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October 3, 2019
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One on One with Kirk Cameron

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  • - Hollywood's full of people
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  • who are still trying to find themselves.
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  • - That's right. - That's right.
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  • - That's what we do out there.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - Look at it, you give them fame,
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  • and you give them money,
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  • and they're more unstable.
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  • (heavy metal music and smashing)
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  • - Yep.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - I'm Kirk Cameron,
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  • and I get to meet some pretty amazing people.
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  • These are people who totally inspire me,
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  • with their hearts full of faith, character and courage.
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  • They push their limits, they think outside the box
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  • and bravely use their gifts and talent to bless others.
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  • And today we get to spend some time One on One.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • (sirens)
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  • I am here at the Albany Georgia Fire Department.
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  • This is where we made the the movie Fireproof.
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  • And the two film makers,
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  • brothers Alex and Stephen Kendrick
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  • not only made Fireproof,
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  • but they've been making all kinds of movies
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  • since they were little kids.
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  • They made Facing the Giants, they made Flywheel,
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  • Fireproof, Courageous, War Room
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  • and they just their brand new movie.
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  • I'm so excited to go talk to them, catch up with them
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  • and find out about all the things they've been up to.
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  • Hey.
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  • - Kirk!
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  • - Kirk! - Kirk Cameron!
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  • (excited cheering)
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  • - How you doin' man, it's good to see you.
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  • - How are you buddy?
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  • Ken!
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  • - Good, good to see you.
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  • - Good to see you too.
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  • Good to see you.
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  • - You made it.
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  • - I made it, I can't believe I'm back here.
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  • - It's been 11 years.
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  • - I can't believe it.
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  • I feel like Captain Caleb Holt,
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  • From Albany Fire Department right now.
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  • - Albany Fire Department. - Albany.
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  • - "Never leave your partner behind!"
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  • - "Especially in a fire!"
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  • - "Especially in a fire!"
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  • - And these are the same trucks too.
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  • - I know, I know, and we had the ladder going
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  • all the way up right outside to the sky here.
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  • - The last time we were here, you were shooting
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  • the ending of the movie when you walk out and
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  • We kissed your wife.
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  • - I kissed my wife.
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  • - You kissed your wife.
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  • - We flew in Chelsea.
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  • - People ask me about that scene all the time
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  • 'Was that really your wife, was that really your wife?"
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  • She was a stunt kissing double.
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  • - And people so appreciate the standard
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  • that you guys have of just not having people
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  • (bell ringing)
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  • - Let's go.
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  • - Let's go, alright.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - I remember you doing the scene with Chelsea,
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  • doing a great kiss, silhouette right over here,
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  • and when it was over, you were like,
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  • "Hey guys we can shoot this
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  • a few more times if you want"
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  • - That's right, that's right.
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  • I sense the soft focus from the camera,
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  • let's do it again. - "I need another take."
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  • - Originally there was no kiss at the end of the script
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  • and we were talking about,
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  • "What's he gonna high five his wife
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  • at the end of the movie?"
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  • - "Oh honey, it's so good to see you again!"
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  • - "Let's reconcile, here high five!"
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  • - And Ken, we were best buddies at the fire department.
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  • You were the one who told me
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  • that I should never follow my heart.
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  • - That's right man.
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  • You talk about that scene, salt and pepper shakers.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - I think I got about 50 pair of salt and pepper shakers
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  • at my house right now. (laughing)
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  • - Never leave your partner, especially in a fire.
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  • - That's right and I always remember that now
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  • even in my own marriage, man.
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  • And I just see you and I just start praying
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  • for us and our families, so that's super important.
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  • - And you were also who said to me,
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  • "So are you in? You gotta be all in or you're not in at all"
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  • I'm like, "I'm in, I'm in."
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  • You're like, "So, like, we're brothers
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  • but you're a brother from another mother
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  • but we got the same father".
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  • - Yeah. - That's right.
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  • - So when you said "Don't follow your heart",
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  • the other side of that is "What should we do?"
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  • - You gotta lead your heart.
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  • - Lead your heart. - You gotta lead it.
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  • - Right the heart's deceitful above all things,
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  • so you lead your heart to do what's right,
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  • instead of following whatever inclinations
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  • or emotions are leading you at the time.
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  • - I'll be honest with you, I'm going through
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  • The Love Dare right now at home with my wife.
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  • That book has changed so many people's lives
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  • and it's amazing, the principles are there,
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  • but it's action, action, action, every day.
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  • - Dude's like it because they're short chapters
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  • and it's like "Here's the truth,
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  • here's what you gotta do about it."
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  • - Well listen, in that movie Caleb Holt,
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  • your character does something awesome.
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  • He deals with sin directly.
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  • He doesn't just try to shoo it away or cover it over,
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  • he deals with it.
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  • And so, do you remember what you did as Caleb Holt
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  • in dealing with your character struggling
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  • with pornography, you kind of cut the viper off
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  • at the head. - No more parasites.
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  • - And you crush the screen with a baseball bat.
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  • Some people laugh at that,
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  • but it's profound in that,
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  • that's what we gotta do sin,
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  • you want to eradicate it from your life.
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  • (smashing glass)
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  • - It was symbolic of just ending it, right,
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  • cutting off access like you said.
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  • Because it deals drastically with you
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  • and so we need to deal drastically with it.
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  • - It came from scripture where Jesus says
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  • "If your right hand leads you to sin, cut it off."
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  • He was not talking about literal body mutilation,
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  • you don't hear about John and Paul and Peter
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  • walking around with nubs.
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  • But he was saying get radical with it.
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  • Anything that's leading you away from God,
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  • you need to be serious about dealing with it.
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  • - You crushed a computer back then.
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  • - I did.
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  • - We got something for you to do today.
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  • - It's time to reminisce. - Are you ready?
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  • - It's Mr Rudolph looking over the fence.
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  • - That's right yeah. (laughing)
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  • - With cowboy boots on.
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  • - You never met him in real life.
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  • - No, I still haven't.
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  • - We filmed those at different times.
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  • - So in homage of you destroying that computer,
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  • we gotta do a throw back,
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  • except we gotta upgrade the technology.
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  • So we have some computer screens here.
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  • - Nice.
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  • - That you're gonna remember bashing it.
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  • You think you can do it again today.
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  • - You know what?
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  • I already know I can do it today,
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  • because when we tried it back then
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  • with the CRT monitors,
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  • the glass is so thick it concaved,
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  • we couldn't break it, we even drilled holes in it
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  • the size of quarters to weaken the glass.
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  • - The beauty of editing, we had to make it look like
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  • you broke it with the sound and everything.
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  • - I remember we broke a bat before we broke
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  • the computer monitor.
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  • - That's right.
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  • - That's right, which is also symbolic
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  • that sometimes it's a fight.
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  • (rock n roll music)
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  • - Now you got this.
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  • - We believe in you.
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  • - I've never done this before, it's the first time.
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  • I'll be the guinea pig guys, just step back.
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  • Alright ready?
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  • - Don't let go of the bat, hold onto it.
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  • - Alright here we go.
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  • (computer crashing)
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  • (cheering)
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  • - Very nice.
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  • - Knocked the cover off the ball Alex.
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  • - Nice.
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  • - Way to go, did it crack?
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  • - I got a little bit of a crack.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - That's a start.
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  • - Alright here we go.
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  • - Now from the marine. - Okay
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  • - Get it marine. - Ready?
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  • (laughing)
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  • - You like the start over here?
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  • Alright, here we go.
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  • Right there.
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  • (computer crashing)
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  • - Whoa.
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  • - Nice.
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  • - Do it Stephen.
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  • - You got this. - Alright do it.
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  • (computer crashing)
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  • - Whoa
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  • - Nice.
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  • - Nice.
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  • - Wow he's a beast.
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  • Look at that.
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  • - Put it in the hospital.
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  • Alright you're up.
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  • - Guys, guys, guys, when you're dealing with sins,
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  • you can't play Patty Cake with it.
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  • You gotta lean in,
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  • lean in,
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  • because if you're not all in,
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  • you're not in at all.
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  • (laughing)
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  • - Alright you get warmed up, you get warmed up.
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  • - I'm telling ya, this is how you do it.
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  • Hold these. - Here we go.
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  • - Alright.
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  • No more parasites.
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  • (computer crashing)
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  • - Whoa.
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  • (bat clanging)
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  • - That's how ya do it.
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  • - Okay so, we filmed this in Fireproof,
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  • not to be cheesy about dealing with sin,
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  • but because it makes a statement,
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  • you deal with sin fiercely.
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  • - That's right. - That's right.
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  • - And it's a matter of the heart.
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  • Real sin is dealt with repentance in the heart.
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  • - That's right, that's right.
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  • I can't wait to see your new movie.
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  • What's it called?
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  • - Overcomer
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  • - Yes. - Overcomer.
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  • - It's called Overcomer.
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  • And you're in the middle of editing it right now right?
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  • I want to see it, I want to see it.
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  • - You need to come to our office and see some clips.
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  • - We can show you some stuff.
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  • - Yeah, when?
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  • Can we go now?
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  • - We can go now.
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  • - Let's go.
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  • (rock n roll music)
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  • - This is it, I've never been here.
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  • Hey, I recognize these movies.
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  • - The batcave.
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  • - You signed this one.
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  • - Yeah I did.
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  • There it is.
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  • I love all this memorabilia.
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  • What's this over here?
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  • - You'll remember this.
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  • - Hey I remember that from Flywheel.
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  • Jay Austin Motors.
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  • - This is in every film that we do.
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  • - It lives on.
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  • - Yep.
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  • - You just sort of put it in like an Easter egg?
  • 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.150
  • - Yeah, If you look, there's always gonna
  • 00:09:29.160 --> 00:09:31.000
  • be a car somewhere in the movie that's got that tag on.
  • 00:09:31.010 --> 00:09:33.040
  • - And this is out fake cereal that's also
  • 00:09:33.050 --> 00:09:35.030
  • in every movie we've ever done, all six of them.
  • 00:09:35.040 --> 00:09:37.240
  • - That's the actual fly wheel from the beginning
  • 00:09:37.250 --> 00:09:39.200
  • of the movie Flywheel.
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  • - You know what that is.
  • 00:09:40.180 --> 00:09:41.170
  • - Wrath of God. - Wrath of God.
  • 00:09:41.180 --> 00:09:42.170
  • - Wrath of God.
  • 00:09:42.180 --> 00:09:44.020
  • - This is hotter than the Lake of Fire hot sauce.
  • 00:09:44.030 --> 00:09:46.040
  • - And Alex created that name Wrath of God for the movie.
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:49.120
  • - You drank some of that.
  • 00:09:49.130 --> 00:09:50.190
  • - And we reference it in War Room,
  • 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.150
  • she's like "you want some Wrath of God?"
  • 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:54.060
  • he goes "I don't want the Wrath of God."
  • 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:55.200
  • - Didn't you, when we shot Steven Dervan's side,
  • 00:09:55.210 --> 00:09:58.290
  • he was supposed to drink
  • 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.180
  • tomato juice, - Tomato juice.
  • 00:10:00.190 --> 00:10:01.170
  • - And you spiked it.
  • 00:10:01.180 --> 00:10:02.230
  • - We did, we spiked just the top quarter inch
  • 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.010
  • with the actual habanero sauce.
  • 00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:07.030
  • - 'Cos he said it was burning,
  • 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:08.110
  • and we were shooting and he kept filming.
  • 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.040
  • - We kept re-shooting, and you had to keep refilling
  • 00:10:10.050 --> 00:10:12.200
  • and y'all kept putting more and more hot sauce in there.
  • 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:15.070
  • - Yeah. Yeah. - That was awesome.
  • 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.120
  • - But we meet here, we pray here,
  • 00:10:16.130 --> 00:10:19.000
  • do our writing and editing and everything.
  • 00:10:19.010 --> 00:10:20.200
  • - Right in here, this is the place.
  • 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:22.010
  • I've heard of this place,
  • 00:10:22.020 --> 00:10:23.150
  • there's sort of like a legend that surrounds this place.
  • 00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:25.140
  • It's like it's up in the woods in the mountain somewhere,
  • 00:10:25.150 --> 00:10:28.020
  • the snowy, smokey mountain. - Where the gnats live.
  • 00:10:28.030 --> 00:10:30.240
  • - Yeah, we're below the gnat line in Albany.
  • 00:10:30.250 --> 00:10:34.100
  • - This is awesome.
  • 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:35.200
  • - Both Fireproof and Courageous were edited
  • 00:10:35.210 --> 00:10:37.110
  • on these computers.
  • 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.260
  • So there's been hours and hours of prayer
  • 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:41.200
  • connected to these machines asking God to help us
  • 00:10:41.210 --> 00:10:43.270
  • to reach the nations with them, so it's been exciting.
  • 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:46.080
  • - It's weird if you think about it,
  • 00:10:46.090 --> 00:10:47.270
  • and this would be true for authors or what you produce.
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  • What we might write or produce in this room
  • 00:10:50.250 --> 00:10:54.120
  • if the Lord blesses it, goes around the world.
  • 00:10:55.180 --> 00:10:57.270
  • And that's very sobering 'cos you want God's fingerprints
  • 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:00.220
  • all over what you do.
  • 00:11:00.230 --> 00:11:01.290
  • - And how does the ping pong table fit
  • 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:03.140
  • into your movie making?
  • 00:11:03.150 --> 00:11:04.260
  • - Three o'clock in the morning we're trying to edit,
  • 00:11:04.270 --> 00:11:06.100
  • we hit a wall it's like "Let's just go play ping pong."
  • 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:09.060
  • - How about a little tournament right now?
  • 00:11:09.070 --> 00:11:11.010
  • - Okay. - Oh okay.
  • 00:11:11.020 --> 00:11:12.120
  • - You wanna jump in?
  • 00:11:12.130 --> 00:11:13.160
  • - No, Kendrick versus Kendrick,
  • 00:11:13.170 --> 00:11:15.130
  • and I'm gonna be,
  • 00:11:15.140 --> 00:11:16.250
  • I'll be the line ref.
  • 00:11:16.260 --> 00:11:18.120
  • - Okay.
  • 00:11:18.130 --> 00:11:19.070
  • - Alright.
  • 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:20.030
  • (ping pong tapping)
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  • - Oh - Oh
  • 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:28.190
  • - Alright four six.
  • 00:11:33.110 --> 00:11:34.200
  • - Oh - Oh
  • 00:11:34.210 --> 00:11:35.160
  • - Coming back.
  • 00:11:36.290 --> 00:11:38.040
  • - No, he took me Kirk.
  • 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:44.090
  • You're up. - Pay it back.
  • 00:11:44.100 --> 00:11:46.210
  • - Alright Kirk.
  • 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:47.250
  • - Alright, here we go.
  • 00:11:47.260 --> 00:11:49.160
  • - Alright, he's warmed up man.
  • 00:11:49.170 --> 00:11:52.010
  • - Six three, gotta come back Kirk.
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.270
  • - Gotta come back. - I gotta come back.
  • 00:12:05.280 --> 00:12:08.130
  • - Oh. - Oh.
  • 00:12:15.030 --> 00:12:15.280
  • - He came back and took it.
  • 00:12:17.260 --> 00:12:20.110
  • - Good game. - Well done
  • 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:21.140
  • - Fun, fun, fun.
  • 00:12:21.150 --> 00:12:22.260
  • - We need to show you what's next.
  • 00:12:22.270 --> 00:12:25.070
  • - Yeah show me.
  • 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:26.130
  • - Alright we're gonna come up here.
  • 00:12:26.140 --> 00:12:27.270
  • - I'm glad that there's another escape room.
  • 00:12:27.280 --> 00:12:29.040
  • - That's right.
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  • - Okay so, this is called our war room.
  • 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.250
  • - Every week we're praying in here
  • 00:12:32.260 --> 00:12:34.240
  • and planning and scheming.
  • 00:12:34.250 --> 00:12:36.070
  • - Yeah so we put our prayer requests on the wall
  • 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.210
  • in what we're doing and get our team in here
  • 00:12:39.220 --> 00:12:41.090
  • and talk about whatever project we're working on.
  • 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:44.290
  • But we're gonna show you the teaser to Overcomer.
  • 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.260
  • - Okay.
  • 00:12:47.270 --> 00:12:49.130
  • - We just finished this and this is what it looks like.
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  • (music)
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  • - Lord call us to battle.
  • 00:12:52.290 --> 00:12:55.140
  • - You need to do your fightin' in prayer.
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  • - You've been a good enough father.
  • 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.000
  • - I don't want to be a good enough father.
  • 00:13:02.010 --> 00:13:03.220
  • (challenging music)
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  • - Something or someone will have first place in your heart.
  • 00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:16.020
  • But when you find your identity,
  • 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.020
  • the one who created you,
  • 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.000
  • will change your whole perspective.
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  • - What did you allow to define you?
  • 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.220
  • (dramatic music)
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  • - Your identity will be tied to whatever
  • 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:13.040
  • you give your heart to.
  • 00:14:13.050 --> 00:14:15.030
  • - Nice.
  • 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.030
  • I love it.
  • 00:14:20.290 --> 00:14:22.000
  • - So it's on identity.
  • 00:14:22.010 --> 00:14:23.150
  • And we say that the creator gets to define his creations.
  • 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:27.040
  • - Why identity?
  • 00:14:27.050 --> 00:14:28.060
  • Why that as a theme.
  • 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:29.090
  • I mean you've done marriage,
  • 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.120
  • you've done fatherhood parenting,
  • 00:14:30.130 --> 00:14:32.080
  • you've done prayer.
  • 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:33.150
  • - We really came out of a season of prayer,
  • 00:14:33.160 --> 00:14:35.240
  • as with all of our films.
  • 00:14:35.250 --> 00:14:37.050
  • And I was studying Ephesians 1-2
  • 00:14:37.060 --> 00:14:40.000
  • about identity crisis,
  • 00:14:40.010 --> 00:14:41.070
  • at the same time, Alex comes up with this idea
  • 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:44.140
  • that's tied to coach and a runner about identity.
  • 00:14:44.150 --> 00:14:48.020
  • And the more we were digging into it,
  • 00:14:48.030 --> 00:14:50.060
  • the more we realize this is an epic jugular vein issue.
  • 00:14:50.070 --> 00:14:53.270
  • Everybody deals with it.
  • 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:55.230
  • So, "Who you are", and " Who is God?"
  • 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.210
  • are two questions we all need to answer,
  • 00:14:58.220 --> 00:15:00.150
  • and those two are actually tied together.
  • 00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:02.250
  • We will not understand who we are until
  • 00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:04.100
  • we understand who He is.
  • 00:15:04.110 --> 00:15:05.270
  • I don't know that I'm loved until I realize he's loving
  • 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:08.130
  • or I'm forgiven until I realize he's gracious and forgiving.
  • 00:15:08.140 --> 00:15:11.060
  • So it runs deep and it's very foundational.
  • 00:15:11.070 --> 00:15:15.070
  • - And I have something equally as profound to say,
  • 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.020
  • but I need to do it over dessert.
  • 00:15:18.030 --> 00:15:19.210
  • - Oh, his winner's dessert.
  • 00:15:19.220 --> 00:15:21.280
  • (laughing)
  • 00:15:21.290 --> 00:15:23.050
  • - Alright.
  • 00:15:23.060 --> 00:15:24.000
  • - We can do it.
  • 00:15:24.010 --> 00:15:24.250
  • Let's go to the kitchen.
  • 00:15:24.260 --> 00:15:26.260
  • - Alright so I have, a,
  • 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:29.130
  • - Oh man, look at this.
  • 00:15:29.140 --> 00:15:30.230
  • - I have a few scoops of ice cream.
  • 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.130
  • What you just have this waiting
  • 00:15:32.140 --> 00:15:33.270
  • on your table like this when you show up for dinner?
  • 00:15:33.280 --> 00:15:36.180
  • - This is TV, things just magically happen.
  • 00:15:36.190 --> 00:15:38.190
  • - You can dig in.
  • 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.150
  • So identity.
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  • A lot of young people struggle with their identity.
  • 00:15:42.260 --> 00:15:45.050
  • And in the film, we have a young lady
  • 00:15:45.060 --> 00:15:47.100
  • that is trying to establish her identity
  • 00:15:47.110 --> 00:15:50.020
  • and learn who she is.
  • 00:15:50.030 --> 00:15:51.090
  • For older guys,
  • 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:52.180
  • they struggle with
  • 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:55.190
  • "What happens when what I'm known for is stripped away?"
  • 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.280
  • So we have a coach in the movie that,
  • 00:15:57.290 --> 00:16:01.020
  • loses his ball teams and like many guys
  • 00:16:02.140 --> 00:16:05.150
  • who put their identity in their job,
  • 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:07.200
  • when he loses his ball team he thinks he's headed
  • 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:10.030
  • for a state championship, he struggles with who he is.
  • 00:16:10.040 --> 00:16:13.170
  • "If I'm not a coach anymore"
  • 00:16:13.180 --> 00:16:14.290
  • - "Then who am I?"
  • 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.040
  • - "If I'm not successful anymore",
  • 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:17.160
  • so we talk about identity being established
  • 00:16:17.170 --> 00:16:19.160
  • in the right thing and then kept in the right order.
  • 00:16:19.170 --> 00:16:22.230
  • So you and I would say we're believers,
  • 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.290
  • but if that's fourth or fifth down the list
  • 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.050
  • and our job is in front of that and we lose our job,
  • 00:16:28.060 --> 00:16:31.080
  • well then you still struggle with who you are.
  • 00:16:31.090 --> 00:16:32.250
  • - Your testimony is really a testimony about identity.
  • 00:16:32.260 --> 00:16:36.260
  • For a while it was Mike Seaver, Kirk Cameron, Growing Pains
  • 00:16:36.270 --> 00:16:41.120
  • and then your identity shifts to who you are in Christ.
  • 00:16:41.130 --> 00:16:44.110
  • - I can't think of a better time for a topic like that
  • 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.210
  • to be discussed and taught on when people have no clue
  • 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:49.140
  • what their identity is.
  • 00:16:49.150 --> 00:16:50.090
  • - That's right.
  • 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:51.170
  • - I don't know who I am, I don't know what I am.
  • 00:16:51.180 --> 00:16:53.000
  • Hollywood's full of people
  • 00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:54.080
  • who are still trying to find themselves.
  • 00:16:54.090 --> 00:16:55.080
  • - That's right. - That's right.
  • 00:16:55.090 --> 00:16:56.170
  • - That's what we do out there.
  • 00:16:56.180 --> 00:16:57.160
  • - That's right.
  • 00:16:57.170 --> 00:16:58.230
  • - Look at it, you give them fame,
  • 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:59.260
  • and you give them money,
  • 00:16:59.270 --> 00:17:00.290
  • and they're more unstable.
  • 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:03.010
  • Why?
  • 00:17:03.020 --> 00:17:04.010
  • Why are they more unstable?
  • 00:17:04.020 --> 00:17:05.090
  • Because it doesn't fill that void of,
  • 00:17:05.100 --> 00:17:07.050
  • - A relationship with Christ.
  • 00:17:07.060 --> 00:17:08.270
  • - That's right. - That's right.
  • 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:10.110
  • - Now obviously you guys are incredible movie makers,
  • 00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:13.200
  • but I think that God gives a spirit of creativity
  • 00:17:13.210 --> 00:17:17.110
  • to different people in different ways.
  • 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:19.240
  • And so what would you say somebody who says
  • 00:17:19.250 --> 00:17:22.110
  • "I feel like a creative person,
  • 00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:23.210
  • but I don't know what my outlet is.
  • 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:26.030
  • I don't think I'm ever gonna make a movie.
  • 00:17:26.040 --> 00:17:28.250
  • Maybe I'll never be able to use this
  • 00:17:28.260 --> 00:17:31.120
  • in any kind of a positive constructive way."
  • 00:17:31.130 --> 00:17:34.090
  • What would you say to somebody like that?
  • 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:35.290
  • I would say first pray, and say "Lord here I am."
  • 00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:41.200
  • I'm gonna do Romans 12:1-2.
  • 00:17:41.210 --> 00:17:43.180
  • "Take my body, I'm presenting as a living sacrifice
  • 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:45.240
  • holy and acceptable unto you."
  • 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:47.070
  • He says when we do that
  • 00:17:47.080 --> 00:17:48.180
  • and we quit following the world,
  • 00:17:48.190 --> 00:17:50.030
  • He'll start revealing his good, pleasing
  • 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:52.050
  • and perfect world for our lives.
  • 00:17:52.060 --> 00:17:53.130
  • - Lord I'm available.
  • 00:17:53.140 --> 00:17:54.100
  • - That's right.
  • 00:17:54.110 --> 00:17:55.180
  • - Here I am, use me take me and use me.
  • 00:17:55.190 --> 00:17:57.060
  • - Secondly, I would serve.
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:17:59.070
  • Every time Jesus would step into a context
  • 00:17:59.080 --> 00:18:01.040
  • and a situation, Philippians two says
  • 00:18:01.050 --> 00:18:03.110
  • "He took upon himself the form of a servant."
  • 00:18:03.120 --> 00:18:05.130
  • And so he would step in,
  • 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:06.180
  • they're ignorant, he's teaching,
  • 00:18:06.190 --> 00:18:07.190
  • they're hungry, he's feeding,
  • 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.030
  • they're hurting, he's comforting,
  • 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:11.010
  • they're sick, he's healing.
  • 00:18:11.020 --> 00:18:12.220
  • In every situation he's stepping in
  • 00:18:12.230 --> 00:18:15.010
  • and being the hands and feet of God,
  • 00:18:15.020 --> 00:18:17.090
  • demonstrating the love of God in each context.
  • 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:20.090
  • And that's what he's called us to do.
  • 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:21.290
  • He's called each of us to step into a context
  • 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.280
  • saying "My life is not my own anymore.
  • 00:18:23.290 --> 00:18:25.280
  • I've been crucified with Christ,
  • 00:18:25.290 --> 00:18:27.040
  • dead with Christ,
  • 00:18:27.050 --> 00:18:28.050
  • raised with Christ.
  • 00:18:28.060 --> 00:18:29.190
  • I am here now to serve the Lord and to serve other people."
  • 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.280
  • It is in that context that when you're surrendered
  • 00:18:31.290 --> 00:18:34.030
  • and you're serving that the Lord will use your creativity
  • 00:18:34.040 --> 00:18:36.220
  • to meet needs and he'll begin to bless you and bear fruit
  • 00:18:36.230 --> 00:18:39.180
  • that's beyond something you could've done on your own.
  • 00:18:39.190 --> 00:18:42.060
  • - There's a part of that,
  • 00:18:42.070 --> 00:18:43.190
  • when you're serving, you're in humble position
  • 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.230
  • instead of just seeking the platform,
  • 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.070
  • seeking the limelight,
  • 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:50.070
  • feeding your ego.
  • 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:51.220
  • We would say if you're just trying
  • 00:18:51.230 --> 00:18:53.040
  • to get a platform and limelight your motives are wrong.
  • 00:18:53.050 --> 00:18:57.100
  • God can skill you to take a platform
  • 00:18:57.110 --> 00:18:59.220
  • and do it very effectively.
  • 00:18:59.230 --> 00:19:01.110
  • But what draws people to other people,
  • 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:03.100
  • when they're confident in who they are,
  • 00:19:03.110 --> 00:19:05.040
  • but they're humble in the process not arrogant.
  • 00:19:05.050 --> 00:19:07.180
  • - And serving others.
  • 00:19:07.190 --> 00:19:09.010
  • That's huge.
  • 00:19:09.020 --> 00:19:10.150
  • Hollywood, or Washington DC, or music industry,
  • 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:14.200
  • television industry, politics are filled with people who
  • 00:19:14.210 --> 00:19:17.000
  • are looking to making a name for themselves.
  • 00:19:17.010 --> 00:19:18.250
  • But what you're talking about is like,
  • 00:19:18.260 --> 00:19:20.110
  • "I'm surrendered, and I want to serve others."
  • 00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:23.090
  • And it's in that context that God raises you up
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  • and you can handle the platform it gives you
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  • because you know it's not about you.
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  • - That's exactly right.
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  • - That's exactly right.
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  • - And that's when it works.
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  • And I see that is the achilles heel for so many
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  • who are wildly talented,
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  • they can't handle it when they get there,
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  • because it's all about them, their identity's wrapped up,
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  • and they crumble.
  • 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:43.260
  • - So when young people come to us and say
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  • "I want a platform, I want to make my own movies",
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  • or whatever, we always ask,
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  • "Why? What's driving you to do that?"
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  • "I want to win an award,
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  • I want to be the next Steven Spielberg" or whatever.
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  • Okay, from a worldly perspective that may sound good,
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  • but if you're a believer and you're trying to honor God,
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  • why would God trust you with that if it's all about you?
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  • So we always ask
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  • "Can God trust you with what you're seeking?"
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  • Because he wants to trust those that will honor him,
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  • he wants to trust those with a lot of fruitfulness
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  • that will be faithful.
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  • A lot of introspection when we talk
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  • to these young film makers.
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  • Not that we have arrived, but we've learned
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  • it's so important to stay humble before the Lord.
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  • And that's when he wants to put his fingerprints
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  • all over your projects.
  • 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:29.160
  • - What would you consider your first
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  • and greatest responsibility at ministry?
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  • If you had to just take everything else
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  • off the table and say
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  • "This is what I can't afford to fail at", what would it be?
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  • - Walk with the Lord. - Yeah.
  • 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.060
  • - And then secondly marriage and family.
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  • - Be His son.
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  • Love Him.
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  • Be loved by Him.
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  • "Abide in Christ", as Jesus said in John 15.
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  • That's number one.
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  • All the fruit bearing, everything else we want to do
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  • in life is gonna flow out in that.
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  • But I'm a better husband and I'm more loving to my wife
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  • when I'm first tapped into the source of the Lord.
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  • If I put my wife first, or my children first,
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  • or my mission first, I am totally cart before the horse.
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  • And I'm gonna be trying to muscle it forward
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  • in my own wisdom, in my own understanding,
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  • in my own strength, and I'm gonna fail.
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  • But when I'm abiding in Him, walking with Him,
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  • staying clean and close with him,
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  • everything else flows out of that
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  • and it's so much more fun too.
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  • (laughing)
  • 00:21:23.290 --> 00:21:25.120
  • - Well that's such a good word of encouragement
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  • for people who are just trying to do the right thing
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  • and they're trying to do good things
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  • and they're just wearing themselves out.
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  • They're gonna land in the hospital.
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  • With too much stress.
  • 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.090
  • And you're saying it works better
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  • when I've got things right between me and God.
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  • Then everything else begins to fall into place.
  • 00:21:41.210 --> 00:21:44.070
  • - Jesus said
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  • "Come unto me all who are weary and heavy laden."
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  • And I think about believers that are weary and heavy laden.
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  • If we'll just focus in on lovin' on him
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  • and tapping into him, man,
  • 00:21:52.290 --> 00:21:54.070
  • Jesus said "Take my yoke upon you, learn from me
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  • and you'll find rest for your soul."
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  • Man, that is so true.
  • 00:21:59.070 --> 00:22:00.160
  • - And then God says in Jeremiah 29:13,
  • 00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:02.100
  • it's one of my favorite verses.
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  • "If you seek me you will find me
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  • if you seek me with all your heart."
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  • So he wants to be found, he's not hiding from us.
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  • He's not up there as a genie in a lamp saying
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  • "Here's your wishes and here's your wishes",
  • 00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:16.290
  • he's not about that because
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  • that makes the focus and glory on us.
  • 00:22:18.060 --> 00:22:21.130
  • He deserves glory.
  • 00:22:21.140 --> 00:22:22.260
  • He doesn't owe us anything, but yeah he loves us.
  • 00:22:22.270 --> 00:22:24.210
  • - I think about Hebrews 11:6, with that
  • 00:22:24.220 --> 00:22:26.260
  • "Without faith it's impossible to please God."
  • 00:22:26.270 --> 00:22:29.130
  • But we must believe that he is, and he lives,
  • 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:31.290
  • and that he's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.
  • 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.240
  • - That's right.
  • 00:22:34.250 --> 00:22:36.090
  • - So every day we should be diligently seeking him.
  • 00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:38.280
  • - And this just encourages me, this builds me up.
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  • That sense of identity can always be a constant in our life,
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  • and that's what I'm trying to teach my kids.
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  • And I gotta model it because,
  • 00:22:47.050 --> 00:22:49.150
  • kids are playing Follow the Leader.
  • 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:50.250
  • So, if they see dad modeling that,
  • 00:22:50.260 --> 00:22:53.030
  • they see mom modeling that,
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  • then our kids are gonna be so much more ahead of the game.
  • 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.080
  • - Kirk, you have been an encouragement to us
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  • the entire time we've known you.
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  • We love you as our brother in Christ,
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  • but also we've been very proud of you
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  • because not only did you step it up
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  • and do a great job we thought in Fireproof,
  • 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.240
  • but you leveraged that platform and have continued
  • 00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:12.070
  • with the other platform that you already had
  • 00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:14.110
  • to keep pointing people back into
  • 00:23:14.120 --> 00:23:15.260
  • a relationship with Christ.
  • 00:23:15.270 --> 00:23:17.050
  • And as you're growing, as you're studying,
  • 00:23:17.060 --> 00:23:19.080
  • as you're in God's word, as you're experiencing Him
  • 00:23:19.090 --> 00:23:21.170
  • on a daily basis, you're sharing with the body of Christ
  • 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:24.170
  • the things that God is teaching you.
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  • And so it has been a blessing to us to see you
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  • still out front championing for,
  • 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:30.260
  • man let's take our lives count for the glory of God.
  • 00:23:30.270 --> 00:23:34.050
  • - Keep going.
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  • - Yeah, keep going bro.
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  • - Let's do it.
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  • (laughing) - Let's do it.
  • 00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:39.020
  • - Maybe our next movie that we do together will be, like,
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  • Waterproof.
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  • Smokeproof.
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  • Fireplug.
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  • (laughing)
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • (smashing)
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  • (cheering)
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  • (bat clanging)
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  • - Way to go man.
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