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May 17, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guests Mike Huckabee and David & Jason Benham

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  • STATION]
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  • MUSIC
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  • [BRAKES SCREECHING]
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  • [SKATE BOARD ZIPPING]
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  • [BANG]
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  • [SOMEONE SINGING]
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  • - ANNOUNCER: ERIC METAXAS RADIO
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  • SHOW
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  • - ERIC: HEY, THERE, FOLKS.
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  • I'M KIND OF SURPRISED TO SEE
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  • YOU.
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  • TYPICALLY I DO A RADIO SHOW,
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  • IT'S CALLED THE ERIC METAXAS
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  • MY NAME IS ERIC METAXAS.
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  • WE FOUND OUT THE NAME WASN'T
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  • BEING USED.
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  • WE GRABBED IT.
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  • BUT ON A RADIO SHOW, I DON'T
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  • NORMALLY LOOK INTO A CAMERA,
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  • PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING BACK AT
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  • THE REASON THIS IS HAPPENING IS
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  • BECAUSE THE GOOD FOLKS AT TBN
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  • APPROACHED ME AND SAID,
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  • "ERIC, WE WOULD LIKE
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  • TO PUT YOUR RADIO
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  • SHOW ON TV."
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  • I GOT VERY CONFUSED.
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  • THEY EXPLAINED TO ME, NO.
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  • WE ARE GOING TO BUILD YOU A
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  • GORGEOUS STUDIO.
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  • NOT AS GORGEOUS AS GOVERNOR MIKE
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  • HUCKABEE'S STUDIO, BECAUSE, THAT
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  • WAS WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD THAT
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  • KIND OF MONEY.
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  • BUT WE'RE GONNA TO DO THE BEST
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  • WE CAN.
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  • WE'RE GONNA BUILD YOU A STUDIO
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  • AND WE'RE GONNA LET YOU HAVE
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  • YOUR RADIO PROGRAM ON TBN.
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  • THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, FOLKS.
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  • YOU'RE WATCHING A RADIO PROGRAM.
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  • IF YOU'RE CONFUSED, JOIN THE
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  • CLUB.
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  • BUT, I GOT TO TELL YOU, THE
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  • FIRST THING I SAID, IT'S
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  • IMPORTANT TO KICK-OFF A SHOW
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  • WITH THE RIGHT KIND OF GUEST.
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  • OKAY?
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  • YOU REMEMBER, THAT GOVERNOR
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  • HUCKABEE, WHEN HE KICKED OFF HIS
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  • SHOW, HE HAD ON THE PRESIDENT OF
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  • THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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  • I BELIEVE IN THOSE DAYS IT WAS
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  • DONALD TRUMP.
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  • REMEMBER THAT?
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  • WELL, I THOUGHT, LOOK, I CAN'T
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  • GET TRUMP, BUT I'M SURE I COULD
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  • GET SARAH SANDERS.
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  • HUCKABEE SANDERS AS MY FIRST
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  • GUEST, RIGHT?
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  • THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO TOUGH.
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  • I HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS IN THE
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  • WHITE HOUSE.
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  • I DID EVERYTHING I COULD TO GET
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  • SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS.
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  • AND, AT THE END, THEY JUST SAID
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  • SORRY, ERIC, WE CAN'T MAKE IT
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  • HAPPEN.
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  • I SAID, CAN YOU AT LEAST GET ME
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  • LIKE A RELATIVE OF HERS, A
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  • COUSIN?
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  • ANYTHING?
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  • I'M BEGGING YOU.
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  • THEY SAID WE WILL TRY, WE'LL DO
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  • OUR BEST.
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  • THEY GOT ME A MAN CLAIMING TO BE
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  • HER FATHER,
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  • GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE.
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  • I THINK HE IS ON THE LINE RIGHT
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  • NOW.
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  • GOVERNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
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  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: I'M HERE,
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  • ERIC, AND HONORED TO BE HERE.
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  • I'M SORRY THAT SARAH COULDN'T BE
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  • YOUR FIRST GUEST BECAUSE SHE
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  • WOULD HAVE BEEN A REAL, REAL
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  • GET.
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  • BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M THE GUY NOW
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  • KNOWN WHEN I'M INTRODUCED
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  • PLACES, AS, HERE HE IS, SARAH'S
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  • DAD.
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  • - ERIC: I HAVE TO SAY, AS LONG
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  • AS WE'RE SURE.
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  • YOU REALLY ARE SARAH'S DAD, NO
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  • KIDDING?
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  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: WE HAD DNA
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  • TESTS.
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  • WE ABSOLUTELY ESTABLISHED I AM,
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  • TOTALLY.
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  • - ERIC: I FEEL A LOT BETTER,
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  • BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAIM A
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  • LOT OF THINGS IN THIS CRAZY DAY
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  • AND AGE.
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  • IF YOU REALLY ARE HER DAD, I
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  • FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.
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  • I CAN JOKE WITH YOU.
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  • I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR AWHILE.
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  • WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU HAD A SHOW
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  • ON TBN, THAT GOT MY ATTENTION.
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  • I WAS SO EXCITED.
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  • AND EVERYTHING I EXPERIENCED ON
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  • TBN IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT FROM
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  • THE FOLKS AT TBN.
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  • YOUR STUDIO, THOUGH, I'M JUST
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  • SAYING, I'M NOT JEALOUS,
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  • GOVERNOR, BUT YOUR STUDIO IS SO
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  • BIG THAT IF THE ROCKETS ARE NOT
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  • PERFORMING, IT SEEMS A LITTLE
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  • BIT OF A WASTE OF SPACE.
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  • WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT?
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  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: WELL, I
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  • WOULD SAY THAT TBN HAS BEEN THE
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  • MOST WONDERFUL MEDIA FAMILY I'VE
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  • EVER BEEN A PART OF, AND I'VE
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  • ENJOYED MY EXTRAORDINARY
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  • EXPERIENCE HERE, AS WILL YOU.
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  • YOU WILL FIND THAT FROM MATT AND
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  • LAURIE CROUCH, WHO RUN THE
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  • NETWORK, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE
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  • PEOPLE THAT RUN CAMERAS AND PULL
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  • CABLE, THERE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY
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  • TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT ALL
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  • HAPPEN.
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  • I'M SO DELIGHTED THAT THE ERIC
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  • METAXAS RADIO SHOW IS BECOMING
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  • PART OF THE TBN FAMILY.
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  • TBN HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG,
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  • LONG TIME PRESENTING THE GOSPEL
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  • TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT SHOWS
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  • LIKE OURS ARE GIVING PEOPLE A
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  • WINDOW INTO A WHOLE NEW AUDIENCE
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  • AND BRINGING EYEBALLS TO THE
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  • CHANNEL WHO MIGHT STAY FOR SOME
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  • OF THE TEACHING AND PREACHING
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  • PROGRAMS.
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  • AS A BELIEVER, THIS EXCITING TO
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  • ME.
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  • BUT I'M ALSO EXCITED AS A PERSON
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  • WHO LIKES TO GIVE COMMENTARY ON
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  • CULTURE, POLITICS AS DO YOU.
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  • AND I'M HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU
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  • TODAY.
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  • - ERIC: I WANT TO ASK YOU A FEW
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  • QUESTIONS.
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  • I JUST WANT TO SAY BASED ON WHAT
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  • YOU SAID ABOUT BRINGING EYEBALLS
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  • TO TBN, I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I
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  • TRY TO BE CRITICAL.
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  • I LOOKED AT TBN, WHAT DO THEY
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  • HAVE AND WHAT DON'T THEY HAVE
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  • THAT I COULD BRING TO TBN THAT
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  • WOULD DRAW MORE EYEBALLS?
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  • SO I THOUGHT GUN PLAY VIOLENCE,
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  • PEOPLE LOVE THAT KIND OF STUFF,
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  • CAR CHASES.
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  • I ASKED MATT CROUCH, WOULD YOU
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  • MIND?
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  • HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  • WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET
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  • FOR HIGH SPEED CAR CHASES, AND
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  • WE DON'T THINK THAT GUN PLAY AND
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  • A LOT OF VIOLENCE WOULD GO WITH
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  • OUR AUDIENCE.
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  • I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS CRUSHED.
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  • I WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD
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  • AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT
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  • COMEDY, MAYBE JOKING AROUND?
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  • HE SAID, YES, WE CAN USE SOME OF
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  • THAT.
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  • GOVERNOR HUCKABEE DOES THAT.
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  • WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT.
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  • I THOUGHT ALL RIGHT.
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  • BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE
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  • PREACHERS ON TBN, THEY JOKE
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  • AROUND BUT IT IS IN THE CONTEXT
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  • OF A SERMON, WHICH IS NOT QUITE
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  • THE SAME.
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  • ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE TO DO
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  • AND YOU LOVE TO DO IS CULTURAL
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  • COMMENTARY, NOT JUST POLITICAL
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  • COMMENTARY.
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  • WE BOTH DO POLITICAL COMMENTARY,
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  • WE TALK ABOUT FAITH, BUT
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  • CULTURAL COMMENTARY.
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  • YOU'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF FOLKS ON
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  • YOUR PROGRAM.
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  • YOU JUST MENTIONED VICTORIA
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  • JACKSON.
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  • WE WERE TALKING-- SHE'S BEEN A
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  • FRIEND OF MINE, SHE'S BEEN ON
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  • YOUR PROGRAM.
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  • SHE'S A COMEDIAN.
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  • SHE IS BRILLIANT.
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  • I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
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  • BELIEVERS AND CONSERVATIVES TO
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  • HAVE FOLKS LIKE THAT.
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  • SO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS,
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  • SINCE YOU'VE GONE BEFORE ME,
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  • WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR TIPS ON
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  • HOW TO GET THESE GUESTS?
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  • DO I HAVE TO MOVE TO NASHVILLE?
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  • WHAT DO I NEED TO DO?
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  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: OH, YOUR
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  • IN A GREAT PLACE.
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  • NEW YORK IS A PLACE WHERE A LOT
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  • OF FOLKS LIVE AND THEY'LL BE
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  • WILLING TO COME ON AND TALK ON
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  • YOUR SHOW JUST LIKE THEY DO ON
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  • YOUR RADIO SHOW.
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  • WHAT I FOUND IS WHEN YOU TREAT
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  • GUESTS WITH RESPECT, AND YOU
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  • ACTUALLY SERVE AS A HOST TO
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  • THEM, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO COME
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  • ON.
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  • A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE GET ON A
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  • SHOW AND THEY'RE AMBUSHED.
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  • NOBODY WANTS THAT.
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  • I MAKE IT CLEAR.
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  • I'M NEVER GOING TO BRING SOMEONE
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  • ON, EVEN SOMEBODY I TOTALLY
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  • BECAUSE I HAVE PEOPLE THAT I
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  • DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH.
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  • WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE AVOWED
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  • LIBERALS, WAY LEFT OF ME.
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  • BUT HERE'S THE THING.
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  • IF THEY COME ON MY SHOW, I TREAT
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  • THEM LIKE I WOULD TREAT THEM
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  • COMING INTO MY HOME.
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  • THEY'RE MY GUEST; I'M THEIR
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  • HOST.
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  • I WAS RAISED IN THE SOUTH WHERE
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  • IF YOU HAVE A GUEST, YOU OFFER
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  • THEM SOMETHING TO EAT OR DRINK,
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  • YOU GIVE THEM THE BEST CHAIR,
  • 00:06:49.190 --> 00:06:50.290
  • YOU TREAT THEM KINDLY AND
  • 00:06:50.290 --> 00:06:52.210
  • RESPECTFULLY, AND YOU MAKE THEM
  • 00:06:52.210 --> 00:06:54.220
  • FEEL AS IF THEY HAVE BEEN
  • 00:06:54.220 --> 00:06:56.140
  • SMOTHERED WITH HOSPITALITY.
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  • THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS THE KEY.
  • 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.210
  • YOU'LL DO THAT.
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  • - ERIC: THERE ARE VERY FEW
  • 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:01.230
  • PEOPLE WHO WOULD SAY THAT.
  • 00:07:01.230 --> 00:07:03.120
  • AND I'M ONE OF THEM.
  • 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.040
  • I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
  • 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:07.210
  • IT IS WHY I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:07:07.210 --> 00:07:08.240
  • BECAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE TOO
  • 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:09.210
  • MUCH OF THAT KIND OF "GOT YOU"
  • 00:07:09.210 --> 00:07:11.020
  • AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
  • 00:07:13.110 --> 00:07:14.050
  • HAVE PEOPLE ON, I'VE ALWAYS DONE
  • 00:07:14.050 --> 00:07:15.140
  • THIS ON MY RADIO PROGRAM AND YOU
  • 00:07:15.140 --> 00:07:16.270
  • HAVE DONE IT, PEOPLE WITH WHOM
  • 00:07:16.270 --> 00:07:18.280
  • YOU DEFINITELY DISAGREE, BUT YOU
  • 00:07:18.280 --> 00:07:20.170
  • DON'T TREAT THEM IN A
  • 00:07:20.170 --> 00:07:22.030
  • CONDESCENDING WAY.
  • 00:07:22.030 --> 00:07:24.220
  • YOU TREAT THEM AS YOU WOULD WANT
  • 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:26.120
  • TO BE TREATED IF YOU WERE ON A
  • 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.030
  • SHOW, THAT YOU ACTUALLY HEAR
  • 00:07:28.030 --> 00:07:29.050
  • THEM OUT.
  • 00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:29.200
  • AND I THINK THAT IS SO
  • 00:07:29.200 --> 00:07:30.170
  • IMPORTANT.
  • 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:31.200
  • I'VE SEEN YOU DO IT A MILLION
  • 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:32.110
  • TIMES.
  • 00:07:32.110 --> 00:07:34.120
  • AND THAT IS MY PROMISE THAT ON
  • 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.060
  • THIS SHOW I'LL HAVE ALL KINDS OF
  • 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:35.280
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:37.040
  • AND THE FUNNY THING IS, I'LL
  • 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:37.240
  • HAVE ON SOMEBODY-- I'VE DONE
  • 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:38.230
  • THIS ON MY RADIO SHOW, I'LL HAVE
  • 00:07:38.230 --> 00:07:39.250
  • ON SOMEBODY AND THEY WILL BE --
  • 00:07:39.250 --> 00:07:42.000
  • THE CHRISTIANS WILL WRITE IN AND
  • 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.200
  • SAY, HOW CAN YOU HAVE ON
  • 00:07:43.200 --> 00:07:44.140
  • SOMEBODY TO BELIEVES THIS OR
  • 00:07:44.140 --> 00:07:45.040
  • THIS?
  • 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:45.180
  • AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S A TALK
  • 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:46.150
  • SHOW.
  • 00:07:46.150 --> 00:07:48.140
  • I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH
  • 00:07:48.140 --> 00:07:50.120
  • EVERYONE THAT I HAVE ON.
  • 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.020
  • I'M GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THAT
  • 00:07:52.020 --> 00:07:52.250
  • I DON'T AGREE WITH NECESSARILY
  • 00:07:52.250 --> 00:07:54.160
  • BUT YOU'VE REALLY MODELED THAT.
  • 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.190
  • I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
  • 00:07:56.190 --> 00:07:58.200
  • AND I ALSO THINK, AND YOU GET
  • 00:07:58.200 --> 00:07:59.190
  • THIS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE
  • 00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:00.120
  • FUN.
  • 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.100
  • IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING FUN, I
  • 00:08:02.100 --> 00:08:03.150
  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: SO MANY
  • 00:08:07.150 --> 00:08:08.080
  • PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIAN
  • 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:09.000
  • BELIEVERS, CAN GET REALLY UP
  • 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.160
  • TIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.
  • 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:12.050
  • I THINK WE NEED TO ALL RELAX AND
  • 00:08:12.050 --> 00:08:13.270
  • TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND ENJOY THE
  • 00:08:13.270 --> 00:08:15.120
  • THERE ARE THINGS TO BE SERIOUS
  • 00:08:17.090 --> 00:08:19.170
  • ABOUT.
  • 00:08:19.170 --> 00:08:20.000
  • I'VE ALWAYS HAD A SIMPLE
  • 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:20.180
  • PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE.
  • 00:08:20.180 --> 00:08:21.090
  • TAKE GOD SERIOUSLY, BUT DON'T
  • 00:08:21.090 --> 00:08:22.010
  • TAKE YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY.
  • 00:08:22.010 --> 00:08:24.170
  • I'M LIVING IN A CULTURE WHERE
  • 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:25.280
  • PEOPLE DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE
  • 00:08:25.280 --> 00:08:27.210
  • GOD BUT THEY TAKE THEMSELVES
  • 00:08:27.210 --> 00:08:29.160
  • VERY SERIOUSLY.
  • 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.000
  • AND AS A RESULT, THEY ARE ANGRY,
  • 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.020
  • BITTER, THEY'RE CONFRONTATIONAL.
  • 00:08:33.020 --> 00:08:34.180
  • IF YOU DON'T THINK SO, READ
  • 00:08:34.180 --> 00:08:36.250
  • COMMENTS TO MY TWITTER FEED, OH,
  • 00:08:36.250 --> 00:08:38.060
  • BOY.
  • 00:08:38.060 --> 00:08:39.250
  • THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:08:39.250 --> 00:08:40.180
  • YOU WANT TO READ SOME MEAN
  • 00:08:40.180 --> 00:08:41.160
  • STUFF.
  • 00:08:41.160 --> 00:08:42.020
  • AY YI YI.
  • 00:08:42.020 --> 00:08:43.220
  • - ERIC: I WANT TO ASK YOU, I'VE
  • 00:08:43.220 --> 00:08:46.120
  • BECOME SUCH A FAN OF YOUR
  • 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:47.230
  • DAUGHTER.
  • 00:08:47.230 --> 00:08:50.010
  • I JUST HAVE TO ASK YOU, I'M A
  • 00:08:50.010 --> 00:08:51.130
  • DAD OF A WONDERFUL DAUGHTER, I
  • 00:08:51.130 --> 00:08:53.110
  • JUST HAVE TO ASK YOU, DID YOU
  • 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:56.000
  • KNOW WHEN SHE WAS 15 OR 20 THAT
  • 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.050
  • SHE MIGHT BE GOING IN THIS
  • 00:08:57.050 --> 00:08:59.280
  • DIRECTION?
  • 00:08:59.280 --> 00:09:00.170
  • SHE IS UNFLAPPABLE.
  • 00:09:00.170 --> 00:09:02.290
  • SHE'S GOT THIS TERRIFIC
  • 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:06.070
  • ATTITUDE.
  • 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.120
  • IF SHE EVER LEAVES THAT IS JOB,
  • 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:11.040
  • I WILL BE VERY UPSET.
  • 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:12.060
  • WHAT DID YOU SEE WHEN SHE WAS
  • 00:09:12.060 --> 00:09:13.030
  • GROWING UP?
  • 00:09:13.030 --> 00:09:14.060
  • AT SOME POINT DID SHE BECOME A
  • 00:09:14.060 --> 00:09:14.270
  • SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSON AND GO
  • 00:09:14.270 --> 00:09:16.100
  • IN THAT DIRECTION?
  • 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:17.280
  • HOW DID SHE DEVELOP THAT WAY?
  • 00:09:17.280 --> 00:09:18.250
  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: ERIC,
  • 00:09:18.250 --> 00:09:20.260
  • SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN INVOLVED IN
  • 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:21.250
  • POLITICS SINCE SHE WAS A SMALL
  • 00:09:21.250 --> 00:09:22.160
  • GIRL.
  • 00:09:22.160 --> 00:09:24.010
  • WHETHER IT WAS PASSING OUT
  • 00:09:24.010 --> 00:09:25.140
  • FLYERS AT A COUNTY FAIR.
  • 00:09:25.140 --> 00:09:26.190
  • PART OF WHAT GIVES HER HER
  • 00:09:26.190 --> 00:09:27.280
  • STRENGTH IS THAT NONE OF THIS
  • 00:09:27.280 --> 00:09:29.150
  • SURPRISES OR SHOCKS HER.
  • 00:09:29.150 --> 00:09:31.080
  • SHE SWAM IN THESE WATERS, UNLIKE
  • 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.150
  • MOST PEOPLE.
  • 00:09:33.150 --> 00:09:35.090
  • AND HER WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN
  • 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:36.200
  • ABOUT THE POLITICAL CIRCUS.
  • 00:09:37.030 --> 00:09:40.030
  • THAT'S PART OF IT.
  • 00:09:40.030 --> 00:09:40.280
  • THE SECOND THING, SHE IS A TOUGH
  • 00:09:40.280 --> 00:09:41.240
  • KID.
  • 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:42.210
  • SHE GREW UP AS A TOUGH KID, IN
  • 00:09:42.210 --> 00:09:44.140
  • PART BECAUSE SHE GREW UP IN A
  • 00:09:44.140 --> 00:09:45.190
  • POLITICAL FAMILY.
  • 00:09:45.190 --> 00:09:46.050
  • SHE WATCHED HER PARENTS GETTING
  • 00:09:46.050 --> 00:09:47.190
  • HAMMERED EVERY DAY BY THE PRESS
  • 00:09:47.190 --> 00:09:48.210
  • AND THE OPPOSITION PARTY.
  • 00:09:48.210 --> 00:09:50.210
  • AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE SHE
  • 00:09:50.210 --> 00:09:52.100
  • HAD TWO OLDER BROTHERS.
  • 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:53.280
  • SHE'S THE YOUNGEST OF THE THREE
  • 00:09:53.280 --> 00:09:54.250
  • CHILDREN WE HAD.
  • 00:09:54.250 --> 00:09:56.080
  • SHE'S THE ONLY GIRL, AND SO SHE
  • 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.080
  • GOT MISTREATED BY BROTHERS WHO
  • 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.010
  • REALLY WERE MEAN TO HER.
  • 00:10:01.010 --> 00:10:02.150
  • THEY SUPER GLUED HER FINGERS
  • 00:10:02.150 --> 00:10:04.230
  • TOGETHER WHEN SHE WAS LITTLE
  • 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:07.150
  • REQUIRING A TRIP TO THE
  • 00:10:07.150 --> 00:10:08.150
  • EMERGENCY ROOM.
  • 00:10:08.150 --> 00:10:09.250
  • THEY GAVE HER A BIG GLASS OF
  • 00:10:09.250 --> 00:10:10.150
  • MUD--
  • 00:10:10.150 --> 00:10:13.030
  • - ERIC: YOU'RE NOT KIDDING.
  • 00:10:13.030 --> 00:10:14.020
  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: OH, I'M
  • 00:10:14.020 --> 00:10:14.250
  • NOT KIDDING.
  • 00:10:14.250 --> 00:10:15.070
  • NO.
  • 00:10:15.070 --> 00:10:15.230
  • THEY GAVE HER A BIG GLASS OF MUD
  • 00:10:15.230 --> 00:10:16.150
  • AND TOLD HER IT WAS A CHOCOLATE
  • 00:10:16.150 --> 00:10:17.070
  • MILKSHAKE.
  • 00:10:17.070 --> 00:10:17.180
  • THEY DID CRUEL THINGS TO HER.
  • 00:10:17.180 --> 00:10:18.090
  • SO WHEN SHE WAS A LITTLE TYKE,
  • 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:19.150
  • SHE REALIZED THAT IF SHE DOES
  • 00:10:19.150 --> 00:10:21.290
  • NOT STAND UP FOR HERSELF, FIGHT
  • 00:10:21.290 --> 00:10:23.180
  • BACK AND GET TOUGH, SHE'S GONNA
  • 00:10:23.180 --> 00:10:25.050
  • GET RUN OVER.
  • 00:10:25.050 --> 00:10:26.120
  • THAT'S WHY WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHEN
  • 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:27.280
  • YOU SEE YOUR DAUGHTER WALK INTO
  • 00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:30.080
  • THE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM, ARE YOU
  • 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:31.170
  • NERVOUS?
  • 00:10:31.170 --> 00:10:32.280
  • I SAY, YOU BET I AM, FOR THOSE
  • 00:10:32.280 --> 00:10:34.070
  • PRESS PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE.
  • 00:10:34.070 --> 00:10:35.090
  • I'M NERVOUS FOR THEM.
  • 00:10:35.090 --> 00:10:35.260
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:10:35.260 --> 00:10:37.000
  • MY NEXT GUESTS ARE THE BENHAM
  • 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:40.040
  • BROTHERS.
  • 00:10:40.040 --> 00:10:40.250
  • HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE BENHAM
  • 00:10:40.250 --> 00:10:41.280
  • BROTHERS?
  • 00:10:41.280 --> 00:10:42.130
  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: I KNOW
  • 00:10:42.130 --> 00:10:43.090
  • THEM VERY WELL.
  • 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:43.230
  • THEY ARE DEAR FRIENDS OF MINE.
  • 00:10:43.230 --> 00:10:44.180
  • AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS.
  • 00:10:44.180 --> 00:10:45.070
  • I KNEW THEIR DAD BACK IN THE
  • 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:46.020
  • '80'S.
  • 00:10:46.020 --> 00:10:47.280
  • FLIP BENHAM WHO WAS ONE OF THE
  • 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:49.050
  • PIONEERS IN THE PRO-LIFE
  • 00:10:49.050 --> 00:10:51.050
  • MOVEMENT, ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:10:51.050 --> 00:10:52.110
  • COURAGEOUS PEOPLE I'VE EVER
  • 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:53.030
  • KNOWN AND EVERY TIME I SEE THEM,
  • 00:10:53.030 --> 00:10:54.140
  • I SAY TO THEM, DON'T EVER
  • 00:10:54.140 --> 00:10:55.250
  • UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER AND THE
  • 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:58.200
  • IMPACT THAT YOUR FATHER HAD ON
  • 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.040
  • THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT.
  • 00:11:00.040 --> 00:11:01.280
  • WHEN HE WAS OUT THERE, HE WAS
  • 00:11:01.280 --> 00:11:03.040
  • GOING TO JAIL.
  • 00:11:03.040 --> 00:11:04.150
  • HE WAS TAKING BEATINGS FOR
  • 00:11:04.150 --> 00:11:06.070
  • STANDING UP FOR LIFE AT A TIME
  • 00:11:06.070 --> 00:11:08.040
  • WHEN THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY
  • 00:11:08.040 --> 00:11:09.120
  • PEOPLE WILLING TO DO IT.
  • 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:10.110
  • SO, YEAH, I KNOW THEM.
  • 00:11:10.110 --> 00:11:11.160
  • I KNOW THEIR DAD AND I LOVE
  • 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:12.290
  • THEIR FAMILY.
  • 00:11:12.290 --> 00:11:13.260
  • THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
  • 00:11:13.260 --> 00:11:14.250
  • - ERIC: I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE
  • 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:18.040
  • JUST COME TO LOVE THE TWO OF
  • 00:11:18.040 --> 00:11:20.100
  • THEM.
  • 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:21.100
  • ONE OF THE REASONS I LOVE THE
  • 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:22.240
  • TWO OF THEM, THEY ARE JUST
  • 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.000
  • TROUBLEMAKERS.
  • 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.260
  • EVERY TIME I'VE HAD THEM ON MY
  • 00:11:25.260 --> 00:11:28.110
  • RADIO SHOW OR WE GET TOGETHER,
  • 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:30.080
  • THEY'RE LIKE THE REDHEADED
  • 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.170
  • STEPSONS.
  • 00:11:32.170 --> 00:11:33.250
  • CLEARLY, THEY'RE BAD NEWS.
  • 00:11:33.250 --> 00:11:36.110
  • THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY'RE ON OUR
  • 00:11:36.110 --> 00:11:38.030
  • TEAM IN A FEW WAYS.
  • 00:11:38.030 --> 00:11:39.260
  • WE TEASE EACH OTHER SO MUCH THAT
  • 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:43.160
  • WHEN I FIRST HAD THEM ON MY
  • 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:44.120
  • RADIO PROGRAM, I GOT EMAILS FROM
  • 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:45.040
  • PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
  • 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:47.220
  • THAT MY LOVE LANGUAGE IS TO
  • 00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:49.240
  • TEASE PEOPLE AND THEY WERE
  • 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.090
  • TEASING ME RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:11:51.090 --> 00:11:52.110
  • THEY ARE STRAIGHT UP NUTS.
  • 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:53.240
  • I THOUGHT WHAT BETTER WAY TO
  • 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.240
  • BEGIN MY TBN SHOW WITH GOVERNOR
  • 00:11:55.280 --> 00:11:58.280
  • MIKE HUCKABEE, WHO IS ALREADY ON
  • 00:11:58.280 --> 00:12:00.260
  • TBN, AND MY FRIENDS THE BENHAM
  • 00:12:00.260 --> 00:12:03.050
  • BROTHERS.
  • 00:12:03.050 --> 00:12:04.070
  • I FIGURE, YOU KNOW, IF I'M
  • 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:05.170
  • STARTING OUT WITH YOU AND THEM
  • 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:08.090
  • AS MY FIRST GUESTS, PROBABLY I'M
  • 00:12:08.090 --> 00:12:09.250
  • GOING TO BE OKAY.
  • 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:12.050
  • GOVERNOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO
  • 00:12:12.050 --> 00:12:13.030
  • SAY EXCEPT THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:12:13.030 --> 00:12:14.080
  • EVERYTHING YOU DO, AND THANK YOU
  • 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:15.260
  • FOR LETTING ME TWIST YOUR ARM
  • 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.200
  • INTO BEING MY FIRST GUEST ON THE
  • 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.150
  • ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW AS SEEN
  • 00:12:22.150 --> 00:12:23.270
  • ON TBN.
  • 00:12:23.270 --> 00:12:25.290
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:12:25.290 --> 00:12:27.160
  • - GOVERNOR HUCKABEE: IT HAS
  • 00:12:27.160 --> 00:12:28.060
  • BEEN MY PLEASURE, AND BEST
  • 00:12:28.060 --> 00:12:28.250
  • WISHES ON A GREAT SHOW.
  • 00:12:29.020 --> 00:12:32.020
  • - ERIC: THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:32.020 --> 00:12:32.250
  • MORE TO COME ON THE ERIC METAXAS
  • 00:12:34.190 --> 00:12:35.110
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:12:41.030 --> 00:12:44.030
  • - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, IT'S THE
  • 00:12:49.150 --> 00:12:50.160
  • ERIC METAXAS SHOW.
  • 00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:51.220
  • YOU'VE HEARD OF THE LADIES WHO
  • 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:52.260
  • LUNCH?
  • 00:12:52.260 --> 00:12:53.070
  • I'M HERE WITH THE LADIES WHO DO
  • 00:12:53.070 --> 00:12:54.130
  • REAL ESTATE.
  • 00:12:54.130 --> 00:12:56.210
  • DAVID AND JASON BENHAM.
  • 00:12:56.210 --> 00:12:57.280
  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:12:57.280 --> 00:12:58.220
  • - DAVID: THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:00.100
  • - JASON: YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE
  • 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:01.060
  • EVERY MOTHER IN AMERICA HATE YOU
  • 00:13:01.060 --> 00:13:04.010
  • BECAUSE YOU'RE RAGGING US SO
  • 00:13:04.010 --> 00:13:04.210
  • - ERIC: LET ME TELL YOU
  • 00:13:06.130 --> 00:13:07.010
  • SOMETHING, PUNK.
  • 00:13:07.010 --> 00:13:07.150
  • - DAVID: GET 'IM GET 'IM.
  • 00:13:07.150 --> 00:13:08.040
  • - ERIC: WHICHEVER ONE YOU ARE,
  • 00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:09.070
  • I DON'T LIKE YOU.
  • 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:09.220
  • LET ME TELL YOU THIS, RIGHT NOW,
  • 00:13:09.220 --> 00:13:10.140
  • I DON'T KNOW WHO AT SALEM MEDIA
  • 00:13:10.140 --> 00:13:12.250
  • OR TBN, SOMEBODY LOST A BET,
  • 00:13:14.060 --> 00:13:17.060
  • OKAY.
  • 00:13:17.060 --> 00:13:19.170
  • WITH SOME PHOTOGRAPH SOMEPLACE
  • 00:13:19.170 --> 00:13:21.230
  • AND I HAD TO HAVE YOU ON.
  • 00:13:21.230 --> 00:13:23.240
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.280
  • USUALLY I GET TO PICK MY GUESTS,
  • 00:13:25.280 --> 00:13:26.200
  • THEY FORCED THIS ON ME.
  • 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.260
  • I'M DOING THIS UNDER PROTEST.
  • 00:13:28.260 --> 00:13:29.260
  • - THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:13:29.260 --> 00:13:31.120
  • - ERIC: SO YOU WANT TO TALK
  • 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.100
  • ABOUT YOUR RELIGIOUS STUFF, I'LL
  • 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:33.020
  • GIVE YOU THAT.
  • 00:13:33.020 --> 00:13:35.090
  • BUT I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND TO
  • 00:13:35.090 --> 00:13:36.100
  • ENJOY IT.
  • 00:13:36.100 --> 00:13:37.260
  • SERIOUSLY, "BOLD AND BROKEN,"
  • 00:13:37.260 --> 00:13:39.150
  • THE BOOK YOU JUST WROTE BEFORE
  • 00:13:39.150 --> 00:13:41.070
  • THIS, "MIRACLE IN SHREVEPORT" IS
  • 00:13:41.070 --> 00:13:43.010
  • A CRAZY AMAZING STORY.
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.000
  • I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY
  • 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:48.150
  • SHOULD READ THAT BOOK.
  • 00:13:48.210 --> 00:13:51.210
  • BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FORGET
  • 00:13:51.210 --> 00:13:53.020
  • TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:53.270
  • THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:13:53.270 --> 00:13:54.280
  • BEAUTIFUL-- YOU KNOW I WROTE A
  • 00:13:54.280 --> 00:13:55.220
  • BOOK ABOUT MIRACLES.
  • 00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:56.140
  • IT'S RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:13:56.140 --> 00:13:57.000
  • - JASON: YES, PHENOMENAL.
  • 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.050
  • - ERIC: BUT THIS BOOK, WHAT WAS
  • 00:13:58.050 --> 00:13:59.280
  • YOUR IMPETUS TO WRITE A BOOK SO
  • 00:13:59.280 --> 00:14:02.240
  • SOON AFTER YOU WROTE THAT
  • 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.120
  • BLOCKBUSTER "MIRACLE IN
  • 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.190
  • SHREVEPORT"?
  • 00:14:06.190 --> 00:14:07.270
  • - JASON: WELL, OUR GOAL WAS TO
  • 00:14:07.270 --> 00:14:09.120
  • NOT WRITE ANOTHER BOOK.
  • 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:10.190
  • OUR GOAL WAS TO EQUIP AND
  • 00:14:10.190 --> 00:14:11.250
  • INSPIRE CHRISTIANS TO STAND
  • 00:14:11.250 --> 00:14:12.290
  • BOLDLY AMIDST SOME OF THE
  • 00:14:12.290 --> 00:14:14.120
  • CULTURAL CRAZINESS THAT'S GOING
  • 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.010
  • ON.
  • 00:14:16.010 --> 00:14:16.270
  • - ERIC: AND YET YOU WROTE
  • 00:14:16.270 --> 00:14:17.160
  • ANOTHER BOOK.
  • 00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:18.130
  • SO YOU FAILED, YOU FAILED.
  • 00:14:18.130 --> 00:14:20.120
  • - JASON: THAT WAS NOT OUR GOAL.
  • 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:21.170
  • - DAVID: WE HAD TO DO IT.
  • 00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:22.260
  • - ERIC: THE REASON WE'RE
  • 00:14:22.260 --> 00:14:23.220
  • FRIENDS.
  • 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:24.110
  • - WE WERE COMPELLED BY THE HOLY
  • 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:25.170
  • SPIRIT.
  • 00:14:25.170 --> 00:14:25.290
  • - ERIC: AND THE REASON WE USED
  • 00:14:25.290 --> 00:14:27.010
  • TO BE FRIENDS BEFORE YOU RUINED
  • 00:14:27.010 --> 00:14:28.110
  • MY SHOW WAS THAT WE AGREE ON
  • 00:14:28.110 --> 00:14:30.080
  • THIS ISSUE ABOUT BEING BOLD IN
  • 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:31.150
  • THE CULTURE, AND THAT'S ONE OF
  • 00:14:31.150 --> 00:14:33.040
  • THE REASONS I LOVE YOU GUYS SO
  • 00:14:33.040 --> 00:14:35.090
  • MUCH THAT I'LL KID YOU TO DEATH.
  • 00:14:35.090 --> 00:14:36.170
  • BUT YOU DECIDED TO WRITE A BOOK
  • 00:14:36.170 --> 00:14:37.090
  • SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
  • 00:14:37.090 --> 00:14:39.190
  • BECAUSE, LET'S GO BACK TO WHY--
  • 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:42.060
  • A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY, I
  • 00:14:42.060 --> 00:14:44.220
  • DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN
  • 00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:46.110
  • THE CULTURE WARS, OR I DON'T
  • 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:47.200
  • WANT ANYONE TO BUG ME, SO THEY
  • 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:48.110
  • SAY NOTHING.
  • 00:14:48.110 --> 00:14:50.120
  • SO, WE PLAYED LAST WEEK A QUOTE
  • 00:14:52.140 --> 00:14:55.140
  • FROM DOCTOR REVEREND --
  • 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:57.240
  • DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING WHERE HE
  • 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.110
  • SAYS THAT THAT'S PRACTICAL
  • 00:14:59.110 --> 00:15:00.130
  • ATHEISM WHERE YOU ARE LIVING--
  • 00:15:00.130 --> 00:15:03.060
  • - RIGHT.
  • 00:15:03.060 --> 00:15:04.030
  • - ERIC: YOU GUYS DID NOT CHOOSE
  • 00:15:04.030 --> 00:15:06.060
  • TO BE OUT THERE IN THE CULTURE.
  • 00:15:06.060 --> 00:15:08.160
  • SAY WHAT HAPPENED SO THAT YOU
  • 00:15:08.160 --> 00:15:11.050
  • LOST YOUR INCREDIBLE REAL ESTATE
  • 00:15:11.050 --> 00:15:14.030
  • TV PROGRAM, BECAUSE THAT SETS UP
  • 00:15:14.030 --> 00:15:15.170
  • THE WHOLE THING.
  • 00:15:15.170 --> 00:15:16.200
  • - JASON: YOU GO THAT ROUTE AND
  • 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.200
  • I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK
  • 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.110
  • AFTER YOU DO THAT.
  • 00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:20.010
  • - DAVID: JASON AND I GOT OUT OF
  • 00:15:20.010 --> 00:15:20.270
  • BASEBALL.
  • 00:15:20.270 --> 00:15:22.050
  • I WAS WITH THE RED SOX.
  • 00:15:22.050 --> 00:15:24.180
  • HE WAS WITH A LESSER
  • 00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:25.190
  • ORGANIZATION, THE BALTIMORE
  • 00:15:25.190 --> 00:15:26.100
  • ORIOLES.
  • 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:26.250
  • - JASON: I TELL PEOPLE, HE'S
  • 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:28.040
  • THE ONLY GUY IN RED SOX AND
  • 00:15:28.040 --> 00:15:29.000
  • CARDINAL'S HISTORY TO EVER PLAY
  • 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:30.150
  • TAILBACK IN BASEBALL.
  • 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:32.000
  • HE WOULD RUN OUT ON THE FIELD
  • 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.030
  • AND THE COACH WOULD SAY, GET
  • 00:15:34.030 --> 00:15:35.140
  • YOUR TAIL BACK ON THE BENCH.
  • 00:15:35.140 --> 00:15:37.080
  • - ERIC: THAT JOKE, EVEN A
  • 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.220
  • FOURTH GRADER MIGHT NOT LAUGH AT
  • 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:40.020
  • THAT.
  • 00:15:40.020 --> 00:15:40.280
  • BUT I LIKED IT.
  • 00:15:40.280 --> 00:15:43.120
  • - DAVID: I DID HEAR SOMEBODY
  • 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:44.220
  • BACK IN THE CORNER OVER THERE
  • 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:45.130
  • LAUGHING.
  • 00:15:45.130 --> 00:15:46.150
  • - JASON: YES, HE DID.
  • 00:15:46.150 --> 00:15:47.020
  • - ERIC: THAT WAS A FOURTH
  • 00:15:47.020 --> 00:15:47.240
  • GRADER.
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.150
  • - DAVID: WE HAD NO BUSINESS
  • 00:15:49.150 --> 00:15:51.250
  • TRAINING WHATSOEVER.
  • 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:54.110
  • AND WE DECIDED TO GET OUR REAL
  • 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:55.020
  • ESTATE LICENSES.
  • 00:15:55.020 --> 00:15:56.200
  • SEVEN YEARS INTO IT, WE HAD 100
  • 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.130
  • OFFICES ACROSS 35 STATES.
  • 00:15:58.190 --> 00:16:01.210
  • WE STARTED OUR COMPANY.
  • 00:16:01.210 --> 00:16:02.160
  • IT JUST BLEW UP.
  • 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:03.290
  • AND APPLYING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES
  • 00:16:04.070 --> 00:16:07.070
  • IN THE MARKETPLACE.
  • 00:16:07.070 --> 00:16:08.020
  • TLC CAME TO US AND MADE AN OFFER
  • 00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:09.090
  • FOR A REALITY SHOW.
  • 00:16:09.090 --> 00:16:10.100
  • HGTV CAME.
  • 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:12.010
  • THEY GOT INTO A BIDDING WAR.
  • 00:16:12.010 --> 00:16:13.070
  • WE CHOSE TO GO WITH HGTV.
  • 00:16:13.070 --> 00:16:15.250
  • THEY DID ALL THE BACKGROUND
  • 00:16:15.250 --> 00:16:16.170
  • CHECKS ON US, FOUND OUT OUR DAD
  • 00:16:16.170 --> 00:16:17.260
  • BAPTIZED NORMA MCCORVEY, WHO IS
  • 00:16:17.260 --> 00:16:19.230
  • THE JANE ROE, ROE V. WADE.
  • 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:22.040
  • SO WE ARE VERY VOCAL PRO-LIFE,
  • 00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:22.250
  • BUT WE WERE ALSO VERY VOCAL IN
  • 00:16:22.250 --> 00:16:24.010
  • 2012 WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA
  • 00:16:24.010 --> 00:16:26.090
  • FLIPPED HIS OPINION ABOUT
  • 00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:27.220
  • MARRIAGE.
  • 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:28.110
  • FOUND OUT THAT THE POLITICAL
  • 00:16:28.110 --> 00:16:29.270
  • WINDS HAD SHIFTED, SO HE WENT
  • 00:16:29.270 --> 00:16:31.120
  • AHEAD AND SHIFTED HIS VIEWS,
  • 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:32.180
  • JASON AND I WERE TWO VOCAL
  • 00:16:32.180 --> 00:16:35.130
  • BUSINESS LEADERS WHO SAY
  • 00:16:35.130 --> 00:16:37.150
  • MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A
  • 00:16:37.150 --> 00:16:38.230
  • WOMAN, AND WHO ARE WE TO
  • 00:16:38.230 --> 00:16:41.080
  • REDEFINE WHAT GOD HAS DEFINED
  • 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.030
  • FROM THE BEGINNING.
  • 00:16:42.030 --> 00:16:43.000
  • - ERIC: SO YOU GUYS ARE NOT
  • 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:43.200
  • MARRIED.
  • 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.090
  • - DAVID: WE ARE NOT MARRIED TO
  • 00:16:44.090 --> 00:16:45.180
  • EACH OTHER.
  • 00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:46.090
  • - ERIC: LET ME TELL YOU
  • 00:16:46.090 --> 00:16:47.100
  • SOMETHING, I'VE HAD ENOUGH.
  • 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:50.040
  • - DAVID: LOVE IT.
  • 00:16:50.040 --> 00:16:51.000
  • - ERIC: YOU GUYS, SERIOUSLY,
  • 00:16:51.290 --> 00:16:54.290
  • YOU WERE VOCAL ABOUT THIS
  • 00:16:54.290 --> 00:16:55.180
  • REALLY RADICAL IDEA THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:16:55.180 --> 00:16:57.120
  • OF FAITH HAVE BELIEVED SINCE THE
  • 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.280
  • BEGINNING OF TIME, THAT MARRIAGE
  • 00:16:59.280 --> 00:17:02.030
  • IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
  • 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:05.110
  • - DAVID: YUP.
  • 00:17:05.110 --> 00:17:05.260
  • - ERIC: AND BECAUSE YOU SPOKE
  • 00:17:05.260 --> 00:17:08.090
  • ABOUT THAT, AND I KNOW YOU, SO
  • 00:17:08.090 --> 00:17:09.210
  • YOU WEREN'T NASTY ABOUT IT, YOU
  • 00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:11.000
  • WERE JUST LIVING OUT YOUR
  • 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.060
  • VALUES, SOMETHING HAPPENED.
  • 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:14.140
  • - DAVID: HGTV DID ALL THEIR
  • 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:16.230
  • BACKGROUND CHECKS.
  • 00:17:16.230 --> 00:17:17.220
  • THEY WERE THROWING A LOT OF
  • 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:19.070
  • MONEY INTO THIS SHOW.
  • 00:17:19.070 --> 00:17:20.020
  • THEY GAVE US NO PILOT.
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:21.090
  • SIX, ONE HOUR EPISODES, STRAIGHT
  • 00:17:21.090 --> 00:17:23.190
  • TO SERIES.
  • 00:17:23.190 --> 00:17:24.110
  • SO, HERE WE ARE NOW NEGOTIATING,
  • 00:17:24.110 --> 00:17:26.050
  • WE FINISHED THE DEAL WITH HGTV.
  • 00:17:26.050 --> 00:17:28.040
  • THEY SAID, HEY, YOU'RE VERY
  • 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:28.240
  • VOCAL WITH SOME OF THESE, WHAT
  • 00:17:28.260 --> 00:17:31.260
  • THEY CALL HOT BUTTON POLITICAL
  • 00:17:31.260 --> 00:17:32.170
  • ISSUES, WE WOULD SIMPLY CALL
  • 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:33.180
  • BUT THEY SAID, GUESS WHAT, GUYS,
  • 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:38.010
  • WE LOVE YOU AND WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:17:38.010 --> 00:17:39.180
  • STICK WITH YOU AND MANY OF US
  • 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:40.280
  • AND THE PRODUCTION COMPANY AND
  • 00:17:44.070 --> 00:17:44.280
  • YOUR AGENTS IN BEVERLY HILLS
  • 00:17:44.280 --> 00:17:45.180
  • BELIEVE LIKE YOU DO, WE JUST
  • 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:46.080
  • DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
  • 00:17:46.080 --> 00:17:47.070
  • SO WE SAID OKAY, GREAT.
  • 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:48.050
  • NO PROBLEM.
  • 00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:48.230
  • THEN WHEN RIGHT WING WATCH AND
  • 00:17:48.230 --> 00:17:50.230
  • SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIVIST
  • 00:17:50.230 --> 00:17:52.020
  • GROUPS FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE
  • 00:17:52.020 --> 00:17:53.290
  • GETTING A SHOW, THAT'S WHEN THEY
  • 00:17:53.290 --> 00:17:54.210
  • STARTED CREATING NEW NARRATIVES
  • 00:17:54.210 --> 00:17:55.230
  • ABOUT THE BENHAM BROTHERS.
  • 00:17:55.230 --> 00:17:56.140
  • AND SO WE WENT ONE DAY BEING
  • 00:17:56.140 --> 00:17:58.210
  • SUCCESSFUL REAL ESTATE --
  • 00:17:58.210 --> 00:17:59.270
  • CHRISTIAN REAL ESTATE
  • 00:17:59.270 --> 00:18:00.290
  • ENTREPRENEURS WITH A REALITY
  • 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:02.180
  • SHOW, TO HATERS,
  • 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:04.200
  • WHATEVER-A-PHOBES AND BIGOTS.
  • 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.040
  • AS A RESULT OF THAT PRESSURE ON
  • 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:09.120
  • HGTV, THE EXECUTIVES THERE
  • 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:11.190
  • CALLED US, AND, LITERALLY ONE OF
  • 00:18:11.190 --> 00:18:13.190
  • THEM WAS CRYING, THE TOP LEADER
  • 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.270
  • AT THE NETWORK WAS CRYING.
  • 00:18:15.270 --> 00:18:16.170
  • SAID I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE
  • 00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:17.220
  • DOING THIS TO YOU AND YOUR
  • 00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:18.240
  • BROTHER, BUT WE HAVE TO CANCEL
  • 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.230
  • THE SHOW BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA
  • 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:20.180
  • COME AFTER OUR ADVERTISERS AND
  • 00:18:20.180 --> 00:18:21.090
  • ALL THIS.
  • 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:21.250
  • SO, JASON AND I SAID, HEY
  • 00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:22.140
  • LISTEN, WE UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:23.080
  • WE LIVE IN A FREE MARKET.
  • 00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:24.080
  • IF YOU WANT TO FIRE US, BUT WE
  • 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:25.160
  • ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO BACK
  • 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.120
  • DOWN TO THE THOUGHT MAFIA.
  • 00:18:27.120 --> 00:18:28.260
  • THAT'S WHEN WE BEGAN TO SPEAK,
  • 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:30.160
  • AND SPEAK OUT IN A LOVING WAY
  • 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.190
  • WITH COURAGE AGAINST THE AGENDA
  • 00:18:32.190 --> 00:18:34.020
  • THAT WANTS TO TRANSFORM OUR
  • 00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:35.140
  • COUNTRY, BUT WITH COMPASSION
  • 00:18:35.140 --> 00:18:37.000
  • TOWARDS THE PEOPLE THAT HOLD TO
  • 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:37.260
  • THAT AGENDA.
  • 00:18:37.260 --> 00:18:39.150
  • - ERIC: THAT'S THE KEY.
  • 00:18:39.150 --> 00:18:40.100
  • IT'S VERY TEMPTING TO BE ANGRY
  • 00:18:40.100 --> 00:18:42.090
  • OR WHATEVER.
  • 00:18:42.090 --> 00:18:44.270
  • I THINK IN A WAY THERE'S A PLACE
  • 00:18:44.270 --> 00:18:46.100
  • FOR ANGER, BUT NOT AT THE
  • 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:48.020
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:18:48.020 --> 00:18:50.260
  • THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE
  • 00:18:50.260 --> 00:18:51.220
  • CONFUSED.
  • 00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:53.080
  • THEY ARE MISGUIDED.
  • 00:18:53.080 --> 00:18:53.290
  • THERE ARE SOME VERY, VERY ANGRY
  • 00:18:53.290 --> 00:18:55.140
  • ACTIVISTS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:57.000
  • AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHO
  • 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.130
  • KNOWS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH.
  • 00:18:59.130 --> 00:19:01.150
  • WE KNOW THAT.
  • 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:02.270
  • - DAVID: OUR BOOK IS FILLED
  • 00:19:02.270 --> 00:19:04.010
  • WITH STORIES ABOUT THOSE TYPES
  • 00:19:04.010 --> 00:19:04.260
  • OF THINGS.
  • 00:19:04.260 --> 00:19:06.010
  • - ERIC: IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT IS
  • 00:19:06.010 --> 00:19:06.220
  • WONDERFUL ABOUT THE TWO OF YOU
  • 00:19:07.190 --> 00:19:10.190
  • IS THAT YOU GET THAT PIECE OF
  • 00:19:10.190 --> 00:19:12.080
  • IT.
  • 00:19:12.080 --> 00:19:13.070
  • THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE
  • 00:19:13.070 --> 00:19:14.080
  • JUST ACTIVISTS, USUALLY
  • 00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:16.020
  • POLITICAL ACTIVISTS AND THEY
  • 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:17.020
  • FORGET THAT APART FROM GOD,
  • 00:19:17.110 --> 00:19:20.110
  • WE'RE ALL BROKEN.
  • 00:19:20.110 --> 00:19:23.030
  • - JASON: WHAT WE SAY, THERE'S A
  • 00:19:23.030 --> 00:19:23.290
  • DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN IDEA AND
  • 00:19:23.290 --> 00:19:25.180
  • AN INDIVIDUAL.
  • 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:26.170
  • WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REACH OUT WITH
  • 00:19:26.170 --> 00:19:28.150
  • COMPASSION TO ALL INDIVIDUALS
  • 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:30.240
  • WHILE RESISTING WITH BOLDNESS
  • 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.050
  • IDEAS THAT WOULD KEEP THOSE
  • 00:19:33.050 --> 00:19:34.250
  • INDIVIDUALS CAPTIVE.
  • 00:19:34.250 --> 00:19:35.240
  • AGAIN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE
  • 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:37.120
  • WROTE THE BOOK.
  • 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:38.150
  • HAVING TAKEN THAT STAND AND
  • 00:19:38.150 --> 00:19:40.090
  • SEEING IN OUR OWN LIVES, THERE
  • 00:19:40.090 --> 00:19:43.090
  • ARE TWO DITCHES WHEN IT COMES TO
  • 00:19:43.090 --> 00:19:45.080
  • STANDING BOLDLY FOR YOUR FAITH,
  • 00:19:45.080 --> 00:19:47.050
  • OR STANDING BOLDLY FOR YOUR
  • 00:19:47.050 --> 00:19:49.010
  • BELIEFS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
  • 00:19:49.010 --> 00:19:49.290
  • THERE ARE TWO DITCHES ON BOTH
  • 00:19:49.290 --> 00:19:51.020
  • SIDES.
  • 00:19:51.020 --> 00:19:51.180
  • BOLDNESS APART FROM BROKENNESS
  • 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:53.080
  • MAKES YOU A BULLY.
  • 00:19:53.080 --> 00:19:54.170
  • WHERE YOU'RE JUST OPERATING IN A
  • 00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:56.050
  • SPIRIT OF ANGER AND YOU'RE OUT
  • 00:19:56.050 --> 00:19:57.220
  • TO GET THE PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:57.220 --> 00:19:58.230
  • ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A
  • 00:19:58.230 --> 00:20:00.200
  • DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:01.210
  • THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF
  • 00:20:01.210 --> 00:20:02.190
  • CHRISTIANS FIND THEMSELVES
  • 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:03.110
  • TODAY.
  • 00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:03.260
  • BROKENNESS, WHERE THEY'RE
  • 00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:05.280
  • SUBMITTED TO GOD AND ALL OF
  • 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:07.210
  • THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:20:07.210 --> 00:20:09.110
  • BROKENNESS APART FROM BOLDNESS
  • 00:20:09.110 --> 00:20:11.060
  • MAKES YOU A BYSTANDER.
  • 00:20:11.060 --> 00:20:12.260
  • YOU CAN BE A BYSTANDER ON ONE
  • 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:14.170
  • SIDE WHERE YOU SIT AND DON'T SAY
  • 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:16.240
  • ANYTHING, OR YOU CAN BE A BULLY
  • 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:17.160
  • ON THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:18.240
  • THE KEY IS TO BE BOLD ON A
  • 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.220
  • FOUNDATION OF BROKENNESS.
  • 00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:22.160
  • TO ALLOW YOUR BROKENNESS, WHICH
  • 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.030
  • IS SUBMISSION TO GOD AND
  • 00:20:24.030 --> 00:20:25.060
  • HUMILITY TO BE THE FUEL FOR YOUR
  • 00:20:25.060 --> 00:20:26.190
  • BOLDNESS, AND WHEN YOU DO THAT
  • 00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:28.010
  • YOU BECOME A BRIDGE THAT
  • 00:20:28.010 --> 00:20:29.120
  • CONNECTS HEAVEN TO EARTH.
  • 00:20:29.120 --> 00:20:30.170
  • WHICH MEANS YOU CONNECT GOD TO
  • 00:20:30.170 --> 00:20:32.060
  • THE PEOPLE THAT HE WANTS TO
  • 00:20:32.060 --> 00:20:33.190
  • CONNECT TO.
  • 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:34.040
  • THAT'S THE KEY, AND THAT IS
  • 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:35.230
  • EXACTLY WHY WE WROTE THAT BOOK.
  • 00:20:35.230 --> 00:20:36.210
  • - ERIC: YOU WROTE A BOOK ABOUT
  • 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:37.200
  • THIS STUFF?
  • 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.060
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:38.210
  • - JASON: YES.
  • 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:39.170
  • - ERIC: IS THAT THE BOOK RIGHT
  • 00:20:39.170 --> 00:20:40.090
  • THERE?
  • 00:20:40.090 --> 00:20:40.180
  • - JASON: THE ONE YOUR BOOK IS
  • 00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:41.090
  • BOWING TO.
  • 00:20:41.090 --> 00:20:42.090
  • - ERIC: MY BOOK IS BOWING DOWN
  • 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:43.040
  • TO THE SEVEN SHEAVES OF WHEAT.
  • 00:20:43.040 --> 00:20:45.040
  • - DAVID: EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:20:45.040 --> 00:20:46.020
  • SEVEN SHEAVES.
  • 00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:47.060
  • - ERIC: NO, IT'S THE SEVEN
  • 00:20:47.060 --> 00:20:48.080
  • SHEAVES BOWING DOWN TO YOUR
  • 00:20:48.080 --> 00:20:49.000
  • BOOK.
  • 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.210
  • I APOLOGIZE.
  • 00:20:50.210 --> 00:20:51.070
  • - JASON: THANK YOU.
  • 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:52.050
  • - ERIC: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
  • 00:20:52.050 --> 00:20:53.130
  • THE OLD TESTAMENT INTO THIS AS A
  • 00:20:53.170 --> 00:20:56.170
  • WAY OF BULLYING ME, THAT YOU
  • 00:20:56.170 --> 00:20:58.250
  • WOULD USE GOD'S WORD TO BULLY
  • 00:20:58.250 --> 00:20:59.290
  • ME.
  • 00:20:59.290 --> 00:21:00.180
  • - JASON: YOU GOT IT.
  • 00:21:00.180 --> 00:21:02.170
  • - ERIC: PART OF THE REASON I
  • 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:03.200
  • WANTED TO HAVE YOU GUYS ON, I
  • 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:04.190
  • THINK THAT IN THIS CULTURE, WE
  • 00:21:04.190 --> 00:21:07.030
  • NEED TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING
  • 00:21:07.030 --> 00:21:09.270
  • MODELED.
  • 00:21:09.270 --> 00:21:11.180
  • BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY
  • 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:12.180
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:13.150
  • THEY'RE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT OR
  • 00:21:13.150 --> 00:21:15.170
  • THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK
  • 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:16.270
  • OUT.
  • 00:21:16.270 --> 00:21:18.060
  • THEY GET THE IMAGE OF PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:21:18.060 --> 00:21:19.170
  • EITHER KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT
  • 00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:20.220
  • LIKE YOU SAID, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:22.100
  • BOLD AND NASTY.
  • 00:21:22.100 --> 00:21:23.110
  • I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME ON
  • 00:21:23.110 --> 00:21:25.180
  • CONSERVATIVE TV, THAT PEOPLE ACT
  • 00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:28.140
  • LIKE THEY ARE-- EVEN WHEN YOU
  • 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.160
  • SEE PEOPLE JUMPING ON THE OLD
  • 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.130
  • YEARBOOK PHOTO, ISN'T THAT WHAT
  • 00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:36.000
  • THE OTHER SIDE IS SUPPOSED TO
  • 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.190
  • DO?
  • 00:21:37.190 --> 00:21:38.190
  • DREDGE STUFF UP FROM 50 YEARS
  • 00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:40.030
  • AGO?
  • 00:21:40.030 --> 00:21:40.260
  • LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES.
  • 00:21:40.260 --> 00:21:42.180
  • IF THE GUY IS TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:44.170
  • HAVING A BABY BORN AND THEN
  • 00:21:44.170 --> 00:21:46.100
  • LETTING IT DIE, LET'S TALK ABOUT
  • 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:47.280
  • THAT.
  • 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:49.010
  • BUT, THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE
  • 00:21:49.010 --> 00:21:51.140
  • LIBERALS BOTH CAN BE NASTY
  • 00:21:51.140 --> 00:21:53.020
  • WITHOUT THE BROKENNESS.
  • 00:21:53.110 --> 00:21:56.110
  • - DAVID: SOMETHING WE LEARNED
  • 00:21:56.110 --> 00:21:57.040
  • WHEN WE WERE KIDS, OUR DAD USED
  • 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:58.250
  • TO SAY, CONSERVATISM IS PRETEND
  • 00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:00.080
  • SALT.
  • 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:02.050
  • IT ACTS LIKE SALT, TASTES LIKE
  • 00:22:02.050 --> 00:22:03.210
  • SALT, SEEKS THE VOTE OF SALT,
  • 00:22:03.210 --> 00:22:04.290
  • BUT IT'S NOT TRUE SALT.
  • 00:22:04.290 --> 00:22:06.250
  • SALT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD INSIDE
  • 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:09.040
  • OF US LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:11.000
  • HERE IS THE CRUCIAL PART OF THIS
  • 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.190
  • WHOLE BOOK.
  • 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:13.160
  • THE STORIES WE TELL ARE WHEN,
  • 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:15.240
  • YES, YOU DO WANT TO PROVE THE
  • 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.000
  • POINT BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO
  • 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.110
  • WIN THE PERSON.
  • 00:22:19.110 --> 00:22:20.060
  • - ERIC: THAT IS INTERESTING.
  • 00:22:20.060 --> 00:22:21.240
  • A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE HAVE THIS
  • 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.210
  • IDEA IN THEIR HEAD ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:25.080
  • THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY ABOUT
  • 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:27.160
  • THEIR FAITH, AND IT BECOMES VERY
  • 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.150
  • WOODEN AND UNCOMFORTABLE.
  • 00:22:29.150 --> 00:22:30.190
  • IT'S NO FUN.
  • 00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:32.080
  • THEY FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT TO GIVE
  • 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:33.280
  • YOU THE FOUR SPIRITUAL LAWS.
  • 00:22:33.280 --> 00:22:35.050
  • IT BECOMES RELIGIOUS.
  • 00:22:35.050 --> 00:22:37.040
  • - JASON: AND WE HAVE A CHAPTER
  • 00:22:37.040 --> 00:22:38.250
  • IN THERE TITLED, A FISHING HOLE,
  • 00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:40.220
  • OR "I'M GOING FISHING," IS THE
  • 00:22:40.220 --> 00:22:41.170
  • NAME OF IT.
  • 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:42.050
  • WE TALK ABOUT OUR FRIEND WHO IS
  • 00:22:42.050 --> 00:22:44.080
  • A PROFESSIONAL FISHERMAN.
  • 00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:45.220
  • HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE TO GO.
  • 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:47.260
  • HE GETS THE RIGHT STUFF TO
  • 00:22:47.260 --> 00:22:49.050
  • ATTRACT THE FISH AND ALL THESE
  • 00:22:49.050 --> 00:22:50.130
  • THINGS.
  • 00:22:50.130 --> 00:22:51.030
  • SO WHAT WE TALK TO FOLKS ABOUT,
  • 00:22:51.030 --> 00:22:53.040
  • WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING A
  • 00:22:53.040 --> 00:22:54.220
  • BRIDGE THAT CONNECTS HEAVEN TO
  • 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:55.260
  • EARTH, LOOK AT THE COMMUNITIES
  • 00:22:55.260 --> 00:22:56.220
  • WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE YOU SHOP.
  • 00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:58.240
  • MAYBE YOU CAN BE THE CONNECTION
  • 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:00.120
  • FOR THAT BAGGER THAT IS ALWAYS
  • 00:23:00.120 --> 00:23:03.090
  • THE PERSON YOU'RE SEEING EVERY
  • 00:23:03.090 --> 00:23:04.080
  • TIME YOU GO TO THAT GROCERY
  • 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:05.110
  • STORE.
  • 00:23:05.110 --> 00:23:05.250
  • - DAVID: CAN I INTERRUPT AND
  • 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:09.210
  • SAY THAT REAL QUICK, IS THAT, AS
  • 00:23:09.210 --> 00:23:10.130
  • A MATTER OF FACT, WHILE WE WERE
  • 00:23:10.130 --> 00:23:11.050
  • WRITING THIS BOOK, JASON AND I
  • 00:23:11.050 --> 00:23:12.110
  • SHOP AT A PARTICULAR GROCERY
  • 00:23:12.110 --> 00:23:13.010
  • STORE IN CHARLOTTE.
  • 00:23:13.010 --> 00:23:14.250
  • AND I WENT IN THERE, AND THE GUY
  • 00:23:14.250 --> 00:23:16.220
  • THAT WAS BAGGING MY GROCERIES, I
  • 00:23:16.220 --> 00:23:17.140
  • JUST SIMPLY SAID, JESUS LOVES
  • 00:23:17.150 --> 00:23:20.150
  • I SAID, HEY, HAS ANYBODY TOLD
  • 00:23:21.260 --> 00:23:22.200
  • YOU JESUS LOVES YOU TODAY?
  • 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:23.090
  • HE JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT ME.
  • 00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:24.000
  • I SAID, JESUS LOVES YOU.
  • 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:24.180
  • I WALK OUT, DON'T THINK ANYTHING
  • 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:25.100
  • OF IT.
  • 00:23:25.100 --> 00:23:25.190
  • TWO WEEKS LATER THE GUY SHOWS UP
  • 00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:26.110
  • IN MY GYM.
  • 00:23:26.110 --> 00:23:28.150
  • HE'S WORKING OUT IN THE CROSSFIT
  • 00:23:28.150 --> 00:23:29.090
  • CLASS I'M IN.
  • 00:23:29.090 --> 00:23:31.030
  • I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM.
  • 00:23:31.030 --> 00:23:31.210
  • AFTER CLASS WAS OVER.
  • 00:23:31.210 --> 00:23:33.080
  • HE CAME UP TO ME.
  • 00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:34.250
  • HE'S VERY NERVOUS.
  • 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:35.210
  • HIS EYES ARE LOOKING BACK AND
  • 00:23:35.210 --> 00:23:37.020
  • FORTH.
  • 00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:37.140
  • HE SAYS, DO YOU MIND IF I TALK
  • 00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:39.080
  • TO YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE?
  • 00:23:39.080 --> 00:23:40.200
  • I'M LIKE, YEAH, OF COURSE.
  • 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.270
  • IN MY MIND I'M THINKING, WHY
  • 00:23:41.270 --> 00:23:43.070
  • WOULD THIS RANDOM DUDE WANT TO
  • 00:23:43.070 --> 00:23:44.180
  • TALK TO ME?
  • 00:23:44.180 --> 00:23:45.120
  • HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE REALLY
  • 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:46.270
  • BEEN STRUGGLING WITH ANXIETY,
  • 00:23:46.270 --> 00:23:48.070
  • AND I ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST
  • 00:23:48.070 --> 00:23:49.270
  • COUPLE WEEKS HAVE BEEN
  • 00:23:49.270 --> 00:23:51.250
  • CONSIDERING SUICIDE.
  • 00:23:51.250 --> 00:23:52.250
  • I SAID, ARE YOU SERIOUS?
  • 00:23:52.250 --> 00:23:55.110
  • HE SAID, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING
  • 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:57.080
  • TO ME IN THE GROCERY STORE AND
  • 00:23:57.080 --> 00:23:59.000
  • ALL OF A SUDDEN I REMEMBERED.
  • 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.110
  • YOU'RE THE DUDE I SAID JESUS
  • 00:24:00.110 --> 00:24:01.200
  • LOVES YOU TO.
  • 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.020
  • HE SAID, YEAH, AND I KNEW I
  • 00:24:03.020 --> 00:24:04.050
  • COULD TALK TO YOU.
  • 00:24:04.050 --> 00:24:05.170
  • IT IS LIKE I COULDN'T BELIEVE
  • 00:24:05.170 --> 00:24:07.120
  • IT, SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE.
  • 00:24:07.120 --> 00:24:09.080
  • I ENDED UP TAKING THE GUY OUT TO
  • 00:24:09.080 --> 00:24:10.220
  • LUNCH.
  • 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:11.080
  • I BROUGHT HIM TO CHURCH WITH ME.
  • 00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:12.240
  • HE WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES IN
  • 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.260
  • COLLEGE WITH HIS TUITION.
  • 00:24:14.260 --> 00:24:16.050
  • OUR COMPANY WAS ABLE TO COME
  • 00:24:16.050 --> 00:24:18.030
  • AROUND AND HELP HIM OUT A LITTLE
  • 00:24:18.030 --> 00:24:18.250
  • BIT.
  • 00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:19.140
  • LONG STORY SHORT, GOD USED US TO
  • 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:21.250
  • STEP IN BECAUSE WE JUST SAID
  • 00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:24.140
  • SOMETHING SMALL.
  • 00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:25.170
  • IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT
  • 00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:26.100
  • WAY.
  • 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:26.260
  • WE NEED TO BE GOD'S PEOPLE TO DO
  • 00:24:26.290 --> 00:24:29.290
  • THIS.
  • 00:24:29.290 --> 00:24:30.200
  • - ERIC: SERIOUSLY, THAT IS SO
  • 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:32.080
  • STINKING AWESOME.
  • 00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:32.290
  • I LOVE IT.
  • 00:24:32.290 --> 00:24:33.180
  • FOLKS, IT CALLED "BOLD AND
  • 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.050
  • BROKEN."
  • 00:24:36.050 --> 00:24:36.220
  • NOW, IF YOU DON'T BUY
  • 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:37.090
  • A COPY YOU'LL MISS A LOT OF
  • 00:24:37.090 --> 00:24:38.100
  • STUFF.
  • 00:24:38.100 --> 00:24:40.130
  • THERE'S SO MUCH.
  • 00:24:40.130 --> 00:24:40.290
  • WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
  • 00:24:40.290 --> 00:24:42.200
  • WHEN YOU'RE BACK IN NEW YORK, WE
  • 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:43.120
  • NEED TO CONTINUE THIS
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:45.080
  • CONVERSATION, FELLOWS.
  • 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:46.110
  • - DAVID: YES, SIR.
  • 00:24:46.110 --> 00:24:47.050
  • - ERIC: GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:24:47.050 --> 00:24:48.020
  • FOLKS, THANKS FOR LISTENING.
  • 00:24:48.020 --> 00:24:50.250