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February 1, 2018
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Leon Fontaine hosts A. R. Bernard.

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Praise | February 1, 2018

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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON PRAISE ...
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  • - A.R. BERNARD: INASMUCH AS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
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  • RACIAL ISSUES, POLITICAL ISSUES, THE TENSIONS,
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  • THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S AN OVERARCHING
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  • THEME THAT WE KNOW AS CHRISTIANS, AND IT'S CALLED SIN.
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  • THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THIS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK
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  • ABOUT RACE AND CLASS IS OUR IDENTIFICATION AS
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  • CHILDREN OF GOD.
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  • - ANNOUNCER: HERE ON PRAISE!
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [APPLAUSE]
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  • - LEON FONTAINE: WELL, WE WANT TO WELCOME YOU
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  • TONIGHT TO PRAISE.
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  • IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXCITING TIME.
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  • WHAT DO CHRISTIANS SAY TO THE TENSIONS THAT WE ARE
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  • WATCHING PLAY OUT IN FRONT OF US
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  • ON TELEVISION?
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  • WHAT LANGUAGE TO WE USE?
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  • YOU KNOW, WHAT SIDE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE ON?
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  • TONIGHT WE'VE GOT DOCTOR A. R. BERNARD
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  • WITH US, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING
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  • ABOUT ISSUES, POLITICAL ISSUES, RACIAL ISSUES,
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  • RELIGIOUS ISSUES.
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  • I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE COMING
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  • TOGETHER AND CREATING ALMOST THIS MESS THAT
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  • CHRISTIANS ARE GOING I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
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  • UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORDS TO USE.
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  • WHAT SHOULD I -SHOULD I PICK A SIDE?
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  • IF YOU WANT SOME WISDOM BROUGHT TO THE TIMES
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  • WE'RE LIVING IN TODAY, YOU STAY TUNED, AND WE
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  • ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE INCREDIBLE DIALOGUE.
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  • I WANT YOU TO WATCH THIS AS WE INTRODUCE
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  • DOCTOR A. R. BERNARD TO YOU.
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  • - FEMALE ANNOUNCER: A. R. BERNARD
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  • IS A VISIONARY AND ONE OF THE MOST
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  • INFLUENTIAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN THE WORLD TODAY.
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  • HIS TRANSFORMATIVE TEACHINGS HAVE CATAPULTED
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  • HIS CHURCH, THE CHRISTIAN CULTURAL CENTER, TO
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  • BECOME NEW YORK'S LARGEST HOUSE OF WORSHIP, AND ONE
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  • OF THE FASTEST GROWING CHURCHES IN AMERICA.
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  • - A. R. BERNARD: WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP IS IN
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  • CRISIS, WE TEND TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHO
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  • STARTED IT TO BLAME THEM.
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  • BUT GOD BOLDLY DECLARES HE BEGAN IT, AND WHAT IS
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  • HE SAYING?
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  • HE STARTED IT.
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  • HE'S GOING TO FINISH IT.
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  • - A. R. BERNARD BUILT A TEN YEAR CAREER IN FINANCE.
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  • IN 1978, HE AND HIS WIFE KAREN OPENED A SMALL
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  • STORE FRONT CHURCH IN BROOKLYN.
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  • FROM THERE, THE CHURCH OUTGREW ONE FACILITY
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  • AFTER ANOTHER.
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  • KAREN LEFT HER CAREER TO RAISE 7 SONS AND
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  • CO-PASTOR WITH HER HUSBAND.
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  • THEIR GREATEST SUCCESS IS 46 YEARS OF MARRIAGE AND
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  • 40 YEARS OF MINISTRY.
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  • TODAY THEIR CHURCH IS SITUATED ON 11 AND A HALF
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  • ACRES IN BROOKLYN.
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  • THEY ALSO RUN A SATELLITE LOCATION ON LONG ISLAND.
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  • AS THE SPIRITUAL HEALTH OF THE NATION IS
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  • INCREASINGLY CHALLENGED AND COMPROMISED,
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  • A. R. BERNARD REMAINS A PILLAR OF GODLY INFLUENCE AND A
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  • SHINING BEACON OF HOPE.
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  • A. R. BERNARD TONIGHT ON PRAISE.
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  • [ APPLAUSE]
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  • - A. R., IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH ME TODAY.
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  • - MY PLEASURE.
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  • - I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS INTERVIEW.
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  • WE HAVE WORKING ON THIS FOR MONTHS GETTING OUR
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  • SCHEDULES TO COME TOGETHER, AND HERE WE ARE
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  • SHOOTING TODAY IN DALLAS.
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  • BUT WELCOME, AND WHAT I SAID EARLIER YOU AND I
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  • HAVE JUST -I WISH THE CAMERAS WERE RUNNING FOR
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  • THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD IN MAKEUP AND IN THE
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  • GREEN ROOM JUST TRYING TO PREPARE OUR THOUGHTS
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  • FOR TODAY.
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  • WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT AMERICA AND THE POINTS I
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  • JUST MADE, MOST OF THE PASTORS, MOST CHRISTIANS
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  • I TALKED TO DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR THEIR
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  • SIN IS THEY JUST SAY I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO
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  • SAY ANY MORE ABOUT THIS.
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  • GIVE ME AN OPENING STATEMENT.
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  • WHAT'S HAPPENING TO AMERICA?
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  • - GOSH, WE ARE IN AN IDENTITY CRISIS AS A NATION.
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  • WE ARE IN AN IDENTITY CRISIS AS THE CHURCH.
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  • ALVIN TOFFLER IN 1974 HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED
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  • FUTURE SHOCK FROM WHICH THE TERM WAS COINED, AND
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  • HE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN A SOCIETY WHEN
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  • THERE IS A RADICAL SHIFT FROM TRADITIONAL VALUES
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  • AND STRUCTURES THAT HELD UP THE SOCIETY AND
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  • CONSTRUCTED THE SOCIETY, AND WHEN THOSE THINGS
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  • CHANGE VERY QUICKLY, IT RESULTS IN
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  • DISORIENTATION, ROOTLESSNESS, URBANIZATION, AND
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  • WE'RE SEEING ALL OF THAT HAPPEN RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES.
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  • THE PROPHETIC IS PREDICTIVE TO THE FUTURE
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  • BUT ANALYTICAL TO THE PRESENT.
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  • SO THE PROPHETS OF OLD MOST OF WHAT THEY HAD TO
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  • SAY WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL,
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  • MORAL, ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL CONDITIONS OF
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  • THE NATIONS WHETHER IT BE THE NATION OF ISRAEL,
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  • JUDAH AT THE TIME WAS DIVIDED AFTER JERABOAM,
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  • OR WHETHER IT WAS THE SURROUNDING NATIONS.
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  • AND WHEN THE PEOPLE DIDN'T RESPOND TO THAT
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  • PROPHETIC ANALYSIS, THEN IT BECAME PREDICTIVE.
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  • MOST OF WHAT JESUS HAD TO SAY IN THE EARLY PART OF
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  • HIS MINISTRY WAS RELATED TO THE PRESENT TIME AND
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  • THAT MESSAGE OF THE KINGDOM.
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  • HE BECOME PREDICTIVE CONCERNING THE FUTURE
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  • WHEN THAT MESSAGE, THAT ANALYSIS WAS REJECTED, SO
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  • HERE WE ARE IN A CRISIS.
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  • - YEAH. WE REALLY ARE.
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  • YOU KNOW, FOR EVERY MILE OF TRUTH, THERE'S LIKE
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  • TWO MILES OF DITCH.
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  • AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHRISTIAN WORLD IS FAMOUS
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  • FOR SLIDING INTO THE DITCH ON ONE SIDE OR THE
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  • OTHER SIDE, SO WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE WE
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  • NEED TO BE MORE CONTEMPORARY, MORE RELEVANT.
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  • WE NEED TO BE MORE UNDERSTANDING, MORE
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  • LOVING, AND SO IT CAN GET SO FAR THAT WAY WE CAN'T
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  • TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
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  • AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE OTHER SIDE WHO RAMP IT UP
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  • LEGALISTICALLY ALMOST WITH MORE LAW AND MORE
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  • POWER AND MORE CONFRONTATION AND
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  • MORE JUDGMENT.
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  • AND NEITHER -IT'S LIKE THE ONLY GROUP I NOTICE
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  • IS LIKE FAIR GAME ARE CHRISTIANS.
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  • YOU DON'T DARE CALL ANYBODY ELSE DOWN, BUT
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  • YOU CAN CALL THE CHRISTIANS ANYWHERE YOU WANT.
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  • WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
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  • - WELL, SOCIETY NEEDS A SCAPEGOAT.
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  • THEY NEED SOMEONE TO POINT TO.
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  • THAT'S HOW IT HAS HAPPENED THROUGH HISTORY.
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  • YOU KNOW, IT'S A WONDERFUL PASSAGE IN THE
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  • NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION 1984 EDITION IN
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  • ECCLESIASTES 7: 18, AND IT SAYS THAT A MAN OF
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  • UNDERSTANDING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AVOIDS
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  • ALL EXTREMES.
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  • SO WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A BALANCE WITH
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  • ALL OF THESE THINGS.
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  • INASMUCH AS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RACIAL
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  • ISSUES, POLITICAL ISSUES, THE TENSIONS, THE REALITY
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  • IS THERE'S AN OVERARCHING THEME THAT WE KNOW AS
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  • CHRISTIANS, AND IT'S CALLED SIN.
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  • SIN HAS PLACED US IN A CONDITION IN WHICH WE ARE
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  • WOUNDED AND WE ARE BROKEN AS HUMAN BEINGS.
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  • IT HAS DISORDERED WHAT GOD ORIGINALLY
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  • CONSTRUCTED TO BE ORDER, TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE
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  • OF THE HUMAN INTELLECT AND THE COMMUNICABLE
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  • ATTRIBUTES OF GOD THAT POURED INTO ADAM WHEN HE
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  • WAS FIRST CREATED BEFORE THE FALL, BUT SIN
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  • HAS COME IN.
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  • SO THAT WOUNDEDNESS AND THAT BROKENNESS MANIFESTS
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  • ITSELF IN IGNORANCE, IN MORAL WEAKNESS, IN
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  • SELFISHNESS, AND IT MANIFESTS
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  • IN BLINDNESS, AND MUCH OF THAT BLINDNESS IS ASSOCIATED
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  • WITH HABITS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER TIME
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  • CULTURALLY, AND ALSO THE CULTURAL INFLUENCES THAT
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  • SHAPE AND REINFORCE THAT BLINDNESS.
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  • - THE WORD RACISM, IT IS USED SO MANY TIMES TODAY
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  • THAT I'M WONDERING WE BETTER AGREE ON
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  • A DEFINITION.
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  • WHAT WOULD YOUR DEFINITION OF RACISM -OR
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  • WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM?
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  • - WELL, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO AGREE ON ONE
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  • BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
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  • - THEY ARE.
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  • - AND YOU KNOW, RACISM IS MORE THAN AN ATTITUDE.
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  • IT'S A BELIEF.
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  • AND A BELIEF CREATES A SYSTEM OF THOUGHT.
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  • IT CREATES A LENS THROUGH WHICH YOU LOOK AT THINGS
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  • AND PEOPLE AND THE WORLD AND MAKE SENSE OF IT, SEE?
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  • SO RACISM IS A BELIEF THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE OR
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  • GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE INNATELY, INDELIBLY, AND
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  • UNCHANGEABLY INFERIOR TO OTHERS.
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  • AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
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  • INNATELY, SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF WHO THEY
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  • ARE, INDELIBLY, IT'S MARKED, THEY CAN'T CHANGE
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  • THAT, IT'S UNCHANGEABLE.
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  • YOU SEE, SO WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT ABOUT A
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  • GROUP OF PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE ENGAGED
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  • IN RACISM.
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  • NOW, THAT CAN ACTUALLY MANIFEST IN SOCIAL
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  • STRUCTURES, GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS, LEGISLATION,
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  • POLICY, HOW WE TREAT EACH OTHER.
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  • YOU KNOW, IT JUST WORKS RIGHT INTO THE CULTURE,
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  • AND YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THIS, BUT THERE ARE
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  • RACISTS WHO DON'T KNOW THEY'RE RACISTS.
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  • - TOTALLY.
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  • - BECAUSE THEY'LL GIVE TO A CAUSE FOR PEOPLE OF
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  • COLOR LET'S SAY BECAUSE USUALLY THAT WHOLE
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  • CONVERSATION OF RACISM HAS TO DO WITH BLACK AND
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  • WHITE RELATIONSHIP, SO THEY'LL GIVE TO A CAUSE
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  • TO HELP PEOPLE OF COLOR, THE MARGINAL,
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  • THE DISENFRANCHISED.
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  • THEY'LL ADMIRE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO EMERGES
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  • FROM THAT CONTEXT OF COLOR AND CAN BECOME THE
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  • UNITED STATES, BUT THAT LENS TELLS THEM THAT
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  • THAT'S NOT THE RULE.
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  • THAT'S THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
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  • THE RULE IS THAT THEY'RE INFERIOR.
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  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHRISTIAN, THE CHRISTIAN
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  • TODAY IN AMERICA, THERE'S A GROUP OF THEM WHO SAY
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  • THINGS LIKE THIS, THEY USE BIBLICAL TERMINOLOGY
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  • AND SAY YOU'VE GIVEN YOUR LIFE TO JESUS CHRIST,
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  • YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, GET OVER IT.
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  • YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN FIRST, AND THEY SIMPLIFY
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  • IT SO FAR DOWN THAT YOU GO -- WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
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  • - YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A TENSION BETWEEN THE IDEAL
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  • AND THE REALITY.
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  • - RIGHT.
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  • - AND THAT TENSION CAN BECOME VERY VERY
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  • INTENSE SOMETIMES.
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  • IDEALLY, YES, WE ARE TO TAKE HOLD OF OUR
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  • CHRISTIAN IDENTITY FIRST AND FOREMOST, BUT IF WE
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  • LIVE IN A REALITY THAT FORCES US TO LIVE IN AN
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  • AWARENESS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUDGING US BY THE COLOR
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  • OF OUR SKIN BEFORE OUR CHRISTIAN IDENTITY, THEN
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  • IT FORCES US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN
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  • THAT CONTEXT.
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  • SO NO MATTER WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, THE
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  • REALITY FORCES US TO ADJUST AND ALTER WHAT
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  • WE'D LIKE TO DO.
  • 00:10:15.110 --> 00:10:17.040
  • AS A PERSON OF COLOR DEALING WITH LAW
  • 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:19.270
  • ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN NEW YORK, I UNDERSTAND
  • 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:23.100
  • THAT I LIVE WITH A PRESUMPTION OF GUILT AS
  • 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:28.210
  • OPPOSED TO A WHITE PERSON WHO LIVES AND WALKS THE
  • 00:10:28.230 --> 00:10:32.150
  • STREETS WITH A PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE
  • 00:10:32.170 --> 00:10:34.110
  • IN RELATIONSHIP TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
  • 00:10:34.130 --> 00:10:36.090
  • THAT'S THE REALITY THAT I LIVE IN.
  • 00:10:36.110 --> 00:10:38.050
  • ULTIMATELY THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THIS, ESPECIALLY
  • 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:42.220
  • WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACE AND CLASS, IS OUR
  • 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.250
  • IDENTIFICATION AS CHILDREN OF GOD.
  • 00:10:44.270 --> 00:10:47.240
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:10:47.260 --> 00:10:49.050
  • BUT NOW HAVING SAID THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE
  • 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:50.290
  • REASONS THAT WE'RE TALKING IS BECAUSE I KNOW
  • 00:10:51.010 --> 00:10:53.130
  • HOW MUCH YOU LOVE GOD.
  • 00:10:53.150 --> 00:10:54.230
  • YOU LOVE HIS CHURCH.
  • 00:10:54.250 --> 00:10:56.050
  • I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU ADD HERE TO THE WISDOM OF GOD.
  • 00:10:56.070 --> 00:10:57.210
  • SO WE CAN SAY THAT THE IDEAL, BUT YET YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:10:57.230 --> 00:11:04.100
  • 7 SONS, SO YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP THEM ALIVE AND
  • 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.020
  • YOU'VE GOT TO TEACH THEM WHO THEY ARE IN CHRIST AS
  • 00:11:07.040 --> 00:11:10.090
  • THEIR IDENTITY.
  • 00:11:10.110 --> 00:11:11.220
  • NOW, THAT'S HOW THEY SEE THEMSELVES.
  • 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.050
  • THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT NOW HOW DO OTHERS SEE THEM.
  • 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:18.010
  • SO I'M ECHOING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:11:18.030 --> 00:11:22.030
  • WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU THINK ARE
  • 00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:24.090
  • IMPORTANT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TAUGHT YOUR SONS?
  • 00:11:24.110 --> 00:11:26.130
  • - I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THE FACT
  • 00:11:26.150 --> 00:11:31.040
  • THAT, AND I LOVE THE PASSAGE IN SAMUEL, IT
  • 00:11:31.060 --> 00:11:33.020
  • SAYS THAT MAN JUDGES BY THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE
  • 00:11:33.040 --> 00:11:34.290
  • BUT GOD KNOWS THE HEART.
  • 00:11:35.010 --> 00:11:36.150
  • AND IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS IT IS STATED,
  • 00:11:36.170 --> 00:11:40.000
  • ONLY GOD CAN LOOK INTO THE CHARACTER
  • 00:11:40.020 --> 00:11:42.030
  • OF INDIVIDUALS.
  • 00:11:42.050 --> 00:11:43.110
  • WE HAVE TO JUDGE BY A PERSON ACTIONS OVER A
  • 00:11:43.130 --> 00:11:44.260
  • PERIOD OF TIME, THEIR WORDS, THEIR THOUGHTS,
  • 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:47.180
  • THEIR MOTIVES, THEIR ATTITUDES, RIGHT.
  • 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.080
  • BUT THE FIRST LOOK THAT PEOPLE HAVE IS THE
  • 00:11:49.100 --> 00:11:52.170
  • EXTERNAL APPEARANCE.
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:53.270
  • AND WE JUDGE BY THAT.
  • 00:11:53.290 --> 00:11:55.210
  • AND THAT'S REALITY, YOU SEE.
  • 00:11:55.230 --> 00:11:57.170
  • SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE JUDGED BY THE COLOR OF
  • 00:11:57.190 --> 00:12:00.080
  • YOUR SKIN BEFORE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET TO
  • 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:03.030
  • YOUR CHARACTER.
  • 00:12:03.050 --> 00:12:04.180
  • YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING CHARACTER THAT
  • 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.160
  • ELEVATES THEIR PERCEPTION OF YOU, THEIR PERSPECTIVE
  • 00:12:07.180 --> 00:12:10.090
  • OF YOU, BUT IN THIS CONTEXT ESPECIALLY IN
  • 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:14.000
  • AMERICAN SOCIETY THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN AN
  • 00:12:14.020 --> 00:12:16.210
  • AWARENESS OF.
  • 00:12:16.230 --> 00:12:18.010
  • NOW, MY FAMILY IS VERY DIVERSE BECAUSE I HAVE
  • 00:12:18.030 --> 00:12:22.110
  • WHITE DAUGHTER-IN-LAWS, I HAVE HISPANIC
  • 00:12:22.130 --> 00:12:24.230
  • DAUGHTER-IN-LAWS, I HAVE CARIBBEAN
  • 00:12:24.250 --> 00:12:26.100
  • DAUGHTER-IN-LAWS BECAUSE I HAVE 7 SONS.
  • 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:27.220
  • - THAT'S AWESOME.
  • 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:29.140
  • - SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FAMILY, AND I'VE GOT
  • 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:30.240
  • 22 GRANDCHILDREN, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FAMILY IT
  • 00:12:30.260 --> 00:12:34.020
  • LOOKS LIKE THE UNITED NATIONS.
  • 00:12:34.040 --> 00:12:37.010
  • MY FATHER WAS A WHITE SPANIARD, ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:12:37.030 --> 00:12:41.170
  • MY MOTHER IS A DESCENDANT OF AFRICAN SLAVES THAT
  • 00:12:41.190 --> 00:12:45.200
  • WERE BROUGHT TO THE CARIBBEAN BECAUSE I WAS
  • 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:48.010
  • BORN IN PANAMA IN ANTIGUA WHO WENT TO PANAMA TO
  • 00:12:48.030 --> 00:12:52.200
  • WORK IN THE CANAL ZONE SO GET A JOB.
  • 00:12:52.220 --> 00:12:54.230
  • HER FATHER WAS A FRENCHMAN FROM MARSEILLES
  • 00:12:54.250 --> 00:12:57.020
  • SO I AM BORN IN PANAMA, GREW UP MOSTLY IN THE
  • 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:01.100
  • UNITED STATES.
  • 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:02.230
  • SO I'M AFRI-LATINO.
  • 00:13:02.250 --> 00:13:04.180
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.080
  • - GOT IT.
  • 00:13:06.100 --> 00:13:07.170
  • AND MY IDENTIFICATION IN TERMS OF MY CONTEXT OF
  • 00:13:07.190 --> 00:13:08.250
  • COLOR HAS TO DO WITH THE WEST AFRICAN DIASPORA
  • 00:13:08.270 --> 00:13:12.030
  • FROM WEST AFRICA INTO NORTH CENTRAL
  • 00:13:12.050 --> 00:13:16.080
  • AND SOUTH AMERICA.
  • 00:13:16.100 --> 00:13:17.230
  • THAT'S A REALITY THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
  • 00:13:17.250 --> 00:13:20.210
  • WE HAVE BLUE EYED, BLONDE HAIRED PANAMANIANS, WE
  • 00:13:20.230 --> 00:13:23.000
  • HAVE DARK SKINNED, AND I CAN SAY IT, PINKY-HEAD,
  • 00:13:23.020 --> 00:13:29.030
  • NAPPY-HAIRED PANAMANIANS.
  • 00:13:29.050 --> 00:13:31.030
  • WE HAVE THE WHOLE GAMUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A
  • 00:13:31.050 --> 00:13:35.290
  • REALITY THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS, THAT WE HAVE
  • 00:13:36.010 --> 00:13:38.160
  • TO DEAL WITH.
  • 00:13:38.180 --> 00:13:39.220
  • AND I WILL TELL YOU WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICAN
  • 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.050
  • SOCIETY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AMERICAN
  • 00:13:41.070 --> 00:13:45.150
  • HISTORICAL NARRATIVE THROUGH THE LENS OF CLASS
  • 00:13:45.170 --> 00:13:48.210
  • FIRST TO UNDERSTAND THE USE OF RACISM AS A TOOL
  • 00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:53.180
  • TO MANIPULATE AND MAINTAIN CLASS STATUS.
  • 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.210
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:13:56.230 --> 00:13:57.230
  • DEFINE CLASS STATUS.
  • 00:13:57.250 --> 00:13:59.270
  • - CLASS HAS TO DO WITH LEVEL OF WEALTH,
  • 00:13:59.290 --> 00:14:02.160
  • EDUCATION, POWER, AND INFLUENCE.
  • 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:06.030
  • - SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING SKIN COLOR HERE.
  • 00:14:06.050 --> 00:14:07.100
  • YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE BORN.
  • 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.000
  • YOU'RE TALKING MONEY, POWER.
  • 00:14:09.020 --> 00:14:11.030
  • - EXACTLY.
  • 00:14:11.050 --> 00:14:12.170
  • AND FOR AMERICA, THAT HAS PRIMARILY AND
  • 00:14:12.190 --> 00:14:14.260
  • PREDOMINANTLY BEEN WHITE CULTURE.
  • 00:14:14.280 --> 00:14:17.160
  • BECAUSE AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON WHITE,
  • 00:14:17.180 --> 00:14:20.290
  • ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS, AND THERE WAS A TIME THEY
  • 00:14:21.010 --> 00:14:25.010
  • DIDN'T WANT THE JEWS TO COME IN.
  • 00:14:25.030 --> 00:14:26.210
  • THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ITALIANS TO COME IN, THE
  • 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:28.130
  • IRISH TO COME IN.
  • 00:14:28.150 --> 00:14:30.080
  • YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALITY, BUT ALL THAT
  • 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:32.280
  • CONTINUED TO CHANGE AS THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT
  • 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.220
  • CONTINUED TO GROW AND DEVELOP OVER TIME.
  • 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.010
  • AMERICA STARTED AS A PENAL COLONY.
  • 00:14:38.030 --> 00:14:40.110
  • IT WASN'T THIS WONDERFUL PLACE THAT YOU GO AND SAY
  • 00:14:40.130 --> 00:14:42.230
  • HEY, I'D LIKE TO VACATION THERE.
  • 00:14:42.250 --> 00:14:44.100
  • CHECK THAT OFF MY BUCKET LIST.
  • 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:45.170
  • IT WAS A PENAL COLONY, SO PRISONERS WERE
  • 00:14:45.190 --> 00:14:47.280
  • BROUGHT HERE.
  • 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.040
  • YOU HAD A MIXTURE OF ADULT PRISONERS.
  • 00:14:49.060 --> 00:14:51.290
  • YOU HAD INDENTURED SERVANTS WHO COULDN'T PAY
  • 00:14:52.010 --> 00:14:56.030
  • OFF THEIR DEBTS WHO WERE BROUGHT FROM EUROPE HERE,
  • 00:14:56.050 --> 00:15:00.160
  • AND YOU HAD CHILDREN, SEE.
  • 00:15:00.180 --> 00:15:02.070
  • AND THAT WAS THE EXPLOITED LABOR FORCE
  • 00:15:02.090 --> 00:15:04.020
  • THAT BECAME FOUNDATIONAL TO AMERICAN SOCIETY.
  • 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:06.030
  • AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE CRAFTING THE AMERICAN
  • 00:15:06.050 --> 00:15:08.160
  • EXPERIMENT, THEY SAID WE HAVE TO REWRITE THIS.
  • 00:15:08.180 --> 00:15:11.170
  • WE HAVE TO CHANGE THIS NARRATIVE, YOU SEE.
  • 00:15:11.190 --> 00:15:13.190
  • SO THEY BEGAN TO CREATE AN AMERICA AS AN AMERICAN
  • 00:15:13.210 --> 00:15:17.210
  • EXPERIMENT WHERE THERE IS WEALTH, THERE'S
  • 00:15:17.230 --> 00:15:20.200
  • PROSPERITY, THERE'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD
  • 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:22.250
  • TO, AND THAT BEGAN TO MOVE PEOPLE IN THIS
  • 00:15:22.270 --> 00:15:26.090
  • DIRECTION ALONG WITH RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS.
  • 00:15:26.110 --> 00:15:28.160
  • - RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:29.280
  • - THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ESCAPE RELIGIOUS
  • 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.110
  • OPPRESSION FROM EUROPE.
  • 00:15:31.130 --> 00:15:33.120
  • SO IT HAD AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME,
  • 00:15:33.140 --> 00:15:35.200
  • AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN KIND OF A CRISIS THAT
  • 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:38.080
  • WE'RE IN BECAUSE HISTORY IS NEVER WRITTEN BY THE
  • 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:41.020
  • OPPRESSED -BY THE VICTIMS.
  • 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:43.000
  • IT'S WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS, YOU SEE.
  • 00:15:43.020 --> 00:15:44.110
  • - VICTORS.
  • 00:15:44.130 --> 00:15:45.210
  • ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S A CONSPIRACY REALLY
  • 00:15:45.230 --> 00:15:47.250
  • AT WORK HERE?
  • 00:15:47.270 --> 00:15:49.020
  • IS IT AN ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY OR JUST A
  • 00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:50.130
  • CULTURAL THING THAT'S DEVELOPED?
  • 00:15:50.150 --> 00:15:51.280
  • - YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONSPIRE.
  • 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:53.040
  • IT'S BLATANT.
  • 00:15:53.060 --> 00:15:54.110
  • - OKAY.
  • 00:15:54.130 --> 00:15:55.080
  • - IT IS WHAT IT IS.
  • 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:56.170
  • YOU LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY AND YOU LOOK AT
  • 00:15:56.190 --> 00:15:59.080
  • ITS SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME, ITS POLITICAL
  • 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:02.220
  • DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS
  • 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.290
  • INHERENT IN THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT, THE
  • 00:16:05.010 --> 00:16:06.220
  • AMERICAN EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE DEEPLY AND
  • 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.180
  • PROFOUNDLY THAT AMERICA WAS ESTABLISHED BY GOD.
  • 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.220
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.010
  • - I BELIEVE THAT.
  • 00:16:16.030 --> 00:16:17.230
  • WE CAN ARGUE WHETHER THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE
  • 00:16:17.250 --> 00:16:19.030
  • THEISTS OR DEISTS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THEIR
  • 00:16:19.050 --> 00:16:20.130
  • BELIEF IN GOD, BUT CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLE AND
  • 00:16:20.150 --> 00:16:22.170
  • CHRISTIAN BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE SO LACED THROUGHOUT
  • 00:16:22.190 --> 00:16:27.230
  • THE AMERICAN HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:16:27.250 --> 00:16:29.290
  • - YOU AND I WERE TALKING IN THE GREEN ROOM ABOUT
  • 00:16:30.010 --> 00:16:32.280
  • IS AMERICA CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
  • 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.260
  • I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION.
  • 00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:36.270
  • AND YOU SAID, WELL, DEFINE --
  • 00:16:36.290 --> 00:16:39.030
  • - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:41.240
  • - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
  • 00:16:41.260 --> 00:16:43.070
  • AND I SAID WELL, CAN THE CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA
  • 00:16:43.090 --> 00:16:46.150
  • KEEP OUT THE INFLUENCES OF OTHER RELIGIONS,
  • 00:16:46.170 --> 00:16:51.170
  • OTHER WAYS OF THINKING, AND MAKE IT SO THAT
  • 00:16:51.190 --> 00:16:55.110
  • AMERICA IS FOR CHRISTIANS?
  • 00:16:55.130 --> 00:16:57.100
  • IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
  • 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.090
  • - I THINK NOT [ LAUGHTER ] UNLESS WE ESTABLISH A THEOCRACY.
  • 00:16:59.110 --> 00:17:02.280
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.180
  • - AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.
  • 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.000
  • IT IS A DEMOCRACY.
  • 00:17:06.020 --> 00:17:07.160
  • IT'S A PLURALISTIC SOCIETY, AND THE ORIGINAL
  • 00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:10.230
  • INTENT IN THE MIND OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS WHO WERE
  • 00:17:10.250 --> 00:17:14.090
  • BRILLIANT BECAUSE THEY CONSTRUCTED A
  • 00:17:14.110 --> 00:17:16.290
  • CONSTITUTION AND A DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
  • 00:17:17.010 --> 00:17:19.190
  • AND AMENDMENT SYSTEM ANTICIPATING THE EVENTUAL
  • 00:17:19.210 --> 00:17:23.110
  • CHANGES THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE IN THIS SOCIETY.
  • 00:17:23.130 --> 00:17:26.180
  • SO THEY REALLY HAD INCREDIBLE FORESIGHT INTO
  • 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:31.000
  • THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NATION.
  • 00:17:31.020 --> 00:17:34.200
  • IT WAS JOHN HANCOCK WHO SAID YOU CANNOT BUILD A
  • 00:17:34.220 --> 00:17:41.010
  • NATION ON THE IDEALS OF MEN, YOU CAN ONLY BUILD
  • 00:17:41.030 --> 00:17:43.070
  • IT ON THE NATURE OF MEN.
  • 00:17:43.090 --> 00:17:46.160
  • AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA HAS DONE.
  • 00:17:46.180 --> 00:17:49.010
  • WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT HUMAN NATURE AND WE HAVE
  • 00:17:49.030 --> 00:17:52.150
  • A SET OF IDEAL THAT WE ASPIRE TO AND A SYSTEM TO
  • 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:55.130
  • HOLD A NATION ACCOUNTABLE TO THOSE IDEALS, AND
  • 00:17:55.150 --> 00:17:59.070
  • THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE COULD HAVE HAD A CIVIL
  • 00:17:59.090 --> 00:18:00.250
  • RIGHTS MOVEMENT, IT'S THE ONLY WAY I COULD BE
  • 00:18:00.270 --> 00:18:02.030
  • SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU LIKE THIS TODAY, YOU
  • 00:18:02.050 --> 00:18:03.220
  • KNOW, AS PART OF THE AMERICAN NARRATIVE, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.050
  • BUT IT TOOK THAT FIGHT, THAT PUSH BACK TO HOLD
  • 00:18:07.070 --> 00:18:10.050
  • THE NATION ACCOUNTABLE TO ITS IDEALS.
  • 00:18:10.070 --> 00:18:13.010
  • - SO ARE WE GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THIS?
  • 00:18:13.030 --> 00:18:14.280
  • - GOD PRESENT, ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.190
  • [ LAUGHTER ] I TRUST IN GOD, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:18:18.210 --> 00:18:20.240
  • - AMEN.
  • 00:18:20.260 --> 00:18:22.160
  • - DEEPLY AND PROFOUNDLY.
  • 00:18:22.180 --> 00:18:24.010
  • YOU KNOW, LOOK, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE TO
  • 00:18:24.030 --> 00:18:27.130
  • ABANDON YOURSELF TO PROVIDENCE, THAT DIVINE HAND
  • 00:18:27.150 --> 00:18:30.000
  • THAT IS AT WORK GUIDING HUMAN HISTORY AND BELIEVE
  • 00:18:30.020 --> 00:18:33.100
  • THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT'S IN CONTROL NO MATTER WHAT.
  • 00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:36.170
  • - YOU MADE AN INTERESTING STATEMENT
  • 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:38.050
  • WHEN WE WERE CHATTING OFF CAMERA THAT EVEN THE
  • 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:42.070
  • ROMAN EMPIRE WOULD HAVE FINISHED EARLIER IF IT
  • 00:18:42.090 --> 00:18:44.050
  • WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FOR CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:18:44.070 --> 00:18:46.160
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:18:46.180 --> 00:18:47.250
  • - TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT THOUGHT.
  • 00:18:47.270 --> 00:18:48.270
  • SO CIVILIZATIONS DON'T LAST.
  • 00:18:48.290 --> 00:18:52.040
  • - [ LAUGHTER ] CIVILIZATIONS GO THROUGH
  • 00:18:52.060 --> 00:18:54.160
  • A PROCESS.
  • 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:55.260
  • I MEAN, BIBLICALLY SPEAKING WHEN WE LOOK AT
  • 00:18:55.280 --> 00:18:57.160
  • DANIEL AND HOW HIS PROPHECY MOVED THROUGH
  • 00:18:57.180 --> 00:19:00.030
  • BABYLON, THE MEDES, THE PERSIANS, THE
  • 00:19:00.050 --> 00:19:03.090
  • MACEDONIANS, WE UNDERSTAND AS THE GREEKS,
  • 00:19:03.110 --> 00:19:05.090
  • AND INTO THE ROMAN EMPIRE,
  • 00:19:05.110 --> 00:19:07.130
  • BUT WHEN THE ROMAN EMPIRE BEGAN TO UNRAVEL BECAUSE OF
  • 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:11.270
  • INTERNAL DECAY, SOME OF THE VERY THINGS THAT
  • 00:19:11.290 --> 00:19:14.280
  • WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE, YOU KNOW.
  • 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.220
  • IT WAS A VERY PORNOGRAPHIC SOCIETY,
  • 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.110
  • AND I DON'T JUST MEAN PICTURES OF NAKED PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:19.130 --> 00:19:22.090
  • PORNOGRAPHIC IN TERMS OF THE SPIRIT THAT WAS
  • 00:19:22.110 --> 00:19:24.100
  • PRESENT IN THAT SOCIETY.
  • 00:19:24.120 --> 00:19:26.180
  • CHRISTIANITY STARTED IN A CONTEXT THAT IT WAS MORE,
  • 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:31.040
  • THAT WAS MORE SEVERE THAN WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING
  • 00:19:31.060 --> 00:19:33.260
  • HERE IN AMERICA IN TERMS OF THE DOMINANT CULTURE BEING
  • 00:19:33.280 --> 00:19:40.000
  • ANTITHETIC OR IN OPPOSITION TO CHRISTIAN VALUES,
  • 00:19:40.020 --> 00:19:44.000
  • BUT IT IS IN THAT CONTEXT THAT THE CHURCH FLOURISHED
  • 00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:47.030
  • AND GAINED THE RESPECT AND EVENTUALLY BECAME
  • 00:19:47.050 --> 00:19:50.000
  • THE RELIGION OF THE EMPIRE.
  • 00:19:50.020 --> 00:19:51.280
  • SO AS ROME CONTINUED TO UNRAVEL,
  • 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.210
  • WHAT REALLY KEPT THINGS INTACT WHEN THE BARBARIANS,
  • 00:19:54.230 --> 00:19:57.200
  • THE GALD, THE VISIGOTHS, THE FRANKS, ALL OF THOSE INVADED
  • 00:19:57.220 --> 00:20:02.070
  • THE EMPIRE BECAUSE IT COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH HEAVY
  • 00:20:02.090 --> 00:20:05.290
  • TAXATION, TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE MILITARY ON OUTPOSTS
  • 00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:10.060
  • THAT EXISTED AS FAR AS SCOTLAND ALL THE WAY
  • 00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:12.140
  • DOWN INTO NORTH AFRICA, THEY JUST COULDN'T KEEP UP
  • 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.120
  • WITH IT. BUT THESE NEW TRIBES THAT CAME IN
  • 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:19.030
  • EMBRACED CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:21.020
  • AND THAT CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE IDENTITY OF
  • 00:20:21.040 --> 00:20:25.170
  • EUROPE, AND CHRISTIANITY WAS-- I MEAN THOSE OF YOU
  • 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:28.170
  • THAT TAKE WESTERN CIVILIZATION ONE AND TWO
  • 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:31.030
  • IN COLLEGE, YOU KNOW THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS
  • 00:20:31.050 --> 00:20:34.020
  • RESPONSIBLE FOR WESTWARD EXPANSION INTO EUROPE AND
  • 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:37.260
  • THEN INTO THE AMERICAS, SO CHRISTIANITY
  • 00:20:37.280 --> 00:20:39.130
  • REALLY HELD IT TOGETHER.
  • 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:41.200
  • - SO THEN TODAY AS WE LOOK AT THIS,
  • 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:44.050
  • THAT'S THE HISTORY OF IT. IS THE CHURCH DOING THAT?
  • 00:20:44.070 --> 00:20:48.080
  • ARE WE HOLDING THINGS TOGETHER?
  • 00:20:48.100 --> 00:20:50.050
  • MOST OF THE CHRISTIANS I TALK TO DON'T EVEN
  • 00:20:50.070 --> 00:20:52.200
  • KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
  • 00:20:52.220 --> 00:20:54.090
  • THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS WHICH IS
  • 00:20:54.110 --> 00:20:57.010
  • WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
  • 00:20:57.030 --> 00:20:58.230
  • WHAT'S THE CHURCH'S RESPONSE TO THIS?
  • 00:20:58.250 --> 00:21:00.260
  • - IT BEGINS WITH A CONVERSATION.
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:03.060
  • JEREMIAH THE PROPHET IN THE LIVING BIBLE,
  • 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:05.290
  • JEREMIAH 6:14 SAID "YOU CANNOT HEAL A WOUND BY
  • 00:21:06.010 --> 00:21:10.000
  • SAYING IT'S NOT THERE."
  • 00:21:10.020 --> 00:21:12.170
  • SO FOR TOO LONG IN AMERICAN SOCIETY,
  • 00:21:12.190 --> 00:21:14.150
  • WE HAVE BEEN IN DENIAL AS A PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:14.170 --> 00:21:18.070
  • WE ARE NOW BEING FORCED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
  • 00:21:18.090 --> 00:21:21.170
  • WE WANT TO BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR A LOT OF THINGS,
  • 00:21:21.190 --> 00:21:24.200
  • BUT IT'S LESS ABOUT HIM AND MORE ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL
  • 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:28.230
  • AND MORAL CONDITION OF OUR NATION.
  • 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:30.240
  • WHERE ARE WE TODAY AS A NATION?
  • 00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:33.120
  • WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEW LOWS,
  • 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.230
  • NEVER MIND THE PRESIDENT. NO, DON'T SAY NEVER MIND.
  • 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:38.110
  • WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF HIM AND HOLD HIM
  • 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:40.050
  • ACCOUNTABLE MORALLY BECAUSE HE IS STILL THAT KIND OF A
  • 00:21:40.070 --> 00:21:43.230
  • LEADER AND IT'S WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THOSE
  • 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:45.180
  • WE PUT IN POWER.
  • 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.100
  • BUT IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE CONDITION OF OUR NATION,
  • 00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:50.100
  • WHERE WE ARE SPIRITUALLY, WHERE WE ARE MORALLY,
  • 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:52.190
  • AND IT'S A WAKE-UP CALL BY GOD SAYING LOOK,
  • 00:21:52.210 --> 00:21:54.140
  • THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE.
  • 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.120
  • AND THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE AVOIDED THAT YOU
  • 00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:58.170
  • NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
  • 00:21:58.190 --> 00:22:02.220
  • SO WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
  • 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.220
  • ANOTHER PASSAGE, WONDERFUL, IN PROVERBS AND IT SAYS
  • 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.010
  • "HOPE DEFERRED MAKES THE HEART SICK."
  • 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:11.240
  • - SICK.
  • 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:13.180
  • - "BUT WHEN A DESIRE COMES, IT BECOMES A TREE OF LIFE."
  • 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:17.150
  • THE HOPE TO SUCCESSFULLY INTEGRATE INTO AMERICAN
  • 00:22:17.170 --> 00:22:21.030
  • SOCIETY ON THE PART OF PERSONS OF COLOR,
  • 00:22:21.050 --> 00:22:24.140
  • ESPECIALLY AFRICAN AMERICANS, HAS BEEN A HOPE
  • 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.130
  • THAT HAS BEEN DEFERRED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
  • 00:22:27.150 --> 00:22:31.080
  • YOU SEE? AND TO THIS DAY, WE'RE STILL HAVING
  • 00:22:31.100 --> 00:22:34.190
  • THE SAME CONVERSATION.
  • 00:22:34.210 --> 00:22:37.000
  • THE MARGINALIZATION AND DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF
  • 00:22:37.020 --> 00:22:39.250
  • PERSONS OF COLOR.
  • 00:22:39.270 --> 00:22:41.140
  • THAT WORD "HOPE DEFERRED MAKES A HEART SICK,"
  • 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.050
  • THE WORD "SICK" THERE, IT MEANS THAT IT GOES SO DEEP
  • 00:22:44.070 --> 00:22:47.160
  • INTO THE PSYCHE OF THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY RESIGN
  • 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:51.160
  • THEMSELVES TO DESPAIR.
  • 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:53.080
  • - WOW.
  • 00:22:53.100 --> 00:22:54.150
  • - AND THEY BEGIN TO REACT VIOLENTLY.
  • 00:22:54.170 --> 00:22:57.220
  • SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE SAY OKAY,
  • 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.150
  • LOOK HOW IT'S PLAYING OUT WITH THE VIOLENCE IN OUR
  • 00:22:59.170 --> 00:23:02.090
  • SOCIETY, NOT JUST COMING FROM PERSONS OF COLOR BUT
  • 00:23:02.110 --> 00:23:06.110
  • FROM THE WHOLE SOCIETY.
  • 00:23:06.130 --> 00:23:08.060
  • THE BOOK OF JAMES TALKS ABOUT WEALTHY PEOPLE NOT
  • 00:23:08.080 --> 00:23:12.200
  • TREATING THEIR LABORERS FAIRLY AND JUSTLY
  • 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:16.230
  • IN TERMS OF WAGES.
  • 00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:18.180
  • AND JAMES SAYS LOOK, YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.190
  • YOU'RE NOT REMOVED FROM THE SITUATION YOU CREATED,
  • 00:23:21.210 --> 00:23:24.160
  • BECAUSE THE VERY PROBLEM THAT YOU CREATED THROUGH
  • 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:28.140
  • THAT UNJUST TREATMENT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO BITE
  • 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:32.060
  • YOU. IN OTHER WORDS, A PROBLEM COULD BE ISOLATED
  • 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:35.250
  • FOR A MOMENT, BUT WHEN LEFT TO ITSELF,
  • 00:23:35.270 --> 00:23:38.170
  • IT'S GOING TO METASTASIZE, AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME
  • 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:40.280
  • PART OF A WHOLE LIKE A CANCER.
  • 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.270
  • - YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TERMS THAT'S BEING USED
  • 00:23:42.290 --> 00:23:45.080
  • TODAY, AND I THINK EVERY TIME NEW TERMS RISE UP,
  • 00:23:45.100 --> 00:23:47.280
  • MAYBE NOT NEW AS IN MONTHLY,
  • 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.140
  • BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM.
  • 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.000
  • LIKE THE WORD WHITE PRIVILEGE, OKAY.
  • 00:23:51.020 --> 00:23:54.100
  • LIKE THE WAY SOME DESCRIBE IT, I KIND OF GO--
  • 00:23:54.120 --> 00:23:57.050
  • BUT TELL ME, IS THERE WHITE PRIVILEGE?
  • 00:23:57.070 --> 00:23:59.050
  • - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:23:59.070 --> 00:24:00.240
  • - EXPLAIN IT SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT.
  • 00:24:00.260 --> 00:24:02.220
  • - IF YOU AND I ARE GOING FOR THE SAME JOB WITH THE SAME
  • 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.100
  • QUALIFICATIONS HERE IN AMERICA; GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:24:05.120 --> 00:24:07.260
  • YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEG UP ON ME BECAUSE OF THE
  • 00:24:07.280 --> 00:24:10.020
  • COLOR OF YOUR SKIN. THAT'S A REALITY.
  • 00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:12.210
  • SO WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A LEGACY OF SLAVERY,
  • 00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:18.270
  • AND WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT TAKE PLACE,
  • 00:24:18.290 --> 00:24:21.030
  • AND YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE IN MILLENNIALS WHO ARE NOW
  • 00:24:21.050 --> 00:24:23.230
  • SAYING WELL LOOK, I DISAGREE WITH MY
  • 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:27.120
  • FOREFATHERS AND HOW THEY IMPLEMENTED OPPRESSION,
  • 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:31.190
  • JIM CROW, SEGREGATION, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
  • 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:35.180
  • ALL RIGHT, BUT IF THESE THINGS CONTINUE BY VIRTUE
  • 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:40.230
  • OF YOUR PRIVILEGE WITHIN THE SOCIETY WHICH GIVES YOU
  • 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:44.260
  • A LEG UP OVER ME AND YOU TURN A BLIND EYE,
  • 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:47.210
  • YOU NOW BECOME COMPLICIT.
  • 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.260
  • JESUS SAID SOMETHING POWERFULLY IN THE BOOK OF
  • 00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:51.130
  • MATTHEW. HE SAID, SPEAKING TO THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS,
  • 00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:54.160
  • HE SAID YOU'RE LIKE WHITE AS SEPULCHERS, TOMBS,
  • 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:59.080
  • WHITEWASHED TOMBS FILLED WITH DEAD MEN'S BONES.
  • 00:24:59.100 --> 00:25:03.090
  • HE SAID YOU CLAIM THAT YOU HATE WHAT YOUR FOREFATHERS
  • 00:25:03.110 --> 00:25:08.040
  • DID IN KILLING THE PROPHETS,
  • 00:25:08.060 --> 00:25:09.270
  • BUT YOU BUILD MONUMENTS IN THEIR HONOR.
  • 00:25:09.290 --> 00:25:12.280
  • MEANING YOU EXPOSE YOURSELF THAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT
  • 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.260
  • WITH WHAT THEY DID.
  • 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:17.100
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:25:17.120 --> 00:25:18.210
  • - BECAUSE IF YOU WEREN'T, YOU WOULDN'T BUILD
  • 00:25:18.230 --> 00:25:20.100
  • MONUMENTS TO CELEBRATE THEM, WHICH--
  • 00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:24.020
  • AND I UNDERSTAND WE SHOULDN'T GO AROUND PULLING
  • 00:25:24.040 --> 00:25:25.240
  • DOWN ALL THE MONUMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES.
  • 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:29.010
  • - SO IF WE'VE GOT THIS BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE
  • 00:25:29.030 --> 00:25:32.260
  • THAT-- WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY IT REALLY SEEMS TO BE,
  • 00:25:32.280 --> 00:25:35.260
  • IT'S ON THE NEWS MORE THAN EVER IN THESE LAST COUPLE
  • 00:25:35.280 --> 00:25:39.060
  • OF YEARS. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE GROWING.
  • 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:42.250
  • AND WHEN I'M LISTENING TO PEOPLE TALK,
  • 00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:45.030
  • I MEAN THE TERMS, THE MILITANT THINGS THAT ARE
  • 00:25:45.050 --> 00:25:48.290
  • GOING ON, SO WE NEED THE WHITE POPULATION TO
  • 00:25:49.010 --> 00:25:53.080
  • UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY WHITE PRIVILEGE.
  • 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:56.160
  • WHAT DO WE NEED TO SAY TO THE BLACK POPULATION?
  • 00:25:56.180 --> 00:26:00.060
  • - THAT-- I LIKE THE PASSAGE IN HEBREWS 12.
  • 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:05.200
  • IT SAYS "TAKE HEED LEST A ROOT OF BITTERNESS FORM IN
  • 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:08.140
  • YOU AND OTHERS BECOME DEFILED BY IT."
  • 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.030
  • SO YOU CAN BECOME BITTER BECAUSE THINGS HAVE
  • 00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:16.250
  • CONTINUED THE WAY THEY HAVE AND IT HASN'T CHANGED.
  • 00:26:16.270 --> 00:26:20.160
  • AND THAT BITTERNESS CAN OVERSHADOW EVERYTHING AND
  • 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:24.070
  • ACTUALLY CLOUD THE LENS THROUGH WHICH YOU SEE AND
  • 00:26:24.090 --> 00:26:26.280
  • UNDERSTAND YOURSELF, LIFE, AND EVERYTHING AROUND YOU.
  • 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.080
  • AND YOU CAN'T HEAL FROM THAT.
  • 00:26:30.100 --> 00:26:32.190
  • SO HEALING NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE ON BOTH SEEDS.
  • 00:26:32.210 --> 00:26:35.130
  • DR. MARIN LUTHER KING SAID NOT ONLY MUST THE
  • 00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:38.200
  • OPPRESSOR-- MUST THE OPPRESSED BE FREED AND
  • 00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:43.080
  • DELIVERED, BUT THE OPPRESSOR HAS TO BE FREED
  • 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:45.030
  • AND DELIVERED BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALIZE THAT HE
  • 00:26:45.050 --> 00:26:48.000
  • HIMSELF AS A PERPETRATOR IS IN A STATE OF OPPRESSION.
  • 00:26:48.020 --> 00:26:52.090
  • - SO IF WE'RE TALKING TO CHRISTIANS AND EVEN PASTORS
  • 00:26:52.110 --> 00:26:55.090
  • TODAY, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HEAL,
  • 00:26:55.110 --> 00:26:58.270
  • THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING TRUTH FROM GOD'S WORD TO
  • 00:26:58.290 --> 00:27:02.210
  • BRING HEALING TO THEIR CONGREGATION,
  • 00:27:02.230 --> 00:27:04.290
  • TO THE NATION, IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE HEART OF A
  • 00:27:05.010 --> 00:27:07.110
  • NATION, IT'S ONLY JESUS I THINK THAT'S GONNA DO THAT.
  • 00:27:07.130 --> 00:27:10.260
  • WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE PASTORS OR EVEN CHRISTIANS
  • 00:27:10.280 --> 00:27:15.000
  • AS WE DIALOGUE AND TALK SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST GROWING
  • 00:27:15.020 --> 00:27:19.210
  • FURTHER AND FURTHER APART.
  • 00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:21.160
  • - I WOULD SAY GET SMART. READ. STUDY.
  • 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:25.250
  • - YOU KNOW THAT'S RARE.
  • 00:27:25.270 --> 00:27:27.270
  • - DEAL WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.
  • 00:27:27.290 --> 00:27:29.170
  • "MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE."
  • 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:32.160
  • IT CONTINUES TO SAY "BECAUSE YOU HAVE
  • 00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:33.290
  • REJECTED KNOWLEDGE."
  • 00:27:34.010 --> 00:27:35.160
  • IT'S NOT JUST A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE BUT THE REJECTION
  • 00:27:35.180 --> 00:27:37.150
  • OF THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT GOD GOT
  • 00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:40.020
  • UPSET WITH HIS PEOPLE AND SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHET.
  • 00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:42.150
  • SO LET'S START HAVING CONVERSATIONS,
  • 00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:45.230
  • BUT LET'S GATHER REASONABLE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE WHO ARE
  • 00:27:45.250 --> 00:27:50.160
  • WILLING TO HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION AND
  • 00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:53.120
  • NOT SHOUT AT EACH OTHER, OR TALK AT EACH OTHER,
  • 00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:56.270
  • BUT TALK TO EACH OTHER.
  • 00:27:56.290 --> 00:27:58.260
  • WE CELEBRATED EVERY CHRISTMAS A WONDERFUL
  • 00:27:58.280 --> 00:28:01.030
  • PASSAGE THAT SAYS "PEACE ON EARTH,
  • 00:28:01.050 --> 00:28:03.090
  • GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN."
  • 00:28:03.110 --> 00:28:05.090
  • THE BETTER TRANSLATION OF THAT IS THIS:
  • 00:28:05.110 --> 00:28:08.230
  • PEACE ON EARTH AMONG MEN OF GOOD WILL.
  • 00:28:08.250 --> 00:28:13.250
  • YOU CANNOT HAVE PEACE WITH SOMEONE,
  • 00:28:13.270 --> 00:28:16.150
  • DAVID SAID IN THE PSALMS, WHO HAS WAR IN THEIR HEART.
  • 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:19.240
  • SO WE HAVE TO BRING MEN AND WOMEN OF GOOD WILL TOGETHER
  • 00:28:19.260 --> 00:28:25.200
  • TO HAVE A REASONABLE CONVERSATION.
  • 00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:28.040
  • MUCH OF WHAT IS SAID IS OUT OF IGNORANCE.
  • 00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:30.040
  • - THAT DOESN'T MAKE GOOD TV. LET'S BE HONEST.
  • 00:28:30.060 --> 00:28:34.190
  • WOULD YOU NOT TELL PEOPLE WATCHING THAT IF THEY'RE
  • 00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:37.190
  • GONNA GO ON A LOT OF THE TV SHOWS TODAY,
  • 00:28:37.210 --> 00:28:39.140
  • THEY'RE GONNA BRING PEOPLE ON IN MANY CASES THAT MAKE
  • 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:43.090
  • IT GOOD TV. SO YOU WANT THEM PASSIONATE,
  • 00:28:43.110 --> 00:28:45.130
  • YOU WANT THEM MAYBE ANGRY, YOU WANT THE DIALOGUE,
  • 00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:48.190
  • THE MONOLOGUE TO BE NAILING IT, TO CREATE EMOTION.
  • 00:28:48.210 --> 00:28:51.210
  • THAT'S WHAT MAKES GOOD TV.
  • 00:28:51.230 --> 00:28:53.120
  • SO WE'RE NOT HELPING WITH TV IN MANY CASES.
  • 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:55.280
  • - BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECULAR TV, ALL RIGHT?
  • 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.070
  • WE HAVE SO MANY PLATFORMS IN THE CHURCH,
  • 00:28:59.090 --> 00:29:03.050
  • IN THE BODY OF CHRIST, ESPECIALLY HERE IN AMERICA,
  • 00:29:03.070 --> 00:29:05.170
  • AND WE'RE NOT USING THOSE PLATFORMS.
  • 00:29:05.190 --> 00:29:07.000
  • WE'RE AFRAID. WE'RE AFRAID.
  • 00:29:07.020 --> 00:29:08.210
  • WE SHOULD IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN HAVE A
  • 00:29:08.230 --> 00:29:11.110
  • CONVERSATION LIKE THIS.
  • 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:13.160
  • YOU UNDERSTAND, OUT OF LOVE, OUT OF REASON.
  • 00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:16.100
  • GOD SAID COME LET US REASON TOGETHER.
  • 00:29:16.120 --> 00:29:19.200
  • WE DON'T CHECK OUR BRAINS IN THE BACK OF THE CHURCH
  • 00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:21.200
  • AND THEN GO IN AND HAVE A HOLY SPIRIT EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:29:21.220 --> 00:29:23.280
  • YOU'LL BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND,
  • 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.230
  • AND THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE THE
  • 00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:31.230
  • CHURCH IN. WE HAVE TO BE TAUGHT TO THINK,
  • 00:29:31.250 --> 00:29:34.190
  • AND WE HAVE TO BE GIVEN THE TOOLS WITH WHICH TO THINK
  • 00:29:34.210 --> 00:29:38.050
  • AND UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SENSE OF LIFE.
  • 00:29:38.070 --> 00:29:40.020
  • SO CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE USING,
  • 00:29:40.040 --> 00:29:42.210
  • ESPECIALLY HERE IN AMERICA, USING ITS PLATFORM TO HAVE
  • 00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:45.140
  • REASONABLE DISCUSSIONS.
  • 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.130
  • NOT SUPPORTING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
  • 00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:51.020
  • WE SHOULD BE HAVING REASONABLE DISCUSSIONS TO
  • 00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:53.170
  • SEE HOW ALL OF THIS COMES TOGETHER,
  • 00:29:53.190 --> 00:29:55.050
  • HOW WE MAKE SENSE OF IT.
  • 00:29:55.070 --> 00:29:56.240
  • - OKAY, YOU'VE GOT TO REPEAT THAT.
  • 00:29:56.260 --> 00:29:58.050
  • SO WE DON'T TAKE SIDES, BUT WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:29:58.070 --> 00:30:02.120
  • - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:30:02.140 --> 00:30:03.170
  • - BOTH SIDES.
  • 00:30:03.190 --> 00:30:04.230
  • - THE BIBLE SAYS IN ALL YOUR GETTING,
  • 00:30:04.250 --> 00:30:06.060
  • GET UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:07.220
  • WISDOM IS THE PRINCIPLE THING BUT IN ORDER TO GET
  • 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.140
  • THERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE UNDERSTANDING.
  • 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.280
  • - THERE'S A PROVERB THAT BRINGS OUT THAT WHEN YOU
  • 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.010
  • ARE HEARING A CASE, THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK ALWAYS
  • 00:30:16.030 --> 00:30:19.060
  • SOUNDS RIGHT UNTIL YOU HEAR THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:24.150
  • AND THE SAME COULD BE LOOKED AT WITH RACE IS THAT
  • 00:30:24.170 --> 00:30:27.100
  • IF ALL I KNOW IS ME AND MY WHITE FRIENDS AND I'M GOING
  • 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:29.200
  • WHAT'S YOUR ISSUE? LIKE, COME ON.
  • 00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:32.090
  • UNTIL I SIT DOWN AND YOU BEGIN TO TELL ME AND SHARE.
  • 00:30:32.110 --> 00:30:36.250
  • WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUICK CLIPS I THINK I'M GOING TO
  • 00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:38.270
  • SHOW OF A COUPLE OF GUYS EACH SHARING A STORY OF
  • 00:30:38.290 --> 00:30:43.170
  • WHEN THEY REALIZED RACISM.
  • 00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.100
  • AND LET'S GO TO THAT CLIP.
  • 00:30:46.120 --> 00:30:47.180
  • I'D LIKE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.230
  • - I WAS IN A GROCERY STORE WITH MY MOM,
  • 00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:51.290
  • AND I HAD TO BE MAYBE SIX YEARS OLD.
  • 00:30:52.010 --> 00:30:55.050
  • STANDING IN FRONT OF ME WAS A VERY LARGE MAN.
  • 00:30:55.070 --> 00:30:59.120
  • I REMEMBER LOOKING UP AT THIS GUY AND THE COUNTER
  • 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:02.110
  • AND I SAID "OH, MAMA, THAT MAN NECK RED!"
  • 00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:06.190
  • AND LITERALLY, MY MAMA SLAPPED ME IN MY MOUTH
  • 00:31:06.210 --> 00:31:09.020
  • RIGHT THERE IN THE STORE.
  • 00:31:09.040 --> 00:31:10.170
  • AND THEN SHE STARTS PROFUSELY APOLOGIZING TO
  • 00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:13.030
  • THIS MAN SAYING I'M SO SORRY, I'M SO SORRY,
  • 00:31:13.050 --> 00:31:16.040
  • MY SON DIDN'T KNOW. HE DIDN'T KNOW.
  • 00:31:16.060 --> 00:31:18.030
  • HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.
  • 00:31:18.050 --> 00:31:20.030
  • WHEN LITERALLY, AS A KID, I JUST WENT BY WHAT I SAW,
  • 00:31:20.050 --> 00:31:23.120
  • BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT BY SAYING HIS NECK WAS
  • 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:25.210
  • RED, THAT SHE THOUGHT I WAS CALLING HIM A RED NECK.
  • 00:31:25.230 --> 00:31:27.260
  • AND JUST FROM THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT WAS
  • 00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:29.210
  • HAPPENING WITH MY MOM AND THIS MAN IN THE STORE,
  • 00:31:29.230 --> 00:31:32.180
  • THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT I VISIBLY REMEMBER RACE
  • 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.280
  • BEING SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY EXISTED IN AMERICA.
  • 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.160
  • - I WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH SOME OF MY
  • 00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:42.240
  • COUSINS WHO WERE A FEW YEARS OLDER THAN ME,
  • 00:31:42.260 --> 00:31:45.140
  • AND WE HEARD THE SOUND OF CHILDREN IN A SWIMMING
  • 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.010
  • POOL, AND IT WAS COMING FROM A NEARBY PARK.
  • 00:31:48.030 --> 00:31:51.230
  • AND SO AS CHILDREN WILL DO, WE WENT OVER AND WE SAW
  • 00:31:51.250 --> 00:31:55.210
  • THESE CHILDREN IN THE POOL, AND WE DECIDED THAT
  • 00:31:55.230 --> 00:31:59.060
  • WE WERE GOING TO GET IN THE POOL AS WELL.
  • 00:31:59.080 --> 00:32:01.210
  • WELL, LITTLE DID WE KNOW, IT WAS A WHITES ONLY PARK
  • 00:32:01.230 --> 00:32:05.040
  • AND A WHITES ONLY POOL.
  • 00:32:05.060 --> 00:32:07.000
  • ACTUALLY, WE NEVER EVEN GOT IN THE WATER. AS WE WERE
  • 00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:09.060
  • JUST GETTING READY TO JUMP IN THE WATER,
  • 00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:10.290
  • WE WERE ACCOSTED BY A POLICE OFFICER,
  • 00:32:11.010 --> 00:32:13.060
  • A WHITE POLICE OFFICER.
  • 00:32:13.080 --> 00:32:15.070
  • AND HE CALLED US NAMES.
  • 00:32:15.090 --> 00:32:17.170
  • HE EVEN PHYSICALLY GRABBED ONE OF MY COUSINS AND
  • 00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:22.210
  • PUSHED HIM AROUND, AND HE TOLD US TO GET OUT OF
  • 00:32:22.230 --> 00:32:25.030
  • THE PARK AND DON'T GET IN THAT WATER.
  • 00:32:25.050 --> 00:32:28.110
  • AND IT WAS A PRETTY TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE
  • 00:32:28.130 --> 00:32:31.200
  • FOR A FIVE YEAR OLD.
  • 00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:33.210
  • BUT THE MOST HURTFUL THING IS WHEN WE WENT HOME AND
  • 00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:36.070
  • TOLD OUR PARENTS WHAT HAPPENED, AND THEY
  • 00:32:36.090 --> 00:32:39.030
  • JUST SAID IT WAS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
  • 00:32:39.050 --> 00:32:40.270
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
  • 00:32:40.290 --> 00:32:43.000
  • - OKAY. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFERENT
  • 00:32:43.020 --> 00:32:46.100
  • YOU AND I ARE. I MEAN.
  • 00:32:46.120 --> 00:32:47.250
  • - WE ARE? [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:32:47.270 --> 00:32:51.140
  • - NOT JUST IN COLOR AND SKIN BUT THE WAY
  • 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.000
  • YOU WERE RAISED.
  • 00:32:53.020 --> 00:32:54.100
  • I WAS RAISED IN CANADA IN A WONDERFUL WHITE FAMILY.
  • 00:32:54.120 --> 00:32:59.200
  • YOU KNOW WITH VERY LITTLE POLITICAL OR RACIAL AT ALL.
  • 00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:05.190
  • THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT MY FRIENDS OF OTHER
  • 00:33:05.210 --> 00:33:08.240
  • COLOR WERE JUST MY FRIENDS.
  • 00:33:08.260 --> 00:33:10.060
  • EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
  • 00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:11.210
  • AND SO WATCHING THAT TOUCHES ME.
  • 00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:16.040
  • WATCHING THAT, AT FIRST I STARTED TO SMILE WHEN THE
  • 00:33:16.060 --> 00:33:19.110
  • GUY-- THEN I THOUGHT OKAY, RED NECK.
  • 00:33:19.130 --> 00:33:21.020
  • THEN I THOUGHT JUST A MINUTE,
  • 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:22.190
  • THAT MOM WAS SCARED.
  • 00:33:22.210 --> 00:33:24.220
  • AND YOU KIND OF GO THAT HAS GOT TO PUT SOMETHING
  • 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.160
  • DEEP IN THE INSIDE.
  • 00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:29.280
  • THESE ARE TWO WELL-SPOKEN GUYS.
  • 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.100
  • THEY'RE LOOKING SHARP.
  • 00:33:31.120 --> 00:33:32.250
  • AND BAM, THEIR MEMORY GOES STRAIGHT BACK AND THEY'VE
  • 00:33:32.270 --> 00:33:35.020
  • NEVER FORGOTTEN THIS INSTANCE.
  • 00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:36.220
  • - YOU DON'T FORGET.
  • 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.200
  • FIRST OF ALL, LET ME TELL YOU, RACE,
  • 00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:41.090
  • YOU'RE NOT BORN A RACIST.
  • 00:33:41.110 --> 00:33:43.030
  • RACISM IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR.
  • 00:33:43.050 --> 00:33:46.180
  • - SO TRUE.
  • 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.280
  • - IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE IN.
  • 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.000
  • YOUR FAMILY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
  • 00:33:50.020 --> 00:33:52.180
  • I GREW UP IN BEDFORD-STUYVESANT BROOKLYN.
  • 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.200
  • AND BUSHWICK BROOKLYN.
  • 00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:57.170
  • IT WAS IN THE 1960'S, RIGHT, THAT I CAME TO AMERICA IN
  • 00:33:57.190 --> 00:34:02.050
  • THE LATE 50'S, GREW UP FOR THE MOST PART IN THE 60'S
  • 00:34:02.070 --> 00:34:05.210
  • REVOLUTION, A DECADE.
  • 00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:09.120
  • AND I WAS PART OF THE DESEGREGATION PROGRAM.
  • 00:34:09.140 --> 00:34:13.190
  • SO I WAS BUSSED OUT TO WHITE SCHOOLS FROM BROOKLYN
  • 00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:18.110
  • INTO QUEENS AS PART OF DESEGREGATING THOSE SCHOOLS.
  • 00:34:18.130 --> 00:34:23.190
  • WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE SCHOOL GROUNDS.
  • 00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:27.070
  • THERE WERE CERTAIN RULES THAT CONTROLLED US.
  • 00:34:27.090 --> 00:34:30.090
  • FOR ME, I WAS ALWAYS ABLE TO ASSIMILATE VERY EASILY
  • 00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:33.050
  • WITHIN THE CONTEXT.
  • 00:34:33.070 --> 00:34:36.090
  • I DEVELOPED FRIENDS AND GREAT RELATIONSHIPS,
  • 00:34:36.110 --> 00:34:39.190
  • BUT I WAS CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT I WAS
  • 00:34:39.210 --> 00:34:41.160
  • PART OF AN EXPERIMENT.
  • 00:34:41.180 --> 00:34:43.250
  • AND I SAW THE DISTINCTIONS JUST BY HOW PEOPLE TREATED
  • 00:34:43.270 --> 00:34:49.050
  • ME AND TREATED THE OTHERS WHO WERE PART OF
  • 00:34:49.070 --> 00:34:51.260
  • THAT BUSSING PROGRAM.
  • 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.250
  • IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THIS CONTRADICTION IN AMERICAN
  • 00:34:53.270 --> 00:35:01.010
  • SOCIETY, HOLDING UP A PARTICULAR PROMISE TO YOU,
  • 00:35:01.030 --> 00:35:04.100
  • AND YET WITHIN THE SYSTEM ITSELF,
  • 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:07.140
  • DESIGNING IT SO THAT THERE IS A SEGMENT OF THE
  • 00:35:07.160 --> 00:35:10.170
  • POPULATION WHO COULD NEVER REACH OR EXPERIENCE THAT
  • 00:35:10.190 --> 00:35:13.210
  • PROMISE. SO IT-- AND I GREW UP WITHOUT A FATHER.
  • 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:19.250
  • MY FATHER ABANDONED ME WHEN I WAS BORN IN PANAMA.
  • 00:35:19.270 --> 00:35:23.220
  • SO GROWING UP WITHOUT A FATHER,
  • 00:35:23.240 --> 00:35:25.250
  • GROWING UP TOO LIGHT TO BE WHITE AND NOT DARK ENOUGH
  • 00:35:25.270 --> 00:35:32.070
  • TO BE BLACK, I WAS KIND OF IN THIS MIDDLE ZONE WHERE I
  • 00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:36.150
  • HAD TO DECIDE MY IDENTITY.
  • 00:35:36.170 --> 00:35:39.070
  • AND ONCE I MADE THAT DECISION,
  • 00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:44.110
  • I THEN HAD TO CONSTRUCT A WORLD AROUND THAT DECISION.
  • 00:35:44.130 --> 00:35:49.170
  • AND I BEGAN TO SEE ON A DEEPER LEVEL THE RACISM
  • 00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:54.010
  • THAT WAS IN THIS COUNTRY.
  • 00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.180
  • I WAS CHASED OUT OF WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS BY GANGS.
  • 00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:59.170
  • SOME OF MY FRIENDS WERE KILLED IN THE PROCESS.
  • 00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:02.160
  • THERE WAS THE VIETNAM WAR AND HOW THAT TENDED TO
  • 00:36:02.180 --> 00:36:07.290
  • EXPLOIT BLACK COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE IN THE
  • 00:36:08.010 --> 00:36:11.000
  • URBAN COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IN NEW YORK
  • 00:36:11.020 --> 00:36:14.140
  • CITY, AND YOU WERE A GANG MEMBER AND YOU GOT BUSTED
  • 00:36:14.160 --> 00:36:17.150
  • FOR GANG BANGING, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS OUT THERE.
  • 00:36:17.170 --> 00:36:19.280
  • YOU WERE GIVEN A CHOICE.
  • 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.000
  • YOU EITHER WENT TO JAIL OR YOU WENT TO VIETNAM.
  • 00:36:23.020 --> 00:36:28.030
  • I LOST FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY FELT, OKAY,
  • 00:36:28.050 --> 00:36:30.190
  • MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN GOING INTO
  • 00:36:30.210 --> 00:36:33.040
  • PRISON AND HAVING A RECORD AND EXPERIENCING A DEEPER
  • 00:36:33.060 --> 00:36:36.100
  • LEVEL OF RACISM WITHIN THE PENAL SYSTEM.
  • 00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:39.090
  • SO ALL OF THAT WAS BUILT IN.
  • 00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:41.270
  • AND THEN AS I LOOKED TO THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH,
  • 00:36:41.290 --> 00:36:44.080
  • BECAUSE IN PANAMA, YOU'RE KIND OF BORN CATHOLIC,
  • 00:36:44.100 --> 00:36:46.110
  • SO I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC.
  • 00:36:46.130 --> 00:36:50.030
  • BUT I SAW WITHIN THAT CONTEXT OF THE 60S THE
  • 00:36:50.050 --> 00:36:56.030
  • FAILURE OF THE WHITE CHRISTIAN CHURCH TO DEAL
  • 00:36:56.050 --> 00:37:00.100
  • WITH THE SOCIOECONOMIC PLIGHT OF BLACKS,
  • 00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:04.130
  • ESPECIALLY AFRICAN AMERICANS WITHIN THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:07.160
  • SO WHEN DR. KING WROTE THAT LETTER FROM THE BIRMINGHAM
  • 00:37:07.180 --> 00:37:10.110
  • JAIL ASKING WHERE ARE THESE PASTORS,
  • 00:37:10.130 --> 00:37:13.260
  • WHERE ARE THESE CHURCHES, WHY AREN'T THEY INVOLVED
  • 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.290
  • IN THIS REALITY, THIS MORAL ISSUE,
  • 00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:22.280
  • IT SAID TO ME THAT THEY EITHER FAILED,
  • 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.030
  • THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED,
  • 00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:29.140
  • OR MAYBE THEY AGREED WITH THE RACISM,
  • 00:37:29.160 --> 00:37:32.010
  • WITH THE SENSE OF SUPERIORITY OVER ANOTHER
  • 00:37:32.030 --> 00:37:34.240
  • GROUP OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.140
  • SO AS A RESULT, I ENDED UP BECOMING A PART OF THE
  • 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:40.030
  • BLACK MUSLIM MOVEMENT, THE NATION OF ISLAM.
  • 00:37:40.050 --> 00:37:42.130
  • IT GAVE STRENGTH TO ME, IT GAVE ORDER,
  • 00:37:42.150 --> 00:37:44.260
  • IT GAVE ME IDENTITY.
  • 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.040
  • - WAS THAT THE ATTRACTION? THOSE THREE THINGS?
  • 00:37:47.060 --> 00:37:48.170
  • - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:37:48.190 --> 00:37:49.290
  • AS A YOUNG KID GROWING UP WITHOUT A FATHER,
  • 00:37:50.010 --> 00:37:52.020
  • YOU'RE LOOKING FOR STRENGTH,
  • 00:37:52.040 --> 00:37:53.120
  • YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IDENTITY,
  • 00:37:53.140 --> 00:37:54.220
  • YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ORDER, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SENSE
  • 00:37:54.240 --> 00:37:57.030
  • OF PURPOSE AND CAUSE.
  • 00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:59.040
  • SO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE SETTLED IN OUR
  • 00:37:59.060 --> 00:38:01.180
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH OUR SPIRITUAL
  • 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:03.230
  • IDENTITY WERE SETTLED FOR ME, SOMEWHAT SETTLED, WITHIN
  • 00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:08.200
  • A CONTEXT OF A VERY RADICAL SOCIAL MOVEMENT.
  • 00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:12.200
  • - HOW LONG WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH THAT?
  • 00:38:12.220 --> 00:38:13.280
  • - I WAS THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
  • 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.100
  • - FIVE YEARS. - YEAH. YEAH.
  • 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:16.220
  • AND BY THAT TIME-- I WAS SOCIALLY ACTIVE ANYWAY
  • 00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:20.190
  • BECAUSE WE ORGANIZED TO BRING AFRICAN AMERICAN
  • 00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:25.160
  • STUDIES INTO OUR PREDOMINANTLY WHITE HIGH SCHOOL.
  • 00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:30.080
  • AND THAT WAS PROTESTS. WE HAD CLASHES WITH THE POLICE
  • 00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:36.040
  • AND ALL THAT, BUT WE GOT IT DONE.
  • 00:38:36.060 --> 00:38:37.270
  • SO I WAS ALWAYS CONSCIOUS OF THAT.
  • 00:38:37.290 --> 00:38:39.270
  • THEN GOING INTO THE NATION OF ISLAM
  • 00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:41.250
  • YOU KNOW, IT GAVE ME THOSE THINGS I WAS LOOKING FOR
  • 00:38:41.270 --> 00:38:45.010
  • AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, A CAUSE.
  • 00:38:45.030 --> 00:38:47.140
  • MY WIFE, WE DATED,
  • 00:38:47.160 --> 00:38:50.210
  • THEN WHEN I WENT FULL FORCE, WE WERE MARRIED IN 1972,
  • 00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:54.010
  • SO I WAS STILL INVOLVED. SHE NEVER BOUGHT INTO IT.
  • 00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:57.090
  • YEAH, I TOOK HER TO THE MOSQUE ONCE AND
  • 00:38:57.110 --> 00:38:59.020
  • FORGET IT. THAT WASN'T GONNA WORK BECAUSE
  • 00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:01.140
  • THEY SEPARATE MALE AND FEMALE ON EITHER SIDE,
  • 00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:04.070
  • AND THEY FRISK YOU. SO I WENT INTO THE MOSQUE.
  • 00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:07.160
  • I'M GETTING SEATED, AND MY WIFE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE,
  • 00:39:07.180 --> 00:39:09.120
  • AND ALL I HEAR IS, "DON'T TOUCH ME!
  • 00:39:09.140 --> 00:39:11.000
  • DON'T TOUCH ME! DON'T!" I SAID, THAT'S MY WIFE.
  • 00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:14.210
  • - THAT'S WHO THAT IS.
  • 00:39:14.230 --> 00:39:16.170
  • - SO THAT WAS THE FIRST AND LAST TIME.
  • 00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:18.140
  • SO SHE JUST KIND OF -- SHE WAS METHODIST, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:20.180
  • SO SHE SAID, YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THAT THING
  • 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:24.220
  • THAT YOU BELIEVE.
  • 00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:26.090
  • I'M GOING TO BE FINE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:39:26.110 --> 00:39:28.150
  • AND DIETARY LAWS BECAUSE I STOPPED EATING PORK,
  • 00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:33.120
  • AND IS HE LOVED BACON.
  • 00:39:33.140 --> 00:39:35.060
  • SHE WOULD COOK IT IN THE HOUSE WHEN I WAS AT WORK AND
  • 00:39:35.080 --> 00:39:37.050
  • TRY TO SPRAY IT AWAY WHEN I CAME HOME.
  • 00:39:37.070 --> 00:39:41.000
  • BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I FOUND THOSE THINGS THAT I
  • 00:39:41.020 --> 00:39:45.120
  • MENTIONED, BUT I DIDN'T FIND GOD.
  • 00:39:45.140 --> 00:39:47.150
  • AND SOMEHOW, INTUITIVELY, I KNEW THAT GOD, TRUTH, AND
  • 00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:49.250
  • REALITY WERE SYNONYMOUS, AND WHEN I FOUND ONE, THE OTHER
  • 00:39:49.270 --> 00:39:52.150
  • TWO WOULD BE THERE.
  • 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.040
  • - OKAY SO, ON ONE HAND, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR PURPOSE,
  • 00:39:54.060 --> 00:39:56.220
  • DISCIPLINE, STRENGTH.
  • 00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:59.110
  • YOU FOUND THEM, TO A DEGREE, SO CHRISTIANITY BECAME
  • 00:39:59.130 --> 00:40:04.120
  • ATTRACTIVE, OR JESUS.
  • 00:40:04.140 --> 00:40:06.190
  • - THE PERSON OF JESUS, NOT THE INSTITUTION OF CHRISTIANITY.
  • 00:40:06.210 --> 00:40:09.010
  • - RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:40:09.030 --> 00:40:10.260
  • - I BECAME INTRIGUED AND FASCINATED WITH THE
  • 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.280
  • PERSON OF JESUS, ALL RIGHT?
  • 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.240
  • BECAUSE WHEN I BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND --
  • 00:40:14.260 --> 00:40:16.150
  • - DID YOU SEE HIM AS STRONG? - ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:40:16.170 --> 00:40:18.060
  • - OKAY, YOU DID? GOOD.
  • 00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:20.010
  • - AND I NEEDED THAT IMAGE BECAUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
  • 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:22.010
  • THERE WERE TWO ICONS.
  • 00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:24.060
  • THERE WAS MALCOLM X, AND THERE WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING.
  • 00:40:24.080 --> 00:40:27.000
  • MY GROUP WENT WITH MALCOLM BECAUSE WE FELT THAT DR. KING
  • 00:40:27.020 --> 00:40:29.280
  • WAS COMPROMISING, HE WAS WEAK, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE
  • 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.010
  • REVOLUTION TO STAND UP TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN
  • 00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:35.190
  • ORDER TO AFFECT CHANGE. SO WE LEANED TOWARD MALCOLM.
  • 00:40:35.210 --> 00:40:39.040
  • SO I HAD THIS BENT TOWARDS FORCING CHANGE WITHIN THE
  • 00:40:39.060 --> 00:40:46.080
  • SOCIETY, AND WE BELIEVED THAT REVOLUTION WAS COMING,
  • 00:40:46.100 --> 00:40:49.050
  • AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT.
  • 00:40:49.070 --> 00:40:53.000
  • SO THAT IS WHAT INFLUENCED ME, BUT I WAS
  • 00:40:53.020 --> 00:40:58.090
  • STILL LOOKING FOR GOD.
  • 00:40:58.110 --> 00:41:00.120
  • SO I READ ABOUT THE HISTORICAL JESUS. WASN'T IMPRESSED.
  • 00:41:00.140 --> 00:41:03.190
  • I READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT JESUS, AND FOR HIM TO MAKE
  • 00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:07.260
  • THAT KIND OF A SACRIFICE AND ALSO TO STAND
  • 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.230
  • UP TO THE POWERS...
  • 00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:12.240
  • WE HAVE THIS IMAGE OF JESUS THAT HE WAS THIS WONDERFUL
  • 00:41:12.260 --> 00:41:15.180
  • PERSON THAT SAID, "OH, I LOVE YOU." BUT NO, HE WOULD HAVE
  • 00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:18.130
  • BEEN CONSIDERED A RADICAL REVOLUTIONARY TODAY BECAUSE HE
  • 00:41:18.150 --> 00:41:21.220
  • SPOKE TO THE SOCIAL ISSUES.
  • 00:41:21.240 --> 00:41:24.030
  • HE SPOKE TO THE INEQUITIES WITHIN HIS OWN SOCIETY.
  • 00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:27.060
  • HE SPOKE TO THE DOMINANT POWER OF ROME, TO THE RELIGIOUS
  • 00:41:27.080 --> 00:41:30.010
  • LEADERS, THE SADDUCEES, THE SCRIBES, THE PHARISEES AND THE
  • 00:41:30.030 --> 00:41:32.280
  • HERODIANS, AND HE MADE VERY CLEAR STATEMENTS ABOUT THEM.
  • 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.150
  • WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE LEAVEN OF ALL OF THESE GROUPS, WHICH
  • 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:40.120
  • IS HYPOCRISY, HE SAID THIS IS WHAT THEY PRESENT, ALL RIGHT?
  • 00:41:40.140 --> 00:41:44.170
  • TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, AND TO MAINTAIN POWER, BUT YOU
  • 00:41:44.190 --> 00:41:49.020
  • CANNOT FOLLOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT
  • 00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:52.050
  • FOLLOW WHAT THEY SAY.
  • 00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:53.270
  • SO WITHIN ITS OWN CONTEXT, IT WAS THE SAME HYPOCRISY THAT I
  • 00:41:53.290 --> 00:41:56.220
  • WAS SEEING AND EXPERIENCING IN MY CONTEXT,
  • 00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:59.090
  • IN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.
  • 00:41:59.110 --> 00:42:01.050
  • SO I KEPT SEARCHING, AND FINALLY --
  • 00:42:01.070 --> 00:42:04.080
  • GOING INTO MY TESTIMONY.
  • 00:42:04.100 --> 00:42:05.290
  • - THIS IS GOOD. I WAS GOING TO GO INTO THAT.
  • 00:42:06.010 --> 00:42:07.270
  • - YEAH, HERE'S HOW IT STARTED.
  • 00:42:07.290 --> 00:42:12.050
  • IN 1971, MY WIFE AND I WERE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK IN
  • 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:17.190
  • BROOKLYN, A NEIGHBORHOOD IN BROOKLYN, AND TWO OLDER WOMEN
  • 00:42:17.210 --> 00:42:21.050
  • CAME UP TO HER, AND THEY SAID, "DO YOU LOVE HIM?"
  • 00:42:21.070 --> 00:42:26.240
  • SO MY EARS WENT UP, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:29.180
  • AND SHE SAID, "YES." AND THEN THEY ASKED HER, "ARE YOU READY
  • 00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:33.010
  • FOR WHAT GOD HAS FOR HIM?"
  • 00:42:33.030 --> 00:42:36.160
  • I DIDN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD LIKE
  • 00:42:36.180 --> 00:42:38.110
  • THAT, YOU UNDERSTAND?
  • 00:42:38.130 --> 00:42:40.090
  • BECAUSE THE NATION OF ISLAM WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT.
  • 00:42:40.110 --> 00:42:43.070
  • IT INTEGRATED RELIGIOUS THOUGHT IN ISLAM, A LITTLE
  • 00:42:43.090 --> 00:42:46.240
  • JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, SOME NUMEROLOGY.
  • 00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:49.120
  • IT WAS AN INTERESTING COCKTAIL.
  • 00:42:49.140 --> 00:42:51.240
  • SO I WAS NOT IN THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
  • 00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:56.060
  • SO THEY ASKED HER, "ARE YOU READY FOR WHAT GOD
  • 00:42:56.080 --> 00:42:58.250
  • HAS FOR HIM TO DO?"
  • 00:42:58.270 --> 00:43:00.250
  • AND SHE SAID, "YES." AND WE JUST KIND OF LET IT GO,
  • 00:43:00.270 --> 00:43:04.080
  • AND WE KEPT WALKING. I WILL SHARE THIS PART OF IT.
  • 00:43:04.100 --> 00:43:08.060
  • WHEN WE TURNED AROUND, THEY WERE GONE.
  • 00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:09.210
  • - WOW. - WE WENT LOOKING FOR THEM.
  • 00:43:09.230 --> 00:43:11.180
  • WE COULDN'T FIND THEM, AND WE KNEW THOSE OLD
  • 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:12.280
  • LADIES COULDN'T RUN THAT FAST.
  • 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.060
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:43:14.080 --> 00:43:16.040
  • I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT AT THE TIME.
  • 00:43:16.060 --> 00:43:18.090
  • I UNDERSTAND IT NOW THAT I HAVE BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE AND
  • 00:43:18.110 --> 00:43:20.260
  • UNDERSTANDING THE DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE AND THE PARALLEL
  • 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.260
  • UNIVERSE THAT WE LIVE IN BETWEEN THE NATURAL
  • 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.060
  • AND THE SUPERNATURAL. I UNDERSTAND IT NOW.
  • 00:43:26.080 --> 00:43:28.000
  • '72 WE GOT MARRIED.
  • 00:43:28.020 --> 00:43:29.210
  • '73, WHO WAS A MINISTER IN THE METHODIST CHURCH, CALLED AND
  • 00:43:29.230 --> 00:43:35.100
  • TOLD HER, "I WANT YOU TO SEND YOUR HUSBAND OVER BECAUSE I'VE
  • 00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:38.220
  • GOT TO PRAY FOR HIM FOR WHAT GOD HAS FOR HIM." I WENT WITH
  • 00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:42.110
  • RESPECT TO HER, AND MY WIFE GOT MAD BECAUSE HER AUNT TOLD
  • 00:43:42.130 --> 00:43:47.020
  • HER, "DON'T COME WITH HIM. I JUST WANT HIM." I WENT.
  • 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:50.050
  • SHE HAD ME KNEEL DOWN.
  • 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:51.190
  • SHE PUT SOME STUFF ON MY FOREHEAD, AND I HAD A
  • 00:43:51.210 --> 00:43:53.240
  • BIG AFRO BACK THEN. I TOOK GREAT CARE OF MY AFRO.
  • 00:43:53.260 --> 00:43:56.290
  • SHE TOOK MY HAND AND PUT IT RIGHT ON TOP AND PRESSED DOWN,
  • 00:43:57.010 --> 00:44:01.250
  • AND SHE STARTED PRAYING FOR ME.
  • 00:44:01.270 --> 00:44:03.220
  • I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
  • 00:44:03.240 --> 00:44:05.170
  • SO THAT WAS '73, ALL RIGHT?
  • 00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:08.070
  • WHEN I GOT BACK HOME, MY WIFE SAW THE HAND PRINT.
  • 00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:10.290
  • SHE SAID, "WHAT DID SHE DO?"
  • 00:44:11.010 --> 00:44:13.070
  • I SAID, "SHE PRAYED FOR ME, I GUESS." '74, I ENDED UP WITH A
  • 00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:15.270
  • SECRETARY THAT I DIDN'T WANT AT THE BANK, BECAUSE I WAS
  • 00:44:15.290 --> 00:44:18.010
  • IN THE FINANCE INDUSTRY FOR TEN YEARS,
  • 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:19.200
  • AND SHE WAS A PENTECOSTAL.
  • 00:44:19.220 --> 00:44:21.120
  • SO SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT JESUS.
  • 00:44:21.140 --> 00:44:24.040
  • SHE STARTED GIVING ME THESE TRACTS.
  • 00:44:24.060 --> 00:44:26.010
  • I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE TRACTS.
  • 00:44:26.030 --> 00:44:29.020
  • - OH, YEAH, THEY WERE BIG BACK THEN.
  • 00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:31.010
  • - YEAH, SHE WAS FEEDING THEM TO ME, AND I WOULD READ THEM,
  • 00:44:31.030 --> 00:44:32.270
  • AND I WOULD ASK HER QUESTIONS AND SEND HER BACK
  • 00:44:32.290 --> 00:44:34.140
  • TO ASK HER PASTOR.
  • 00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:35.280
  • HER PASTOR FINALLY SAID, "LEAVE HIM ALONE.
  • 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.180
  • HE'S GOING TO CONFUSE YOU." WHAT GOT ME WAS BE HER ABILITY
  • 00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:40.190
  • TO ARTICULATE HER FAITH IN A SIMPLE CHILD-LIKE
  • 00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:44.160
  • FAITH THAT SHE HAD IN THIS JESUS.
  • 00:44:44.180 --> 00:44:46.130
  • THAT BOTHERED ME.
  • 00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:48.100
  • IT WAS VERY POWERFUL.
  • 00:44:48.120 --> 00:44:50.000
  • I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THE CONVICTING WORK OF
  • 00:44:50.020 --> 00:44:52.120
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ME.
  • 00:44:52.140 --> 00:44:55.000
  • SO SHE FINALLY INVITED ME TO A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WAS
  • 00:44:55.020 --> 00:44:58.270
  • TAKING PLACE WITH A GUY WHO WAS A FORMER LEADER OF THE
  • 00:44:58.290 --> 00:45:03.010
  • MAU MAU GANGS IN BROOKLYN.
  • 00:45:03.030 --> 00:45:04.240
  • THEY HAD A NOTORIOUS REPUTATION DOWN
  • 00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:07.090
  • IN FT. GREEN. HIS NAME WAS NICKY CRUZ.
  • 00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:09.220
  • SO I SAID, "OKAY, WE'LL CHECK IT OUT." MY WIFE AND I WENT,
  • 00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:12.050
  • AND THAT NIGHT, I MET JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:16.280
  • AND HE MADE AN ALTAR CALL. I WENT UP.
  • 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.270
  • HE SAID, "CAN I PRAY FOR YOU?" AND I WAS VULNERABLE.
  • 00:45:20.290 --> 00:45:24.190
  • I MEAN, HE COULD HAVE SAID MICKEY MOUSE, AND IT
  • 00:45:24.210 --> 00:45:26.200
  • WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. I WAS THAT OPEN, TRANSPARENT.
  • 00:45:26.220 --> 00:45:29.170
  • I FELT LIKE SOMEBODY PUT A BLOWTORCH TO MY CHEST.
  • 00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:32.210
  • BURNED A HOLE. I STARTED CRYING.
  • 00:45:32.230 --> 00:45:34.150
  • THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO, ESPECIALLY PUBLICLY. I WEPT.
  • 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.110
  • MY SECRETARY WAS THERE WITH HER HUSBAND.
  • 00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:39.280
  • SO AFTER THE SERVICE, WE STARTED LEAVING, AND SHE SAID,
  • 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.100
  • "DID YOU GET IT?"
  • 00:45:43.120 --> 00:45:45.000
  • I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET.
  • 00:45:45.020 --> 00:45:46.230
  • I SAID, "SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ME." AND THEN I BEGAN THE
  • 00:45:46.250 --> 00:45:49.210
  • JOURNEY OF UNDERSTANDING THAT I WAS BORN-AGAIN.
  • 00:45:49.230 --> 00:45:52.230
  • AND TEN DAYS LATER, I'M AT A PRAYER MEETING.
  • 00:45:52.250 --> 00:45:55.060
  • I READ A BOOK CALLED "PRISON TO PRAISE" BY MERLIN CARUTHERS
  • 00:45:55.080 --> 00:45:58.070
  • AND DISCOVERED THE HIGHEST PRAISE YOU CAN GIVE TO
  • 00:45:58.090 --> 00:46:01.020
  • GOD IS "HALLELUJAH." I SAID, "I WANT TO DO THAT." I DID IT,
  • 00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:03.080
  • AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN I FELT THE POWER OF GOD COME OVER ME
  • 00:46:03.100 --> 00:46:06.150
  • PHYSICALLY, I MEAN PHYSICALLY, IN A TANGIBLE WAY.
  • 00:46:06.170 --> 00:46:10.000
  • I FELT LIKE I WAS PLUGGED INTO AN ELECTRICAL SOCKET.
  • 00:46:10.020 --> 00:46:12.260
  • AND I WAS BROKEN, I MEAN, BROKEN INSIDE TO A PLACE OF
  • 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:17.140
  • HUMILITY THAT I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED.
  • 00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:20.030
  • AND THAT WAS TEN DAYS AFTER I GOT SAVED.
  • 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:23.000
  • I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT PENTACOST AND ALL OF THAT, BUT THEN THE
  • 00:46:23.020 --> 00:46:26.130
  • JOURNEY BEGAN, AND THE PERSON OF JESUS. I HAD TO FIGURE HIM OUT.
  • 00:46:26.150 --> 00:46:30.240
  • TWO THINGS THAT I HEARD IN MY HEART THAT NIGHT THAT I GOT
  • 00:46:30.260 --> 00:46:34.100
  • SAVED, JAN 11TH, 1975, I'M THE GOD YOU'RE LOOK FOR.
  • 00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:39.090
  • I KNEW IT WAS JESUS. I JUST KNEW IT. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW.
  • 00:46:39.110 --> 00:46:41.220
  • I JUST KNEW IT.
  • 00:46:41.240 --> 00:46:43.210
  • BUT THEN HE SAID, "I AND MY WORD ARE ONE." THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:46:43.230 --> 00:46:48.090
  • REALLY LIBERATED ME BECAUSE HOW COULD THIS GOD OF THE
  • 00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:55.230
  • OPPRESSORS OF BLACK PEOPLE BE THE TRUE GOD?
  • 00:46:55.250 --> 00:46:59.280
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:02.010
  • - SO WHEN HE SAID, "I AND MY WORD ARE ONE," IT LED ME TO
  • 00:47:02.030 --> 00:47:05.130
  • THE SCRIPTURE AND TOOK ME AWAY FROM THESE PAINTINGS AND
  • 00:47:05.150 --> 00:47:07.290
  • IMAGES OF HIM BECAUSE IF YOU SAW HIM IN A WHITE CONTEXT --
  • 00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:13.130
  • WHITE HAIR, BLUE EYES, DARK HAIR, WHITE FACE, BLUE EYES, A
  • 00:47:13.150 --> 00:47:20.030
  • LITTLE DEPARTURE FROM HIS REAL JEWISH CONTEXT.
  • 00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:22.090
  • - EXACTLY.
  • 00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:24.000
  • - BUT IF YOU GO DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN, FULTON STREET IN THE
  • 00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:26.250
  • HOOD, HE HAD AN AFRO. HE HAD A BEARD, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:47:26.270 --> 00:47:31.110
  • RIGHT OUT OF REVELATION.
  • 00:47:31.130 --> 00:47:33.040
  • EYES LIKE FIRE AND HAIR LIKE LAMB'S WOOL.
  • 00:47:33.060 --> 00:47:37.040
  • ALL OF THAT WENT AWAY, AND THE WORD BECAME GOD TO ME, THE
  • 00:47:37.060 --> 00:47:44.160
  • EXPRESSION OF GOD TO ME.
  • 00:47:44.180 --> 00:47:46.220
  • THAT'S WHY I LOVE SCRIPTURE SO MUCH, AND THAT'S WHAT HAS
  • 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:49.030
  • SHAPED MY WORLD VIEW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF MYSELF AND
  • 00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:51.150
  • THE WORLD AROUND ME.
  • 00:47:51.170 --> 00:47:53.180
  • - WHEN YOU LOOK AT TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEWS.
  • 00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:57.210
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMES THAT WE LIVE IN,
  • 00:47:57.230 --> 00:48:00.150
  • AND YOU AND I WERE CHATTING ABOUT THE CHURCH.
  • 00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:02.040
  • WHERE WAS THE CHURCH?
  • 00:48:02.060 --> 00:48:04.090
  • AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND IT'S IMPORTANT
  • 00:48:04.110 --> 00:48:08.010
  • THAT WE, AS BELIEVERS, RECOGNIZE THAT THE POWER OF
  • 00:48:08.030 --> 00:48:11.240
  • HOLY SPIRIT -- I MEAN, WE PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER IN THE NAME
  • 00:48:11.260 --> 00:48:16.230
  • OF JESUS, AND THE BIBLE SAYS IN I CORINTHIANS 12 THAT IT'S
  • 00:48:16.250 --> 00:48:21.050
  • HOLY SPIRIT THAT MANIFESTS HIMSELF IN OUR LIVES
  • 00:48:21.070 --> 00:48:24.030
  • AND IN THE MIRACLES.
  • 00:48:24.050 --> 00:48:26.010
  • AND JUST HEARING YOUR TESTIMONY IS POWERFUL BECAUSE,
  • 00:48:26.030 --> 00:48:30.060
  • OF ALL THE THINGS YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, THE THINGS YOU
  • 00:48:30.080 --> 00:48:32.290
  • WERE GOING THROUGH, IT WASN'T SO MUCH A DOCTRINE AT FIRST.
  • 00:48:33.010 --> 00:48:36.290
  • IT WAS THE FACT THAT JESUS TOUCHED YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:39.190
  • - AMEN.
  • 00:48:39.210 --> 00:48:41.090
  • - AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US -- LIKE I LOVE APOLOGETICS AND
  • 00:48:41.110 --> 00:48:43.210
  • THE FACT THAT BRILLIANT MINDS LOVE JESUS, AND THEY CAN
  • 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:47.280
  • DEFEND THE FAITH IN ALL OF THESE AREAS OF SCIENCE.
  • 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.280
  • BUT REALLY, WE'VE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF WE SHARE OUR
  • 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.290
  • STORY WITH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW JESUS, WE DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:48:56.010 --> 00:48:59.010
  • ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
  • 00:48:59.030 --> 00:49:02.100
  • YOU SAID SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE TELLING YOUR STORY THAT
  • 00:49:02.120 --> 00:49:05.200
  • REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME, AND THAT WAS YOU WEREN'T
  • 00:49:05.220 --> 00:49:08.210
  • CONVINCED. YOU WERE TOUCHED.
  • 00:49:08.230 --> 00:49:10.210
  • - YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:49:10.230 --> 00:49:12.230
  • - AND I THINK THAT IF WE ALL WOULD BEGIN TO SHARE LOVINGLY,
  • 00:49:12.250 --> 00:49:14.290
  • CONFIDENTLY, WHO JESUS IS TO US -- STOP DEFENDING WHETHER
  • 00:49:15.010 --> 00:49:20.150
  • IT'S BAPTIST OR PENTECOSTAL OR WHATEVER BECAUSE RELIGION,
  • 00:49:20.170 --> 00:49:25.080
  • I ALWAYS SAY RELIGION SUCKS.
  • 00:49:25.100 --> 00:49:27.030
  • IT IS A BUNCH OF MAN MADE RULES TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE
  • 00:49:27.050 --> 00:49:31.110
  • QUALIFY THEMSELVES FOR GOD.
  • 00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:33.070
  • SO MOVE YOUR RELIGION AND DENOMINATION ASIDE,
  • 00:49:33.090 --> 00:49:35.160
  • AND YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THIS MAN JESUS.
  • 00:49:35.180 --> 00:49:37.150
  • - THE PERSON, THE PERSON FASCINATED ME, AND HE STILL
  • 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:40.230
  • INTRIGUED ME TO THIS DAY BECAUSE HE'S THE WORD.
  • 00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:43.220
  • THAT'S INEXHAUSTIBLE.
  • 00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:45.230
  • SO I'M STILL DISCOVERING NOW THINGS ABOUT HIM, AND JESUS IS
  • 00:49:45.250 --> 00:49:50.210
  • DIFFERENT FROM EVERY MESSIANIC FIGURE, EVERY OTHER PROPHET.
  • 00:49:50.230 --> 00:49:57.160
  • ALL OF THE OTHERS POINT TO THEIR DOCTRINE.
  • 00:49:57.180 --> 00:50:01.060
  • HE POINTS TO HIMSELF.
  • 00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:05.030
  • SO THE ISSUE IS WHO YOU BELIEVE HIM TO BE, THE PERSON,
  • 00:50:05.050 --> 00:50:09.110
  • AND THAT DISTINGUISHES CHRISTIANITY FROM
  • 00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:12.090
  • EVERY OTHER RELIGION.
  • 00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:13.290
  • - YOU CAN'T WATER IT DOWN BECAUSE HE SAID TOO MANY
  • 00:50:14.010 --> 00:50:16.060
  • THINGS LIKE, "I AM THE WAY." HE SAID TOO MANY THINGS LIKE,
  • 00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:20.190
  • "IF YOU SEE ME, YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER." THERE JUST IS NO
  • 00:50:20.210 --> 00:50:23.210
  • WAY TO TAKE JESUS AND PUT HIM IN THE REST OF THE MIX.
  • 00:50:23.230 --> 00:50:26.240
  • THE THINGS THAT HE SAID, AND THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE.
  • 00:50:26.260 --> 00:50:30.040
  • I WAS CHATTING WITH ONE GUY, AND SAID TO ME -- WE WERE
  • 00:50:30.060 --> 00:50:32.120
  • TALKING ABOUT MIRACLES, AND HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, I CAN'T
  • 00:50:32.140 --> 00:50:36.090
  • REALLY SAY THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF MIRACLES LATELY." AND
  • 00:50:36.110 --> 00:50:39.250
  • HE SAID, "I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST, THAT WAS A MIRACLE,
  • 00:50:39.270 --> 00:50:43.270
  • BUT THAT WAS LIKE 30 YEARS AGO." AND I SAID, "WELL, IF
  • 00:50:43.290 --> 00:50:47.060
  • YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE YOUR FAITH WITH SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE
  • 00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:49.190
  • TO UNDERSTAND THE NEWEST MIRACLE IN THE BIBLE IS
  • 00:50:49.210 --> 00:50:51.230
  • 2000 YEARS AGO, AND IT STILL INSPIRES PEOPLE.
  • 00:50:51.250 --> 00:50:55.150
  • SO IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR LIFE TO
  • 00:50:55.170 --> 00:50:57.220
  • CHRIST AND SHARE THAT STORY, THE HOLY SPIRIT'S
  • 00:50:57.240 --> 00:50:59.210
  • STILL GOING TO TOUCH IT.
  • 00:50:59.230 --> 00:51:01.290
  • HE'S GOING TO USE IT TO TOUCH PEOPLE."
  • 00:51:02.010 --> 00:51:03.290
  • - THAT'S THE GREATEST MIRACLE.
  • 00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:05.160
  • HE SHOULDN'T SEE A LOT OF MIRACLES BECAUSE IF HE DID,
  • 00:51:05.180 --> 00:51:07.000
  • THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE MIRACLES ANY LONGER.
  • 00:51:07.020 --> 00:51:08.210
  • IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NATURAL, NATURAL PHENOMENON.
  • 00:51:08.230 --> 00:51:10.170
  • WE WOULD REDUCE IT VERY QUICKLY TO EVERY-DAY.
  • 00:51:10.190 --> 00:51:14.130
  • SO A MIRACLE SHOULD BE EXCEPTIONAL.
  • 00:51:14.150 --> 00:51:16.180
  • IT SHOULD NOT BE ORDINARY.
  • 00:51:16.200 --> 00:51:19.020
  • IT SHOULD BE DIVINE INTERVENTION, AND IT'S
  • 00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:24.020
  • NOT THE DISSOLUTION OF THE NATURAL REALM.
  • 00:51:24.040 --> 00:51:28.110
  • IT'S THE SUSPENSION OF ITS EFFECTS AND ITS
  • 00:51:28.130 --> 00:51:32.220
  • CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE EVERYONE THAT JESUS HEALED
  • 00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:37.140
  • EVENTUALLY DIED PHYSICALLY.
  • 00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:39.280
  • SO THAT HEALING WAS SIMPLY A SUSPENSION,
  • 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.230
  • A TEMPORARY STOPPAGE.
  • 00:51:41.250 --> 00:51:44.070
  • - TOTALLY.
  • 00:51:44.090 --> 00:51:46.000
  • - OF WHAT IS THE REALITY OF FALLEN HUMAN CONDITION.
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  • MIRACLES HAVE A PURPOSE. THEY'RE A SIGN.
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  • THEY POINT TO SOMETHING.
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  • THEY GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER
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  • DIMENSION OF REALITY THAT'S BEYOND OURS AND
  • 00:51:58.090 --> 00:52:02.000
  • MUCH MORE POWERFUL.
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  • - RIGHT. WE SHOULD TIMES GET SO FOCUSED ON THIS PLANET
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  • THAT WE FORGET WHATEVER FEW SHORT YEARS WE'VE GOT
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  • HERE ARE DETERMINING WHERE WE SPEND ETERNITY.
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  • - YEAH, YEAH. IT'S TRUE.
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  • I WILL TELL YOU WITHOUT CHRISTIANITY, I WOULD NOT HAVE
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  • HAD A CONCEPT OF ETERNITY BECAUSE OTHER RELIGIONS STILL
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  • CIRCLE BACK HERE, YOU KNOW?
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  • THE ABRAHAMIC FAITHS, JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM -- EVEN
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  • WITHIN ISLAM, ITS EXPRESSION OF ETERNITY IS STILL SORT OF
  • 00:52:32.140 --> 00:52:39.030
  • AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE PRESENT FALLEN CONDITION, AND
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  • OF COURSE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL
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  • IF YOU CROSS THAT BRIDGE.
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  • YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CROSS IT.
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  • BUT CHRISTIANITY GIVES A LEVEL OF NOT CERTAINTY BUT ASSURANCE
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  • BECAUSE THERE ARE MYSTERIES OF THE FAITH, THINGS
  • 00:52:53.250 --> 00:52:57.080
  • THAT WE CAN'T EXPLAIN.
  • 00:52:57.100 --> 00:52:58.250
  • - THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • - BUT WE BELIEVE. OTHERWISE, IT WOULDN'T BE FAITH.
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  • MIRACLES HAVE THEIR PLACE, AND SOME OF THE MIRACLES THAT
  • 00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:05.080
  • JESUS PERFORMED INSPIRED PEOPLE TO KILL HIM.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • SO MIRACLES DON'T ALWAYS INSPIRE FAITH.
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  • - NO, NO, NO.
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  • IN FACT, WAS IT LAZARUS, WHEN HE WAS IN ABRAHAM'S BOSOM, HE
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  • SAID, "SEND HIM BACK FROM THE DEAD." THE RICH MAN SAID,
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  • "MY BROTHERS WILL --"
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  • AND HE GOES, "NO, THEY WON'T.
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  • THEY'VE GOT THE LAW." AS WE CLOSE,
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  • WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT.
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  • IT'S INTERESTING AS I AND I HAVE TALKED, AS WE LOOK AT THE
  • 00:53:26.100 --> 00:53:29.160
  • COMPLEXITY OF THE SOME OF THE ISSUES, SOME OF THE WAYS TO
  • 00:53:29.180 --> 00:53:32.140
  • LOOK AT THEM TODAY, BLACK AND WHITE, BUT WE HAVE
  • 00:53:32.160 --> 00:53:35.250
  • COME FULL SCALE.
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  • WITHOUT EVEN PLANNING IT, WE'VE COME STRAIGHT TO JESUS,
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  • AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SIMPLIFYING THINGS, BUT IF THE
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  • CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD GET BACK TO SHARING JESUS,
  • 00:53:46.080 --> 00:53:51.260
  • LOVING PEOPLE LIKE JESUS LOVED THEM, WITH HIS LOVE IN OUR
  • 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:56.090
  • HEART, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND
  • 00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:59.290
  • THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE POWERFUL BECAUSE THEY'D BE LED
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  • BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
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  • - CREDIBILITY IS THE ONLY CURRENCY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS
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  • CULTURE, AT THIS TIME.
  • 00:54:10.140 --> 00:54:14.090
  • THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MESSAGE IS IN ITS WITNESSES.
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  • YOU HAVE A COURT CASE: THE STRONG ARE THE WITNESSES, THE
  • 00:54:18.190 --> 00:54:21.290
  • GREATER CREDIBILITY, THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR ARGUMENT,
  • 00:54:22.010 --> 00:54:24.280
  • THE MORE LIKELY YOU WILL WIN THE CASE.
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  • SO JESUS SAID WHAT?
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  • BE ENDUED WITH POWER, PENTECOST, AND YOU
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  • WILL BE WITNESSES.
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  • THE WITNESS IS IN THE POWER OF A TRANSFORMED
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  • LIFE, OUR STORY, SEE?
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  • YOU CANNOT TALK A PERSON OUT OF THEIR HEALING WHO WAS
  • 00:54:43.240 --> 00:54:49.070
  • MIRACULOUSLY HEALED, MIRACULOUSLY CHANGED.
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  • YOU CAN TALK TO ME ALL DAY, YOU SEE?
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  • YOU CANNOT UNDO IN MY MIND AND LIFE EXPERIENCE WHAT I
  • 00:54:54.230 --> 00:54:58.210
  • KNOW IS REAL AND TANGIBLE.
  • 00:54:58.230 --> 00:55:02.000
  • SO WE HAVE TO POINT BACK TO THE POWER OF GOD TO CONVINCE
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  • THE WORLD OF SIN LIKE HE CONVINCED YOU AND I, AND THEN
  • 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:11.180
  • MOVED US INTO HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND STRIP
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  • US OF THE FEAR OF THE JUDGMENT THAT'S COMING.
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  • CHRISTIANITY HAS BECOME ALIVE IN A NEW WAY, AND WE HAVE TO
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  • DO A BETTER JOB OF TRANSLATING IT INTO THE LANGUAGE OF
  • 00:55:20.080 --> 00:55:23.270
  • CULTURE THAN WE'RE DOING. WE TEND TO SPEAK CHRISTIANESE.
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  • - YES. WOULD YOU PRAY?
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  • THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING, AND I BELIEVE GOD IS GOING TO USE
  • 00:55:32.090 --> 00:55:34.120
  • THIS PROGRAM IN A POWERFUL WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:36.200
  • LISTENING, SOME OF THEM ARE SO HURT.
  • 00:55:36.220 --> 00:55:40.080
  • AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING WHO HAVE BEEN SO
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  • OBLIVIOUS, AND GOD WANTS TO TOUCH THEM BOTH.
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  • WOULD YOU JUST PRAY?
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  • - FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE, YOUR
  • 00:55:47.230 --> 00:55:51.290
  • LIFE, AND YOUR LIGHT.
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  • THAT IS YOUR NATURE.
  • 00:55:55.060 --> 00:55:56.240
  • THAT'S WHAT YOU CAME TO GIVE US, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU USE US
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  • TO GIVE TO THE WORLD.
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  • SO, LORD, IN SPITE OF ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT IS
  • 00:56:04.060 --> 00:56:08.030
  • SYMPTOMATIC OF THE FALLEN HUMAN CONDITION,
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  • LET YOUR LOVE, LIFE, AND LIGHT SHINE THROUGH.
  • 00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:15.210
  • INSPIRE YOUR PEOPLE TO KNOW, TO LEARN, TO NOT BE AFRAID TO
  • 00:56:15.230 --> 00:56:20.190
  • HAVE CONVERSATIONS, TO LET THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVE THEM OUT OF
  • 00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:24.000
  • THEIR COMFORT ZONE AND INDEED BE AN INSTRUMENT
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  • IN YOUR HANDS. PASTORS, LET THEM FIND OUT.
  • 00:56:28.070 --> 00:56:31.280
  • LET THEM GET INFORMED.
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  • DON'T BE AFRAID TO STEP OUT IN TRUTH.
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  • STIR OUR HEART'S LOVE AND PASSION FOR TRUTH AND NOT BE
  • 00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:42.080
  • AFRAID OF THAT TRUTH.
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  • BALANCE THAT TRUTH WITH YOUR GRACE AND BEGIN TO HEAL OUR
  • 00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:50.270
  • NATION AND HEAL OUR WORLD AND HEAL A DIVIDED CHURCH.
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  • WE THANK YOU, AND WE ASK YOU IN JESUS' PRECIOUS NAME.
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  • AMEN AND AMEN.
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  • - THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US A.R. THAT WAS AWESOME.
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  • IT WAS SO GOOD TO TALK WITH YOU.
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  • GOD BLESS YOU. WE LOVE YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
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  • SHARE THIS PROGRAM WITH ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS.
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