO THAT SETTING,
  • 00:51:16.290 --> 00:51:17.260
  • JESUS COMES
  • 00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:18.250
  • - JO VITALE: YES.
  • 00:51:18.250 --> 00:51:19.140
  • - KARL: SO HOW DID JESUS TREAT
  • 00:51:19.140 --> 00:51:20.220
  • WOMEN AROUND HERE?
  • 00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.290
  • - JO: YEAH, I THINK, THE MORE
  • 00:51:21.290 --> 00:51:22.250
  • YOU STUDY THE CULTURE OF THE
  • 00:51:22.250 --> 00:51:24.240
  • TIME, THE MORE ASTONISHING IT IS
  • 00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:26.100
  • THE WAY THAT JESUS TREATS WOMEN.
  • 00:51:26.100 --> 00:51:27.140
  • I MEAN, HE GREW UP AT A TIME
  • 00:51:27.140 --> 00:51:28.230
  • WHERE JEWISH MEN WOULD REGULARLY
  • 00:51:28.230 --> 00:51:30.050
  • PRAY, YOU KNOW, "THANK YOU, GOD,
  • 00:51:30.050 --> 00:51:31.260
  • THAT I'M NOT A GENTILE, A SLAVE,
  • 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:33.030
  • OR A WOMAN," AND, YET YOU HAVE
  • 00:51:33.030 --> 00:51:35.050
  • JESUS COMING ONTO THE SCENE, AND
  • 00:51:35.050 --> 00:51:36.040
  • EVEN IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE WAY
  • 00:51:36.040 --> 00:51:37.100
  • HE SOCIALLY INTERACTS WITH
  • 00:51:37.100 --> 00:51:38.080
  • WOMEN, IT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:51:38.080 --> 00:51:39.010
  • I MEAN, SO OFTEN, THESE WOMEN
  • 00:51:39.010 --> 00:51:41.000
  • WERE SEGREGATED AND SECLUDED,
  • 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.180
  • AND, YET JESUS COUNTED
  • 00:51:43.180 --> 00:51:44.130
  • THEM AMONG HIS FRIENDS,
  • 00:51:44.130 --> 00:51:45.150
  • BUT HE'S FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED
  • 00:51:45.150 --> 00:51:47.050
  • BY THEM.
  • 00:51:47.050 --> 00:51:48.050
  • HE TRAVELS WITH THESE WOMEN AND,
  • 00:51:48.050 --> 00:51:49.290
  • YOU KNOW, EVEN TO THE POINT
  • 00:51:49.290 --> 00:51:51.190
  • WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT HIM,
  • 00:51:51.190 --> 00:51:52.110
  • AND HE'S GETTING A BAD
  • 00:51:52.110 --> 00:51:52.280
  • REPUTATION FOR IT.
  • 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:53.160
  • THEY'RE SAYING, "OH, HE
  • 00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:54.250
  • ASSOCIATES WITH PROSTITUTES AND
  • 00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:56.190
  • SINNERS," BUT JESUS WAS MORE
  • 00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:57.200
  • CONCERNED ABOUT WELCOMING THESE
  • 00:51:57.200 --> 00:51:58.120
  • WOMEN THAN HE IS ABOUT HIS OWN
  • 00:51:58.120 --> 00:51:59.180
  • REPUTATION.
  • 00:51:59.180 --> 00:52:01.100
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:52:04.170 --> 00:52:07.170
  • - TOM: JESUS SEEMED TO TAKE A
  • 00:52:07.170 --> 00:52:10.140
  • VERY DIFFERENT LOOK AT ALMOST
  • 00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:11.110
  • EVERYTHING.
  • 00:52:11.110 --> 00:52:13.220
  • I GUESS JESUS AS GOD BASICALLY
  • 00:52:13.270 --> 00:52:16.270
  • CAME TO SHOW US THE WAY GOD
  • 00:52:16.270 --> 00:52:18.040
  • WANTED US TO SEE THINGS.
  • 00:52:18.040 --> 00:52:18.220
  • THAT CLIP WAS FROM "JESUS THE
  • 00:52:18.220 --> 00:52:20.250
  • GAME CHANGER," AND IT WAS A
  • 00:52:20.250 --> 00:52:22.150
  • DISCUSSION ON WOMEN.
  • 00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:24.150
  • TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT
  • 00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:25.250
  • INTERVIEW AND WHERE ALL THAT
  • 00:52:25.250 --> 00:52:26.210
  • - KARL: JO VITALE IS A SCHOLAR
  • 00:52:28.120 --> 00:52:30.100
  • FROM OXFORD AND NOW LIVES IN
  • 00:52:30.100 --> 00:52:31.080
  • AMERICA.
  • 00:52:31.080 --> 00:52:31.260
  • SHE'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT,
  • 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:33.240
  • BRILLIANT YOUNG WOMAN, YOUNGER
  • 00:52:33.240 --> 00:52:34.290
  • WOMAN, AND SHE HAS GREAT MIND,
  • 00:52:34.290 --> 00:52:36.180
  • AND SHE, KIND OF-- THE CHURCH
  • 00:52:36.180 --> 00:52:38.160
  • TODAY OFTEN IS TALKED ABOUT AS
  • 00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:40.130
  • ALMOST BEING A LITTLE
  • 00:52:40.130 --> 00:52:41.290
  • MISOGYNIST, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:52:41.290 --> 00:52:43.130
  • THEY, KIND OF, READ PAUL IN THE
  • 00:52:43.130 --> 00:52:45.130
  • BIBLE, HERE'S SOME OF THE
  • 00:52:45.130 --> 00:52:46.020
  • LETTERS THAT PAUL WROTE AND
  • 00:52:46.020 --> 00:52:46.290
  • FEEL THAT HE'S A BIT NEGATIVE
  • 00:52:46.290 --> 00:52:48.100
  • TOWARD WOMEN, AND, YET JESUS
  • 00:52:48.100 --> 00:52:50.140
  • CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF
  • 00:52:50.140 --> 00:52:51.200
  • WOMEN'S LIVES IN HIS TIME IN A
  • 00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:54.010
  • WAY THAT NOTHING ELSE DID.
  • 00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:55.090
  • JUST TAKE THIS, FOR INSTANCE.
  • 00:52:55.090 --> 00:52:56.230
  • THIS MIGHT TAKE A COUPLE
  • 00:52:56.230 --> 00:52:58.200
  • MINUTES, BUT JUST STAY WITH ME.
  • 00:52:58.200 --> 00:52:59.230
  • AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
  • 00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:02.070
  • APPARENTLY, HISTORIANS TELL US
  • 00:53:02.070 --> 00:53:04.010
  • THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY 25% MORE
  • 00:53:04.010 --> 00:53:05.290
  • NOW, WHEN YOU CAN'T PICK THE SEX
  • 00:53:09.020 --> 00:53:10.110
  • OF A CHILD, HOW CAN THERE BE SO
  • 00:53:10.110 --> 00:53:11.250
  • MANY MORE MEN THAN WOMEN?
  • 00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:13.030
  • WELL, ESSENTIALLY, THEY DID
  • 00:53:13.090 --> 00:53:16.090
  • SOMETHING CALLED "EXPOSURE."
  • 00:53:16.090 --> 00:53:17.060
  • BOYS, LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS
  • 00:53:17.060 --> 00:53:19.200
  • WEREN'T NAMED FOR ABOUT A WEEK
  • 00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:21.040
  • AFTER THEY WERE BORN, AND IN
  • 00:53:21.040 --> 00:53:22.090
  • THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IF YOU HAD
  • 00:53:22.090 --> 00:53:23.290
  • A LITTLE GIRL AND YOU DIDN'T
  • 00:53:24.080 --> 00:53:27.080
  • WANT A GIRL 'CAUSE YOU WANTED A
  • 00:53:27.080 --> 00:53:28.000
  • BOY, YOU EXPOSED THEM.
  • 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.210
  • YOU TOOK THEM OUTSIDE AND YOU
  • 00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:30.140
  • LEFT THEM.
  • 00:53:30.140 --> 00:53:31.160
  • YOU LEFT THEM ON THE STREET.
  • 00:53:31.160 --> 00:53:32.060
  • YOU LEFT THEM ON THE RUBBISH
  • 00:53:32.060 --> 00:53:33.110
  • TUB, AND THAT WAS JUST A NORMAL
  • 00:53:33.110 --> 00:53:34.290
  • PART OF LIFE, AND THAT WAS-- IT
  • 00:53:35.230 --> 00:53:38.230
  • WASN'T SEEN AS A TERRIBLE THING.
  • 00:53:38.230 --> 00:53:40.150
  • THERE'S A LETTER FROM ANTIQUITY
  • 00:53:40.150 --> 00:53:43.150
  • OF A SEEMINGLY LOVING HUSBAND
  • 00:53:43.150 --> 00:53:44.180
  • WHO'S AWAY FROM HIS WIFE,
  • 00:53:44.180 --> 00:53:47.100
  • WRITES HER A LETTER THAT THIS
  • 00:53:47.100 --> 00:53:48.210
  • LETTER IS HELD, AND IT SAYS,
  • 00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:51.020
  • "YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY I CAN'T BE
  • 00:53:51.020 --> 00:53:52.240
  • THERE FOR THE BIRTH.
  • 00:53:52.240 --> 00:53:54.110
  • I HOPE IT GOES WELL.
  • 00:53:54.110 --> 00:53:54.290
  • IF IT'S A BOY, KEEP IT.
  • 00:53:54.290 --> 00:53:56.080
  • IF IT'S A GIRL, DISCARD IT."
  • 00:53:56.080 --> 00:53:58.220
  • NOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS
  • 00:53:58.220 --> 00:54:00.110
  • JESUS COMES INTO THIS AND SAYS,
  • 00:54:00.110 --> 00:54:02.140
  • "EVERYBODY MATTERS, BOYS AND
  • 00:54:02.140 --> 00:54:05.050
  • GIRLS."
  • 00:54:05.050 --> 00:54:05.210
  • PAUL WRITES AND SAYS,
  • 00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:07.000
  • "IN CHRIST, THERE'S NO JEW NOR
  • 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.170
  • GREEK.
  • 00:54:11.020 --> 00:54:14.020
  • THERE'S NO SLAVE NOR FREE.
  • 00:54:14.020 --> 00:54:15.220
  • THERE'S NO MALE OR FEMALE."
  • 00:54:15.220 --> 00:54:16.270
  • RODNEY STARK, IN OUR SERIES,
  • 00:54:16.270 --> 00:54:17.250
  • SAYS, "IT'S A WONDER THAT EVERY
  • 00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:19.210
  • WOMAN DIDN'T BECOME CHRISTIAN
  • 00:54:19.210 --> 00:54:21.000
  • IMMEDIATELY 'CAUSE THEIR LIVES
  • 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.220
  • WERE SO MUCH BETTER BY THE
  • 00:54:22.220 --> 00:54:23.260
  • TEACHING OF JESUS."
  • 00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:25.030
  • - TOM: WOW, WOW.
  • 00:54:25.030 --> 00:54:26.250
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, TBN FAMILY, I'M
  • 00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:28.090
  • SO EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE, ON
  • 00:54:28.090 --> 00:54:29.160
  • SEPTEMBER 4, 9:30 EASTERN, WE'RE
  • 00:54:31.290 --> 00:54:34.100
  • GOING TO LAUNCH EXCLUSIVELY ON
  • 00:54:34.100 --> 00:54:36.240
  • TBN, "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER,"
  • 00:54:36.240 --> 00:54:38.220
  • AND I'M GONNA DO THIS REAL
  • 00:54:38.220 --> 00:54:39.210
  • QUICK.
  • 00:54:39.210 --> 00:54:41.020
  • I'M GONNA ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THE
  • 00:54:41.020 --> 00:54:41.240
  • LET'S ROLL THE TRAILER, "JESUS
  • 00:54:43.270 --> 00:54:46.150
  • THE GAME CHANGER."
  • 00:54:46.150 --> 00:54:47.170
  • - KARL: IN MANY COUNTRIES AND
  • 00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:09.100
  • COMMUNITIES TODAY, RELIGION IS
  • 00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:11.000
  • BELIEVED TO BE IRRELEVANT, EVEN
  • 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:12.040
  • DANGEROUS, AND SOMETHING TO BE
  • 00:55:12.040 --> 00:55:13.010
  • FEARED.
  • 00:55:13.010 --> 00:55:14.210
  • - ERIC: LIKE, I WOULDN'T EVEN
  • 00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:15.130
  • KNOW WHERE TO START.
  • 00:55:15.130 --> 00:55:17.220
  • IT CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR ME,
  • 00:55:17.220 --> 00:55:19.240
  • AND I HOPE IT'S STILL CHANGING
  • 00:55:19.240 --> 00:55:20.240
  • EVERYTHING FOR ME EVERY DAY
  • 00:55:20.240 --> 00:55:21.140
  • BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY
  • 00:55:21.140 --> 00:55:22.210
  • FINISHED.
  • 00:55:22.210 --> 00:55:24.150
  • - MIROSLAV VOLF: HE BROUGHT THE
  • 00:55:24.210 --> 00:55:27.210
  • PRACTICE OF AND THE MESSAGE OF
  • 00:55:27.210 --> 00:55:30.010
  • THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF GOD.
  • 00:55:30.100 --> 00:55:33.100
  • - KARL: THIS SERIES IS A
  • 00:55:33.100 --> 00:55:34.060
  • JOURNEY THROUGH THE
  • 00:55:34.060 --> 00:55:35.260
  • UNITED STATES, THE U.K.,
  • 00:55:35.260 --> 00:55:37.040
  • INDIA, SINGAPORE, AND AUSTRALIA,
  • 00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:39.050
  • TALKING WITH MORE THAN 30
  • 00:55:39.050 --> 00:55:41.170
  • ACADEMICS, AUTHORS, RESEARCHERS,
  • 00:55:41.170 --> 00:55:44.130
  • AND MODERN-DAY GAME CHANGERS,
  • 00:55:44.130 --> 00:55:46.260
  • ABOUT HOW THE LIFE AND TEACHING
  • 00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.030
  • OF JESUS CHANGED THE WORLD AND
  • 00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.050
  • WHY IT MATTERS.
  • 00:55:49.090 --> 00:55:52.090
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:54.200
  • - KARL: THEY WERE A RELATIVELY
  • 00:55:54.200 --> 00:55:57.010
  • SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SOUGHT
  • 00:55:57.010 --> 00:55:59.100
  • TO FOLLOW THIS JESUS OF
  • 00:55:59.100 --> 00:56:00.080
  • NAZARETH.
  • 00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:01.110
  • WHY DID THE LIFE AND TEACHING OF
  • 00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:02.030
  • JESUS BECOME SUCH A GAME
  • 00:56:02.030 --> 00:56:03.000
  • CHANGER?
  • 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.190
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:56:13.090 --> 00:56:16.090
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:56:17.240 --> 00:56:20.240
  • - KARL: WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER" COMING
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  • TO TBN.
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  • WHY DON'T YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU
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  • WATCH IT?
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  • MAKE SURE YOUR FRIENDS WATCH IT.
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  • MAKE SURE YOU FIND OUT HOW THE
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  • LIFE AND TEACHING OF JESUS
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  • CHANGED THE WORLD AND WHY IT
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  • MATTERS.
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  • - TOM: AMEN, AMEN.
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  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
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  • - TOM: HEY, GUYS, I KNOW TO
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  • FINISH THE SEASON, WE JUST
  • 00:56:37.270 --> 00:56:39.160
  • FINISHED THREE MORE.
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  • WE HAD TO GET THE LAST THREE
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  • DONE, SO THOSE ARE IN THE CAN.
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  • WE'RE GETTIN' READY TO ROLL,
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  • GUYS, AND HERE WE ARE ON TBN
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  • I LOVE SAYING THAT-- TUESDAY,
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  • SEPTEMBER 4, 9:30 EASTERN, KARL
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  • AND JANE PRESENT
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  • "JESUS THE GAME CHANGER."
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  • - KARL: AMEN.
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  • - JANE: YUP, WOO-HOO.
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  • - TOM: I'M SO EXCITED.
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  • YOU GUYS, PLEASE, CALL YOUR
  • 00:57:04.080 --> 00:57:04.290
  • FAMILY, FRIENDS, OTHERS.
  • 00:57:04.290 --> 00:57:05.200
  • LET 'EM KNOW IT'S COMIN' RIGHT
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  • HERE TO YOUR TBN, FOLKS.
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  • WE LOVE YA.
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  • WE'RE LOOKIN' FORWARD TO SEEIN'
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  • YOU NEXT TIME.
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