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A Father's Love

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December 22, 2019
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Your World with Creflo

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A Father's Love

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  • Creflo Dollar: Hello, I'm Creflo Dollar,
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  • and welcome to a very special edition of "Your World."
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  • You know, most of the year, we focus only on surviving
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  • the day-to-day chaos.
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  • Now, we are on this season of year when we should be focused
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  • on those who are most important to us,
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  • our family, our friends, and most importantly, God.
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  • Let us remember, the most important gift that we will ever
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  • receive is the sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf.
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  • His grace and forgiveness are eternal and know no limits.
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  • Would you share that love and grace from God
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  • with whomever you encounter this season?
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  • Today, I want to also encourage you to rest in his peace and
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  • protection as you spend time with your loved ones.
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  • From Pastor Taffi and myself, and from all of us
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  • at Creflo Dollar Ministries, have a merry Christmas.
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  • We love you and we are thankful for the inspiration and
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  • blessings that we have been able to share with you.
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  • male announcer: Coming up next on "Your World":
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  • Creflo: Where was Ike Jr the night of the shooting?
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  • Ike Brown: The night of the shooting,
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  • he went to visit one of his old high school buddies.
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  • When they would come into town from a break from school,
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  • they would all get together.
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  • But this particular night, another young man
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  • decided to rob him.
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  • He pulled out a pistol and he shot all of the boys.
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  • He killed my son instantly.
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  • He killed his friend that was with him.
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  • Creflo: You go into the trial and you get the opportunity
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  • to see the individual who is responsible
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  • for your son being dead.
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  • Tell us about that.
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  • Ike: Well, I'll tell ya, that's one of the agonizing
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  • parts, is the trial.
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  • And he comes out the first time, you know,
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  • I saw him, and I tell you, when I saw him,
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  • I just loved him, you know?
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  • Creflo: Really?
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  • Ike: I just didn't understand it.
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  • And I even asked God, "What's wrong with me?"
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  • Changing one life, time after time.
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  • Oh, Lord, we do it all for you.
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  • Through the trials I see,
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  • I'll always believe a new life starts with you.
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  • Oh, change your world today.
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  • Change is gonna come your way.
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  • Change, and get an understanding
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  • his grace will transform you.
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  • [audience applauding]
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  • Creflo: Now, my guest today is a retired police officer
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  • who answered a knock at his door one day several years ago
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  • to find several of his coworkers,
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  • including the police chaplain, awaiting him.
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  • Now, when they gave him the news that his oldest son
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  • had been murdered, his life changed forever.
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  • He's here to tell us his story with an ending
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  • that will surprise you.
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  • Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Officer
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  • Ike Brown to the show today.
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  • Ike, thank you so much.
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  • Ike: Thank you, sir. Honor to be here.
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  • Creflo: God bless you. So glad that you're here.
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  • Tell us about your son, Ike Jr.
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  • Ike: Special young man,
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  • and I'm sure everybody feels the same way,
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  • you know, the firstborn, the first one to go off to college.
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  • Just a great, great son.
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  • I called him, "The perfect son."
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  • Creflo: Where was Ike Jr the night of the shooting?
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  • Ike: The night of the shooting,
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  • he was home for the Memorial Day weekend,
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  • and he went to visit one of his old high school buddies.
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  • When they would come into town from a break from school,
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  • they would all get together.
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  • But they were either at my house or his friend's house.
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  • But this particular time, his friend had his own place,
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  • and so they were there visiting him and one of his best friends,
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  • and they'd just kinda sit around and play video games.
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  • Creflo: So, could you tell us the detail of the shooting?
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  • Ike: This particular night, they were there.
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  • The friend that they were visiting,
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  • he'd started sellin' marijuana, but he was my son,
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  • and his best friend, they were all buddies.
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  • And when they would come home, they would get together.
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  • And this particular night, another young man decided to rob
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  • him of those drugs, you know, figure,
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  • "Hey, you can't call the police and tell them I took your drugs,
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  • so I'm gonna take it."
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  • But unfortunately, when he got there,
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  • my son was there, and his best friend was there.
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  • And of course, they, you know, on the phone,
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  • and they kind eggin' ya on, "Hurry up, it's takin' too long.
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  • Hurry up, hurry up."
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  • And instead of sayin', "No," he pulled out a pistol
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  • and he shot all of the boys.
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  • He killed my son instantly, he killed his friend that was with
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  • him, and he shot the one that he intended to rob,
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  • but he was sitting on the sofa kinda at a angle.
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  • He survived, you know, fortunately, he did survive.
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  • But my son and his friend was killed.
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  • male: Police say it all happened here on Town Square Drive.
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  • Three friends were playing video games at the home
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  • of one of their girlfriends.
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  • Another man was there too, police say.
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  • He's now charged with two counts of murder.
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  • Police say it looks like the two men that were killed,
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  • 21-year-old Ike Brown, Jr, and 21-year-old Jeffrey Hicks didn't
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  • know their killer all that well.
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  • male: These fellas don't have any connection to our shooter.
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  • They don't have any connection to anybody except Gavin Berry,
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  • who they were visiting.
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  • And that's why I'm making that point,
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  • is that, you know, it just seems to be that they were just in the
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  • wrong place at the wrong time.
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  • male: Mr. Berry, how many gunshots do you think you heard?
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  • Gavin Berry: At least seven.
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  • female: Gavin Berry described what it was like seeing his two
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  • best friends shot to death in his home back in May 2002.
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  • Prosecutors say this man, Takoya Criner,
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  • pulled the trigger.
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  • male: He was sitting in the back portion of this room,
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  • armed with a .380 caliber firearm.
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  • female: Jeffrey Hicks, Isaac Brown, Jr,
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  • and Berry played video games. Criner sat back.
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  • They say he pulled out a gun and started shooting.
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  • male: Gavin Berry will tell you the next thing he knows is,
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  • "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop," all successive gunfire
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  • in rapid succession.
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  • female: Hicks' and Brown's family sat in the front row of
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  • the courtroom, listening to every word.
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  • Brown's father, a Jacksonville Sheriff's officer,
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  • left when graphic details of the murder scene were played out.
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  • Creflo: Let's go into the trial.
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  • I mean, this is, you know, your namesake is gone.
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  • And you go into the trial and you get the opportunity
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  • to see the individual who is responsible
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  • for your son being dead.
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  • Tell us about that.
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  • Ike: Well, I'll tell ya, that's one of the agonizing parts,
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  • is the trial.
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  • And bein' a police officer, and a lot of people don't
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  • understand, but it don't happen overnight.
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  • It took 3 years for it to go to trial.
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  • And he comes out the first time, you know,
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  • I saw him, and I'll tell you, when I saw him,
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  • I just loved him, you know?
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  • Creflo: Really?
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  • Ike: I wasn't angry. I couldn't hate.
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  • I just didn't understand it.
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  • I mean, I even asked God, "What's wrong with me?
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  • You know, what kind of father am I?
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  • You know, why don't I hate this boy?
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  • Why don't I have these feelings I thought I was gonna have?
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  • Why don't I feel the way I supposed to feel, you know?"
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  • And they just never happened.
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  • He's just a good, clean-cut kid I'm lookin' at,
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  • and I just loved him.
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  • Creflo: And there was love in your heart.
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  • Ike: Instantly, you know?
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  • Creflo: Really?
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  • Ike: None of those feelings I thought
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  • I was gonna have, you know?
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  • And when I would get off by myself,
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  • I'm like, "Man, what's wrong with me?
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  • What's wrong with me?
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  • You know, why don't I feel like this?"
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  • And understand, everybody don't feel the way you feel.
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  • Creflo: When was the first time you had an opportunity
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  • to communicate to him?
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  • Ike: The first time I got the opportunity to commute,
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  • the trial had ended.
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  • And after the trial, before sentencin',
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  • they let, you know, all the family members get up
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  • and speak and have their piece.
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  • So, you have three families sittin' out there,
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  • and they good folks, they Christian folks,
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  • and they mad folks, you know?
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  • They're angry, you know?
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  • "You've taken something from me."
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  • And so, one after the other, people spoke,
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  • "I hate you. I want you to burn in hell."
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  • You know, "I wanna pull the switch.
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  • You don't deserve to live.
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  • You're useless, you're a waste of breath,"
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  • and just one after the other.
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  • And the more I sat there, the more it hurt me.
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  • You know, you're just hearin' this,
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  • just after the other, you know, just beatin' ya,
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  • beatin' ya, beatin' him down.
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  • And then finally, I got up to speak.
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  • And when I got up, I told him, I said,
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  • "The first thing I want you to know
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  • that forgivin' you was easy.
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  • That's not even an issue."
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  • You know, I said, "I want you to know that as long
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  • as you've made it right with God, you all right,
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  • as long as you all right with him."
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  • I said, "Man'll be mad at ya from now on,
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  • but when you make peace with God, you all right,
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  • regardless of the circumstances of what has happened."
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  • I told him because of his choice,
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  • it landed us in this courtroom.
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  • And I said, "Every choice has a consequence,
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  • whether good or bad."
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  • But I told him because of his choice, we're here.
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  • And I said, "Now, whatever happens,
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  • from this point on, I want you to know God is with you.
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  • Wherever you end up, whatever you gotta go through."
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  • He hadn't been sentenced yet.
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  • I didn't know what the sentence was gonna be,
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  • but I let him know that wherever he end up,
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  • God'll be with him. God can bless him.
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  • He can accept Christ as his Savior.
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  • I'll see him in glory.
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  • And I wanted him to know that, and I told him that I love him,
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  • and I just wished the best for him.
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  • Creflo: Man, that's powerful. Did he--?
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  • What type of emotional response, if any,
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  • did he display as you were saying that to him?
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  • Ike: I could see in his eyes, he did not speak,
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  • but I could hear the voice in his eyes just sayin',
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  • "Thank you."
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  • I felt like he had a relief to know that somebody in that
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  • courtroom besides your immediate family love you regardless
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  • of the circumstance, and I meant it,
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  • you know, and I wanted him to know that.
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  • And I felt like maybe he had a little comfort and peace at such
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  • a terrible moment to know that,
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  • "Hey, you know, somebody loves me."
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  • And most of all, "Man, God loves me."
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  • female: Channel 4 cameras are rolling when emotions from
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  • inside the courtroom spill out into the hallway after a jury
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  • finds Takoya Criner guilty of first-degree murder.
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  • female: We the jury find the defendant guilty of first-degree
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  • murder as charged in the indictment.
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  • female: Criner's family, so stricken with emotion,
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  • they can hardly stand.
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  • Brown's father, who was a Jacksonville sheriff's officer,
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  • was in the courtroom every day.
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  • Ike: I'm just glad the week is over.
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  • I'm glad it's over and I can find some peace.
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  • Creflo: Now, I heard you wrote a letter to him.
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  • Tell us about that.
  • 00:11:56.230 --> 00:11:58.040
  • Ike: Well, I wrote many letters to him,
  • 00:11:58.050 --> 00:12:01.040
  • and I would just throw 'em away, you know?
  • 00:12:01.050 --> 00:12:03.230
  • He was always on my mind.
  • 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.080
  • I was always prayin' for him, always wanted to know
  • 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:07.040
  • how he was doin'.
  • 00:12:07.050 --> 00:12:08.160
  • But then when I would write the letter,
  • 00:12:08.170 --> 00:12:09.290
  • I would say, "Man, you know, he don't wanna hear from me."
  • 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.190
  • You know, "I don't know if I'd wanna hear from me."
  • 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.220
  • You know, I'm servin' three life sentences, you know?
  • 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:17.030
  • And so, one day, I said, "I'm gonna write it,
  • 00:12:17.040 --> 00:12:21.000
  • and I'm gonna mail it."
  • 00:12:21.010 --> 00:12:22.110
  • And I wrote that letter, and I said to him,
  • 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.010
  • "This is Mr. Brown, you know,
  • 00:12:24.020 --> 00:12:25.110
  • I hope things are as well as they can be."
  • 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.160
  • I said, "I want you to know I'm prayin' for ya.
  • 00:12:27.170 --> 00:12:29.260
  • You're always in my prayers."
  • 00:12:29.270 --> 00:12:31.060
  • And I shared some of Joseph's life with him,
  • 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:34.050
  • that even in prison, you can be blessed,
  • 00:12:34.060 --> 00:12:37.090
  • and regardless of the circumstance.
  • 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:39.180
  • And I wanted to assure him that God loved him
  • 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:43.270
  • and that I loved him, and so I shared that with him.
  • 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:47.260
  • And at the end of the letter, I said,
  • 00:12:47.270 --> 00:12:49.190
  • "I need to ask you for a favor."
  • 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.110
  • I said, "I miss Ike Jr," and I said, "if you will, I'd like you
  • 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:56.220
  • to fill in for him till we all get to heaven."
  • 00:12:56.230 --> 00:13:00.070
  • Creflo: Wow. Wow.
  • 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.260
  • [audience applauding]
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  • Creflo: Was there any knowledge of how he responded
  • 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:10.210
  • when that letter reached him?
  • 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:12.280
  • Ike: When that letter reached him, it's pretty amazing.
  • 00:13:12.290 --> 00:13:16.080
  • The day he got the letter, they were sittin' in a rec room,
  • 00:13:16.090 --> 00:13:19.200
  • watchin' football, and the officer came up to him and say,
  • 00:13:19.210 --> 00:13:23.210
  • "Hey, Criner, you got a letter," and he said he turnt that
  • 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:27.020
  • letter, and when he saw my name, he got afraid,
  • 00:13:27.030 --> 00:13:30.210
  • and he said he figured, "Oh, this is it now," you know?
  • 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:34.150
  • "Forget you love me and forgive me."
  • 00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:37.020
  • He said he just knew he was fixin' to get it.
  • 00:13:37.030 --> 00:13:39.070
  • And so he called one of his friends and said,
  • 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.090
  • "Hey, come up to my cell.
  • 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:43.070
  • I need you to read this letter for me."
  • 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.260
  • And he said he gave this friend the letter
  • 00:13:45.270 --> 00:13:47.290
  • and he said he turned his back.
  • 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:49.200
  • He didn't even wanna look at him while he read it
  • 00:13:49.210 --> 00:13:51.090
  • 'cause he knew he was fixin' to get it.
  • 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:53.190
  • And he said he's standing there, and the guy opened the letter,
  • 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.140
  • and he's not sayin' anything.
  • 00:13:56.150 --> 00:13:58.170
  • And he said, you know, "Come on, let me have it.
  • 00:13:58.180 --> 00:14:00.260
  • Go ahead, what is it sayin'?"
  • 00:14:00.270 --> 00:14:03.230
  • And he said, the guy, he still didn't say nothin'.
  • 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.050
  • He said, "And then I turned to him
  • 00:14:06.060 --> 00:14:07.270
  • and I asked him, 'What's wrong?'"
  • 00:14:07.280 --> 00:14:09.070
  • And he said, "And he's standin' there cryin'."
  • 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:10.200
  • And he hands him the letter back and he says,
  • 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:12.160
  • "I can't read this. This is for you."
  • 00:14:12.170 --> 00:14:15.240
  • And his friend walks out the room.
  • 00:14:15.250 --> 00:14:18.050
  • He said and then when he read the letter,
  • 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:21.260
  • he was so overjoyed.
  • 00:14:21.270 --> 00:14:23.230
  • He could not believe that, "Wow, maybe he did meant what he say."
  • 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:29.020
  • You know, "Maybe he did love me."
  • 00:14:29.030 --> 00:14:30.150
  • He was so glad to hear from me. He never thought he would.
  • 00:14:30.160 --> 00:14:32.270
  • He always wanted to.
  • 00:14:32.280 --> 00:14:34.110
  • And he was so grateful to get that letter.
  • 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.250
  • And of course, when he responded back,
  • 00:14:37.260 --> 00:14:40.080
  • I too was grateful that I finally got up the courage
  • 00:14:40.090 --> 00:14:44.050
  • to mail that letter to him.
  • 00:14:44.060 --> 00:14:46.180
  • Creflo: So, that started the relationship now?
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:49.050
  • Ike: Yes, sir.
  • 00:14:49.060 --> 00:14:53.210
  • Creflo: You know, you can talk love,
  • 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:57.060
  • and then you can demonstrate it.
  • 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:59.100
  • And, man, you are teaching us today of what it means
  • 00:14:59.110 --> 00:15:04.050
  • to submit and yield to the real love of God.
  • 00:15:04.060 --> 00:15:08.160
  • How has the relationship grown to where it is today?
  • 00:15:08.170 --> 00:15:11.280
  • And, you know, now you're writing one another.
  • 00:15:11.290 --> 00:15:15.130
  • Did the relationship take another step?
  • 00:15:15.140 --> 00:15:17.170
  • Ike: I couldn't go see him.
  • 00:15:17.180 --> 00:15:19.120
  • If I would go to the prison, they wouldn't allow me to see
  • 00:15:19.130 --> 00:15:22.280
  • him because, you know, they can't have contact
  • 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:25.090
  • with the victims of a crime.
  • 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:28.170
  • And I said, "I wonder what we can do about this."
  • 00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:31.100
  • And I said, "I wonder if an adult can adopt an adult."
  • 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:36.210
  • And so, I began to check around, and I began to ask,
  • 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:40.060
  • and talked to a couple of attorneys,
  • 00:15:40.070 --> 00:15:42.140
  • and they said, "Well, yeah, I guess you can."
  • 00:15:42.150 --> 00:15:45.050
  • Of course, certain things have to come into play,
  • 00:15:45.060 --> 00:15:47.070
  • and you have to see how, you know,
  • 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.290
  • his side of the family feel about it.
  • 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.280
  • You know, I didn't know if he had a dad or who he was,
  • 00:15:51.290 --> 00:15:54.150
  • and so, you couldn't just do that.
  • 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:57.110
  • And I said, "Well, whether I can do it legally on paper,
  • 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:02.080
  • or whether I'll just claim him as my own,
  • 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:05.120
  • it's gonna be done."
  • 00:16:05.130 --> 00:16:07.020
  • And in that letter, that first letter he wrote back to me,
  • 00:16:07.030 --> 00:16:10.120
  • he said, "Mr. Brown, you asked me for a favor.
  • 00:16:10.130 --> 00:16:13.180
  • You asked me if I could fill in for Ike Jr."
  • 00:16:13.190 --> 00:16:17.240
  • He said, "In no way am I qualified,
  • 00:16:17.250 --> 00:16:19.180
  • but if you'll have me, from this point on,
  • 00:16:19.190 --> 00:16:22.020
  • you're my dad, and I'm your son."
  • 00:16:22.030 --> 00:16:24.090
  • Creflo: Man.
  • 00:16:24.100 --> 00:16:27.230
  • Ike: You know, that broke me there.
  • 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.150
  • You know, here I was, sittin' in a police car.
  • 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:33.100
  • You know, I'm in my uniform. You know, I'm this tough guy.
  • 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:36.210
  • You know, I'm the SWAT team, and,
  • 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:38.270
  • you know, I was assigned--you know,
  • 00:16:38.280 --> 00:16:40.110
  • I was with the US Marshals Fugitive Task Force,
  • 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.230
  • and I ain't cry, you know?
  • 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.110
  • But there I was, you know, I mean, ugly cryin', you know?
  • 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.160
  • You know, I was so overjoyed, you know, tears of joy.
  • 00:16:49.170 --> 00:16:53.020
  • And so, from that point on, we just,
  • 00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:55.000
  • we have a great, you know, relationship.
  • 00:16:55.010 --> 00:16:57.130
  • Creflo: You know, when you look at things like this,
  • 00:16:57.140 --> 00:16:59.270
  • it's one thing to read about it and have Bible study over it,
  • 00:16:59.280 --> 00:17:04.170
  • but it's another thing to meet people who actually walk it out.
  • 00:17:04.180 --> 00:17:08.170
  • It's another thing to meet a living epistle.
  • 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:11.210
  • See, this speaks volumes.
  • 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.060
  • This speaks more than me turning to a Scripture.
  • 00:17:13.070 --> 00:17:17.110
  • But sharing what I'm sure most people would think,
  • 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:21.050
  • "Well, I could never do that."
  • 00:17:21.060 --> 00:17:23.090
  • And I'm sure at one time that you probably thought,
  • 00:17:23.100 --> 00:17:25.030
  • "I could never do that."
  • 00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:26.130
  • Ike: Yes, sir.
  • 00:17:26.140 --> 00:17:27.230
  • Creflo: But that just shows you the power
  • 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.030
  • of God's unmerited favor.
  • 00:17:29.040 --> 00:17:30.160
  • And I don't believe it's over with for you.
  • 00:17:30.170 --> 00:17:32.030
  • I think you're just gonna be walkin' in a string of an
  • 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:35.160
  • abundance of God's unmerited favor.
  • 00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:37.230
  • Ike: Well, I'll tell ya, I definitely receive that,
  • 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.280
  • and I will say this, Dr. Dollar.
  • 00:17:41.290 --> 00:17:44.140
  • I hope it's all right.
  • 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:45.260
  • You have no idea, but I went to see him last week,
  • 00:17:45.270 --> 00:17:51.080
  • and I said, "Hey, you know, man, I'm goin' to Atlanta."
  • 00:17:51.090 --> 00:17:54.150
  • You said it's one thing to open a Scripture and teach,
  • 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:59.250
  • but, you see, you did open a Scripture,
  • 00:17:59.260 --> 00:18:03.230
  • and you taught Takoya.
  • 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.260
  • When I told him, I said,
  • 00:18:05.270 --> 00:18:07.100
  • "Hey, man, I'm goin' to talk with Dr. Dollar."
  • 00:18:07.110 --> 00:18:10.250
  • And he said, "I grew up in that church."
  • 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:14.100
  • Creflo: Wow.
  • 00:18:14.110 --> 00:18:16.130
  • Ike: "As a young man, that's where mom took me,
  • 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:19.220
  • and I heard that Word."
  • 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:21.050
  • So, you see, Dr. Dollar, you instilled that Word in him.
  • 00:18:21.060 --> 00:18:28.010
  • Yeah, they get off the path every now and then,
  • 00:18:28.020 --> 00:18:31.120
  • but he had your teaching.
  • 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:34.210
  • He remembered that Word, and he knew that God is God,
  • 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:40.050
  • and he forgives us.
  • 00:18:40.060 --> 00:18:41.260
  • He don't hold our faults against us.
  • 00:18:41.270 --> 00:18:43.190
  • He don't hold our mistakes against us.
  • 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.200
  • And he knew that he was forgiven,
  • 00:18:45.210 --> 00:18:49.030
  • and he remembered your teachin', and he said,
  • 00:18:49.040 --> 00:18:53.110
  • "Tell Dr. Dollar, 'Thank you,'" you know?
  • 00:18:53.120 --> 00:18:57.240
  • And I didn't know that at the time.
  • 00:18:57.250 --> 00:19:00.060
  • I had no idea that he grew up right here at World Changers,
  • 00:19:00.070 --> 00:19:05.070
  • listenin' to you.
  • 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:06.200
  • Creflo: Wow, and even though, you know,
  • 00:19:06.210 --> 00:19:09.070
  • some people are more in prison on the outside of jail,
  • 00:19:09.080 --> 00:19:16.010
  • where others have a freedom on the inside.
  • 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:20.140
  • And I know what everybody say. I know what the cynic says.
  • 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:23.260
  • I know all that other kinda stuff, but I also know God.
  • 00:19:23.270 --> 00:19:28.010
  • And it's just, you know, it's just tellin' what will happen,
  • 00:19:28.020 --> 00:19:33.030
  • and I just choose to believe that.
  • 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:35.110
  • But this is supernatural love, man.
  • 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:37.050
  • I don't think you do this out of the natural.
  • 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:40.040
  • I think it takes through supernatural love,
  • 00:19:40.050 --> 00:19:42.000
  • and you are a demonstration of walking in
  • 00:19:42.010 --> 00:19:45.040
  • that supernatural love.
  • 00:19:45.050 --> 00:19:46.160
  • And he is a demonstration of walkin' in
  • 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:48.290
  • that supernatural love.
  • 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.180
  • To adopt the murderer of your son,
  • 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:55.290
  • I'm tellin' you, that's blowin' my mind,
  • 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.190
  • but not if you know Jesus.
  • 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:03.090
  • This is typical of who Jesus is, and it makes me love him even
  • 00:20:03.100 --> 00:20:08.040
  • more, that he can supernaturally place that love on the inside
  • 00:20:08.050 --> 00:20:12.130
  • of you, that his will can be done.
  • 00:20:12.140 --> 00:20:15.000
  • And I sit here amazed, and I am so thankful for your testimony.
  • 00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:19.290
  • Man, it truly touches my life.
  • 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.050
  • Man, I put myself in your shoes, and I ask myself,
  • 00:20:22.060 --> 00:20:26.030
  • "Lord, can I do what Ike did?"
  • 00:20:26.040 --> 00:20:29.090
  • And maybe not in the natural, but that same God,
  • 00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:34.000
  • that same supernatural love, if it comes over anybody,
  • 00:20:34.010 --> 00:20:38.090
  • God knows how to break you down, and he knows how to flow through
  • 00:20:38.100 --> 00:20:42.210
  • you, to the point where you have to look in the mirror at times
  • 00:20:42.220 --> 00:20:46.130
  • and say, "Who am I?"
  • 00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:48.130
  • It was God's supernatural love, his love operating in you,
  • 00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:51.270
  • so you could love the very way God loved you.
  • 00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:55.160
  • And that's what I really want our television audience to get,
  • 00:20:55.170 --> 00:20:58.050
  • that God's supernatural love can love what's not lovely.
  • 00:20:58.060 --> 00:21:03.200
  • God's supernatural love puts us in a position where,
  • 00:21:03.210 --> 00:21:07.160
  • if we can believe the love that God has for us,
  • 00:21:07.170 --> 00:21:11.240
  • then we'll be free to love that way.
  • 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:14.050
  • But when we don't believe that God loves us,
  • 00:21:14.060 --> 00:21:17.090
  • and we think somehow that God hates us,
  • 00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:20.240
  • literally, you'll begin to rebel against this thing.
  • 00:21:20.250 --> 00:21:23.240
  • What causes people to rebel against God and his Word?
  • 00:21:23.250 --> 00:21:28.030
  • They don't believe his love.
  • 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:29.170
  • As we begin to focus in on that love and we begin to receive it
  • 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:33.290
  • and we begin to believe that love--you know,
  • 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.180
  • there are times in my life, and I can remember some of the
  • 00:21:36.190 --> 00:21:39.050
  • roughest times in my life, it wasn't a lot of Scriptures that
  • 00:21:39.060 --> 00:21:42.010
  • brought me through.
  • 00:21:42.020 --> 00:21:43.130
  • It was me focusin' on this one thing: God loves me,
  • 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:46.190
  • and I know it.
  • 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:47.290
  • I believe in that love.
  • 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:49.090
  • God has a love for me.
  • 00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:50.190
  • And I believe faith in that love,
  • 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.190
  • you can teach about it, you can meditate on it.
  • 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.260
  • But to see it as a living epistle and how it's impacted
  • 00:21:54.270 --> 00:21:59.180
  • his life, and he has a father.
  • 00:21:59.190 --> 00:22:03.120
  • I mean, he sits back and he says,
  • 00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:05.090
  • "God's unmerited favor, I didn't deserve Ike,
  • 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:11.120
  • but God gave him to me anyway.
  • 00:22:11.130 --> 00:22:13.290
  • What did I do to deserve a father?"
  • 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.100
  • Ike: And I'll tell ya, I feel like I'm the one that's blessed
  • 00:22:17.110 --> 00:22:22.030
  • because I have a son to hold onto
  • 00:22:22.040 --> 00:22:25.080
  • until we do all get to glory.
  • 00:22:25.090 --> 00:22:27.040
  • I'm so grateful that God has done this for me
  • 00:22:27.050 --> 00:22:31.070
  • and I'm just wonderfully blessed.
  • 00:22:31.080 --> 00:22:35.190
  • Creflo: Ike, it was a pleasure to meet you.
  • 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.070
  • You've blessed my life.
  • 00:22:38.080 --> 00:22:40.130
  • Ike: I'm so blessed. I'm tellin' ya, I'm so blessed.
  • 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:43.100
  • Creflo: I wanna give you somethin' to mark this time
  • 00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:45.090
  • that we spent together today.
  • 00:22:45.100 --> 00:22:47.020
  • I often--I don't give 'em on every show,
  • 00:22:47.030 --> 00:22:48.170
  • but I often give 'em, and it says: "To Ike Brown:
  • 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:51.040
  • I, Ike Brown accept this grace covenant provided to me
  • 00:22:51.050 --> 00:22:53.230
  • by Creflo Dollar and agree with the following statements.
  • 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.190
  • I believe Jesus loves me and nothing will ever change that.
  • 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.120
  • I believe that grace in the person of Jesus Christ has
  • 00:23:00.130 --> 00:23:02.280
  • already provided everything I will ever need to have a
  • 00:23:02.290 --> 00:23:05.140
  • healthy, fulfilling, and prosperous life.
  • 00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:08.050
  • I believe everything in my past is in my past.
  • 00:23:08.060 --> 00:23:10.190
  • Jesus has chosen not to remember it,
  • 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.150
  • and neither will I.
  • 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.270
  • I will daily proclaim I'm the righteousness of God.
  • 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:16.260
  • I will daily live by the belief of understanding grace and
  • 00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:19.170
  • empowering change to better equip for myself for success and
  • 00:23:19.180 --> 00:23:22.240
  • to better serve those individuals around me.
  • 00:23:22.250 --> 00:23:25.160
  • And I will daily flood my life with the Word of God and the
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  • praises of his saints."
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  • And I'm gonna put my John Hancock here,
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  • and I want you to sign your name right above "the righteousness
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  • of God," because that's who you are, Ike.
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  • I thank God for ya, man, thank God.
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  • Don't you appreciate Ike Brown today?
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  • He's amazing, wow.
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  • Now, if that's a perfect model of God's love for us,
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  • I don't know what is.
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  • God's Son lost his life because of our sins,
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  • and yet God forgives us and adopts us into his family.
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  • You know, God gave Ike a supernatural agape love
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  • for Takoya that even he can't understand.
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  • And his story has really shown us what God's love looks like
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  • displayed right here on earth.
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  • You know, sometimes it's hard for us to understand how God
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  • can look past our sins and all that we've done wrong
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  • and still love us the way he does.
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  • Today, I want you to grasp just how much God loves you
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  • and how he wants to open his arms to you and welcome you
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  • into an eternity with him.
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  • I've put together some tools that I think will really help
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  • you understand just how much God loves you,
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  • no matter how many times you might have messed up.
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  • announcer: It's human nature to want revenge,
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  • to seek retribution against the person who caused you pain.
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  • "I'll get you back."
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  • "You'll pay for what you did to me."
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  • "I'll never forgive you for this."
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  • These thoughts torture you and cause sickness,
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  • stress, and worse.
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  • Sound familiar?
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  • And so, retaliation seems like the only thing to do,
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  • but you'll find revenge comes at a price.
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  • Instead of making you feel good, it'll backfire,
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  • leaving you empty, guilty, and more unhappy
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  • than you were before.
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  • So, now what? Is there a better way?
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  • Today, you met Ike Brown, whose son was brutally murdered
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  • by a stranger.
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  • But instead of plotting revenge against his son's killer,
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  • Brown opened his heart to the power of forgiveness,
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  • even adopting his son's killer as his own child.
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  • Maybe you're in a similar situation,
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  • where someone has hurt you, and more than anything,
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  • you want to get even with them or make them hurt
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  • as much as they hurt you.
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  • But can you move from such pain to a place of freedom
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  • just like Ike Brown did?
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  • It only comes from experiencing God's supernatural love for you.
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  • And that's exactly why Creflo has put together a special
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  • package just for you.
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  • When you call today to support this program,
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  • "The Shield of Love."
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  • These encouraging messages will show you
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  • that no matter what you've done, God loves you.
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  • He is on your side, and he will fight for you.
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  • This collection also includes the CD teaching "The Victorious
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  • Power of Love," which will help you trust God by developing
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  • a deep confidence in his love for you.
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  • When you fully understand his abiding love for you,
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  • you can rest in the knowledge that his plan for your life
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  • is perfect, even when you can't see it.
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  • And when you call right now, Creflo will send you today's
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  • complete, unedited interview as a free bonus.
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  • So, that's the 4-CD series, "The Shield of Love," the CD
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  • teaching, "The Victorious Power of Love," and today's complete
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  • It's time for you to step out of the clutches of anger and
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  • resentment and into the freedom that comes from forgiveness,
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  • and leaving the outcome of your circumstances up
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  • to God, call now.
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  • Creflo: Make sure to check us out on YourWorldWithCreflo.com,
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  • and we'll be right back here next week,
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  • same time, for another special peek into your world.
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  • I'll see you then.
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  • [audience applauding]
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