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February 9, 2017
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Episode 15

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  • - Emma Mullings:
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  • Hi, I'm Emma Mullings.
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  • - Tim Douglass:
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  • And I'm Tim Douglass.
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  • - Emma: We're coming to you
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  • with an hour-long show
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  • of everything that's happening
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  • - Steve McPherson: You know
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  • what someone to me while
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  • you were preaching last night?
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  • "Chris has the same haircut
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  • as Joel Houston."
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  • - Mel Wade: [laughing]
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  • [crosstalk]
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  • - Christine Caine: I wash mine.
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  • - Mel: Yeah.
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  • - Steve: That's exactly
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  • what I said.
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  • - John Burns: Sex is
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  • a celebration of love.
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  • Love should come first.
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  • So the typical thing today,
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  • where, "If you love me,
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  • you'll prove it,"
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  • and for any young lady
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  • that hears that from a guy,
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  • my advice is slap him.
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  • - Niyah Rahmaan: Yes.
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  • - Christine: I don't know
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  • why we keep blaming politicians
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  • for being politicians,
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  • why we keep blaming the media
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  • for being the media.
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  • That's what they are.
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  • We are the church, not them.
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  • We are commissioned
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  • to take Jesus to a lost
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  • and a broken world.
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  • That is the whole mandate
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  • Sing louder
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  • Proclaiming freedom for all
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  • This is the day of the Lord
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  • Beauty for ashes
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  • - Emma: Well, revelation is
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  • absolutely hilarious, and it's
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  • been 30 years of revelation,
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  • actually.
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  • And we're not talking about
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  • Revelation from the Bible.
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  • No, we aren't.
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  • - Tim: [laughing]
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  • - Emma: Have a look
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  • - Phil Dooley: Do we have
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  • an American here?
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  • - male: Yes, yes.
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  • Hello, to your right.
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  • Phil.
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  • - Phil: Yes.
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  • I'm up here.
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  • Hello.
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  • Point, everyone.
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  • - male:
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  • is over here.
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  • - Phil: Everyone point.
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  • - male:
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  • No, a bit to your right.
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  • Turn around.
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  • - Phil: Point to Tyler.
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  • - male: Point to--hello.
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  • - male: There he is!
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  • - male: Where's Tyler?
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  • - male: Here we are.
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  • Here we are.
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  • - male: Oh, there's Tyler.
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  • - male: Yes.
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  • - Tyler: Well, I'm over here.
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  • And we did this last year,
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  • as you might remember,
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  • with a girl named Beck.
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  • And as coincidence has happened,
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  • I've found her again this year.
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  • So, could you please stand up?
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  • Beck, who hails from California,
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  • the Sunshine State.
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  • So if you're American in this
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  • place, would you please stand
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  • as we sing--
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  • - Phil: Happy 4th of July.
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  • - male: Yes.
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  • - Tyler: The American anthem.
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  • Yes, it was the 4th of July
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  • on Monday.
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  • - Phil: For the 4th of July--
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  • - Tyler: Here we go.
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  • Take it away.
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  • O say can you see
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  • by the dawn's early light
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  • what so proudly we hailed
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  • at the twilight's
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  • last gleaming
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  • whose broad stripes
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  • and bright stars
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  • through the perilous fight
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  • o'er the ramparts
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  • we watched
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  • were so gallantly streaming
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  • And the rockets' red glare
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  • the bombs bursting in air
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  • - male: I've got shivers.
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  • - male: I've got goosebumps.
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  • Gave proof
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  • through the night
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  • that our flag
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  • was still there
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  • O say does that
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  • star-spangled banner
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  • yet wave
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  • o'er the land of the free
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  • - Phil: Wow!
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  • Straight to the top!
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  • - male: God bless America.
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  • - male: Wow!
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  • - Emma: Coming up
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  • - John: I think sex
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  • is the physical, emotional,
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  • spiritual celebration of love.
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  • And love is not a feeling.
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  • Love is a commitment.
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  • Love doesn't start today
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  • and end tomorrow.
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  • Love's a commitment that
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  • goes for the rest of your life.
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  • That's where marriage comes in.
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  • Marriage is the commitment to
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  • love somebody more and more
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  • and more until death do us part.
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  • It's a huge commitment.
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  • - Niyah: I am joined by none
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  • other than John and Helen Burns
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  • from Relate Church
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  • in Vancouver, Canada,
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  • who are actually part
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  • of another show called
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  • "Sex, Love & Relationships."
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  • Now, these two are perfect for
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  • the program because they are
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  • relationships experts and have
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  • been working for decades,
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  • teaching people how to create
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  • better relationships.
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  • John and Helen, thank you
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  • for being with me today.
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  • - Helen: Thanks for having us.
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  • - Niyah: Now,
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  • "Sex, Love & Relationships,"
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  • that's kinda racy for me
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  • to even say something like that.
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  • - Helen: We're proud of you.
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  • - John: Yeah,
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  • you're doin' great, Niyah.
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  • - Niyah: Oi, thank you,
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  • thank you.
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  • I needed a little, you know?
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  • I asked 'em to turn up the AC
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  • a long time ago.
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  • But okay,
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  • "Sex, Love & Relationships,"
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  • I think back to even
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  • my generation right now,
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  • I feel like we kinda got it
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  • backwards sometimes
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  • when it comes to sex and love.
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  • And it's kinda like,
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  • "Well, if you love me,
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  • then you'll have sex with me."
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  • Or you know what I'm saying?
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  • Or people put sex before
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  • they put love.
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  • Talk to us about
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  • something like that.
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  • - John: Wow,
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  • that's so important, so good.
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  • I think the key is to go back
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  • to the question, "What is sex?"
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  • And, you know,
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  • especially after a president
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  • of the United States,
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  • you know,
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  • "Oh, we did not have--"
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  • You know?
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  • But the world's kinda confused,
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  • okay?
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  • So let me answer what it is.
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  • I think sex is the physical,
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  • emotional,
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  • spiritual celebration of love.
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  • And love is not a feeling.
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  • Love is a commitment.
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  • Love doesn't start today
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  • and end tomorrow.
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  • Love's a commitment that goes
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  • for the rest of your life.
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  • That's where marriage comes in.
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  • Marriage is the commitment
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  • to love somebody more and more
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  • and more until death do us part.
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  • It's a huge commitment.
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  • And people often say,
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  • "But marriage, you know,
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  • that's a private thing."
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  • No, it isn't.
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  • It's public.
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  • It's public.
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  • Why?
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  • Because out of marriage
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  • is gonna come generations.
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  • And generations are gonna get
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  • mixed with other generations.
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  • So it's something we make
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  • very public.
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  • Sex is private, but we know
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  • you're gonna have it
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  • when you get married.
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  • And so love is,
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  • sex is a celebration of love.
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  • Love should come first.
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  • So the typical thing today,
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  • where, "If you love me,
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  • you'll prove it,"
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  • and for any young lady
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  • that hears that from a guy,
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  • my advice is slap him.
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  • - Niyah: Yes.
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  • - John: And tell him,
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  • "If you love me,
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  • you would prove it."
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  • Because any old dog
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  • can have sex.
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  • It's gonna take some actual,
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  • you know--
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  • - Helen: Courage
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  • - John: Courage and strength--
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  • - Helen: Heart strength.
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  • - John: To not have sex, to do
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  • what's best for her, to love her
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  • and do what's best for her,
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  • which is save that
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  • for the commitment of marriage.
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  • And there's so much more
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  • I could say about it, but yeah.
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  • - Niyah: So good.
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  • I love this.
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  • I absolutely love this.
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  • Now, listen, I know we have tons
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  • and tons of questions.
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  • And we're actually joined by
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  • Andreas and Lina.
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  • They are our Stockholm,
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  • Hillsong Stockholm pastors,
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  • and they're going throughout
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  • the foyers right now,
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  • grabbing questions from people
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  • who have actual questions about
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  • sex, love, and relationships.
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  • Let's throw to them and see
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  • what questions they have
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  • for John and Helen today.
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  • - Lina Nielsen: Thanks, guys.
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  • I love listening to your wisdom
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  • and what you have to say about
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  • sex, love, and relationship.
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  • And I have another delegate here
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  • who has a question for you.
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  • - female: Hi.
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  • My question is, when should
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  • a man really grow up and take
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  • accountability in a marriage?
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  • - Lina: That's a good question.
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  • And I know that many women wants
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  • the answer for this one.
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  • So can you help us with this?
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  • - Niyah: Wow,
  • 00:08:31.250 --> 00:08:32.150
  • that was a good question.
  • 00:08:32.150 --> 00:08:33.110
  • What do you guys think about
  • 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:34.080
  • that one?
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  • - Helen: So I think what she's
  • 00:08:35.110 --> 00:08:36.120
  • asking is, how do we get a man,
  • 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.070
  • or I guess even a woman, to grow
  • 00:08:39.070 --> 00:08:40.280
  • up and take responsibility
  • 00:08:40.280 --> 00:08:42.120
  • in a relationship?
  • 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:43.110
  • 'Cause I think often we get
  • 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:44.070
  • married, especially after we get
  • 00:08:44.070 --> 00:08:45.200
  • married, we think,
  • 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:46.180
  • "I still wanna keep
  • 00:08:46.180 --> 00:08:47.130
  • all my friends.
  • 00:08:47.130 --> 00:08:48.140
  • I still wanna go out as much
  • 00:08:48.140 --> 00:08:49.210
  • as I went out before.
  • 00:08:49.210 --> 00:08:51.030
  • I don't wanna take
  • 00:08:51.030 --> 00:08:51.270
  • responsibility in the home."
  • 00:08:51.270 --> 00:08:53.050
  • Bottom line is, I think,
  • 00:08:53.050 --> 00:08:54.220
  • usually it should happen
  • 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:55.270
  • before you get married.
  • 00:08:55.270 --> 00:08:57.090
  • Don't you think it should
  • 00:08:57.090 --> 00:08:58.180
  • actually be something
  • 00:08:58.180 --> 00:08:59.170
  • that when you get married,
  • 00:08:59.170 --> 00:09:01.040
  • it's not about me anymore?
  • 00:09:01.040 --> 00:09:02.230
  • It's about we.
  • 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:03.280
  • And growing up, to me, is taking
  • 00:09:03.280 --> 00:09:05.230
  • the responsibility of doing
  • 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:07.140
  • whatever it takes to meet
  • 00:09:07.140 --> 00:09:08.190
  • the needs of one another.
  • 00:09:08.190 --> 00:09:09.290
  • It's not to say, I mean,
  • 00:09:09.290 --> 00:09:10.280
  • you have a life of your own
  • 00:09:10.280 --> 00:09:12.010
  • and I have a life of my own.
  • 00:09:12.010 --> 00:09:13.120
  • But in the sense that you go
  • 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:14.220
  • golfing and I have lots of
  • 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:15.270
  • friends and we do life together.
  • 00:09:15.270 --> 00:09:17.140
  • But it's never taking away
  • 00:09:17.140 --> 00:09:18.140
  • from one another.
  • 00:09:18.140 --> 00:09:19.260
  • But I know one thing for sure
  • 00:09:19.260 --> 00:09:20.280
  • is that if you feel they're not
  • 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:24.060
  • manning up and not being
  • 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:25.090
  • what you want them to be
  • 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:26.110
  • and to grow up, guaranteed that
  • 00:09:26.210 --> 00:09:29.210
  • if you nag 'em about it,
  • 00:09:29.210 --> 00:09:31.070
  • it's gonna get better.
  • 00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:32.130
  • It's only gonna get worse.
  • 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:34.060
  • And that's the sad thing.
  • 00:09:34.060 --> 00:09:35.290
  • We think if we can berate them,
  • 00:09:35.290 --> 00:09:37.210
  • or belittle them into it,
  • 00:09:37.210 --> 00:09:39.090
  • it's--but I know,
  • 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:40.150
  • if he's anything like you,
  • 00:09:40.150 --> 00:09:42.000
  • it's just gonna make
  • 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:42.230
  • the situation worse.
  • 00:09:42.230 --> 00:09:44.000
  • - John: You know, I think
  • 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:44.220
  • the key is to recognize that
  • 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:45.270
  • everybody has to grow up, 'kay?
  • 00:09:45.270 --> 00:09:48.050
  • No one comes into marriage
  • 00:09:48.050 --> 00:09:49.120
  • fully grown up.
  • 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:50.240
  • Every one of us are born fools.
  • 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:53.010
  • We really are.
  • 00:09:53.010 --> 00:09:54.100
  • And foolishness is wrapped up
  • 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:55.220
  • in the heart of a child,
  • 00:09:55.220 --> 00:09:56.240
  • and you have to grow up.
  • 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.060
  • And I think the hard discussions
  • 00:09:58.060 --> 00:10:00.100
  • that we've had over the years,
  • 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:01.270
  • you have to learn how
  • 00:10:01.270 --> 00:10:02.280
  • to actually have those tough
  • 00:10:02.280 --> 00:10:04.150
  • discussions, where you talk
  • 00:10:04.150 --> 00:10:06.020
  • about what is not working.
  • 00:10:06.020 --> 00:10:08.230
  • 'Cause a lot of guys would like
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:09.260
  • the authority, but authority
  • 00:10:09.260 --> 00:10:11.100
  • is always the flip side
  • 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:12.210
  • of responsibility.
  • 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:13.240
  • So talking those things through,
  • 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.280
  • and growing up, and keeping
  • 00:10:15.280 --> 00:10:17.170
  • that happening throughout
  • 00:10:17.170 --> 00:10:18.260
  • your marriage.
  • 00:10:18.260 --> 00:10:19.190
  • There's always gonna be
  • 00:10:19.190 --> 00:10:20.130
  • a little bit of,
  • 00:10:20.130 --> 00:10:21.240
  • "I'm disappointed
  • 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:22.240
  • you're not everything yet."
  • 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.070
  • But there's always
  • 00:10:24.070 --> 00:10:25.010
  • the other side too of,
  • 00:10:25.010 --> 00:10:26.080
  • "Thank you for this,"
  • 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:27.280
  • and we keep growing.
  • 00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:29.120
  • - Niyah: How important
  • 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.060
  • would you say
  • 00:10:30.060 --> 00:10:30.210
  • premarital counseling is?
  • 00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:31.260
  • Because you mentioned dealing
  • 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:34.040
  • with it before even getting
  • 00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:35.030
  • married, that they should
  • 00:10:35.030 --> 00:10:36.100
  • grow up beforehand.
  • 00:10:36.100 --> 00:10:37.120
  • Would premarital counseling be
  • 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.210
  • something that they can address
  • 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:40.100
  • these issues in?
  • 00:10:40.100 --> 00:10:41.110
  • - Helen: I think that's
  • 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:42.000
  • hugely important.
  • 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:42.280
  • And even if there wasn't
  • 00:10:42.280 --> 00:10:44.090
  • premarital counseling, one thing
  • 00:10:44.090 --> 00:10:45.230
  • that I think every relationship,
  • 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:48.050
  • even before you get married,
  • 00:10:48.050 --> 00:10:49.100
  • one thing you need to talk about
  • 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:50.160
  • is what your expectations are.
  • 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:52.090
  • Because we both came into
  • 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:53.110
  • marriage with a set
  • 00:10:53.110 --> 00:10:54.100
  • of expectations.
  • 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:55.170
  • You know, this is how
  • 00:10:55.170 --> 00:10:56.080
  • my family looked.
  • 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.020
  • This is how his family looked.
  • 00:10:57.020 --> 00:10:58.170
  • He thought his worked,
  • 00:10:58.170 --> 00:10:59.120
  • and I thought mine worked.
  • 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.180
  • But when we came together,
  • 00:11:00.180 --> 00:11:01.180
  • it wasn't working.
  • 00:11:01.180 --> 00:11:02.220
  • And so we had to learn how
  • 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:04.010
  • to express what was it we wanted
  • 00:11:04.010 --> 00:11:06.210
  • out of the marriage,
  • 00:11:06.210 --> 00:11:07.280
  • what were we willing to give?
  • 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:09.040
  • Because we all come in
  • 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:10.030
  • with expectations.
  • 00:11:10.030 --> 00:11:11.120
  • We have to take responsibility
  • 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:12.250
  • for them, and then do what
  • 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:14.230
  • we can to convey them
  • 00:11:14.230 --> 00:11:15.230
  • and live up to them.
  • 00:11:15.230 --> 00:11:17.040
  • - Niyah: John and Helen,
  • 00:11:17.040 --> 00:11:17.240
  • I thank you so much.
  • 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:18.290
  • Thank you for being here
  • 00:11:18.290 --> 00:11:19.270
  • with us today.
  • 00:11:19.270 --> 00:11:21.040
  • Your wisdom, literally, I've
  • 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:22.100
  • been taking notes in my head,
  • 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:23.280
  • like, brrrr.
  • 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:24.280
  • You guys are wonderful.
  • 00:11:24.280 --> 00:11:26.210
  • Thank you once again.
  • 00:11:26.210 --> 00:11:28.060
  • If you're interested
  • 00:11:28.060 --> 00:11:29.150
  • in John and Helen's show,
  • 00:11:29.150 --> 00:11:30.250
  • "Sex, Love & Relationships,"
  • 00:11:30.250 --> 00:11:32.040
  • just stay tuned.
  • 00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:32.250
  • We have it here, right here
  • 00:11:32.250 --> 00:11:33.180
  • - Tim: Coming up
  • 00:11:35.190 --> 00:11:36.040
  • - Christine: You can be a chick
  • 00:11:38.050 --> 00:11:38.240
  • that was left unnamed
  • 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:39.270
  • and unwanted
  • 00:11:39.270 --> 00:11:40.200
  • in Crown Street Women's Hospital
  • 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.050
  • and God will just say,
  • 00:11:42.050 --> 00:11:43.050
  • "I might just raise up a global
  • 00:11:43.050 --> 00:11:44.110
  • anti-trafficking organization."
  • 00:11:44.110 --> 00:11:46.210
  • You can reach multitudes.
  • 00:11:46.210 --> 00:11:47.270
  • I don't know who you are,
  • 00:11:47.270 --> 00:11:49.010
  • and I don't know
  • 00:11:49.010 --> 00:11:49.240
  • what God's called you to do,
  • 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.040
  • but all I'm saying
  • 00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:52.010
  • to you is impossible
  • 00:11:52.010 --> 00:11:53.000
  • is where God starts,
  • 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.250
  • - Emma: There is so much
  • 00:12:03.280 --> 00:12:04.150
  • happening in the Main Arena.
  • 00:12:04.150 --> 00:12:06.010
  • Let's take a look
  • 00:12:06.010 --> 00:12:06.230
  • - Christine: Fear is the
  • 00:12:10.010 --> 00:12:10.180
  • greatest killer of destiny.
  • 00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:13.140
  • Fear is what will take you out.
  • 00:12:13.140 --> 00:12:15.240
  • "God has not given us a spirit
  • 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.010
  • of fear, but of love, power,
  • 00:12:17.010 --> 00:12:18.130
  • and a sound mind."
  • 00:12:18.130 --> 00:12:19.110
  • I think it's funny that
  • 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:20.240
  • the angel of the Lord said,
  • 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:21.260
  • "Fear not."
  • 00:12:21.260 --> 00:12:22.150
  • I mean, this is like a thumping
  • 00:12:22.150 --> 00:12:23.140
  • huge angel.
  • 00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:24.080
  • It's not like a little dude
  • 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.000
  • playing a harp.
  • 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:25.280
  • It's not, don't have that kind
  • 00:12:25.280 --> 00:12:26.220
  • of image.
  • 00:12:26.220 --> 00:12:29.010
  • And you know, he's just told her
  • 00:12:29.010 --> 00:12:30.060
  • that she is gonna conceive
  • 00:12:30.060 --> 00:12:31.220
  • and birth God.
  • 00:12:31.220 --> 00:12:33.230
  • Can you just figure that?
  • 00:12:33.230 --> 00:12:35.150
  • I mean, this is the guy that
  • 00:12:35.150 --> 00:12:36.160
  • just, like, flung all of the
  • 00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:37.290
  • galaxies into wherever, you
  • 00:12:37.290 --> 00:12:40.120
  • know, you just kinda fling 'em,
  • 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:41.120
  • and here we are today.
  • 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:42.120
  • And that God was gonna be
  • 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.250
  • put into fingers and toes and
  • 00:12:44.250 --> 00:12:45.280
  • put on the inside of her womb.
  • 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:48.000
  • Look, if you've had a baby,
  • 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:48.220
  • you think a 10-pounder
  • 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:49.190
  • is a little bit scary.
  • 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:51.140
  • Imagine tryin' to birth God
  • 00:12:51.140 --> 00:12:52.140
  • of the universe.
  • 00:12:52.140 --> 00:12:54.010
  • I mean, you know, that's, like,
  • 00:12:54.010 --> 00:12:55.020
  • "Hello," without an epidural,
  • 00:12:55.020 --> 00:12:56.180
  • pre-C-sections.
  • 00:12:56.180 --> 00:12:57.140
  • Anyways, so it would be painful.
  • 00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:02.000
  • It would be painful.
  • 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.150
  • But he says, "Fear not."
  • 00:13:04.150 --> 00:13:06.240
  • And then you have to get to a
  • 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:07.170
  • place, if you're gonna carry God
  • 00:13:07.170 --> 00:13:08.170
  • to your generation, that you are
  • 00:13:08.170 --> 00:13:10.220
  • gonna make what you do know
  • 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:12.000
  • about God greater than what
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.190
  • you don't know about the future.
  • 00:13:13.190 --> 00:13:16.080
  • See, a lot of us, we freak out.
  • 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:17.180
  • "What if?"
  • 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:18.210
  • And Mary could've done that.
  • 00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:19.160
  • "What if?
  • 00:13:19.160 --> 00:13:20.030
  • What if Joseph leaves me?
  • 00:13:20.030 --> 00:13:20.280
  • What if my parents abandon me?
  • 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:21.270
  • What if I'm killed or
  • 00:13:21.270 --> 00:13:23.090
  • ostracized?"
  • 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:24.240
  • We go, "What if my friends
  • 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:25.260
  • ridicule me because
  • 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:26.230
  • I've decided, I've made
  • 00:13:26.230 --> 00:13:27.220
  • some strong decisions?
  • 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:29.230
  • I've decided
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:30.110
  • I'm gonna follow Jesus.
  • 00:13:30.110 --> 00:13:31.230
  • And no matter what
  • 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:32.130
  • I've done before, from now,
  • 00:13:32.130 --> 00:13:33.200
  • I'm gonna keep myself for Jesus.
  • 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.160
  • For now, I'm going to live
  • 00:13:36.160 --> 00:13:38.010
  • a life of integrity and purity.
  • 00:13:38.010 --> 00:13:40.210
  • From here on in, I'm gonna live
  • 00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:42.110
  • a life that my friends may
  • 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:44.240
  • ridicule me because it costs
  • 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:46.040
  • to follow Jesus."
  • 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.200
  • From a businessperson
  • 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.180
  • in this room,
  • 00:13:50.180 --> 00:13:51.060
  • "I'm gonna live a life
  • 00:13:51.060 --> 00:13:52.120
  • where I'm not gonna compromise.
  • 00:13:52.160 --> 00:13:55.160
  • I'm not gonna compromise in
  • 00:13:55.160 --> 00:13:56.270
  • my work ethic, and what I say.
  • 00:13:56.270 --> 00:13:59.160
  • And my words are gonna be true.
  • 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:01.260
  • And even if it's gonna cost me
  • 00:14:01.260 --> 00:14:02.240
  • deals and businesses, I'm gonna
  • 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.070
  • trust God that if I do it
  • 00:14:05.070 --> 00:14:06.240
  • his way and I don't cheat, and
  • 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.120
  • I don't lie, and I'm gonna be
  • 00:14:09.060 --> 00:14:12.060
  • the salt and light of the earth.
  • 00:14:12.060 --> 00:14:13.180
  • And so when I tweet, and when
  • 00:14:13.180 --> 00:14:15.060
  • I Instagram, and when I blog,
  • 00:14:15.170 --> 00:14:18.170
  • I'm gonna understand that
  • 00:14:18.170 --> 00:14:19.110
  • I'm an ambassador for Christ.
  • 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:20.220
  • So I'm not gonna be full of fear
  • 00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:21.180
  • And I'm not gonna be a someone
  • 00:14:24.190 --> 00:14:26.200
  • that's hostile and antagonistic
  • 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.180
  • and self-righteous and
  • 00:14:28.180 --> 00:14:29.190
  • judgmental, but I'm gonna be
  • 00:14:29.190 --> 00:14:30.180
  • full of love and joy and peace."
  • 00:14:30.180 --> 00:14:32.160
  • This goes to social media
  • 00:14:32.160 --> 00:14:34.030
  • as well,
  • 00:14:34.030 --> 00:14:35.000
  • "Love, and joy, and peace,
  • 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.200
  • and kindness, and gentleness,
  • 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.090
  • and long-suffering,
  • 00:14:38.090 --> 00:14:39.080
  • and self-control.
  • 00:14:40.030 --> 00:14:43.030
  • I'm gonna allow my Christianity
  • 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:44.150
  • to permeate every facet of my
  • 00:14:44.150 --> 00:14:45.270
  • life because I'm a God carrier.
  • 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.000
  • I'm a God carrier."
  • 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.000
  • And some of you at this
  • 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.000
  • conference, there's this thing
  • 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.240
  • sometimes you're carrying.
  • 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.160
  • There was those early months
  • 00:14:57.160 --> 00:14:58.190
  • nobody would've known that Mary
  • 00:14:58.190 --> 00:14:59.250
  • was carrying God, but she did.
  • 00:14:59.250 --> 00:15:02.220
  • So nobody else understands
  • 00:15:02.220 --> 00:15:03.240
  • why suddenly, you're acting
  • 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:04.280
  • a little bit different,
  • 00:15:04.280 --> 00:15:05.220
  • but you're carrying God.
  • 00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:08.110
  • You're carrying God.
  • 00:15:08.110 --> 00:15:09.020
  • You're gonna leave here
  • 00:15:09.020 --> 00:15:09.240
  • differently.
  • 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.130
  • And then you begin to show,
  • 00:15:11.130 --> 00:15:12.180
  • and that's when the naysayers
  • 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:13.190
  • begin to ridicule.
  • 00:15:13.230 --> 00:15:16.230
  • But you have got to stay firm.
  • 00:15:16.230 --> 00:15:19.040
  • And in the day and the hour in
  • 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:20.070
  • which we live, if we don't carry
  • 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:21.250
  • God to our world, I don't know
  • 00:15:21.250 --> 00:15:23.050
  • who you think is going to.
  • 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:26.100
  • It is the commissioning
  • 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:27.140
  • of the church.
  • 00:15:27.140 --> 00:15:28.240
  • I don't know why we keep blaming
  • 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.230
  • politicians for being
  • 00:15:30.230 --> 00:15:31.210
  • politicians, why we keep blaming
  • 00:15:31.210 --> 00:15:33.090
  • bankers for being bankers,
  • 00:15:33.090 --> 00:15:34.260
  • why we keep blaming lawyers
  • 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:36.040
  • for being lawyers, why we keep
  • 00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:37.120
  • blaming the media
  • 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.110
  • for being the media.
  • 00:15:38.110 --> 00:15:39.050
  • That's what they are.
  • 00:15:39.050 --> 00:15:40.050
  • We are the church, not them.
  • 00:15:40.050 --> 00:15:42.050
  • We are commissioned
  • 00:15:42.050 --> 00:15:43.020
  • to take Jesus to a lost
  • 00:15:43.020 --> 00:15:44.110
  • and a broken world.
  • 00:15:44.110 --> 00:15:45.180
  • That is the whole mandate
  • 00:15:45.180 --> 00:15:47.090
  • that we have been given.
  • 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:49.170
  • And so she did that.
  • 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:51.220
  • What I do love, though, is that
  • 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:54.170
  • when the angel of the Lord gave
  • 00:15:54.170 --> 00:15:55.240
  • her the charge, what he asked
  • 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.100
  • her to do, it was not difficult.
  • 00:15:58.100 --> 00:16:01.040
  • It was impossible.
  • 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:03.250
  • I need you to understand that.
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:05.160
  • When God calls you to do
  • 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:06.250
  • something, it's not difficult.
  • 00:16:06.250 --> 00:16:09.060
  • Because difficult you can do.
  • 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:12.040
  • Impossible you can't.
  • 00:16:12.040 --> 00:16:14.200
  • So it doesn't even start to be
  • 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:15.280
  • God until it's impossible.
  • 00:16:15.280 --> 00:16:18.250
  • Sometimes we go,
  • 00:16:18.250 --> 00:16:19.230
  • "Oh, man, this is so hard."
  • 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:20.180
  • And it's like,
  • 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:21.100
  • "No, no, that's just hard."
  • 00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:23.090
  • Difficult is just difficult.
  • 00:16:23.090 --> 00:16:25.100
  • But pregnant virgin?
  • 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:26.210
  • Impossible.
  • 00:16:26.210 --> 00:16:29.000
  • Pregnant old lady with ovaries
  • 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:30.190
  • dried up, no eggs?
  • 00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:31.290
  • Impossible.
  • 00:16:34.060 --> 00:16:37.060
  • And we need to get into
  • 00:16:37.060 --> 00:16:38.010
  • that realm, and that's what
  • 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.030
  • the Lord's stirring
  • 00:16:39.030 --> 00:16:39.290
  • at this conference.
  • 00:16:39.290 --> 00:16:41.250
  • That realm where God, we truly
  • 00:16:41.250 --> 00:16:43.050
  • believe that God is able to do,
  • 00:16:43.050 --> 00:16:44.190
  • "Exceedingly abundantly above
  • 00:16:44.190 --> 00:16:45.140
  • and beyond anything we could
  • 00:16:45.140 --> 00:16:46.130
  • ever ask, hope, or think,"
  • 00:16:46.130 --> 00:16:47.150
  • where we believe that,
  • 00:16:47.150 --> 00:16:48.160
  • "Our eye has not seen,
  • 00:16:48.160 --> 00:16:49.190
  • our ears have not heard,
  • 00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:50.280
  • nor has it entered our hearts
  • 00:16:50.280 --> 00:16:52.050
  • the things that God has for us."
  • 00:16:52.050 --> 00:16:54.100
  • We need to get into
  • 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:55.100
  • that impossible realm.
  • 00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:56.220
  • I remember when we started A21,
  • 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:59.220
  • when the Lord called me.
  • 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:00.240
  • You never feel ready.
  • 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.130
  • You never feel like
  • 00:17:02.130 --> 00:17:03.100
  • you can do it.
  • 00:17:03.100 --> 00:17:04.120
  • I was just early 40s.
  • 00:17:04.120 --> 00:17:06.100
  • I had just popped out
  • 00:17:06.100 --> 00:17:07.010
  • my second kid.
  • 00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:08.150
  • And I'm telling you,
  • 00:17:08.150 --> 00:17:09.030
  • when you are over 40,
  • 00:17:09.030 --> 00:17:11.000
  • and you have popped out a kid,
  • 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.160
  • you are not looking to start an
  • 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:13.240
  • anti-trafficking organization.
  • 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.200
  • You want a purple heart, and you
  • 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.060
  • wanna go sit on a Greek island
  • 00:17:17.060 --> 00:17:19.010
  • and drink Perrier.
  • 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:23.030
  • That's what you wanna do.
  • 00:17:23.030 --> 00:17:26.030
  • I was not looking to start
  • 00:17:26.030 --> 00:17:27.050
  • anything.
  • 00:17:27.050 --> 00:17:28.110
  • And I remember when we hired
  • 00:17:28.110 --> 00:17:29.230
  • the consultants and sent them
  • 00:17:29.230 --> 00:17:31.110
  • into Thessaloniki.
  • 00:17:31.110 --> 00:17:32.250
  • And I'd already told them,
  • 00:17:32.250 --> 00:17:34.150
  • "We're not gonna be, you know,
  • 00:17:34.150 --> 00:17:35.260
  • this is, no one is there.
  • 00:17:35.260 --> 00:17:37.080
  • No one is in that region of the
  • 00:17:37.080 --> 00:17:38.090
  • world because it's not easy."
  • 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.200
  • And Greece at the time was on
  • 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.100
  • the verge of economic collapse.
  • 00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:45.080
  • It was in 2008.
  • 00:17:45.080 --> 00:17:46.140
  • Since then, we've personally
  • 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:47.140
  • bankrupted the planet.
  • 00:17:47.140 --> 00:17:48.140
  • You're welcome.
  • 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:48.290
  • But that was back then.
  • 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.200
  • And then there was
  • 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.100
  • no legislation protecting
  • 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:55.280
  • the rights of victims.
  • 00:17:55.280 --> 00:17:57.180
  • There was, you know, there was
  • 00:17:57.180 --> 00:18:00.080
  • so much corruption, which has
  • 00:18:00.080 --> 00:18:01.200
  • become evident to the world now.
  • 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.160
  • The church is so embryonic.
  • 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.030
  • There are fewer than
  • 00:18:06.030 --> 00:18:06.230
  • 10.000 evangelical believers
  • 00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:08.090
  • in a nation
  • 00:18:08.090 --> 00:18:08.270
  • of 12 million people.
  • 00:18:08.270 --> 00:18:09.270
  • So the light is so dim that
  • 00:18:09.270 --> 00:18:12.220
  • there's not a whole lot of
  • 00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:13.240
  • support from the church world.
  • 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.200
  • And there was just challenge
  • 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:18.170
  • after challenge after challenge.
  • 00:18:18.170 --> 00:18:20.210
  • And I remember when we sent
  • 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:21.160
  • the consultants in.
  • 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.080
  • And I had felt like
  • 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:25.020
  • when Moses sent the 12 spies
  • 00:18:25.020 --> 00:18:27.260
  • in in Numbers 13.
  • 00:18:27.260 --> 00:18:29.270
  • That was the Word that God
  • 00:18:29.270 --> 00:18:30.220
  • had given.
  • 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:31.070
  • "You're gonna start
  • 00:18:31.070 --> 00:18:31.260
  • in Thessaloniki."
  • 00:18:31.260 --> 00:18:33.170
  • And I sent them in not to tell
  • 00:18:33.170 --> 00:18:35.100
  • me if we can start A21
  • 00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:37.090
  • in Thessaloniki,
  • 00:18:37.090 --> 00:18:38.050
  • but how we were going to do it.
  • 00:18:38.060 --> 00:18:41.060
  • When Moses sent the 12 spies
  • 00:18:41.060 --> 00:18:42.140
  • into the Promised Land
  • 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:44.000
  • in Numbers 13,
  • 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:44.230
  • he did not send them in to say,
  • 00:18:44.230 --> 00:18:46.180
  • "Is it possible for us
  • 00:18:46.180 --> 00:18:47.210
  • to do this?"
  • 00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:48.090
  • 'cause God had already said
  • 00:18:48.090 --> 00:18:49.200
  • it was gonna be done.
  • 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.240
  • So if God said it, it was
  • 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.160
  • already going to happen.
  • 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:53.230
  • Well, I was in the airport, in
  • 00:18:53.230 --> 00:18:56.070
  • Frankfurt Airport, and I was
  • 00:18:56.070 --> 00:18:58.030
  • in the lounge, and I was going
  • 00:18:58.030 --> 00:18:59.060
  • to get the next flight
  • 00:18:59.060 --> 00:19:00.170
  • to Thessaloniki.
  • 00:19:00.170 --> 00:19:01.110
  • I'd flown over from Sydney.
  • 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:03.170
  • And Nick called me 'cause
  • 00:19:03.170 --> 00:19:04.290
  • he'd been with the consultants,
  • 00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:06.130
  • and it was 3 weeks in Greece.
  • 00:19:06.130 --> 00:19:08.130
  • And they had been going through
  • 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:09.180
  • everything.
  • 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.240
  • It was the most comprehensive
  • 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.100
  • report you could ever see.
  • 00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:14.040
  • And I remember Nick called me
  • 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:15.190
  • and he said to me,
  • 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:16.110
  • "Christine,
  • 00:19:16.110 --> 00:19:17.110
  • are you sitting down?"
  • 00:19:17.110 --> 00:19:20.030
  • And that's always
  • 00:19:20.030 --> 00:19:20.220
  • not a good start.
  • 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:21.210
  • And then he said to me,
  • 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:23.070
  • "Christine, before you get
  • 00:19:23.070 --> 00:19:24.110
  • on this plane to come
  • 00:19:24.110 --> 00:19:25.130
  • to Thessaloniki, I want you to
  • 00:19:25.130 --> 00:19:27.150
  • remember that you are a pastor,
  • 00:19:28.280 --> 00:19:31.280
  • a Christian pastor."
  • 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:34.210
  • Now, when Nick says that,
  • 00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:35.240
  • it's always because the default
  • 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:37.200
  • is that I'm a Greek, volatile,
  • 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.080
  • crazy person, okay?
  • 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:41.150
  • So that was a,
  • 00:19:41.150 --> 00:19:42.160
  • he was choosing that.
  • 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.120
  • And he said,
  • 00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:46.270
  • "I've got the document here."
  • 00:19:46.270 --> 00:19:48.030
  • And it was a 100-page report.
  • 00:19:48.030 --> 00:19:50.180
  • And that 100-page report
  • 00:19:50.180 --> 00:19:51.170
  • essentially said, "Do not start
  • 00:19:51.170 --> 00:19:54.080
  • in Greece or Eastern Europe
  • 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:56.060
  • or Europe at all.
  • 00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:57.060
  • Start in Southeast Asia.
  • 00:19:57.060 --> 00:19:58.260
  • You will--"
  • 00:19:58.260 --> 00:19:59.190
  • And then there is ten times
  • 00:19:59.190 --> 00:20:01.120
  • in this document the phrase,
  • 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:04.020
  • "It will be impossible."
  • 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:05.230
  • "It will be impossible to start
  • 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:07.020
  • an anti-trafficking organization
  • 00:20:07.020 --> 00:20:08.250
  • in Thessaloniki because,"
  • 00:20:08.250 --> 00:20:10.140
  • and he would--listed
  • 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:10.290
  • the reasons.
  • 00:20:10.290 --> 00:20:11.280
  • Because of the corruption,
  • 00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:13.090
  • because of the lack
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:14.190
  • of legislation protecting
  • 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:15.190
  • the rights of victims,
  • 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:16.150
  • because of the economic crisis,
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:18.230
  • it just went on and on and on.
  • 00:20:18.230 --> 00:20:20.190
  • And I remember, as I'm sitting
  • 00:20:20.190 --> 00:20:21.170
  • in the airport at Frankfurt,
  • 00:20:21.170 --> 00:20:23.200
  • I had my own little
  • 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:24.070
  • Numbers 13 experience.
  • 00:20:24.070 --> 00:20:25.150
  • I stood up and I yelled into
  • 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:27.170
  • the phone, I felt like I was
  • 00:20:27.170 --> 00:20:28.290
  • like Caleb in Numbers 13.
  • 00:20:28.290 --> 00:20:31.210
  • I went, "Nick, you tell them
  • 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:34.250
  • that God told us to start
  • 00:20:34.250 --> 00:20:36.090
  • in Thessaloniki,
  • 00:20:36.090 --> 00:20:37.130
  • and if God said it, we are
  • 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:38.270
  • well able to take the land.
  • 00:20:38.270 --> 00:20:41.100
  • We are well able to be able
  • 00:20:41.100 --> 00:20:43.020
  • to go in."
  • 00:20:43.020 --> 00:20:43.270
  • Well, church, here we are,
  • 00:20:43.270 --> 00:20:46.050
  • 8 years later, 14 offices
  • 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.160
  • around the world, 12 countries,
  • 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.270
  • over 150 traffickers in jail,
  • 00:20:51.270 --> 00:20:54.210
  • hundreds of girls and women
  • 00:20:54.210 --> 00:20:56.140
  • and children rescued around
  • 00:20:56.140 --> 00:20:58.110
  • the world.
  • 00:20:58.110 --> 00:21:00.070
  • "What is impossible with man
  • 00:21:00.070 --> 00:21:02.060
  • is possible with God."
  • 00:21:02.060 --> 00:21:03.270
  • "With God all things
  • 00:21:03.270 --> 00:21:04.290
  • are possible."
  • 00:21:04.290 --> 00:21:06.040
  • And, "Nothing is impossible
  • 00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:08.170
  • with God," nothing.
  • 00:21:08.170 --> 00:21:11.060
  • And only God would've known
  • 00:21:11.060 --> 00:21:12.030
  • 8 years later the largest
  • 00:21:12.030 --> 00:21:14.100
  • humanitarian crisis
  • 00:21:14.100 --> 00:21:15.150
  • since World War II would hit.
  • 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:17.040
  • Eighty-five percent of all
  • 00:21:17.040 --> 00:21:18.040
  • Syrian refugees,
  • 00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:19.110
  • eighty-five percent
  • 00:21:19.110 --> 00:21:20.120
  • of all of them,
  • 00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:21.000
  • would be crossing the border
  • 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.040
  • fifteen minutes from where
  • 00:21:22.040 --> 00:21:23.190
  • our offices are.
  • 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:25.250
  • And by God's grace, and because
  • 00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:26.280
  • of our credibility, we've set up
  • 00:21:26.280 --> 00:21:28.090
  • eight camps in Greece,
  • 00:21:28.090 --> 00:21:29.220
  • and we work with UN HCL.
  • 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.030
  • We work with the Red Cross.
  • 00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:34.100
  • In just 2 months
  • 00:21:34.100 --> 00:21:35.080
  • we've got 265 walks worldwide
  • 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:37.270
  • in 39 countries of people
  • 00:21:37.270 --> 00:21:40.050
  • walking for freedom,
  • 00:21:40.050 --> 00:21:41.130
  • covered by media around
  • 00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:42.170
  • the world.
  • 00:21:42.170 --> 00:21:43.070
  • Let me tell you something.
  • 00:21:43.070 --> 00:21:44.280
  • You know what?
  • 00:21:44.280 --> 00:21:45.200
  • You can be Mary, and an angel
  • 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.280
  • of the Lord says that,
  • 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:49.060
  • "The Holy Spirit
  • 00:21:49.060 --> 00:21:49.280
  • will overshadow you,
  • 00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:51.030
  • and God will make possible
  • 00:21:51.030 --> 00:21:52.040
  • what is impossible with man."
  • 00:21:52.040 --> 00:21:53.260
  • You can be a chick that was
  • 00:21:53.260 --> 00:21:55.190
  • left unnamed and unwanted
  • 00:21:55.190 --> 00:21:57.040
  • in Crown Street Women's Hospital
  • 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:58.170
  • and God will just say,
  • 00:21:58.170 --> 00:21:59.230
  • "I might just raise up a global
  • 00:21:59.230 --> 00:22:01.040
  • anti-trafficking organization."
  • 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:03.110
  • You can reach multitudes.
  • 00:22:03.110 --> 00:22:04.170
  • I don't know who you are, and
  • 00:22:04.170 --> 00:22:05.220
  • I don't know what God's called
  • 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:06.290
  • you to do, but all I'm saying
  • 00:22:06.290 --> 00:22:08.150
  • to you is impossible
  • 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:09.220
  • is where God starts,
  • 00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:11.160
  • and miracles are what God does.
  • 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.200
  • - Steve: Listen, tell us about
  • 00:22:18.060 --> 00:22:18.260
  • some of these new songs.
  • 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:20.040
  • - Ben Fielding: Well, let me
  • 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:20.220
  • start by just sayin' one of my
  • 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:21.140
  • favorite new songs that we've
  • 00:22:21.140 --> 00:22:22.210
  • been doing across conference is
  • 00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:24.040
  • a song that Benny wrote called
  • 00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:26.070
  • "Crowns."
  • 00:22:26.070 --> 00:22:27.250
  • - Steve: Yes.
  • 00:22:27.250 --> 00:22:28.160
  • - Ben: And it's incredible.
  • 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.170
  • - Mel: It's beautiful.
  • 00:22:29.170 --> 00:22:30.150
  • - Steve: What a great title.
  • 00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:31.070
  • - Benjamin Hastings: It's
  • 00:22:31.070 --> 00:22:31.260
  • the one based around the line,
  • 00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:32.200
  • "My wealth is in the cross."
  • 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:33.130
  • - Mel: Oh.
  • 00:22:33.130 --> 00:22:34.090
  • - Benjamin: Yeah.
  • 00:22:34.090 --> 00:22:35.010
  • And yeah, it's been so cool
  • 00:22:35.010 --> 00:22:36.130
  • to do that this week.
  • 00:22:36.130 --> 00:22:37.080
  • I think the coolest thing is
  • 00:22:37.080 --> 00:22:37.290
  • when you hear people, and so
  • 00:22:37.290 --> 00:22:40.160
  • many people, engaging with it.
  • 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.060
  • - Mel: Yay!
  • 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:53.140
  • Hello.
  • 00:22:53.290 --> 00:22:56.290
  • Now, I know you,
  • 00:22:56.290 --> 00:22:58.180
  • but I don't know you.
  • 00:22:58.180 --> 00:22:59.250
  • I'm Mel, Ben, how are you?
  • 00:22:59.250 --> 00:23:01.270
  • Oh, hello, darling.
  • 00:23:01.270 --> 00:23:03.270
  • How are you?
  • 00:23:03.270 --> 00:23:04.270
  • - Ben: This is my boy.
  • 00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:05.280
  • - Mel: He is very lovely.
  • 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:06.240
  • - Steve: Can I have
  • 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.090
  • a high five?
  • 00:23:07.090 --> 00:23:08.200
  • Good boy.
  • 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:09.090
  • Nice one, champ.
  • 00:23:09.090 --> 00:23:10.100
  • Oh, did that hurt?
  • 00:23:10.100 --> 00:23:11.030
  • - Ben: Did he hit a bit hard?
  • 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:14.030
  • [laughing]
  • 00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:16.060
  • - Steve: Sorry, champ.
  • 00:23:16.060 --> 00:23:16.240
  • - Ben: It's been
  • 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.090
  • an incredible week.
  • 00:23:17.090 --> 00:23:18.020
  • - Benjamin: It really has.
  • 00:23:18.020 --> 00:23:19.080
  • - Ben: And we've had the
  • 00:23:19.080 --> 00:23:20.070
  • opportunity, obviously, to hear
  • 00:23:20.070 --> 00:23:21.070
  • some incredible messages, to
  • 00:23:21.070 --> 00:23:22.230
  • record some of our new songs,
  • 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:24.190
  • which has been amazing.
  • 00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:25.160
  • - Steve: Tell us about some
  • 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.120
  • of these new songs.
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:28.010
  • I know these new songs.
  • 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:28.270
  • We love these new songs.
  • 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:29.250
  • We've been singing
  • 00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:30.100
  • these new songs.
  • 00:23:30.100 --> 00:23:31.030
  • But how are you feeling
  • 00:23:31.030 --> 00:23:32.030
  • about them?
  • 00:23:32.030 --> 00:23:32.180
  • And tell us.
  • 00:23:32.180 --> 00:23:33.290
  • - Ben: Well, let me start by
  • 00:23:33.290 --> 00:23:34.180
  • just sayin' one of my favorite
  • 00:23:34.180 --> 00:23:35.150
  • new songs that we've been doing
  • 00:23:35.150 --> 00:23:37.030
  • across conference now is
  • 00:23:37.030 --> 00:23:38.190
  • a song that Benny wrote called
  • 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:41.020
  • "Crowns."
  • 00:23:41.020 --> 00:23:42.030
  • - Steve: Yes.
  • 00:23:42.030 --> 00:23:42.180
  • - Ben: And it's incredible.
  • 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:43.170
  • - Mel: It's beautiful.
  • 00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:44.110
  • - Steve: What a great title.
  • 00:23:44.110 --> 00:23:45.070
  • - Ben: It is.
  • 00:23:45.070 --> 00:23:45.280
  • - Benjamin Hastings: [laughing]
  • 00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:47.080
  • - Ben: Now, you should
  • 00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:47.270
  • definitely talk a little bit
  • 00:23:47.270 --> 00:23:48.180
  • about that.
  • 00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.030
  • - Benjamin: Okay, yeah, yeah--
  • 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:50.000
  • - Mel: You're a new dad,
  • 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:50.210
  • aren't you?
  • 00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:51.200
  • - Benjamin: Oh, yeah.
  • 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.050
  • I think they're talking about,
  • 00:23:52.050 --> 00:23:53.060
  • so they're talking about
  • 00:23:53.060 --> 00:23:54.020
  • a different one, which is
  • 00:23:54.020 --> 00:23:55.120
  • "Crowns."
  • 00:23:55.120 --> 00:23:57.100
  • - Steve: Stay with him, Mel.
  • 00:23:57.100 --> 00:23:58.040
  • Stay with him.
  • 00:23:58.040 --> 00:23:58.190
  • - Benjamin: That's all right.
  • 00:23:58.190 --> 00:24:00.020
  • - Ben: Just, you just gotta--
  • 00:24:00.020 --> 00:24:01.080
  • - Steve: We'll come back
  • 00:24:01.080 --> 00:24:01.240
  • to that.
  • 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:02.090
  • But no, that's a good one.
  • 00:24:02.090 --> 00:24:02.280
  • That's a good story.
  • 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:03.160
  • We should come back to that.
  • 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.260
  • - Benjamin: So, yeah,
  • 00:24:04.260 --> 00:24:05.130
  • they're talkin' about "Crowns,"
  • 00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:06.260
  • or "Crowns."
  • 00:24:06.260 --> 00:24:08.000
  • - Steve: "Crowns."
  • 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:08.240
  • - Benjamin:
  • 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.100
  • It's the Irish accent.
  • 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:10.000
  • - Mel: My bad.
  • 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:10.270
  • - Benjamin: Which is, it's
  • 00:24:10.270 --> 00:24:12.160
  • the one based around the line,
  • 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.230
  • "My wealth is in the cross."
  • 00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:15.030
  • - Benjamin: Yeah.
  • 00:24:15.030 --> 00:24:15.250
  • And yeah, it's been so cool
  • 00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:17.050
  • to do that this week.
  • 00:24:17.050 --> 00:24:18.030
  • I think the coolest thing is
  • 00:24:18.030 --> 00:24:18.270
  • when you hear people, and so
  • 00:24:18.270 --> 00:24:21.120
  • many people, engaging with it,
  • 00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:23.050
  • and actively using that song
  • 00:24:23.050 --> 00:24:25.110
  • to worship.
  • 00:24:25.110 --> 00:24:26.030
  • Like, it's such a amazing--
  • 00:24:26.030 --> 00:24:27.220
  • - Steve: It's really
  • 00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:28.080
  • well thought through lyrics.
  • 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:29.080
  • Just talk about the lyric,
  • 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:30.060
  • just the chorus.
  • 00:24:30.060 --> 00:24:30.230
  • It's just so profound.
  • 00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:32.040
  • Just read it out to everyone,
  • 00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:33.210
  • or if you can remember them,
  • 00:24:33.210 --> 00:24:35.010
  • can you remember 'em?
  • 00:24:35.010 --> 00:24:35.260
  • - Mel: Do you know
  • 00:24:35.260 --> 00:24:36.110
  • all the words?
  • 00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:37.010
  • - Benjamin:
  • 00:24:37.010 --> 00:24:37.220
  • "My wealth is in the cross.
  • 00:24:37.220 --> 00:24:38.230
  • There's nothing more I want
  • 00:24:38.230 --> 00:24:39.260
  • than just to know his love.
  • 00:24:39.260 --> 00:24:41.180
  • My heart is set on Christ and
  • 00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:42.180
  • I will count all else as loss."
  • 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:44.020
  • And it basically just digs into
  • 00:24:44.020 --> 00:24:46.080
  • that thought that everything
  • 00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:48.190
  • else in this world, when it
  • 00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:49.180
  • comes down to it, is meaningless
  • 00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:51.260
  • in comparison to that
  • 00:24:51.260 --> 00:24:53.070
  • which Jesus did for us.
  • 00:24:53.070 --> 00:24:54.130
  • And in comparison to that cross,
  • 00:24:54.130 --> 00:24:56.240
  • yeah, everything is worthless,
  • 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.030
  • and that's what I'll prize.
  • 00:24:59.030 --> 00:25:00.100
  • And so, yeah, and we called it
  • 00:25:00.100 --> 00:25:02.080
  • "Crowns,"
  • 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:03.090
  • touching on that thought.
  • 00:25:03.090 --> 00:25:05.070
  • Like,
  • 00:25:05.070 --> 00:25:05.220
  • "The greatest of my crowns,
  • 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:06.180
  • they mean nothing to me now."
  • 00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:07.160
  • And in the last verse it says,
  • 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.010
  • "And when I stand in glory and
  • 00:25:09.010 --> 00:25:11.170
  • my crowns before the Lord,"
  • 00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:13.100
  • and touching on that Scripture,
  • 00:25:13.100 --> 00:25:15.090
  • and yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:16.160
  • - Mel: Wow.
  • 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:17.020
  • - Steve: That's a great image,
  • 00:25:17.020 --> 00:25:17.210
  • when I stand before glory
  • 00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:18.190
  • with my crowns--it's fantastic.
  • 00:25:18.190 --> 00:25:20.220
  • I love it.
  • 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:21.120
  • - Mel: Yeah, beautiful.
  • 00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:21.270
  • But there is another song that
  • 00:25:21.270 --> 00:25:22.180
  • you did write that you sung that
  • 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:25.060
  • I got a bit wrong before, so--
  • 00:25:25.060 --> 00:25:27.130
  • - Steve: No, that's all right.
  • 00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:28.020
  • - Mel: 'Cause you're a new dad.
  • 00:25:28.020 --> 00:25:28.270
  • Tell us about that one.
  • 00:25:28.270 --> 00:25:30.020
  • - Benjamin: Oh, yeah.
  • 00:25:30.020 --> 00:25:32.070
  • Well, that's a really special
  • 00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:33.040
  • song to me.
  • 00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:33.190
  • I wrote than in the lead up
  • 00:25:33.190 --> 00:25:34.290
  • to my daughter being born.
  • 00:25:34.290 --> 00:25:36.290
  • And it centered around
  • 00:25:36.290 --> 00:25:39.120
  • the thought, "As for me and my
  • 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:40.230
  • house, we will serve the Lord."
  • 00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:41.280
  • And it was just, it was just, it
  • 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:44.100
  • was, I guess, essentially giving
  • 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:45.160
  • voice to my prayer for her, for
  • 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.130
  • her life, that she would come
  • 00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:48.120
  • to know the love of Jesus
  • 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:49.230
  • and love him back.
  • 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:51.090
  • And yes, that song was just
  • 00:25:51.090 --> 00:25:53.000
  • birthed from that place and
  • 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:54.030
  • giving an outlet to me being
  • 00:25:54.030 --> 00:25:56.020
  • able to sing with my daughter.
  • 00:25:56.020 --> 00:25:57.010
  • And I hope as we did it
  • 00:25:57.010 --> 00:25:59.040
  • this week that it gave voice
  • 00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:00.060
  • other people in their family
  • 00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:02.100
  • situations, whether it be a
  • 00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:03.250
  • daughter or a son, whether it be
  • 00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:05.160
  • their parents, whether it be
  • 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:06.200
  • their best friends, whatever the
  • 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.280
  • situation, that they'd be able
  • 00:26:07.280 --> 00:26:10.060
  • to join that confession
  • 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:12.030
  • and sing it over their family.
  • 00:26:12.030 --> 00:26:13.010
  • So, yeah, it was really special
  • 00:26:13.010 --> 00:26:14.150
  • to get to do that, yeah.
  • 00:26:14.150 --> 00:26:15.220
  • - Steve: Now, this new album,
  • 00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:17.070
  • we've announced to the people
  • 00:26:17.070 --> 00:26:19.100
  • here that it's called
  • 00:26:19.100 --> 00:26:20.060
  • "Let There Be Light."
  • 00:26:20.060 --> 00:26:21.070
  • - Benjamin: That's right.
  • 00:26:21.070 --> 00:26:21.240
  • - Steve: Talk us through the
  • 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.240
  • background and the meaning
  • 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.070
  • of that phrase and what that,
  • 00:26:24.070 --> 00:26:26.010
  • how that's impacted on
  • 00:26:26.010 --> 00:26:27.070
  • the development of the songs,
  • 00:26:27.070 --> 00:26:28.150
  • and so forth.
  • 00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:29.140
  • - Ben: Well, it's significant,
  • 00:26:29.140 --> 00:26:30.190
  • obviously, that the creation
  • 00:26:30.190 --> 00:26:32.260
  • story starts with the first
  • 00:26:32.260 --> 00:26:33.270
  • thing that God does, he says,
  • 00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:34.290
  • "Let there be light."
  • 00:26:34.290 --> 00:26:35.270
  • - Steve: Right.
  • 00:26:35.270 --> 00:26:36.170
  • - Ben: And to me, you know, the
  • 00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:38.080
  • significance of worship is the,
  • 00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:40.210
  • one of the significances is the
  • 00:26:40.210 --> 00:26:42.190
  • illumination of the character of
  • 00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:44.230
  • God and the attributes of God.
  • 00:26:44.230 --> 00:26:46.120
  • So when we worship,
  • 00:26:46.120 --> 00:26:47.280
  • there's a increasing revelation
  • 00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:49.250
  • of who God is.
  • 00:26:49.250 --> 00:26:51.030
  • So his light is shone upon
  • 00:26:51.030 --> 00:26:52.190
  • his character,
  • 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:54.030
  • but it's also shone upon us.
  • 00:26:54.030 --> 00:26:55.090
  • And we become, well,
  • 00:26:55.090 --> 00:26:57.120
  • as we worship, a mouthpiece
  • 00:26:57.120 --> 00:26:58.190
  • for the greatness of God,
  • 00:26:58.190 --> 00:27:00.090
  • which I think is so awesome.
  • 00:27:00.090 --> 00:27:01.120
  • And then the other side of it
  • 00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:03.110
  • too is it, when we worship,
  • 00:27:03.110 --> 00:27:05.030
  • we confess who God is
  • 00:27:05.030 --> 00:27:07.020
  • and the authority that God has
  • 00:27:07.020 --> 00:27:08.080
  • over darkness.
  • 00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:09.140
  • And so even, you know,
  • 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:10.100
  • what Benny was just saying.
  • 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:11.120
  • You know, you can, whatever it
  • 00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:13.000
  • is that we kinda come into life
  • 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:14.290
  • with, into church with, whenever
  • 00:27:14.290 --> 00:27:16.180
  • we take hold of these songs,
  • 00:27:16.180 --> 00:27:18.080
  • we can confess the truth of
  • 00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:20.200
  • who God is and the authority
  • 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:21.270
  • that God has over whatever
  • 00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:23.000
  • the circumstance is.
  • 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.060
  • So darkness no longer has the
  • 00:27:24.060 --> 00:27:26.240
  • final say, but that God's light
  • 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.170
  • shines right
  • 00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:30.020
  • in the middle of it.
  • 00:27:30.020 --> 00:27:30.250
  • And darkness becomes
  • 00:27:30.250 --> 00:27:31.170
  • an environment for God's glory
  • 00:27:31.170 --> 00:27:32.230
  • There's no borders
  • 00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:03.160
  • in your love
  • 00:28:06.020 --> 00:28:09.020
  • no division in your heart
  • 00:28:09.250 --> 00:28:12.250
  • God of heaven
  • 00:28:16.110 --> 00:28:19.110
  • God of freedom
  • 00:28:26.020 --> 00:28:29.020
  • There's no taking back
  • 00:28:29.020 --> 00:28:30.270
  • the cross
  • 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.240
  • no regret
  • 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:36.290
  • in what it cost
  • 00:28:36.290 --> 00:28:39.240
  • God of freedom
  • 00:28:41.110 --> 00:28:44.110
  • C'mon.
  • 00:28:44.110 --> 00:28:46.130
  • God of heaven
  • 00:28:50.050 --> 00:28:53.050
  • Let there be light
  • 00:28:55.060 --> 00:28:58.060
  • Open the eyes of the blind
  • 00:29:01.190 --> 00:29:04.190
  • Purify our hearts
  • 00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:07.030
  • in your fire
  • 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.160
  • Breathe in us we pray
  • 00:29:16.270 --> 00:29:19.270
  • Let there be light
  • 00:29:22.080 --> 00:29:25.080
  • Open our eyes to your heart
  • 00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:31.230
  • Desperate just to know
  • 00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:34.050
  • who you are
  • 00:29:35.110 --> 00:29:38.110
  • Shine in us we pray
  • 00:29:41.260 --> 00:29:44.260
  • Oh, have your way
  • 00:29:56.060 --> 00:29:59.060
  • Good news
  • 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:17.190
  • embracing the poor
  • 00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:19.150
  • Comfort for all those
  • 00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:21.130
  • who mourn
  • 00:30:21.130 --> 00:30:23.010
  • And for the brokenhearted
  • 00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:27.080
  • we sing louder
  • 00:30:27.080 --> 00:30:29.250
  • Release from prison
  • 00:30:29.250 --> 00:30:31.190
  • and shame
  • 00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:33.030
  • Oppression
  • 00:30:33.030 --> 00:30:34.140
  • turning to praise
  • 00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:36.170
  • For every captive
  • 00:30:37.260 --> 00:30:40.260
  • sing louder
  • 00:30:40.260 --> 00:30:43.090
  • Restoring sight
  • 00:30:43.090 --> 00:30:45.020
  • to the blind
  • 00:30:45.020 --> 00:30:46.210
  • Breaking the curse
  • 00:30:46.210 --> 00:30:48.150
  • of the night
  • 00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:50.070
  • For all in darkness
  • 00:30:51.100 --> 00:30:54.100
  • sing louder
  • 00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:56.250
  • Proclaiming freedom for all
  • 00:30:57.040 --> 00:31:00.060
  • This is the day of the Lord
  • 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:03.180
  • Beauty for ashes
  • 00:31:05.040 --> 00:31:08.040
  • Let there be light
  • 00:31:10.030 --> 00:31:13.030
  • Open the eyes of the blind
  • 00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:19.210
  • Purify our hearts
  • 00:31:19.210 --> 00:31:22.060
  • in your fire
  • 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:26.170
  • Breathe in us we pray
  • 00:31:30.050 --> 00:31:33.050
  • Jesus, let there be light
  • 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.000
  • Open our eyes to your heart
  • 00:31:43.210 --> 00:31:46.210
  • Desperate just to know
  • 00:31:46.210 --> 00:31:49.060
  • who you are
  • 00:31:50.130 --> 00:31:53.130
  • Shine in us we pray
  • 00:31:57.040 --> 00:32:00.060
  • - Steve: You know what someone
  • 00:32:23.110 --> 00:32:24.050
  • said to me while you were
  • 00:32:24.050 --> 00:32:24.290
  • preaching last night?
  • 00:32:24.290 --> 00:32:25.160
  • "Chris has the same haircut
  • 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:26.030
  • as Joel Houston."
  • 00:32:26.030 --> 00:32:27.070
  • - Mel: [laughing]
  • 00:32:27.070 --> 00:32:29.100
  • [crosstalk]
  • 00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:30.120
  • - Christine: But I wash mine.
  • 00:32:30.120 --> 00:32:31.050
  • - Mel: Yeah.
  • 00:32:31.050 --> 00:32:32.020
  • - Steve: That's exactly
  • 00:32:32.020 --> 00:32:32.290
  • what I said.
  • 00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:33.160
  • - Steve: Hey.
  • 00:32:44.050 --> 00:32:44.240
  • - Mel: Hey.
  • 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.130
  • - Christine: Man, I'm pumped
  • 00:32:45.130 --> 00:32:46.010
  • to be here.
  • 00:32:46.010 --> 00:32:46.130
  • - Mel: Yeah?
  • 00:32:46.130 --> 00:32:47.000
  • How good is it?
  • 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:47.260
  • You're with us.
  • 00:32:47.260 --> 00:32:48.110
  • - Steve: Can I just say--?
  • 00:32:48.110 --> 00:32:49.020
  • Was it last night you spoke
  • 00:32:49.020 --> 00:32:49.220
  • or the night before?
  • 00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:50.190
  • - Mel: No, last night.
  • 00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:51.080
  • - Christine: Last night.
  • 00:32:51.080 --> 00:32:51.240
  • - Steve: Oh my gosh,
  • 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.120
  • you were amazing.
  • 00:32:52.120 --> 00:32:53.020
  • - Mel: C'mon, mate.
  • 00:32:53.020 --> 00:32:54.000
  • - Christine: Aren't you kind?
  • 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.210
  • - Steve: It was awesome.
  • 00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:55.110
  • That's a great message.
  • 00:32:55.110 --> 00:32:56.000
  • How ya doin'?
  • 00:32:58.010 --> 00:32:58.270
  • How's conference treatin' you
  • 00:32:58.270 --> 00:32:59.260
  • this year?
  • 00:32:59.260 --> 00:33:00.130
  • - Christine: I've loved it.
  • 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:01.010
  • I've loved every second.
  • 00:33:01.010 --> 00:33:01.260
  • So it's been nice.
  • 00:33:01.260 --> 00:33:02.240
  • Nice to be home,
  • 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.140
  • back in the land down under.
  • 00:33:03.140 --> 00:33:04.200
  • - Steve: Oh, yeah--
  • 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.050
  • - Mel: Yeah.
  • 00:33:05.050 --> 00:33:05.290
  • Do you get back here often?
  • 00:33:05.290 --> 00:33:07.050
  • - Christine: I pretty much,
  • 00:33:07.050 --> 00:33:09.050
  • only two or three times a year
  • 00:33:09.050 --> 00:33:10.120
  • nowadays.
  • 00:33:10.120 --> 00:33:10.290
  • Nick comes back loads more.
  • 00:33:10.290 --> 00:33:12.190
  • But I've got the kids in school,
  • 00:33:12.190 --> 00:33:13.110
  • so--
  • 00:33:13.110 --> 00:33:14.030
  • - Mel: Yeah.
  • 00:33:14.030 --> 00:33:14.190
  • So Colour,
  • 00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:15.050
  • you come here for Colour?
  • 00:33:15.050 --> 00:33:15.290
  • - Christine: Always.
  • 00:33:15.290 --> 00:33:16.210
  • Colour and Hillsong,
  • 00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:17.110
  • and then something else.
  • 00:33:17.110 --> 00:33:18.140
  • - Mel: Like Christmas
  • 00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:19.000
  • or something.
  • 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:19.150
  • - Christine: Which is
  • 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:20.000
  • pretty awesome.
  • 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:20.290
  • But I love it.
  • 00:33:20.290 --> 00:33:21.140
  • But the weather's not been
  • 00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:22.050
  • great.
  • 00:33:22.050 --> 00:33:22.200
  • But conference has been awesome.
  • 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.240
  • - Mel: It has been awesome.
  • 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:26.130
  • - Steve: A bit dodgy out there.
  • 00:33:26.130 --> 00:33:27.060
  • Now, listen, this is
  • 00:33:27.060 --> 00:33:27.260
  • your great new book here.
  • 00:33:27.260 --> 00:33:28.280
  • - Mel: We've got it.
  • 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:30.010
  • "Unashamed."
  • 00:33:30.010 --> 00:33:31.010
  • - Christine: I am unashamed of
  • 00:33:31.010 --> 00:33:31.290
  • that chick on the front cover.
  • 00:33:31.290 --> 00:33:33.100
  • - Mel: Yes, that's awesome.
  • 00:33:33.100 --> 00:33:34.180
  • - Christine: Body double.
  • 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:36.040
  • - both: [laughing]
  • 00:33:36.040 --> 00:33:39.000
  • - Christine: No.
  • 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.160
  • - Steve: Your hair
  • 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.010
  • is different.
  • 00:33:40.010 --> 00:33:40.210
  • - Christine: My hair, yeah,
  • 00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:41.110
  • look how much shorter it is.
  • 00:33:41.110 --> 00:33:42.230
  • I feel like that, look,
  • 00:33:42.230 --> 00:33:43.220
  • every time I put that up
  • 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:44.160
  • against me, I go,
  • 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.090
  • "That really is me.
  • 00:33:45.090 --> 00:33:46.100
  • I've got a few more inches."
  • 00:33:46.100 --> 00:33:47.260
  • I'm growing my hair
  • 00:33:47.260 --> 00:33:48.230
  • at the moment.
  • 00:33:48.230 --> 00:33:49.110
  • - Mel: Are you?
  • 00:33:49.110 --> 00:33:49.260
  • - Steve: So you know what
  • 00:33:49.260 --> 00:33:50.120
  • someone said to me while you
  • 00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:51.030
  • were preaching last night?
  • 00:33:51.030 --> 00:33:52.050
  • - Christine: No, what?
  • 00:33:52.050 --> 00:33:53.130
  • - Steve: They said,
  • 00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:53.280
  • "Hey, look,
  • 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:54.170
  • Chris has the same haircut
  • 00:33:54.170 --> 00:33:55.060
  • as Joel Houston."
  • 00:33:55.060 --> 00:33:57.050
  • - Mel: [laughing]
  • 00:33:57.050 --> 00:33:58.170
  • [crosstalk]
  • 00:33:58.170 --> 00:33:59.250
  • - Christine: But I wash mine.
  • 00:33:59.250 --> 00:34:00.180
  • - Mel: Yeah.
  • 00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:01.080
  • - Steve: That's exactly
  • 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:02.120
  • what I said.
  • 00:34:02.120 --> 00:34:03.030
  • - Mel: You wash yours.
  • 00:34:03.030 --> 00:34:03.240
  • - Steve: Tell us about
  • 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:04.150
  • how it was writing this.
  • 00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:05.090
  • - Christine: You know, for me,
  • 00:34:05.090 --> 00:34:06.070
  • it was, this is, of all my
  • 00:34:06.070 --> 00:34:07.270
  • books, the most deeply personal.
  • 00:34:07.270 --> 00:34:09.080
  • But the number one issue, guys,
  • 00:34:09.080 --> 00:34:10.180
  • that I have struggled with more
  • 00:34:10.180 --> 00:34:13.020
  • than any other issue in my life
  • 00:34:13.020 --> 00:34:15.050
  • is the whole issue of shame,
  • 00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:16.260
  • that feeling of unworthiness,
  • 00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.130
  • that feeling of,
  • 00:34:18.130 --> 00:34:20.000
  • "I'm not enough.
  • 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:20.240
  • I'm not good enough.
  • 00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:21.140
  • I'm not smart enough.
  • 00:34:21.140 --> 00:34:22.040
  • I'm not talented enough."
  • 00:34:22.040 --> 00:34:24.030
  • And I think I came, obviously,
  • 00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:25.130
  • in my case, you know, I came
  • 00:34:25.130 --> 00:34:26.120
  • from a background of abuse
  • 00:34:26.120 --> 00:34:28.040
  • and abandonment in a hospital.
  • 00:34:28.040 --> 00:34:29.240
  • So there was
  • 00:34:29.240 --> 00:34:30.230
  • a lot of fundamental feeling
  • 00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:33.240
  • of unworthiness.
  • 00:34:33.240 --> 00:34:34.180
  • But then even growing up
  • 00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:36.000
  • as an immigrant over here
  • 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.230
  • in Australia,
  • 00:34:38.230 --> 00:34:40.170
  • I was called names all the time
  • 00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:42.140
  • because we were Greek.
  • 00:34:42.140 --> 00:34:43.220
  • You know, you Aussies liked
  • 00:34:43.220 --> 00:34:44.150
  • your Vegemite sandwiches.
  • 00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:46.060
  • And I notice, I said,
  • 00:34:46.060 --> 00:34:47.210
  • "You Aussies."
  • 00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:48.150
  • - Steve: I was called names
  • 00:34:48.150 --> 00:34:49.020
  • too, but it was--
  • 00:34:49.020 --> 00:34:50.210
  • - Christine: But you know,
  • 00:34:50.210 --> 00:34:52.200
  • it was kind of you were
  • 00:34:52.200 --> 00:34:53.160
  • the migrant kid.
  • 00:34:53.160 --> 00:34:54.010
  • I'm sure that's why I went to
  • 00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:54.210
  • uni and got an English degree.
  • 00:34:54.210 --> 00:34:56.040
  • I was sort of was like,
  • 00:34:56.040 --> 00:34:56.240
  • "I'm gonna speak English better
  • 00:34:56.240 --> 00:34:58.030
  • than, you know, the Aussies."
  • 00:34:58.030 --> 00:34:59.120
  • But I think a lot of that is
  • 00:34:59.120 --> 00:35:01.260
  • basically, I really believe it's
  • 00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:03.180
  • a plan of the enemy to make us
  • 00:35:03.180 --> 00:35:05.200
  • all feel like we are not enough.
  • 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:07.090
  • Like, who doesn't,
  • 00:35:07.090 --> 00:35:08.090
  • in today's world, feel like,
  • 00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:09.090
  • "I'm not good enough.
  • 00:35:09.090 --> 00:35:10.050
  • I'm not smart enough.
  • 00:35:10.050 --> 00:35:11.000
  • I'm not a good enough father.
  • 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.150
  • I'm not a good enough mother.
  • 00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:13.190
  • I'm not a good enough
  • 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:14.120
  • single person."
  • 00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:15.050
  • It's that, and right
  • 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:16.150
  • in the Book of Genesis,
  • 00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:17.150
  • in Genesis 2:25,
  • 00:35:17.150 --> 00:35:18.270
  • the Bible says:
  • 00:35:18.270 --> 00:35:19.200
  • "Adam and Eve were
  • 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:20.120
  • naked and they knew no shame."
  • 00:35:20.150 --> 00:35:23.150
  • Now, God could've said,
  • 00:35:23.150 --> 00:35:24.070
  • "They knew no fear.
  • 00:35:24.070 --> 00:35:25.070
  • They knew no doubt.
  • 00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:26.030
  • They knew--"
  • 00:35:26.030 --> 00:35:26.180
  • But he says the word "shame."
  • 00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:28.060
  • Because right there
  • 00:35:28.060 --> 00:35:29.010
  • in Genesis 3,
  • 00:35:29.010 --> 00:35:30.110
  • when the Fall happens,
  • 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:31.270
  • the serpent comes to Eve
  • 00:35:31.270 --> 00:35:33.020
  • and then Adam and Eve, you know,
  • 00:35:33.020 --> 00:35:34.120
  • they eat of the fruit.
  • 00:35:34.120 --> 00:35:35.050
  • And then God comes walking
  • 00:35:35.050 --> 00:35:36.100
  • through the garden.
  • 00:35:36.100 --> 00:35:37.190
  • The first words he says to
  • 00:35:37.190 --> 00:35:38.250
  • mankind written in the Bible,
  • 00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:40.100
  • "Adam, where are you?
  • 00:35:40.100 --> 00:35:41.260
  • Where are you?"
  • 00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:43.000
  • And he says, "I was naked,
  • 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:43.160
  • ashamed, and so I hid."
  • 00:35:43.160 --> 00:35:46.020
  • And so basically, what we do is
  • 00:35:46.020 --> 00:35:47.080
  • naked and shame makes us run
  • 00:35:47.080 --> 00:35:49.120
  • away from God and hide from God
  • 00:35:49.120 --> 00:35:50.290
  • rather than run to him.
  • 00:35:50.290 --> 00:35:52.250
  • And so then the Lord said
  • 00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:53.240
  • to him,
  • 00:35:53.240 --> 00:35:54.110
  • "Who told you?"
  • 00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:55.160
  • And I think that's
  • 00:35:55.160 --> 00:35:56.050
  • the two lies of the enemy.
  • 00:35:56.050 --> 00:35:57.020
  • God's coming, and he's going,
  • 00:35:57.020 --> 00:35:57.280
  • "Where are you?
  • 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.260
  • Why are you minimizing yourself,
  • 00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:00.040
  • restricting yourself?
  • 00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:01.040
  • And who told you
  • 00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:02.010
  • that you're not enough?
  • 00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:03.040
  • Who told you that you couldn't
  • 00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:04.020
  • do what I called you to do?"
  • 00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:04.270
  • And you know,
  • 00:36:04.270 --> 00:36:05.130
  • I have a devotional
  • 00:36:05.130 --> 00:36:07.050
  • on the YouVersion app.
  • 00:36:07.050 --> 00:36:09.020
  • And it's a 40-day devotional.
  • 00:36:09.020 --> 00:36:10.190
  • Because I believe that it all
  • 00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:11.180
  • starts with renewing your mind.
  • 00:36:11.180 --> 00:36:12.250
  • And you know, I couldn't believe
  • 00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:15.130
  • in a message more.
  • 00:36:15.130 --> 00:36:16.040
  • This is more than a book.
  • 00:36:16.040 --> 00:36:16.280
  • It's my life message.
  • 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:17.250
  • I mean, I am so transparent
  • 00:36:17.250 --> 00:36:19.280
  • with even in the last 2 years.
  • 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.230
  • You know, I went and got deeper
  • 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:24.210
  • counseling 'cause it's like,
  • 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:26.010
  • I call it,
  • 00:36:26.010 --> 00:36:26.160
  • "The bungee cord of shame."
  • 00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:27.270
  • This stuff came back and hit me.
  • 00:36:27.270 --> 00:36:28.280
  • And like these people, you know,
  • 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.050
  • I think that saw me last night
  • 00:36:30.050 --> 00:36:31.240
  • and they're like,
  • 00:36:31.240 --> 00:36:32.110
  • "Oh my gosh,
  • 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:32.270
  • Chris Caine's on that stage."
  • 00:36:32.270 --> 00:36:34.010
  • And you know,
  • 00:36:34.010 --> 00:36:34.160
  • "She's preaching
  • 00:36:34.160 --> 00:36:35.050
  • and teaching, and she's running
  • 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:36.000
  • A21, and surely, there's nothin'
  • 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.290
  • she's gotta struggle with."
  • 00:36:38.290 --> 00:36:40.080
  • 'Cause, of course, none of us
  • 00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:41.020
  • struggle with anything, ever.
  • 00:36:41.020 --> 00:36:42.090
  • No.
  • 00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:42.260
  • I knew that.
  • 00:36:42.260 --> 00:36:43.160
  • Especially Mel.
  • 00:36:43.160 --> 00:36:44.180
  • No, never.
  • 00:36:44.180 --> 00:36:45.090
  • You're perfect?
  • 00:36:45.090 --> 00:36:46.040
  • - Mel: I've never struggled
  • 00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:46.210
  • with anything in my whole life.
  • 00:36:46.210 --> 00:36:47.100
  • - Christine:
  • 00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:47.200
  • In your whole life, mate.
  • 00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:48.100
  • And so, my deal is that
  • 00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:51.050
  • I think if we can become
  • 00:36:51.050 --> 00:36:51.290
  • and transparent and say,
  • 00:36:51.290 --> 00:36:53.230
  • "We can fight this
  • 00:36:53.230 --> 00:36:54.220
  • from victory."
  • 00:36:54.220 --> 00:36:55.160
  • The biggest shock
  • 00:36:55.160 --> 00:36:56.140
  • has been people going to me,
  • 00:36:56.140 --> 00:36:58.020
  • "I never thought it was me."
  • 00:36:58.020 --> 00:36:59.290
  • 'Cause no one wants to say,
  • 00:36:59.290 --> 00:37:01.120
  • "I've got shame."
  • 00:37:01.120 --> 00:37:02.050
  • Especially guys.
  • 00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:02.260
  • I love you all.
  • 00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:03.130
  • But they're, like, reading it,
  • 00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:04.120
  • going, "You're kidding.
  • 00:37:04.120 --> 00:37:05.200
  • I never thought it was me.
  • 00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:08.050
  • I didn't realize that this was
  • 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:10.100
  • the underlying root
  • 00:37:10.100 --> 00:37:12.180
  • of so many issues of my life,
  • 00:37:12.180 --> 00:37:14.130
  • which is right there."
  • 00:37:14.130 --> 00:37:15.080
  • - Steve: Yeah, absolutely.
  • 00:37:15.080 --> 00:37:16.080
  • Oh, that's awesome.
  • 00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:17.060
  • Tell us about the A21.
  • 00:37:17.060 --> 00:37:19.060
  • - Christine: Yeah,
  • 00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:19.280
  • which is fantastic.
  • 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:20.240
  • - Steve: It's doing
  • 00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:21.120
  • amazing things.
  • 00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:22.000
  • And every time I talk to you
  • 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:22.270
  • guys, there's something great
  • 00:37:22.270 --> 00:37:23.260
  • happening.
  • 00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:25.140
  • - Christine: Yeah, I love it.
  • 00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:26.130
  • It's just, well, you know,
  • 00:37:26.130 --> 00:37:27.170
  • we help to rescue the victims
  • 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:28.090
  • of human trafficking
  • 00:37:28.090 --> 00:37:28.280
  • all over the world.
  • 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.190
  • And now we've got 14 offices
  • 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:32.120
  • in 12 countries,
  • 00:37:32.120 --> 00:37:33.200
  • and amazing things happening.
  • 00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.200
  • We're highly involved also with
  • 00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:38.070
  • the refugee crisis, you know?
  • 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:39.210
  • Because the refugees are the
  • 00:37:39.210 --> 00:37:40.270
  • most vulnerable in that risk of
  • 00:37:40.270 --> 00:37:42.240
  • being trafficked 'cause nobody
  • 00:37:42.240 --> 00:37:43.240
  • knows they're missing.
  • 00:37:43.240 --> 00:37:44.230
  • Nobody knows they're gone.
  • 00:37:44.230 --> 00:37:46.070
  • And so we are very involved
  • 00:37:46.070 --> 00:37:47.210
  • in Greece there.
  • 00:37:47.210 --> 00:37:49.000
  • Got a couple of neat little
  • 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:50.000
  • things coming up in October.
  • 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.040
  • We've got
  • 00:37:52.040 --> 00:37:52.210
  • a global Walk for Freedom.
  • 00:37:52.210 --> 00:37:53.250
  • And so there are 256 walks
  • 00:37:53.250 --> 00:37:56.090
  • in 39 countries.
  • 00:37:56.090 --> 00:37:57.140
  • And basically, you're in
  • 00:37:57.140 --> 00:37:58.150
  • single file, and you've got
  • 00:37:58.150 --> 00:37:59.280
  • 3 and 4.000 people,
  • 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.210
  • we have to get all permits
  • 00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:02.290
  • from the cities, in single file,
  • 00:38:02.290 --> 00:38:04.200
  • black tape over their mouth,
  • 00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:06.080
  • A21 T-shirts,
  • 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:07.200
  • just silence, walking for,
  • 00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.190
  • I think, around 8 k's,
  • 00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:12.050
  • and 5 miles.
  • 00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:14.000
  • And just so it's, you got
  • 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.070
  • an hour of absolute silence
  • 00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:17.050
  • through the middle of a city.
  • 00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:18.150
  • Helicopters, and all the press
  • 00:38:18.150 --> 00:38:20.160
  • doing it, and basically,
  • 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:21.250
  • taking a step for freedom,
  • 00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:23.100
  • having a Walk for Freedom.
  • 00:38:23.100 --> 00:38:24.080
  • So there's 256 of those in
  • 00:38:24.080 --> 00:38:27.080
  • 39 countries really well, that's
  • 00:38:27.080 --> 00:38:30.050
  • gonna raise major awareness.
  • 00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:31.190
  • And then for the Olympics
  • 00:38:31.190 --> 00:38:33.060
  • we've got a campaign called
  • 00:38:33.060 --> 00:38:34.050
  • "It's Not a Penalty."
  • 00:38:34.050 --> 00:38:35.170
  • So 9 major airlines flying into
  • 00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:37.250
  • the Olympics, for the month
  • 00:38:37.250 --> 00:38:39.110
  • leading up and 2 weeks of
  • 00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:40.180
  • the Olympics, show a video that
  • 00:38:40.180 --> 00:38:42.080
  • we've made that basically say,
  • 00:38:42.080 --> 00:38:44.000
  • "If you were caught having sex
  • 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.080
  • with an underage minor
  • 00:38:46.080 --> 00:38:47.040
  • in Brazil, it's a penalty
  • 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:49.150
  • in your country of origin."
  • 00:38:49.150 --> 00:38:50.270
  • 'Cause it used to be if you went
  • 00:38:50.270 --> 00:38:52.190
  • over there, you know, what
  • 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:53.280
  • happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
  • 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.220
  • And then legislation's been
  • 00:38:55.220 --> 00:38:56.250
  • changed.
  • 00:38:56.250 --> 00:38:57.110
  • And we're doing it with the
  • 00:38:57.110 --> 00:38:58.030
  • British government, with UNICEF,
  • 00:38:58.030 --> 00:38:59.250
  • and a few other organizations.
  • 00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:01.200
  • And basically, it's saying that,
  • 00:39:01.200 --> 00:39:03.140
  • "It is never okay.
  • 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:04.240
  • It is not okay."
  • 00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:06.000
  • And that it is,
  • 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.230
  • "It will be a penalty
  • 00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:08.190
  • in your country of origin."
  • 00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:09.290
  • And so, you know, we're still
  • 00:39:09.290 --> 00:39:11.210
  • put traffickers in jail.
  • 00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:13.080
  • We've got a global schools
  • 00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:15.040
  • program that raises prevention
  • 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:16.250
  • and awareness in the midst of
  • 00:39:16.250 --> 00:39:17.290
  • schools so it's quite dynamic.
  • 00:39:17.290 --> 00:39:20.120
  • And watching more and more
  • 00:39:20.120 --> 00:39:21.170
  • people come on board.
  • 00:39:21.170 --> 00:39:23.120
  • So I love it because we don't
  • 00:39:23.120 --> 00:39:24.100
  • wanna just put an ambulance
  • 00:39:24.100 --> 00:39:25.200
  • at the bottom of the cliff.
  • 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:27.060
  • We also wanna put up nets at the
  • 00:39:27.060 --> 00:39:28.260
  • top and stop those systems that
  • 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.000
  • lead to injustice and that lead
  • 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.180
  • to trafficking happening.
  • 00:39:32.180 --> 00:39:33.180
  • So it's a lot happening.
  • 00:39:33.180 --> 00:39:34.110
  • - Steve: Can people involved
  • 00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:34.290
  • in the Walk of Freedom?
  • 00:39:34.290 --> 00:39:35.150
  • - Christine: Yes, absolutely.
  • 00:39:35.150 --> 00:39:36.110
  • If they go to A21.org,
  • 00:39:36.110 --> 00:39:38.140
  • which is really important,
  • 00:39:38.140 --> 00:39:39.080
  • you can register, A21.org.
  • 00:39:39.080 --> 00:39:41.190
  • There's 256 walks,
  • 00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:43.030
  • so there's one that you can
  • 00:39:43.030 --> 00:39:44.060
  • register to.
  • 00:39:44.060 --> 00:39:44.240
  • And you have to go to
  • 00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:45.130
  • a registered one because
  • 00:39:45.130 --> 00:39:46.140
  • we have to work with law.
  • 00:39:46.140 --> 00:39:47.160
  • I mean, in the world in which we
  • 00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:48.160
  • live in, with so much, you know,
  • 00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:51.120
  • terror and violence,
  • 00:39:51.120 --> 00:39:52.100
  • you have to have--
  • 00:39:52.100 --> 00:39:53.060
  • - Steve: You gotta do it right.
  • 00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:53.250
  • - Christine:
  • 00:39:53.250 --> 00:39:54.130
  • You gotta do it right.
  • 00:39:54.130 --> 00:39:55.000
  • So it's kind of, if you register
  • 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.200
  • for one and do, you know, march
  • 00:39:57.040 --> 00:40:00.040
  • according, walk according to
  • 00:40:00.040 --> 00:40:01.150
  • protocol, then we, together,
  • 00:40:01.150 --> 00:40:04.060
  • we'll make a collective shout.
  • 00:40:04.060 --> 00:40:05.180
  • To have 39 different countries,
  • 00:40:05.180 --> 00:40:06.290
  • every sector of society, people
  • 00:40:06.290 --> 00:40:09.120
  • from all walks of life, unified
  • 00:40:09.120 --> 00:40:11.250
  • around the one thing, which is
  • 00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:13.060
  • just human rights and
  • 00:40:13.060 --> 00:40:14.180
  • the justice of helping to set
  • 00:40:14.180 --> 00:40:16.170
  • people free from trafficking.
  • 00:40:16.170 --> 00:40:18.000
  • - Steve: And how does that--?
  • 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:18.250
  • I mean, obviously, it'll bring
  • 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:19.140
  • awareness to that because
  • 00:40:19.140 --> 00:40:20.070
  • you get a lot of people
  • 00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:21.050
  • standing in line.
  • 00:40:21.050 --> 00:40:21.290
  • But what happens around the walk
  • 00:40:21.290 --> 00:40:23.270
  • that actually tells people
  • 00:40:23.270 --> 00:40:25.000
  • what the points are?
  • 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:26.100
  • - Christine: I wish you could--
  • 00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:27.220
  • the amount of people.
  • 00:40:27.220 --> 00:40:28.090
  • So there are other people
  • 00:40:28.090 --> 00:40:29.030
  • walking around.
  • 00:40:29.030 --> 00:40:29.220
  • There's information booths.
  • 00:40:29.220 --> 00:40:30.190
  • There's tables.
  • 00:40:30.190 --> 00:40:32.010
  • I would say, 'cause, you know,
  • 00:40:32.010 --> 00:40:33.100
  • I walk.
  • 00:40:33.100 --> 00:40:34.040
  • I do the LA walk.
  • 00:40:34.040 --> 00:40:36.130
  • And I mean,
  • 00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:38.020
  • I'm talkin' by the thousands.
  • 00:40:38.020 --> 00:40:39.190
  • People start lining streets.
  • 00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:41.070
  • And then people start comin' up
  • 00:40:41.070 --> 00:40:42.060
  • and asking questions.
  • 00:40:42.060 --> 00:40:43.150
  • And the police love it because
  • 00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:44.210
  • we're so obedient, you know?
  • 00:40:44.210 --> 00:40:45.280
  • So we work with them,
  • 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.030
  • with law enforcement 100%.
  • 00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:49.040
  • But the amount of questions
  • 00:40:49.040 --> 00:40:51.060
  • that happen, the media--
  • 00:40:51.060 --> 00:40:52.210
  • - Steve: But you guys
  • 00:40:52.210 --> 00:40:53.060
  • have got tapes over your mouths.
  • 00:40:53.060 --> 00:40:54.050
  • - Christine: Yes, but there are
  • 00:40:54.050 --> 00:40:54.270
  • people walkin as well,
  • 00:40:54.270 --> 00:40:55.220
  • only selected advocates
  • 00:40:55.220 --> 00:40:58.040
  • that walk with them,
  • 00:40:58.040 --> 00:40:59.090
  • but that don't have the tape.
  • 00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:01.240
  • And they're allowed to be, like,
  • 00:41:01.240 --> 00:41:02.290
  • spokespeople.
  • 00:41:02.290 --> 00:41:03.190
  • So when the media turns up,
  • 00:41:03.190 --> 00:41:04.090
  • when someone comes.
  • 00:41:04.090 --> 00:41:05.260
  • So and then we have, at the
  • 00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:08.140
  • beginning of the walk, and at
  • 00:41:08.140 --> 00:41:09.120
  • the end of the walk, right in
  • 00:41:09.120 --> 00:41:10.180
  • the center, so last year in
  • 00:41:10.180 --> 00:41:12.130
  • Anaheim, right on the property
  • 00:41:12.130 --> 00:41:14.040
  • there at Disneyland,
  • 00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:15.020
  • we had stages set up.
  • 00:41:15.020 --> 00:41:16.110
  • And I'm able to do an
  • 00:41:16.110 --> 00:41:17.250
  • information and awareness,
  • 00:41:17.250 --> 00:41:19.210
  • kinda, motivational speech
  • 00:41:19.210 --> 00:41:21.170
  • about just injustice and about
  • 00:41:21.170 --> 00:41:24.040
  • standing together as a community
  • 00:41:24.040 --> 00:41:25.290
  • and rallying, no matter where,
  • 00:41:25.290 --> 00:41:27.270
  • what our background is,
  • 00:41:27.270 --> 00:41:28.210
  • you know, rallying around
  • 00:41:28.210 --> 00:41:29.270
  • this cause.
  • 00:41:29.270 --> 00:41:30.270
  • And it is unbelievable to see
  • 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.280
  • the progress that's being made.
  • 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.010
  • Now, it's just, it's an,
  • 00:41:36.010 --> 00:41:37.100
  • the needle is moving slowly,
  • 00:41:37.100 --> 00:41:38.210
  • but it's moving.
  • 00:41:38.210 --> 00:41:39.160
  • You know, it's moving in the
  • 00:41:39.160 --> 00:41:40.050
  • right direction, which is great.
  • 00:41:40.050 --> 00:41:41.050
  • - Steve: There's still a long
  • 00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:41.230
  • way to go, right?
  • 00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:42.090
  • - Christine: Oh, yeah,
  • 00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:42.280
  • without a doubt.
  • 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:43.150
  • Man, we're talkin'
  • 00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:44.010
  • 30 million-plus people
  • 00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:44.270
  • in slavery today.
  • 00:41:44.270 --> 00:41:46.020
  • - Steve: Yeah, right.
  • 00:41:46.020 --> 00:41:46.250
  • - Christine: But the more we do
  • 00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:48.280
  • this, when I think where it was
  • 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.000
  • 8 years ago to where it is now,
  • 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.220
  • I mean, even the fact
  • 00:41:52.220 --> 00:41:53.090
  • that we are so much aware.
  • 00:41:53.090 --> 00:41:55.010
  • I mean, none of us knew about it
  • 00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:56.000
  • 8 years ago.
  • 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.250
  • And it's become--
  • 00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:58.020
  • - Mel: That's so true.
  • 00:41:58.020 --> 00:41:58.290
  • We didn't.
  • 00:41:58.290 --> 00:41:59.160
  • And all this was going on
  • 00:41:59.160 --> 00:42:00.060
  • right under our noses
  • 00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:01.240
  • and we were just--
  • 00:42:01.240 --> 00:42:02.260
  • - Christine: Didn't have
  • 00:42:02.260 --> 00:42:03.140
  • a clue.
  • 00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:04.010
  • And you think now it's become,
  • 00:42:04.010 --> 00:42:04.280
  • you know, one of our major,
  • 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.250
  • kind of, focuses--
  • 00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:07.210
  • - Steve: And not something
  • 00:42:07.210 --> 00:42:08.110
  • we can move away from.
  • 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:09.100
  • So how can people who are
  • 00:42:09.100 --> 00:42:11.090
  • maybe watching and go,
  • 00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:12.020
  • "Oh, I need to get involved
  • 00:42:12.020 --> 00:42:12.240
  • in that,"
  • 00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:13.090
  • how can they give?
  • 00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:14.070
  • - Christine: That's awesome.
  • 00:42:14.070 --> 00:42:14.270
  • - Steve: Not just in the walk,
  • 00:42:14.270 --> 00:42:15.170
  • but in general.
  • 00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:16.050
  • - Christine: I think with that,
  • 00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:16.280
  • if you go to A21.org
  • 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.160
  • and press the "donate" button.
  • 00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.220
  • - Steve: Okay.
  • 00:42:19.220 --> 00:42:20.100
  • - Mel: Right.
  • 00:42:20.100 --> 00:42:21.010
  • - Christine: It's so easy.
  • 00:42:21.010 --> 00:42:21.190
  • It's one click away.
  • 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:22.090
  • And people go, "Does my giving
  • 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:23.050
  • really make a difference?"
  • 00:42:23.050 --> 00:42:24.090
  • And I'm saying, "Absolutely."
  • 00:42:24.090 --> 00:42:25.060
  • What happens, guys, is people
  • 00:42:25.060 --> 00:42:27.030
  • watch the movie "Taken"
  • 00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:28.160
  • and so they think,
  • 00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:29.260
  • "Man, I've got a particular set
  • 00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:30.240
  • of skills.
  • 00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:31.100
  • I wanna go over there and use
  • 00:42:31.100 --> 00:42:32.080
  • 'em on someone," you know?
  • 00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:33.120
  • But the way we can be most
  • 00:42:33.120 --> 00:42:36.070
  • effective is to work together
  • 00:42:36.120 --> 00:42:39.120
  • with organizations like A21 that
  • 00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:41.010
  • have got an infrastructure in
  • 00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:42.000
  • place, that have got agreements
  • 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.010
  • with governments and law
  • 00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:44.080
  • enforcement, and a systematic
  • 00:42:44.080 --> 00:42:45.230
  • process to help, you know, break
  • 00:42:45.230 --> 00:42:47.290
  • down this injustice at the top.
  • 00:42:47.290 --> 00:42:49.210
  • So, you know, we are ECFA
  • 00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:52.000
  • approved, which just means that
  • 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.030
  • we have the highest level of
  • 00:42:53.030 --> 00:42:54.100
  • accountability when it comes
  • 00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:55.130
  • to giving.
  • 00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:56.120
  • And so you know you are giving
  • 00:42:56.120 --> 00:42:57.190
  • to an organization that
  • 00:42:57.190 --> 00:42:59.240
  • is proven, tried, tested,
  • 00:42:59.240 --> 00:43:01.260
  • ECFA approved.
  • 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:03.070
  • So, you know, we are looked at
  • 00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:06.010
  • under a microscope to make sure
  • 00:43:06.010 --> 00:43:07.170
  • that, you know, your money goes
  • 00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:08.290
  • where it's meant to go,
  • 00:43:08.290 --> 00:43:10.000
  • as it should.
  • 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:10.150
  • And so it's awesome.
  • 00:43:10.150 --> 00:43:11.190
  • - Steve: Oh, that's great.
  • 00:43:11.190 --> 00:43:12.060
  • Make sure you do that.
  • 00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:12.240
  • A21.org.
  • 00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:14.270
  • A21.org.
  • 00:43:14.270 --> 00:43:16.040
  • - Christine: Yes, A21.org.
  • 00:43:16.040 --> 00:43:16.210
  • You got it.
  • 00:43:16.210 --> 00:43:17.040
  • - Steve: People go ahead
  • 00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:17.220
  • and click that button,
  • 00:43:17.220 --> 00:43:19.010
  • - Christine: Peter walked
  • 00:43:23.160 --> 00:43:24.020
  • on water.
  • 00:43:24.020 --> 00:43:24.250
  • The woman with the issue of
  • 00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:25.240
  • blood, she was healed.
  • 00:43:25.240 --> 00:43:27.200
  • Paul and Silas
  • 00:43:27.200 --> 00:43:28.270
  • got out of prison.
  • 00:43:28.270 --> 00:43:30.070
  • The little boy's lunch
  • 00:43:30.070 --> 00:43:31.130
  • fed 5.000.
  • 00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:33.010
  • And Jesus Christ got off that
  • 00:43:33.010 --> 00:43:35.050
  • cross and he defeated hell,
  • 00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:37.160
  • and he defeated death.
  • 00:43:37.160 --> 00:43:39.070
  • And that same Spirit that raised
  • 00:43:39.070 --> 00:43:41.160
  • Jesus from the dead lives
  • 00:43:41.160 --> 00:43:43.150
  • - Christine: "Mary said,
  • 00:43:57.040 --> 00:43:57.200
  • 'Let it be to me
  • 00:43:57.200 --> 00:43:58.070
  • according to your word.'"
  • 00:43:58.070 --> 00:43:59.180
  • See, one word from God
  • 00:43:59.180 --> 00:44:00.120
  • can keep you on track.
  • 00:44:00.120 --> 00:44:02.120
  • And 20 years ago, of all the
  • 00:44:02.120 --> 00:44:03.200
  • words that I've gotten, and I'm
  • 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.060
  • one of those people that listens
  • 00:44:05.060 --> 00:44:06.130
  • to them regularly, but one word
  • 00:44:06.130 --> 00:44:09.000
  • that I've listened to,
  • 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.160
  • I'm probably not exaggerating
  • 00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:11.200
  • at all if I say, "500 times."
  • 00:44:11.200 --> 00:44:13.090
  • It would be more.
  • 00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:15.050
  • The word that has kept me on
  • 00:44:15.050 --> 00:44:16.200
  • track for 20 years since I got
  • 00:44:16.200 --> 00:44:18.000
  • it, when everything in me
  • 00:44:19.090 --> 00:44:22.090
  • was challenged, when everything
  • 00:44:22.090 --> 00:44:24.130
  • in me just thought,
  • 00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:25.110
  • "I wanna give up,"
  • 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:26.210
  • when everything in me
  • 00:44:26.210 --> 00:44:27.110
  • wanted to walk away,
  • 00:44:27.110 --> 00:44:28.130
  • when everything in me wanted
  • 00:44:28.130 --> 00:44:29.080
  • to disconnect as just being part
  • 00:44:29.080 --> 00:44:31.040
  • of life, one word,
  • 00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:33.270
  • "Mary said, 'Let it be to me
  • 00:44:33.270 --> 00:44:34.200
  • according to your word.'"
  • 00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:37.100
  • And so it's nice to see it.
  • 00:44:37.100 --> 00:44:40.040
  • Because 20 years ago, if you've
  • 00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:41.170
  • got those pictures, 20-odd years
  • 00:44:41.170 --> 00:44:44.000
  • ago, you know, mate, there was
  • 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.080
  • potential for that girl power
  • 00:44:45.080 --> 00:44:46.150
  • ministry school, go for it.
  • 00:44:46.150 --> 00:44:49.040
  • And I know
  • 00:44:49.040 --> 00:44:49.220
  • you can't even recognize that
  • 00:44:49.220 --> 00:44:51.190
  • so you can take them off
  • 00:44:51.190 --> 00:44:52.150
  • 'cause it's a bit daunting.
  • 00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:53.190
  • But that was there.
  • 00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:56.050
  • You couldn't have picked that
  • 00:44:56.050 --> 00:44:57.220
  • 20 years ago.
  • 00:44:57.220 --> 00:44:58.210
  • If you had've seen me
  • 00:44:58.210 --> 00:44:59.180
  • 20 years ago,
  • 00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:00.210
  • you wouldn't have picked it.
  • 00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:01.200
  • But the key in all of that was,
  • 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:03.190
  • "You know what?
  • 00:45:03.190 --> 00:45:04.180
  • God, let it be to me according
  • 00:45:04.180 --> 00:45:06.040
  • to your word."
  • 00:45:06.040 --> 00:45:07.040
  • Stay planted.
  • 00:45:07.040 --> 00:45:08.130
  • Stay committed.
  • 00:45:08.130 --> 00:45:09.160
  • Stay faithful.
  • 00:45:09.160 --> 00:45:10.220
  • Stay loyal.
  • 00:45:10.220 --> 00:45:11.260
  • The enemy will come
  • 00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:12.280
  • and take you off track.
  • 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.020
  • But if you, above all else,
  • 00:45:14.020 --> 00:45:15.250
  • make a decision that
  • 00:45:15.250 --> 00:45:17.030
  • you are going to stay planted,
  • 00:45:17.030 --> 00:45:19.240
  • that you are gonna say,
  • 00:45:19.240 --> 00:45:20.290
  • "God, you gave me that word.
  • 00:45:20.290 --> 00:45:22.190
  • I am not disconnecting.
  • 00:45:22.190 --> 00:45:24.150
  • I'm not gonna try to make
  • 00:45:24.150 --> 00:45:25.220
  • this happen on my own.
  • 00:45:25.220 --> 00:45:27.110
  • I will look foolish
  • 00:45:27.110 --> 00:45:28.260
  • to the world.
  • 00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.000
  • I am prepared to do whatever
  • 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.170
  • it takes to see this come
  • 00:45:31.170 --> 00:45:33.210
  • to fruition."
  • 00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:34.210
  • Some of you, you need to take
  • 00:45:34.210 --> 00:45:36.060
  • some words off the shelf,
  • 00:45:36.060 --> 00:45:38.010
  • and you need to begin
  • 00:45:38.010 --> 00:45:39.030
  • to believe God again.
  • 00:45:39.030 --> 00:45:40.190
  • You need to believe
  • 00:45:40.190 --> 00:45:41.230
  • to see God to activate something
  • 00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:43.270
  • in your life again.
  • 00:45:43.270 --> 00:45:45.120
  • You need to stop thinking
  • 00:45:45.120 --> 00:45:46.230
  • it's impossible because
  • 00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:48.060
  • you can't see it in the natural.
  • 00:45:48.060 --> 00:45:49.220
  • Some of you have deviated and
  • 00:45:49.220 --> 00:45:51.130
  • gone off course 'cause you said,
  • 00:45:51.130 --> 00:45:52.230
  • "You know what?
  • 00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:53.140
  • It looks really ridiculous if
  • 00:45:53.140 --> 00:45:55.040
  • I keep trying to do it this way,
  • 00:45:55.040 --> 00:45:57.190
  • if I keep trying
  • 00:45:57.190 --> 00:45:58.220
  • to wait for God."
  • 00:45:58.220 --> 00:45:59.230
  • And God's saying,
  • 00:45:59.230 --> 00:46:00.230
  • "You know what?
  • 00:46:00.230 --> 00:46:01.150
  • A little pregnant teenage girl,
  • 00:46:01.150 --> 00:46:02.280
  • she looked really foolish when
  • 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.150
  • she said, 'I was carrying God.'"
  • 00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:06.170
  • For 20 years I would come
  • 00:46:06.170 --> 00:46:07.240
  • to these conference
  • 00:46:07.240 --> 00:46:09.040
  • and it looked ridiculous.
  • 00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:10.220
  • Who would've ever thought that
  • 00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:11.260
  • somebody like me, from the back
  • 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:13.220
  • of Blacktown, that God would
  • 00:46:13.220 --> 00:46:15.080
  • raise up to fulfill that word
  • 00:46:15.080 --> 00:46:16.280
  • given 20 years ago?
  • 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.010
  • But let me tell you something,
  • 00:46:19.010 --> 00:46:20.170
  • no word from God,
  • 00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:22.130
  • or the Word of God,
  • 00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:24.040
  • will ever return void.
  • 00:46:24.040 --> 00:46:25.280
  • God's Word will always, always,
  • 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.170
  • always prevail.
  • 00:46:28.170 --> 00:46:30.100
  • And just as I end,
  • 00:46:30.100 --> 00:46:31.280
  • I wanna tell you this.
  • 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.140
  • Look at this in the NET Bible,
  • 00:46:33.140 --> 00:46:35.020
  • this version in verse 38:
  • 00:46:35.020 --> 00:46:36.160
  • "Mary said,
  • 00:46:36.160 --> 00:46:37.130
  • 'Yes, I am a servant of
  • 00:46:37.130 --> 00:46:39.030
  • the Lord; let this happen to me
  • 00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:41.040
  • according to your word.'"
  • 00:46:41.040 --> 00:46:42.210
  • Some of you,
  • 00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:43.200
  • you've gotten prophetic words,
  • 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:45.110
  • and you wanna blog
  • 00:46:45.110 --> 00:46:46.040
  • about them, tweet about them,
  • 00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:47.040
  • tell everyone about them.
  • 00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:48.030
  • You wanna do anything but
  • 00:46:48.030 --> 00:46:50.000
  • go through the process to see
  • 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.250
  • that word come to life.
  • 00:46:51.250 --> 00:46:53.240
  • And what happens is
  • 00:46:53.240 --> 00:46:54.270
  • she conceived, but it was still
  • 00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:56.280
  • 9 months until it was birthed.
  • 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.010
  • I might have got that word
  • 00:46:59.010 --> 00:47:00.060
  • 20 years ago.
  • 00:47:00.060 --> 00:47:01.070
  • It took 20 years
  • 00:47:01.070 --> 00:47:02.170
  • for it to come to pass.
  • 00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:04.070
  • You've gotta not ever give up on
  • 00:47:04.070 --> 00:47:06.250
  • the promise that God has put
  • 00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:08.130
  • on the inside of you, no matter
  • 00:47:08.130 --> 00:47:10.060
  • how ridiculous it looks.
  • 00:47:10.060 --> 00:47:11.250
  • But God needs you to say, "Yes."
  • 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:14.010
  • God needs you to be prepared
  • 00:47:14.010 --> 00:47:16.230
  • to look ridiculous.
  • 00:47:16.230 --> 00:47:18.210
  • The Bible is full of people from
  • 00:47:18.210 --> 00:47:20.270
  • Genesis to Revelation who said,
  • 00:47:20.270 --> 00:47:23.270
  • "Yes," to God, and who were
  • 00:47:23.270 --> 00:47:25.130
  • prepared to look foolish.
  • 00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:27.230
  • When people would've overlooked
  • 00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:29.090
  • them, people would've pushed
  • 00:47:29.090 --> 00:47:30.180
  • them aside,
  • 00:47:30.180 --> 00:47:31.140
  • people would've said, "No way.
  • 00:47:31.140 --> 00:47:33.010
  • It's not possible."
  • 00:47:33.010 --> 00:47:34.100
  • They hung onto a word,
  • 00:47:34.100 --> 00:47:36.110
  • and they hung onto the Word,
  • 00:47:36.110 --> 00:47:38.120
  • and it came to pass.
  • 00:47:38.120 --> 00:47:40.040
  • Noah looked foolish building
  • 00:47:40.040 --> 00:47:42.090
  • an ark in the desert.
  • 00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:43.280
  • Moses looked foolish with
  • 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.110
  • a little stick and a Red Sea
  • 00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:47.190
  • in front of him.
  • 00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:48.220
  • Sarah looked foolish at
  • 00:47:48.220 --> 00:47:50.100
  • the maternity section in Target
  • 00:47:50.100 --> 00:47:52.200
  • at 90 years old.
  • 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:54.070
  • The Israelites looked foolish
  • 00:47:54.070 --> 00:47:56.050
  • marching around
  • 00:47:56.050 --> 00:47:57.050
  • the walls of Jericho.
  • 00:47:57.050 --> 00:47:58.160
  • David looked foolish with
  • 00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:00.030
  • a little slingshot and Goliath
  • 00:48:00.030 --> 00:48:01.250
  • in front of him.
  • 00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:03.060
  • Esther looked foolish going to
  • 00:48:03.060 --> 00:48:05.060
  • a king when she was not called.
  • 00:48:05.060 --> 00:48:07.200
  • The lepers looked foolish
  • 00:48:07.200 --> 00:48:09.180
  • marching into Samaria.
  • 00:48:09.180 --> 00:48:11.080
  • Caleb looked foolish at 85,
  • 00:48:11.080 --> 00:48:14.070
  • choosing not to retire.
  • 00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:16.000
  • Mary looked foolish
  • 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.180
  • as a pregnant virgin.
  • 00:48:17.180 --> 00:48:19.140
  • The wise men looked foolish
  • 00:48:19.140 --> 00:48:21.120
  • following a star.
  • 00:48:21.120 --> 00:48:22.260
  • Peter looked foolish
  • 00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.150
  • stepping out of the boat.
  • 00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:26.010
  • A woman with the issue of blood
  • 00:48:26.010 --> 00:48:27.240
  • looked foolish grabbing the hem
  • 00:48:27.240 --> 00:48:29.120
  • of his garment.
  • 00:48:29.120 --> 00:48:30.160
  • Paul and Silas looked foolish
  • 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:32.170
  • worshiping in prison.
  • 00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:34.090
  • The little boy looked foolish
  • 00:48:34.090 --> 00:48:36.030
  • with 5 loaves, 2 fish,
  • 00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:38.140
  • and 15.000 people.
  • 00:48:38.140 --> 00:48:40.080
  • And Jesus Christ looked foolish
  • 00:48:41.270 --> 00:48:44.270
  • hanging on a cross as people
  • 00:48:44.270 --> 00:48:47.010
  • looked at him and said,
  • 00:48:47.010 --> 00:48:48.200
  • "Ha, that's you Messiah?
  • 00:48:48.200 --> 00:48:50.230
  • That's the Promise?
  • 00:48:50.230 --> 00:48:52.140
  • That's the King of the Jews?
  • 00:48:52.140 --> 00:48:54.160
  • He's the One?"
  • 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:55.240
  • Well, let me tell you, if we
  • 00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:56.220
  • have a generation that are
  • 00:48:56.220 --> 00:48:58.240
  • willing to wait patiently,
  • 00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:01.090
  • 'cause faith and patience bring
  • 00:49:01.090 --> 00:49:02.070
  • the promise, and are willing to
  • 00:49:02.070 --> 00:49:03.240
  • look foolish, and are willing to
  • 00:49:03.240 --> 00:49:05.200
  • defy the logic, and are willing
  • 00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:07.220
  • to not get disconnected, and are
  • 00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:09.080
  • willing to not look slick, and
  • 00:49:09.080 --> 00:49:10.270
  • not look cool, and understand
  • 00:49:10.270 --> 00:49:12.150
  • commitment in a culture that
  • 00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:14.170
  • doesn't understand loyalty, in a
  • 00:49:14.170 --> 00:49:16.160
  • culture that doesn't understand
  • 00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:18.110
  • submission, in a culture that
  • 00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:19.260
  • doesn't--just what would happen
  • 00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:21.120
  • if the church did that?
  • 00:49:21.120 --> 00:49:23.190
  • Because let me tell you
  • 00:49:23.190 --> 00:49:24.170
  • something, because they said,
  • 00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:26.110
  • "Yes," and were willing to look
  • 00:49:26.110 --> 00:49:28.090
  • foolish, this is what happened.
  • 00:49:28.090 --> 00:49:30.130
  • Noah and his family were saved
  • 00:49:30.130 --> 00:49:32.250
  • from the Flood.
  • 00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:33.240
  • Moses saw the Red Sea part.
  • 00:49:33.240 --> 00:49:36.020
  • Sarah did give birth to Isaac.
  • 00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:39.040
  • The Israelites saw
  • 00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:40.220
  • the walls of Jericho fall.
  • 00:49:40.220 --> 00:49:42.130
  • David did defeat Goliath.
  • 00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:44.170
  • Esther stopped
  • 00:49:44.170 --> 00:49:45.160
  • the Jewish genocide.
  • 00:49:45.160 --> 00:49:47.090
  • The lepers saw
  • 00:49:47.090 --> 00:49:48.140
  • the Syrian army flee.
  • 00:49:48.140 --> 00:49:50.060
  • Caleb got Hebron.
  • 00:49:50.060 --> 00:49:51.270
  • Mary gave birth to Jesus.
  • 00:49:51.270 --> 00:49:54.040
  • The wise men found the Messiah.
  • 00:49:54.040 --> 00:49:56.110
  • Peter walked on water.
  • 00:49:56.110 --> 00:49:58.040
  • The women with the issue
  • 00:49:58.040 --> 00:49:59.070
  • of blood, she was healed.
  • 00:49:59.070 --> 00:50:00.280
  • Paul and Silas
  • 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.030
  • got out of prison.
  • 00:50:02.030 --> 00:50:03.150
  • The little boy's lunch
  • 00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:04.240
  • fed 5.000.
  • 00:50:04.240 --> 00:50:06.120
  • And Jesus Christ got off that
  • 00:50:06.120 --> 00:50:08.110
  • cross, and he defeated hell,
  • 00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:10.230
  • and he defeated death.
  • 00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:12.180
  • And that same Spirit that raised
  • 00:50:12.180 --> 00:50:14.240
  • Jesus from the dead lives
  • 00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:16.270
  • on the inside of you and me.
  • 00:50:17.040 --> 00:50:20.040
  • And Jesus said, "Go ye into
  • 00:50:20.040 --> 00:50:22.260
  • all the world, make disciples
  • 00:50:23.020 --> 00:50:26.020
  • so they will come home."
  • 00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:30.020
  • Let's be foolish for Jesus,
  • 00:50:30.020 --> 00:50:32.180
  • - Emma: Well,
  • 00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:40.290
  • that's it for today.
  • 00:50:40.290 --> 00:50:41.160
  • What a jam-packed episode.
  • 00:50:41.160 --> 00:50:42.200
  • But there is so much coming up,
  • 00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:44.230
  • so make sure you tune in
  • 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:45.090
  • next time.
  • 00:50:45.090 --> 00:50:46.050
  • - Tim: We don't want you
  • 00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:46.220
  • to miss a thing.
  • 00:50:46.220 --> 00:50:47.130
  • See you then.
  • 00:50:47.130 --> 00:50:48.150
  • - Emma: Next time on
  • 00:50:48.150 --> 00:50:49.000
  • - Carl Lentz: You know how some
  • 00:50:51.020 --> 00:50:51.210
  • people wear a prophecy jacket?
  • 00:50:51.210 --> 00:50:53.060
  • Where it's like,
  • 00:50:53.060 --> 00:50:53.240
  • "I'm gonna wear somethin' bright
  • 00:50:53.240 --> 00:50:54.130
  • so I can get a prophecy."
  • 00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:55.060
  • This is called a--
  • 00:50:55.060 --> 00:50:55.240
  • - Mel:
  • 00:50:55.240 --> 00:50:56.110
  • Oh, this is a prophecy jacket?
  • 00:50:56.110 --> 00:50:57.030
  • - Carl: No, it's better.
  • 00:50:57.030 --> 00:50:57.210
  • - Steve Penny: I love
  • 00:51:00.100 --> 00:51:00.250
  • pioneering churches.
  • 00:51:00.250 --> 00:51:02.160
  • And I keep saying to Marion,
  • 00:51:02.160 --> 00:51:03.210
  • "I've gotta do another one."
  • 00:51:03.210 --> 00:51:05.020
  • And she says,
  • 00:51:05.020 --> 00:51:06.260
  • "Settle down, Grandpa."
  • 00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:08.160
  • - Niyah Rahmaan: Ninety percent
  • 00:51:10.290 --> 00:51:11.180
  • of your congregation
  • 00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:12.090
  • is Hispanic?
  • 00:51:12.090 --> 00:51:13.030
  • - Charles Nieman: Yep.
  • 00:51:13.030 --> 00:51:13.190
  • - Niyah: Yes, this is awesome.
  • 00:51:13.190 --> 00:51:14.080
  • Tell us a little bit about it.
  • 00:51:14.080 --> 00:51:15.120
  • - Charles: You know, people
  • 00:51:15.120 --> 00:51:16.020
  • come to me like I'm an expert,
  • 00:51:16.020 --> 00:51:18.040
  • you know?
  • 00:51:18.040 --> 00:51:18.200
  • And they say,
  • 00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:19.100
  • "Well, how did you build
  • 00:51:19.100 --> 00:51:20.020
  • this multicultural church?"
  • 00:51:20.020 --> 00:51:21.220
  • I just did church.
  • 00:51:21.220 --> 00:51:23.020
  • I mean, that's all did.
  • 00:51:23.020 --> 00:51:24.020
  • We want a better life.
  • 00:51:24.020 --> 00:51:25.230
  • We want a closer relationship
  • 00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:27.050
  • with God.
  • 00:51:27.050 --> 00:51:27.250
  • We wanna raise better kids.
  • 00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:29.050
  • We wanna have better marriages.
  • 00:51:29.050 --> 00:51:31.050
  • And I find that's true
  • 00:51:31.050 --> 00:51:32.040
  • - Carl: And if you will let go
  • 00:51:35.020 --> 00:51:35.240
  • and let God move you forward,
  • 00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:38.090
  • you will see progress
  • 00:51:38.090 --> 00:51:39.130
  • that is supernatural that
  • 00:51:39.130 --> 00:51:40.190
  • you haven't even prayed for.
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  • C'mon, somebody,
  • 00:51:41.240 --> 00:51:42.110
  • shout me down if you will.
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  • I'm about to run down
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