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October 4, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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  • [SMOOCH]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [BING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [PLOP]
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  • [WHOOSH]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - MALE: HEY.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [BOINK]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [CRASH]
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  • [CHEERS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: HEY THERE,
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  • FOLKS, THIS IS "THE ERIC
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  • METAXAS SHOW," SO I KIND OF HAVE
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  • TO BE HERE, BUT TODAY I'M HAPPY
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  • TO BE HERE 'CAUSE I'M TALKING TO
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  • JONATHAN CAHN, WHO IS WITH US IN
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  • THE STUDIO.
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  • JONATHAN, WELCOME BACK.
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  • - JONATHAN CAHN: GREAT
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  • TO BE HERE.
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  • - ERIC: ARE YOU EVER
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  • GONNA SHAVE?
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  • - JONATHAN: NO, NO.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY.
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  • - JONATHAN: I CAME TO THE
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  • LORD-- THE BEARD CAME.
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  • - ERIC: IS THAT TRUE?
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  • - JONATHAN: YES.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ERIC: THE BEARD, IT JUST
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  • CAME?
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  • - ERIC: 'CAUSE MY BEARD KEEPS
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  • TRYING TO GROW, AND FOR SOME
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  • REASON, IT NEVER GETS
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  • PAST THE RAZOR.
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  • ALL RIGHT, NOW, LISTEN, I'VE GOT
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  • SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
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  • YOU HAVE A NEW BOOK OUT,
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  • CALLED "THE ORACLE."
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  • A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • KNOW YOUR BOOK "THE HARBINGER,"
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  • "THE BOOK OF MYSTERIES."
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  • I'M TRYING TO THINK,
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  • WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE--
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  • "THE PARADIGM"?
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  • - JONATHAN: YES.
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  • - ERIC: YOU WRITE ABOUT THINGS
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  • FROM THE BIBLE AND HOW THEY
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  • RELATE TO CURRENT EVENTS, SO YOU
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  • KNOW AND I KNOW THAT IT'S VERY
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  • EASY TO GET THAT WRONG.
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  • I CAN THINK OF A HOST OF
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  • EXAMPLES, GOING BACK THROUGH THE
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  • YEARS, OF PEOPLE SAYING, LIKE,
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  • "THIS IS THE SUMMER OF DESTINY
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  • AND THE TEN-HEADED MONSTER OF
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  • THE EUROPEAN UNION AND
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  • DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DAHHH,"
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  • AND YOU KNOW?
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  • IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NOTHING
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  • THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU
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  • WANT TO KNOW "IS THIS REAL?
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  • IS THIS TRUE?
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  • AND ARE WE AS PEOPLE OF FAITH
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  • SUPPOSED TO READ THE BIBLE THIS
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  • WAY?"
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  • SO I WANNA GO BACK.
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  • BEFORE WE GET INTO THE BOOK
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  • "THE ORACLE," HOW DO YOU GET TO
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  • WHERE YOU ARE TODAY?
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  • WHERE DID YOU GROW UP?
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  • I MEAN, WE'VE COVERED THIS IN
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  • PREVIOUS SHOWS, BUT I'M ALWAYS
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  • CURIOUS TO GET PEOPLE'S
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  • BACKGROUND AND HOW DO YOU GET TO
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  • BE THE PERSON YOU ARE.
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  • - JONATHAN: OKAY, WELL, I'M
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  • JEWISH.
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  • MY FATHER ESCAPED HITLER.
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  • - ERIC: WITH A NAME LIKE
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  • JONATHAN CAHN-- A JEW?
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  • - JONATHAN: I THINK SO.
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  • - ERIC: COME ON, REALLY?
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  • - JONATHAN: I THINK SO.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY.
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  • - JONATHAN: AND GREW UP, WENT
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  • TO SYNAGOGUE.
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  • - ERIC: YOUR FATHER ACTUALLY
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  • WAS IN GERMANY?
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  • - JONATHAN: ESCAPED AS A KID
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  • FROM GERMANY, YEAH.
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  • HE GREW UP IN GERMANY.
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  • AND WHEN I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD,
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  • I QUESTIONED WHAT I WAS LEARNING
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  • IN THE SYNAGOGUE.
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  • I DIDN'T SEE THE GOD OF THE
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  • BIBLE IN THE SYNAGOGUE.
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  • - ERIC: WHAT PART OF THE
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  • COUNTRY DID YOU GROW UP?
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  • - JONATHAN: NEW YORK.
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  • NEW YORK STATE, YOU KNOW.
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  • AND ONCE I QUESTIONED IT, THAT
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  • WAS IT.
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  • I BECAME AN ATHEIST.
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  • SO I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD; I WAS
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  • AN ATHEIST.
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  • THAT LASTED TILL I WAS AROUND
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  • 12 OR 13.
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  • I SAID, "WELL, ATHEISM DOESN'T
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  • WORK.
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  • THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING."
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  • SO I STARTED GETTING BOOKS ON
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  • EVERYTHING: SCIENCE, RELIGION,
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  • THE OCCULT, EVERYTHING I COULD,
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  • AND ONE DAY, I, BY ACCIDENT,
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  • PICKED UP A BOOK.
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  • IT THOUGHT IT WAS A UFO BOOK.
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  • IT WAS "THE LATE GREAT PLANET
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  • EARTH," BY HAL LINDSEY.
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  • - ERIC: OOH.
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  • - JONATHAN: AND SO GOD TRICKED
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  • ME WITH THAT, AND I SAID, "WOW,
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  • ALL ABOUT THE PROPHECIES," THAT
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  • I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
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  • THE BIBLE SAID--
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  • - ERIC: I THINK THE TYPEFACE
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  • MADE IT LOOK LIKE
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  • ERICH VON DÄNIKEN, RIGHT?
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  • - JONATHAN: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
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  • - ERIC: COME ON, PEOPLE WHO
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  • KNOW THOSE BOOKS, THEY KNOW.
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  • IT LOOKED JUST LIKE "CHARIOTS
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  • OF FIRE"-- I MEAN-- I'M SORRY--
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  • "CHARIOTS OF THE GODS," BY
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  • ERICH VON DÄNIKEN, AND SO YOU
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  • PICK IT UP, AND YOU OPEN IT UP,
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  • AND IT'S NOT A BOOK ON UFOS.
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  • - JONATHAN: NO, I THINK GOD
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  • KIND OF GOT ME THROUGH THE BACK
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  • DOOR BECAUSE I'M READING THESE
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  • OTHER BOOKS.
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  • THEY ALL MENTION JESUS,
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  • YOU KNOW.
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  • EVERYTHING MENTIONS JESUS, YOU
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  • KNOW, SO I SAID, "OKAY,"
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  • YOU KNOW, SO IT OPENED ME UP.
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  • SO I STARTED READING THE BIBLE
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  • NOW, AND I SAW THE PROPHECIES OF
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  • OUR MESSIAH, BORN IN BETHLEHEM,
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  • LIGHT OF THE GENTILES, YOU KNOW,
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  • DIED FOR OUR SINS, AND ALL THESE
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  • THINGS THAT WERE CATHOLIC WERE
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  • IN MY BIBLE.
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  • I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, "HOW'D THEY
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  • GET IN MY BIBLE?"
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  • SO I STARTED BELIEVING.
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  • I'M TELLIN' MY FRIENDS ABOUT IT.
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  • I'M PREACHING.
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  • I'M NOT SAVED.
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  • I'M WINNING PEOPLE TO THE LORD.
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  • - ERIC: YOU MEAN-- WAIT A
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  • MINUTE.
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  • THIS IS REALLY CRAZY.
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  • SO YOU'RE A TEENAGER, AND YOU'RE
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  • A VORACIOUS READER, AND SOMEHOW
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  • YOU START SEEING THINGS IN THE
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  • BIBLE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
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  • IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, BUT AT THE
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  • SAME TIME, YOU'RE NOT SURE WHERE
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  • YOU STAND IN TERMS OF WHO GOD IS
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  • OR WHATEVER?
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  • - JONATHAN: WELL, I STARTED,
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  • BUT MORE AND MORE, I BELIEVED IN
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  • MY HEAD, BUT I DID NOT WANNA
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  • LIVE IT, SO I'M NOT LIVING IT,
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  • YOU KNOW.
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  • - ERIC: WERE YOUR
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  • PARENTS UPSET?
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  • I MEAN, IF YOUR FATHER ESCAPED
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  • THE HOLOCAUST, A LOT OF TIMES
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  • JEWISH PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, HAVE
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  • REAL ANTIPATHY TOWARD
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  • CHRISTIANS, AND SO WHAT WAS IT
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  • LIKE FOR YOU AS A KID, SUDDENLY,
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  • - JONATHAN: WELL, WELL, WHAT I
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  • DID, AT ONE POINT, I SAID TO MY
  • 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:16.260
  • PARENTS, I SAID, "LISTEN, LET
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  • ME-- I'M GONNA READ YOU
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  • SOME THINGS.
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  • TELL ME WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
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  • I'M GONNA READ YOU SOME THINGS
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  • FROM THE BIBLE.
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  • TELL ME IF IT'S THE
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  • TELL ME WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT
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  • AND I'LL SHOW YOU."
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  • SO I READ ALL THESE THINGS.
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  • THEY WERE ALL-- AND AFTER ALL
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  • THIS, "THAT'S JESUS, THAT'S
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  • JESUS, THAT'S JESUS."
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  • I SAID, "OKAY, EVERYTHING
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  • I READ WAS FROM THE
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  • HEBREW SCRIPTURES,
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  • OUR BIBLE," YOU KNOW.
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  • MY MOTHER SAID, "WELL, THAT
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  • DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING,"
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  • YOU KNOW?
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  • SO-- BUT WHEN I TOLD THEM--
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  • BUT, SEE, THE THING IS THAT
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  • I DIDN'T TELL THEM I WAS
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  • COMING TO THE LORD 'CAUSE I
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  • WAS TRYING NOT TO COME TO
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  • THE LORD BECAUSE I THOUGHT,
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  • IF I START FOLLOWING HIM,
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  • I'M GONNA JOIN A MONASTERY,
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  • AND THAT'S THE END OF MY LIFE.
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  • - ERIC: NOW, WHERE WERE YOUR
  • 00:04:44.170 --> 00:04:45.080
  • PARENTS IN TERMS OF FAITH?
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  • WERE THEY SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR
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  • JEWISH FAITH, OR THEY
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  • WERE CULTURAL?
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  • - JONATHAN: THEY'RE SERIOUS
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  • ABOUT BEING JEWISH, BUT NOT
  • 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:51.100
  • ABOUT THE FAITH.
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  • THEY WERE BOTH SCIENTISTS.
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  • THEY BOTH WERE VERY SECULAR, YOU
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  • KNOW, BUT THEY SENT ME TO HEBREW
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  • SCHOOL, YOU KNOW?
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  • SO THE THING IS THAT, SO,
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  • FINALLY, I KNEW I HAD TO GIVE MY
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  • LIFE TO THE LORD.
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  • I KNEW I HAD TO FOLLOW HIM, BUT
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  • I DIDN'T WANT TO, SO I MADE A
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  • DEAL WITH GOD, WHICH IS VERY
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  • JEWISH.
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  • I SAID, "LORD, IF YOU GIVE ME A
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  • LONG LIFE, I'LL ACCEPT YOU WHEN
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  • I'M ON MY DEATHBED."
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  • SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS,
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  • RIGHT AFTER I SAID THAT,
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  • I ALMOST GOT KILLED TWICE.
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  • THE SECOND TIME, I'M HEADING TO
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  • A TRAIN TRACK--
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  • - ERIC: GOD SAYS, "YOU WANNA BE
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  • WISE WITH ME, YOUNG MAN?
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  • I'LL GIVE YA A DEATHBED
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  • EXPERIENCE, HUH, HUH?"
  • 00:05:21.130 --> 00:05:22.100
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:05:22.100 --> 00:05:23.080
  • - JONATHAN: THAT'S EXACTLY--
  • 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:23.290
  • HE MOVED IT UP.
  • 00:05:23.290 --> 00:05:24.130
  • SO I LITERALLY-- SO I'M HEADING
  • 00:05:24.130 --> 00:05:25.230
  • TO A TRAIN TRACK AT NIGHT.
  • 00:05:25.230 --> 00:05:27.100
  • I SEE THERE'S A LIGHT.
  • 00:05:27.100 --> 00:05:29.010
  • IT'S A LIGHT.
  • 00:05:29.010 --> 00:05:29.200
  • IT'S THE TRAIN, BUT OTHER
  • 00:05:29.200 --> 00:05:30.090
  • CARS ARE CROSSING.
  • 00:05:30.090 --> 00:05:31.020
  • THERE WAS NO PROTECTION.
  • 00:05:31.020 --> 00:05:31.200
  • I SAID, "LET ME JUST CHECK."
  • 00:05:31.200 --> 00:05:32.100
  • I LOOK.
  • 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:33.060
  • IT'S A TRAIN, BUT I'M ON THE
  • 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:33.260
  • TRACK, AND I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE
  • 00:05:33.260 --> 00:05:35.290
  • IT-- 'CAUSE IT WAS ALL
  • 00:05:35.290 --> 00:05:36.190
  • DANGEROUS.
  • 00:05:36.190 --> 00:05:38.010
  • PEOPLE HAD BEEN KILLED THERE.
  • 00:05:38.010 --> 00:05:39.010
  • I SAID, "LET ME JUST BACK UP TO
  • 00:05:39.010 --> 00:05:39.230
  • BE SAFE," BUT THERE'S NOW CARS
  • 00:05:39.230 --> 00:05:41.010
  • IN BACK ME, HEADLIGHTS, SO I
  • 00:05:41.010 --> 00:05:42.110
  • JUST BACK UP ABOUT A FOOT, BUT I
  • 00:05:42.110 --> 00:05:43.220
  • THINK I'M JUST EXTRA SAFE.
  • 00:05:43.220 --> 00:05:44.220
  • I'M STILL IN THE PATH OF
  • 00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:45.290
  • THE TRAIN.
  • 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:46.200
  • THE TRAIN COMES, SMASHES
  • 00:05:46.200 --> 00:05:48.030
  • INTO MY CAR.
  • 00:05:48.030 --> 00:05:50.000
  • THE CAR GOES UP LIKE
  • 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:50.190
  • ALUMINUM FOIL.
  • 00:05:50.190 --> 00:05:51.230
  • THE ONLY THING I COULD DO WAS
  • 00:05:51.230 --> 00:05:52.210
  • CALL OUT TO GOD.
  • 00:05:52.210 --> 00:05:53.270
  • I SAID, "GOD," I CALLED OUT--
  • 00:05:53.270 --> 00:05:55.110
  • - ERIC: WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:05:55.110 --> 00:05:55.290
  • YOU'RE DRIVING?
  • 00:05:55.290 --> 00:05:56.130
  • - JONATHAN: I'M WAITING
  • 00:05:56.130 --> 00:05:57.120
  • FOR THE TRAIN.
  • 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.020
  • - ERIC: HOW OLD ARE YOU?
  • 00:05:59.020 --> 00:05:59.210
  • - JONATHAN: I'M 19.
  • 00:05:59.210 --> 00:06:00.090
  • - ERIC: YOU'RE IN A CAR, AND
  • 00:06:00.090 --> 00:06:01.000
  • THE CAR IS HIT?
  • 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:02.100
  • - JONATHAN: BY THE TRAIN.
  • 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:04.160
  • - ERIC: SERIOUSLY, YOU ARE 19
  • 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.030
  • YEARS OLD, AND THE CAR LITERALLY
  • 00:06:06.030 --> 00:06:07.140
  • GETS HIT?
  • 00:06:07.140 --> 00:06:09.120
  • I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE
  • 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.130
  • MOMENTUM AND THE WEIGHT
  • 00:06:10.130 --> 00:06:11.290
  • OF THIS TRAIN--
  • 00:06:11.290 --> 00:06:13.060
  • - JONATHAN: YES, IT WAS LIKE
  • 00:06:13.060 --> 00:06:14.210
  • ALUMINUM FOIL IS WHAT IT WAS.
  • 00:06:14.210 --> 00:06:16.120
  • GOES UP.
  • 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.020
  • I CALL OUT TO GOD.
  • 00:06:18.020 --> 00:06:19.080
  • THE CAR IS DESTROYED.
  • 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:22.000
  • I DON'T GET A SCRATCH.
  • 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:23.270
  • MADE THE HEADLINES, JUST THE
  • 00:06:23.270 --> 00:06:24.240
  • WHOLE THING, SO I SAID,
  • 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:25.130
  • "OKAY, GOD."
  • 00:06:25.130 --> 00:06:26.030
  • I SAID THIS: I SAID,
  • 00:06:26.030 --> 00:06:27.010
  • "CAN WE RENEGOTIATE?"
  • 00:06:27.010 --> 00:06:28.010
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:06:28.010 --> 00:06:29.260
  • AND SO I SAID, "HERE'S
  • 00:06:29.260 --> 00:06:30.130
  • THE NEW DEAL.
  • 00:06:30.130 --> 00:06:31.050
  • I'LL ACCEPT YOU WHEN I TURN 20.
  • 00:06:31.050 --> 00:06:32.280
  • JUST DON'T KILL ME UNTIL THEN."
  • 00:06:32.290 --> 00:06:35.290
  • AND SO IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS
  • 00:06:35.290 --> 00:06:37.250
  • AWAY, AND ON MY 20TH BIRTHDAY,
  • 00:06:37.250 --> 00:06:40.110
  • LIKE A MAN WHOSE CONTRACT HAD
  • 00:06:40.110 --> 00:06:41.170
  • RUN OUT, I SAID, "OKAY,
  • 00:06:41.170 --> 00:06:43.280
  • I GAVE MY WORD."
  • 00:06:43.280 --> 00:06:45.210
  • I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET SAVED,
  • 00:06:45.210 --> 00:06:46.190
  • YOU KNOW, BUT I REMEMBER,
  • 00:06:46.190 --> 00:06:47.140
  • IN HEBREW SCHOOL,
  • 00:06:47.140 --> 00:06:49.030
  • MOSES MET GOD ON A MOUNTAIN,
  • 00:06:49.030 --> 00:06:50.210
  • ELIJAH, SO I FOUND A MOUNTAIN.
  • 00:06:50.210 --> 00:06:53.080
  • I WENT UP TO THE MOUNTAIN, AND
  • 00:06:53.080 --> 00:06:55.020
  • ON THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN,
  • 00:06:55.020 --> 00:06:56.060
  • I KNEELED DOWN ON A ROCK,
  • 00:06:56.060 --> 00:06:56.250
  • AND I GAVE MY LIFE
  • 00:06:56.250 --> 00:06:57.100
  • TO THE LORD ON MY
  • 00:06:57.100 --> 00:06:57.250
  • 20TH BIRTHDAY.
  • 00:06:57.250 --> 00:06:58.110
  • - ERIC: AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU
  • 00:06:58.110 --> 00:06:59.020
  • GAVE YOUR LIFE TO THE LORD,
  • 00:06:59.020 --> 00:06:59.290
  • OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TALKIN'
  • 00:06:59.290 --> 00:07:00.190
  • ABOUT GOD--
  • 00:07:00.190 --> 00:07:01.110
  • - JONATHAN: JESUS.
  • 00:07:01.110 --> 00:07:01.270
  • - ERIC: -- BUT, FOR YOU, AT
  • 00:07:01.270 --> 00:07:02.170
  • THAT TIME, IT WAS JESUS?
  • 00:07:02.170 --> 00:07:04.090
  • IT WAS NOT JUST GOD OF THE
  • 00:07:04.090 --> 00:07:05.250
  • OLD TESTAMENT?
  • 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:06.210
  • - JONATHAN: OH, YEAH, NO, I
  • 00:07:06.210 --> 00:07:07.160
  • KNEW IT.
  • 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:08.110
  • - ERIC: YOU SAID THAT "THIS
  • 00:07:08.110 --> 00:07:09.010
  • GOD-- JESUS IS GOD"?
  • 00:07:09.010 --> 00:07:09.230
  • - JONATHAN: OH, I KNEW IT.
  • 00:07:09.230 --> 00:07:10.160
  • - ERIC: SO YOU HAD COME TO THIS
  • 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:11.140
  • MENTALLY, BUT YOU JUST WEREN'T
  • 00:07:11.140 --> 00:07:12.150
  • READY TO WANT TO
  • 00:07:12.150 --> 00:07:13.100
  • LIVE IT PUBLICLY?
  • 00:07:13.100 --> 00:07:14.120
  • - JONATHAN: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:15.140
  • I DIDN'T WANT TO, AND IF IT
  • 00:07:15.140 --> 00:07:16.150
  • WASN'T FOR-- YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
  • 00:07:16.150 --> 00:07:17.180
  • SAYS JEWS DEMAND SIGNS.
  • 00:07:17.180 --> 00:07:18.120
  • I NEEDED A TRAIN.
  • 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:19.250
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:07:19.250 --> 00:07:20.260
  • AND SO IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT
  • 00:07:20.260 --> 00:07:21.160
  • TRAIN, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T KNOW
  • 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:22.110
  • THE LORD TODAY.
  • 00:07:22.110 --> 00:07:22.290
  • I WOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING HIM,
  • 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:24.070
  • SO I THANK GOD FOR THAT TRAIN.
  • 00:07:24.070 --> 00:07:25.210
  • - ERIC: I MEAN, THAT IS TRULY--
  • 00:07:25.210 --> 00:07:26.160
  • THAT IS SCARY AND INSANE--
  • 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.040
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.200
  • -- AND BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:07:30.200 --> 00:07:31.180
  • - JONATHAN: YES, YEAH.
  • 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:32.120
  • - ERIC: WOW, OKAY.
  • 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.040
  • - JONATHAN: SO THAT'S
  • 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:34.210
  • HOW IT HAPPENED.
  • 00:07:34.210 --> 00:07:35.050
  • - ERIC: SO YOU CAME TO
  • 00:07:35.050 --> 00:07:35.230
  • FAITH DRAMATICALLY.
  • 00:07:35.230 --> 00:07:36.090
  • NOW, DID YOUR PARENTS GET UPSET
  • 00:07:36.090 --> 00:07:37.010
  • WITH YOU?
  • 00:07:37.010 --> 00:07:38.150
  • - JONATHAN: YES, YES.
  • 00:07:38.150 --> 00:07:39.050
  • - ERIC: I CAN IMAGINE THAT THEY
  • 00:07:39.050 --> 00:07:40.020
  • - JONATHAN: YEAH, WHEN I TOLD
  • 00:07:42.200 --> 00:07:43.110
  • MY FATHER, I SAID, "WELL, WHAT'S
  • 00:07:43.110 --> 00:07:44.030
  • YOUR REACTION?"
  • 00:07:44.030 --> 00:07:44.170
  • HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
  • 00:07:44.170 --> 00:07:45.050
  • HE SAID, "I'M CATATONIC."
  • 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:45.240
  • YOU KNOW, "I CAN'T--"
  • 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:46.110
  • THAT IT'S IT,
  • 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:47.000
  • IT'S OVER.
  • 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:47.180
  • THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE WORD
  • 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:51.000
  • "JESUS," BUT THEY LIKED THE
  • 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.110
  • EFFECT OF JESUS IN MY LIFE, SO,
  • 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:53.060
  • IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE
  • 00:07:53.060 --> 00:07:54.280
  • EVEN PROUD OF WHAT GOD DID
  • 00:07:54.280 --> 00:07:56.050
  • 'CAUSE THEN HE STARTED CHANGING
  • 00:07:56.050 --> 00:07:57.100
  • ME, YOU KNOW, AND THEY LIKED THE
  • 00:07:57.100 --> 00:07:58.020
  • PRESENCE OF JESUS--
  • 00:07:58.020 --> 00:08:00.120
  • JUST THE NAME THEY HAVE
  • 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:01.240
  • A PROBLEM WITH.
  • 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:02.130
  • - ERIC: WHAT WAS IT ABOUT YOU
  • 00:08:02.130 --> 00:08:03.040
  • THAT THEY COULD SEE DIFFERENT?
  • 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:04.230
  • - JONATHAN: I BECAME A BETTER
  • 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:05.140
  • PERSON, NICER.
  • 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:07.080
  • I BECAME-- YOU KNOW, I WASN'T
  • 00:08:07.080 --> 00:08:08.120
  • INTO THINGS THAT I WAS INTO
  • 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:09.110
  • AS A TEENAGER.
  • 00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:10.160
  • I GAVE IT UP.
  • 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:11.180
  • THEY SAW ME MINISTERING TO THE
  • 00:08:11.180 --> 00:08:14.170
  • HOMELESS IN NEW YORK CITY AND
  • 00:08:14.170 --> 00:08:15.240
  • MINISTERING TO PEOPLE AND TRYING
  • 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.250
  • TO BLESS PEOPLE AND TEACH
  • 00:08:17.250 --> 00:08:18.250
  • PEOPLE, AND THEY SAW MY LIFE
  • 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:21.230
  • BECOME THAT.
  • 00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:22.150
  • - ERIC: WOW, DO YOU
  • 00:08:22.150 --> 00:08:23.010
  • HAVE SIBLINGS?
  • 00:08:23.010 --> 00:08:24.000
  • - JONATHAN: YEAH, I HAVE TWO
  • 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:24.210
  • OLDER SISTERS.
  • 00:08:24.210 --> 00:08:25.210
  • I WAS THE BABY.
  • 00:08:25.210 --> 00:08:27.050
  • - ERIC: AND WERE THEY FREAKED
  • 00:08:27.050 --> 00:08:27.260
  • OUT BY THIS?
  • 00:08:27.260 --> 00:08:28.200
  • - JONATHAN: NOT AS MUCH AS MY
  • 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:29.110
  • PARENTS, YOU KNOW, BUT "OH,
  • 00:08:29.110 --> 00:08:30.080
  • OKAY," YOU KNOW,
  • 00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:32.000
  • "THAT'S INTERESTING.
  • 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:32.160
  • IT'S A DIFFERENT THING,
  • 00:08:32.160 --> 00:08:33.100
  • YOU KNOW, BUT, YEAH,
  • 00:08:33.100 --> 00:08:34.130
  • BUT ALSO THEY WERE KIND OF
  • 00:08:34.130 --> 00:08:35.220
  • LIKE, "HM, OKAY, WHAT'S
  • 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:36.110
  • HAPPENING WITH JONNY?"
  • 00:08:36.110 --> 00:08:38.050
  • YOU KNOW, "WHAT'S HAPPENING
  • 00:08:38.050 --> 00:08:38.250
  • WITH HIS--"
  • 00:08:38.250 --> 00:08:40.190
  • - ERIC: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, FROM
  • 00:08:40.190 --> 00:08:41.190
  • THE BEGINNING, I MEAN, HAVING
  • 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:42.100
  • THIS EXPERIENCE OF READING HAL
  • 00:08:42.100 --> 00:08:43.010
  • LINDSEY, YOU HAD A CURIOSITY
  • 00:08:43.010 --> 00:08:44.080
  • ABOUT THE PROPHETIC, ABOUT THIS
  • 00:08:45.170 --> 00:08:48.170
  • IDEA THAT THINGS IN THE BIBLE
  • 00:08:48.170 --> 00:08:50.230
  • CAN TELL US ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
  • 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:52.030
  • ON NOW AND EVEN IN THE FUTURE.
  • 00:08:52.030 --> 00:08:53.110
  • - JONATHAN: YEAH, I WASN'T
  • 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:54.100
  • SEEKING FOR THAT.
  • 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:55.240
  • I WAS SEEKING FOR TRUTH, BUT THE
  • 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.270
  • THING THAT BLEW ME AWAY, YEAH,
  • 00:08:57.270 --> 00:08:58.250
  • ERIC, WAS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE
  • 00:08:58.250 --> 00:08:59.220
  • SAID IS HAPPENING TODAY.
  • 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:02.240
  • THE SAME GOD OF THE BIBLE IS THE
  • 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:03.170
  • GOD OF TODAY.
  • 00:09:03.170 --> 00:09:04.280
  • IT'S REAL.
  • 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:05.160
  • IT'S NOT JUST THIS TRADITION.
  • 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:06.110
  • I WAS NEVER FOR "RELIGION."
  • 00:09:06.110 --> 00:09:07.110
  • IT'S REAL.
  • 00:09:07.110 --> 00:09:08.140
  • HE'S REALITY.
  • 00:09:08.140 --> 00:09:09.170
  • THAT BLEW ME AWAY.
  • 00:09:09.170 --> 00:09:10.020
  • I NEVER WAS TAUGHT THAT.
  • 00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:11.060
  • - ERIC: WHEN YOU WROTE THIS,
  • 00:09:11.060 --> 00:09:12.020
  • THE NEW BOOK NOW IS CALLED
  • 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:13.130
  • "THE ORACLE."
  • 00:09:13.130 --> 00:09:14.050
  • BRAND-NEW BOOK, AND THE
  • 00:09:14.050 --> 00:09:15.110
  • SUBTITLE IS "THE JUBILEAN
  • 00:09:15.110 --> 00:09:17.160
  • MYSTERIES UNVEILED."
  • 00:09:17.160 --> 00:09:19.160
  • SO WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM?
  • 00:09:19.160 --> 00:09:21.160
  • I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING
  • 00:09:21.160 --> 00:09:23.240
  • LIKE THE "JUBILEAN MYSTERIES."
  • 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:24.220
  • - JONATHAN: WELL, IT'S
  • 00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:25.280
  • THE JUBILEE.
  • 00:09:25.280 --> 00:09:27.020
  • "THE ORACLE," THIS IS REALLY--
  • 00:09:27.020 --> 00:09:27.230
  • YOU KNOW, WE'VE KNOWN EACH
  • 00:09:27.230 --> 00:09:29.050
  • OTHER, AND YOU'VE KNOWN BOOKS
  • 00:09:29.050 --> 00:09:30.040
  • I'VE WRITTEN.
  • 00:09:30.040 --> 00:09:30.210
  • THIS IS REALLY THE LARGEST
  • 00:09:30.210 --> 00:09:31.280
  • SPANNING MYSTERY I'VE EVER
  • 00:09:31.280 --> 00:09:33.100
  • DEALT WITH.
  • 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:33.250
  • IT DEALS WITH A SECRET, REALLY,
  • 00:09:33.250 --> 00:09:35.170
  • BEHIND THE PAST, NOT JUST THE
  • 00:09:35.170 --> 00:09:37.140
  • PRESENT, CURRENT EVENTS-- THE
  • 00:09:37.140 --> 00:09:38.260
  • FUTURE, OUR LIVES.
  • 00:09:38.260 --> 00:09:40.190
  • IT GOES BACK TO THE JUBILEE.
  • 00:09:40.190 --> 00:09:42.230
  • THE JUBILEE IS THAT, IN THAT
  • 00:09:42.230 --> 00:09:44.050
  • YEAR, "EVERYONE SHALL RETURN TO
  • 00:09:44.050 --> 00:09:45.280
  • THEIR ANCESTRAL POSSESSION,"
  • 00:09:45.280 --> 00:09:47.230
  • YOU KNOW, FREEDOM.
  • 00:09:47.230 --> 00:09:48.140
  • "EVERYONE SHALL RETURN,
  • 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:49.220
  • EACH ONE."
  • 00:09:49.220 --> 00:09:50.040
  • WELL, THE AMAZING THING
  • 00:09:50.040 --> 00:09:51.050
  • IS, YOU KNOW, GOD SAYS THAT--
  • 00:09:51.050 --> 00:09:52.050
  • THE PROPHECY IS THAT HE WILL
  • 00:09:52.050 --> 00:09:53.040
  • SCATTER THE JEWISH PEOPLE TILL
  • 00:09:53.040 --> 00:09:54.140
  • THE ENDS OF THE EARTH.
  • 00:09:54.140 --> 00:09:55.240
  • IT SAYS, IN THE END TIMES, HE
  • 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.040
  • WILL GATHER THEM BACK TO ISRAEL.
  • 00:09:57.040 --> 00:09:58.070
  • THEY WILL RETURN.
  • 00:09:58.070 --> 00:09:59.170
  • SO ISRAEL'S THE JUBILEAN NATION,
  • 00:09:59.170 --> 00:10:00.280
  • BUT THE AMAZING THING IS THAT
  • 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:03.020
  • THEIR RETURN, IN ALL THESE
  • 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:05.010
  • THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED,
  • 00:10:05.010 --> 00:10:06.080
  • FOLLOW THIS PATTERN
  • 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:06.250
  • OF THE JUBILEE.
  • 00:10:06.250 --> 00:10:08.210
  • THEY'VE AFFECTED WORLD HISTORY,
  • 00:10:08.210 --> 00:10:09.260
  • THEY'VE AFFECTED EVERYTHING, BUT
  • 00:10:09.260 --> 00:10:11.060
  • THEY ALL-- NUMBER ONE, THEY
  • 00:10:11.060 --> 00:10:12.130
  • HAPPEN ON THESE CYCLES THAT ARE
  • 00:10:12.130 --> 00:10:13.280
  • JUBILEAN, THAT THESE KEY
  • 00:10:13.280 --> 00:10:15.210
  • PROPHETIC THINGS-- IT'LL CONNECT
  • 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:17.120
  • WITH YOU-- HAPPENED ALWAYS ON
  • 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.080
  • THESE CYCLES.
  • 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.230
  • ANOTHER MYSTERY LINKED TO THAT
  • 00:10:20.230 --> 00:10:23.020
  • IS CALLED THE "PARASHAH," AND
  • 00:10:23.020 --> 00:10:25.020
  • THAT IS THAT THERE ARE THESE
  • 00:10:25.020 --> 00:10:26.090
  • APPOINTED WORDS THAT ARE READ
  • 00:10:26.090 --> 00:10:27.090
  • EVERY WEEK IN THE SYNAGOGUES
  • 00:10:27.090 --> 00:10:27.290
  • OF THE WORLD.
  • 00:10:27.290 --> 00:10:28.120
  • THEY OPEN UP THE SCROLLS,
  • 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:29.010
  • BUT THE AMAZING THING
  • 00:10:29.010 --> 00:10:29.180
  • IS THAT--
  • 00:10:29.180 --> 00:10:30.220
  • I SAW AS I'M DOIN' THIS--
  • 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:32.150
  • IS THAT, WHEN THESE THINGS ARE
  • 00:10:32.150 --> 00:10:33.140
  • READ AT KEY TIMES, WHAT IS READ,
  • 00:10:33.140 --> 00:10:34.190
  • THE SCRIPTURES THAT ARE READ,
  • 00:10:34.190 --> 00:10:36.110
  • ARE HAPPENING THAT DAY IN THE
  • 00:10:36.110 --> 00:10:38.030
  • WORLD, WHICH WE'LL SEE IT
  • 00:10:38.030 --> 00:10:38.290
  • HAPPENS AGAIN AND AGAIN,
  • 00:10:38.290 --> 00:10:40.030
  • AND AGAIN.
  • 00:10:40.030 --> 00:10:41.110
  • THIS GOES DOWN TO, ERIC,
  • 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:42.260
  • SPECIFIC DATES OF WHEN THINGS
  • 00:10:42.260 --> 00:10:44.210
  • HAPPEN, INVOLVES THE RISE OF
  • 00:10:44.210 --> 00:10:46.250
  • AMERICA, THE FALL OF NATIONS,
  • 00:10:46.250 --> 00:10:48.080
  • EVEN THE PRESIDENCY.
  • 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.020
  • THIS WILL GET TO DONALD TRUMP,
  • 00:10:51.020 --> 00:10:52.160
  • AND IT WILL GO BEYOND IT.
  • 00:10:52.160 --> 00:10:53.270
  • A BLUEPRINT OF END-TIME
  • 00:10:56.290 --> 00:10:58.010
  • PROPHECY.
  • 00:10:58.010 --> 00:10:58.130
  • IT'S THE GRAND THEME ABOUT
  • 00:10:58.130 --> 00:10:59.080
  • WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, SO
  • 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:00.170
  • IT'S VERY, VERY BIG, AND IT'S
  • 00:11:00.170 --> 00:11:01.270
  • ALSO-- LISTEN, THE JUBILEE IS
  • 00:11:01.270 --> 00:11:03.120
  • OUR LIVES, THE PLAN OF
  • 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.080
  • OUR LIVES.
  • 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:04.220
  • IT'S REALLY EVERYTHING.
  • 00:11:06.250 --> 00:11:07.160
  • THE WHOLE BIBLE GOES ALONG THIS,
  • 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:08.080
  • BUT IT'S SPECIFIC TO OUR LIVES.
  • 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:09.000
  • IT'S BEEN AFFECTING OUR LIVES
  • 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:10.230
  • SINCE THE DAY WE WERE BORN.
  • 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:12.070
  • - ERIC: WELL, JONATHAN CAHN,
  • 00:11:12.070 --> 00:11:13.060
  • WE'RE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME.
  • 00:11:13.060 --> 00:11:14.180
  • I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE
  • 00:11:14.180 --> 00:11:16.010
  • WRITTEN A BOOK SO FULL
  • 00:11:16.010 --> 00:11:17.020
  • OF THIS STUFF.
  • 00:11:17.020 --> 00:11:19.000
  • IT'S WONDERFUL.
  • 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:19.150
  • AND, LOOK, YOU'RE A GIFT
  • 00:11:19.150 --> 00:11:21.080
  • BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE
  • 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.090
  • THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WRITING
  • 00:11:23.090 --> 00:11:24.070
  • BOOKS LIKE THIS.
  • 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:25.010
  • TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS AND THEN
  • 00:11:25.010 --> 00:11:26.050
  • TO PUBLISH IT AND TO GET IT OUT
  • 00:11:26.050 --> 00:11:27.110
  • THERE, IT'S IMPORTANT.
  • 00:11:27.110 --> 00:11:29.090
  • I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY
  • 00:11:29.090 --> 00:11:30.060
  • ENCOURAGING, SO, AGAIN,
  • 00:11:30.060 --> 00:11:31.200
  • THANK YOU.
  • 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.070
  • I DON'T NEED TO WISH YOU GOOD
  • 00:11:33.070 --> 00:11:33.280
  • LUCK WITH THE BOOK.
  • 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:34.150
  • WE DON'T BELIEVE IN "LUCK."
  • 00:11:34.150 --> 00:11:35.050
  • WE BELIEVE IN
  • 00:11:35.050 --> 00:11:35.270
  • THE LORD OF HOSTS.
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:36.240
  • JONATHAN CAHN, CONGRATULATIONS.
  • 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:37.270
  • - JONATHAN: THANK YOU, ERIC,
  • 00:11:37.270 --> 00:11:39.000
  • IT'S A JOY.
  • 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:39.240
  • - ERIC: THANKS FOR BEING
  • 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.190
  • MY GUEST.
  • 00:11:40.190 --> 00:11:41.100
  • THE BOOK IS "THE ORACLE: THE
  • 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:42.020
  • JUBILEAN MYSTERIES UNVEILED,"
  • 00:11:42.020 --> 00:11:42.280
  • AVAILABLE AT FINE TOBACCONISTS
  • 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:44.280
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.000
  • - ERIC: I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF
  • 00:11:59.110 --> 00:12:00.050
  • SITTING WITH AN OLD FRIEND,
  • 00:12:00.050 --> 00:12:01.080
  • JAMES ACKERMAN, WHO IS NOW THE
  • 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:02.250
  • PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
  • 00:12:02.250 --> 00:12:04.040
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP.
  • 00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:06.280
  • JAMES, ACKERMAN, WELCOME.
  • 00:12:06.280 --> 00:12:08.130
  • - JAMES ACKERMAN: THANK YOU.
  • 00:12:08.130 --> 00:12:09.090
  • IT'S NICE TO BE HERE.
  • 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:09.260
  • - ERIC: WHAT IS IT THAT GOT
  • 00:12:09.260 --> 00:12:10.220
  • YOU-- I MEAN, WELL, TELL US
  • 00:12:10.220 --> 00:12:11.210
  • ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND AND HOW
  • 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:12.250
  • YOU GOT INTERESTED IN WORKING
  • 00:12:12.250 --> 00:12:14.070
  • FOR PRISON FELLOWSHIP BECAUSE
  • 00:12:14.070 --> 00:12:15.150
  • IT'S, TO MY MIND, AN INTERESTING
  • 00:12:15.150 --> 00:12:16.220
  • - JAMES: WELL, IN THE EARLY
  • 00:12:20.230 --> 00:12:21.130
  • 2000s, I WAS A CEO OF A PUBLICLY
  • 00:12:21.130 --> 00:12:22.050
  • TRADED COMPANY IN SAN FRANCISCO,
  • 00:12:22.050 --> 00:12:22.270
  • AND TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, I HAD
  • 00:12:22.270 --> 00:12:25.130
  • MADE MY WORK KIND OF MY
  • 00:12:25.130 --> 00:12:26.010
  • AND MY WIFE WAS BECOMING
  • 00:12:29.050 --> 00:12:30.020
  • INCREASINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY
  • 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:31.060
  • LACK OF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE
  • 00:12:31.060 --> 00:12:33.290
  • FAMILY, AND SO SHE LITERALLY
  • 00:12:33.290 --> 00:12:35.170
  • SENT OUR SON, HOLDEN AND I,
  • 00:12:35.170 --> 00:12:37.120
  • ON A FATHER-SON RETREAT.
  • 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.110
  • I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN DIVINE
  • 00:12:39.110 --> 00:12:40.130
  • APPOINTMENTS, AND GOD GAVE
  • 00:12:40.130 --> 00:12:41.250
  • ME ONE THAT WEEKEND.
  • 00:12:41.250 --> 00:12:44.100
  • OUR CABINMATES WERE A GUY NAMED
  • 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:45.030
  • DICK PAULSEN AND HIS SON JEFF,
  • 00:12:45.030 --> 00:12:46.200
  • AND DICK WAS THE DEVELOPMENT
  • 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.030
  • DIRECTOR FOR PRISON FELLOWSHIP
  • 00:12:48.030 --> 00:12:49.020
  • ON THE WEST COAST.
  • 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:50.210
  • IN FACT, CHUCK USED TO REFER TO
  • 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:52.030
  • DICK AS "THE BEST OF THE
  • 00:12:52.030 --> 00:12:53.030
  • BUSINESS," "THE BEST DEVELOPMENT
  • 00:12:53.030 --> 00:12:54.190
  • GUY EVER."
  • 00:12:54.190 --> 00:12:55.110
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:12:55.110 --> 00:12:55.260
  • AND HE WAS.
  • 00:12:55.260 --> 00:12:57.200
  • - ERIC: I NEED THREE OF THOSE,
  • 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.120
  • OKAY?
  • 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:58.230
  • - JAMES: SO DICK TOLD ME MORE
  • 00:12:58.230 --> 00:13:00.260
  • ABOUT PRISON FELLOWSHIP'S WORK
  • 00:13:00.260 --> 00:13:02.170
  • AND ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CHUCK,
  • 00:13:02.170 --> 00:13:04.100
  • AND ALL OF THAT, AND INVITED ME
  • 00:13:04.100 --> 00:13:05.220
  • TO GO WITH HIM TO PRISON, AND SO
  • 00:13:05.220 --> 00:13:06.250
  • I DID AND SAW AN INTENSIVE
  • 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:08.080
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM
  • 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.070
  • IN THAT PRISON.
  • 00:13:10.070 --> 00:13:12.030
  • TODAY, THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE
  • 00:13:12.030 --> 00:13:13.070
  • CALLED-- IS CALLED THE PRISON
  • 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:14.100
  • FELLOWSHIP ACADEMY.
  • 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:16.020
  • - ERIC: IF SOMEBODY'S JUST
  • 00:13:16.020 --> 00:13:16.220
  • LISTENING RIGHT NOW, THEY'D SAY,
  • 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:17.200
  • "WELL, WHAT IS
  • 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:18.030
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP?"
  • 00:13:18.030 --> 00:13:18.220
  • - JAMES: WELL, A QUICK HISTORY
  • 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:19.210
  • LESSON: SO PRISON FELLOWSHIP WAS
  • 00:13:19.210 --> 00:13:20.180
  • FOUNDED 43 YEARS AGO BY THE LATE
  • 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:21.100
  • CHUCK COLSON, WHO GOT CAUGHT UP
  • 00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:23.110
  • IN THE WATERGATE SCANDAL WHEN
  • 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:26.020
  • HE WAS A SPECIAL COUNSEL TO
  • 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:27.050
  • PRESIDENT NIXON, AND BEFORE HE
  • 00:13:27.050 --> 00:13:28.130
  • WENT TO PRISON, A GUY NAMED
  • 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:31.230
  • TOM PHILLIPS, WHO WAS THE
  • 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:34.070
  • CEO OF RAYTHEON CORPORATION,
  • 00:13:34.070 --> 00:13:35.050
  • LED CHUCK TO THE LORD.
  • 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:36.290
  • AND WHILE HE WAS IN PRISON, HE
  • 00:13:36.290 --> 00:13:37.250
  • DISCOVERED THAT MEN AND, BY
  • 00:13:37.250 --> 00:13:39.260
  • PROXY, WOMEN, ARE AMONGST
  • 00:13:39.260 --> 00:13:40.260
  • THE MOST MARGINALIZED.
  • 00:13:40.260 --> 00:13:43.210
  • MEN AND WOMEN IN PRISON ARE
  • 00:13:43.210 --> 00:13:44.250
  • AMONGST THE MOST MARGINALIZED IN
  • 00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:45.290
  • SOCIETY, AND HE REALIZED THAT HE
  • 00:13:45.290 --> 00:13:48.240
  • NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
  • 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:49.220
  • THAT, SO WHEN HE GOT OUT OF
  • 00:13:49.220 --> 00:13:50.270
  • PRISON, AND IN 1976, HE STARTED
  • 00:13:50.270 --> 00:13:52.120
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP.
  • 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.150
  • YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE THING I
  • 00:13:54.150 --> 00:13:55.230
  • DISCOVERED THAT FIRST TIME I
  • 00:13:55.230 --> 00:13:56.290
  • WENT TO VISIT A PRISON: THESE
  • 00:13:56.290 --> 00:13:59.090
  • ARE PEOPLE, AND THERE'S A REASON
  • 00:13:59.090 --> 00:14:00.250
  • WHY JESUS CALLS US IN MATTHEW
  • 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:02.140
  • 25, TO VISIT THE IMPRISONED
  • 00:14:02.140 --> 00:14:04.040
  • 'CAUSE HE WANTS US TO SEE THESE,
  • 00:14:04.040 --> 00:14:05.040
  • TOO, ARE HIS CHILDREN.
  • 00:14:05.040 --> 00:14:07.010
  • THESE, TOO, ARE PEOPLE MADE
  • 00:14:07.010 --> 00:14:08.120
  • IN GOD'S IMAGE.
  • 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.180
  • YES, THEY'VE MADE VERY BAD
  • 00:14:09.180 --> 00:14:11.220
  • CHOICES, WHICH IS WHAT HAS
  • 00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:12.210
  • LANDED THEM WHERE THEY ARE, BUT
  • 00:14:12.210 --> 00:14:14.100
  • THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY
  • 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:15.020
  • BAD PEOPLE, PER SE.
  • 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:16.290
  • THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO'VE MADE
  • 00:14:16.290 --> 00:14:17.250
  • BAD CHOICES AND--
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:18.170
  • - ERIC: DON'T WE WANNA THINK
  • 00:14:18.170 --> 00:14:20.020
  • THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE THOUGH?
  • 00:14:20.020 --> 00:14:21.080
  • I THINK THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE
  • 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:22.140
  • IS THAT WE WANNA BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:24.040
  • THEY'RE-- "THAT'S THEM.
  • 00:14:24.040 --> 00:14:25.140
  • THEY'RE THERE, AND I'M HERE, AND
  • 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:27.080
  • THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE, AND I'M
  • 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.250
  • A GOOD PERSON 'CAUSE
  • 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:29.260
  • I'M NOT THERE"?
  • 00:14:29.260 --> 00:14:30.240
  • - JAMES: RIGHT, BUT THAT'S
  • 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:31.260
  • SELF-JUSTIFICATION TO SAY THAT
  • 00:14:31.260 --> 00:14:33.230
  • "I'M NOT A BAD PERSON, AND
  • 00:14:33.230 --> 00:14:34.270
  • THAT PERSON IS."
  • 00:14:34.270 --> 00:14:36.050
  • THAT'S JUDGING,
  • 00:14:36.050 --> 00:14:37.000
  • AND SELF-JUSTIFICATION.
  • 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:37.280
  • JESUS DOESN'T CALL US TO BE
  • 00:14:37.280 --> 00:14:39.050
  • SELF-JUSTIFIED.
  • 00:14:39.050 --> 00:14:39.200
  • I'M A SINNER JUST AS MUCH AS THE
  • 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.120
  • GUY WHO'S IN PRISON FOR LIFE,
  • 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.120
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.010
  • MY SINS MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT
  • 00:14:44.010 --> 00:14:45.110
  • THAN THAT PERSON'S SINS,
  • 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:46.180
  • BUT JESUS HAS A PLAN FOR THAT
  • 00:14:46.180 --> 00:14:48.260
  • PERSON'S LIFE AS WELL.
  • 00:14:48.260 --> 00:14:50.070
  • I HAVE SEEN MORE LIFERS WHO FIND
  • 00:14:50.070 --> 00:14:52.210
  • JESUS IN PRISON AND BECOME
  • 00:14:52.210 --> 00:14:54.200
  • ASSISTANTS TO THE CHAPLAIN,
  • 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.250
  • BECOME EVANGELISTS IN THE
  • 00:14:56.250 --> 00:14:57.150
  • PRISON YARD.
  • 00:14:57.150 --> 00:14:58.290
  • I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING WHAT
  • 00:14:58.290 --> 00:15:00.060
  • HAPPENS, AND YOU FIND THESE
  • 00:15:00.060 --> 00:15:01.130
  • PEOPLE WHO GOD ACTUALLY HAS A
  • 00:15:01.130 --> 00:15:02.290
  • PURPOSE AND PLAN FOR THEIR
  • 00:15:02.290 --> 00:15:04.230
  • LIVES, TO MINISTER TO OTHER
  • 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:05.280
  • PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE
  • 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:07.050
  • PRISON 24/7.
  • 00:15:07.050 --> 00:15:09.240
  • - ERIC: THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT
  • 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.020
  • "PRISON," AS I WAS SAYING
  • 00:15:12.020 --> 00:15:12.250
  • EARLIER, THAT IT'S A CLARIFIER,
  • 00:15:12.250 --> 00:15:14.030
  • AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF
  • 00:15:14.030 --> 00:15:15.060
  • BEING IMPRISONED, THEY'RE FORCED
  • 00:15:15.130 --> 00:15:18.130
  • TO SEE THEMSELVES IN A WAY THAT
  • 00:15:18.130 --> 00:15:20.220
  • THEY MIGHT NEVER HAVE SEEN
  • 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:22.260
  • THEMSELVES BEFORE, AND IT GIVES
  • 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:24.170
  • THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT,
  • 00:15:24.170 --> 00:15:26.020
  • TO ME, IS THE BEAUTY OF PRISON
  • 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:27.120
  • FELLOWSHIP IS YOU GO INTO THOSE
  • 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.080
  • PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE OPEN,
  • 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.140
  • AND YOU SAY, "OKAY, IF YOU
  • 00:15:31.140 --> 00:15:32.260
  • REALLY ARE OPEN, WE'VE GOT SOME
  • 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:33.290
  • ANSWERS.
  • 00:15:33.290 --> 00:15:35.270
  • - JAMES: RIGHT.
  • 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:39.100
  • MOST PRISONS HAVE, LIKE ANY
  • 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:40.120
  • PLACE, HAVE A CULTURE, AND IN
  • 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.160
  • MOST PRISONS, MEN'S PRISONS, IN
  • 00:15:41.160 --> 00:15:43.040
  • PARTICULAR, THAT CULTURE IS
  • 00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:44.150
  • AND SO A LOT OF MEN WHO GO TO
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.230
  • PRISON END UP BECOMING WORSE
  • 00:15:48.230 --> 00:15:50.160
  • CRIMINALS AND, TO BE FRANK,
  • 00:15:50.160 --> 00:15:53.080
  • WORSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME OUT
  • 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.010
  • BECAUSE THEY JOIN A GANG, AND
  • 00:15:55.010 --> 00:15:56.190
  • THEY GET INTO THAT KIND OF GANG
  • 00:15:56.190 --> 00:15:58.090
  • WARFARE MENTALITY IN PRISON, AND
  • 00:15:58.090 --> 00:16:00.160
  • WHAT WE DO IS WE GO IN AND SAY,
  • 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:02.010
  • "NO, THERE'S A BETTER PLAN.
  • 00:16:02.010 --> 00:16:02.270
  • THERE'S A BETTER WAY.
  • 00:16:02.270 --> 00:16:04.080
  • JESUS HAS A PURPOSE AND PLAN
  • 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.100
  • FOR YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:06.280
  • RECEIVE JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:16:06.280 --> 00:16:08.130
  • BECOME A FOLLOWER OF JESUS
  • 00:16:08.130 --> 00:16:10.050
  • CHRIST AND BECOME A
  • 00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:11.020
  • PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN.
  • 00:16:11.020 --> 00:16:12.030
  • TAKE YOURSELF ON A PATH OF
  • 00:16:12.030 --> 00:16:13.060
  • RESTORATION AND HOPE AND
  • 00:16:13.060 --> 00:16:14.060
  • TRANSITION AND TRANSFORMATION SO
  • 00:16:14.060 --> 00:16:16.090
  • THAT YOU CAN BECOME A PRODUCTIVE
  • 00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:18.260
  • CITIZEN, BOTH IN AND OUT OF
  • 00:16:18.260 --> 00:16:20.180
  • PRISON," AND THIS IS THE VERY
  • 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:21.210
  • THAT CHUCK COLSON SAW.
  • 00:16:21.210 --> 00:16:23.150
  • AND ONE OF THE GUYS I MET ALONG
  • 00:16:23.150 --> 00:16:24.220
  • THE WAY WAS THIS GIANT
  • 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:26.250
  • AFRICAN-AMERICAN GUY, ABOUT
  • 00:16:26.250 --> 00:16:27.280
  • 6'5", COVERED IN TATTOOS, WHO
  • 00:16:27.280 --> 00:16:29.210
  • WAS IN PRISON FOR FIRST-DEGREE
  • 00:16:29.210 --> 00:16:31.070
  • MURDER, AND HE WASN'T A LIFER,
  • 00:16:31.070 --> 00:16:33.100
  • BUT HE WAS IN FOR A VERY LONG
  • 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:34.120
  • SENTENCE, AND HE ASKED ME,
  • 00:16:35.060 --> 00:16:38.060
  • HE SAID, "WOULD JESUS REALLY
  • 00:16:38.060 --> 00:16:38.260
  • FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I'VE DONE?"
  • 00:16:38.260 --> 00:16:39.230
  • HE GOES, "I KNEW WHAT I DID.
  • 00:16:39.230 --> 00:16:41.080
  • I KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE."
  • 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.190
  • AND I SAID,
  • 00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:43.240
  • "ARE YOU SORRY FOR IT?"
  • 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:44.260
  • AND HE SAID, "YES."
  • 00:16:44.260 --> 00:16:46.070
  • I SAID, "THEN JESUS IS
  • 00:16:46.070 --> 00:16:46.240
  • PREPARED AND ABLE TO FORGIVE
  • 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.250
  • YOU OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
  • 00:16:48.250 --> 00:16:50.020
  • IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO
  • 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:51.140
  • RECEIVE THAT AND STEP INTO IT."
  • 00:16:51.140 --> 00:16:53.070
  • AND TEARS STARTED STREAMING DOWN
  • 00:16:53.070 --> 00:16:55.100
  • THIS GUY'S FACE.
  • 00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:56.290
  • HE JUST NEEDED SOMEBODY TO BRING
  • 00:16:56.290 --> 00:16:58.050
  • HIM THE MESSAGE OF HOPE, WHICH
  • 00:16:58.050 --> 00:16:59.160
  • IS WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO,
  • 00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:01.090
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:17:01.090 --> 00:17:02.230
  • AND SO, IF YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING
  • 00:17:02.230 --> 00:17:03.230
  • INCREDIBLY HORRIBLE IN YOUR
  • 00:17:03.230 --> 00:17:05.190
  • LIFE, YOU CAN EITHER BECOME
  • 00:17:05.190 --> 00:17:07.060
  • DEFINED BY THAT THING, OR GIVE
  • 00:17:07.060 --> 00:17:09.160
  • IT OVER TO THE CROSS AND SAY,
  • 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.110
  • "JESUS, PLEASE FORGIVE ME OF
  • 00:17:11.110 --> 00:17:13.000
  • WHAT I'VE DONE, THIS STUPID
  • 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.170
  • THING THAT I'VE DONE, AND HELP
  • 00:17:14.170 --> 00:17:15.080
  • ME BE RESTORED."
  • 00:17:15.080 --> 00:17:17.130
  • - ERIC: YOU KNOW, ALL THESE
  • 00:17:17.130 --> 00:17:18.250
  • YEARS LATER NOW, YOU ARE AT THE
  • 00:17:18.250 --> 00:17:19.200
  • HEAD OF THIS THING, AND HOW BIG
  • 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:20.120
  • IS PRISON FELLOWSHIP?
  • 00:17:20.120 --> 00:17:21.190
  • - JAMES: SO PRISON FELLOWSHIP
  • 00:17:21.190 --> 00:17:24.020
  • SERVES IN HUNDREDS OF PRISONS
  • 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:25.100
  • ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
  • 00:17:25.100 --> 00:17:25.280
  • OUR MOST INTENSIVE PROGRAM IS
  • 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:27.260
  • THE PRISON FELLOWSHIP ACADEMY OF
  • 00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:29.130
  • WHICH THERE'S 90 IN 27
  • 00:17:29.130 --> 00:17:30.000
  • STATES TODAY.
  • 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:34.070
  • - ERIC: AND THERE'S ONE HERE AT
  • 00:17:34.070 --> 00:17:35.010
  • RIKERS ISLAND IN NEW YORK.
  • 00:17:35.010 --> 00:17:36.110
  • - JAMES: THERE IS ONE HERE AT
  • 00:17:36.110 --> 00:17:37.020
  • RIKERS ISLAND.
  • 00:17:37.020 --> 00:17:39.020
  • - ERIC: OKAY, WHAT IS THE
  • 00:17:39.020 --> 00:17:39.210
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP ACADEMY?
  • 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:40.100
  • - JAMES: SO THE PRISON
  • 00:17:40.100 --> 00:17:41.000
  • FELLOWSHIP ACADEMY, IN MOST
  • 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:41.260
  • FACILITIES-- RIKERS IS AN
  • 00:17:41.260 --> 00:17:43.000
  • EXCEPTION 'CAUSE IT'S A JAIL--
  • 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.070
  • IS A YEARLONG INTENSIVE PROGRAM
  • 00:17:44.070 --> 00:17:45.180
  • THAT'S DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE
  • 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:47.280
  • CRIMINOGENIC THINKING AND
  • 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:49.210
  • BEHAVIOR OR MEN AND WOMEN IN
  • 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:50.250
  • PRISON THROUGH BIBLICAL-BASED
  • 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:52.270
  • CURRICULUM THAT'S GROUNDED IN
  • 00:17:52.270 --> 00:17:55.170
  • THE BIBLE AND THE GOSPELS OF
  • 00:17:55.170 --> 00:17:56.200
  • JESUS CHRIST.
  • 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.120
  • - ERIC: SO IF YOU GO TO PRISON,
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:17:59.190
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO WASTE TIME?
  • 00:17:59.190 --> 00:18:00.270
  • YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING
  • 00:18:00.270 --> 00:18:01.180
  • VERY VALUABLE WITH YOUR TIME?
  • 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:02.230
  • - JAMES: PRODUCTIVE, YEAH.
  • 00:18:02.230 --> 00:18:04.030
  • I WAS SAYING TO A COLLEAGUE OF
  • 00:18:04.030 --> 00:18:05.120
  • YOURS, EARLIER, THAT PRISONS CAN
  • 00:18:05.120 --> 00:18:07.190
  • EITHER BE CENTERS OF RESTORATION
  • 00:18:07.190 --> 00:18:10.090
  • AND TRANSFORMATION IN JESUS
  • 00:18:10.090 --> 00:18:12.100
  • CHRIST, OR THEY CAN BE BOOT
  • 00:18:12.100 --> 00:18:13.070
  • CAMPS OF CRIMINALITY, AND SO
  • 00:18:13.070 --> 00:18:14.290
  • JESUS CALLS US TO VISIT
  • 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:16.180
  • THE IMPRISONED.
  • 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:17.160
  • IN HEBREWS 13:3, WE'RE CALLED TO
  • 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.020
  • REMEMBER THOSE IN PRISON AS IF
  • 00:18:19.020 --> 00:18:21.100
  • WE ARE SERVING WITH THEM, AND
  • 00:18:21.100 --> 00:18:23.020
  • SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CALLING
  • 00:18:23.020 --> 00:18:25.290
  • TO BE IN PRISON TO SERVE PEOPLE,
  • 00:18:25.290 --> 00:18:27.020
  • AND AT THE CORE OF IT IS TO
  • 00:18:27.020 --> 00:18:29.110
  • BRING THE GOSPEL MESSAGE THAT
  • 00:18:29.110 --> 00:18:30.220
  • THERE IS NOTHING FOR WHICH YOU
  • 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:32.210
  • CANNOT BE FORGIVEN AND THAT GOD
  • 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:34.050
  • HAS A PURPOSE AND PLAN FOR YOUR
  • 00:18:34.050 --> 00:18:35.020
  • LIFE, AND WE WANNA HELP YOU
  • 00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:35.290
  • STEP INTO THAT.
  • 00:18:35.290 --> 00:18:37.080
  • - ERIC: THAT, TO ME, IS HUGE.
  • 00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:38.010
  • WHEN DID THAT START?
  • 00:18:38.010 --> 00:18:38.190
  • I SHOULD ASK BECAUSE I DON'T
  • 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:39.210
  • KNOW WHEN THAT STARTED.
  • 00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:40.210
  • - JAMES: IT WAS REALLY
  • 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:41.090
  • STARTED BY CHUCK.
  • 00:18:41.090 --> 00:18:42.090
  • AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS
  • 00:18:42.090 --> 00:18:43.070
  • CALLED SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
  • 00:18:43.070 --> 00:18:44.010
  • IT WAS CALLED THE INNERCHANGE
  • 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:45.040
  • FREEDOM INITIATIVE, IFI, AND IT
  • 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:46.090
  • BEGAN 22 YEARS AGO IN A PRISON
  • 00:18:46.090 --> 00:18:48.150
  • IN TEXAS, AND THEN GOVERNOR
  • 00:18:48.150 --> 00:18:51.020
  • GEORGE BUSH HELPED HIM GET IT
  • 00:18:51.020 --> 00:18:52.190
  • OFF THE GROUND, AND WE'RE
  • 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:54.070
  • ACTUALLY GONNA CELEBRATE THE
  • 00:18:54.070 --> 00:18:56.180
  • 22ND ANNIVERSARY OF THAT AT OUR
  • 00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:58.190
  • BOARD MEETING IN OCTOBER, BUT
  • 00:18:58.190 --> 00:19:01.000
  • IT'S BEEN A MASSIVELY
  • 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.060
  • SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
  • 00:19:02.060 --> 00:19:03.200
  • LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE: SO
  • 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.080
  • THERE'S A GUY NAMED DARRYL
  • 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:06.050
  • BROOKS, AND HE WENT THROUGH THIS
  • 00:19:06.050 --> 00:19:07.180
  • ACADEMY, THE ORIGINAL IFI
  • 00:19:07.180 --> 00:19:10.150
  • PROGRAM, IN TEXAS, SPENT 15
  • 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.240
  • YEARS IN PRISON.
  • 00:19:14.010 --> 00:19:17.010
  • LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF HIS
  • 00:19:17.010 --> 00:19:18.270
  • SENTENCE, HE WAS, AFTER HE
  • 00:19:18.270 --> 00:19:20.020
  • APPLIED, WAS APPROVED TO GO
  • 00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:21.070
  • TO THIS ACADEMY.
  • 00:19:21.070 --> 00:19:22.070
  • THEY ACTUALLY TRANSFERRED HIM
  • 00:19:22.070 --> 00:19:23.070
  • FROM ANOTHER PRISON TO
  • 00:19:23.070 --> 00:19:23.290
  • THAT FACILITY.
  • 00:19:23.290 --> 00:19:25.140
  • HE GRADUATED THAT ACADEMY
  • 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.150
  • PROGRAM, LATER GOT RELEASED FROM
  • 00:19:27.150 --> 00:19:29.030
  • PRISON AND WENT AND GOT HIS
  • 00:19:29.030 --> 00:19:30.200
  • DEGREE IN BIBLICAL COUNSELING,
  • 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.120
  • AND FOUR YEARS LATER OR FIVE
  • 00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:34.050
  • YEARS LATER CAME BACK AS A
  • 00:19:34.050 --> 00:19:35.120
  • MENTOR, AS A VOLUNTEER MENTOR,
  • 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:36.230
  • TO WORK WITH THE MEN IN THE
  • 00:19:36.230 --> 00:19:38.150
  • ACADEMY THAT HE GRADUATED FROM.
  • 00:19:38.150 --> 00:19:40.020
  • TODAY, DARRYL BROOKS IS THE
  • 00:19:40.020 --> 00:19:42.190
  • DIRECTOR OF THAT ACADEMY.
  • 00:19:42.190 --> 00:19:45.140
  • HE LEADS THAT ACADEMY.
  • 00:19:45.140 --> 00:19:46.230
  • NOW THIS IS WHAT CHUCK COLSON
  • 00:19:46.230 --> 00:19:48.160
  • USED TO CALL HIS "LIVING
  • 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:49.170
  • MONUMENTS."
  • 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:50.110
  • REMEMBER THAT PHRASE?
  • 00:19:50.110 --> 00:19:50.280
  • - JAMES: THIS IS A GUY WHO WENT
  • 00:19:53.060 --> 00:19:53.290
  • TO PRISON FOR BAD THINGS THAT HE
  • 00:19:53.290 --> 00:19:56.210
  • WAS DOING, CONTINUED TO DO BAD
  • 00:19:56.210 --> 00:19:57.220
  • THINGS IN PRISON, BUT GOD HAD A
  • 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.240
  • DIVINE APPOINTMENT FOR HIM.
  • 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.090
  • HIS CELLMATE WAS A CHRISTIAN WHO
  • 00:20:02.090 --> 00:20:03.280
  • KEPT ENCOURAGING HIM TO GO TO
  • 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:05.010
  • AND EVENTUALLY HE CAPITULATED,
  • 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.020
  • WENT TO CHURCH, AND DISCOVERED
  • 00:20:09.020 --> 00:20:11.110
  • THE LIVING GOD THROUGH
  • 00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:12.010
  • JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:20:12.010 --> 00:20:13.110
  • AND IT TOOK HIM ON A NEW
  • 00:20:13.110 --> 00:20:14.060
  • PATH THAT BEGAN TO CHANGE HIS
  • 00:20:14.060 --> 00:20:15.270
  • BEHAVIOR AND HIS ATTITUDES ABOUT
  • 00:20:15.270 --> 00:20:17.060
  • HIS LIFE, AND HE ULTIMATELY WENT
  • 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:18.290
  • THROUGH THE ACADEMY, AND
  • 00:20:18.290 --> 00:20:20.080
  • NOW HE LEADS IT.
  • 00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:21.090
  • ISN'T THAT CRAZY?
  • 00:20:21.090 --> 00:20:22.050
  • - ERIC: WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:22.050 --> 00:20:23.040
  • PEOPLE-- YOU KNOW, I NEVER KNOW
  • 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:24.220
  • WHO'S LISTENING AS WE TALK, AND
  • 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:26.230
  • I THINK THAT I KNOW THAT THERE
  • 00:20:26.230 --> 00:20:27.280
  • ARE PEOPLE WHO, WHEN YOU SAY TO
  • 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:30.120
  • THEM THAT THIS GUY WAS A
  • 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:31.240
  • MURDERER OR DID THIS OR DID
  • 00:20:31.260 --> 00:20:34.260
  • THAT, IN THEIR MINDS, IT'S OVER.
  • 00:20:34.260 --> 00:20:35.180
  • YOU MIGHT AS WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:36.150
  • EXECUTE THEM.
  • 00:20:36.150 --> 00:20:38.000
  • "THERE'S JUST NO POSSIBILITY
  • 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.260
  • THAT A PERSON THAT BAD," QUOTE,
  • 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:41.250
  • UNQUOTE, YOU KNOW, "COULD EVER
  • 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:43.150
  • AMOUNT TO ANYTHING," AND THE
  • 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:45.070
  • REALITY IS, IN SOME CASES, SO
  • 00:20:45.070 --> 00:20:47.240
  • DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAT, IF
  • 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.290
  • YOU'RE NOT SHOCKED, YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:20:49.290 --> 00:20:51.200
  • PAYING ATTENTION.
  • 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:52.160
  • BUT I WANNA TALK ABOUT PRISON
  • 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:53.070
  • FELLOWSHIP AND CHILDREN IN THE
  • 00:20:53.070 --> 00:20:54.290
  • FEW MINUTES WE HAVE LEFT.
  • 00:20:54.290 --> 00:20:55.180
  • OKAY, GO START US OFF THERE.
  • 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:57.020
  • - JAMES: WELL, AS YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:57.020 --> 00:20:59.150
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP STARTED A
  • 00:20:59.150 --> 00:21:00.220
  • PROGRAM-- IT WAS ACTUALLY
  • 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:02.140
  • STARTED BY A FORMER INMATE
  • 00:21:02.140 --> 00:21:04.010
  • HERSELF, NAMED MARY KAY BEARD,
  • 00:21:04.010 --> 00:21:05.160
  • AND CHUCK BROUGHT HER ON BOARD.
  • 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.080
  • - ERIC: WASN'T SHE A
  • 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:07.250
  • BANK ROBBER?
  • 00:21:07.250 --> 00:21:08.090
  • - JAMES: SHE WAS A BANK ROBBER.
  • 00:21:08.090 --> 00:21:09.010
  • SHE WAS ACTUALLY, AT ONE POINT,
  • 00:21:09.010 --> 00:21:10.230
  • ON THE FBI'S MOST WANTED LIST.
  • 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:12.020
  • - ERIC: OKAY, THAT'S MARY?
  • 00:21:12.020 --> 00:21:13.200
  • - JAMES: MARY KAY BEARD.
  • 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:14.240
  • - ERIC: YEAH.
  • 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:15.170
  • - JAMES: AND SO SHE
  • 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:16.140
  • CAME ON BOARD.
  • 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:17.200
  • CHUCK BROUGHT HER ON BOARD, ONTO
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.120
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP, IN THE 1980s,
  • 00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:19.080
  • TO GET ANGEL TREE
  • 00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:20.060
  • OFF THE GROUND.
  • 00:21:20.060 --> 00:21:22.160
  • DID YOU KNOW THAT LAST YEAR WE
  • 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.240
  • SERVED OVER 292.000 CHILDREN IN
  • 00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:27.120
  • ALL 50 STATES OF
  • 00:21:27.120 --> 00:21:29.110
  • INCARCERATED PARENTS?
  • 00:21:29.110 --> 00:21:31.110
  • SO ANGEL TREE CHRISTMAS IS A
  • 00:21:31.110 --> 00:21:33.040
  • PROGRAM WHEREBY WE, AS
  • 00:21:33.040 --> 00:21:35.030
  • VOLUNTEERS, PURCHASE AND DELIVER
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.220
  • CHRISTMAS GIFTS ON BEHALF OF
  • 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:38.180
  • INCARCERATED PARENTS.
  • 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:40.100
  • LITERALLY, THE PARENTS FILL OUT
  • 00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:41.180
  • THE FORM OF WHAT THEY WANT THEIR
  • 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:43.010
  • CHILDREN TO RECEIVE AND THE
  • 00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:44.110
  • MESSAGE THEY WANT THEIR CHILDREN
  • 00:21:44.110 --> 00:21:45.180
  • TO HEAR, AND THEN WE DELIVER
  • 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:46.240
  • THOSE GIFTS AND THE GOSPEL
  • 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.240
  • MESSAGE TO THOSE CHILDREN.
  • 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.060
  • IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
  • 00:21:50.060 --> 00:21:51.120
  • IT'S EXISTED SINCE THE 1980s,
  • 00:21:51.120 --> 00:21:53.020
  • AND WE LITERALLY SERVE HUNDREDS
  • 00:21:53.020 --> 00:21:55.010
  • OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN
  • 00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:55.200
  • EVERY YEAR.
  • 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.000
  • - ERIC: BUT THE IDEA THAT THESE
  • 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:58.220
  • KIDS ARE-- THEY CAN'T SEE THEIR
  • 00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:01.040
  • PARENTS-- THEIR PARENTS CAN'T
  • 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:02.080
  • GET THEM GIFTS, AND THAT PRISON
  • 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:03.040
  • FELLOWSHIP STEPS IN AND ENABLES
  • 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:04.270
  • AN INCARCERATED MOTHER OR FATHER
  • 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:06.150
  • TO HAVE A GIFT DELIVERED TO
  • 00:22:06.150 --> 00:22:08.280
  • THEM, I MEAN, YOU REALLY COULD
  • 00:22:08.280 --> 00:22:10.030
  • GET VERY CHOKED UP, THINKIN'
  • 00:22:10.030 --> 00:22:11.140
  • ABOUT THIS.
  • 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:12.000
  • - JAMES: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.170
  • CHUCK USED TO SAY, "CRIME IS A
  • 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:14.000
  • FAMILY BUSINESS.
  • 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.070
  • IF YOU WANNA MEET THE NEXT
  • 00:22:15.070 --> 00:22:16.000
  • GENERATION OF CRIMINALS, JUST
  • 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.060
  • LOOK AT THE CURRENT GENERATION."
  • 00:22:17.060 --> 00:22:18.160
  • ANGEL TREE IS DESIGNED TO BREAK
  • 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.280
  • THAT, TO GIVE KIDS HOPE, GIVE
  • 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:21.060
  • KIDS PURPOSE, AND TO HEAR THE
  • 00:22:21.060 --> 00:22:23.270
  • TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF
  • 00:22:26.050 --> 00:22:26.260
  • TAKING A NEW DIRECTION IN THEIR
  • 00:22:26.260 --> 00:22:27.210
  • LIVES.
  • 00:22:27.210 --> 00:22:29.120
  • WHAT'S WONDERFUL ABOUT ANGEL
  • 00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:30.130
  • TREE HAVING EXISTED AS LONG AS
  • 00:22:30.130 --> 00:22:31.290
  • IT HAS, THERE ARE SCORES OF
  • 00:22:31.290 --> 00:22:32.280
  • ADULTS OUT THERE WHO WERE ANGEL
  • 00:22:32.280 --> 00:22:34.100
  • TREE CHILDREN, WHO ARE DOING
  • 00:22:34.100 --> 00:22:35.130
  • AN INCREDIBLE TESTIMONY OF
  • 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:38.170
  • WHAT GOD HAS DONE.
  • 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:40.170
  • SO WE'VE NOW EXTENDED ANGEL TREE
  • 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:41.140
  • TO INCLUDE CAMPING.
  • 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.210
  • WE SEND KIDS AWAY TO--
  • 00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:44.270
  • - ERIC: IN THE SUMMER?
  • 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:45.150
  • THAT'S RIGHT, ANGEL SUMMER CAMP.
  • 00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:46.090
  • - JAMES: AND NOW WE DO ANGEL
  • 00:22:46.090 --> 00:22:47.000
  • TREE SPORTS CLINICS.
  • 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.240
  • WE ACTUALLY JUST DID A SPORTS
  • 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.120
  • CLINIC WITH THE LOS ANGELES RAMS
  • 00:22:50.120 --> 00:22:51.250
  • AT THEIR TRAINING FACILITY AND
  • 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:53.200
  • 16 OF THE PLAYERS CAME OUT TO
  • 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.060
  • WORK WITH THESE INNER-CITY KIDS
  • 00:22:55.060 --> 00:22:56.210
  • ON PRO-CLASS FOOTBALL SKILLS.
  • 00:22:56.210 --> 00:22:58.060
  • ISN'T IT AMAZING?
  • 00:22:58.060 --> 00:23:00.020
  • - ERIC: THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE
  • 00:23:00.020 --> 00:23:00.240
  • THESE KIDS, YOU KNOW, GETTING A
  • 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:03.290
  • CHANCE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:05.160
  • THAT'S-- TO ME, THAT'S-- PEOPLE
  • 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.010
  • SAY, "WELL WHAT--" YOU KNOW,
  • 00:23:07.010 --> 00:23:08.030
  • "WHAT IS THE POINT
  • 00:23:08.030 --> 00:23:08.180
  • OF CHRISTIANITY?"
  • 00:23:08.180 --> 00:23:09.220
  • JUST LOOK AT THAT.
  • 00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:10.070
  • THAT'S THE POINT.
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  • - JAMES: EXACTLY, YEAH, THERE
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  • ARE SCORES OF STORIES AND
  • 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:13.290
  • TESTIMONIES ON THE PRISON
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  • FELLOWSHIP WEBSITE,
  • 00:23:15.100 --> 00:23:16.100
  • PRISONFELLOWSHIP.ORG, OF JUST
  • 00:23:16.100 --> 00:23:18.270
  • INSPIRATION, OF TRANSFORMATION
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  • OF WHAT GOD HAS DONE, SO IF YOU
  • 00:23:20.110 --> 00:23:21.260
  • WANNA BE INSPIRED, GO TO THE
  • 00:23:21.260 --> 00:23:23.020
  • WEBSITE AND CHECK IT OUT.
  • 00:23:23.020 --> 00:23:23.240
  • - ERIC: WELL, I LOVE IT.
  • 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.130
  • WE'RE BASICALLY OUT OF TIME.
  • 00:23:25.130 --> 00:23:27.020
  • JAMES ACKERMAN, I DON'T WHAT TO
  • 00:23:27.020 --> 00:23:28.090
  • SAY EXCEPT THANK YOU.
  • 00:23:28.090 --> 00:23:29.010
  • PRISON FELLOWSHIP IS SOMETHING
  • 00:23:29.010 --> 00:23:30.120
  • THAT WILL ALWAYS BE CLOSE TO MY
  • 00:23:30.120 --> 00:23:31.220
  • HEART BECAUSE OF MY STORY WITH
  • 00:23:32.120 --> 00:23:35.120
  • CHUCK AND HOW IMPORTANT HE WAS
  • 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:36.270
  • IN MY LIFE AND TO THINK THAT HE
  • 00:23:36.270 --> 00:23:39.200
  • CREATED SOMETHING THAT GOES ON
  • 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.220
  • AND ON AND ON AND ON THROUGH YOU
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  • AND THROUGH ALL THE PEOPLE
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  • WORKING AT PF.
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  • IT JUST-- IT BLESSES ME, SO I
  • 00:23:45.170 --> 00:23:47.140
  • WANNA SAY THANKS FOR WHAT YOU
  • 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:48.070
  • DO, FOR BEING OBEDIENT TO GOD
  • 00:23:48.070 --> 00:23:49.260
  • AND GETTING OUT OF ENTERTAINMENT
  • 00:23:49.260 --> 00:23:51.090
  • AND DOING SOMETHING REALLY
  • 00:23:51.090 --> 00:23:53.010
  • JUST BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:56.020
  • NO DIS ON ENTERTAINMENT, BUT I'M
  • 00:23:56.020 --> 00:23:56.260
  • JUST GRATEFUL FOR YOUR OBEDIENCE
  • 00:23:56.260 --> 00:23:58.000
  • AND FOR YOU BEING WILLING TO
  • 00:23:58.110 --> 00:24:01.130
  • COME IN HERE AND TALK
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  • ABOUT ONE OF THE GREATEST
  • 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.190
  • THINGS I'VE EVER HEARD
  • 00:24:02.190 --> 00:24:03.060
  • OF, PRISON FELLOWSHIP.
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  • THANK YOU.
  • 00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:04.040
  • - JAMES: I'M HAPPY TO
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  • COME ANYTIME.
  • 00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:05.040
  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:24:05.040 --> 00:24:05.220
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.000
  • - MAX LUCADO: THE JOY THAT GOD
  • 00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:19.150
  • OFFERS BEGINS WITH A HEALTHY
  • 00:24:19.150 --> 00:24:20.050
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR MAKER AND
  • 00:24:20.050 --> 00:24:21.030
  • A PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF OUR
  • 00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:22.250
  • WORLD, WHILE WE'RE HERE, AND THE
  • 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:23.180
  • WORLD VIEW THAT HE TEACHES.
  • 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:24.190
  • - RAY COMFORT: AND ONLY GOD IS
  • 00:24:24.190 --> 00:24:25.110
  • MORALLY EXCELLENT, AND
  • 00:24:25.110 --> 00:24:27.180
  • EVERYTHING FALLS SHORT OF THAT
  • 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.180
  • STANDARD, AND THAT'S THE
  • 00:24:28.180 --> 00:24:30.020
  • STANDARD WE'RE GONNA BE JUDGED
  • 00:24:30.020 --> 00:24:30.250
  • WITH ON JUDGMENT DAY, AND THAT'S
  • 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:32.090