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October 10, 2019
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  • - When I went to Yale and whatever,
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  • I was trying to figure out the meaning of life.
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  • Those places are so hostile to faith.
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  • I met a guy, and he's sharing Jesus with me,
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  • and I had this attitude like,
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  • don't get too close with that weird stuff.
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  • You guys are weird, I don't wanna become one of you,
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  • like part of the cult.
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  • (upbeat guitar music)
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  • - I'm Kirk Cameron,
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  • and I get to meet some pretty amazing people.
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  • These are people who totally inspire me
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  • with their hearts full of faith, character, and courage.
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  • They push their limits, they think outside the box
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  • and bravely use their gifts and talents to bless others.
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  • And today, we get to spend some time One on One.
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  • (peppy jazz music)
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  • You know, when things in the culture seem
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  • to be a little shaky, when the current political
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  • and social environment gets a little wacky,
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  • I look to people who are smarter than me
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  • and really have their finger
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  • on the pulse of what's going on.
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  • And one of my go-to cultural experts
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  • is my friend, Eric Metaxes.
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  • He's a nationally bestselling author,
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  • he's written amazing historical biographies
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  • on guys like Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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  • He's a pastor who stood up for the Jews
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  • and plotted to assassinate Hitler to end the Holocaust.
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  • And Martin Luther, who launched the reformation,
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  • and William Wilberforce, who led the charge
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  • to abolish slavery.
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  • He's also written all these great children's books,
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  • he's got a national radio program,
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  • and he speaks all over the world.
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  • I love hangin' out with him, and today,
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  • I wanna put his intelligence and quick wit to the test.
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  • - Well, feel free, because I'm right here.
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  • - Hey! - My friend!
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  • - How's it goin'?
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  • Good to see ya.
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  • - Now you didn't mention in all that stuff that I did
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  • that I'm also a yachting captain.
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  • - Clearly, I can see that, like the Love Boat.
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  • - Ahoy there!
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  • Yeah, this is gonna be fun.
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  • Thank you for letting me dress up.
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  • - This is perfect, you have no idea how perfect this is.
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  • Follow me. - Oh, oh yes I do.
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  • - Look at this.
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  • I'm gonna fire this up.
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  • - Now what made you think of taking me out on a boat,
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  • seriously, other than the fact
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  • that I dress like a yachtsman?
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  • - I figured, you're from Manhattan,
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  • and you're in the city all the time,
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  • and so I thought, wouldn't it be great
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  • just to hang out and relax on the water,
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  • we got a nice breeze here, in Southern California.
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  • It's always nice and cool,
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  • the temperature's perfect down here.
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  • - Can we go water skiing?
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  • - We can't do that. - If you knock this thing up,
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  • like just blow it out, see how fast it goes,
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  • then maybe I can get up on a couple of skis,
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  • and we can really have some fun.
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  • - You hungry?
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  • - Am I hungry? - Yeah.
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  • - Yeah, I'm always hungry. - Of course you're hungry.
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  • So Eric. - This is beautiful.
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  • - Clearly, anybody would agree, you're the smartest guy
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  • on this boat.
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  • You went to Yale, you wrote all these great books,
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  • Bonhoeffer, Luther, If You Can Keep It,
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  • were you sort of groomed to be this kinda guy,
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  • you know, just go the academic route
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  • and be the cultural commentator?
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  • Was that how your parents kind of,
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  • was that the path they put you on?
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  • - Not even close, no, absolutely not.
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  • I was raised in humble circumstances,
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  • my mom and dad are immigrants to the US.
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  • My dad came from Greece, my mom came from Germany.
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  • I'm the first person in my family to go to college,
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  • and very proud of that, and you know,
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  • proud, working class, immigrant upbringing,
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  • I certainly didn't think that I would be
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  • doing what I'm doing right now.
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  • And I did not have my Jesus freak, born again experience
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  • 'til around my 25th birthday, so my whole life,
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  • it's in God's hands, but I did not,
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  • and by the way, you know what?
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  • I should talk about my costume.
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  • This is a joke.
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  • I just thought, if we're going on a boat,
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  • I have to dress like we're going yachting.
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  • So I think that maybe, I'll just put on my normal glasses.
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  • And maybe I'll lose the double breasted jacket.
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  • Can you live with that.
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  • - You still look cool.
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  • - I did grow up in the Greek Orthodox Church,
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  • but I think the problem with, what I would call,
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  • ethnic Christianity or cultural Christianity,
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  • is a lot of times you don't get the guts.
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  • So I was a good kid, the Greek Orthodox community was a
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  • tremendously loving, warm, good community,
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  • but when I went to college, Yale University,
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  • those places are so hostile to faith
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  • and so hostile to heartland values and traditional values,
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  • whether of sexuality or of the unborn or all that stuff.
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  • You enter that environment as a kid,
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  • and saying like, okay, here I am.
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  • My parents didn't go to college,
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  • so tell me how to think, right?
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  • And before I knew it, I kinda drank that Kool-Aid,
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  • and I also realized that I had not been prepared
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  • in the church, like do I really believe
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  • Jesus rose from the dead?
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  • I mean, Greeks, we always say, (speaking foreign language)
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  • at Easter, we say we proclaim it, but I thought,
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  • do I believe that, I don't know.
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  • Is that just something we say or whatever?
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  • So I really began to doubt
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  • that what I
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  • thought was true, I kept thinking, do I even know?
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  • Have I even thought about it?
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  • So by the time I graduated, I was totally lost.
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  • And I think a lot of churches don't realize
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  • that you've gotta prepare young people to face hostility.
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  • And Yale is extremely hostile.
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  • Most of academia is very hostile,
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  • but Yale's at the top of the list,
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  • to serious Biblical faith.
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  • At some point, you have to figure out what is true.
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  • And I had a big wake up call around my 25th birthday.
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  • When I was 24 things got so bad.
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  • I wanted to be a writer, I graduated Yale,
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  • and I realized, I don't know what I'm doing with myself,
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  • so I was kind of floating around,
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  • and at some point, I was so lost,
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  • and I wasn't even making any money.
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  • You know what happens if you kind of float and flounder
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  • after college, do you know what happens?
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  • - No, I never went to college.
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  • - You end up moving back in with your parents.
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  • It's very embarrassing.
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  • And if your parents are European immigrants,
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  • who worked their tails off to put you through college,
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  • it's really embarrassing.
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  • It was a really harsh time for me,
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  • and that was when I became a Christian.
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  • Things were so painful, that for the first time in my life,
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  • I was really open
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  • to maybe the Jesus stuff.
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  • - Tell me the Jesus story.
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  • I wanna hear this, from a guy like you, who clearly is,
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  • you're a smart, thinking, intelligent person.
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  • What kinda Jesus story?
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  • I heard somethin' about a fish.
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  • - When I was living with my parents, that fateful year,
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  • it really was in agony.
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  • I've struggled with depression, I've been open about that,
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  • I've had serious problems with depression.
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  • And at this time in my life, not only did I have depression,
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  • but my circumstances were agony.
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  • I was in such pain that I met a guy,
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  • who starts sharing his faith with me.
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  • His name's Ed Tottle, and he's a graphic designer,
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  • and he probably could see that I was a little lost.
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  • So he befriended me, he's sharing Jesus with me,
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  • and I had this attitude like,
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  • don't get too close with that weird stuff.
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  • Like you guys are weird, I don't wanna become one of you,
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  • like part of the cult.
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  • But I was in enough pain, that I was like,
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  • well tell me a little more.
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  • So I was asking questions at the same time that I'm like,
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  • I don't wanna have a Bible study with you,
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  • I don't wanna go to church, but tell me more.
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  • So in my pain, over the course of a year,
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  • at some point he says, well why don't you
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  • ask God to reveal Himself to you?
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  • And I thought, well what does that even mean?
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  • Like I'm gonna pray, and I don't even know
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  • if I'm praying to the oxygen, or is there a God?
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  • But sometimes in my pain, as I'd go for runs or something
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  • near my parents' house, I would say, God, if you're there,
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  • reveal yourself, I need a sign.
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  • And one night,
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  • He gave me a sign.
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  • Actually, it was a dream.
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  • It was around my 25th birthday.
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  • If you broke my life up into three parts,
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  • you'd say, what's the most important thing in your life?
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  • Three things, being Greek, like that whole community
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  • and the Greek stuff or whatever.
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  • In fact, my father would always say,
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  • when he'd see a fish on the back of a car,
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  • he would always say (speaking foreign language)
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  • Jesus Christ, the Son of God, our Savior.
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  • (speaking foreign language) is fish.
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  • And the early Christians would use the fish symbol,
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  • because it was the acronym, Jesus Christ,
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  • the Son of God, our Savior.
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  • So every time my father would see a fish
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  • on the back of a car, the Greek stuff is so important
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  • to Greeks, that he was like, that's a Greek word,
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  • and he would explain to me that that's Jesus Christ,
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  • the Son of God, our Savior.
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  • So the Greek thing's really important.
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  • The second thing that's important to me,
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  • semi-ironically, is fishing.
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  • Growing up, when I was not studying or watching TV,
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  • watching a Dean Martin roast, I was fishing.
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  • That's my thing, right?
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  • The third thing that was important to me
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  • was the life of the mind.
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  • When I went to Yale and whatever,
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  • I was trying to figure out the meaning of life.
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  • But sort of from reading literature
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  • and a little Yung, a little Freud, a little bit,
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  • trying to figure out what is the meaning of life,
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  • because I was genuinely wanting to know,
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  • does life make sense?
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  • And I came up with this kind of new age concept
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  • of a frozen lake, right?
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  • And the ice on the frozen lake is the conscious mind.
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  • So this gets into Yung a little bit right,
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  • into Freud, right?
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  • The ice is the conscious mind, and the water
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  • beneath the ice is the unconscious
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  • or the collective unconscious, which Yung says is God.
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  • It's not God, but he says it's God.
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  • So I kinda thought, that's cool.
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  • Okay, so the goal of life is to drill through the ice,
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  • to touch the water, great, what does that mean?
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  • Nobody knows, it's a lot of gobbledy gook,
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  • but at the time, I was kinda tossing these ideas around.
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  • So one night, around my 25th birthday,
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  • I had a dream, and in the dream,
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  • I'm fishing on Candlewood Lake in Danbury, Connecticut,
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  • where I'd fished many times.
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  • Ice fishing, I'm ice fishing, I'm standing
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  • on the ice, it is a glorious winter day, bright blue sky,
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  • bright snow, ice, bright sun,
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  • and I look at the hole where we're ice fishing,
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  • and I see a fish pointing its snout out.
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  • And I look down, I go-- - This is in the dream?
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  • - In the dream. - It was in the dream.
  • 00:09:42.130 --> 00:09:43.200
  • - Yeah, this doesn't happen in real life.
  • 00:09:43.210 --> 00:09:45.080
  • And so I looked down, and I reached down in the dream,
  • 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:48.200
  • and I pick up the fish, and it's a pike or a pickerel,
  • 00:09:48.210 --> 00:09:51.200
  • and they have this kinda bronze coloring on the side,
  • 00:09:51.210 --> 00:09:54.080
  • and in the bright light of the sun,
  • 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:55.250
  • the bronze coloring on it looked golden.
  • 00:09:55.260 --> 00:09:58.090
  • And then I realized, in the dream,
  • 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.070
  • it doesn't look golden, it is golden.
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  • It's like a fairy tale, it is a living, golden fish.
  • 00:10:04.150 --> 00:10:08.230
  • And I'm holding it up, and suddenly I realize,
  • 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.160
  • in the dream, that God is one-upping me
  • 00:10:11.170 --> 00:10:15.020
  • with my own symbol system.
  • 00:10:15.030 --> 00:10:17.150
  • I realize in the dream, that God is saying to me,
  • 00:10:17.160 --> 00:10:20.080
  • you wanted to drill through the ice to touch inert water,
  • 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:24.010
  • to touch some kind of collective unconscious.
  • 00:10:24.020 --> 00:10:26.220
  • I wanna give you something better.
  • 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:28.120
  • I wanna give you my Son, your Savior, Jesus Christ.
  • 00:10:28.130 --> 00:10:32.160
  • (speaking foreign language), the fish.
  • 00:10:32.170 --> 00:10:34.050
  • And I'm holding it up, and I realize that this golden fish
  • 00:10:34.060 --> 00:10:37.200
  • is Jesus in this fairy tale dream that I'm in,
  • 00:10:37.210 --> 00:10:42.020
  • and I know in the dream that this is real.
  • 00:10:42.030 --> 00:10:45.100
  • I know in the dream that Jesus is giving me this gift
  • 00:10:45.110 --> 00:10:50.040
  • of Himself and of the knowledge,
  • 00:10:50.050 --> 00:10:52.130
  • and He's speaking the language that only makes sense to me.
  • 00:10:52.140 --> 00:10:55.280
  • If anybody else had this dream, they'd just be like,
  • 00:10:55.290 --> 00:10:57.220
  • they'd roll over and go back to sleep.
  • 00:10:57.230 --> 00:10:59.040
  • But I knew that this was-- - You knew this
  • 00:10:59.050 --> 00:11:01.220
  • just wasn't bad pizza.
  • 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:03.050
  • - This was the best kinda pizza ever.
  • 00:11:03.060 --> 00:11:05.130
  • Honestly, I knew in the dream, my journey is over,
  • 00:11:06.260 --> 00:11:11.070
  • my search is over, God has given me the gift of Himself.
  • 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.230
  • Like it just was so mind blowing to me.
  • 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.260
  • And in the dream, I was filled with joy.
  • 00:11:19.270 --> 00:11:22.130
  • It's real, it's true, Jesus is real.
  • 00:11:22.140 --> 00:11:25.120
  • I was absolutely changed, instantly.
  • 00:11:25.130 --> 00:11:28.230
  • And the next day, I went to work,
  • 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.080
  • and I told my friend, Ed Tuttle, about this dream.
  • 00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:31.230
  • He's like, well what does it mean, what happened?
  • 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:32.290
  • And I said to him,
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  • words that I would never have said before.
  • 00:11:34.050 --> 00:11:35.260
  • I said,
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:37.040
  • I have accepted Jesus.
  • 00:11:37.050 --> 00:11:40.010
  • This is freaky,
  • 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:42.180
  • real, true story. - That is so cool.
  • 00:11:42.190 --> 00:11:44.050
  • That is so cool.
  • 00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:44.250
  • that seems to be leading people away from faith in God.
  • 00:11:47.210 --> 00:11:51.140
  • In America, we're drifting, our moorings are no longer there
  • 00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:56.120
  • in terms of our faith.
  • 00:11:56.130 --> 00:11:57.210
  • And has that put us in a dangerous situation?
  • 00:11:57.220 --> 00:11:59.160
  • - Well, the answer is yes, we are drifting, no pun intended.
  • 00:11:59.170 --> 00:12:02.280
  • We're drifting away from God.
  • 00:12:02.290 --> 00:12:05.140
  • And there is no place
  • 00:12:05.150 --> 00:12:08.130
  • that we can be except
  • 00:12:08.140 --> 00:12:09.280
  • in a dangerous situation, if you're drifting away from God.
  • 00:12:09.290 --> 00:12:12.070
  • First of all, we gotta understand, historically speaking,
  • 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.030
  • let's not pretend that there's some Halcyon past,
  • 00:12:15.040 --> 00:12:17.110
  • where everybody was in love with Jesus and whatever.
  • 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.180
  • There's waxing and waning of faith in different cultures.
  • 00:12:19.190 --> 00:12:24.090
  • And yes, in America, there have been extraordinary moments
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  • of faith, I mean, I would say that the founding,
  • 00:12:27.050 --> 00:12:29.250
  • most of the founders, had some kind of serious faith.
  • 00:12:29.260 --> 00:12:33.200
  • They weren't all theologically orthodox Christians,
  • 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:35.250
  • but even Franklin and Jefferson understood
  • 00:12:35.260 --> 00:12:39.260
  • that without a robust expression of faith,
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  • probably some kind of Christian faith,
  • 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.150
  • you cannot have self-government.
  • 00:12:44.160 --> 00:12:46.060
  • That's amazing, because people,
  • 00:12:46.070 --> 00:12:48.210
  • not only aren't they teaching that in the schools,
  • 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:50.260
  • but they are actively teaching against that.
  • 00:12:50.270 --> 00:12:52.290
  • If you start talking about virtue and faith
  • 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.170
  • and the founding, people their eyes glaze over
  • 00:12:55.180 --> 00:12:57.200
  • or they run away, because they can't handle it.
  • 00:12:57.210 --> 00:12:59.240
  • They basically, it makes them uncomfortable.
  • 00:12:59.250 --> 00:13:01.120
  • So, yes, since the '60s, I would say,
  • 00:13:01.130 --> 00:13:04.060
  • we have been moving strongly away from that,
  • 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:06.190
  • and we're paying the price.
  • 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:07.260
  • We sowed the wind, we're reaping the whirlwind.
  • 00:13:07.270 --> 00:13:10.070
  • - What're you working on right now?
  • 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:11.080
  • - I have a new book coming out,
  • 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.150
  • which is basically the story that I just told you.
  • 00:13:13.160 --> 00:13:16.120
  • It's the story of my life.
  • 00:13:16.130 --> 00:13:18.210
  • In my Miracles book, I give the short version of that,
  • 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:21.140
  • but I really thought that writing a spiritual autobiography,
  • 00:13:21.150 --> 00:13:24.080
  • like a spiritual memoir, it was something I wanted to do,
  • 00:13:24.090 --> 00:13:26.160
  • because there's so much in my life,
  • 00:13:26.170 --> 00:13:28.170
  • which I think is just very entertaining.
  • 00:13:28.180 --> 00:13:30.110
  • I mean, I didn't make it up.
  • 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.250
  • But I mean, growing up in this Greek environment
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:36.040
  • and feeling, because my mom's German,
  • 00:13:36.050 --> 00:13:38.080
  • like I don't really belong, like I'm always a fish
  • 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:39.150
  • out of water, you know?
  • 00:13:39.160 --> 00:13:41.080
  • And then, going to Yale, and then feeling like,
  • 00:13:42.130 --> 00:13:46.160
  • I'm kind of a working class kid at Yale,
  • 00:13:46.170 --> 00:13:49.080
  • so again, I feel sort of like a fish out of water.
  • 00:13:49.090 --> 00:13:51.190
  • And then graduating, and then becoming a born again believer
  • 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.270
  • and then feeling like, wow,
  • 00:13:54.280 --> 00:13:56.100
  • all my Yale friends are gonna reject me,
  • 00:13:56.110 --> 00:13:57.230
  • now I really feel like fish outta water.
  • 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.290
  • - Everything comes back to a
  • 00:14:00.020 --> 00:14:01.160
  • nautical theme doesn't it? - Everything comes back
  • 00:14:01.170 --> 00:14:02.200
  • to the golden fish, yes.
  • 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:04.010
  • And of course, you know Jesus told Peter,
  • 00:14:04.020 --> 00:14:06.280
  • that we're gonna be fishers of men.
  • 00:14:06.290 --> 00:14:08.050
  • So the title of my book is Fish Out of Water.
  • 00:14:08.060 --> 00:14:11.280
  • - I'm so excited about that kinda thing,
  • 00:14:11.290 --> 00:14:13.140
  • and I think we need books like this in the culture.
  • 00:14:13.150 --> 00:14:15.060
  • I think we need people who can speak the language
  • 00:14:15.070 --> 00:14:18.140
  • of academia and intelligence, because you know,
  • 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:21.070
  • like we were talking earlier, so much of the faith culture
  • 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.260
  • is often characterized as being this mindless sorta stuff.
  • 00:14:24.270 --> 00:14:27.210
  • Oh you just sort of close your eyes
  • 00:14:27.220 --> 00:14:28.270
  • and believe in fairy tales.
  • 00:14:28.280 --> 00:14:30.050
  • But clearly you're not in that camp,
  • 00:14:30.060 --> 00:14:32.080
  • and I don't believe that I'm in that camp either.
  • 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:34.130
  • - Believing in the Christian faith takes less faith
  • 00:14:34.140 --> 00:14:37.170
  • than not believing it.
  • 00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:39.020
  • People who say it's nonsense, they're afraid of the truth.
  • 00:14:39.030 --> 00:14:43.020
  • 'Cause the truth my require something of you.
  • 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:45.000
  • And usually we kinda think,
  • 00:14:45.010 --> 00:14:46.140
  • oh it's gonna make me do something I don't wanna do.
  • 00:14:46.150 --> 00:14:48.130
  • I'm not gonna sleep with my boyfriend or girlfriend.
  • 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:50.160
  • I don't want that, I'm just gonna ignore it
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:52.050
  • and pretend that, hey, I've got all these questions
  • 00:14:52.060 --> 00:14:55.030
  • or whatever, but I'll tell you what,
  • 00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:56.260
  • the facts point to the God of the Bible.
  • 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.010
  • Don't let anybody tell you you've gotta check your brain
  • 00:15:01.020 --> 00:15:03.130
  • at the door.
  • 00:15:03.140 --> 00:15:04.210
  • On the contrary, the fact point to that.
  • 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:07.120
  • And I only think that we live in a culture
  • 00:15:07.130 --> 00:15:09.100
  • where you hardly ever bump into those facts.
  • 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:11.090
  • So you don't normally have to deal with that,
  • 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:13.230
  • but I feel like it's part of my calling from God
  • 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.100
  • to help people see this is the information that is real.
  • 00:15:16.110 --> 00:15:20.190
  • You probably didn't learn this in school,
  • 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:21.260
  • you'll never see it on TV, but you need to know
  • 00:15:21.270 --> 00:15:24.230
  • that if you're interested in believing in God,
  • 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.070
  • the facts are more pointing to the God of the Bible
  • 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.260
  • and to the resurrection of Jesus,
  • 00:15:28.270 --> 00:15:30.100
  • all the stuff that I thought there's no evidence for,
  • 00:15:30.110 --> 00:15:32.020
  • on the contrary, there's so much evidence for it,
  • 00:15:32.030 --> 00:15:35.000
  • that I would say the onus is on people who don't believe it
  • 00:15:35.010 --> 00:15:37.280
  • to tell me why.
  • 00:15:37.290 --> 00:15:39.070
  • - Eric, if you could give
  • 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.250
  • the 20-year-old version of yourself some advice,
  • 00:15:43.010 --> 00:15:45.140
  • what would you say to the young Eric Metaxes?
  • 00:15:46.270 --> 00:15:48.230
  • - That is easy.
  • 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.230
  • Get a haircut!
  • 00:15:51.020 --> 00:15:52.080
  • Tuck your shirt, tuck your shirt in!
  • 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:55.070
  • Okay seriously, what would I give my 20-year-old?
  • 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.280
  • I think that it's the same thing
  • 00:15:57.290 --> 00:16:00.060
  • that I wanna say to everybody.
  • 00:16:00.070 --> 00:16:01.200
  • The God of the Bible is real.
  • 00:16:04.230 --> 00:16:06.140
  • More real than any other reality you could ever think of.
  • 00:16:07.290 --> 00:16:12.100
  • It is intellectually explainable.
  • 00:16:12.110 --> 00:16:15.220
  • Now, you can't get there by intellect alone.
  • 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:18.070
  • The Holy Spirit, God has to break through,
  • 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.130
  • but He's real.
  • 00:16:21.140 --> 00:16:23.200
  • Jesus really was God incarnate, in history,
  • 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:27.190
  • and did die for you because He loves you.
  • 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.200
  • That is real, that wasn't for humanity, that was for you.
  • 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:33.180
  • He loves your personally.
  • 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:35.210
  • And the only appropriate response to that kind of love
  • 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:39.140
  • is to turn your life over to him and say,
  • 00:16:39.150 --> 00:16:42.070
  • how can I serve you, you who died for me,
  • 00:16:43.130 --> 00:16:46.010
  • you who loved me with everything you have?
  • 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:48.070
  • I do wanna challenge people.
  • 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.200
  • I mean, it's also why I wrote my Miracles book, right?
  • 00:16:49.210 --> 00:16:51.240
  • I thought, if you dare to read this,
  • 00:16:51.250 --> 00:16:55.040
  • you tell me what you think explains this.
  • 00:16:55.050 --> 00:16:59.040
  • I swear, I don't think, a lot of people do not have the guts
  • 00:16:59.050 --> 00:17:02.140
  • to do that, so that's why I do what I do.
  • 00:17:02.150 --> 00:17:04.120
  • It's why I write what I write,
  • 00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:05.250
  • it's why I speak where I speak and do my radio program,
  • 00:17:05.260 --> 00:17:08.160
  • 'cause I fell like there are people out there who are hungry
  • 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:11.130
  • and I wanna give them something to feed them.
  • 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:15.100
  • - I'm so glad that you do what you do.
  • 00:17:15.110 --> 00:17:16.180
  • I'm so grateful for you, and what could be better
  • 00:17:16.190 --> 00:17:19.200
  • than hangin' out with Eric Metaxes out on the water?
  • 00:17:19.210 --> 00:17:22.030
  • (Eric laughs)
  • 00:17:22.040 --> 00:17:23.210
  • In Southern California. - This is pretty sweet.
  • 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:25.110
  • - I know what could be better.
  • 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:26.250
  • - Yeah? - I wanna put
  • 00:17:26.260 --> 00:17:28.250
  • all of your thinking powers to the test.
  • 00:17:28.260 --> 00:17:31.230
  • I got a little activity for us,
  • 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:32.260
  • but we gotta get off this boat.
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:33.270
  • I'm startin' to get seasick.
  • 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:35.050
  • - An activity? - Yeah.
  • 00:17:35.060 --> 00:17:36.290
  • It'll be so fun. - Why am I scared?
  • 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:38.160
  • Why am I scared? - You're gonna love this.
  • 00:17:38.170 --> 00:17:40.180
  • - [Eric] I'm scared, I hate activities.
  • 00:17:40.190 --> 00:17:42.290
  • (mellow jazz music)
  • 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.000
  • - Hi. - Hi, welcome.
  • 00:18:11.110 --> 00:18:12.120
  • - How's it goin', I'm Kirk.
  • 00:18:12.130 --> 00:18:13.100
  • - Nice to meet you. Brandon.
  • 00:18:13.110 --> 00:18:14.180
  • - Whoa, I just stepped on a clue, I think.
  • 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:16.180
  • - Holy cow.
  • 00:18:16.190 --> 00:18:17.250
  • Yikes, this place gives me the spooks.
  • 00:18:17.260 --> 00:18:20.200
  • Eric. How you doin'? - Nice to meet you.
  • 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:21.220
  • I'm Brandon. - This is cool.
  • 00:18:21.230 --> 00:18:22.170
  • What's this called?
  • 00:18:22.180 --> 00:18:23.230
  • - This is called The Mermaid's Curse.
  • 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.060
  • - The Mermaid's Curse. - Aren't curses a bad thing?
  • 00:18:25.070 --> 00:18:26.170
  • - Oh it's a terrible thing.
  • 00:18:26.180 --> 00:18:27.250
  • You'll be lucky to escape here alive.
  • 00:18:27.260 --> 00:18:28.250
  • - Incredible, thank you.
  • 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:30.100
  • - So you have an hour to escape.
  • 00:18:31.120 --> 00:18:32.290
  • We have to get you through a whole bunch of puzzles.
  • 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.050
  • Only at the end of solving all of those puzzles,
  • 00:18:36.060 --> 00:18:38.020
  • are you going to find the way to escape this room.
  • 00:18:38.030 --> 00:18:40.160
  • The first thing I would recommend you guys do,
  • 00:18:40.170 --> 00:18:43.090
  • is stop the screaming.
  • 00:18:43.100 --> 00:18:45.030
  • (tenuous instrumental music) Good luck.
  • 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:46.270
  • - Thank you.
  • 00:18:46.280 --> 00:18:47.280
  • - Stop the screaming? - Yikes!
  • 00:18:47.290 --> 00:18:50.240
  • What do we do now? (Kirk laughs)
  • 00:18:50.250 --> 00:18:52.200
  • - We're in this thing. (Eric laughs)
  • 00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:54.280
  • - [Eric] What did he say, wait what did he say?
  • 00:18:54.290 --> 00:18:56.110
  • He said that the guy stole some of the mermaid's treasure,
  • 00:18:56.120 --> 00:18:59.180
  • right? (mechanical screaming)
  • 00:18:59.190 --> 00:19:03.070
  • Oh that's the first. - That's the screaming
  • 00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:04.110
  • we gotta stop. (mechanical screaming)
  • 00:19:04.120 --> 00:19:07.160
  • Wait, did he? - Yeah, that's the first,
  • 00:19:07.170 --> 00:19:08.220
  • he said, try to stop the screaming.
  • 00:19:08.230 --> 00:19:10.150
  • (mechanical screaming) What if I don't care
  • 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:11.170
  • about the screaming? - Wait.
  • 00:19:11.180 --> 00:19:12.240
  • It's funny, 'cause it started screaming
  • 00:19:12.250 --> 00:19:13.290
  • as soon as I opened this thing up.
  • 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:14.230
  • (mechanical screaming)
  • 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.210
  • Yeah, you see anything? - Here's like books.
  • 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:19.080
  • Maybe we're supposed to look and see what the books say.
  • 00:19:19.090 --> 00:19:21.170
  • The Secret Witness, ah these are under--
  • 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:23.220
  • - Eric, I don't feel like we're making much progress.
  • 00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:26.020
  • - [Eric] I don't know,
  • 00:19:26.030 --> 00:19:27.090
  • I think we may have to ask for a clue.
  • 00:19:27.100 --> 00:19:28.240
  • - You know what, I wouldn't be opposed to doing that,
  • 00:19:28.250 --> 00:19:30.290
  • to get us thinking in the right way.
  • 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.160
  • - I think, yeah a child wouldn't have cried.
  • 00:19:32.170 --> 00:19:35.080
  • So probably would say, we need magic voice.
  • 00:19:35.090 --> 00:19:38.220
  • (electronic roaring)
  • 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:40.090
  • - [Pirate] How go you there, main land lovers?
  • 00:19:40.100 --> 00:19:43.230
  • - Yeah that's us.
  • 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.080
  • - [Pirate] Oh good, allow me to introduce myself.
  • 00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:47.080
  • I be the poor, unfortunate skeleton you see,
  • 00:19:47.090 --> 00:19:49.100
  • hangin' before ya.
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  • Please, whatever you do, stop that screaming.
  • 00:19:50.170 --> 00:19:53.140
  • On the steering wheel, that always did the trick
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  • to drive her away.
  • 00:19:55.120 --> 00:19:56.120
  • - So we stopped the screaming.
  • 00:19:58.030 --> 00:19:59.100
  • Did that give us one of the four numbers?
  • 00:19:59.110 --> 00:20:02.030
  • To get outta the, no. - I don't think so.
  • 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:03.190
  • We're just dead in the water.
  • 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.030
  • No pun intended.
  • 00:20:05.040 --> 00:20:06.170
  • Can we raise our hands? - Yeah, let's say it again.
  • 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:07.230
  • - [Pirate] Land lovers, are you here to sign on
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  • to be my new crew?
  • 00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:11.220
  • - Yes. - Yes.
  • 00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:13.060
  • - [Pirate] Oh good, because my last one washed away.
  • 00:20:13.070 --> 00:20:14.230
  • Well then, it's fair I tell ya,
  • 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.080
  • the treasure evenly amongst ya.
  • 00:20:16.090 --> 00:20:18.160
  • Do you see my treasure chest down here?
  • 00:20:18.170 --> 00:20:20.220
  • - Sure!
  • 00:20:20.230 --> 00:20:21.180
  • Holy guacamole, we're rich! - Look at this.
  • 00:20:22.260 --> 00:20:25.250
  • - And by rich I mean, loaded with trinkets.
  • 00:20:25.260 --> 00:20:30.190
  • Holy guacamole, some kind of a ...
  • 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.010
  • Look at this, this is for a map.
  • 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:38.030
  • 360, 60.
  • 00:20:38.040 --> 00:20:40.050
  • - On one condition, friendship.
  • 00:20:42.020 --> 00:20:42.260
  • - I have a funny feeling
  • 00:20:42.270 --> 00:20:44.040
  • we're gonna have to raise our hands again.
  • 00:20:44.050 --> 00:20:45.200
  • - I'm feelin' that way too. - Right?
  • 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:46.280
  • We've come to a dead end. - Yeah.
  • 00:20:46.290 --> 00:20:49.170
  • - [Parrot] Squawk open the desk.
  • 00:20:49.180 --> 00:20:51.040
  • - Open the desk, yes! - Open the desk.
  • 00:20:51.050 --> 00:20:52.150
  • - Suddenly, we've unlocked the desk.
  • 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.010
  • - Oh we've unlocked the desk! - Oh my, desk!
  • 00:20:54.020 --> 00:20:56.110
  • Look, look at this.
  • 00:20:56.120 --> 00:20:57.240
  • - Hey here's, quick let's get our notes.
  • 00:20:57.250 --> 00:21:01.220
  • - Longitude. - Let's get our notes.
  • 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:03.010
  • - And latitude, you sons of guns here.
  • 00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:06.050
  • Kirk, it's so simple, even a child could do it.
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  • 360,
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  • 60.
  • 00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:16.160
  • - That's all of 'em? - We solved it.
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.160
  • Unless, let's wait a minute.
  • 00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:20.200
  • There's a light.
  • 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:21.290
  • Something we're missing here, we looked in here.
  • 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.220
  • - Uh oh, could be interesting. - Right?
  • 00:21:24.230 --> 00:21:27.270
  • - Pipe in a bottle and a bottle.
  • 00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:29.280
  • Do you think the skeleton smokes?
  • 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.280
  • - [Eric] Let's give it a shot.
  • 00:21:35.290 --> 00:21:37.030
  • - [Skeleton] I quit two years ago.
  • 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:39.040
  • - Oh, he quit two years ago. - Oh.
  • 00:21:39.050 --> 00:21:41.060
  • - [Kirk] Wait, wait, we have four.
  • 00:21:43.020 --> 00:21:44.170
  • - [Eric] You know what, that's a one and a seven.
  • 00:21:44.180 --> 00:21:46.120
  • Wouldn't you think-- - There is one right here.
  • 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:49.050
  • - What's that gonna do? - I don't know.
  • 00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:52.200
  • It might give us a clue, maybe.
  • 00:21:52.210 --> 00:21:53.260
  • Maybe it's a clue he gives us.
  • 00:21:53.270 --> 00:21:55.250
  • - Could be seven times after six, there you go.
  • 00:21:55.260 --> 00:21:58.200
  • - Oh, look at that, oh! - Alright, lucky break!
  • 00:21:58.210 --> 00:22:00.230
  • Unlock it, what is this?
  • 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.070
  • Maybe there's a way to use this to get something.
  • 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:04.050
  • Uh oh.
  • 00:22:04.060 --> 00:22:05.100
  • Uh, uh, oh!
  • 00:22:05.110 --> 00:22:06.110
  • - The key!
  • 00:22:06.120 --> 00:22:07.290
  • The key! (laughs)
  • 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.090
  • This is great.
  • 00:22:10.100 --> 00:22:11.120
  • It's not going in. (Eric humming)
  • 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.080
  • Maybe this one, maybe this one.
  • 00:22:14.090 --> 00:22:17.070
  • (Eric humming) Yes, yes, yes!
  • 00:22:17.080 --> 00:22:20.040
  • (Eric humming) Yes.
  • 00:22:20.050 --> 00:22:22.210
  • Aww, look at this, we're gettin' somewhere now.
  • 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:25.030
  • - We've probably not got that much time left.
  • 00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:27.030
  • - Oy.
  • 00:22:27.040 --> 00:22:28.100
  • - [Pirate] You're be awoke the mermaid.
  • 00:22:28.110 --> 00:22:29.280
  • - I woke up the mermaid. - You woke up the mermaid?
  • 00:22:29.290 --> 00:22:31.240
  • Is that good or bad?
  • 00:22:31.250 --> 00:22:32.180
  • - [Pirate] Bad!
  • 00:22:32.190 --> 00:22:34.020
  • - It's bad?
  • 00:22:34.030 --> 00:22:35.150
  • Well then, we're awfully sorry, it won't happen again.
  • 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:38.260
  • - [Pirate] You woke the curse, she's comin' to kill ya.
  • 00:22:38.270 --> 00:22:40.290
  • - She's coming to kill us.
  • 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.100
  • Oh look, look at this, look at this.
  • 00:22:42.110 --> 00:22:44.000
  • - Are you serious? - Look, look.
  • 00:22:44.010 --> 00:22:45.130
  • We're movin' somethin' here. (mechanical screaming)
  • 00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:47.120
  • - You stay there, and I'm gonna tell you what you're doin'
  • 00:22:47.130 --> 00:22:49.190
  • when I look in here, okay?
  • 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.190
  • It's called teamwork. - Oh!
  • 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.010
  • Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, I see something.
  • 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.230
  • - [Eric] You're supposed to put the magnet on there.
  • 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.210
  • - This is awesome, this is awesome.
  • 00:22:58.220 --> 00:23:00.080
  • - [Eric] You better hurry up now.
  • 00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:02.220
  • - Oh! - Oh, you son of a gun!
  • 00:23:02.230 --> 00:23:05.120
  • - Oh you son of gun, it's workin'.
  • 00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:08.000
  • - Oh my gosh. - Look at this.
  • 00:23:08.010 --> 00:23:09.280
  • - I can't believe this. - Look at this!
  • 00:23:09.290 --> 00:23:11.080
  • Go back to one of these other ones over here.
  • 00:23:11.090 --> 00:23:13.160
  • - Enter, O seeker of knowledge.
  • 00:23:14.150 --> 00:23:16.250
  • - (laughing) This is great!
  • 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:21.110
  • - Is this 1951?
  • 00:23:21.120 --> 00:23:22.230
  • Nope.
  • 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.110
  • Guess what? - What?
  • 00:23:27.080 --> 00:23:28.250
  • Are these letters? - These are letters.
  • 00:23:28.260 --> 00:23:30.230
  • - Ooh, come on. - No, no, no, no,
  • 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.000
  • here, here, here.
  • 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:33.210
  • - Oh!
  • 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:35.080
  • - Yes!
  • 00:23:35.090 --> 00:23:36.040
  • - Holy guacamo, it's a piece of a flag.
  • 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.140
  • What're you doing?
  • 00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:42.290
  • - Oh look at that, look at that, look at that.
  • 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.100
  • Oh,
  • 00:23:45.110 --> 00:23:46.280
  • we did it!
  • 00:23:46.290 --> 00:23:48.130
  • - [Brandon] We have two minutes and seven seconds.
  • 00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:49.110
  • - Yes, yes, yay! - We did it!
  • 00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:51.120
  • - [Brandon] Did you guys have fun?
  • 00:23:51.130 --> 00:23:52.070
  • - That is amazing.
  • 00:23:52.080 --> 00:23:53.130
  • - That was amazing. - Yes, we did have fun.
  • 00:23:53.140 --> 00:23:55.030
  • - That was so fun. - I had fun.
  • 00:23:55.040 --> 00:23:57.020
  • I hardly ever have fun. (peppy guitar music)
  • 00:23:57.030 --> 00:23:58.270
  • I can't believe it.
  • 00:23:58.280 --> 00:23:59.230
  • - That was awesome.
  • 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.090
  • - With two minutes to spare. - Two minutes
  • 00:24:01.100 --> 00:24:03.010
  • and seven seconds.
  • 00:24:03.020 --> 00:24:04.170
  • - Believing in the Christian faith takes less faith
  • 00:24:17.080 --> 00:24:20.090
  • than not believing it.
  • 00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:21.240
  • People who say it's nonsense, they're afraid of the truth,
  • 00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:25.240
  • 'cause the truth may require something of you.
  • 00:24:25.250 --> 00:24:27.190
  • (inspirational orchestra music)
  • 00:24:29.150 --> 00:24:30.120