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Guests Anthony Thompson, Jennifer Pinckney & Rose Simmons

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August 2, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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Guests Anthony Thompson, Jennifer Pinckney & Rose Simmons

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  • [SMOOCH]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [BING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [BOINK]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [CRASH]
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  • [CHEERS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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  • FOLKS.
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  • I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE KIND OF MIX
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  • IT UP ON THIS SHOW.
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  • WE DO COMEDY, WE DO TRAGEDY,
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  • TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING WE HOPE
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  • THAT WILL CONCERN YOU WHO ARE
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  • TODAY WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS
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  • UNSPEAKABLY DIFFICULT TO
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  • DISCUSS, AND, ULTIMATELY,
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  • UNSPEAKABLY BEAUTIFUL.
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  • I'M SITTING IN THE STUDIO TODAY
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  • WITH SOMEONE I'VE JUST HAD THE
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  • PRIVILEGE TO MEET.
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  • YOU KNOW ABOUT HIS STORY.
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  • FOUR YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A
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  • HORRIFIC SHOOTING.
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  • NINE PEOPLE WERE MURDERED IN A
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  • CHURCH IN CHARLESTON.
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  • YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT MANY OF
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  • THOSE FOLKS, WHILE THEY WERE
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  • PRAYING, WHILE THEY WERE DOING A
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  • BIBLE STUDY, WERE MURDERED BY
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  • THIS YOUNG MAN, DYLANN ROOF, AND
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  • OUT OF THIS HORROR CAME
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  • SOMETHING THAT MOST OF US CANNOT
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  • IMAGINE.
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  • A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
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  • THE VICTIMS OF THIS, WHOSE
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  • FAMILY MEMBERS WERE KILLED,
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  • CHOSE TO PRIVATELY AND PUBLICLY
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  • FORGIVE THE MURDERER.
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  • I CAN'T GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT,
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  • BUT, FORTUNATELY, I HAVE IN THE
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  • STUDIO PASTOR ANTHONY THOMPSON,
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  • WHOSE WIFE, MYRA, WAS KILLED
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  • THAT DAY.
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  • HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED
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  • "CALLED TO FORGIVE" IS THE TITLE
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  • OF THE BOOK.
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  • PASTOR THOMPSON, WELCOME.
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  • - PASTOR ANTHONY THOMPSON:
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  • THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR
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  • HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
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  • - ERIC: IT'S SO DIFFICULT FOR
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  • ANYBODY TO COMPREHEND WHAT
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  • YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH BECAUSE WE
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  • DON'T WANNA COMPREHEND IT.
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  • IT'S JUST SUCH AGONY TO THINK
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  • ABOUT SOMEBODY GOING THROUGH
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  • WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH.
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  • SO LET'S GET INTO YOUR STORY.
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  • FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE A PASTOR.
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  • YOU'VE BEEN A PASTOR.
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  • YOUR WIFE, MYRA, WHO WAS KILLED,
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  • WAS ALSO PURSING MINISTRY.
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  • - ANTHONY: YES.
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  • - ERIC: YOU HAVE CHILDREN?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES, WE HAVE ONE
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  • DAUGHTER, TWO BOYS.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO THREE KIDS.
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  • SO TELL US THE STORY.
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  • I MEAN, BEFORE YOU GET TO
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  • FORGIVENESS WHICH IS ITSELF A
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  • STAGGERING THOUGHT, GIVEN WHAT
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  • YOU WENT THROUGH, WHERE WERE YOU
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  • BEFORE THIS?
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  • HOW DID THIS UNFOLD IN YOUR
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  • - ANTHONY: WELL, BEFORE THIS
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  • ACTUAL TRAGEDY, MY WIFE AND I
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  • WERE MAKING PLANS, OF COURSE,
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  • FOR HER TO, AFTER PURSUING THE
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  • TO BECOME A MINISTER AND
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  • PROBABLY WORK RIGHT THERE AT
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  • EMANUEL AME CHURCH WHILE I
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  • CONTINUE MY MINISTRY AT
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  • HOLY TRINITY REFORMED
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  • EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
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  • - ERIC: SO YOU'RE A PASTOR AT A
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  • DIFFERENT CHURCH IN CHARLESTON?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES.
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  • - ERIC: AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU
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  • BEEN AT THE CHURCH?
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  • - ANTHONY: I'VE BEEN AT
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  • HOLY TRINITY SINCE 2010.
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  • I'VE BEEN IN THE MINISTRY FOR
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  • ABOUT 25, 30 YEARS AND--
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  • - ERIC: ARE YOU A LIFELONG
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  • CHARLESTON RESIDENT?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES, I WAS BORN AND
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  • RAISED IN CHARLESTON,
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  • SOUTH CAROLINA.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, HOW DID YOU FIND
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  • OUT ABOUT THIS?
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  • YOU WERE NOT AT THE CHURCH, AT
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  • THIS AME CHURCH WHEN THIS TOOK
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  • PLACE?
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  • - ANTHONY: NO, I WAS NOT
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  • PRESENT.
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  • I WANTED TO BE THERE, BUT FOR
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  • SOME REASON, SHE KEPT TELLING ME
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  • NOT TO COME, AND IT WAS--
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  • - ERIC: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
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  • - ANTHONY: WELL, SHE AND I
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  • ALWAYS WENT EVERYWHERE TOGETHER,
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  • ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING,
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  • ESPECIALLY HER HAVIN' HER BIBLE
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  • STUDY FOR THE FIRST NIGHT, BUT
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  • FOR SOME REASON WE WENT
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  • BACK AND FORTH FOR ABOUT
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  • 15 MINUTES BEFORE SHE LEFT
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  • SAYIN', "I'M COMIN'," "NO,
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  • YOU'RE NOT COMIN'."
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  • "I'M COMIN',"
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  • "NO, YOU'RE NOT COMING."
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  • AND I FOUND OUT AFTERWARDS
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  • IT WAS, YOU KNOW, GOD'S DESIRES.
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  • - ERIC: WOW.
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  • SO, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DIDN'T GO,
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  • AND YOU GO HOME THAT NIGHT,
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  • AND THEN I SUPPOSE THE
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  • PHONE RINGS?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES, IT WAS A MEMBER
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  • FROM EMANUEL CHURCH, TELLING ME
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  • TO GO TO THE CHURCH BECAUSE THEY
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  • WERE SHOOTING AT THE CHURCH, SO
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  • I DROPPED THE PHONE, AND I RAN
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  • OUT OF THE HOUSE AND GOT DOWN
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  • NEAR TO THE CHURCH 'CAUSE WE
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  • LIVE MAYBE FIVE MINUTES AWAY
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  • FROM THE CHURCH.
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  • I WAS, LIKE, MAYBE FIRST PERSON,
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  • ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE ON THE
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  • SCENE, AND AT FIRST, THEY
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  • ADVISED ME THAT THE MEMBERS HAVE
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  • BEEN SENT OVER TO A HOTEL
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  • ADJACENT TO THE CHURCH, SO I
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  • WENT THERE LOOKING FOR HER.
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  • AFTER REALIZING SHE WASN'T
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  • THERE, THAT'S WHEN I JUST RAN TO
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  • THE CHURCH, TRYING TO GET INTO
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  • THE CHURCH, AND I GOT CLOSE TO
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  • THE DOOR, AND SOMEONE SNATCHED
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  • ME BACK, AND I FOUND OUT IT WAS
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  • AN FBI AGENT TELLIN' ME, I DON'T
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  • WANNA GO IN THERE.
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  • OF COURSE, THAT WAS A TOUGH
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  • BATTLE 'CAUSE IT TOOK FIVE
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  • PEOPLE TO HOLD ME DOWN TO KEEP
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  • ME FROM GOIN' INSIDE THE CHURCH.
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  • WELL, ONCE I DISCOVERED THAT MY
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  • WIFE HAD BEEN KILLED, THAT'S
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  • WHEN I JUST LOST CONTROL.
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  • I JUST LOST ALL CONTROL FOR THE
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  • FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, AND I
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  • JUST CRIED AND WALLOWED
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  • ON THE GROUND.
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  • - ERIC: I WOULD THINK THAT'S
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  • THE NORMAL HUMAN REACTION TO
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  • SOMETHING THAT HORRIBLE.
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  • I CAN'T-- I DON'T WANNA THINK
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  • PAST THAT.
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  • BUT YOU RECEIVE WHAT IS
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  • OBVIOUSLY HORRIFYING NEWS.
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  • IT'S ONE THING TO BE TOLD THAT
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  • SOMEONE HAS DIED, BUT THE IDEA
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  • THAT SOMEONE WAS KILLED IN THESE
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  • CIRCUMSTANCES, DID YOU HEAR
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  • IMMEDIATELY WHO HAD DONE THIS OR
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  • WHY HE HAD DONE THIS?
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  • BECAUSE IT'S STILL-- THERE'S NO
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  • ACTUAL REASON.
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  • THERE'S NO POSSIBLE REASON.
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  • THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A
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  • MADNESS, AN EVIL-- THERE'S NO
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  • EXPLAINING IT.
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  • BUT WHEN DID YOU BEGIN TO HEAR
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  • THE DETAILS OF WHO THIS WAS AND
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  • - ANTHONY: WELL, THAT
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  • PARTICULAR NIGHT, NO ONE KNEW
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  • EXACTLY WHO DID IT.
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  • REALLY DIDN'T FIND OUT TILL THE
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  • AND I REALLY DIDN'T CONCENTRATE
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  • ON WHO HE WAS OR WHAT HIS NAME
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  • WAS UNTIL WE GOT TO THE BOND
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  • HEARINGS WHEN I HEARD HIS NAME
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  • FOR THE FIRST TIME.
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  • OF COURSE, I DID NOT WANNA BE AT
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  • THAT BOND HEARING 'CAUSE I KNEW
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  • HE WOULD RECEIVE A BOND.
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  • THEY WOULD TAKE HIM BACK TO A
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  • CELL, SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY POINTS
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  • OF BEING THERE.
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  • - ERIC: BUT YOUR KIDS URGED YOU
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  • TO GO?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES, MY KIDS.
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  • - ERIC: AND DID YOU GO?
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  • - ANTHONY: YES, I DID GO.
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  • - ERIC: AND WHAT HAPPENED?
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  • - ANTHONY: WELL, I TOLD THEM,
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  • "WHEN WE GET THERE, I WANT
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  • EVERYBODY TO KEEP THEIR MOUTHS
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  • CLOSED.
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  • DON'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE
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  • GONNA GO THERE; WE'RE GONNA SIT
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  • DOWN FOR A FEW MINUTES; WE'RE
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  • GONNA GET UP, AND WERE GONNA
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  • LEAVE."
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  • AND NADINE WAS THE FIRST
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  • ONE TO TELL DYLANN ROOF
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  • THAT SHE FORGAVE HIM.
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  • - ERIC: WHO'S THAT?
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  • - ANTHONY: NADINE, SHE'S A
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  • FAMILY MEMBER OF ONE OF THE
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  • PERSONS KILLED.
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  • HER MOTHER WAS A LANCE,
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  • MRS. LANCE.
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  • - ERIC: SO SHE STOOD UP AT THIS
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  • BOND HEARING AND LOOKED AT
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  • DYLANN ROOF, THE MURDERER, AND
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  • TOLD HIM IN THAT ROOM THAT SHE
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  • FORGAVE HIM?
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  • - ANTHONY: SHE DID.
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  • - ERIC: WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU
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  • THAT MOMENT?
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  • WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
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  • - ANTHONY: WELL, AT THAT
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  • MOMENT, I REALLY WAS JUST
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  • THINKIN' ABOUT MY WIFE, STILL
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  • HAD HER ON MY MIND, AND I WAS
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  • LOOKIN' AT MY WATCH, LOOKIN' AT
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  • MY KIDS, SHAKIN' MY HEAD,
  • 00:07:23.060 --> 00:07:25.050
  • LETTIN' THEM KNOW IT'S TIME TO
  • 00:07:25.050 --> 00:07:25.260
  • GO.
  • 00:07:25.260 --> 00:07:27.040
  • I SAID, "AS SOON AS NADINE GETS
  • 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:28.180
  • THROUGH, WE'RE GETTING UP, AND
  • 00:07:28.180 --> 00:07:29.090
  • WE'RE LEAVING."
  • 00:07:29.090 --> 00:07:30.040
  • HOWEVER, GOD HAD OTHER PLANS.
  • 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:34.200
  • - ERIC: "GOD HAD OTHER PLANS"?
  • 00:07:34.200 --> 00:07:35.120
  • - ANTHONY: GOD HAD OTHER PLANS.
  • 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:36.090
  • NO SOONER THAN I SAID THAT,
  • 00:07:36.090 --> 00:07:38.250
  • HE JUST INTERVENED,
  • 00:07:38.250 --> 00:07:40.080
  • AND I KNOW THAT VOICE.
  • 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:40.260
  • I'VE HEARD THAT VOICE SO MANY
  • 00:07:40.260 --> 00:07:42.030
  • TIMES IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:07:42.030 --> 00:07:43.140
  • HEARD IT WHEN I WAS SEVEN YEARS
  • 00:07:43.140 --> 00:07:44.200
  • OLD, AND HE TOLD ME I WAS GONNA
  • 00:07:44.200 --> 00:07:45.160
  • BE A PREACHER, AND I TOLD HIM,
  • 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.130
  • "NO."
  • 00:07:46.130 --> 00:07:48.090
  • I HEARD IT AT THE NIGHT OF
  • 00:07:48.090 --> 00:07:49.240
  • THE TRAGEDY WHEN I WAS ON THE
  • 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.020
  • GROUND, JUST IN MISERY, AND HE
  • 00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:52.000
  • TOLD ME TO GET UP.
  • 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:52.270
  • SO WHEN I HEARD IT, I KNEW IT
  • 00:07:52.270 --> 00:07:54.030
  • WAS HIM, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:07:54.030 --> 00:07:55.080
  • HE SAID.
  • 00:07:55.080 --> 00:07:55.250
  • HE SAID, "GET UP."
  • 00:07:55.250 --> 00:07:56.290
  • HE SAID, "I HAVE SOMETHING
  • 00:07:56.290 --> 00:07:57.180
  • TO SAY."
  • 00:07:57.180 --> 00:07:59.070
  • AND SO I GOT UP,
  • 00:07:59.070 --> 00:08:00.180
  • AND I WALKED TO THE PODIUM,
  • 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:01.170
  • AND MY KIDS ARE WATCHIN'
  • 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:02.160
  • ME LIKE, "WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
  • 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.170
  • YOU TOLD US NOT TO SAY
  • 00:08:03.170 --> 00:08:04.040
  • ANYTHING."
  • 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:04.150
  • AND I FIGURED THEY
  • 00:08:04.150 --> 00:08:05.230
  • WOULD UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:08:05.230 --> 00:08:06.110
  • SO, ON MY WAY TO THE PODIUM,
  • 00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:07.250
  • I'M ASKIN' HIM,
  • 00:08:07.250 --> 00:08:09.090
  • "WELL, WHAT DO YOU
  • 00:08:09.090 --> 00:08:10.000
  • HAVE TO SAY?
  • 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:10.160
  • 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO
  • 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:11.080
  • SAY."
  • 00:08:11.080 --> 00:08:11.220
  • AND IT JUST CAME OUT:
  • 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.020
  • "I FORGIVE YOU;
  • 00:08:13.020 --> 00:08:15.020
  • MY FAMILY FORGIVES YOU,
  • 00:08:15.020 --> 00:08:16.280
  • BUT YOU NEED TO REPENT.
  • 00:08:16.280 --> 00:08:19.230
  • CONFESS AND REPENT.
  • 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:21.030
  • GIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE ONE IT
  • 00:08:21.030 --> 00:08:22.110
  • MEANS THE MOST TO-- CHRIST.
  • 00:08:22.110 --> 00:08:23.230
  • AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU
  • 00:08:25.090 --> 00:08:28.090
  • KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO
  • 00:08:28.090 --> 00:08:29.010
  • YOUR LIFE, HE WILL CHANGE YOUR
  • 00:08:29.010 --> 00:08:30.270
  • WAYS, HE'LL CHANGE YOUR
  • 00:08:30.270 --> 00:08:31.220
  • ATTITUDES, AND NO MATTER HOW
  • 00:08:31.220 --> 00:08:32.190
  • MUCH TROUBLE YOU'RE IN RIGHT
  • 00:08:32.190 --> 00:08:33.180
  • NOW, YOU DO THAT, EVERYTHING
  • 00:08:33.180 --> 00:08:34.250
  • ELSE WILL BE OKAY.
  • 00:08:34.250 --> 00:08:35.260
  • - ERIC: NOBODY CAN COMPREHEND
  • 00:08:35.260 --> 00:08:37.070
  • HOW YOU COULD DO THAT.
  • 00:08:37.070 --> 00:08:39.160
  • I MEAN, THAT TAKES A KIND OF A
  • 00:08:39.160 --> 00:08:40.210
  • FAITH THAT, I WOULD SAY, YOU
  • 00:08:40.210 --> 00:08:42.000
  • KNOW, A LOT OF SO-CALLED
  • 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:42.290
  • "CHRISTIANS," THEY DO NOT WALK
  • 00:08:42.290 --> 00:08:45.290
  • IN THAT KIND OF FAITH.
  • 00:08:45.290 --> 00:08:46.160
  • PASTOR THOMPSON, I JUST-- I HAVE
  • 00:08:46.160 --> 00:08:49.010
  • TO MARVEL BECAUSE IT'S VERY RARE
  • 00:08:49.010 --> 00:08:50.080
  • IN AMERICAN CULTURE AND PUBLIC
  • 00:08:51.030 --> 00:08:54.030
  • LIFE WE GET SOMETHING AS STARK
  • 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:59.210
  • AS WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS DID
  • 00:08:59.210 --> 00:09:01.030
  • IN FORGIVING.
  • 00:09:01.030 --> 00:09:03.150
  • IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S RARE THAT
  • 00:09:03.150 --> 00:09:04.180
  • WE SEE THIS KIND OF EVIL, AND
  • 00:09:04.180 --> 00:09:05.260
  • IT'S THAT MUCH RARER, MUCH RARER
  • 00:09:05.260 --> 00:09:08.070
  • EVEN THAN THE EVIL, TO SEE THE
  • 00:09:08.070 --> 00:09:10.130
  • FORGIVENESS OF THE EVIL.
  • 00:09:10.130 --> 00:09:12.270
  • AND I WAS JUST TALKING WITH YOU
  • 00:09:12.270 --> 00:09:14.250
  • ABOUT HOW SOME PEOPLE GET ANGRY
  • 00:09:14.250 --> 00:09:16.110
  • THAT "HOW CAN YOU DO THAT?
  • 00:09:16.110 --> 00:09:18.010
  • YOU'RE GIVING A PASS TO THESE
  • 00:09:18.010 --> 00:09:19.230
  • RACISTS," AND STUFF, AND I KNOW
  • 00:09:19.230 --> 00:09:20.150
  • YOU DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
  • 00:09:20.150 --> 00:09:21.190
  • HOW DO YOU SEE IT?
  • 00:09:21.190 --> 00:09:22.240
  • BECAUSE YOU AND I, AS
  • 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.110
  • CHRISTIANS, UNDERSTAND WE'RE
  • 00:09:24.110 --> 00:09:25.110
  • TALKING ABOUT EVIL, SATANIC,
  • 00:09:25.110 --> 00:09:28.010
  • DEMONIC EVIL, THIS KIND OF
  • 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:28.210
  • MURDER.
  • 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:30.090
  • THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT
  • 00:09:30.090 --> 00:09:31.100
  • THERE'S TRUE EVIL WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:09:31.100 --> 00:09:33.070
  • - ANTHONY: OH, YEAH, DEFINITELY
  • 00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:36.020
  • IS, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
  • 00:09:37.170 --> 00:09:40.170
  • SAYS, "DON'T OVERCOME EVIL WITH
  • 00:09:40.170 --> 00:09:42.080
  • EVIL," AND THERE'S A REASON
  • 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:42.280
  • BEHIND THAT.
  • 00:09:42.280 --> 00:09:43.100
  • YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:09:45.180 --> 00:09:46.210
  • IF YOU SOW EVIL, YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:09:46.210 --> 00:09:47.290
  • GET EVIL BACK, SO THAT MEANS, IF
  • 00:09:47.290 --> 00:09:49.130
  • I CAN'T FORGIVE HIM, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:49.130 --> 00:09:51.010
  • THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH
  • 00:09:51.010 --> 00:09:53.050
  • ME?
  • 00:09:53.050 --> 00:09:54.260
  • GOD SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN'T
  • 00:09:54.260 --> 00:09:56.210
  • FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS
  • 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:57.270
  • AGAINST ME, THEN HE CAN'T
  • 00:09:57.270 --> 00:09:59.050
  • FORGIVE ME, SO THEN THAT MEANS
  • 00:09:59.050 --> 00:10:00.170
  • DYLANN AND I ARE IN THE SAME
  • 00:10:00.170 --> 00:10:02.160
  • BOAT, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:10:02.160 --> 00:10:04.260
  • - ERIC: AND YOU HAVE MET THIS
  • 00:10:04.260 --> 00:10:06.030
  • YOUNG MAN?
  • 00:10:06.030 --> 00:10:07.100
  • - ANTHONY: WELL, ONLY AT THE
  • 00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:08.010
  • BOND HEARING IS THE ONLY TIME I
  • 00:10:08.010 --> 00:10:08.230
  • SAW HIM.
  • 00:10:08.230 --> 00:10:10.290
  • - ERIC: OKAY, THAT'S WHEN YOU
  • 00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:11.200
  • SAW HIM?
  • 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:12.000
  • - ANTHONY: MM-HMM.
  • 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.000
  • YOU KNOW, AND TO CONTINUE TO
  • 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.150
  • HOLD ONTO IT, TO HAVE A GRUDGE
  • 00:10:14.150 --> 00:10:16.150
  • OR TO TAKE REVENGE, IT'S GONNA
  • 00:10:16.150 --> 00:10:18.230
  • MAKE-- IT WOULD MAKE MY LIFE
  • 00:10:18.230 --> 00:10:20.010
  • JUST MISERABLE.
  • 00:10:20.010 --> 00:10:21.250
  • IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING,
  • 00:10:21.250 --> 00:10:23.040
  • "DYLANN, JUST COME ON AND TAKE
  • 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:24.250
  • CONTROL OF MY LIFE," YOU KNOW,
  • 00:10:24.250 --> 00:10:26.100
  • "I WANT THIS EVIL TO SPREAD ALL
  • 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:29.040
  • OVER THE WORLD," AND SO--
  • 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:30.220
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S GIVING INTO
  • 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:31.140
  • EVIL.
  • 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:31.230
  • - ANTHONY: YEAH.
  • 00:10:31.230 --> 00:10:32.080
  • - ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE
  • 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:33.120
  • ALLOWING EVIL TO SPREAD TO YOU.
  • 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:34.040
  • - ANTHONY: YES, YES.
  • 00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:34.210
  • - ERIC: AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:10:34.210 --> 00:10:36.020
  • WOULDN'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
  • 00:10:36.020 --> 00:10:38.110
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY LOVE THE
  • 00:10:38.110 --> 00:10:39.020
  • IDEA OF REVENGE.
  • 00:10:39.020 --> 00:10:40.230
  • IT SOUNDS LIKE JUSTICE.
  • 00:10:40.230 --> 00:10:41.290
  • - ANTHONY: MM-HMM.
  • 00:10:41.290 --> 00:10:42.150
  • - ERIC: SO WHEN YOU FORGIVE-- I
  • 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:43.070
  • JUST WANNA MAKE THIS THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:10:43.070 --> 00:10:44.010
  • POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE A PASTOR,
  • 00:10:44.010 --> 00:10:44.220
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:45.030
  • -- YOU'RE NOT SAYING, "OH, WE'RE
  • 00:10:45.030 --> 00:10:47.010
  • GONNA FORGET ABOUT IT."
  • 00:10:47.010 --> 00:10:48.220
  • YOU DON'T MEAN THAT?
  • 00:10:48.220 --> 00:10:49.110
  • IT'S LIKE JESUS ON THE CROSS.
  • 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:52.100
  • TO FORGIVE IS A TREMENDOUSLY
  • 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:54.090
  • HEROIC, BRAVE THING BECAUSE THE
  • 00:10:55.130 --> 00:10:58.130
  • EASY THING WOULD BE TO HATE.
  • 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:01.250
  • I MEAN, THE MOST NATURAL THING I
  • 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:02.220
  • COULD EVEN IMAGINE WOULD BE, IN
  • 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:03.200
  • YOUR POSITION, TO HATE.
  • 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.090
  • - ANTHONY: YEAH, NOW, THAT'S
  • 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:06.290
  • THE EASIEST THING TO DO, TO
  • 00:11:06.290 --> 00:11:07.240
  • HATE, HOWEVER, HATING HIM WOULD
  • 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.060
  • ONLY MAKE MY LIFE MISERABLE AND
  • 00:11:10.060 --> 00:11:12.100
  • MY FAMILY LIFE MISERABLE, AND IT
  • 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:13.160
  • JUST TRICKLES DOWNHILL, YOU
  • 00:11:13.160 --> 00:11:14.240
  • KNOW, YOUR CHURCH, YOUR
  • 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.080
  • COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU
  • 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.100
  • TAKE ALL OF THIS EVERYWHERE YOU
  • 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:18.160
  • GO.
  • 00:11:18.160 --> 00:11:19.130
  • LET ME TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:11:19.130 --> 00:11:21.060
  • HAPPENED WHEN I DID FORGIVE HIM.
  • 00:11:21.060 --> 00:11:23.120
  • WHEN I FORGAVE HIM, IMMEDIATELY,
  • 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.070
  • IMMEDIATELY MY BODY BEGAN TO
  • 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:26.000
  • TREMBLE.
  • 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.200
  • - ERIC: IN THE BOND HEARING?
  • 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.260
  • - ANTHONY: IN THE BOND HEARING.
  • 00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:30.080
  • AND I FELT EVERYTHING LEAVIN' MY
  • 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.260
  • BODY.
  • 00:11:31.260 --> 00:11:32.240
  • I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING
  • 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.170
  • WAS IN ME, JUST LEAVIN' ME, AND
  • 00:11:34.170 --> 00:11:36.270
  • IT WAS ALL THE ANGER, THE RAGE,
  • 00:11:36.270 --> 00:11:38.030
  • THE HATE, THE MALICE-- IT WAS
  • 00:11:38.030 --> 00:11:39.220
  • EVERYTHING, THE SADNESS I FELT
  • 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.040
  • ABOUT MY WIFE, HE JUST TOOK IT
  • 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.280
  • AWAY.
  • 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:43.270
  • I MEAN, HE TOOK IT AWAY, AND
  • 00:11:43.270 --> 00:11:45.170
  • WHEN HE WAS THROUGH WITH ME, I
  • 00:11:45.170 --> 00:11:48.080
  • WAS LIGHT AS A FEATHER, AND I
  • 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:49.140
  • EXPERIENCED REAL PEACE.
  • 00:11:49.140 --> 00:11:50.020
  • REAL PEACE.
  • 00:11:50.260 --> 00:11:53.260
  • I MEAN, I PREACHED ABOUT THAT
  • 00:11:53.260 --> 00:11:54.170
  • "PEACE THAT PASSES ALL
  • 00:11:54.170 --> 00:11:56.060
  • UNDERSTANDING."
  • 00:11:56.060 --> 00:11:56.210
  • I PREACHED ABOUT
  • 00:11:56.210 --> 00:11:58.130
  • IT SO MANY TIMES.
  • 00:11:58.130 --> 00:11:58.280
  • I THOUGHT I HAD IT.
  • 00:11:58.280 --> 00:11:59.240
  • I THOUGHT MY CONGREGATION HAD
  • 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.220
  • IT, BUT, NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT,
  • 00:12:00.220 --> 00:12:02.010
  • BUT I FELT IT THAT DAY.
  • 00:12:02.010 --> 00:12:03.190
  • I KNOW WHAT PEACE FEELS LIKE.
  • 00:12:03.190 --> 00:12:05.030
  • IT IS REAL.
  • 00:12:05.030 --> 00:12:06.020
  • I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT GOD'S
  • 00:12:06.020 --> 00:12:07.120
  • PEACE IS REAL.
  • 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:08.150
  • I FELT IT.
  • 00:12:08.150 --> 00:12:10.000
  • IT'S STILL WITH ME TODAY.
  • 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:10.270
  • IT'S THE THING THAT HELPS ME TO
  • 00:12:10.270 --> 00:12:12.050
  • MOVE FORWARD IN MY LIFE, AND
  • 00:12:12.050 --> 00:12:13.160
  • I'LL NEVER GIVE IT BACK.
  • 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.200
  • - ERIC: WHAT DO YOUR CHILDREN
  • 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:19.110
  • HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS?
  • 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:20.270
  • - ANTHONY: THEY HAVE PEACE
  • 00:12:20.270 --> 00:12:22.110
  • AS WELL.
  • 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:23.250
  • YOU KNOW, THAT DAY AT THE BOND
  • 00:12:23.250 --> 00:12:24.260
  • HEARING, THEY UNDERSTOOD VERY
  • 00:12:24.260 --> 00:12:26.000
  • WELL WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHEN
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.230
  • THEY HEARD ME 'CAUSE THEY KNOW
  • 00:12:27.230 --> 00:12:29.150
  • HOW I AM, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF
  • 00:12:29.150 --> 00:12:30.250
  • RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH THE
  • 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:31.290
  • LORD, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME.
  • 00:12:31.290 --> 00:12:33.100
  • THEY SAW THE PEACE OF ME, SO
  • 00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:36.050
  • AUTOMATICALLY THEY FELT THAT
  • 00:12:36.050 --> 00:12:37.090
  • SAME PEACE, AND THAT'S WHAT I
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:38.240
  • SAY ABOUT HATE.
  • 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:39.260
  • IF YOU FEEL HATE FOR WHAT
  • 00:12:39.260 --> 00:12:41.010
  • SOMEBODY DID TO YOU, THEN IT'S
  • 00:12:41.010 --> 00:12:42.220
  • GOIN' TO IMPART TO SOMEONE ELSE.
  • 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:45.030
  • JUST LIKE THE PEACE HAD IMPARTED
  • 00:12:45.030 --> 00:12:46.090
  • TO MY KIDS, HATE CAN IMPART TO
  • 00:12:46.090 --> 00:12:47.230
  • THEM IF I HATED THIS GUY, BUT
  • 00:12:47.230 --> 00:12:50.100
  • WE'RE ALL AT PEACE, EVEN MY
  • 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:51.240
  • GRANDKIDS.
  • 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:52.180
  • WE'RE AT PEACE.
  • 00:12:52.180 --> 00:12:53.150
  • YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE
  • 00:12:53.150 --> 00:12:54.220
  • FORWARD.
  • 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:55.270
  • - ERIC: WOW, I JUST--
  • 00:12:55.270 --> 00:12:57.030
  • AND, NOW, THERE WERE OTHERS
  • 00:12:57.030 --> 00:12:59.100
  • ALSO THAT FORGAVE THIS MAN.
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:02.100
  • I MEAN, THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC
  • 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:03.180
  • WITNESS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH,
  • 00:13:03.180 --> 00:13:05.050
  • WHEN YOU SEE IT'S ONE THING TO
  • 00:13:05.050 --> 00:13:07.160
  • FORGIVE A MURDERER, BUT TO
  • 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:09.100
  • FORGIVE A MURDERER WHO MURDERED
  • 00:13:09.160 --> 00:13:12.160
  • SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE HE HATES
  • 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:16.070
  • BLACK PEOPLE, TO DO THAT IN THIS
  • 00:13:16.070 --> 00:13:18.290
  • CULTURE IS JUST THE LOUDEST
  • 00:13:18.290 --> 00:13:21.070
  • STATEMENT YOU COULD EVER MAKE.
  • 00:13:21.070 --> 00:13:22.290
  • - ANTHONY: YES.
  • 00:13:22.290 --> 00:13:24.040
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU
  • 00:13:24.040 --> 00:13:25.160
  • PRAY TWICE A DAY FOR HER
  • 00:13:25.160 --> 00:13:27.170
  • MURDERER, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK,
  • 00:13:27.170 --> 00:13:29.100
  • "THAT MAN MUST BE CRAZY.
  • 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:30.110
  • WHAT COULD MAKE HIM DO THAT?
  • 00:13:30.110 --> 00:13:31.050
  • - ANTHONY: WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT
  • 00:13:36.160 --> 00:13:37.080
  • DYLANN, ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS IN
  • 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.280
  • THE BOND HEARING,
  • 00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:39.130
  • I SEE HIM THE SAME
  • 00:13:39.130 --> 00:13:39.280
  • WAY I SEE MYSELF.
  • 00:13:39.280 --> 00:13:40.130
  • HE MAY BE A MURDERER, BUT HE'S A
  • 00:13:40.130 --> 00:13:41.200
  • GOD FORGAVE ME.
  • 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:44.150
  • WHY CAN'T I FORGIVE HIM?
  • 00:13:44.150 --> 00:13:46.140
  • YOU KNOW, NOBODY EXPERIENCED--
  • 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:48.280
  • KNOWS MUCH GREATER PAIN AND
  • 00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:50.270
  • SUFFERING THAN JESUS CHRIST
  • 00:13:50.270 --> 00:13:52.000
  • HIMSELF.
  • 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.100
  • YOU KNOW, THE SUFFERING THAT I'M
  • 00:13:53.100 --> 00:13:54.200
  • EXPERIENCED IS NOT EVEN--
  • 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.050
  • NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT HE DID,
  • 00:13:57.050 --> 00:13:58.210
  • AND SO MY CHOICE IS TO SEE HIM,
  • 00:13:58.210 --> 00:14:01.050
  • TO SEE DYLANN,
  • 00:14:01.050 --> 00:14:03.200
  • ONE DAY FOR HIM AND MY WIFE--
  • 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.040
  • 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT MYRA
  • 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:07.150
  • WOULD WANT: SHE WOULD WANT ONE
  • 00:14:07.150 --> 00:14:08.280
  • DAY TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO HIM,
  • 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.080
  • "I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT.
  • 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:13.290
  • I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT HERE, YOU
  • 00:14:13.290 --> 00:14:14.200
  • KNOW?
  • 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:15.000
  • NOW LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO THE
  • 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.110
  • LORD."
  • 00:14:16.110 --> 00:14:18.040
  • THAT'S MY WIFE.
  • 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:18.200
  • THAT'S JUST THE WAY SHE WAS.
  • 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.210
  • SO I CAN'T SEE MYSELF NOT
  • 00:14:19.210 --> 00:14:22.010
  • PRAYING FOR HIM.
  • 00:14:22.010 --> 00:14:23.150
  • - ERIC: THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE
  • 00:14:23.150 --> 00:14:25.200
  • STUFF.
  • 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:26.230
  • - ANTHONY: I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT
  • 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:27.150
  • DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
  • 00:14:27.150 --> 00:14:28.060
  • RECONCILIATION, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:14:28.060 --> 00:14:29.070
  • TO FORGIVE SOMEONE,
  • 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:31.220
  • RECONCILIATION IS NOT NECESSARY,
  • 00:14:31.220 --> 00:14:34.130
  • YOU KNOW, NOT UNLESS YOU AND THE
  • 00:14:34.130 --> 00:14:35.240
  • PERSON YOU'RE FORGIVIN' WANT TO
  • 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.200
  • RECONCILE FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES,
  • 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.140
  • BUT IN MY CASE, YOU KNOW, I
  • 00:14:39.140 --> 00:14:41.000
  • DIDN'T KNOW DYLANN.
  • 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.040
  • DON'T REALLY WANT TO KNOW HIM.
  • 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:43.260
  • WOULD LOVE TO HELP HIM OUT.
  • 00:14:43.260 --> 00:14:46.110
  • I WROTE HIM A LETTER, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:47.050
  • TO PRISON, LET HIM KNOW WHO MY
  • 00:14:48.060 --> 00:14:51.060
  • WIFE WAS, THE KIND OF PERSON SHE
  • 00:14:51.060 --> 00:14:51.280
  • WAS, AND LET HIM KNOW HE WAS
  • 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:53.040
  • RESPONSIBLE AND HE IS TO BLAME
  • 00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:55.060
  • FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE
  • 00:14:55.060 --> 00:14:56.080
  • PEOPLE, AND HE NEED TO TAKE
  • 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.100
  • RESPONSIBILITY.
  • 00:14:58.100 --> 00:14:59.190
  • AT THE SAME TIME, I REMINDED HIM
  • 00:14:59.190 --> 00:15:01.070
  • THAT I STILL FORGIVE HIM AND
  • 00:15:01.070 --> 00:15:02.190
  • THAT, IF HE NEEDED ME TO COME IN
  • 00:15:02.190 --> 00:15:04.150
  • THE JAIL TO HELP HIM TURN HIS
  • 00:15:04.150 --> 00:15:05.100
  • LIFE TO THE LORD, I WOULD DO
  • 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:06.140
  • THAT.
  • 00:15:06.140 --> 00:15:08.070
  • AND SO IT'S NOT HARD TO SEE HIM,
  • 00:15:08.070 --> 00:15:11.020
  • YOU KNOW, AS A CHILD OF GOD
  • 00:15:11.020 --> 00:15:12.280
  • BECAUSE I AM TOO, BUT AS
  • 00:15:12.280 --> 00:15:14.030
  • CHILDREN OF GOD, WE STILL ARE
  • 00:15:14.030 --> 00:15:15.020
  • SINNERS.
  • 00:15:15.020 --> 00:15:16.080
  • WE ALL ARE.
  • 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:17.050
  • - ERIC: OKAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE A
  • 00:15:17.050 --> 00:15:17.270
  • PASTOR, I WANNA PUSH YOU TO
  • 00:15:17.270 --> 00:15:18.270
  • EXPLAIN THAT.
  • 00:15:18.270 --> 00:15:20.100
  • I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE
  • 00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:21.010
  • LISTENING AND SAYING, "WHAT ARE
  • 00:15:21.010 --> 00:15:22.110
  • YOU TALKIN' ABOUT?
  • 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:24.040
  • YOU'RE COMPARING YOURSELF--
  • 00:15:24.040 --> 00:15:25.030
  • YOU'RE A SINNER, AND THIS YOUNG
  • 00:15:25.180 --> 00:15:28.180
  • MAN WHO MURDERED NINE PEOPLE,
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:30.050
  • HE'S A SINNER, AND SOMEHOW,
  • 00:15:30.050 --> 00:15:31.070
  • YOU'RE EQUAL?
  • 00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:32.250
  • I DON'T GET IT."
  • 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:34.010
  • - ANTHONY: YEAH, WELL, WE'RE
  • 00:15:34.010 --> 00:15:34.220
  • EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD,
  • 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:35.230
  • BECAUSE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.090
  • JESUS DYIN' ON THAT CROSS--
  • 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:38.280
  • AS A MATTER OF FACT,
  • 00:15:38.280 --> 00:15:39.270
  • 500 YEARS BEFORE HE
  • 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:41.040
  • "BY HIS STRIPES, WE BE
  • 00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:43.240
  • HEALED," MEANING THAT WE ALL
  • 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.230
  • NEED HEALING, HEALING FROM SINS,
  • 00:15:46.230 --> 00:15:47.150
  • 500 YEARS LATER, HE DID THAT ACT
  • 00:15:51.060 --> 00:15:52.280
  • OF FORGIVENESS ON THE CROSS, AND
  • 00:15:52.280 --> 00:15:54.180
  • HE SAID, "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM,
  • 00:15:54.180 --> 00:15:55.100
  • FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO."
  • 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:57.260
  • - ERIC: BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
  • 00:15:57.260 --> 00:15:58.290
  • THOUGH IS THAT-- THIS IS, TO ME,
  • 00:15:58.290 --> 00:16:01.010
  • THE KEY-- IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING
  • 00:16:01.010 --> 00:16:02.150
  • THAT THE BIBLE SAYS, WHICH I
  • 00:16:02.150 --> 00:16:04.110
  • BELIEVE, THAT WE ALL NEED GOD'S
  • 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.000
  • FORGIVENESS, AND I GUESS THE
  • 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.080
  • POINT IS, I THINK, THAT A LOT OF
  • 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.020
  • PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, I DON'T
  • 00:16:10.020 --> 00:16:11.120
  • REALLY NEED IT.
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.010
  • I'M A GOOD PERSON."
  • 00:16:13.010 --> 00:16:15.220
  • - ANTHONY: YEAH, WELL, IT'S
  • 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:16.120
  • OKAY TO BE A GOOD PERSON.
  • 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:17.010
  • NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT,
  • 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:19.290
  • BUT IN ACTUALITY,
  • 00:16:19.290 --> 00:16:20.290
  • WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELF,
  • 00:16:22.010 --> 00:16:25.010
  • YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DO ON A
  • 00:16:25.010 --> 00:16:25.250
  • DAILY BASIS,
  • 00:16:25.250 --> 00:16:27.020
  • SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAY,
  • 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:28.110
  • YOU DON'T DO EVERYTHING RIGHT;
  • 00:16:28.110 --> 00:16:29.150
  • YOU DON'T DO EVERYTHING WRONG,
  • 00:16:29.150 --> 00:16:31.070
  • AND THE THINGS YOU DO
  • 00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:32.240
  • WRONG MAKES YOU A SINNER,
  • 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.260
  • YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE DYLANN,
  • 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:35.270
  • JUST LIKE ME.
  • 00:16:35.270 --> 00:16:37.050
  • DYLANN WAS A SINNER IN THE SENSE
  • 00:16:37.050 --> 00:16:38.210
  • THAT HE WAS A MURDERER,
  • 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:39.220
  • WHICH MADE HIM A SINNER.
  • 00:16:39.220 --> 00:16:40.210
  • YOU MAY BE A SINNER BECAUSE
  • 00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:41.200
  • YOU'RE A THIEF,
  • 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:42.220
  • BUT NO SIN IS GREATER.
  • 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.030
  • YOU KNOW, ALL SINS ARE THE SAME.
  • 00:16:45.030 --> 00:16:46.040
  • NO SIN IS GREATER THAN THE
  • 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:47.110
  • OTHER SIN.
  • 00:16:47.110 --> 00:16:48.020
  • - ERIC: WELL, IN THE SENSE THAT
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:49.070
  • THEY WILL ALL DRAG US TO HELL.
  • 00:16:49.070 --> 00:16:51.200
  • - ANTHONY: YEAH.
  • 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:52.270
  • - ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS, IT
  • 00:16:52.270 --> 00:16:53.170
  • DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A BIG SIN
  • 00:16:53.170 --> 00:16:54.090
  • OR A SMALL SIN--
  • 00:16:54.090 --> 00:16:54.290
  • - ANTHONY: ALL SIN.
  • 00:16:54.290 --> 00:16:56.180
  • - ERIC: -- THEY WILL ALL DRAG
  • 00:16:56.180 --> 00:16:57.250
  • US TO HELL, SO AT THE END OF THE
  • 00:16:57.250 --> 00:16:58.170
  • DAY, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
  • 00:16:58.170 --> 00:17:01.180
  • - ANTHONY: AT THE END OF THE
  • 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:02.090
  • DAY, WE ALL NEED TO ASK GOD'S
  • 00:17:02.090 --> 00:17:03.000
  • FORGIVENESS, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.200
  • WE ALL NEED TO FORGIVE THOSE
  • 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.090
  • WHO'VE DONE US WRONG 'CAUSE GOD
  • 00:17:06.090 --> 00:17:07.220
  • FORGAVE US.
  • 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:08.130
  • EVEN PAUL, PAUL WHO WAS A
  • 00:17:08.130 --> 00:17:09.200
  • MURDERER, OKAY, ONE DAY GOD
  • 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.290
  • THREW HIM OFF HIS HORSE, YOU
  • 00:17:11.010 --> 00:17:14.010
  • KNOW, MADE HIM BLIND, CONVERTED
  • 00:17:14.010 --> 00:17:16.100
  • HIM ON THE SPOT, A MURDERER, A
  • 00:17:16.100 --> 00:17:18.090
  • MURDERER OF CHRISTIANS, A
  • 00:17:18.090 --> 00:17:19.100
  • MURDERER OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU
  • 00:17:19.100 --> 00:17:20.020
  • AND I.
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:20.240
  • HE WAS A TERRORIST, JUST LIKE
  • 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.080
  • THE TERRORISTS WE HAVE TODAY,
  • 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:22.290
  • AND LOOK WHAT GOD DID TO HIM?
  • 00:17:22.290 --> 00:17:24.020
  • SO NOBODY'S IRREDEEMABLE.
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.060
  • EVERYBODY'S REDEEMABLE IN
  • 00:17:25.060 --> 00:17:26.090
  • GOD'S EYES.
  • 00:17:26.090 --> 00:17:28.290
  • - ERIC: WE NEED TO HEAR THAT
  • 00:17:28.290 --> 00:17:29.200
  • MORE AND MORE.
  • 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.250
  • I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU.
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:31.210
  • WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
  • 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:32.270
  • YOU SHOULD BECOME A PASTOR.
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:34.150
  • HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
  • 00:17:34.150 --> 00:17:35.080
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:17:35.080 --> 00:17:36.260
  • YEAH, GOD BLESS YOU,
  • 00:17:36.260 --> 00:17:37.120
  • PASTOR THOMPSON.
  • 00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:38.110
  • - ANTHONY: THANK YOU.
  • 00:17:38.110 --> 00:17:38.280
  • - ERIC: WHAT A PRIVILEGE.
  • 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:39.170
  • THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:40.020
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:46.030
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:17:52.180 --> 00:17:55.180
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS.
  • 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:56.070
  • WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT THE MOVIE
  • 00:17:56.070 --> 00:17:57.040
  • "EMANUEL," AND I HAVE THE
  • 00:17:57.040 --> 00:17:58.120
  • PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING WITH TWO
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:17:59.220
  • OF THE WOMEN WHO ARE IN THE FILM
  • 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:02.060
  • AND WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE
  • 00:18:02.090 --> 00:18:05.090
  • ACTUAL HORROR OF THE DAY, FOUR
  • 00:18:05.090 --> 00:18:07.040
  • YEARS AGO, WHEN SOMEONE MURDERED
  • 00:18:07.070 --> 00:18:10.070
  • NINE PEOPLE IN A CHURCH BIBLE
  • 00:18:10.070 --> 00:18:13.000
  • STUDY IN CHARLESTON,
  • 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:13.280
  • SOUTH CAROLINA.
  • 00:18:13.280 --> 00:18:15.090
  • I HAVE JOINING US NOW
  • 00:18:15.210 --> 00:18:18.210
  • JENNIFER PINCKNEY.
  • 00:18:18.210 --> 00:18:19.170
  • JENNIFER, WELCOME.
  • 00:18:19.170 --> 00:18:20.020
  • THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
  • 00:18:20.020 --> 00:18:20.280
  • - JENNIFER PINCKNEY: THANK YOU.
  • 00:18:20.280 --> 00:18:21.290
  • - ERIC: YOU WERE IN THE ROOM
  • 00:18:21.290 --> 00:18:22.260
  • WHEN THIS HORRIBLE THING
  • 00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:23.220
  • - JENNIFER: WELL, I WAS IN THE
  • 00:18:26.290 --> 00:18:28.070
  • PASTOR'S STUDY, NOT THE ACTUAL
  • 00:18:28.070 --> 00:18:30.030
  • ROOM WHERE THE SHOOTING TOOK
  • 00:18:30.030 --> 00:18:30.270
  • PLACE.
  • 00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:33.170
  • I WAS IN THE PASTOR'S STUDY
  • 00:18:33.170 --> 00:18:35.160
  • BEFORE CLEMENTA HAD WALKED
  • 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:36.240
  • AND HE WAS HEADED INTO THE BIBLE
  • 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.030
  • STUDY.
  • 00:18:41.030 --> 00:18:42.140
  • - ERIC: AND THAT'S YOUR
  • 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:43.030
  • HUSBAND?
  • 00:18:43.030 --> 00:18:44.070
  • - JENNIFER: CLEMENTA IS MY
  • 00:18:44.070 --> 00:18:46.290
  • HUSBAND-- WAS MY HUSBAND.
  • 00:18:46.290 --> 00:18:48.240
  • AND I WAS IN THERE WITH OUR THEN
  • 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.160
  • SIX-YEAR-OLD.
  • 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.090
  • HE WALKED IN, AND AFTER WE
  • 00:18:50.090 --> 00:18:52.090
  • TALKED A LITTLE BIT, HE TURNED
  • 00:18:52.090 --> 00:18:54.130
  • THE TELEVISION ON FOR MALANA,
  • 00:18:54.130 --> 00:18:56.180
  • AND THEN HE WALKED INTO THE
  • 00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:57.260
  • BIBLE STUDY.
  • 00:18:57.260 --> 00:18:59.190
  • AND MALANA AND I, WE STAYED IN
  • 00:18:59.190 --> 00:19:01.030
  • THE PASTOR'S STUDY AND BASICALLY
  • 00:19:01.030 --> 00:19:02.190
  • FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE BIBLE
  • 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:06.220
  • STUDY UNTIL I HEARD GUNSHOTS.
  • 00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:10.040
  • - ERIC: AND WHAT DID YOU THINK
  • 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:11.220
  • IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU HEARD
  • 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:13.070
  • GUNSHOTS?
  • 00:19:13.070 --> 00:19:14.270
  • IT DOESN'T SEEM CONCEIVABLE TO
  • 00:19:14.270 --> 00:19:16.010
  • ANYBODY THAT YOU'RE IN A
  • 00:19:16.010 --> 00:19:17.020
  • PASTOR'S STUDY; THERE'S A BIBLE
  • 00:19:17.020 --> 00:19:18.270
  • STUDY GOING ON IN THE NEXT ROOM,
  • 00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:20.080
  • AND THEN YOU HEAR GUNSHOTS.
  • 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:22.020
  • - JENNIFER: AT FIRST, I THOUGHT
  • 00:19:22.020 --> 00:19:23.000
  • IT WAS MAYBE A GENERATOR
  • 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:24.080
  • EXPLODING OR SOMETHIN' LIKE
  • 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:25.090
  • THAT, AND I IMMEDIATELY JUMPED
  • 00:19:25.090 --> 00:19:27.060
  • UP, AND I ACTUALLY RAN TO THE
  • 00:19:27.060 --> 00:19:29.190
  • DOOR, AND I WAS GONNA OPEN IT
  • 00:19:29.190 --> 00:19:31.030
  • AND WALK OUT, AND I PROBABLY
  • 00:19:31.030 --> 00:19:32.190
  • OPENED THE DOOR MAYBE AN INCH,
  • 00:19:32.190 --> 00:19:35.140
  • IF THAT MUCH, AND THEN IT JUST
  • 00:19:35.140 --> 00:19:38.070
  • HIT ME THAT THOSE ARE GUNSHOTS,
  • 00:19:38.070 --> 00:19:40.250
  • AND I QUIETLY CLOSED AND LOCKED
  • 00:19:40.250 --> 00:19:43.140
  • THE DOOR, AND I RAN THROUGH,
  • 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:45.220
  • SNATCHED UP MY DAUGHTER, AND I
  • 00:19:45.220 --> 00:19:47.290
  • RAN THROUGH HIS OFFICE AND INTO
  • 00:19:47.290 --> 00:19:49.180
  • THE SECRETARY'S OFFICE, AND I
  • 00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:52.000
  • SHOVED HER UNDER THE DESK, AND I
  • 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.070
  • WENT TO THAT DOOR, AND I LOCKED
  • 00:19:54.070 --> 00:19:56.120
  • THAT DOOR.
  • 00:19:57.180 --> 00:20:00.180
  • - ERIC: SO YOU KNEW RIGHT AWAY
  • 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:01.100
  • WHAT WAS HAPPENING?
  • 00:20:01.100 --> 00:20:02.050
  • BY NOW YOU KNEW WHAT WAS
  • 00:20:02.050 --> 00:20:02.230
  • HAPPENING?
  • 00:20:02.230 --> 00:20:03.040
  • - JENNIFER: YES.
  • 00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:04.060
  • - ERIC: AND HOW LONG DID THIS
  • 00:20:04.060 --> 00:20:05.140
  • GO ON BEFORE COPS SHOWED UP?
  • 00:20:05.140 --> 00:20:07.170
  • I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE MOST OF
  • 00:20:07.170 --> 00:20:10.160
  • US, YOU HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING,
  • 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.190
  • AND IT'S ALL IN THE PAST TENSE,
  • 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:12.220
  • BUT YOU LIVED THROUGH EVERY
  • 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:13.120
  • MINUTE.
  • 00:20:13.120 --> 00:20:14.030
  • - JENNIFER: IT SEEMED LIKE IT
  • 00:20:14.030 --> 00:20:16.060
  • JUST THE CONSTANT SHOOTING AND
  • 00:20:19.050 --> 00:20:20.250
  • SO FORTH.
  • 00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:22.130
  • IT WAS, JUST, LIKE, "IS IT GONNA
  • 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.200
  • STOP?"
  • 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.160
  • I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE A RUN
  • 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:27.220
  • FOR IT, AND I HAD TOLD MY
  • 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:29.200
  • YOU KNOW, THAT I LOVE HER-- TELL
  • 00:20:31.260 --> 00:20:32.220
  • HER SISTER THAT I LOVED HER
  • 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:34.110
  • BECAUSE HER SISTER, ELIANA, HAD
  • 00:20:34.110 --> 00:20:35.030
  • STAYED HOME WITH GRANDMA, AND SO
  • 00:20:35.030 --> 00:20:36.230
  • I BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:36.230 --> 00:20:38.220
  • "REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS, DO NOT
  • 00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:42.120
  • COME FROM UNDER THIS DESK."
  • 00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:43.050
  • AND BEFORE I COULD
  • 00:20:43.050 --> 00:20:44.170
  • DO ANYTHING,
  • 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:46.270
  • BULLETS STARTED COMIN' THROUGH
  • 00:20:46.270 --> 00:20:49.030
  • THE OFFICE, AND I IMMEDIATELY
  • 00:20:49.030 --> 00:20:50.150
  • LEAPED UNDER THE DESK WITH HER.
  • 00:20:50.290 --> 00:20:53.290
  • - ERIC: AND DID THE GUNMAN COME
  • 00:20:55.010 --> 00:20:58.010
  • INTO THE OFFICE AT ANY POINT?
  • 00:20:58.010 --> 00:20:59.230
  • - JENNIFER: HE WAS STILL
  • 00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:01.210
  • SHOOTING, AND I WAS UNDER THE
  • 00:21:01.210 --> 00:21:04.110
  • DESK WITH MALANA, AND THEN HE--
  • 00:21:04.110 --> 00:21:06.010
  • LIKE I SAID, SHOTS WERE STILL
  • 00:21:07.270 --> 00:21:10.270
  • BEING FIRED, AND THEN HE--
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:14.040
  • APPARENTLY, HE SAID, "I GOTTA
  • 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:19.150
  • DO THIS,"
  • 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:20.240
  • AND I HEARD HE TRIED TO
  • 00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:24.100
  • OPEN THE OFFICE DOOR.
  • 00:21:24.100 --> 00:21:26.210
  • MY BLOOD RAN COLD, AND, YOU
  • 00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:29.040
  • KNOW, HE TURNED THE KNOB
  • 00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:29.290
  • SEVERAL TIMES.
  • 00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:33.090
  • HE COULDN'T GET IN, AND HE
  • 00:21:33.090 --> 00:21:34.220
  • TURNED AROUND, AND HE WALKED OUT
  • 00:21:34.220 --> 00:21:35.220
  • THE DOOR, WALKED OUT OF THE
  • 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:37.060
  • CHURCH.
  • 00:21:37.060 --> 00:21:39.060
  • - ERIC: AT WHAT POINT WAS HE
  • 00:21:39.060 --> 00:21:40.030
  • APPREHENDED?
  • 00:21:40.030 --> 00:21:41.170
  • - JENNIFER: OH, HE WAS LONG
  • 00:21:41.170 --> 00:21:43.260
  • GONE.
  • 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:44.150
  • I WAS STILL UNDER THE DESK.
  • 00:21:44.150 --> 00:21:45.250
  • BY THIS TIME, I HAD TOLD MY
  • 00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:52.170
  • DAUGHTER THAT I WAS GONNA CRAWL
  • 00:21:52.170 --> 00:21:53.220
  • BACK INTO THE PASTOR'S STUDY
  • 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:55.250
  • 'CAUSE I WAS HOPIN' THAT HE WAS
  • 00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:56.180
  • FULLY GONE.
  • 00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:58.060
  • I WAS GONNA CRAWL BACK INTO THE
  • 00:21:58.060 --> 00:21:59.070
  • PASTOR'S STUDY TO GET MY CELL
  • 00:21:59.070 --> 00:22:00.110
  • PHONE, AND I DID, AND I CAME
  • 00:22:00.110 --> 00:22:02.090
  • BACK, AND THEN I CALLED 9-1-1,
  • 00:22:02.090 --> 00:22:04.250
  • AND THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I WAS
  • 00:22:04.250 --> 00:22:07.020
  • ON THE PHONE, I WAS TELLIN' HER
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:09.060
  • BASICALLY WHAT I HEARD AND WHO
  • 00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:11.180
  • WAS IN THE OFFICE WITH ME AND
  • 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:14.260
  • WHERE WE WERE LOCATED, AND THE
  • 00:22:15.050 --> 00:22:18.050
  • ENTIRE TIME SHE WAS JUST TRYIN'
  • 00:22:18.050 --> 00:22:19.060
  • TO KEEP ME CALM AND JUST TRYIN'
  • 00:22:19.060 --> 00:22:21.050
  • TO JUST TALK TO ME IN GENERAL,
  • 00:22:21.050 --> 00:22:23.280
  • AND I FINALLY HEARD THE POLICE
  • 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:26.050
  • OFFICERS OR FIRST RESPONDERS
  • 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:28.090
  • ENTER THE CHURCH.
  • 00:22:28.090 --> 00:22:31.050
  • THEY FIRST SAID, "WE HAVE ONE
  • 00:22:31.050 --> 00:22:33.110
  • RIGHT HERE," WHICH WAS BASICALLY
  • 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:36.140
  • RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR, AND THEY
  • 00:22:36.140 --> 00:22:38.040
  • SAID, "THIS ONE'S ALIVE."
  • 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:41.180
  • AND THEY STARTED WORKIN'
  • 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:42.060
  • ON HIM, AND I KNEW IT
  • 00:22:42.060 --> 00:22:43.160
  • WAS A MALE 'CAUSE I HEARD HIM.
  • 00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:46.210
  • HE GRUNTED ONE OR TWO TIMES.
  • 00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:48.240
  • - ERIC: WHAT-- I'M SORRY.
  • 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.130
  • WHO WAS THIS?
  • 00:22:49.130 --> 00:22:50.200
  • WAS THIS THE MURDERER?
  • 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.070
  • - JENNIFER: NO, THIS WAS ONE OF
  • 00:22:51.070 --> 00:22:52.100
  • THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WAS SHOT.
  • 00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:53.160
  • - ERIC: WAS SHOT BUT-- OKAY.
  • 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.020
  • AND DID HE SURVIVE?
  • 00:22:55.020 --> 00:22:56.150
  • - JENNIFER: NO, HE DID NOT.
  • 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:58.040
  • - ERIC: HE DID NOT SURVIVE?
  • 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:00.220
  • - JENNIFER: NO, HE DID NOT.
  • 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:01.180
  • - ERIC: WHEN DID YOU REALIZE
  • 00:23:01.180 --> 00:23:04.120
  • THAT YOUR HUSBAND HAD BEEN
  • 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:05.090
  • - JENNIFER: WHEN WE LEFT OUT OF
  • 00:23:07.090 --> 00:23:08.010
  • THE CHURCH BECAUSE WE WERE ALL--
  • 00:23:08.010 --> 00:23:08.270
  • THEY HAD TAKEN US TO A HOTEL
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:10.170
  • RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE
  • 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:12.050
  • YOU KNOW, THE SMALL AREA OF THE
  • 00:23:15.020 --> 00:23:17.290
  • CHURCH THAT I ACTUALLY WENT
  • 00:23:17.290 --> 00:23:18.190
  • THROUGH WHEN I SAW THE BLOOD,
  • 00:23:18.190 --> 00:23:19.230
  • THE POOLS OF BLOOD ALL OVER THE
  • 00:23:19.230 --> 00:23:21.130
  • FLOOR AND THE CEILINGS, AND SO
  • 00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:23.030
  • FORTH, I KNEW IT WAS BAD, BUT
  • 00:23:23.030 --> 00:23:24.150
  • THEN I HAD HEARD FELICIA AND
  • 00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:27.280
  • POLLY WHEN THEY WERE TALKIN' ON
  • 00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:32.190
  • THE PHONE, AND THEY WERE CALLIN'
  • 00:23:32.190 --> 00:23:34.000
  • SEVERAL PEOPLE.
  • 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.080
  • YOU KNOW, I HEARD THEM WHEN THEY
  • 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:36.230
  • SAID, "EVERYBODY'S BEEN SHOT.
  • 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:38.260
  • EVERYONE'S DEAD."
  • 00:23:38.260 --> 00:23:40.150
  • AND I KIND OF KNEW THAT WAS THE
  • 00:23:40.150 --> 00:23:41.230
  • CASE BY THAT POINT IN TIME.
  • 00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:43.010
  • I WAS HOLDING MALANA, AND I KNOW
  • 00:23:43.010 --> 00:23:45.020
  • SHE HAD HEARD IT, BUT I WAS
  • 00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:48.150
  • TRYIN' TO SHIELD HER AS MUCH AS
  • 00:23:48.150 --> 00:23:50.170
  • POSSIBLE, AND AFTER A WHILE, I
  • 00:23:50.170 --> 00:23:53.050
  • JUST KIND OF REALIZED THAT,
  • 00:23:53.050 --> 00:23:54.170
  • KNOWING CLEMENTA LIKE I DO, IF
  • 00:23:54.170 --> 00:23:56.130
  • HE HAD BEEN WOUNDED OR IF HE
  • 00:23:56.270 --> 00:23:59.270
  • COULD, YOU KNOW, STILL TALK, HE
  • 00:23:59.270 --> 00:24:01.130
  • WOULD'VE BASICALLY GOT SOME KIND
  • 00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:03.220
  • OF WORD BACK TO ME TO LET ME
  • 00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:05.170
  • KNOW THAT HE WAS ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:24:05.170 --> 00:24:07.180
  • - ERIC: IT'S INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
  • 00:24:07.180 --> 00:24:10.000
  • AS I SAY, THERE'S NO WAY FOR
  • 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:10.260
  • PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
  • 00:24:10.260 --> 00:24:12.130
  • WOULD BE LIKE TO GO THROUGH
  • 00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:14.020
  • THIS, BUT IF IT HASN'T HAPPENED
  • 00:24:14.020 --> 00:24:15.090
  • TO YOU, IT'S VERY HARD TO
  • 00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:16.160
  • PROCESS THIS.
  • 00:24:17.270 --> 00:24:20.270
  • WHAT DO BOTH OF YOU HOPE WILL BE
  • 00:24:20.270 --> 00:24:22.230
  • ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS FILM
  • 00:24:22.230 --> 00:24:23.130
  • - JENNIFER: UNITY, LOVE, PEOPLE
  • 00:24:26.190 --> 00:24:28.130
  • UNDERSTAND THAT LIFE IS TOO
  • 00:24:28.130 --> 00:24:31.040
  • - ERIC: "TO GET RIGHT WITH
  • 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:36.040
  • GOD."
  • 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:38.040
  • THE STORY, THE FORGIVENESS
  • 00:24:38.040 --> 00:24:40.180
  • THAT I HEAR, TO ME,
  • 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:41.100
  • IT PROVES GOD.
  • 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:41.230
  • IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, I
  • 00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:42.180
  • WOULD SAY, "I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW
  • 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:43.170
  • THESE HUMAN BEINGS-- THEY'RE NOT
  • 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:45.000
  • CRAZY.
  • 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:45.130
  • HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY HAVE THIS
  • 00:24:45.130 --> 00:24:46.050
  • IDEA OF FORGIVENESS?
  • 00:24:46.190 --> 00:24:49.190
  • IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE HUMAN
  • 00:24:49.190 --> 00:24:50.280
  • SENSE."
  • 00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:53.000
  • BUT WHEN YOU SAY,
  • 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:53.190
  • "UNITY," YOU MEAN RACIAL UNITY?
  • 00:24:53.190 --> 00:24:54.110
  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
  • 00:24:54.110 --> 00:24:56.010
  • - JENNIFER: RACIALLY, JUST, ALL
  • 00:24:56.010 --> 00:24:57.050
  • OF US, WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
  • 00:24:57.050 --> 00:24:57.270
  • WE NEED TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
  • 00:24:57.270 --> 00:25:00.150
  • THERE'S TOO MUCH HATE IN
  • 00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:01.090
  • THE WORLD.
  • 00:25:01.090 --> 00:25:03.010
  • - ERIC: WELL, RIGHT, BUT THERE
  • 00:25:03.010 --> 00:25:03.280
  • ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY--
  • 00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:06.240
  • IN OTHER WORDS, TO ME, THERE ARE
  • 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.180
  • A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STUCK
  • 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:08.290
  • ON THE JUSTICE ISSUE, AND THEY
  • 00:25:08.290 --> 00:25:10.000
  • DON'T WANT THE HATE TO END
  • 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:11.080
  • BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE, IF THE
  • 00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:11.290
  • HATE ENDS, THEY GAVE UP.
  • 00:25:11.290 --> 00:25:13.220
  • THEY DON'T BELIEVE JUSTICE CAN
  • 00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:14.180
  • HAPPEN.
  • 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:15.130
  • THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO--
  • 00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:16.040
  • YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT A DIFFERENT
  • 00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:17.150
  • WAY.
  • 00:25:17.150 --> 00:25:19.260
  • HOW IS YOUR WAY, IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:25:19.260 --> 00:25:22.180
  • MIND MY ASKING, DIFFERENT THAN
  • 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:23.250
  • THE PEOPLE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:24.260
  • "I WILL--"
  • 00:25:24.260 --> 00:25:25.250
  • YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S
  • 00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:26.180
  • TAKING A KNEE AT A FOOTBALL GAME
  • 00:25:26.180 --> 00:25:28.050
  • OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THEY SAY
  • 00:25:28.050 --> 00:25:29.120
  • THAT "I NEED TO LET PEOPLE
  • 00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:31.260
  • REMEMBER THE DIVISION" AS
  • 00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:34.010
  • OPPOSED TO WANTING HEALING AND
  • 00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:35.270
  • UNITY.
  • 00:25:35.270 --> 00:25:36.290
  • THEY DON'T SEEM READY FOR THAT
  • 00:25:36.290 --> 00:25:37.200
  • YET.
  • 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.060
  • AT WHAT POINT ARE WE READY FOR
  • 00:25:38.060 --> 00:25:40.140
  • SOMETHIN' LIKE THAT?
  • 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:41.160
  • - ROSE SIMMONS: WELL, I THINK,
  • 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.160
  • YOU KNOW, HATE, BITTERNESS, ALL
  • 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.120
  • OF THOSE THINGS HAVE
  • 00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:45.120
  • AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO EXIST,
  • 00:25:49.090 --> 00:25:50.010
  • THEY HAVE TO BE FED, AND THE
  • 00:25:50.010 --> 00:25:52.000
  • FOOD COMES FROM OUR HEARTS, AND
  • 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.240
  • I THINK THAT, WHEN THEY ALLOW
  • 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.010
  • THESE GIANTS TO GROW
  • 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:59.190
  • YOU KNOW IT JUST BREEDS MORE
  • 00:26:03.060 --> 00:26:04.180
  • HATE, MORE BITTERNESS.
  • 00:26:04.180 --> 00:26:06.020
  • SO I AGREE WITH JENNIFER.
  • 00:26:06.020 --> 00:26:07.280
  • I THINK THAT THE WORLD IS READY
  • 00:26:08.260 --> 00:26:11.260
  • FOR THE FILM "EMANUEL," AND I
  • 00:26:11.260 --> 00:26:13.170
  • THINK THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE
  • 00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:16.000
  • THAT NEED THIS PLACE, A FIRM
  • 00:26:17.250 --> 00:26:20.250
  • FOUNDATION TO STAND ON, AND I
  • 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:23.080
  • THINK "EMANUEL" GIVES THAT.
  • 00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:24.170
  • IT GIVES A SENSE OF HOPE BECAUSE
  • 00:26:24.190 --> 00:26:27.190
  • YOU WILL LEAVE THINKING THAT THE
  • 00:26:27.190 --> 00:26:29.150
  • WORLD ACTUALLY HAS A CHANCE, AND
  • 00:26:30.270 --> 00:26:33.270
  • I'M SO PROUD OF IT.
  • 00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:36.160
  • I'M PROUD OF THE PROJECT.
  • 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.080
  • - ERIC: IT'S-- I MEAN, LISTEN,
  • 00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:39.000
  • I SAY IT OUTSPOKENLY AS A
  • 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.210
  • CHRISTIAN.
  • 00:26:39.210 --> 00:26:40.100
  • I REALLY DO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE
  • 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:42.060
  • ONLY ANSWER TO THE DIVISIONS
  • 00:26:42.060 --> 00:26:43.210
  • THAT WE HAVE.
  • 00:26:43.210 --> 00:26:45.100
  • THERE IS NO OTHER ANSWER, AND SO
  • 00:26:45.100 --> 00:26:46.210
  • THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO BE
  • 00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.260
  • LOUD ABOUT IT TO LET PEOPLE
  • 00:26:47.260 --> 00:26:49.280
  • KNOW, "LISTEN, THERE IS AN
  • 00:26:49.280 --> 00:26:51.050
  • ANSWER: 'THERE'S NO
  • 00:26:51.050 --> 00:26:54.010
  • OTHER ANSWER.'"
  • 00:26:54.010 --> 00:26:54.190
  • YOU HAVE LIVED IT.
  • 00:26:54.190 --> 00:26:56.040
  • THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST SUCH AN
  • 00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:56.250
  • HONOR TO HAVE YOU ON THIS
  • 00:26:56.250 --> 00:26:57.260
  • PROGRAM BECAUSE TO LIVE THROUGH
  • 00:26:57.260 --> 00:26:59.060
  • THIS AND TO COME OUT THE OTHER
  • 00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:01.000
  • SIDE AND SAY, "I STILL BELIEVE
  • 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.010
  • IN FORGIVENESS AND PRAYING FOR
  • 00:27:02.010 --> 00:27:03.110
  • MY ENEMIES," YOU KNOW, IT SPEAKS
  • 00:27:03.110 --> 00:27:05.090
  • MUCH MORE LOUDLY THAN IF I SAY
  • 00:27:05.090 --> 00:27:06.060
  • IT.
  • 00:27:06.060 --> 00:27:08.100
  • SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF
  • 00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:09.270
  • THE FILM, AND THANKS FOR BEING
  • 00:27:09.270 --> 00:27:11.070
  • WILLING TO COME ON THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:27:11.070 --> 00:27:11.290
  • GOD BLESS YOU.
  • 00:27:11.290 --> 00:27:13.030
  • - BOTH: THANK YOU.
  • 00:27:13.030 --> 00:27:14.100
  • - JENNIFER: GOD BLESS YOU AS
  • 00:27:14.100 --> 00:27:15.010
  • WELL.
  • 00:27:15.010 --> 00:27:17.030
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:27:17.030 --> 00:27:18.100
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:19.260
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T--
  • 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:20.250
  • CAN'T STOP,
  • 00:27:20.250 --> 00:27:22.050
  • - JOHN COOPER: ROCK AND ROLL IS
  • 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.160
  • OUTLAWED, DRUMS OUTLAWED,
  • 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.060
  • AND I'M PAYIN' 'EM BACK PRETTY
  • 00:27:31.030 --> 00:27:32.010
  • GOOD NOW.
  • 00:27:32.010 --> 00:27:32.210
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:27:32.210 --> 00:27:33.110
  • I GOT ALL THAT GOIN' ON.
  • 00:27:33.110 --> 00:27:35.110
  • - REMI ADELEKE: HE KNEW HIS
  • 00:27:35.110 --> 00:27:36.010
  • AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT HE WAS
  • 00:27:38.010 --> 00:27:38.230
  • PROTECTING ME.
  • 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:39.060
  • - ERIC: PROTECTING YOU FROM
  • 00:27:39.060 --> 00:27:39.260
  • YOURSELF?
  • 00:27:39.260 --> 00:27:40.070
  • - REMI: YEAH.
  • 00:27:40.070 --> 00:27:40.210
  • - ERIC: BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:27:40.210 --> 00:27:41.130
  • IT IS.
  • 00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:41.280
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:42.240
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.150
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:43.150 --> 00:27:44.290
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:44.290 --> 00:27:47.070
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:47.070 --> 00:27:49.170
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:51.210
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:53.280
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:27:53.280 --> 00:27:56.190