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Guests Brian Ivie and Dimas Salaberrios

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July 26, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guests Brian Ivie and Dimas Salaberrios

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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [BOINK]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [CRASH]
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  • [CHEERS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY, I'M
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  • TALKING THIS HOUR TO A FILM
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  • DIRECTOR.
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  • HE LIVES IN L.A., WHERE A LOT
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  • OF FILM DIRECTORS LIVE.
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  • AND HE HAS CREATED TWO FILMS.
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  • YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT BOTH
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  • OF THEM.
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  • ONE OF THEM WAS "THE DROP BOX,"
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  • WHICH WAS AN EXPOSÉ ON ABANDONED
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  • KIDS IN SOUTH KOREA.
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  • TREMENDOUS.
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  • BUT THE NEW FILM IS TITLED
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  • "EMANUEL," AND IT'S ABOUT THE
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  • 2015 CHURCH SHOOTING IN
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  • CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND
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  • WE THOUGHT, "LET'S GET
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  • BRIAN IVIE IN THE STUDIO,"
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  • AND HERE HE IS.
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  • BRIAN, WELCOME.
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  • - BRIAN IVIE: THANKS, ERIC.
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  • HAPPY TO BE HERE.
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  • - ERIC: REALLY, THIS IS A VERY
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  • BIG DEAL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT YOU
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  • TACKLED THIS SUBJECT.
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  • SO I HAVE TO ASK YOU A LITTLE
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  • ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND 'CAUSE I'M
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  • ALWAYS FASCINATED.
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  • WHERE'D YOU GROW UP?
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  • - BRIAN: I GREW UP IN ORANGE
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  • COUNTY.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO KIND OF IN THE
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  • FILM WORLD-- I MEAN,
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  • YOU'RE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
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  • BUT DID YOU KNOW EARLY ON YOU
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  • WANTED TO BE A FILMMAKER?
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  • - BRIAN: SINCE I WAS NINE.
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  • - ERIC: IS THAT RIGHT?
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH, I GREW UP MAKING
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  • MOVIES WITH MY FRIENDS EVERY
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  • SUMMER, SO I'D FIND THE KIDS
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  • WHO LOOKED MOST LIKE ELVES OR
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  • TROLLS, AND WE WOULD DO
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  • "FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING"
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  • AND I'D KNOCK ON DOORS, AND
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  • WHOEVER WOULD MAKE A MOVIE WITH
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  • ME, THAT WAS MY DEAL.
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  • - ERIC: HOLY COW, AND WHAT DID
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  • YOU USE TO MAKE A MOVIE?
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  • - BRIAN: MY DAD'S
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  • VIDEO CAMERA.
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  • IT WAS VERY MUCH LIKE THAT
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  • WHOLE SCENE.
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  • IT WAS SOMETHIN' OUT OF-- IT WAS
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  • LIKE "SUPER 8," YOU KNOW.
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  • SO WE WOULD DO THAT, AND,
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  • OBVIOUSLY, NONE OF THIS SAID
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  • TO MY PARENTS THAT I SHOULD DO
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  • THIS AS A CAREER, BUT IT WAS
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  • FUN.
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  • - ERIC: YEAH, AND AT WHAT POINT
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  • DID YOU THINK YOU WOULD DO IT AS
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  • A CAREER?
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  • - BRIAN: YOU KNOW, I THINK--
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  • WELL, IN HIGH SCHOOL, I STARTED
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  • A CINEMA CLUB, WHICH ALSO MEANT
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  • I DIDN'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND, BUT
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  • I WOULD WATCH "GLENGARRY GLEN
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  • ROSS," AND A LOT OF FILM NOIRS,
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  • AND COOL STUFF.
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  • - ERIC: A LOT OF FILM-OUT
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  • STUFF, THINKIN' YOU'RE COOL THAT
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  • YOU COULD--
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  • - BRIAN: VERY COOL, MILOS
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  • FORMAN, OH YES.
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  • - ERIC: MILOS?
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  • ANYBODY NAMED MILOS IS COOL.
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  • DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF IT'S
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  • MILOS FORMAN--
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  • - BRIAN: AMEN.
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  • - ERIC: -- OR CHEZLO MILOS.
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  • DOESN'T MATTER.
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  • "MILOS," WOW.
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  • OKAY, SO, LIKE, ARTSY STUFF.
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  • - BRIAN: VERY ARTSY, AND MY
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  • PARENTS, AT THIS POINT, DECIDED
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  • I SHOULD BECOME AN
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  • ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • AND THEN I WAS ADMITTED SOMEHOW
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  • INTO USC FILM SCHOOL, AND THAT'S
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  • HOW IT REALLY STARTED.
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  • - ERIC: RIGHT, WOW, SO YOUR
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  • FIRST FEATURE FILM DOCUMENTARY
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  • WAS "THE DROP BOX"?
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  • - BRIAN: CORRECT, YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: AND WHAT YEAR DID THAT
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  • COME OUT?
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  • - BRIAN: 2015.
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  • - ERIC: WOW, TIME FLIES.
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH, IT DOES.
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  • - ERIC: TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT
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  • THAT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEW
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  • ONE.
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  • - BRIAN: SURE, YEAH, SO ON JUNE
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  • 20TH, 2011, I ACTUALLY READ AN
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  • ARTICLE IN THE "L.A. TIMES,"
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  • PHYSICAL NEWSPAPER, ABOUT THIS
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  • PASTOR IN SOUTH KOREA WHO HAD
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  • BUILT A MAILBOX FOR ABANDONED
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  • BABIES INTO THE WALL OF
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  • HIS CHURCH.
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  • HE'D RESCUED ABOUT 40 CHILDREN.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, THIS IS NOT A
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  • JOKE?
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  • THIS IS, LIKE, A LITERAL MAILBOX
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  • THAT YOU'D PUT YOUR BABY IN THE
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  • MAILBOX, AND THEY'D OPEN IT UP
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  • IN THE MORNING AND SEE IF
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  • THERE'S A HUMAN INSIDE?
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  • - BRIAN: CORRECT, YEP.
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  • AND WHEN WE WERE THERE THE FIRST
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  • TIME, THERE WERE TWO KIDS
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  • DROPPED IN THE BOX, AND WHAT
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  • HAPPENS IS, YOU DROP THEM IN,
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  • AND AN ALARM GOES OFF IN THE
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  • HOUSE.
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  • EVERYBODY RUSHES AROUND, AND ONE
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  • OF THE KIDS IN THE ORPHANAGE
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  • DESCRIBED IT TO ME LATER LIKE,
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  • "BEFORE THE BOX, THE ALARM, IT'S
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  • LIKE HEAVEN, AND THEN IT'S LIKE
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  • A WAR IN HEAVEN."
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  • AND SO THIS WOULD HAPPEN
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  • ALL THE TIME, AND, TO DATE,
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  • PASTOR LEE HAS RESCUED OVER
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  • A THOUSAND KIDS THIS WAY.
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  • - ERIC: A THOUSAND.
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  • - BRIAN: MM-HMM.
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  • - ERIC: SO, AND, OBVIOUSLY, YOU
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  • PUT HIM ON THE MAP FOR, AT
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  • LEAST, THOSE OF US HERE IN THE
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  • WEST THAT WOULD HAVE NO CLUE
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  • WHAT'S GOING ON IN KOREA.
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH, YEAH, HONORED
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  • TO.
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  • - ERIC: AND JUST BECAUSE YOU
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  • READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT, YOU
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH, I ENDED UP
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  • SENDING AN E-MAIL TO HIM THROUGH
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  • MY ASSISTANT, CHERYL, WHO
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  • AND WE ENDED UP CONNECTING WITH
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  • HIM THROUGH A GOOGLE-TRANSLATED
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  • EMAIL, AND HE RESPONDED TO ME A
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  • MONTH LATER.
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  • YEAH, CLEARLY, GOOGLE TRANSLATED
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  • BACK TO ME, SAYING, "DEAR BRIAN,
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  • THIS IS PASTOR LEE.
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  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO
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  • MAKE A DOCUMENTARY FILM ABOUT MY
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  • LIFE, EXACTLY, BUT YOU CAN COME
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  • LIVE WITH ME IF YOU WANT."
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  • AND SO THAT WAS MY
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  • FIRST INVITATION,
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  • AND ME, MY LITTLE BROTHER, AND
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  • ALL THE KIDS WHO USED TO STAR AS
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  • "GIMLI" AND "LEGOLAS," AND
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  • "ARAGORN," IN ALL OF MY FILMS,
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  • FLEW TO SOUTH KOREA TO MAKE THE
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  • FILM.
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  • - ERIC: WOW.
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: AND THAT DID PRETTY
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  • WELL, I HAVE TO SAY, BUT THIS
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  • NEW ONE, IT'S SHARPLY IN
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  • CONTRAST TO THE FILM YOU JUST
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  • DESCRIBED BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY
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  • HAPPY STORY.
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  • IT SORT OF STARTS OUT SAD, BUT
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  • THERE'S A HAPPY, BEAUTIFUL PIECE
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  • TO IT.
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  • THE STORY OF THIS SHOOTING, OF
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  • THIS MURDER OF NINE PEOPLE FOUR
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  • YEARS AGO, IT PUTS US RIGHT UP
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  • AGAINST EVIL--
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  • - BRIAN: FOR SURE.
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  • - ERIC: -- AS CLEAR AS EVIL CAN
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  • BE 'CAUSE, A LOT OF TIMES, EVIL
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  • IS MITIGATED, SO YOU DON'T CALL
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  • IT "EVIL."
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  • YOU SAY IT'S "TRAGIC,"
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  • OR IT'S "MISCOMMUNICATION,"
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  • BUT THIS IS ONE OF
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  • THOSE CASES WHERE,
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  • IF YOU'RE LOOKIN' FOR EVIL,
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  • HERE YOU GO.
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  • - BRIAN: OF COURSE.
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  • - ERIC: SO AT WHAT POINT DID
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  • YOU DECIDE YOU WANTED TO MAKE A
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  • FILM ABOUT THIS, AND WHY?
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  • - BRIAN: SURE, YEAH, SO, AS ALL
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  • GOOD STORIES DO, MINE STARTS
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  • WITH A GIRL.
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  • I WAS ACTUALLY-- THE FIRST TIME
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  • I SAW AMANDA, SHE WAS STANDING
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  • WAIST DEEP IN A FOUNTAIN ON
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  • CAMPUS AT USC.
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  • - ERIC: IS AMANDA YOUR WIFE?
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  • - BRIAN: WELL, SHE WOULD BECOME
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  • MY WIFE.
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  • - ERIC: SHE WOULD BECOME YOUR
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  • WIFE.
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  • - BRIAN: YEAH, THE FIRST TIME I
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  • SAW HER, SHE WAS ABOUT TO BE
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  • BAPTIZED, AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS
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  • CRAZY.
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  • LITTLE DID I KNOW, A FEW YEARS
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  • LATER, I'D BE BAPTIZED IN THE
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  • SAME FOUNTAIN, AND SHE WOULD
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  • BECOME MY WIFE.
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  • AND SO, IN JUNE 2015, I WAS ON
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  • MY HONEYMOON, AND I WAS STANDING
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  • ON THE BALCONY, AND I HAD MY
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  • BIBLE, AND I WALKED INTO THE
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  • BEDROOM, AND I SAW MY WIFE JUST
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  • WEEPING.
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  • I LOOKED AT HER, AND SHE WAS
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  • JUST WEEPING, BAWLING, WATCHING
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  • A VIDEO ON HER LAPTOP, AND SHE
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  • LOOKED UP AT ME AND SAID, "NINE
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  • PEOPLE JUST GOT SHOT IN THEIR
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  • BIBLE STUDY."
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  • AND SHE EXPLAINED TO ME
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  • THAT THERE WAS A WHITE KID,
  • 00:06:11.220 --> 00:06:12.240
  • WALKED INTO A HISTORICALLY
  • 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.020
  • BLACK CHURCH, WAITED FOR 45
  • 00:06:14.020 --> 00:06:14.250
  • MINUTES IN PRAYER WITH THESE
  • 00:06:14.250 --> 00:06:16.130
  • PEOPLE, AND THEN PULLED OUT A
  • 00:06:16.130 --> 00:06:17.090
  • GUN, STARTED TO EXECUTE THEM.
  • 00:06:17.090 --> 00:06:18.250
  • I HAD BEEN OFF THE GRID, OF
  • 00:06:18.250 --> 00:06:20.290
  • COURSE, ON MY HONEYMOON, SO I
  • 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:21.290
  • HAD NO IDEA.
  • 00:06:21.290 --> 00:06:24.140
  • AND THEN, SHE LOOKED AT ME AGAIN
  • 00:06:24.140 --> 00:06:25.060
  • AND SAID, "NO, YOU DON'T
  • 00:06:25.060 --> 00:06:25.260
  • UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:06:25.260 --> 00:06:26.180
  • THE FAMILIES ARE FORGIVING THE
  • 00:06:26.180 --> 00:06:27.260
  • MURDERER RIGHT NOW IN COURT."
  • 00:06:28.010 --> 00:06:31.010
  • AND SO SHE SAID, "WATCH THIS,"
  • 00:06:31.010 --> 00:06:32.080
  • AND I WATCHED THE FAMILIES, ONE
  • 00:06:32.080 --> 00:06:33.000
  • BY ONE, STAND AND FORGIVE THE
  • 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:34.030
  • MAN WHO HAD KILLED THEIR LOVED
  • 00:06:34.030 --> 00:06:36.010
  • ONES, 48 HOURS EARLIER, AND
  • 00:06:36.010 --> 00:06:37.110
  • THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED FOR ME.
  • 00:06:37.110 --> 00:06:39.020
  • - ERIC: HOW LONG DID IT TAKE
  • 00:06:39.020 --> 00:06:40.130
  • YOU TO MAKE THIS FILM?
  • 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:43.240
  • BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED FOUR YEARS
  • 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.040
  • AGO, AND YOU SAID YOU SAW YOUR
  • 00:06:46.270 --> 00:06:49.270
  • WIFE WEEPING ON YOUR HONEYMOON
  • 00:06:49.270 --> 00:06:51.170
  • AND THAT-- SO, SUDDENLY, YOU
  • 00:06:51.170 --> 00:06:52.070
  • KNOW, YOU'RE CATAPULTED INTO THE
  • 00:06:52.070 --> 00:06:54.060
  • STORY, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU
  • 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:55.170
  • KNEW RIGHT AWAY YOU'D WANNA MAKE
  • 00:06:55.170 --> 00:06:56.130
  • A FILM OR--
  • 00:06:56.130 --> 00:06:57.270
  • - BRIAN: NO, DEFINITELY NOT.
  • 00:06:57.270 --> 00:06:58.260
  • I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS REALLY
  • 00:06:58.260 --> 00:07:00.280
  • MY PLACE, AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
  • 00:07:00.280 --> 00:07:02.120
  • IF THEY SHOULD MAKE A MOVIE
  • 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.130
  • ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
  • 00:07:04.130 --> 00:07:05.040
  • IT'S JUST SOMETHING THE FAMILIES
  • 00:07:07.220 --> 00:07:08.140
  • DIDN'T NEED TO RELIVE, IN MANY
  • 00:07:08.140 --> 00:07:09.050
  • RESPECTS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
  • 00:07:09.050 --> 00:07:11.000
  • REDEMPTIVE NATURE OF THE
  • 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.060
  • RESPONSE, IT FELT LIKE THAT
  • 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:15.020
  • AND SO I ACTUALLY WAITED ABOUT A
  • 00:07:19.070 --> 00:07:19.290
  • YEAR TO GO AND VISIT.
  • 00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:20.160
  • - ERIC: THIS IS THE OTHER
  • 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.050
  • THING.
  • 00:07:21.050 --> 00:07:21.170
  • IN CASE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR
  • 00:07:21.170 --> 00:07:22.090
  • CLARITY OF EVIL, WHY A BIBLE
  • 00:07:22.090 --> 00:07:23.190
  • STUDY?
  • 00:07:23.190 --> 00:07:25.070
  • DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT?
  • 00:07:25.070 --> 00:07:26.130
  • BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING I
  • 00:07:26.130 --> 00:07:28.020
  • NEVER PICKED UP ON.
  • 00:07:28.020 --> 00:07:28.260
  • LIKE, WHY A BIBLE STUDY?
  • 00:07:28.260 --> 00:07:31.080
  • - BRIAN: WELL, I THINK PEOPLE
  • 00:07:31.080 --> 00:07:31.290
  • ATTACH THE ADJECTIVE TO HIM IN
  • 00:07:31.290 --> 00:07:33.230
  • PARTICULAR BECAUSE HE WAS
  • 00:07:33.230 --> 00:07:34.150
  • SELF-AVOWED AS KILLING THEM
  • 00:07:34.150 --> 00:07:36.150
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK AND HE'S
  • 00:07:36.150 --> 00:07:39.110
  • WHITE, BUT I ALSO THINK HE CHOSE
  • 00:07:39.110 --> 00:07:40.180
  • THE BIBLE STUDY BECAUSE, AS SICK
  • 00:07:40.180 --> 00:07:42.230
  • AS IT IS, AND AS EVIL AS IT IS,
  • 00:07:42.230 --> 00:07:44.070
  • IT WAS A PLACE WHERE THERE WAS
  • 00:07:44.070 --> 00:07:45.090
  • BOUND TO BE NO SECURITY AND VERY
  • 00:07:45.090 --> 00:07:47.000
  • LITTLE CHANCE THAT THEY WOULD BE
  • 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.230
  • ABLE TO FIGHT BACK.
  • 00:07:49.230 --> 00:07:51.190
  • AND THEN, ALSO, IN THE
  • 00:07:51.190 --> 00:07:52.210
  • AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, IT
  • 00:07:52.210 --> 00:07:53.240
  • IS THE HEARTBEAT OF THAT
  • 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.120
  • COMMUNITY, SO AS WE SAY IN THE
  • 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.280
  • FILM, "IF YOU REALLY WANNA HURT
  • 00:07:56.280 --> 00:07:57.200
  • YOU GO TO WHAT MATTERS TO THEM."
  • 00:07:59.210 --> 00:08:01.060
  • AND SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN
  • 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:01.280
  • THE FILM TALKING ABOUT THE
  • 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:03.120
  • HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, HOW IT
  • 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.220
  • WAS A PLACE THAT RE-HUMANIZED
  • 00:08:04.220 --> 00:08:05.250
  • AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHEN THEY WERE
  • 00:08:05.250 --> 00:08:07.010
  • AND HE KNEW THAT HISTORY AND HAD
  • 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.180
  • SCOUTED THIS PLACE OUT AS AN
  • 00:08:10.180 --> 00:08:13.000
  • ICONIC SYMBOL OF BLACK
  • 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:14.110
  • INDEPENDENCE AND PRIDE.
  • 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:15.260
  • - ERIC: BUT, SO, WHEN YOU
  • 00:08:15.260 --> 00:08:17.010
  • TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:08:17.010 --> 00:08:19.110
  • SURVIVED THIS, AND THEN WHO
  • 00:08:19.110 --> 00:08:21.170
  • OPENLY FORGAVE, YOU MENTION THAT
  • 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.020
  • THEY ALMOST FELT A-- KIND OF A
  • 00:08:23.110 --> 00:08:26.110
  • COMPULSION TO DO SO, THAT GOD
  • 00:08:26.110 --> 00:08:27.090
  • SORT OF PICKED THEM UP AND
  • 00:08:27.090 --> 00:08:28.230
  • PUSHED THEM FORWARD A LITTLE
  • 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:30.100
  • BIT.
  • 00:08:30.100 --> 00:08:30.220
  • - BRIAN: YEAH, AND I THINK
  • 00:08:30.220 --> 00:08:31.230
  • THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHO GOD
  • 00:08:32.170 --> 00:08:35.170
  • IS, AND THAT'S HIS HEART TOWARD
  • 00:08:35.170 --> 00:08:36.220
  • EVEN THE MURDERER, WHICH IS A
  • 00:08:36.220 --> 00:08:38.030
  • CONTROVERSIAL THING BECAUSE
  • 00:08:38.030 --> 00:08:39.280
  • GOD'S RESPONSE IS STILL LOVE,
  • 00:08:39.280 --> 00:08:42.180
  • EVEN TOWARDS THOSE WHO CAUSE THE
  • 00:08:42.180 --> 00:08:44.170
  • TRAGEDY AND WHO DO THE HARM, AND
  • 00:08:44.170 --> 00:08:46.260
  • THAT'S THE SCANDALOUS GRACE THAT
  • 00:08:46.270 --> 00:08:49.270
  • WE TALK ABOUT IN CHURCH, BUT THE
  • 00:08:49.270 --> 00:08:52.120
  • WORLD DOESN'T NECESSARILY TALK
  • 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.190
  • ABOUT, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED
  • 00:08:53.190 --> 00:08:54.270
  • TO TELL THE STORY.
  • 00:08:54.270 --> 00:08:55.250
  • IT'S 'CAUSE IT WAS A PERFECT
  • 00:08:55.250 --> 00:08:57.040
  • EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
  • 00:08:57.040 --> 00:08:58.030
  • SHOWING WHAT GOD'S HEART
  • 00:08:58.030 --> 00:08:59.180
  • ACTUALLY IS LIKE, EVEN TO THOSE
  • 00:08:59.180 --> 00:09:02.170
  • WHO WE WOULD NEVER EXTEND THAT
  • 00:09:02.170 --> 00:09:03.290
  • KIND OF MERCY OR LOVE TO.
  • 00:09:03.290 --> 00:09:06.190
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:06.190 --> 00:09:09.020
  • DECIDED TO MAKE THIS FILM, TO
  • 00:09:09.020 --> 00:09:11.070
  • PUT THIS OUT THERE, ARE YOU
  • 00:09:11.070 --> 00:09:13.210
  • AWARE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU
  • 00:09:13.210 --> 00:09:15.120
  • KNOW, YOU'RE SWIMMING AGAINST
  • 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.090
  • THE MAINSTREAM OF A CULTURE?
  • 00:09:17.090 --> 00:09:19.180
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:09:19.290 --> 00:09:22.290
  • - BRIAN: I DEFINITELY WASN'T AT
  • 00:09:22.290 --> 00:09:23.210
  • FIRST.
  • 00:09:23.210 --> 00:09:24.130
  • I THINK I WAS, OF COURSE, MAKING
  • 00:09:24.130 --> 00:09:26.110
  • THIS FILM FOR CERTAIN REASONS,
  • 00:09:26.110 --> 00:09:28.130
  • AND I FIGURED THAT BECAUSE OF
  • 00:09:28.130 --> 00:09:30.060
  • THE NATURE OF THE STORY, 'CAUSE
  • 00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:32.260
  • IT'S SO TRAGIC AND PAINFUL, THAT
  • 00:09:32.260 --> 00:09:34.150
  • THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD EMBRACE
  • 00:09:34.150 --> 00:09:35.210
  • IT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN TRUE AT
  • 00:09:35.210 --> 00:09:37.010
  • ALL BECAUSE FORGIVENESS, BEING A
  • 00:09:37.010 --> 00:09:38.140
  • VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE VIRTUE,
  • 00:09:38.140 --> 00:09:40.220
  • HAS NOT NECESSARILY MADE US VERY
  • 00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:42.240
  • POPULAR, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
  • 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.280
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S ALSO
  • 00:09:43.280 --> 00:09:45.150
  • OFFENSIVE.
  • 00:09:45.150 --> 00:09:46.140
  • AND WHAT'S AMAZING IS EACH OF
  • 00:09:49.160 --> 00:09:50.070
  • THE FAMILIES, WHETHER IT'S
  • 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:50.270
  • REVEREND THOMPSON OR NADINE
  • 00:09:50.270 --> 00:09:51.190
  • COLLIER OR CHRIS SINGLETON, OR
  • 00:09:51.190 --> 00:09:52.110
  • ANY OF THE FAMILIES WHO FORGAVE
  • 00:09:52.110 --> 00:09:53.080
  • THE MURDERER, WILL TELL YOU THAT
  • 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.220
  • THEY DIDN'T PLAN TO AND THAT IT
  • 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:56.160
  • WAS LIKE SOMEBODY WAS SPEAKING
  • 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:57.070
  • - ERIC: WHAT ARE YOUR HOPES FOR
  • 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:00.220
  • THE FILM?
  • 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:01.030
  • - BRIAN: WELL, I THINK, YOU
  • 00:10:01.030 --> 00:10:01.240
  • KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S VERY
  • 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.020
  • MUCH THAT, AS CHRISTIANS, WE
  • 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:05.040
  • KNOW THAT JESUS PAID AN
  • 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:06.060
  • UN-PAYABLE DEBT FOR US, SO
  • 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:07.200
  • BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN HUMBLED TOO
  • 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.050
  • DEEPLY, WE CAN EXTEND THAT TO
  • 00:10:10.050 --> 00:10:12.000
  • OTHER PEOPLE, AND SO MY HOPE IS
  • 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:12.280
  • THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THAT WE
  • 00:10:12.280 --> 00:10:15.040
  • ALL STAND IN NEED OF
  • 00:10:15.040 --> 00:10:16.160
  • FORGIVENESS, AND THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:17.250
  • WOULD EQUALIZE--
  • 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:19.170
  • - ERIC: LOOK, YOU SHOULD BE
  • 00:10:19.170 --> 00:10:20.070
  • VERY PROUD.
  • 00:10:20.070 --> 00:10:21.040
  • I'VE JUST HEARD SO MANY GREAT
  • 00:10:21.040 --> 00:10:21.250
  • THINGS ABOUT YOU, SOME OF THEM
  • 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:23.100
  • THROUGH MY OWN WIFE, WHO HAS
  • 00:10:23.110 --> 00:10:26.110
  • SPENT MORE TIME WITH YOU THAN I
  • 00:10:26.110 --> 00:10:27.240
  • HAVE, BUT I'M JUST VERY EXCITED
  • 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.090
  • THAT YOU'RE USING THE TALENT
  • 00:10:29.090 --> 00:10:31.060
  • THAT GOD'S GIVEN YOU AND THE
  • 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:34.110
  • PASSION THAT GOD'S GIVEN YOU TO
  • 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:35.220
  • TELL THESE STORIES 'CAUSE THERE
  • 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:37.220
  • ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE TELLING
  • 00:10:37.220 --> 00:10:39.000
  • THESE STORIES.
  • 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:39.200
  • SO I IMAGINE, BRIAN, WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.020
  • BE SEEING MORE OF EACH OTHER
  • 00:10:41.020 --> 00:10:42.150
  • WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
  • 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:43.220
  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
  • 00:10:43.220 --> 00:10:44.220
  • WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING MORE
  • 00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:47.270
  • ABOUT BRIAN'S FILM "EMANUEL."
  • 00:10:47.270 --> 00:10:50.160
  • IN THE MEANTIME, GO TO
  • 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:51.030
  • EMANUELMOVIE.COM.
  • 00:10:51.030 --> 00:10:52.110
  • - POLLY SHEPPARD: -- HE SPOKE
  • 00:11:00.070 --> 00:11:00.280
  • TO ME.
  • 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:01.110
  • I WAS ON THE FLOOR, LOOKIN' UP
  • 00:11:01.110 --> 00:11:02.020
  • AT HIM FROM UNDER THE TABLE.
  • 00:11:02.020 --> 00:11:03.190
  • HE JUST STOPPED, AND HE SAID,
  • 00:11:03.190 --> 00:11:04.100
  • "DID I SHOOT YOU YET?"
  • 00:11:04.100 --> 00:11:06.040
  • AND I SAID, "NO."
  • 00:11:06.040 --> 00:11:07.130
  • AND HE SAID,
  • 00:11:07.130 --> 00:11:09.050
  • "I'M NOT GOING TO.
  • 00:11:09.050 --> 00:11:10.200
  • I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU HERE TO TELL
  • 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.200
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:14.260 --> 00:11:15.180
  • SOUTHERN TREES
  • 00:11:15.180 --> 00:11:17.250
  • - FEMALE NEWSCASTER: I'M
  • 00:11:17.250 --> 00:11:18.140
  • OUTSIDE THE EMANUEL AME CHURCH.
  • 00:11:18.140 --> 00:11:19.060
  • WE DO KNOW THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE
  • 00:11:19.060 --> 00:11:20.040
  • HAVE BEEN SHOT.
  • 00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:21.150
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:21.150 --> 00:11:22.060
  • BEARIN' STRANGE FRUIT
  • 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:25.100
  • - FELICIA SANDERS: AND WE
  • 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:26.240
  • CLOSED OUR EYES TO PRAY.
  • 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.220
  • THAT'S WHEN HE LIT UP
  • 00:11:27.220 --> 00:11:28.120
  • THE ROOM.
  • 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.190
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:29.190 --> 00:11:30.030
  • BLOOD ON THE LEAVES
  • 00:11:30.030 --> 00:11:31.110
  • - 911 DISPATCHER: BEAR WITH ME,
  • 00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:32.030
  • OKAY?
  • 00:11:32.030 --> 00:11:32.120
  • HOW MANY SHOTS HAS HE FIRED?
  • 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:33.020
  • - POLLY: HE'S RELOADIN'.
  • 00:11:33.020 --> 00:11:34.100
  • - 911: HE'S RELOADING?
  • 00:11:34.100 --> 00:11:36.110
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:36.110 --> 00:11:37.090
  • AND BLOOD AT THE ROOTS
  • 00:11:39.050 --> 00:11:42.050
  • BLACK BODIES SWINGIN' IN THE
  • 00:11:42.050 --> 00:11:42.280
  • SOUTHERN BREEZE
  • 00:11:44.250 --> 00:11:47.250
  • - JOSEPH DARBY: RACISM IS AS
  • 00:11:47.250 --> 00:11:48.240
  • AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE, AND
  • 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.120
  • THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND
  • 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.200
  • WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED.
  • 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.280
  • - MALE: YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO
  • 00:11:53.280 --> 00:11:55.090
  • GET ON TV AND SAY THIS IS THE
  • 00:11:55.090 --> 00:11:56.000
  • "HOLY CITY."
  • 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:56.170
  • WHAT'S HOLY ABOUT IT?
  • 00:11:56.170 --> 00:11:57.230
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:57.230 --> 00:11:58.150
  • STRANGE FRUIT HANGIN' FROM TE
  • 00:11:58.150 --> 00:11:59.090
  • POPLAR TREES
  • 00:12:01.290 --> 00:12:04.290
  • - MALE: I'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES
  • 00:12:04.290 --> 00:12:05.210
  • EXPLODE UNDER THE WEIGHT OF A
  • 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:06.120
  • SINGLE MURDER--
  • 00:12:08.030 --> 00:12:11.030
  • PASTORAL SCENE OF THE GALLANT
  • 00:12:11.030 --> 00:12:11.260
  • SOUTH
  • 00:12:11.260 --> 00:12:13.260
  • - MALE: -- BUT NOW WE HAVE NINE
  • 00:12:13.260 --> 00:12:14.180
  • DEAD BODIES IN A CHURCH.
  • 00:12:14.180 --> 00:12:15.060
  • THERE'S GONNA BE A RESPONSE.
  • 00:12:16.230 --> 00:12:19.230
  • - PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: OH,
  • 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:21.000
  • BUT GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS
  • 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:21.200
  • WAYS.
  • 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:22.240
  • [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
  • 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.160
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:25.090
  • STRANGE FRUIT HANGIN'
  • 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:30.110
  • - ETHEL LANCE'S DAUGHTER: I
  • 00:12:30.110 --> 00:12:31.020
  • FORGIVE YOU.
  • 00:12:31.020 --> 00:12:32.080
  • - ANTHONY THOMPSON: AND I
  • 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:32.270
  • FORGIVE YOU.
  • 00:12:32.270 --> 00:12:33.150
  • MY FAMILY FORGIVES YOU.
  • 00:12:33.150 --> 00:12:35.010
  • - MALE: SOME PEOPLE SEE THE
  • 00:12:35.010 --> 00:12:37.030
  • FAMILY'S FORGIVENESS AS
  • 00:12:37.030 --> 00:12:39.060
  • SUBMISSION, BUT THAT ACT OF
  • 00:12:39.060 --> 00:12:39.260
  • FORGIVING PEOPLE IS THE GREATEST
  • 00:12:39.260 --> 00:12:42.150
  • ACT OF LOVE THAT ONE COULD EVER
  • 00:12:42.150 --> 00:12:44.270
  • EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:12:44.270 --> 00:12:46.050
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:12:46.050 --> 00:12:47.140
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
  • 00:13:00.020 --> 00:13:00.210
  • WE CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION ON
  • 00:13:00.210 --> 00:13:01.130
  • THE FILM CALLED "EMANUEL,"
  • 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:04.250
  • DIRECTED BY BRIAN IVIE.
  • 00:13:04.250 --> 00:13:07.180
  • HE WAS JUST MY GUEST, BUT HE HAD
  • 00:13:07.180 --> 00:13:08.180
  • WE NOW GET TO TALK TO SOME OLD
  • 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:12.090
  • FRIENDS AND NEW FRIENDS WHO HAVE
  • 00:13:12.090 --> 00:13:15.010
  • BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE FILM.
  • 00:13:15.010 --> 00:13:16.080
  • FIRST OF ALL, MY FRIEND
  • 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.140
  • DIMAS SALABERRIOS.
  • 00:13:18.170 --> 00:13:21.170
  • I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME,
  • 00:13:21.170 --> 00:13:23.020
  • AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM.
  • 00:13:23.020 --> 00:13:24.080
  • WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR BOOK AND
  • 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:25.080
  • ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH
  • 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:26.250
  • VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO AND ALL THIS
  • 00:13:26.250 --> 00:13:27.210
  • STUFF, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW YOU
  • 00:13:27.210 --> 00:13:28.200
  • WERE INVOLVED IN THIS FILM, SO I
  • 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:29.290
  • GOT A HAPPY SURPRISE THIS
  • 00:13:29.290 --> 00:13:31.010
  • MORNING WHEN I REALIZED I GET TO
  • 00:13:31.010 --> 00:13:31.290
  • SEE MY FRIEND.
  • 00:13:31.290 --> 00:13:33.010
  • - DIMAS SALABERRIOS: OHH--
  • 00:13:33.010 --> 00:13:34.030
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S TRUE.
  • 00:13:34.030 --> 00:13:34.220
  • BUT WE'RE ALSO-- I DON'T WANNA
  • 00:13:34.220 --> 00:13:37.100
  • FORGET-- SITTING HERE WITH
  • 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:38.020
  • WHO'S THE DAUGHTER OF THE LATE
  • 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.290
  • REVEREND DANIEL SIMMONS, SR.,
  • 00:13:40.290 --> 00:13:41.240
  • WHO WAS KILLED IN THE 2015
  • 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.220
  • CHARLESTON CHURCH SHOOTING.
  • 00:13:44.220 --> 00:13:46.120
  • ROSE, WELCOME.
  • 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:46.280
  • - ROSE SIMMONS: THANK YOU.
  • 00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:48.120
  • - ERIC: AND THANK YOU FOR BEING
  • 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:49.120
  • WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THIS
  • 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:50.210
  • BECAUSE I FEEL SO STRONGLY WE
  • 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:51.230
  • AT THE HEART OF IT-- WE WERE
  • 00:13:55.130 --> 00:13:57.030
  • SAYING IT WITH THE DIRECTOR-- IS
  • 00:13:57.030 --> 00:13:57.250
  • SOMETHING SO BEAUTIFUL AND SO
  • 00:13:57.250 --> 00:13:59.280
  • INEXPLICABLE TO MOST OF THE
  • 00:13:59.280 --> 00:14:01.140
  • WORLD.
  • 00:14:01.140 --> 00:14:03.160
  • THE IDEA, FORGIVENESS, IT JUST
  • 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:04.100
  • DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, AND IT
  • 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:05.200
  • SHOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
  • 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.210
  • IT'S LIKE A GOD THING.
  • 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:08.240
  • SO THANK YOU FOR BE WILLING TO
  • 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:09.150
  • TALK ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:14:09.150 --> 00:14:11.130
  • BUT, DIMAS, BEFORE WE GET INTO
  • 00:14:11.170 --> 00:14:14.170
  • THE STORY, WHAT IS YOUR
  • 00:14:14.170 --> 00:14:15.050
  • INVOLVEMENT IN THIS?
  • 00:14:15.050 --> 00:14:17.250
  • I MEAN, YOU'RE A NEW YORKER.
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:18.150
  • WE COULD TELL BY THE WAY YOU
  • 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:19.130
  • PRONOUNCE "NEW YORK."
  • 00:14:19.130 --> 00:14:21.020
  • - DIMAS: YEAH, AND, ERIC, YOU
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:22.220
  • KNOW, MY HEART, YOU KNOW, LIKE
  • 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:24.210
  • JOHN WESLEY SAID, "THE WHOLE
  • 00:14:24.210 --> 00:14:25.240
  • WORLD IS MY PARISH," SO I KIND
  • 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:27.140
  • OF LOOK AT THAT, AND WHEN THINGS
  • 00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:29.140
  • HAPPEN TO CHRISTIANS, I FEEL
  • 00:14:29.140 --> 00:14:30.180
  • IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO, AND NOT
  • 00:14:30.180 --> 00:14:32.210
  • ONLY THE CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:14:32.210 --> 00:14:34.230
  • EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE SHOOTING
  • 00:14:34.230 --> 00:14:36.090
  • I WAS THERE AS WELL.
  • 00:14:38.170 --> 00:14:39.160
  • BUT WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE
  • 00:14:39.160 --> 00:14:40.050
  • SHOOTING, MY WIFE, TIFFANY, WOKE
  • 00:14:40.050 --> 00:14:41.150
  • ME UP, AND SHE SAID, "A SHOOTING
  • 00:14:41.150 --> 00:14:43.240
  • SHE SAID, "WE REALLY NEED TO
  • 00:14:47.050 --> 00:14:47.250
  • GO."
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.240
  • AND THREE HOURS LATER, WE
  • 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.170
  • WERE ON A PLANE, FLYING INTO
  • 00:14:50.170 --> 00:14:51.070
  • CHARLESTON.
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:52.100
  • WE WERE ON THE GROUND, WALKED UP
  • 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:54.020
  • TO ABOUT 2.000 PEOPLE THERE AND
  • 00:14:54.020 --> 00:14:56.180
  • STARTED MINISTERING AND STARTED
  • 00:14:56.290 --> 00:14:59.290
  • TO DO ENCOURAGEMENT, AND THERE
  • 00:14:59.290 --> 00:15:02.020
  • WAS NO PRAYER VIGILS GOIN' ON,
  • 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:04.270
  • SO WE STARTED MOBILIZING PEOPLE,
  • 00:15:04.270 --> 00:15:06.160
  • THEN SOMEBODY PUT ON THE
  • 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:08.050
  • INTERNET ABOUT THIS BIG MARCH,
  • 00:15:08.050 --> 00:15:10.050
  • AND NO ONE SHOWED UP AS A
  • 00:15:10.050 --> 00:15:11.290
  • LEADER, SO OUR TEAM THEN JUST
  • 00:15:11.290 --> 00:15:13.130
  • LED THE MARCH ACROSS THE BRIDGE
  • 00:15:13.130 --> 00:15:15.270
  • AND STARTED TO JUST HELP FAMILY
  • 00:15:16.050 --> 00:15:19.050
  • MEMBERS AS MUCH AS WE COULD
  • 00:15:19.050 --> 00:15:20.030
  • FIND, AND I REALLY SOMETIMES
  • 00:15:20.030 --> 00:15:21.270
  • DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MORE
  • 00:15:21.270 --> 00:15:22.290
  • CHRISTIANS DON'T DO THAT
  • 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:24.180
  • AND THEN--
  • 00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:26.150
  • - ERIC: SO YOU JUST SHOWED UP,
  • 00:15:26.150 --> 00:15:27.070
  • BUT HOW DID THAT LEAD TO THIS
  • 00:15:27.070 --> 00:15:28.270
  • FILM?
  • 00:15:28.270 --> 00:15:31.000
  • - DIMAS: IT WAS, LIKE, A YEAR
  • 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:31.210
  • OR A LITTLE BIT UNDER A YEAR, I
  • 00:15:34.030 --> 00:15:35.220
  • HELPED OUT BRIAN IVIE.
  • 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:38.070
  • A YOUNG GUY COMES THROUGH WITH A
  • 00:15:38.070 --> 00:15:38.290
  • AND I SAID, "HEY--" I HAD THE
  • 00:15:41.210 --> 00:15:43.000
  • SALEM RADIO SHOW-- I SAID, "PUT
  • 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.020
  • HIM ON OUR RADIO SHOW.
  • 00:15:44.020 --> 00:15:44.260
  • SO HOOK HIM UP, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:15:44.260 --> 00:15:45.210
  • LET'S PUT HIM ON MY SHOW THAT WE
  • 00:15:45.210 --> 00:15:46.130
  • HAVE ON TBN.
  • 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:48.290
  • LET'S HELP, YOU KNOW, GET HIM
  • 00:15:48.290 --> 00:15:50.150
  • OUT, CALLED "THE DYNAMIC LIFE,"
  • 00:15:50.150 --> 00:15:51.120
  • YEAH.
  • 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:51.270
  • - ERIC: I FORGOT WE ARE NOW
  • 00:15:51.270 --> 00:15:52.170
  • BOTH ON TBN.
  • 00:15:52.170 --> 00:15:54.110
  • - DIMAS: YES, YES, YES, YEAH.
  • 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:56.010
  • - ERIC: WHERE DID WE GO RIGHT?
  • 00:15:56.010 --> 00:15:57.140
  • - DIMAS: HEY, TBN IS RIGHT.
  • 00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:59.120
  • - ERIC: IS THAT THE FUNNIEST
  • 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.050
  • THING?
  • 00:16:00.050 --> 00:16:00.160
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:01.120
  • ISN'T THAT THE FUNNIEST THING
  • 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.030
  • THOUGH, WITH YOU AND I BOTH-- I
  • 00:16:02.030 --> 00:16:02.260
  • FORGOT THAT WE'RE COLLEAGUES ON
  • 00:16:02.260 --> 00:16:03.230
  • TBN.
  • 00:16:03.230 --> 00:16:06.100
  • - DIMAS: YEAH, IT'S AMAZING
  • 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:07.050
  • THAT YOU ARE IN THIS PLACE.
  • 00:16:07.050 --> 00:16:09.160
  • - ERIC: YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:16:09.160 --> 00:16:10.220
  • - DIMAS: IT'S DESTINY.
  • 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:11.120
  • - ERIC: I JUST LOVE THAT.
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.050
  • ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT--
  • 00:16:13.050 --> 00:16:13.250
  • DON'T COMPETE WITH ME 'CAUSE I
  • 00:16:13.250 --> 00:16:15.270
  • WILL CRUSH YOU.
  • 00:16:15.270 --> 00:16:16.280
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:17.210
  • I SPEAK AS YOUR FRIEND,
  • 00:16:17.210 --> 00:16:19.100
  • HONESTLY, I WILL CRUSH YOU.
  • 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:20.000
  • NO, SERIOUSLY, SO YOU MET
  • 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:20.210
  • BRIAN IVIE BECAUSE OF
  • 00:16:20.210 --> 00:16:22.040
  • THE FIRST FILM?
  • 00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:23.250
  • WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT.
  • 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:25.040
  • - DIMAS: SO THAT HAPPENED, AND
  • 00:16:25.040 --> 00:16:25.260
  • THEN HIS WIFE SOMEHOW BOUGHT MY
  • 00:16:25.260 --> 00:16:28.160
  • BOOK, GAVE IT TO HIM RIGHT
  • 00:16:28.160 --> 00:16:29.250
  • AROUND THE SAME TIME HE TALKS TO
  • 00:16:29.250 --> 00:16:31.280
  • MATT BENNETT, COMES TO NEW YORK,
  • 00:16:31.280 --> 00:16:33.080
  • AND HE WAS TELLIN' ME ABOUT THIS
  • 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:34.260
  • TV SHOW, AND I JUST REALIZED
  • 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:36.070
  • THAT WASN'T THE SHOW, AND I--
  • 00:16:37.140 --> 00:16:40.140
  • - ERIC: SO, YEAH, WAIT, YEAH,
  • 00:16:40.140 --> 00:16:41.110
  • HE WAS SAYING THAT HE HAD
  • 00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:42.000
  • ANOTHER IDEA, AND HE WAS TALKIN'
  • 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:43.100
  • TO OUR BUDDY, MATT BENNETT, AND
  • 00:16:43.100 --> 00:16:44.120
  • MATT SUGGESTED YOU, AND AS YOU
  • 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:45.230
  • GOT TALKING, YOU STARTED TO
  • 00:16:45.230 --> 00:16:47.150
  • DISCERN, LIKE, "WAIT A MINUTE,
  • 00:16:47.150 --> 00:16:48.240
  • BRIAN, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE
  • 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.050
  • THAT YOU'D PREFER TO BE DOING."
  • 00:16:51.050 --> 00:16:53.070
  • - DIMAS: YEAH, "SO WHAT'S
  • 00:16:53.070 --> 00:16:53.260
  • REALLY ON YOUR HEART?"
  • 00:16:53.260 --> 00:16:56.040
  • AND WHEN HE SAID, "CHARLESTON,"
  • 00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:57.160
  • I LITERALLY FELL OUT OF MY SEAT.
  • 00:16:57.160 --> 00:16:59.190
  • I WAS LIKE, "DID YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:00.200
  • WE WERE THERE?
  • 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.100
  • I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY CLERGY
  • 00:17:03.100 --> 00:17:04.240
  • ALLOWED ONTO THE SCENE AND
  • 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.280
  • CONNECTED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS
  • 00:17:06.280 --> 00:17:09.220
  • AND PRAYED WITH MANY OF THEM,"
  • 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:11.080
  • AND HE WAS LIKE, "WELL, WOULD
  • 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:14.030
  • YOU HELP ME DO IT?
  • 00:17:14.030 --> 00:17:16.070
  • WOULD YOU BE A PRODUCER ON IT?"
  • 00:17:16.070 --> 00:17:17.270
  • AND I SAID-- AND THIS IS
  • 00:17:17.270 --> 00:17:19.160
  • POWERFUL 'CAUSE THIS IS VERY
  • 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.000
  • IMPORTANT FOR LISTENERS.
  • 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.170
  • I WAS WALKIN' WITH MY WIFE TO
  • 00:17:23.170 --> 00:17:25.110
  • MEET BRIAN IVIE, AND MY WIFE
  • 00:17:25.110 --> 00:17:28.040
  • STOPPED ON FIFTH AVENUE AND
  • 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:29.100
  • SAID, "THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST
  • 00:17:30.060 --> 00:17:33.060
  • SPOKE."
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:33.250
  • AND I SAID, "OKAY."
  • 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:34.200
  • I LOOKED AT HER.
  • 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:35.150
  • SHE SAID, "WE'RE GONNA BECOME
  • 00:17:35.150 --> 00:17:36.210
  • PRODUCERS."
  • 00:17:36.210 --> 00:17:38.250
  • AND I SAID, "ALL RIGHT, HONEY."
  • 00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:41.130
  • - ERIC: DID THE LORD USE THE
  • 00:17:41.130 --> 00:17:42.080
  • WORD "PRODUCERS" IN ENGLISH, OR
  • 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:43.240
  • DID HE USE THE ARAMAIC WORD
  • 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:44.210
  • FOR "PRODUCERS"?
  • 00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:45.240
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:47.040
  • - DIMAS: I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:17:47.110 --> 00:17:50.110
  • IT WAS ENGLISH COMIN' OUT OF
  • 00:17:50.110 --> 00:17:52.010
  • HER MOUTH.
  • 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:53.060
  • - ERIC: OKAY.
  • 00:17:53.060 --> 00:17:53.190
  • - DIMAS: AND WE WALKED INTO
  • 00:17:53.190 --> 00:17:54.090
  • THAT MEETING AND WALKED OUT A
  • 00:17:54.090 --> 00:17:55.000
  • HOUR LATER, AND WE WERE GONNA
  • 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:56.210
  • MAKE THE FILM, AND THEN WE HAD
  • 00:17:56.210 --> 00:17:57.290
  • TO GET THE FUNDING FOR IT, AND
  • 00:17:57.290 --> 00:18:00.290
  • WE WERE LIKE, "GOD," HOW THE
  • 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:02.220
  • PEOPLE SAID, "YOU'RE GONNA BE ON
  • 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:03.210
  • THE ROAD FOR SIX MONTHS," AND
  • 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:04.270
  • BRIAN SAID, "GOD'S GONNA DO THIS
  • 00:18:04.270 --> 00:18:06.030
  • TODAY AND TOMORROW."
  • 00:18:06.260 --> 00:18:09.260
  • AND WE WALKED IN THE
  • 00:18:09.260 --> 00:18:10.120
  • TWO MEETINGS AND WALKED
  • 00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:11.260
  • OUT WITH 100% THE MOVIE
  • 00:18:11.260 --> 00:18:13.100
  • WAS FUNDED.
  • 00:18:13.100 --> 00:18:15.090
  • - ERIC: WALKING WITH THE HOLY
  • 00:18:15.090 --> 00:18:16.110
  • SPIRIT IS NOT ONLY THE RIGHT
  • 00:18:16.110 --> 00:18:17.270
  • THING TO DO, BUT IT SAVES A LOT
  • 00:18:17.270 --> 00:18:18.290
  • OF TIME.
  • 00:18:18.290 --> 00:18:20.000
  • - DIMAS: AND WALKING WITH--
  • 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:20.260
  • ROSE IS SUCH A QUEEN.
  • 00:18:20.260 --> 00:18:23.040
  • - ERIC: WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY I
  • 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:23.260
  • GOTTA TALK TO ROSE.
  • 00:18:23.260 --> 00:18:24.120
  • - DIMAS: OH, MY GOSH, YOU GET
  • 00:18:24.120 --> 00:18:25.030
  • TO MEET ALL THE FAMILIES:
  • 00:18:25.030 --> 00:18:27.280
  • ROSE, JENNIFER, I MEAN,
  • 00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:28.240
  • THEIR HEARTS FOR
  • 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.270
  • GOD AND JUST--
  • 00:18:29.270 --> 00:18:31.190
  • - ERIC: WELL, SEE, PEOPLE
  • 00:18:31.190 --> 00:18:32.150
  • DON'T--
  • 00:18:32.150 --> 00:18:33.140
  • - DIMAS: IT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:18:33.140 --> 00:18:34.100
  • - ERIC: THE REASON I GET SO
  • 00:18:34.100 --> 00:18:35.000
  • EXCITED IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE
  • 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.050
  • THAT, AND USUALLY CHRISTIANS WHO
  • 00:18:36.050 --> 00:18:37.080
  • ARE LIKE THAT, IT'S LIKE, "OH, I
  • 00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:39.130
  • DON'T WANNA BE ON CAMERA." AND
  • 00:18:39.130 --> 00:18:40.280
  • I'M THINKING, "NO, YOU'RE THE
  • 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:42.010
  • ONE WHO SHOULD BE ON CAMERA.
  • 00:18:42.010 --> 00:18:43.220
  • EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD SHUT UP
  • 00:18:43.220 --> 00:18:44.230
  • AND GET OFF CAMERA.
  • 00:18:44.230 --> 00:18:45.090
  • WE NEED TO SEE THE REAL THING."
  • 00:18:45.090 --> 00:18:47.040
  • AND WHAT WE SAW IN CHARLESTON IS
  • 00:18:47.040 --> 00:18:48.160
  • AS REAL AS IT GETS.
  • 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.040
  • IT'S AS SHOCKING--
  • 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:51.000
  • IT'S SHOCKING TO CHRISTIANS,
  • 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.080
  • MUCH LESS, TO
  • 00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:53.080
  • NON-CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:18:53.080 --> 00:18:54.210
  • BUT, ROSE, TELL YOUR PART OF
  • 00:18:54.210 --> 00:18:56.010
  • THIS STORY BECAUSE YOU WERE
  • 00:18:56.010 --> 00:18:57.090
  • RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
  • 00:18:57.090 --> 00:18:59.150
  • - ROSE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:18:59.150 --> 00:19:00.120
  • THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS
  • 00:19:00.120 --> 00:19:01.120
  • TIME ON THE SHOW.
  • 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:02.070
  • I MET BRIAN WHEN HE CAME TO
  • 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:04.270
  • CHARLESTON-- FIRST INITIAL
  • 00:19:04.270 --> 00:19:07.040
  • AND I WAS SO MOVED BY THE WAY
  • 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.260
  • THAT I SAW THE HOLY SPIRIT UPON
  • 00:19:12.260 --> 00:19:14.200
  • HIM WITH THIS FILM, AND I WANTED
  • 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.080
  • TO BE A PART, AND HERE WE ARE,
  • 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:18.190
  • - ERIC: IT IS INCREDIBLE.
  • 00:19:21.060 --> 00:19:21.250
  • NOW, YOUR FATHER WAS KILLED, AND
  • 00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:24.140
  • MOST OF US CANNOT PROCESS, HOW
  • 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:26.140
  • DO YOU-- WHAT WERE YOUR INITIAL
  • 00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:29.000
  • THOUGHTS, AND AT WHAT POINT DID
  • 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.100
  • THE CONCEPT OF FORGIVENESS
  • 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:32.110
  • ENTER?
  • 00:19:32.110 --> 00:19:34.200
  • BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, AS
  • 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:35.210
  • CHRISTIANS, WE KNOW "I'M
  • 00:19:35.210 --> 00:19:36.210
  • SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE," BUT THAT'S
  • 00:19:36.210 --> 00:19:37.260
  • ANOTHER SUBJECT.
  • 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:39.050
  • IT'S ONE THING TO SAY IT
  • 00:19:39.050 --> 00:19:40.220
  • INTELLECTUALLY.
  • 00:19:40.220 --> 00:19:41.230
  • IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SOMEHOW
  • 00:19:41.230 --> 00:19:43.030
  • ENTER INTO THAT, TO BE ABLE TO.
  • 00:19:43.030 --> 00:19:44.220
  • - ROSE: WELL, THE MOMENT I WAS
  • 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:46.110
  • TOLD, MY FIRST INITIAL THOUGHT
  • 00:19:46.110 --> 00:19:48.130
  • WAS ABOUT SEEING HIM AGAIN, AND
  • 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:51.050
  • HIM BEING A PART OF MY LIFE IN
  • 00:19:51.050 --> 00:19:53.280
  • THE FUTURE, AND I REMEMBER
  • 00:19:53.280 --> 00:19:56.020
  • MAKIN' THIS STATEMENT: I SAID,
  • 00:19:56.020 --> 00:19:57.180
  • "OH, GOD, I'M NEVER GONNA SEE
  • 00:19:57.180 --> 00:19:59.160
  • HIM AGAIN," AND, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.010
  • HOLY SPIRIT IS GRACIOUS, AND
  • 00:20:02.010 --> 00:20:04.200
  • WITH HIS GRACEFULNESS, SPOKE TO
  • 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.200
  • ME AT THAT MOMENT AND SAID TO
  • 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.190
  • ME, "YES, YOU WILL SEE HIM
  • 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:09.140
  • AGAIN."
  • 00:20:09.140 --> 00:20:11.080
  • AND I SAID, I REPEATED,
  • 00:20:11.080 --> 00:20:12.090
  • I SAID, "OH, YES, I WILL SEE HIM
  • 00:20:12.090 --> 00:20:13.090
  • AGAIN."
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:15.100
  • AND THAT'S WHERE THAT SMILE
  • 00:20:15.100 --> 00:20:16.120
  • AND THAT PART, THAT JOY OF
  • 00:20:16.120 --> 00:20:18.070
  • BEING A CHRISTIAN AND
  • 00:20:18.070 --> 00:20:19.170
  • UNDERSTANDIN' THE WORD OF THE
  • 00:20:19.170 --> 00:20:22.120
  • LORD, CAME IN, AND IT HAS
  • 00:20:22.120 --> 00:20:24.220
  • SUSTAINED ME TO THIS POINT.
  • 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:26.010
  • - ERIC: SO YOU WERE THERE AT
  • 00:20:26.010 --> 00:20:27.000
  • THAT BOND HEARING?
  • 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.200
  • - ROSE: I WAS NOT PRESENT AT
  • 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.180
  • THE BOND HEARING, BUT WHAT'S
  • 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:32.130
  • IMPORTANT FOR ME IS THE MOMENT
  • 00:20:32.130 --> 00:20:34.110
  • THAT I HEARD ABOUT IT, MY
  • 00:20:34.110 --> 00:20:36.070
  • THOUGHTS, OF COURSE, WENT TO MY
  • 00:20:36.070 --> 00:20:38.220
  • FATHER, AND I THOUGHT MORE OF
  • 00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:42.020
  • NOT SO MUCH OF HOW HE WAS IN THE
  • 00:20:42.020 --> 00:20:44.140
  • EXIT OF THIS LIFE, BUT HOW HE
  • 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:46.130
  • WAS TRIUMPHANTLY ENTERING INTO
  • 00:20:46.130 --> 00:20:48.280
  • ETERNITY, AND WITH THAT,
  • 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:51.150
  • FORGIVENESS, FOR ME, WAS MORE OR
  • 00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:54.050
  • LESS FOR ME.
  • 00:20:54.050 --> 00:20:57.000
  • REALLY, IT WAS FOR ME,
  • 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.080
  • AND IT WAS FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:20:59.080 --> 00:21:01.060
  • REMAIN IN THIS HUMANE PART OF
  • 00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:03.090
  • MYSELF AND NOT BE IMPRISONED TO
  • 00:21:05.010 --> 00:21:08.010
  • UNFORGIVENESS AND BITTERNESS.
  • 00:21:08.010 --> 00:21:09.130
  • - ERIC: ROSE, I JUST HAVE TO
  • 00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:11.210
  • ASK YOU AGAIN BECAUSE SO MANY
  • 00:21:11.210 --> 00:21:12.120
  • PEOPLE DON'T GET THIS, AND IT'S,
  • 00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:14.230
  • IN SOME WAYS, INEXPLICABLE, BUT
  • 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:16.080
  • A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE
  • 00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:17.200
  • EXPERIENCE A HUGE LOSS OR AN
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.110
  • INJUSTICE-- LET'S CALL IT THAT:
  • 00:21:19.110 --> 00:21:20.130
  • IT'S AN INJUSTICE.
  • 00:21:20.130 --> 00:21:21.280
  • IT'S A VILE, EVIL, EVIL THING.
  • 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.170
  • THEY DON'T GET HOW YOU GET TO
  • 00:21:23.170 --> 00:21:25.150
  • FORGIVENESS AND HOW YOU DON'T
  • 00:21:25.150 --> 00:21:27.110
  • GET STUCK IN "JUSTICE," 'CAUSE
  • 00:21:27.110 --> 00:21:29.080
  • "JUSTICE" SAYS, "I WANT--" WELL,
  • 00:21:29.080 --> 00:21:31.230
  • WHEN WE SAY, "I WANT JUSTICE,"
  • 00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:33.200
  • OF COURSE, YOU WANT JUSTICE, BUT
  • 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.180
  • WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF JUSTICE,
  • 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:38.010
  • AND HOW DOES FORGIVENESS AND
  • 00:21:38.010 --> 00:21:40.240
  • - ROSE: WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK
  • 00:21:43.110 --> 00:21:44.030
  • THEY CAN WORK HAND IN HAND, AND
  • 00:21:44.030 --> 00:21:45.040
  • I WANT THE WORLD TO UNDERSTAND
  • 00:21:45.040 --> 00:21:47.100
  • THAT JUST BECAUSE I AM AN
  • 00:21:47.100 --> 00:21:49.250
  • IT'S NOT THAT I WANT JUSTICE TO
  • 00:21:53.110 --> 00:21:54.030
  • BE SILENCED.
  • 00:21:54.030 --> 00:21:55.280
  • YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE TRIAL
  • 00:21:55.280 --> 00:21:57.210
  • EVERY DAY AND, YOU KNOW, SEEKING
  • 00:21:57.210 --> 00:21:59.050
  • JUSTICE AND HOPING THAT THE LAWS
  • 00:21:59.050 --> 00:22:02.000
  • OF THE LAND WOULD WORK
  • 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.180
  • ACCORDINGLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M
  • 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:05.290
  • A CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:22:05.290 --> 00:22:07.070
  • I BELIEVE IN THE LORD GOD
  • 00:22:07.070 --> 00:22:08.100
  • ALMIGHTY.
  • 00:22:08.100 --> 00:22:10.110
  • I BELIEVE IN WHAT HIS WORD SAYS,
  • 00:22:10.110 --> 00:22:11.130
  • AND I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CAME TO
  • 00:22:11.130 --> 00:22:13.130
  • THIS WORLD AND DIED FOR ME, AS
  • 00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:15.050
  • WELL AS MY ENEMIES, AND FOR
  • 00:22:15.050 --> 00:22:17.010
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A
  • 00:22:17.010 --> 00:22:19.090
  • CHALLENGE FOR ME TO SEEK
  • 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.000
  • FORGIVENESS FOR THE PERPETRATOR.
  • 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.120
  • - DIMAS: IT JUST SHOWS THE
  • 00:22:25.120 --> 00:22:26.260
  • BEAUTY OF GRACE, AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:22:26.260 --> 00:22:29.090
  • WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE FILM
  • 00:22:29.090 --> 00:22:30.140
  • I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE
  • 00:22:33.020 --> 00:22:33.260
  • THAT ARE LIKE, "OH, MY GOSH, I'M
  • 00:22:33.260 --> 00:22:34.180
  • TELLIN' YOU, WHEN YOU WALK OUT
  • 00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:35.130
  • OF-- EVERYONE THAT WALKS OUT OF
  • 00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:36.160
  • THERE IS FULL OF SUCH HOPE, YOU
  • 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.150
  • BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO SO MUCH
  • 00:22:40.290 --> 00:22:41.190
  • THAT'S GOIN' AT THAT TIME.
  • 00:22:41.190 --> 00:22:42.280
  • THAT WAS THE WORST CHURCH
  • 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:43.280
  • SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY,
  • 00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:45.240
  • IT'S NOT THE LARGEST NUMBER.
  • 00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:50.040
  • IT STILL WAS THE MOST
  • 00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:51.100
  • TREACHEROUS, IN MY EYES, TO GO
  • 00:22:51.100 --> 00:22:53.160
  • TO A BIBLE STUDY TO PRAY WITH
  • 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.080
  • - ERIC: WELL, THERE'S CERTAIN
  • 00:22:57.140 --> 00:22:58.050
  • THINGS YOU CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS
  • 00:22:58.050 --> 00:22:58.270
  • SATANIC.
  • 00:22:58.270 --> 00:22:59.220
  • I MEAN, HOW ELSE DO YOU DESCRIBE
  • 00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:00.170
  • IT?
  • 00:23:00.170 --> 00:23:01.170
  • YOU KNOW, HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT
  • 00:23:01.170 --> 00:23:02.080
  • THAT WICKED AND DEVIOUS.
  • 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:03.210
  • THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IT
  • 00:23:03.210 --> 00:23:04.270
  • THAT'S JUST SO SICK, YOU HAVE TO
  • 00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:06.200
  • RECOGNIZE THIS IS SATANIC EVIL,
  • 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.040
  • AND THE ONLY THING THAT CAN
  • 00:23:08.040 --> 00:23:09.230
  • COMBAT IT IS JESUS-- PERIOD.
  • 00:23:09.230 --> 00:23:11.220
  • - DIMAS: HE WANTED TO START A
  • 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.140
  • RACE WAR, BUT HE PICKED THE
  • 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.040
  • WRONG PLACE.
  • 00:23:14.040 --> 00:23:15.180
  • HE WENT TO CHURCH, AND THESE
  • 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:16.280
  • WERE REAL CHRISTIANS.
  • 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:19.030
  • ROSE IS A REAL CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:23:19.030 --> 00:23:21.090
  • JENNIFER IS A REAL CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:23:21.090 --> 00:23:22.200
  • THESE PEOPLE ARE REAL
  • 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.010
  • CHRISTIANS, TAUGHT THE WORD, AND
  • 00:23:24.030 --> 00:23:27.030
  • THAT'S WHAT MAKES ALL THE
  • 00:23:27.030 --> 00:23:28.170
  • DIFFERENCE.
  • 00:23:28.170 --> 00:23:29.040
  • - ERIC: LISTEN, AT SOME POINT,
  • 00:23:29.040 --> 00:23:30.280
  • IT'S JUST SO BEYOND US TO FATHOM
  • 00:23:30.280 --> 00:23:32.240
  • WHAT GOD CAN DO.
  • 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.040
  • I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
  • 00:23:35.040 --> 00:23:36.170
  • SCRIPTURE SAYS, "ALL THINGS WORK
  • 00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:38.050
  • TOGETHER FOR GOOD, FOR THOSE
  • 00:23:38.050 --> 00:23:38.250
  • THAT LOVE THE LORD, CALLED
  • 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:39.180
  • ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSES," AND
  • 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:41.000
  • YOU THINK, "ALL THINGS, LORD?"
  • 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.050
  • AND HE'S LIKE, "YES, ALL THINGS,
  • 00:23:42.050 --> 00:23:43.070
  • EVEN THE MOST WICKED THING.
  • 00:23:43.070 --> 00:23:44.190
  • IF YOU TURN IT OVER TO ME, I'M
  • 00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:46.150
  • GONNA DO SOMETHING SO BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:23:46.150 --> 00:23:49.060
  • AND POWERFUL."
  • 00:23:49.060 --> 00:23:51.120
  • I MEAN, WHAT YOU ALL
  • 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:52.120
  • ARE MANIFESTING IN YOUR
  • 00:23:52.120 --> 00:23:54.180
  • LIVES IS A TESTIMONY TO
  • 00:23:54.190 --> 00:23:57.190
  • THOUSANDS AND, HOPEFULLY,
  • 00:23:57.190 --> 00:23:59.230
  • MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, SOME
  • 00:23:59.230 --> 00:24:01.070
  • CHRISTIAN, SOME NOT CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:24:01.070 --> 00:24:02.190
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE
  • 00:24:02.190 --> 00:24:03.260
  • THIS ANYPLACE ELSE.
  • 00:24:03.260 --> 00:24:04.210
  • DIMAS, I JUST WANNA SAY TO MY
  • 00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:05.270
  • BROTHER AND FRIEND, THANK YOU
  • 00:24:05.270 --> 00:24:07.200
  • FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND BEING
  • 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.180
  • INVOLVED IN THIS.
  • 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:10.150
  • GOD IS USING YOU MIGHTILY.
  • 00:24:10.150 --> 00:24:11.140
  • I'M GRATEFUL TO YOU, AND I'LL
  • 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:14.040
  • SEE YOU LATER, BUT THANK YOU SO
  • 00:24:14.040 --> 00:24:16.270
  • MUCH.
  • 00:24:16.270 --> 00:24:19.020
  • FOLKS, IT'S
  • 00:24:19.020 --> 00:24:19.140
  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
  • 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.060
  • REMEMBER, GO TO
  • 00:24:20.060 --> 00:24:20.200
  • EMANUELMOVIE.COM.
  • 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.090
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
  • 00:24:26.270 --> 00:24:27.160
  • WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
  • 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:28.180
  • WHICH IS A DOCUMENTARY THAT
  • 00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:31.240
  • DEALS WITH THE CHARLESTON CHURCH
  • 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:33.150
  • SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED FOUR
  • 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:34.160
  • YEARS AGO.
  • 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:35.270
  • I WANNA SAY, TUNE IN NEXT WEEK.
  • 00:24:35.270 --> 00:24:37.110
  • WE WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH
  • 00:24:37.110 --> 00:24:39.030
  • FAMILY MEMBERS OF THOSE WHO WERE
  • 00:24:39.030 --> 00:24:41.070
  • KILLED IN THE SHOOTING, AND
  • 00:24:41.070 --> 00:24:42.290
  • ALSO, MAKE A NOTE THAT "EMANUEL"
  • 00:24:42.290 --> 00:24:45.040
  • THE FILM WILL BE AVAILABLE ON
  • 00:24:45.040 --> 00:24:46.090
  • ALL DIGITAL PLATFORMS STARTING
  • 00:24:46.090 --> 00:24:47.270
  • - ANTHONY THOMPSON: I WANT
  • 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:58.200
  • PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT GOD'S PEACE
  • 00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.120
  • IS REAL.
  • 00:24:59.120 --> 00:25:00.020
  • I FELT IT.
  • 00:25:00.020 --> 00:25:00.290
  • IT'S THE THING THAT HELPS ME TO
  • 00:25:00.290 --> 00:25:01.280
  • MOVE FORWARD IN MY LIFE, AND
  • 00:25:01.280 --> 00:25:02.180
  • I'LL NEVER GIVE IT BACK.
  • 00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:04.130
  • - ROSE SIMMONS: JUST BECAUSE I
  • 00:25:04.130 --> 00:25:05.150
  • AM AN ADVOCATE OF FORGIVENESS,
  • 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:08.220
  • IT'S NOT THAT I WANT JUSTICE TO
  • 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:10.140
  • BE SILENCED-- THAT JESUS CAME TO
  • 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.080
  • THIS WORLD AND DIED FOR ME, AS
  • 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:14.020