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March 3, 2017
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  • - Charlie Blythe: Hey and
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  • welcome to "Fearless TV," the
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  • show that's being brought to you
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  • by the youth and young adults of
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  • Hillsong Church London.
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  • - Dan Blythe: I'm Dan, and this
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  • is Charlie, and this season's
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  • all about fearless
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  • relationships, so we'll be
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  • discussing what healthy,
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  • fearless relationships look like
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  • in all spheres of life.
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  • - Charlie: That's right, so
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  • we've got some of our youth and
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  • young adults with us today.
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  • Let me introduce you to some of
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  • our Fearless entourage.
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  • - Dan: Not only have we got the
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  • Fearless entourage with you, we
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  • have got Pastors Rich Wilkerson
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  • Jr. and DawnChere.
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  • - Rich Wilkerson: What's up,
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  • guys?
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  • - Dan B: These guys are not
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  • only pastors of the Vous Church,
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  • but they're incredible
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  • communicators and great friends
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  • of us here at "Fearless."
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  • So, thank you for being on the
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  • show.
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  • - Charlie: Yeah, it's so good
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  • to have you here.
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  • We are gonna have an absolute
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  • awesome show today.
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  • We've got so much in store for
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  • you.
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  • Before anything else, you know
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  • what's in store, don't you?
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  • We're gonna hand over to our one
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  • and only, it's our fearless, but
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  • not-so-fearless
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  • - Dan B: True story, right?
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  • When we're walking down the
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  • street in Australia, three
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  • people called out, "Kanye!"
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  • - Dan Watson: They did, they
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  • did.
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  • They were very quickly
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  • disappointed though.
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  • - Dan B: Well, we've got Rich
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  • Wilkerson Jr. here with us today
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  • who did the wedding of Kanye
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  • West and Kim.
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  • Do you think he looks like
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  • Kanye?
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  • - Rich: You know, I feel like
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  • there's the silhouette very
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  • similar, you know, the jaw line.
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  • There's a lot of similar traits
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  • there.
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  • Yeah, I think so.
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  • - Dan W: I'll take that.
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  • - Dan B: There you go.
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  • - Dan W: Well guys, I was
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  • traveling around London again in
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  • the black cab, but you'll never
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  • guess who was in my cab this
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  • week.
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  • - all: Who?
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  • - Dan W: Do you wanna know?
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  • Check it out.
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  • - Dan W: Who's this waving us
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  • down?
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  • Oh my gosh, it's Anton.
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  • Anton, get in, mate.
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  • Get in!
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  • - Anton Stephans: Hey, how are
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  • you?
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  • Good to see you.
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  • How's it going?
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  • - Dan W: Oh, it's good.
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  • - Anton: It's good to see you,
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  • man.
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  • How are you, man?
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  • - Dan W: Oh, I'm great.
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  • Imagine bumping into your here.
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  • - Anton: I know.
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  • - Dan W: Tell me about "X
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  • Factor," 'cause obviously you
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  • was on "The X Factor."
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  • - Anton: I was on
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  • the "X Factor."
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  • - Dan W: When was this?
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  • Was it--not--was it last year's
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  • one?
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  • - Anton: It was last year,
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  • yeah.
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  • It was 2015.
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  • - Dan W: My goodness, and you
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  • made it all the way to the live
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  • shows.
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  • - Anton: I made it all the way
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  • to the live shows.
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  • - Dan W: How scary must that
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  • have been?
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  • was--there were moments when it
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  • was scary, but I just truly--I
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  • just loved it.
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  • - Dan W: I remember your
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  • performances.
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  • They were incredible.
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  • Like, I remember the first time
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  • hearing you sing, it was insane.
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  • When you went for "X Factor,"
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  • were you scared, because--
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  • - Anton: Have you seen the
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  • first audition?
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  • I got, like...
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  • - Dan W: The thing is--the
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  • biggest thing people say that
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  • they're fearful of is over
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  • death, over relationships, all
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  • that kind of stuff, is failure.
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  • So, when you go onto "X Factor"
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  • and you're putting yourself on a
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  • platform in front of millions of
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  • people to watch you, the biggest
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  • thing is, like, "Am I gonna fail
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  • it?"
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  • What do you think makes a
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  • fearless relationship?
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  • - Anton: Courage.
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  • - Dan W: Yeah.
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  • - Anton: I think courage to do
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  • that.
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  • Certainly, I don't--this is
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  • something that maybe people know
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  • before, but the year before, I
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  • went to service.
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  • This was 2014.
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  • I went to service.
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  • I'd been invited by a friends of
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  • mine called Matt.
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  • He had invited me over and he
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  • had got some tickets, and I was
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  • so--I had such little money, but
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  • also I was in the lowest place I
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  • could possibly have ever been.
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  • I was really low.
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  • I'd never been in that kind of
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  • depression before where
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  • everything was black.
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  • And I loved the service, and I
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  • remember speaking to God and
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  • going, "I can't feel you.
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  • I don't know if you even exist
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  • anymore.
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  • But what I'm gonna do is I'm
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  • gonna believe anyway.
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  • I'm gonna just say, even if all
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  • of this is a load of rubbish,
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  • I'm gonna believe anyway and I'm
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  • gonna trust you anyway, because
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  • I can't even trust myself right
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  • now.
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  • I'm such in a dark place, I
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  • can't even trust myself.
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  • So, let's do that."
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  • And I think there's a kind of
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  • courage in that.
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  • And then a year later, which
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  • is--it's gotta be God, right?
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  • Because a year later, I'm
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  • standing on the stage.
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  • A year later to the date, I'm
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  • standing on the stage at
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  • Wembley.
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  • - Dan W: And so much has
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  • happened in that year.
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  • - Anton: And I've been on that
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  • stage at Wembley 70 times doing
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  • a show.
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  • That's how mad it is, right?
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  • - Dan W: My goodness.
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  • - Anton: What am I doing?
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  • - Dan W: How do you--
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  • - Anton: See, this is where you
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  • get your mischievous face from.
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  • Then suddenly out of nowhere
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  • comes marshmallows.
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  • - Dan W: Well, I thought, you
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  • know, just 'cause you got, like,
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  • such a--
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  • - Anton: Big mouth.
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  • - Dan W: Well, you said it.
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  • Right.
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  • - Anton: Okay.
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  • - Dan W: We're gonna go
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  • together.
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  • - Anton: Yes.
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  • - Dan W: Okay?
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  • I'm gonna count.
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  • One.
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  • - Anton: One.
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  • I'm not sure I can.
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  • - Dan W: Two.
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  • - Anton: I can do this all day.
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  • Three, four,
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  • five, six, seven, eight, nine.
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  • - Dan W: Nine.
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  • - Anton: Ten.
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  • - Dan W: Ten.
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  • Eleven.
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  • [mumbling]
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  • - Anton: Oh!
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  • So, I was really sure I was
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  • gonna win.
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  • Here's another competition I
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  • lost.
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  • - Dan W: I won!
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  • [both laughing]
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  • - Anton: Another competition I
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  • got so close.
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  • - Dan W: Man, this has been
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  • amazing.
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  • - Anton: Well, thank you very
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  • much.
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  • - Dan W: Thanks so much for
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  • sharing the cab journey.
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  • - Anton: Thank you for having
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  • me.
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  • - Dan W: You--I'll get this
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  • fare.
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  • That's all right.
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  • - Anton: Oh, thank you.
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  • - Dan W: You, you know--
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  • - Anton: You know, even better.
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  • - Dan W: You enjoy.
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  • - Anton: I really appreciate
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  • now.
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  • If I'd known, I would've gone a
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  • bit further.
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  • - Charlie: How good was that?
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  • Well, we've had some amazing
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  • talent on the show so far, and
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  • today is no exception.
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  • We're committed to creating a
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  • platform for up-and-coming
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  • artists, so I'm gonna pass over
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  • to the lovely Jen now and see
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  • what she's got in store for us
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  • today.
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  • Jen, how you doing?
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  • - Jenifer Norbury: Good.
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  • Well, Charlie, I've got a treat
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  • for you guys today.
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  • He's got such an alternative
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  • sound.
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  • He's actually part of
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  • Worship Central.
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  • Give it up for the gorgeous
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  • [music]
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  • Nothing hidden
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  • in this place
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  • I'll take this mask off
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  • show my face
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  • No pretending
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  • This is me
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  • You see the scars
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  • and love me
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  • Love me though I'm weak
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  • No pretending
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  • This is me
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  • You see the scars
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  • and love me
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  • - Charlie: Thanks, Jen.
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  • Loved that.
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  • I just love the fact that we're
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  • showcasing up-and-coming artists
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  • and giving them a platform.
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  • That's awesome.
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  • And don't forget, if you know
  • 00:07:50.190 --> 00:07:51.210
  • some undiscovered artists that
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  • we should hear about, then let
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  • us know by e-mailing us at
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  • GetInTouch@FearlessLondon.co.uk,
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  • or you can contact us through
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  • any of our social media
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  • channels.
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  • - Dan: Right, well know it's
  • 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:02.250
  • that time you've all been
  • 00:08:02.250 --> 00:08:03.150
  • waiting for.
  • 00:08:03.150 --> 00:08:04.010
  • Everyone's talking about it.
  • 00:08:04.010 --> 00:08:05.030
  • Let's play--
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  • - Maureen Francis: We have our
  • 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:12.130
  • very own Rich Wilkerson Jr.
  • 00:08:12.130 --> 00:08:14.180
  • - Rich: Let's go, let's bring
  • 00:08:14.180 --> 00:08:15.060
  • it on.
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  • - Maureen: Are you--I can feel
  • 00:08:15.230 --> 00:08:16.120
  • his nerves.
  • 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.100
  • - Rich: I'm not afraid of
  • 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:17.260
  • anything.
  • 00:08:17.260 --> 00:08:18.110
  • - Mclaren Lewis: So, out of 10
  • 00:08:18.110 --> 00:08:19.160
  • right now, how fearless are you
  • 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.160
  • feeling?
  • 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:22.010
  • - Rich: I feel, most days,
  • 00:08:22.010 --> 00:08:23.040
  • quite fearless.
  • 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:23.220
  • afraid of anything and the Lord
  • 00:08:26.010 --> 00:08:28.010
  • has not given me the spirit of
  • 00:08:28.010 --> 00:08:28.230
  • fear.
  • 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:29.140
  • - Mclaren: That's correct.
  • 00:08:29.140 --> 00:08:30.250
  • - Rich: But of power, love, and
  • 00:08:30.250 --> 00:08:31.140
  • a sound mind.
  • 00:08:31.140 --> 00:08:32.100
  • And so, I feel clear as crystal
  • 00:08:32.100 --> 00:08:34.180
  • right now.
  • 00:08:34.180 --> 00:08:35.100
  • So, bring it on.
  • 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:36.040
  • Let's go.
  • 00:08:36.040 --> 00:08:36.210
  • Let's go, Mclaren.
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  • - Maureen: So, we should make
  • 00:08:37.180 --> 00:08:38.070
  • it a little bit more difficult
  • 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:39.090
  • then, right?
  • 00:08:39.090 --> 00:08:40.050
  • - Mclaren: Indeed.
  • 00:08:40.050 --> 00:08:40.220
  • The proof is in the pudding.
  • 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:41.250
  • - Maureen: It really is.
  • 00:08:41.250 --> 00:08:42.140
  • How do we do that, Mclaren?
  • 00:08:42.140 --> 00:08:43.230
  • - Mclaren: Without further ado,
  • 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:44.170
  • we need to introduce Joe, our
  • 00:08:44.170 --> 00:08:46.150
  • fearless expert.
  • 00:08:46.150 --> 00:08:49.010
  • Joe, what have you got for us
  • 00:08:49.010 --> 00:08:49.190
  • today?
  • 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:53.110
  • - Rich: What in the world is
  • 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:54.150
  • this?
  • 00:08:54.150 --> 00:08:55.130
  • - Joe: Righty, there we go.
  • 00:08:55.130 --> 00:08:56.150
  • There's your challenge, sir.
  • 00:08:56.150 --> 00:08:57.080
  • - Rich: All right.
  • 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:58.090
  • - Maureen: Are you scared of
  • 00:08:58.090 --> 00:08:58.270
  • small spaces?
  • 00:08:58.270 --> 00:09:00.110
  • - Rich: I'm good.
  • 00:09:00.110 --> 00:09:01.220
  • - Joe: There are some very
  • 00:09:01.220 --> 00:09:02.120
  • small additions though.
  • 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:03.200
  • You shall need your very own
  • 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.010
  • pair of goggles.
  • 00:09:05.010 --> 00:09:06.010
  • - Mclaren: Wow.
  • 00:09:06.010 --> 00:09:07.040
  • - Rich: Okay.
  • 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:07.210
  • - Mclaren: I believe we call
  • 00:09:07.210 --> 00:09:08.190
  • that swag.
  • 00:09:08.190 --> 00:09:10.120
  • - Rich: Okay.
  • 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:11.120
  • - Joe: Very good, sir.
  • 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.060
  • - Mclaren: Shall we get the box
  • 00:09:14.060 --> 00:09:16.070
  • on?
  • 00:09:16.070 --> 00:09:16.280
  • Is that--
  • 00:09:16.280 --> 00:09:17.290
  • - Joe: Yeah, we'll get the box
  • 00:09:17.290 --> 00:09:19.010
  • on.
  • 00:09:19.010 --> 00:09:19.210
  • - Mclaren: Is that important?
  • 00:09:19.210 --> 00:09:20.090
  • Okay.
  • 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:20.260
  • - Joe: We'll get the box on.
  • 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:21.180
  • - Rich: Come on, what are we
  • 00:09:21.180 --> 00:09:22.060
  • doing right now?
  • 00:09:22.060 --> 00:09:23.010
  • - Joe: Once the box is on, he
  • 00:09:23.010 --> 00:09:24.180
  • can't run away then.
  • 00:09:24.180 --> 00:09:25.200
  • - Mclaren: Yeah, exactly.
  • 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:26.200
  • Exactly.
  • 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:27.180
  • - Maureen: Do you wanna pop the
  • 00:09:27.180 --> 00:09:28.070
  • goggles on?
  • 00:09:28.070 --> 00:09:29.000
  • - Mclaren: Goggles first.
  • 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.130
  • We need them in order, do we
  • 00:09:30.130 --> 00:09:31.090
  • not?
  • 00:09:31.090 --> 00:09:33.130
  • - Maureen: I think I can hear
  • 00:09:33.130 --> 00:09:34.040
  • that, like whoa!
  • 00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:36.230
  • - Mclaren: Looking good.
  • 00:09:36.230 --> 00:09:38.290
  • My goodness.
  • 00:09:38.290 --> 00:09:40.220
  • Let's slip that over.
  • 00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:43.060
  • - Rich: All right.
  • 00:09:43.060 --> 00:09:44.090
  • - Mclaren: It fits.
  • 00:09:44.090 --> 00:09:45.060
  • - Joe: If that fits in--
  • 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:48.090
  • - Rich: What in the heck?
  • 00:09:48.090 --> 00:09:49.240
  • This is like--
  • 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:50.230
  • - Joe: Okay, that's just one
  • 00:09:50.230 --> 00:09:51.240
  • half of your challenge, sir.
  • 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:53.070
  • - Rich: What does that mean?
  • 00:09:53.070 --> 00:09:54.090
  • - Joe: That is part one.
  • 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:55.180
  • - Mclaren: And just in case the
  • 00:09:55.180 --> 00:09:57.100
  • people at home don't believe
  • 00:09:57.100 --> 00:09:58.210
  • that this is indeed a real
  • 00:09:58.210 --> 00:10:00.090
  • tarantula, I'm about to show
  • 00:10:01.140 --> 00:10:04.140
  • you--I'm about to show you it's
  • 00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:06.150
  • real.
  • 00:10:06.150 --> 00:10:07.220
  • This is a real tarantula.
  • 00:10:08.270 --> 00:10:11.270
  • Oh, he just moved!
  • 00:10:11.270 --> 00:10:14.210
  • - Rich: This is strange.
  • 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:16.050
  • - Mclaren: Here we go.
  • 00:10:16.050 --> 00:10:17.140
  • - Maureen: Are you ready?
  • 00:10:17.140 --> 00:10:19.100
  • - Mclaren: Okay.
  • 00:10:19.100 --> 00:10:19.280
  • - Maureen: Are you ready for
  • 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:20.170
  • this to go--
  • 00:10:20.170 --> 00:10:21.050
  • - Mclaren: Now Rich, all you
  • 00:10:21.050 --> 00:10:21.230
  • have to do is simply snap that
  • 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.080
  • indeed, on "Fearless TV," fear
  • 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.040
  • is a lie.
  • 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:29.170
  • Are you ready?
  • 00:10:29.170 --> 00:10:30.220
  • - Maureen: Hold on.
  • 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:31.140
  • - Rich: Yeah, let's go.
  • 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:32.060
  • - Maureen: How's he gonna snap
  • 00:10:32.060 --> 00:10:33.000
  • it?
  • 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:33.250
  • - Rich: What are these?
  • 00:10:33.250 --> 00:10:34.180
  • I don't understand--
  • 00:10:34.180 --> 00:10:35.160
  • - Joe: These are lovely little
  • 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:36.250
  • crickets right here.
  • 00:10:36.250 --> 00:10:38.140
  • This is probably my nastiest
  • 00:10:38.140 --> 00:10:40.120
  • challenge yet, ladies and
  • 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:41.140
  • gentlemen.
  • 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:43.000
  • But what we're going to do--
  • 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:43.270
  • - Rich: What do you do for a
  • 00:10:43.270 --> 00:10:44.180
  • living, sir?
  • 00:10:44.180 --> 00:10:47.060
  • - Joe: But right, this
  • 00:10:47.060 --> 00:10:47.230
  • challenge is we're going to
  • 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:49.030
  • throw a couple of handfuls of
  • 00:10:49.030 --> 00:10:50.140
  • crickets so they're running
  • 00:10:50.140 --> 00:10:51.070
  • around your head up there.
  • 00:10:51.070 --> 00:10:53.060
  • Just a couple.
  • 00:10:53.060 --> 00:10:54.100
  • Maybe one or two.
  • 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:55.050
  • Maybe it could be 50.
  • 00:10:55.050 --> 00:10:57.240
  • We don't know yet.
  • 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.010
  • I've got quite big hands, so
  • 00:10:59.010 --> 00:10:59.290
  • maybe more towards 100.
  • 00:10:59.290 --> 00:11:02.160
  • So, get the snap ready and we
  • 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:05.090
  • will start by going--
  • 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:07.090
  • - Mclaren: Take your time, Joe.
  • 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:08.230
  • Take your time.
  • 00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:10.170
  • Hold on, Maureen, I think we
  • 00:11:10.170 --> 00:11:11.220
  • need--I think we need someone to
  • 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:13.110
  • help us SnapChat this.
  • 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:15.240
  • - Maureen: Come on.
  • 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:16.150
  • Help us out.
  • 00:11:16.150 --> 00:11:17.080
  • We need your assistance.
  • 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:17.270
  • Come on.
  • 00:11:17.270 --> 00:11:19.270
  • - Joe: A couple of more in
  • 00:11:19.270 --> 00:11:20.170
  • there.
  • 00:11:20.170 --> 00:11:21.030
  • - Maureen: Get right in there.
  • 00:11:21.030 --> 00:11:21.230
  • - Joe: A couple of more.
  • 00:11:21.230 --> 00:11:22.210
  • And oh--oh, they're wiggly,
  • 00:11:22.210 --> 00:11:24.240
  • ladies and gents.
  • 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:25.190
  • They're very, very wiggly and
  • 00:11:25.190 --> 00:11:27.040
  • jumpy.
  • 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:28.210
  • We're getting them all in there.
  • 00:11:28.210 --> 00:11:30.110
  • - Maureen: He's trying to be
  • 00:11:30.110 --> 00:11:31.000
  • brave, you know?
  • 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.080
  • - Mclaren: Wow!
  • 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:33.150
  • Fearless--hi.
  • 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.000
  • I've got a cricket.
  • 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:37.210
  • - Joe: There we go.
  • 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:39.020
  • And then, we shall add tarantula
  • 00:11:39.020 --> 00:11:42.020
  • number one.
  • 00:11:42.020 --> 00:11:43.160
  • - Mclaren: Okay.
  • 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:44.230
  • - Very, very--and we shall just
  • 00:11:45.110 --> 00:11:48.110
  • pop that right on.
  • 00:11:48.110 --> 00:11:49.010
  • Right there.
  • 00:11:49.010 --> 00:11:51.180
  • - Maureen: Can you see?
  • 00:11:51.180 --> 00:11:52.190
  • - Mclaren: All you have to do
  • 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:53.090
  • is snap that.
  • 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:54.160
  • - Rich: They're definitely
  • 00:11:54.160 --> 00:11:55.120
  • biting me.
  • 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.110
  • - Mclaren: Fear is a lie.
  • 00:11:57.110 --> 00:11:58.220
  • - Rich: Fear is a lie!
  • 00:11:58.220 --> 00:12:00.110
  • - Maureen: Yes, he did it!
  • 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.000
  • [cheering]
  • 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:06.070
  • - Mclaren: Right here
  • 00:12:06.070 --> 00:12:06.250
  • on "Fearless TV," Rich Wilkerson
  • 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:08.260
  • and DawnChere proved
  • 00:12:08.260 --> 00:12:10.130
  • - Dan: Well, Rich, how you
  • 00:12:17.280 --> 00:12:18.150
  • feeling?
  • 00:12:18.150 --> 00:12:19.100
  • - Rich: You know, I just feel
  • 00:12:19.100 --> 00:12:19.280
  • like I learned a whole lot,
  • 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:20.250
  • Because I feel like the Lord
  • 00:12:23.090 --> 00:12:24.160
  • has, like, called me to go to
  • 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:25.230
  • new levels, but I was always
  • 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:27.130
  • like, "God, I don't know if I
  • 00:12:27.130 --> 00:12:28.290
  • could put my head in, like, a
  • 00:12:28.290 --> 00:12:29.270
  • Plexiglas box, with, like,
  • 00:12:29.270 --> 00:12:32.100
  • locusts and a tarantula.
  • 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:34.150
  • I don't know if I could do that
  • 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:35.040
  • for you."
  • 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:35.240
  • But then today, like, the
  • 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:36.190
  • opportunity came right here with
  • 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:37.220
  • all of you guys.
  • 00:12:37.220 --> 00:12:38.120
  • I was like, "I gotta do this for
  • 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:39.180
  • God," so thank you for that.
  • 00:12:39.180 --> 00:12:42.010
  • Thank you, thank you.
  • 00:12:42.010 --> 00:12:43.270
  • - Charlie: The reality is we
  • 00:12:43.270 --> 00:12:45.080
  • all have fears to face and
  • 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:46.140
  • overcome, but we do believe it
  • 00:12:46.140 --> 00:12:48.000
  • is possible to overcome your
  • 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:49.210
  • fears.
  • 00:12:49.210 --> 00:12:50.130
  • Here's someone who did just
  • 00:12:50.130 --> 00:12:51.010
  • that.
  • 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:51.220
  • Why don't you
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:52.070
  • - Ashley: At the age of 2, I
  • 00:12:58.040 --> 00:12:59.150
  • was put into foster care.
  • 00:13:00.020 --> 00:13:03.020
  • And between the ages of 2 and
  • 00:13:03.020 --> 00:13:04.010
  • 18, I lived with 4 different
  • 00:13:04.010 --> 00:13:05.240
  • foster families, and I also
  • 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:07.090
  • lived in a care home.
  • 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:08.140
  • So, that's five moves, five
  • 00:13:08.140 --> 00:13:09.290
  • - Ashley: The second home I
  • 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:21.210
  • moved into, her name was Cici.
  • 00:13:21.210 --> 00:13:22.280
  • She was a larger than life
  • 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:24.050
  • Jamaican lady, big character.
  • 00:13:24.050 --> 00:13:25.260
  • I felt at home with Cici.
  • 00:13:25.270 --> 00:13:28.270
  • However, at the age of about
  • 00:13:28.270 --> 00:13:30.030
  • 8 years old, Cici decided she no
  • 00:13:31.180 --> 00:13:34.180
  • It's very hard to articulate
  • 00:13:42.220 --> 00:13:43.140
  • that feeling of despairing about
  • 00:13:43.210 --> 00:13:46.210
  • your future.
  • 00:13:46.210 --> 00:13:48.140
  • All the homes I lived in, I knew
  • 00:13:49.040 --> 00:13:52.040
  • that the foster parents at some
  • 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:53.200
  • point would kick me out of their
  • 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.050
  • house.
  • 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.200
  • I was always preparing for
  • 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.070
  • rejection.
  • 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:04.100
  • When I moved to Peckham, I lived
  • 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:05.020
  • with a foster lady, and though
  • 00:14:05.020 --> 00:14:06.010
  • the placement was quite cold for
  • 00:14:06.010 --> 00:14:07.250
  • me, she went to church.
  • 00:14:07.250 --> 00:14:10.080
  • And slowly but surely, I opened
  • 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.070
  • up and I began to hear things
  • 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:14.150
  • that were very alien to me,
  • 00:14:14.150 --> 00:14:16.160
  • things like I had a purpose,
  • 00:14:16.160 --> 00:14:18.160
  • that I had a Father in heaven
  • 00:14:18.160 --> 00:14:20.060
  • who had a divine plan for me.
  • 00:14:20.060 --> 00:14:22.040
  • I heard about the kingdom of
  • 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:23.050
  • heaven.
  • 00:14:23.050 --> 00:14:24.010
  • And I remember the night that I
  • 00:14:24.010 --> 00:14:25.160
  • gave my life to Christ.
  • 00:14:25.160 --> 00:14:27.040
  • I was out shopping with my
  • 00:14:27.040 --> 00:14:28.170
  • foster mom, and as we were at
  • 00:14:28.170 --> 00:14:30.020
  • the supermarket, I came across
  • 00:14:30.020 --> 00:14:31.290
  • the site of a random man with
  • 00:14:31.290 --> 00:14:33.280
  • his son, father and son.
  • 00:14:33.280 --> 00:14:35.150
  • The father was play fighting
  • 00:14:35.150 --> 00:14:38.080
  • with his son, and he picked up
  • 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.170
  • this kid, he started swinging
  • 00:14:39.170 --> 00:14:41.130
  • him around.
  • 00:14:41.130 --> 00:14:42.070
  • And as I saw that image, for
  • 00:14:42.070 --> 00:14:45.050
  • some reason, these feelings of
  • 00:14:45.050 --> 00:14:47.290
  • anger, jealousy, despair,
  • 00:14:47.290 --> 00:14:50.090
  • rejection just broke out inside
  • 00:14:50.180 --> 00:14:53.180
  • [music]
  • 00:14:58.030 --> 00:15:01.050
  • - Ashley: And I remember just
  • 00:15:01.050 --> 00:15:01.270
  • carrying all this stuff inside
  • 00:15:01.270 --> 00:15:02.250
  • until we got home, and as we got
  • 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:04.250
  • home, I ran to my bedroom, broke
  • 00:15:04.250 --> 00:15:06.250
  • down in my bedroom with no one
  • 00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:08.040
  • watching, and I just cried like
  • 00:15:08.040 --> 00:15:10.160
  • a baby.
  • 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:13.210
  • But as I was there, I cried out
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  • to God, "If what I hear about
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:17.160
  • you in church is real, if you
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  • can be a Father to the
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  • fatherless, I need you to be my
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  • Father."
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  • God came in the room.
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  • He hugged me.
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  • I could feel his presence.
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  • At that moment, I gave my life
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  • to Christ.
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  • I'm so healed in so many ways,
  • 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.230
  • good relationships and such a
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  • bright hope for my future.
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  • God has absolutely done a
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  • miracle in my life and he will
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  • - Charlie: What an incredible
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  • story.
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  • Well, maybe you've got a story
  • 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:49.100
  • like the one we just heard.
  • 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:50.270
  • Well, we would love to hear from
  • 00:15:50.270 --> 00:15:52.000
  • you.
  • 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:52.180
  • You can get in touch with us by
  • 00:15:52.180 --> 00:15:53.240
  • emailing
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  • GetInTouch@FearlessLondon.co.uk
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  • or by any of our social media
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  • channels.
  • 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.160
  • - Dan: Right, well, we're gonna
  • 00:15:59.160 --> 00:16:00.240
  • continue our chat on fearless
  • 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.060
  • relationships, and we thought,
  • 00:16:02.060 --> 00:16:03.110
  • as we've got Rich Wilkerson Jr.
  • 00:16:03.110 --> 00:16:05.060
  • and DawnChere with us in the
  • 00:16:05.060 --> 00:16:06.110
  • house, why not ask them some
  • 00:16:06.110 --> 00:16:07.180
  • questions?
  • 00:16:07.180 --> 00:16:08.170
  • So, we're gonna dive straight
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  • into it.
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  • First of all, tell us, how did
  • 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:13.080
  • you guys meet?
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  • - Rich: We met when we were
  • 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:15.000
  • 17 years of age, actually in
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  • Nashville, Tennessee.
  • 00:16:17.070 --> 00:16:18.200
  • DawnChere was making music way
  • 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:19.270
  • back then and I was visiting my
  • 00:16:19.270 --> 00:16:22.110
  • brother who was kinda making
  • 00:16:22.110 --> 00:16:24.010
  • music under the same label.
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  • And we met, like, at a Christian
  • 00:16:25.160 --> 00:16:26.210
  • concert slash church service
  • 00:16:26.210 --> 00:16:28.170
  • thing, and fell in love, man.
  • 00:16:28.170 --> 00:16:31.050
  • She couldn't--you know, she
  • 00:16:31.050 --> 00:16:31.240
  • couldn't stay away from me, to
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  • be honest with you.
  • 00:16:32.140 --> 00:16:34.170
  • No, actually, I saw her, I was,
  • 00:16:34.170 --> 00:16:35.280
  • like, really into her, and so I
  • 00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:37.100
  • got your number somehow and I
  • 00:16:37.100 --> 00:16:38.200
  • called you every day for years.
  • 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.180
  • - DawnChere: Yeah, and we were
  • 00:16:40.180 --> 00:16:41.070
  • long distance for 4 1/2 years,
  • 00:16:41.070 --> 00:16:42.290
  • and we just celebrated 10 years
  • 00:16:42.290 --> 00:16:45.040
  • of marriage last week.
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  • - Charlie: Amazing.
  • 00:16:46.180 --> 00:16:47.220
  • That's amazing.
  • 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.190
  • That's incredible stuff, that.
  • 00:16:48.190 --> 00:16:49.220
  • Rich, what attracted you to
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  • DawnChere?
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  • - Rich: Well, she's got these
  • 00:16:51.260 --> 00:16:52.190
  • gorgeous eyes.
  • 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:53.170
  • - DawnChere: Thanks, babe.
  • 00:16:53.170 --> 00:16:55.240
  • - Rich: And this beautiful
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  • blonde hair.
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  • But then, really her heart, you
  • 00:16:57.020 --> 00:16:57.240
  • know?
  • 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.160
  • No.
  • 00:16:58.160 --> 00:17:00.030
  • Honestly, I think that she was
  • 00:17:00.030 --> 00:17:02.000
  • quite beautiful when I first saw
  • 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.020
  • her and was attracted to her.
  • 00:17:03.020 --> 00:17:04.010
  • But then getting to know her,
  • 00:17:04.010 --> 00:17:05.010
  • you know, I think DawnChere and
  • 00:17:05.010 --> 00:17:06.150
  • I, the thing that's really kinda
  • 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:07.250
  • kept our relationship, I think,
  • 00:17:07.250 --> 00:17:09.130
  • alive and exciting is that we've
  • 00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:10.210
  • always been really good friends.
  • 00:17:10.210 --> 00:17:12.040
  • And I think that's always gotta
  • 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:13.090
  • become, like, the first, you
  • 00:17:13.090 --> 00:17:14.090
  • know, foundation of a
  • 00:17:14.090 --> 00:17:15.200
  • relationship, is like, do
  • 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.160
  • I know a lot of people that are
  • 00:17:19.020 --> 00:17:19.210
  • in love, but they don't like
  • 00:17:19.210 --> 00:17:20.080
  • each other anymore.
  • 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:21.190
  • And I think for DawnChere and I,
  • 00:17:21.190 --> 00:17:23.260
  • we just always had a really
  • 00:17:23.260 --> 00:17:24.180
  • great friendship, and we talked
  • 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:25.280
  • well, we make each other laugh,
  • 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:27.260
  • and we just enjoyed so many of
  • 00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:29.210
  • the same things.
  • 00:17:29.210 --> 00:17:30.140
  • And really, at the end of the
  • 00:17:30.140 --> 00:17:31.140
  • day, we both had a heart for
  • 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:32.110
  • really advancing the kingdom of
  • 00:17:32.110 --> 00:17:33.210
  • God and falling in love with
  • 00:17:33.210 --> 00:17:34.280
  • Jesus.
  • 00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:35.160
  • And so, first attraction was
  • 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.150
  • definitely this girl's very
  • 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:38.190
  • beautiful, but then definitely
  • 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:40.150
  • the greatest parts about her is
  • 00:17:40.150 --> 00:17:42.130
  • what I began to discover as I
  • 00:17:42.130 --> 00:17:43.200
  • kinda developed a relationship
  • 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:44.200
  • with her.
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  • - Dan: Amazing.
  • 00:17:45.230 --> 00:17:46.190
  • DC, let me ask you this.
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  • How did Rich propose?
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  • - DawnChere: Okay.
  • 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:50.290
  • - Rich: Talk about it.
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  • - DawnChere: Rich proposed--
  • 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:53.210
  • - Rich: Keyboardist, come on.
  • 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:55.210
  • - DawnChere: We had actually
  • 00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:56.150
  • just spent a semester together
  • 00:17:56.150 --> 00:17:58.170
  • studying in Cambridge, and we
  • 00:17:58.170 --> 00:18:00.180
  • came home from Cambridge, and we
  • 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:02.180
  • were actually in my hometown,
  • 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:03.230
  • Shreveport, Louisiana, the south
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  • of the USA.
  • 00:18:05.080 --> 00:18:06.230
  • And Rich had determined that he
  • 00:18:06.230 --> 00:18:08.050
  • was gonna propose to me in my
  • 00:18:08.050 --> 00:18:09.290
  • hometown so that my family could
  • 00:18:09.290 --> 00:18:11.040
  • be there.
  • 00:18:11.040 --> 00:18:12.010
  • And so, he did it one night
  • 00:18:12.010 --> 00:18:13.080
  • after dinner.
  • 00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:14.030
  • And the plan was to do it at
  • 00:18:14.030 --> 00:18:14.290
  • dinner at this really nice
  • 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:16.000
  • restaurant, and then he got
  • 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:16.260
  • there and it was so small and
  • 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:18.060
  • people were so close to us that
  • 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:19.130
  • he freaked out.
  • 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:20.130
  • So, I'm sitting at the dinner
  • 00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:21.090
  • table and I'm watching him,
  • 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:22.170
  • like, down glasses of water, and
  • 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:24.240
  • he's sweating.
  • 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:25.230
  • I'm like, "What's going on with
  • 00:18:25.230 --> 00:18:26.260
  • this guy?"
  • 00:18:26.260 --> 00:18:28.100
  • And he told me he didn't have a
  • 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:29.130
  • clue what he was gonna do,
  • 00:18:29.130 --> 00:18:30.140
  • because the plan was completely
  • 00:18:30.140 --> 00:18:31.280
  • spoiled, and he almost proposed
  • 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:33.220
  • out in the parking lot.
  • 00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:35.050
  • - Rich: Did not though.
  • 00:18:35.050 --> 00:18:35.270
  • - DawnChere: But he didn't.
  • 00:18:35.270 --> 00:18:37.010
  • He came up with a good plan.
  • 00:18:37.010 --> 00:18:38.010
  • It was a dock on the lake, which
  • 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:42.040
  • is where we had one of our first
  • 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:43.080
  • dates.
  • 00:18:43.080 --> 00:18:44.060
  • And it was dark outside, and we
  • 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:45.030
  • walked out to the end, and he
  • 00:18:45.030 --> 00:18:46.180
  • got on one knee and popped the
  • 00:18:46.180 --> 00:18:48.100
  • question.
  • 00:18:48.100 --> 00:18:49.070
  • And it was incredible, just the
  • 00:18:49.070 --> 00:18:51.060
  • two of us.
  • 00:18:51.060 --> 00:18:51.230
  • We were high-fiving, and
  • 00:18:51.230 --> 00:18:52.210
  • - Dan: That's cool.
  • 00:18:55.090 --> 00:18:55.230
  • - DawnChere: It was a really
  • 00:18:55.230 --> 00:18:56.110
  • special memory.
  • 00:18:56.110 --> 00:18:56.260
  • - Rich: I got my inhaler out
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:57.160
  • and--regained myself.
  • 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.040
  • But you know--
  • 00:19:00.040 --> 00:19:00.220
  • - Charlie: Do you remember the
  • 00:19:00.220 --> 00:19:01.110
  • exactly words that you said,
  • 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:01.280
  • Rich?
  • 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:02.160
  • - Rich: I would've said, "My
  • 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.250
  • goodness gracious."
  • 00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:04.290
  • No, I have no idea actually.
  • 00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:05.250
  • I was gonna make something up.
  • 00:19:05.250 --> 00:19:06.170
  • I think I just said that, you
  • 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:07.280
  • know, "You're my best friend.
  • 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:10.020
  • I love you so much.
  • 00:19:10.020 --> 00:19:10.290
  • I wanna spend the rest of my
  • 00:19:10.290 --> 00:19:11.160
  • life, you know, making you happy
  • 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.010
  • and building a life together.
  • 00:19:13.010 --> 00:19:13.280
  • And will you marry me?"
  • 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:15.160
  • And so, 10 years later, bro,
  • 00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:18.220
  • still going, so.
  • 00:19:18.220 --> 00:19:19.260
  • - Dan: You guys are talking
  • 00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:20.130
  • about friendship, you're talking
  • 00:19:20.130 --> 00:19:21.090
  • about best friends, and also you
  • 00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:22.140
  • talked about your dreams that
  • 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:23.130
  • you talked about over your long
  • 00:19:23.130 --> 00:19:24.160
  • distance relationship.
  • 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.250
  • Right, we look at your life, and
  • 00:19:25.250 --> 00:19:27.020
  • DC, you're speaking at Colour
  • 00:19:27.020 --> 00:19:29.040
  • Conferences around the world.
  • 00:19:29.040 --> 00:19:30.180
  • Like, incredible communicator.
  • 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:31.280
  • Rich, also yourself, incredible
  • 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:33.130
  • communicator, also Vous, leading
  • 00:19:33.130 --> 00:19:36.110
  • a church, written a book.
  • 00:19:36.110 --> 00:19:37.230
  • Like, you guys are doing
  • 00:19:37.230 --> 00:19:38.230
  • phenomenal stuff.
  • 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:39.190
  • Are those the dreams that you
  • 00:19:39.190 --> 00:19:41.020
  • guys talked about all those
  • 00:19:41.020 --> 00:19:41.260
  • years ago?
  • 00:19:41.260 --> 00:19:42.200
  • - Rich: I think those are
  • 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.060
  • probably byproducts.
  • 00:19:43.060 --> 00:19:44.010
  • I think--you know, I think the
  • 00:19:44.010 --> 00:19:45.090
  • dream was never to do great
  • 00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:47.000
  • things as much it was, like, who
  • 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:48.140
  • do we wanna be and what do we
  • 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:50.100
  • wanna see God do really in our
  • 00:19:50.100 --> 00:19:51.230
  • nation and in our generation.
  • 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:53.010
  • And I think, you know, I love
  • 00:19:53.010 --> 00:19:54.190
  • that idea that healthy things
  • 00:19:54.190 --> 00:19:55.080
  • grow, and so I think that a
  • 00:19:55.080 --> 00:19:56.280
  • marriage should grow.
  • 00:19:56.280 --> 00:19:58.110
  • I think that as we get older,
  • 00:19:58.110 --> 00:19:59.160
  • our marriage should get better.
  • 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.190
  • I think that as we--you know,
  • 00:20:00.190 --> 00:20:01.130
  • hopefully when we're in our 40s,
  • 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:03.040
  • it's like, we're more in love
  • 00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:04.050
  • and our friendship is, you know,
  • 00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:05.100
  • blossoming and flourishing even
  • 00:20:05.100 --> 00:20:06.160
  • more.
  • 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.050
  • And I think that's how church
  • 00:20:07.050 --> 00:20:07.290
  • life and stuff is, and so I
  • 00:20:07.290 --> 00:20:08.240
  • too much on, like, you know, the
  • 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:12.090
  • what, instead of, like, the why.
  • 00:20:12.090 --> 00:20:14.170
  • And I think if we keep the why
  • 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:15.140
  • right and we understand why
  • 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:16.150
  • we're doing what we're doing,
  • 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:17.270
  • God's gonna bring about so many
  • 00:20:17.270 --> 00:20:18.270
  • cool things.
  • 00:20:18.270 --> 00:20:19.250
  • And to be honest with you, a lot
  • 00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:20.290
  • of the cool things that God's
  • 00:20:20.290 --> 00:20:21.250
  • kinda brought us into in the
  • 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:23.040
  • past few years, those weren't,
  • 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:24.160
  • like, you know, on the reference
  • 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.020
  • board or the goal sheet to,
  • 00:20:26.020 --> 00:20:27.130
  • like, accomplish this or do
  • 00:20:27.130 --> 00:20:28.000
  • that.
  • 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:28.170
  • It was really always about,
  • 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:29.210
  • like, man, let's make Jesus
  • 00:20:29.210 --> 00:20:30.210
  • kinda takes us down, let's just
  • 00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:33.190
  • do it to the best of our
  • 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:34.230
  • ability.
  • 00:20:34.230 --> 00:20:35.100
  • And we just decided we wanted to
  • 00:20:35.100 --> 00:20:36.280
  • do it together.
  • 00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:37.160
  • And so, we've really enjoyed the
  • 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.160
  • journey and it's one of our
  • 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:40.150
  • values to say let's enjoy the
  • 00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:41.120
  • - Charlie: Well, we really
  • 00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:48.230
  • wanna get to know you a little
  • 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:50.060
  • bit better.
  • 00:20:50.060 --> 00:20:50.210
  • And we've been talking about
  • 00:20:50.210 --> 00:20:51.210
  • relationships on this season, so
  • 00:20:51.210 --> 00:20:53.090
  • fearless relationships, what it
  • 00:20:53.090 --> 00:20:54.120
  • means to have a relationship
  • 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:55.240
  • without fear.
  • 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:56.240
  • So, we would love to open it up
  • 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.170
  • to these guys, our Fearless
  • 00:20:57.170 --> 00:20:58.240
  • entourage, to ask you a few
  • 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.020
  • questions about your
  • 00:21:00.020 --> 00:21:01.010
  • relationship, if that's all
  • 00:21:01.010 --> 00:21:01.230
  • right with you.
  • 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:02.250
  • - DawnChere: Awesome, yeah.
  • 00:21:02.250 --> 00:21:03.120
  • - Charlie: So, I don't know if
  • 00:21:03.120 --> 00:21:04.010
  • anyone over here has got a
  • 00:21:04.010 --> 00:21:04.180
  • question that wants to kick it
  • 00:21:04.180 --> 00:21:05.060
  • off?
  • 00:21:05.060 --> 00:21:05.250
  • Go, Celeste.
  • 00:21:05.250 --> 00:21:07.280
  • - Celeste: Yeah, so, a lot of
  • 00:21:07.280 --> 00:21:08.240
  • our relationships now play out
  • 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.120
  • on social media, and my question
  • 00:21:10.120 --> 00:21:12.100
  • to you guys is, like, how do you
  • 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:14.210
  • deal with, like, all the
  • 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:16.090
  • attention on social media, like,
  • 00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:17.200
  • having a relationship in public?
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.070
  • - Rich: That's a great
  • 00:21:21.220 --> 00:21:22.100
  • question.
  • 00:21:22.100 --> 00:21:23.000
  • You know, I think for DawnChere
  • 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:23.190
  • and I, I think, number one, it's
  • 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:24.210
  • like, our relationship, more and
  • 00:21:24.210 --> 00:21:26.030
  • more, we get to see it as a
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  • platform oftentimes to minister
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  • great things that we've learned.
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  • But you know, our relationship
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  • is between the two of us first
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  • and foremost, and so, I think
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  • we've gotta be careful not to
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  • let too many naysayers, or
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  • critics, or voices from outside
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  • dictate who we're gonna be.
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  • So, that's why I think it's
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  • really important that, you know,
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  • all of us, when it comes to our
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  • relationship, I think the first
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  • thing is you wanna make sure you
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  • get a vision.
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  • A lot of us have visions for
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  • different areas of our life, but
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  • when it comes to our
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  • relationships, it's like we
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  • don't get a vision for it.
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  • It's amazing how many things we
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  • get trained for in life, but one
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  • of the most essential things in
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  • life which is relationships,
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  • nobody does any training for.
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  • And so, people get married,
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  • 'cause like, "I think he's
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  • cute."
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  • "I get married because she makes
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  • But like, feelings come and go,
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  • right?
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  • Like, feelings, they're, like,
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  • based on, you know, what you
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  • feel like today.
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  • That's one day I feel good, one
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  • day I feel bad.
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  • And that's why people get
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  • and then they get divorced
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  • 'cause they feel bad.
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  • I think what you really gotta
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  • make sure is that what's the
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  • vision.
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  • What do you want?
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  • The Bible says people throw off
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  • restraint because there is no
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  • vision.
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  • So, the more and more we get a
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  • vision for who we wanna be, the
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  • type of person we wanna marry,
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  • the type of person that we wanna
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  • be as we're discovering that, I
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  • really think that we're gonna
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  • run towards those things.
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  • - Dan: I think that's such a
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  • perfect place just to conclude
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  • that, talking about perfect
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  • love.
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  • Thank you so much for being on
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  • the show.
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  • I feel like we haven't even
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  • touched the surface yet.
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  • I wanna find all about the
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  • wedding that you did.
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  • You know, I read about it in
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  • magazines.
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  • Would you guys be up for coming
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  • back next time on the show?
  • 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:49.200
  • - Rich: Absolutely, we'd love
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  • to come back.
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  • - Charlie: We would love that.
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  • - Dan: Amazing.
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  • Why don't you put your hands
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  • together for Rich Wilkerson and
  • 00:22:52.250 --> 00:22:53.270
  • DawnChere.
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  • - Charlie: Well, maybe you've
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  • got some comments,
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  • or questions that you'd like to
  • 00:22:58.190 --> 00:22:59.170
  • ask Rich and DawnChere.
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  • - Dan: So, that's it from us.
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  • Thank you so much for tuning in.
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  • We're gonna leave you with a
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  • song shot at our warehouse with
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  • our Youth and Young Adult night.
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  • Jump and go wild
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  • A free generation
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  • 'Cause we are the chosen
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  • Proclaimed to the nations
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  • Write your name
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  • across my heart
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  • Shine your light
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  • where there is dark
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  • I will love you all my days
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  • You will never leave my side
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  • not a day of my whole life
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  • I will sing unending praise
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  • Start a riot in my soul
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  • Let your love
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  • break down my walls
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  • As your Spirit burns in me
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  • it's your grace
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  • that set me free
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  • It's your grace
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  • It's your grace
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  • that set me free
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  • Start a riot in my soul
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  • Let your love
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  • break down my walls
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  • As your Spirit burns in me
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  • it's your grace
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  • that set me free
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  • Let your love
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  • break down my walls
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  • As your Spirit burns in me
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  • it's your grace
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  • that set me free
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