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February 13, 2018
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Adventures with God

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  • - Darren Wilson: For 10 years,
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  • I've traveled the world in an
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  • attempt to film God touching
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  • people's lives, and I've
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  • captured some of the most
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  • incredible moments of faith and
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  • miracles ever caught on film,
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  • but I've discovered that faith
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  • is as much about questions as it
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  • is answers, as much mystery as
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  • it is certainty, so I wanna take
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  • you on a new adventure.
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  • Together, we'll wrestle with big
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  • questions about God, but we'll
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  • also see faith in its purest
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  • form.
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  • It's time to face our questions
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  • head-on.
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  • It's time to see proof that God
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  • exists.
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  • It's time for "Adventures with
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  • - Darren: It was always the
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  • scariest possibility for me, the
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  • thing that kept me from ever
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  • stepping out and praying for
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  • someone in a bold way: What if,
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  • when I prayed, nothing happened?
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  • One of the things many people
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  • don't often realize with my
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  • films is that, for every amazing
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  • God encounter you see, there are
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  • many times where we pray for
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  • people, and absolutely nothing
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  • happens.
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  • I just don't usually put those
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  • in the films because, well, who
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  • wants to watch that?
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  • But I do think it's important to
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  • acknowledge that even the people
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  • in my films face failure on a
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  • daily basis.
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  • The question from many, I've
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  • discovered, is "What do you do
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  • - male: Sir?
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  • - male: Yes.
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  • - male: Hi, how are you?
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  • - male: Well.
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  • - male: You speak English good?
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  • - male: Yes, yes.
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  • - male: Good.
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  • You're blind?
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  • You cannot see?
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  • No?
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  • - male: You, you--what you
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  • want?
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  • - male: I want to pray, want to
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  • pray for your eyes.
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  • - male: Okay.
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  • - male: Can I pray for your
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  • eyes?
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  • - male: For a few minutes.
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  • - male: For a few minutes.
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  • Okay, hold still.
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  • I pray for your eyes, okay?
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  • - male: Okay.
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  • - male: Okay, hold on.
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  • Father, I thank you right now.
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  • In Jesus' name, God, I thank you
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  • for brand-new eyes in my friend.
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  • God, thank you for brand-new
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  • eyes.
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  • Eyes, we command you, open,
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  • command you, see, right now.
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  • In Jesus' name, eyes, open right
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  • now.
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  • Father, I thank you in the name
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  • of Jesus, God, that you would
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  • open these eyes of this
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  • beautiful man.
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  • Eyes, we command you, open right
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  • now.
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  • God, thank you that you love him
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  • so much.
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  • God, I thank you for clarity in
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  • his mind.
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  • I thank you for clarity.
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  • Thank you for clear thoughts,
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  • God.
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  • Father, I also thank you for
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  • brand-new knees in my friend, in
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  • Jesus' name.
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  • God, thank you for grace, Jesus'
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  • name.
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  • Thank you, Father.
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  • Jesus' name.
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  • Can you open?
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  • Can you open?
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  • - male: No, no.
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  • - male: You cannot open your
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  • eyes?
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  • - male: No, because, when I was
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  • baby, they're not open.
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  • - male: They're not open from a
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  • baby?
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  • - male: Yes, so it's difficult
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  • to open now.
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  • - male: No, so you can't even
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  • pull your eye open?
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  • You can't pull your eyelid open
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  • to see?
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  • - male: Not liftin' it, but I
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  • can't open it because I told you
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  • that--when I was baby.
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  • - male: Okay.
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  • - male: Okay.
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  • - male: Okay, can I hug you?
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  • I want to hug you.
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  • - male: Okay, you can.
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  • - male: I hug you.
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  • - male: Okay.
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  • - male: I love you.
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  • - male: Thanks very much.
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  • - male: Bless you, sir.
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  • Have a good day.
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  • Jesus loves you so much.
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  • - male: Okay, bye.
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  • - Darren: All right, so in this
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  • episode, we are looking at the
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  • question, "What do you do when
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  • nothing happens when you pray?"
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  • And this is actually one that I
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  • wanted to do all of last season.
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  • I couldn't find a spot for it,
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  • and so I made sure I got it into
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  • this season because, man, this
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  • drives people nuts, you know,
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  • especially--and I get it
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  • probably more than anybody
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  • because that people watch my
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  • films, and they see all the
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  • highlights of what we do, you
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  • know?
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  • You guys have all filmed with
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  • me, and it's like we go out, and
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  • they don't see all the stuff,
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  • all the times we fall, all the
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  • times we fail, all the time
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  • nothing happened.
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  • They just see all the really,
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  • really good stuff, and I think
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  • this is one of the biggest
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  • things keeping people from going
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  • after, kind of, the "more of
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  • God," you know, is this kind of
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  • fear of just him not showing up
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  • when they step out, right?
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  • And then, so they'll watch the
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  • movies, they'll watch the shows,
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  • whatever, and they get fired up,
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  • right?
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  • And they're like, "I'm gonna do
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  • this," like, "I'm gonna be just
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  • like Robby.
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  • I'm gonna be just like Todd.
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  • I'm gonna go out.
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  • I'm gonna do this thing."
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  • And they go out, and they try to
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  • pray for somebody and, like,
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  • just nothing happens right?
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  • It's, just, it's embarrassing,
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  • it's awkward, it just--the whole
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  • thing falls flat, and so I think
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  • it reinforces the thing which we
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  • all fight against with our
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  • ministries and everything we
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  • are, which is that "This is only
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  • for the chosen ones," right?
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  • "Only certain people can do
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  • this.
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  • Only the man of God can actually
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  • do this."
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  • - Shawn Bolz: You know, I've
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  • never had massive rejection.
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  • I don't have a rejection
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  • complex, so it's somethin' like
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  • a Labrador.
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  • So if somebody did reject me,
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  • I'd be like, "You wanna play
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  • now?"
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  • You know, like, I don't know,
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  • you know, but "I know you don't
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  • wanna throw the ball now, but
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  • how about now?"
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  • - Robby Dawkins: I can identify
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  • with that.
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  • - Shawn: I have had epic
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  • failures that didn't have any
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  • successful outcome, and we all
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  • live a lifestyle risk, and so I
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  • determined when I started this
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  • that I was going to live a
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  • lifestyle risk, which means I'm
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  • not measuring my success based
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  • on today.
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  • I'm measuring my success on how
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  • I love people, and especially
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  • 'cause I'm not a natural
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  • evangelist.
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  • I'm introverted.
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  • I wanna be away from people.
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  • I get on my phone on a plane,
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  • and I'm like, "Please, don't
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  • talk to me," to the person,
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  • right and left.
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  • I treat it like a urinal in a
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  • bathroom.
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  • Like, "Do not look my
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  • direction," like, "This is my
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  • space."
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  • So I know, when I feel compelled
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  • by love or compelled by
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  • compassion, it's worth taking
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  • the risk every time, and I fail,
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  • still, all the time.
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  • - Darren Davis: I think, you
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  • know, there's conviction around
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  • this table in what we believe.
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  • It's the reason we take risk and
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  • we do what we do 'cause I think
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  • we've come to a measure of
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  • understanding, as best we can,
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  • of the will of heaven, the will
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  • of God, and seein' that come to
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  • the earth, and the thing that
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  • I've learned is conviction is
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  • always tried, and if you really
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  • believe somethin', it's gonna be
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  • tested, and I think we're all in
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  • process, myself obviously
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  • included in that, as we grow and
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  • we mature in this journey, and I
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  • think Bill Johnson, would he say
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  • that the same people that get
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  • discouraged, when they step out,
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  • take a risk, and they don't see
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  • somethin' happen, they get
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  • bummed out, are the same ones
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  • that take credit for it when it
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  • - Darren Wilson: While filming
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  • my third movie, "Father of
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  • Lights," I traveled to Siberia
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  • with Robby Dawkins.
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  • We were planning on hitting the
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  • streets like we usually do, but,
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  • of course, there were a few
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  • - Darren: What're we doing
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  • here, Braden?
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  • Where are we, first of all?
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  • - Braden Heckman: We're in a
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  • conference.
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  • - Darren: Do we like
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  • conferences?
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  • - Braden: What?
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  • - Darren: Do we like
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  • conferences?
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  • - Braden: Not particularly.
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  • - Darren: What're we gonna do
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  • today?
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  • - Braden: Hang out and try to
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  • awkwardly sing along with the
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  • Russian worship songs and hear
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  • really how loud music makes our
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  • head feel really good.
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  • - Darren: How're you feeling
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  • today, by the way?
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  • Is making movies internationally
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  • all just fun and games, Braden?
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  • - Braden: Not if you get sick.
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  • Not if you get sick.
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  • Other than that, it's fine.
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  • - Darren: But being sick
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  • isn't--
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  • - Braden: If you get enough
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  • sleep, you don't get sick.
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  • - Darren: And so what if you
  • 00:07:37.030 --> 00:07:38.080
  • don't get enough sleep and do
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  • get sick?
  • 00:07:39.230 --> 00:07:41.060
  • - Braden: They kind of go after
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  • one another, basically.
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  • You get sick, you're probably
  • 00:07:46.070 --> 00:07:46.250
  • not gonna get enough sleep.
  • 00:07:46.250 --> 00:07:48.110
  • You don't get enough sleep, it's
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  • good chance you're gonna get
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  • sick.
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  • - Darren: Well, is Darren at
  • 00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:52.010
  • least gonna let you, like, not
  • 00:07:52.010 --> 00:07:53.010
  • have to work?
  • 00:07:53.010 --> 00:07:54.170
  • - Braden: He would if I express
  • 00:07:54.170 --> 00:07:56.000
  • wanting to stay in the hotel
  • 00:07:56.290 --> 00:07:59.290
  • room.
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  • - Darren: 'Cause he's pretty
  • 00:08:00.200 --> 00:08:01.110
  • amazing like that, right?
  • 00:08:01.110 --> 00:08:02.180
  • - Braden: Yeah, he's
  • 00:08:02.180 --> 00:08:03.230
  • understanding.
  • 00:08:03.230 --> 00:08:05.090
  • - Darren: And nice.
  • 00:08:05.090 --> 00:08:07.050
  • - Braden: Especially today
  • 00:08:07.050 --> 00:08:07.250
  • since--
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  • - Darren: He's pretty good
  • 00:08:08.180 --> 00:08:09.120
  • lookin' too, isn't he?
  • 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.170
  • - Braden: Oh, you're laughing!
  • 00:08:11.170 --> 00:08:13.270
  • - Darren: It was great till we
  • 00:08:13.270 --> 00:08:14.160
  • just found out in the car ride
  • 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:15.120
  • here that they've been telling
  • 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.070
  • everybody that we're a big-time
  • 00:08:17.050 --> 00:08:20.050
  • director from Hollywood.
  • 00:08:20.050 --> 00:08:22.040
  • - male: Not "we" are--you are.
  • 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:23.150
  • - Darren: Or I am.
  • 00:08:23.150 --> 00:08:25.050
  • Which is funny 'cause not really
  • 00:08:25.050 --> 00:08:27.150
  • big time, and I'm not from
  • 00:08:27.150 --> 00:08:28.290
  • Hollywood so--
  • 00:08:28.290 --> 00:08:30.080
  • - male: You're a small-time
  • 00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:31.140
  • director from Elgin.
  • 00:08:32.110 --> 00:08:35.110
  • - Darren: What're we doin'
  • 00:08:35.110 --> 00:08:37.150
  • right now?
  • 00:08:37.150 --> 00:08:38.240
  • - Matt Bilen: We are hitting
  • 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:39.190
  • the streets with evangelist
  • 00:08:39.190 --> 00:08:40.210
  • Robby Dawkins.
  • 00:08:40.210 --> 00:08:41.190
  • - Darren: Who's right there.
  • 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:43.210
  • - Matt: He just did a teaching
  • 00:08:43.210 --> 00:08:44.240
  • on, like, prophetic evangelism
  • 00:08:46.130 --> 00:08:49.130
  • to a crowd of about 50 or 60.
  • 00:08:49.130 --> 00:08:50.210
  • It was good.
  • 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:51.130
  • A lot of stories we've heard
  • 00:08:51.130 --> 00:08:52.120
  • before.
  • 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.000
  • - Darren: Did you learn
  • 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:53.220
  • anything?
  • 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:54.070
  • - Matt: Yeah, quite a bit.
  • 00:08:54.070 --> 00:08:54.240
  • Doesn't mean I'll do it 'cause
  • 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.050
  • I'm scared of things like that,
  • 00:08:56.050 --> 00:08:58.020
  • but, no, so he's got about 50,
  • 00:08:58.020 --> 00:09:00.200
  • 60 people hittin' the streets.
  • 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.240
  • He's mic'd up, so we'll see
  • 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.120
  • what happens.
  • 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.060
  • - Darren: So if he's praying
  • 00:09:07.060 --> 00:09:07.270
  • for somebody right now, why are
  • 00:09:07.270 --> 00:09:08.240
  • you not filming?
  • 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:09.210
  • - Matt: 'Cause you're talking
  • 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:10.110
  • to me!
  • 00:09:10.110 --> 00:09:13.000
  • And Brady's on this--
  • 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.250
  • - Darren: You take photos with
  • 00:09:15.250 --> 00:09:16.140
  • that thing?
  • 00:09:16.140 --> 00:09:17.140
  • - Matt: Mm-hmm.
  • 00:09:18.180 --> 00:09:21.180
  • - Darren: And there's Braden,
  • 00:09:21.180 --> 00:09:23.020
  • crouching.
  • 00:09:23.020 --> 00:09:24.290
  • We should probably-- "Crouching
  • 00:09:24.290 --> 00:09:25.180
  • Tiger, Hidden Dragon."
  • 00:09:25.180 --> 00:09:28.010
  • So here's Matt, and there's
  • 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:30.100
  • Braden filming the scene.
  • 00:09:30.190 --> 00:09:33.190
  • - Matt: Can you rack focus--
  • 00:09:33.190 --> 00:09:35.110
  • - Darren: I can't rack focus
  • 00:09:35.110 --> 00:09:35.290
  • with the iPhone.
  • 00:09:35.290 --> 00:09:36.180
  • - Matt: I know.
  • 00:09:36.180 --> 00:09:37.060
  • It's good.
  • 00:09:37.060 --> 00:09:37.270
  • That's a joke.
  • 00:09:37.270 --> 00:09:38.140
  • That's a technology joke.
  • 00:09:38.140 --> 00:09:39.160
  • - Darren: It's like Braden's
  • 00:09:39.160 --> 00:09:40.040
  • done.
  • 00:09:40.040 --> 00:09:41.000
  • Braden's walking away.
  • 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:42.140
  • - Matt: That's fine.
  • 00:09:42.140 --> 00:09:43.110
  • - Darren: He's listening.
  • 00:09:43.110 --> 00:09:44.140
  • Braden know what's going on.
  • 00:09:44.140 --> 00:09:45.140
  • His brain's actually the only
  • 00:09:45.140 --> 00:09:46.060
  • one who knows what's going on
  • 00:09:46.060 --> 00:09:46.280
  • 'cause he's listening.
  • 00:09:46.280 --> 00:09:48.020
  • This is it, folks.
  • 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.200
  • This is where the magic happens.
  • 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.070
  • - Robby Dawkins: It'll just be
  • 00:09:59.000 --> 00:09:59.190
  • a minute.
  • 00:09:59.190 --> 00:10:00.060
  • We'll take just a minute.
  • 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:01.050
  • - Deece: What's the minuto?
  • 00:10:01.050 --> 00:10:02.070
  • - Robby: Just a minute of your
  • 00:10:02.070 --> 00:10:02.260
  • time.
  • 00:10:02.280 --> 00:10:05.280
  • What's your name?
  • 00:10:05.280 --> 00:10:07.160
  • - Deece: Deece.
  • 00:10:07.160 --> 00:10:08.220
  • - Robby: Deece, do you mind
  • 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:09.270
  • just sitting here just for a
  • 00:10:09.270 --> 00:10:10.230
  • second?
  • 00:10:10.230 --> 00:10:11.150
  • Just for a second.
  • 00:10:11.150 --> 00:10:13.110
  • We'll try to do--we'll try to be
  • 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:14.100
  • quick.
  • 00:10:14.100 --> 00:10:14.260
  • Just right here.
  • 00:10:14.260 --> 00:10:15.160
  • I notice--what's the problem
  • 00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:17.110
  • with your leg, with your knee?
  • 00:10:17.110 --> 00:10:19.020
  • - Deece: It's a sport--
  • 00:10:19.050 --> 00:10:22.050
  • - Robby: Injury?
  • 00:10:22.050 --> 00:10:23.100
  • - Deece: Doing sport.
  • 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:24.030
  • Sport, you know, sport?
  • 00:10:24.030 --> 00:10:26.070
  • - Robby: Can we pray for it?
  • 00:10:26.070 --> 00:10:28.060
  • You know, Jesus can heal.
  • 00:10:32.190 --> 00:10:35.190
  • We prayed for a woman down here.
  • 00:10:36.050 --> 00:10:39.050
  • - male: He asks, "What is
  • 00:10:39.050 --> 00:10:40.160
  • required from me?"
  • 00:10:40.160 --> 00:10:42.240
  • - Robby: What?
  • 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.180
  • - male: "What is required from
  • 00:10:43.180 --> 00:10:44.110
  • me?"
  • 00:10:44.110 --> 00:10:44.290
  • - Robby: Nothing, just receive.
  • 00:10:44.290 --> 00:10:47.070
  • - male: He asks, "What is the
  • 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.230
  • church, the name of the church
  • 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:03.010
  • you are from?"
  • 00:11:03.010 --> 00:11:04.070
  • - Robby: Just a Vineyard
  • 00:11:04.070 --> 00:11:05.000
  • Church.
  • 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:06.190
  • Jesus has changed our lives so
  • 00:11:06.190 --> 00:11:09.080
  • much, and he's just put so much
  • 00:11:11.070 --> 00:11:14.070
  • love in our hearts that we just
  • 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:16.240
  • wanna share that love with other
  • 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.180
  • people and, just, the light of
  • 00:11:19.180 --> 00:11:22.060
  • his love, and so we just prayed
  • 00:11:22.060 --> 00:11:25.050
  • for a woman.
  • 00:11:25.050 --> 00:11:26.010
  • Her knees were a pain.
  • 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:27.170
  • Her back was in pain, and God
  • 00:11:27.170 --> 00:11:29.140
  • completely healed her, and so
  • 00:11:29.140 --> 00:11:31.180
  • we'd like to pray for your leg
  • 00:11:31.180 --> 00:11:33.030
  • if that's okay, and it's free.
  • 00:11:33.030 --> 00:11:34.200
  • No charge, no nothing,
  • 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.220
  • just--okay?
  • 00:11:36.220 --> 00:11:39.190
  • - Deece: Okay.
  • 00:11:39.190 --> 00:11:41.200
  • - Robby: Okay, thank you, all
  • 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:42.220
  • right, all right!
  • 00:11:42.220 --> 00:11:44.130
  • So, Father, right now, we just
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:46.270
  • thank you, God, and we just
  • 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:50.140
  • speak to this knee and this leg
  • 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.120
  • to be healed by the power of
  • 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:57.210
  • Jesus Christ, that he may know
  • 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.100
  • of your great love for him, and
  • 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:07.070
  • we just speak your healing
  • 00:12:07.070 --> 00:12:08.200
  • power.
  • 00:12:09.280 --> 00:12:12.280
  • We command this pain to go now
  • 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:17.220
  • and, just, freedom to come to
  • 00:12:17.220 --> 00:12:19.070
  • this leg.
  • 00:12:19.070 --> 00:12:21.110
  • Be healed right now in the name
  • 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:23.180
  • of Jesus, and we command this
  • 00:12:23.180 --> 00:12:25.190
  • pain to go, in Jesus' name,
  • 00:12:26.250 --> 00:12:29.250
  • right now, in Jesus' name.
  • 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.080
  • Now can you move it a little
  • 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:33.250
  • bit?
  • 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:35.190
  • Notice any difference?
  • 00:12:40.010 --> 00:12:43.010
  • And just be honest, just, you
  • 00:12:43.010 --> 00:12:44.240
  • don't have to--don't be nice.
  • 00:12:46.260 --> 00:12:49.260
  • - male: "It's not worse."
  • 00:12:49.260 --> 00:12:51.200
  • - Robby: Is it any better?
  • 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.000
  • Is it any better, or no?
  • 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:54.000
  • It's the same?
  • 00:12:54.010 --> 00:12:57.010
  • - male: "Nothing, nothing."
  • 00:12:57.010 --> 00:12:59.020
  • - Robby: No difference?
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:12:59.210
  • Okay.
  • 00:12:59.210 --> 00:13:00.150
  • - male: So he can't do like
  • 00:13:01.140 --> 00:13:04.140
  • this.
  • 00:13:04.140 --> 00:13:05.070
  • I don't know how to say.
  • 00:13:05.070 --> 00:13:06.040
  • - Robby: Okay, "bend" it.
  • 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:06.250
  • He can't bend it.
  • 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:07.240
  • I'mma pray one more time, just
  • 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:08.180
  • one more, one more time, okay?
  • 00:13:08.180 --> 00:13:10.090
  • It's okay?
  • 00:13:12.050 --> 00:13:15.050
  • Lord, I just thank you, and I
  • 00:13:15.050 --> 00:13:16.180
  • just ask you, God, completely
  • 00:13:16.180 --> 00:13:19.090
  • heal his knee and restore it
  • 00:13:19.090 --> 00:13:21.110
  • right now, in Jesus' name, amen.
  • 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.120
  • You try it again.
  • 00:13:28.260 --> 00:13:31.260
  • Yeah, well, listen, God bless
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:32.260
  • you.
  • 00:13:32.260 --> 00:13:33.200
  • The Lord loves you.
  • 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:36.230
  • Yeah, and even though you
  • 00:13:36.230 --> 00:13:38.080
  • weren't--even though it wasn't
  • 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:39.250
  • healed, you know, just know that
  • 00:13:39.250 --> 00:13:42.180
  • God really does love you, no
  • 00:13:42.180 --> 00:13:44.100
  • Thank you for letting us take
  • 00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:54.220
  • the time.
  • 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:57.050
  • God bless you.
  • 00:13:57.050 --> 00:13:58.160
  • God bless you.
  • 00:13:58.250 --> 00:14:01.270
  • All right, awesome.
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:06.280
  • - Shawn: Well, but our personal
  • 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:09.190
  • truths, when we're trying and
  • 00:14:09.190 --> 00:14:10.190
  • it's not happening and it's your
  • 00:14:10.190 --> 00:14:11.250
  • first hundred times, your
  • 00:14:11.250 --> 00:14:12.270
  • personal truth is "It doesn't
  • 00:14:12.270 --> 00:14:14.210
  • happen through me."
  • 00:14:14.210 --> 00:14:15.230
  • - Robby: Right, right.
  • 00:14:15.230 --> 00:14:17.120
  • - Shawn: And most people won't
  • 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.030
  • go past the first five times
  • 00:14:19.030 --> 00:14:20.170
  • 'cause it's so uncomfortable.
  • 00:14:20.170 --> 00:14:21.170
  • It's like, "I just did this
  • 00:14:21.170 --> 00:14:23.000
  • divine intention.
  • 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:23.260
  • I stepped out.
  • 00:14:23.260 --> 00:14:24.190
  • This isn't my personality.
  • 00:14:24.190 --> 00:14:25.130
  • This isn't who I am."
  • 00:14:25.130 --> 00:14:26.020
  • But if you can press past
  • 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:27.020
  • that--and we're all examples of
  • 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:28.200
  • that--if you press past it, then
  • 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.030
  • you change into scriptural
  • 00:14:30.030 --> 00:14:31.000
  • truth, which is God is who he
  • 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.190
  • says he is in the Bible, from
  • 00:14:32.190 --> 00:14:33.240
  • your personal truth.
  • 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:34.180
  • - Robby: Person needs the key.
  • 00:14:34.180 --> 00:14:35.220
  • - Shawn: Oh, it's the only main
  • 00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:36.220
  • key for this, and I've watched
  • 00:14:36.220 --> 00:14:38.250
  • people who've told me over and
  • 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:40.130
  • over and over, "It doesn't work
  • 00:14:40.130 --> 00:14:41.130
  • for me."
  • 00:14:41.130 --> 00:14:42.010
  • I'm like, "How many times have
  • 00:14:42.010 --> 00:14:42.210
  • you tried?"
  • 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:43.080
  • And they all say, "Like, ten
  • 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:43.250
  • times."
  • 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:44.230
  • I'm like, "You're not worthy.
  • 00:14:44.230 --> 00:14:45.130
  • You're just not worthy!"
  • 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:47.110
  • Like, I had to pray 2.000 times,
  • 00:14:47.110 --> 00:14:50.090
  • and I've watched kids, who are
  • 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:51.260
  • 9 years old, pray.
  • 00:14:51.260 --> 00:14:52.250
  • Their fifth person got healed.
  • 00:14:52.250 --> 00:14:54.010
  • I'm like, "I hate you!"
  • 00:14:54.010 --> 00:14:55.040
  • And you're like, "It worked for
  • 00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:57.110
  • you!"
  • 00:14:57.110 --> 00:14:57.290
  • And so people who are like, "I'm
  • 00:14:57.290 --> 00:14:59.190
  • just not seeing it happen," I'm
  • 00:14:59.190 --> 00:15:02.040
  • like, if they have prayed for
  • 00:15:02.040 --> 00:15:03.170
  • over 150 people or whatever, I
  • 00:15:03.170 --> 00:15:05.150
  • might have compassion.
  • 00:15:05.150 --> 00:15:07.140
  • - Darren: So why do you
  • 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:08.220
  • think--why does God set it up
  • 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:10.010
  • this way?
  • 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:10.250
  • Why make it so hard for us to be
  • 00:15:10.250 --> 00:15:13.020
  • able to bring healing to people,
  • 00:15:13.020 --> 00:15:14.100
  • for us to get an accurate, you
  • 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:16.030
  • know, prophetic word or words of
  • 00:15:16.030 --> 00:15:17.170
  • knowledge for people?
  • 00:15:17.170 --> 00:15:18.140
  • Why does he make it--why do you
  • 00:15:18.140 --> 00:15:19.250
  • have to pray for 1.000 people
  • 00:15:19.250 --> 00:15:22.000
  • before you see your first
  • 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.080
  • healing?
  • 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.020
  • Like, I don't--you know, and
  • 00:15:24.020 --> 00:15:25.130
  • then another person's five, and
  • 00:15:25.130 --> 00:15:27.060
  • they're good, you know?
  • 00:15:27.060 --> 00:15:28.020
  • I mean, like, I don't--why do
  • 00:15:28.020 --> 00:15:29.100
  • you think it's set up like this?
  • 00:15:29.100 --> 00:15:30.290
  • - Robby: I don't think that is
  • 00:15:30.290 --> 00:15:31.290
  • God.
  • 00:15:31.290 --> 00:15:32.190
  • I don't think God's making it
  • 00:15:32.190 --> 00:15:33.150
  • hard.
  • 00:15:33.150 --> 00:15:34.110
  • I think, you know, Adam and Eve
  • 00:15:34.110 --> 00:15:36.050
  • fell way in the garden, and I
  • 00:15:36.050 --> 00:15:38.000
  • think there's an opposition.
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  • There's a real enemy that's
  • 00:15:40.170 --> 00:15:41.170
  • opposing, and we're just pushing
  • 00:15:41.170 --> 00:15:43.000
  • up against that spiritual
  • 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.090
  • opposition, and so it's having
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  • to re-train, relearn of
  • 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:48.270
  • something that we gave away.
  • 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:50.040
  • I mean, what Jesus came to do
  • 00:15:50.040 --> 00:15:52.000
  • was to not show us what he could
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  • do as the Son of God.
  • 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.170
  • He came to show us what we could
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  • do.
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  • His life was a demonstration of
  • 00:15:57.290 --> 00:15:58.230
  • what we could do in pursuit of
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  • love and loving people and
  • 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.130
  • bringing them in, and seeing
  • 00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:04.080
  • transformation, but Jesus had
  • 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.100
  • opposition.
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  • Scripture says he couldn't
  • 00:16:07.090 --> 00:16:08.070
  • perform any miracles in Nazareth
  • 00:16:08.070 --> 00:16:09.190
  • because of their unbelief.
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  • He wept at the tomb of Lazarus
  • 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.100
  • because of their unbelief, so he
  • 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:14.120
  • even had to go up against
  • 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.050
  • opposition.
  • 00:16:16.050 --> 00:16:17.090
  • He had to pray for the blind man
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  • twice in Mark chapter 8, and so,
  • 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:21.030
  • but I think there's that model
  • 00:16:21.030 --> 00:16:22.290
  • of having to push through that
  • 00:16:22.290 --> 00:16:24.200
  • regardless and just be
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  • persistent and persevering
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  • instead, and I think that's what
  • 00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:30.230
  • it is.
  • 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:31.220
  • We're learning to hear with the
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  • prophetic.
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  • We're learning to translate.
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  • We're learning to grow.
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  • - Jamie Galloway: I think so
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  • much of what we're goin' after
  • 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:39.270
  • is more art than science.
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  • It's not "one plus one equals
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  • two."
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  • I don't just stick out my hand,
  • 00:16:45.110 --> 00:16:46.180
  • say, "In the name of Jesus,"
  • 00:16:46.180 --> 00:16:47.280
  • and, suddenly, bodies come
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  • together, you know?
  • 00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:51.080
  • I mean, there's gotta be a level
  • 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:52.140
  • of relationship, and you gotta
  • 00:16:52.140 --> 00:16:54.260
  • work that out through trial and
  • 00:16:54.260 --> 00:16:56.090
  • error, through process, and
  • 00:16:56.090 --> 00:16:57.190
  • through, like--and I really come
  • 00:16:57.190 --> 00:16:59.260
  • down to this place where any
  • 00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:01.180
  • kind of moment that I'm sharing
  • 00:17:01.180 --> 00:17:03.100
  • with God is an intimate moment,
  • 00:17:03.100 --> 00:17:04.210
  • so when I'm praying for the
  • 00:17:04.210 --> 00:17:05.230
  • sick, I'm not just out there, "I
  • 00:17:05.230 --> 00:17:07.090
  • will do a miracle for you," you
  • 00:17:07.090 --> 00:17:09.160
  • know?
  • 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:10.120
  • Like, I'm havin' an intimate
  • 00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:11.060
  • moment with the Father, and I
  • 00:17:11.060 --> 00:17:12.160
  • avoid burnout that way, you
  • 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.060
  • know?
  • 00:17:15.060 --> 00:17:16.030
  • I stay connected to him because
  • 00:17:16.030 --> 00:17:17.020
  • I see it as like, "Man, I wanna
  • 00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:19.010
  • weep right now because you just
  • 00:17:19.010 --> 00:17:20.170
  • did that, Jesus," not, "I am the
  • 00:17:20.170 --> 00:17:22.230
  • man of God!"
  • 00:17:22.230 --> 00:17:24.030
  • You know, "You receive!"
  • 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:25.100
  • You know, like, it's like, "I'm
  • 00:17:25.100 --> 00:17:26.230
  • just amazed by you, Jesus."
  • 00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:29.180
  • - Darren Davis: The Scripture
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  • that I think of a lot is, you
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  • know, Jesus didn't do anything
  • 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:34.020
  • that he didn't see the Father
  • 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:36.160
  • doing or hear what the Father
  • 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.150
  • was saying, right?
  • 00:17:38.150 --> 00:17:39.110
  • So isn't there mystery in that,
  • 00:17:39.110 --> 00:17:42.020
  • that he wasn't even moved as
  • 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:43.100
  • much, just by the general need?
  • 00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:45.170
  • 'Cause I'm sure there was lots
  • 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:46.210
  • of sick people and things goin'
  • 00:17:46.210 --> 00:17:48.210
  • on, but what he was moved by was
  • 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:50.160
  • that intimacy with the Father,
  • 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.140
  • and then it's in that space that
  • 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:55.280
  • we find that flow of grace, and
  • 00:17:55.280 --> 00:17:57.270
  • that's that divine enablement
  • 00:17:57.270 --> 00:18:00.050
  • that's coming to us and then
  • 00:18:00.050 --> 00:18:02.030
  • flowing through us, and that's
  • 00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:03.160
  • what is not hard, right?
  • 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.000
  • It's not--the grace of God can
  • 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.240
  • do anything in the earth, and
  • 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.080
  • so--
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  • - Darren Wilson: So I'm curious
  • 00:18:10.130 --> 00:18:11.120
  • along those lines then.
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  • Is that why--because I think we
  • 00:18:12.100 --> 00:18:13.120
  • look at Jesus, and we say he
  • 00:18:13.120 --> 00:18:14.230
  • sets the example, but it seems
  • 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:16.160
  • like it's an impossible example
  • 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:18.060
  • 'cause he never failed, so,
  • 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:20.090
  • like, but is it, did he never
  • 00:18:20.090 --> 00:18:22.090
  • fail because he's walking in
  • 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.160
  • ultimate intimacy with the
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  • Father?
  • 00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:26.000
  • - Robby: Unless you look at
  • 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:26.260
  • failure--I mean, again, he has
  • 00:18:26.260 --> 00:18:28.050
  • to pray for the blind man twice.
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  • Was that failure?
  • 00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:30.180
  • There's miracles he couldn't
  • 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.290
  • perform in Nazareth.
  • 00:18:32.290 --> 00:18:34.030
  • Was that failure?
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  • So, I mean, I think it's how we
  • 00:18:35.140 --> 00:18:36.230
  • - Bill Johnson: You have to be
  • 00:18:40.230 --> 00:18:41.120
  • able to take risk.
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  • You know, I hear people that say
  • 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:45.220
  • they don't have any risk.
  • 00:18:45.220 --> 00:18:46.260
  • They just know when God speaks
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  • to them.
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  • I don't know.
  • 00:18:48.120 --> 00:18:50.070
  • Maybe that's true for them, but
  • 00:18:50.070 --> 00:18:51.120
  • I don't know anybody intimately
  • 00:18:51.120 --> 00:18:53.230
  • that the Lord did not require or
  • 00:18:54.120 --> 00:18:57.120
  • they took a step that felt like
  • 00:18:57.120 --> 00:18:59.120
  • tremendous risk.
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  • And why is it valuable?
  • 00:19:01.050 --> 00:19:04.050
  • Because I think it brings with
  • 00:19:05.110 --> 00:19:08.110
  • it the automatic statement that
  • 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.240
  • says, "Behind everything, I
  • 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.020
  • trust God."
  • 00:19:14.020 --> 00:19:15.090
  • Faith is what pleases the Lord,
  • 00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:19.060
  • and the risk factor is, you
  • 00:19:19.060 --> 00:19:20.260
  • know, even if I'm wrong in
  • 00:19:20.260 --> 00:19:23.080
  • pursuing this, even if I'm
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:27.010
  • wrong--and, obviously, I'm not
  • 00:19:27.010 --> 00:19:28.070
  • referring to moral issues, moral
  • 00:19:28.070 --> 00:19:30.010
  • failure, I'm talkin' about
  • 00:19:30.010 --> 00:19:32.160
  • "I believe that you're going to
  • 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.050
  • be well by tomorrow morning,"
  • 00:19:33.050 --> 00:19:33.280
  • and they're not well by tomorrow
  • 00:19:33.280 --> 00:19:34.180
  • morning.
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  • All right, I took the risk.
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  • It didn't happen, so what do we
  • 00:19:36.190 --> 00:19:37.260
  • do?
  • 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:38.210
  • We learn to hear from the Lord.
  • 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:40.030
  • I feel like the Lord is blessed
  • 00:19:40.030 --> 00:19:43.000
  • by the willingness for me to put
  • 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.060
  • myself out there.
  • 00:19:45.060 --> 00:19:46.240
  • - Banning Liebscher: You know
  • 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:47.190
  • what's interesting about that?
  • 00:19:47.190 --> 00:19:48.190
  • Yeah, we totally, we want to not
  • 00:19:48.190 --> 00:19:49.080
  • give the Holy Spirit a bad name,
  • 00:19:49.080 --> 00:19:51.270
  • but if I step out and try to
  • 00:19:51.270 --> 00:19:53.230
  • give you a Word that was wrong,
  • 00:19:53.230 --> 00:19:55.140
  • if I step out and pray for you
  • 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:57.050
  • and you don't get healed, like,
  • 00:19:57.050 --> 00:19:59.060
  • somehow, it's going to give, you
  • 00:19:59.090 --> 00:20:02.090
  • know, God a bad name, what's
  • 00:20:02.090 --> 00:20:03.210
  • interesting to me though--I tell
  • 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:05.020
  • people this--I've never--and
  • 00:20:05.020 --> 00:20:06.290
  • we've prayed, like, we've been
  • 00:20:06.290 --> 00:20:07.180
  • around a lot of people praying
  • 00:20:07.180 --> 00:20:08.240
  • for a lot of people in a culture
  • 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:09.230
  • that has a high value for this.
  • 00:20:09.230 --> 00:20:11.140
  • I've never once heard about
  • 00:20:11.270 --> 00:20:14.270
  • people being upset with God that
  • 00:20:14.270 --> 00:20:17.060
  • he didn't heal them right there.
  • 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:18.140
  • Always, people actually
  • 00:20:18.140 --> 00:20:21.100
  • encounter that somebody cares.
  • 00:20:21.100 --> 00:20:24.050
  • They're getting represented that
  • 00:20:24.050 --> 00:20:26.250
  • God cares.
  • 00:20:26.250 --> 00:20:28.110
  • God actually cares.
  • 00:20:28.110 --> 00:20:30.000
  • God cares about your back pain
  • 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.120
  • and you having to live like
  • 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:33.080
  • that.
  • 00:20:33.080 --> 00:20:34.030
  • God cares about this, and so
  • 00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:37.080
  • almost always people actually
  • 00:20:37.080 --> 00:20:39.010
  • encounter, "Wow, the fact that
  • 00:20:39.010 --> 00:20:40.210
  • you stopped, the fact that you
  • 00:20:40.210 --> 00:20:42.130
  • actually cared enough to pay
  • 00:20:43.060 --> 00:20:46.060
  • attention to me," and the things
  • 00:20:46.060 --> 00:20:47.280
  • that maybe a back pain or
  • 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:50.130
  • whatever else it is.
  • 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:51.290
  • People just encounter care, and
  • 00:20:51.290 --> 00:20:53.270
  • they encounter love, and so I
  • 00:20:53.270 --> 00:20:55.090
  • think, you know, I think even if
  • 00:20:55.090 --> 00:20:57.040
  • you step out and pray for
  • 00:20:57.040 --> 00:20:58.030
  • somebody and they're not healed,
  • 00:20:58.030 --> 00:20:59.040
  • people encounter the fact that
  • 00:20:59.040 --> 00:21:00.210
  • you care, and you actually
  • 00:21:00.210 --> 00:21:02.180
  • represent a God who cares,
  • 00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:05.070
  • genuinely care.
  • 00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:06.190
  • - Brian Johnson: I think part
  • 00:21:06.190 --> 00:21:07.200
  • of it too is, like, our
  • 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:08.190
  • perception of, like, success
  • 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:09.210
  • versus failure, too.
  • 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:11.000
  • It's kind of like "Is success CD
  • 00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:15.070
  • sales?"
  • 00:21:15.070 --> 00:21:16.020
  • or, in our world, "Is success a
  • 00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:17.150
  • song that does really well?"
  • 00:21:17.150 --> 00:21:19.040
  • "Is success a worship that goes
  • 00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:20.110
  • really well?"
  • 00:21:20.110 --> 00:21:21.070
  • Like, I'm not sure.
  • 00:21:21.070 --> 00:21:22.020
  • Like, it's kind of like, I think
  • 00:21:22.020 --> 00:21:23.100
  • is, like, me going to put my
  • 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:28.250
  • head on the pillow at night,
  • 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:29.290
  • realizing that I did my best to
  • 00:21:29.290 --> 00:21:32.070
  • follow the Holy Spirit, that
  • 00:21:32.070 --> 00:21:33.260
  • feeling alone, you know, like,
  • 00:21:33.260 --> 00:21:35.030
  • "I picked up that piece of
  • 00:21:35.030 --> 00:21:36.020
  • trash, et cetera, even though it
  • 00:21:36.020 --> 00:21:38.040
  • felt totally stupid and a waste
  • 00:21:38.040 --> 00:21:40.000
  • of time."
  • 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.190
  • I know that I know that, "Hey, I
  • 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:43.090
  • did my best to follow," and I
  • 00:21:43.090 --> 00:21:44.290
  • think, like, that's part of it,
  • 00:21:44.290 --> 00:21:46.100
  • but at the same time it's,
  • 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:47.230
  • there's those times you step
  • 00:21:47.230 --> 00:21:48.260
  • out, and you do somethin', and
  • 00:21:48.260 --> 00:21:50.050
  • you feel like it's the Lord, and
  • 00:21:50.050 --> 00:21:51.050
  • then it's like, "Wow, that
  • 00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:52.210
  • was--I don't know what was goin'
  • 00:21:52.210 --> 00:21:54.150
  • on," you know what I mean?
  • 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:55.080
  • Which is--I think it's good
  • 00:21:55.080 --> 00:21:57.160
  • 'cause it keeps us, you know--
  • 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.170
  • - Jenn Johnson: I think that
  • 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:00.140
  • God will tell us to do things
  • 00:22:00.140 --> 00:22:01.070
  • that don't work out, on purpose
  • 00:22:01.070 --> 00:22:03.060
  • 'cause it's about the heart,
  • 00:22:03.060 --> 00:22:05.260
  • right?
  • 00:22:05.260 --> 00:22:06.110
  • It's about the obedience.
  • 00:22:06.110 --> 00:22:07.080
  • It's not about what the outcome
  • 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:08.150
  • is, and so I think that's what
  • 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:10.120
  • really matters to him is that
  • 00:22:10.120 --> 00:22:12.100
  • you obey no matter the outcome,
  • 00:22:12.250 --> 00:22:15.250
  • good or bad.
  • 00:22:15.250 --> 00:22:16.180
  • I mean, I've had God ask me--you
  • 00:22:16.180 --> 00:22:17.140
  • know, my favorite story ever is
  • 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:18.190
  • Bobby Conner, and the Lord asked
  • 00:22:18.190 --> 00:22:20.210
  • him to, you know, go over to
  • 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.100
  • this man that was at a room of
  • 00:22:22.100 --> 00:22:24.180
  • people, and nibble on his ear,
  • 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:26.220
  • you know?
  • 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:27.110
  • That's just disgusting!
  • 00:22:27.110 --> 00:22:28.150
  • Like, you want to throw up, you
  • 00:22:28.150 --> 00:22:29.270
  • know?
  • 00:22:29.270 --> 00:22:30.210
  • And he, of course, wrestled with
  • 00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:32.080
  • the Lord, and he had a history
  • 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:33.270
  • with the Lord of hearing his
  • 00:22:33.270 --> 00:22:34.250
  • voice, and so when the Lord
  • 00:22:34.250 --> 00:22:36.080
  • spoke that to him, he was just
  • 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:37.060
  • like, "Oh, come on, Lord," you
  • 00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:38.230
  • know?
  • 00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:39.150
  • But he knew it was him, and I'd
  • 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:41.170
  • love to say I have that much
  • 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:42.290
  • faith, but I don't know if I
  • 00:22:42.290 --> 00:22:44.110
  • would!
  • 00:22:44.110 --> 00:22:45.030
  • And he went over to this--he was
  • 00:22:45.030 --> 00:22:45.240
  • an elderly man.
  • 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.250
  • - Brian: Thank God, this wasn't
  • 00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:48.210
  • a failure story!
  • 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:49.120
  • - Jenn: Yeah, this was a
  • 00:22:49.120 --> 00:22:50.050
  • success!
  • 00:22:50.050 --> 00:22:50.240
  • But, you know, I don't think I
  • 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.190
  • would've passed this one, but he
  • 00:22:52.190 --> 00:22:53.130
  • leans over this man, and he
  • 00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:55.250
  • nibbles on this man's ear, and
  • 00:22:55.250 --> 00:22:58.050
  • the man just sobs.
  • 00:22:58.050 --> 00:23:00.020
  • - Brian: What he knows is Jesus
  • 00:23:00.050 --> 00:23:03.050
  • loves him.
  • 00:23:03.050 --> 00:23:03.260
  • - Jenn: Yeah, he says, "Jesus
  • 00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:04.220
  • loves you," when he--that's what
  • 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:05.240
  • Bobby said to him.
  • 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:06.200
  • - Brian: Something like this.
  • 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.000
  • - Jenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
  • 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.270
  • when he could compose himself,
  • 00:23:08.270 --> 00:23:10.270
  • he just looked at Bobby and
  • 00:23:10.270 --> 00:23:11.260
  • said, "My wife recently passed
  • 00:23:11.260 --> 00:23:12.270
  • away.
  • 00:23:12.270 --> 00:23:13.220
  • I was not a believer.
  • 00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:15.000
  • She was, and the only way I
  • 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:16.060
  • would let her talk to me about
  • 00:23:16.060 --> 00:23:17.280
  • the Lord is at night if she'd
  • 00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:19.030
  • nibble on my ear."
  • 00:23:19.030 --> 00:23:20.220
  • And you're just like, nothing in
  • 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:23.140
  • the whole world would've got to
  • 00:23:23.140 --> 00:23:24.250
  • that man's heart except for that
  • 00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:26.080
  • one thing--nothing.
  • 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:28.150
  • - Brian: Yeah, you can read
  • 00:23:28.150 --> 00:23:29.090
  • books, you can do whatever you
  • 00:23:29.090 --> 00:23:30.090
  • want, but without the Holy
  • 00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:31.160
  • Spirit, it's like you can't.
  • 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:32.200
  • - Jenn: That's it, and that
  • 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:33.210
  • It's marked me.
  • 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.040
  • - Jamie: I had just gotten
  • 00:23:38.040 --> 00:23:40.230
  • saved.
  • 00:23:40.230 --> 00:23:41.250
  • I was walkin' with the Lord
  • 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:42.210
  • probably less than a year, and
  • 00:23:42.210 --> 00:23:45.040
  • I'm goin' out.
  • 00:23:45.040 --> 00:23:46.220
  • I just want everything I can
  • 00:23:46.220 --> 00:23:47.210
  • get, and so I heard about
  • 00:23:47.210 --> 00:23:50.010
  • speaking in tongues, and the
  • 00:23:50.010 --> 00:23:51.270
  • Holy Spirit gives you this
  • 00:23:51.270 --> 00:23:53.020
  • ability to speak in other
  • 00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:54.290
  • tongues, and I didn't know how
  • 00:23:54.290 --> 00:23:56.120
  • to do that.
  • 00:23:56.120 --> 00:23:57.160
  • I didn't know what to do, so I
  • 00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:58.150
  • just went for it.
  • 00:23:58.150 --> 00:24:00.110
  • I tried, I stepped out, I
  • 00:24:00.110 --> 00:24:01.220
  • started going for it, and I was
  • 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:04.000
  • go, "God, I wanna speak in
  • 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.160
  • tongues for 3 hours today.
  • 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.200
  • I wanna try this.
  • 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.130
  • I wanna do this."
  • 00:24:11.130 --> 00:24:12.040
  • And so I go, "God, just help
  • 00:24:12.040 --> 00:24:14.210
  • me," and "I wanna speak in
  • 00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:15.200
  • tongues for 3 hours today," and
  • 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.170
  • so I'm starting out, and I'm
  • 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:19.060
  • just trying, you know.
  • 00:24:19.060 --> 00:24:21.110
  • I'm trying, and pretty soon, it
  • 00:24:21.110 --> 00:24:23.030
  • starts to kick in, and I'm going
  • 00:24:23.030 --> 00:24:24.120
  • for it, and 3 hours goes by, and
  • 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:27.200
  • it was miraculous because I
  • 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.280
  • can't really do anything for 3
  • 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:31.210
  • hours straight, you know?
  • 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:33.190
  • So just then, I get a knock on
  • 00:24:33.190 --> 00:24:35.290
  • my door, and there's this kid.
  • 00:24:36.070 --> 00:24:39.070
  • He hears me.
  • 00:24:39.070 --> 00:24:41.020
  • He's listening in next to the
  • 00:24:41.020 --> 00:24:43.120
  • door.
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.020
  • He hears what I'm doing inside,
  • 00:24:44.020 --> 00:24:44.250
  • and he walks right in, and I go,
  • 00:24:45.190 --> 00:24:48.190
  • "Come in here.
  • 00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:49.090
  • What's your name?"
  • 00:24:49.090 --> 00:24:50.040
  • And he goes, "Oh," you know,
  • 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:52.150
  • "what're you doing in here?"
  • 00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:53.280
  • And I go, "Oh, I'm prayin'.
  • 00:24:53.280 --> 00:24:55.010
  • I talk with Jesus," and he goes,
  • 00:24:55.010 --> 00:24:57.230
  • "Oh, I believe in Jesus.
  • 00:24:57.230 --> 00:24:58.230
  • I'm a Muslim."
  • 00:24:58.230 --> 00:25:00.170
  • I go, "Oh, perfect, come in
  • 00:25:00.170 --> 00:25:01.260
  • here!"
  • 00:25:01.260 --> 00:25:02.280
  • So I bring him in, and I start
  • 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:04.170
  • prayin' with him.
  • 00:25:04.170 --> 00:25:06.020
  • I start showin' him from the
  • 00:25:06.020 --> 00:25:06.270
  • Word that Jesus is the Son of
  • 00:25:06.270 --> 00:25:08.030
  • God, he is God in the flesh.
  • 00:25:08.030 --> 00:25:11.010
  • And he's sitting there, you
  • 00:25:11.010 --> 00:25:12.110
  • know, "What is this?
  • 00:25:12.110 --> 00:25:14.090
  • I don't believe this."
  • 00:25:14.090 --> 00:25:15.100
  • He doesn't know any different.
  • 00:25:15.100 --> 00:25:16.270
  • And so I said, "Stand up here.
  • 00:25:16.270 --> 00:25:18.130
  • I'm gonna show you."
  • 00:25:18.130 --> 00:25:19.090
  • So I had him stand up.
  • 00:25:19.090 --> 00:25:20.190
  • I go, "Watch this."
  • 00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:22.040
  • "Jesus, come and touch him.
  • 00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:24.120
  • I ask you for your presence to
  • 00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:25.170
  • come and touch him right now."
  • 00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:26.280
  • And just then, an angel of God
  • 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:29.010
  • comes down, hits him, literally
  • 00:25:29.010 --> 00:25:31.090
  • just smacks the kid, and the kid
  • 00:25:31.090 --> 00:25:32.260
  • gets laid out.
  • 00:25:32.260 --> 00:25:34.010
  • He's right there, laid out, and
  • 00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:35.110
  • I go, "Stand back up here!"
  • 00:25:35.110 --> 00:25:37.280
  • And I felt like, you know, just
  • 00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:39.140
  • this rush of God going through
  • 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:41.010
  • me, and just then, my
  • 00:25:41.010 --> 00:25:43.050
  • Pentecostal friend that would
  • 00:25:43.050 --> 00:25:44.180
  • bring me to that Pentecostal
  • 00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:45.210
  • church every Sunday, he spoke in
  • 00:25:45.210 --> 00:25:48.120
  • tongues all the time.
  • 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:49.130
  • He walks in to where we're
  • 00:25:49.130 --> 00:25:51.040
  • praying, and he goes, "What's
  • 00:25:51.040 --> 00:25:52.280
  • goin' on?"
  • 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:53.180
  • I said, "We're praying," and he
  • 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:54.260
  • goes, "Oh, okay," and I said,
  • 00:25:54.260 --> 00:25:56.130
  • "Watch this," and I said, "Where
  • 00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:58.110
  • are you from?"
  • 00:25:58.110 --> 00:25:59.130
  • This kid, he goes, "I'm from
  • 00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:00.170
  • Iran," and I said, "Really?"
  • 00:26:00.170 --> 00:26:03.000
  • and he goes, "Yeah," and I go,
  • 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.210
  • "What language do you speak?"
  • 00:26:04.210 --> 00:26:06.230
  • He says, "I speak Farsi."
  • 00:26:06.230 --> 00:26:08.130
  • I said, "Farsi?
  • 00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:10.090
  • Man," you know, I go, "you know,
  • 00:26:10.090 --> 00:26:12.040
  • I'm just gonna go for it."
  • 00:26:12.040 --> 00:26:14.050
  • I said, "My God is gonna let me
  • 00:26:14.050 --> 00:26:16.140
  • speak in your language, and I'm
  • 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.230
  • going to speak in your language.
  • 00:26:17.230 --> 00:26:19.290
  • Do you believe that?"
  • 00:26:19.290 --> 00:26:21.030
  • He goes, "Uh, I guess."
  • 00:26:21.030 --> 00:26:23.080
  • I grabbed his hand.
  • 00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:24.120
  • I held him tight, and I just
  • 00:26:24.120 --> 00:26:25.230
  • began to speak out, and I just
  • 00:26:25.230 --> 00:26:27.110
  • went...
  • 00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:28.050
  • [speaking in tongues]
  • 00:26:28.050 --> 00:26:29.260
  • I didn't know
  • 00:26:29.260 --> 00:26:30.130
  • what I was saying.
  • 00:26:30.130 --> 00:26:31.250
  • I feel this energy flowing
  • 00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:33.010
  • through me.
  • 00:26:33.010 --> 00:26:33.210
  • It's like living water pouring
  • 00:26:33.210 --> 00:26:35.140
  • through my life.
  • 00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:36.090
  • It's touching this kid, and he
  • 00:26:36.090 --> 00:26:37.230
  • goes...
  • 00:26:37.230 --> 00:26:38.150
  • [gasping]
  • 00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:39.230
  • "You're telling me
  • 00:26:39.230 --> 00:26:40.200
  • that Allah is not God!
  • 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.170
  • You're telling me that Brahma is
  • 00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:43.240
  • not God!
  • 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:44.200
  • You're telling me that Jesus is
  • 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.180
  • God, in Farsi."
  • 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.240
  • And I was like, "Praise Jesus!"
  • 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:50.260
  • And that kid lifts his hands up,
  • 00:26:50.260 --> 00:26:52.090
  • and he goes, "Praise Jesus!
  • 00:26:52.090 --> 00:26:53.240
  • Praise Jesus!"
  • 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:54.260
  • He's runnin' around, goin',
  • 00:26:54.260 --> 00:26:55.260
  • "Praise Jesus!
  • 00:26:55.260 --> 00:26:56.190
  • Praise Jesus!"
  • 00:26:56.190 --> 00:26:58.080
  • So I'm thinkin', "This is on,
  • 00:26:58.080 --> 00:26:59.140
  • man."
  • 00:26:59.140 --> 00:27:00.160
  • These kind of miracles are for
  • 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.060
  • today, you know?
  • 00:27:02.060 --> 00:27:03.120
  • And so I go out on the street
  • 00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:06.110
  • that week, and I'm down in St.
  • 00:27:06.110 --> 00:27:07.240
  • Louis in Washington University,
  • 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.220
  • and they have all of these
  • 00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:11.290
  • people coming in to receive
  • 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:16.000
  • higher education, and they're
  • 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:17.180
  • all brilliant, brilliant kids,
  • 00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:19.050
  • and it was these Chinese kids,
  • 00:27:19.050 --> 00:27:21.070
  • and I saw them, and I saw there
  • 00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:23.080
  • are like six, seven of 'em, and
  • 00:27:23.080 --> 00:27:25.240
  • I walked over, and I go, "Hey,
  • 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.000
  • you guys, you wanna see
  • 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.050
  • something cool?"
  • 00:27:28.050 --> 00:27:29.040
  • And they go, "What is it?"
  • 00:27:29.040 --> 00:27:31.210
  • And I go, "Watch this.
  • 00:27:31.210 --> 00:27:34.000
  • My God is gonna let me speak in
  • 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.290
  • your language, and I'm going to
  • 00:27:35.290 --> 00:27:37.060
  • speak in your language.
  • 00:27:37.060 --> 00:27:39.020
  • Are you ready?"
  • 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:40.120
  • They were looking at each other
  • 00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:41.060
  • like, "This guy, crazy!"
  • 00:27:41.060 --> 00:27:43.200
  • Yeah, I'm sitting there, and I
  • 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:44.190
  • go with all boldness.
  • 00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:46.290
  • I'm like...
  • 00:27:46.290 --> 00:27:48.070
  • [imitating Chinese syllables]
  • 00:27:48.100 --> 00:27:51.100
  • I'm trying to make every Chinese
  • 00:27:51.100 --> 00:27:53.020
  • syllable I can, and I'm...
  • 00:27:53.020 --> 00:27:55.200
  • [imitating Chinese syllables]
  • 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.020
  • And they're going, "This guy,
  • 00:27:58.070 --> 00:28:01.090
  • nuts!"
  • 00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:03.170
  • And they ran!
  • 00:28:03.170 --> 00:28:04.250
  • They literally ran!
  • 00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:06.150
  • They all said, "Get out of here!
  • 00:28:06.150 --> 00:28:07.220
  • This guy, crazy!"
  • 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.020
  • And they start running!
  • 00:28:09.020 --> 00:28:10.180
  • I was like, "No, come back!"
  • 00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:12.210
  • [imitating Chinese syllables]
  • 00:28:12.210 --> 00:28:15.170
  • That was a...that was a failure.
  • 00:28:15.260 --> 00:28:18.260
  • - male: So what did you learn
  • 00:28:18.260 --> 00:28:19.230
  • from that though?
  • 00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:21.180
  • Like, why did it fail the second
  • 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.030
  • time?
  • 00:28:23.030 --> 00:28:24.030
  • - Jamie: There are times when
  • 00:28:24.030 --> 00:28:25.260
  • you step out, and it's God.
  • 00:28:25.260 --> 00:28:27.040
  • It's obviously God, and then
  • 00:28:27.040 --> 00:28:28.210
  • there's times when you step out,
  • 00:28:28.210 --> 00:28:30.050
  • and it's obviously just you, and
  • 00:28:31.150 --> 00:28:34.150
  • it really brings, you know, the
  • 00:28:34.150 --> 00:28:36.020
  • realization that, at the end of
  • 00:28:36.110 --> 00:28:39.110
  • the day, you need God!
  • 00:28:39.110 --> 00:28:41.150
  • You know, it's God.
  • 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:42.260
  • It's not you.
  • 00:28:42.260 --> 00:28:43.170
  • It's not your charisma.
  • 00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:44.150
  • It's not your personality.
  • 00:28:44.150 --> 00:28:45.170
  • These things don't work because
  • 00:28:45.170 --> 00:28:48.130
  • you had a good day.
  • 00:28:48.130 --> 00:28:49.130
  • - Darren: Inherent in all faith
  • 00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:53.160
  • is an element of risk, and
  • 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.090
  • sometimes that risk results in
  • 00:28:55.090 --> 00:28:57.140
  • God moving, and sometimes it
  • 00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.090
  • results in us falling flat on
  • 00:28:59.090 --> 00:29:00.250
  • our faces, but while we often
  • 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:02.240
  • hold back because we're afraid
  • 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.060
  • of looking foolish, I think we
  • 00:29:04.060 --> 00:29:06.010
  • also secretly fear making God
  • 00:29:06.010 --> 00:29:07.110
  • look weak, but God doesn't need
  • 00:29:07.110 --> 00:29:10.030
  • a publicist, and he didn't tell
  • 00:29:10.030 --> 00:29:11.290
  • us that we were the ones to
  • 00:29:11.290 --> 00:29:13.150
  • decide when and where he moves.
  • 00:29:13.150 --> 00:29:15.240
  • We are called simply to love
  • 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.020
  • those in front of us, and when
  • 00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:19.210
  • someone is in need, we are to
  • 00:29:19.210 --> 00:29:21.100
  • pray.
  • 00:29:21.100 --> 00:29:22.170
  • Whatever happens after that is
  • 00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:24.060