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What Is Worship? Part 2

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November 21, 2017
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What Is Worship? Part 2

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  • - Darren Wilson: For 10 years,
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  • I've traveled the world in an
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  • attempt to film God touching
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  • people's lives, and I've
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  • captured some of the most
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  • incredible moments of faith and
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  • miracles ever caught on film.
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  • But I've discovered that faith
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  • is as much about questions, as
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  • it is answers, as much mystery,
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  • as it is certainty.
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  • So I want to take you on a new
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  • adventure.
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  • Together we'll wrestle with big
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  • questions about God, but we'll
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  • also see faith in its purest
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  • form.
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  • It's time to face our questions
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  • head on.
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  • It's time to see proof that God
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  • exists.
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  • It's time for, "Adventures with
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  • - Darren: What is worship?
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  • It's a question we started
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  • exploring in the episode before
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  • this, and it's one we'll dig
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  • even deeper into here.
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  • As I stated in the first episode
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  • about this, while making my Holy
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  • Ghost films, I took my friend,
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  • Jake Hamilton, to a city called
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  • birthplace of Hinduism and
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  • Buddhism and is one of the
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  • oldest cities in the world.
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  • This is ground zero for Hinduism
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  • in particular, and I felt God
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  • directing us to go here and not
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  • focus on preaching but, rather,
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  • go straight into the heart of
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  • the Hindu religion with worship.
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  • I was told going in that this
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  • was a dangerous proposition as
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  • we were going to a place of
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  • extremists who wouldn't hesitate
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  • to turn to violence against us,
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  • but, as I've seen over the
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  • years, if God says go, the best
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  • course of action is usually
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  • obedience.
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  • That being said, things got a
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  • little tense.
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  • - male: Real quick, sorry.
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  • You remember Sarnath.
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  • - Jake Hamilton: Yeah, so, so,
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  • in Sarnath, so, then, we'd go to
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  • Sarnath, which, thank God that
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  • we saw it a couple days earlier,
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  • but in reality, we saw it a
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  • couple days earlier, and there
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  • was maybe 100 people there,
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  • maybe 200 people there.
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  • And, in the entire fields, zoo,
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  • zoo, temple, the whole deal.
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  • I mean, we just, it was nothing,
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  • you know?
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  • We were like, "Oh," and so it's
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  • the last place we're going to
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  • film in sort of like going into
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  • the streets, so, in my brain, I
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  • was like, "Thank God.
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  • We're filming somewhere a little
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  • bit easier.
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  • We're going to Sarnath.
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  • It's going to be super, there's
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  • going to be a couple hundred
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  • people there.
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  • Thank God," because it's been a
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  • little stressful the last couple
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  • days, and we went back and took
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  • a nap.
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  • I'm like, "Let's just go and
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  • finish this thing out well."
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  • We show up, and the streets are
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  • so ridiculously packed with
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  • people, we can't even drive
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  • anywhere, and we have to park
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  • somewhere like a mile away, and
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  • now, I'm like, "Lord, first of
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  • all, I don't know if I'm awake
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  • enough to do this again," and
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  • now, I'm, like, starting to get
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  • a little, like, I have to--
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  • [speaking in tongues]
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  • We just have to start praying in
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  • the Spirit.
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  • We've got to start something.
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  • I need something, and so, now,
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  • we're walking down the streets.
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  • First of all, I don't even know
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  • where some of our team is.
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  • They rode with other people, and
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  • where is everyone?
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  • We walk, and it is packed,
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  • crowded with people, and I'm
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  • - [crowd chattering]
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  • - male: Getting pushed, getting
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  • shoved right now.
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  • - male: Pretty intense right
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  • now.
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  • We're, like, in the middle of a
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  • huge crowd.
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  • - male: Yeah, it's going to be
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  • interesting.
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  • I don't know how much audio
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  • you're going to be able to get,
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  • if you're going to get any
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  • audio.
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  • - Darren: We were reminded just
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  • how dangerous what we were doing
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  • was when we went to a Buddhist
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  • temple where Buddha preached his
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  • first sermon after receiving
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  • enlightenment.
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  • Jake began to play.
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  • A crowd literally exploded, and
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  • Mark started praying for people.
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  • - Mark: Now, I'm going to pray
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  • for you.
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  • Can I lay my hands on your knee,
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  • put my hand on your knee?
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: And I'm going to ask
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  • Jesus to heal you.
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: Okay, all right.
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  • Is your knee in pain right now?
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: What's wrong with it?
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  • What's wrong?
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  • - male: He has pain that knee.
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  • When he will walk, that was
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  • paining.
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  • - Mark: And you still have pain
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  • now?
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  • - male: Yes.
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  • - Mark: Yeah, okay.
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  • Now, I'm going to pray.
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  • We're going to see what God can
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  • do.
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  • No, no, no, no, stay there.
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  • So, Father, I thank you for
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  • bringing us here.
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  • God, you love this man with all
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  • of your heart, and we invite
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  • your presence to come upon him.
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  • Come right now, Holy Spirit.
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  • In Jesus' mighty name, I take
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  • authority over every injury to
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  • your knee and leg.
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  • I command the joint be healed,
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  • the kneecap be healed.
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  • I command the pain to go.
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  • I speak the oil of heaven into
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  • your knee joints, and I speak
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  • right now all pain, dissolve
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  • away and go.
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  • I speak full mobility and
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  • freedom as you walk.
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  • That's right, a brand new knee,
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  • in Jesus' name.
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  • Thank you, Heavenly Father.
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  • Thank you, God.
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  • All pain, go.
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  • Be healed in Jesus' name.
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  • Thank you, God.
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  • Now, okay.
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  • Now, try.
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  • See how it is.
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  • Try it.
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: So, how's that feel?
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: Try it.
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  • Is he healed?
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  • - male: [speaking foreign
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  • language]
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  • - Mark: Yes.
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  • You're healed?
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  • The one that's healed you is
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  • Jesus.
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  • - Darren: But shortly after we
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  • started, Jake got attacked.
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  • - Jake: So, I'm kind of like,
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  • I don't know where this is going
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  • to go, so I finish "Freedom."
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  • They kind of clap.
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  • They're pretty excited, and
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  • right, I get into sort of the
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  • next song.
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  • People wanted to shake hands
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  • because they don't know who
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  • they're meeting, and they want
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  • to shake hands.
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  • I start going to the next song,
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  • and I see a guy come up, and I
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  • thought he was going to out and
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  • shake my hand, and he's a
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  • smaller dude, but he literally
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  • reaches out and grabs my arm,
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  • and, all of a sudden, I know
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  • this is not normal, and he
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  • starts to pull me like he's
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  • going to rip me off the stage.
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  • Where's, where's Mark at?
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  • Where's Mark and Darren?
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  • - male: Okay, we need to move.
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  • We need to move.
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  • They're saying we need to move.
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  • - Mark: Okay.
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  • - Jake: Immediately, I felt
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  • Matt, one of the other video
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  • guys, he tapped me on the
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  • shoulder, and he said, "We're
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  • leaving now," and so, I backed
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  • up, kind of got out of the way.
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  • We realized we were kind of
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  • cornered.
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  • People weren't going to let us
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  • out.
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  • Immediately saw one of the guys
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  • we were with, and we kind of
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  • scooted on out of there, but it
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  • was, it was just a, it was a
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  • super intense moment.
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  • - Mark: Was it getting scary
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  • your end?
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  • - Jake: Oh, it was crazy on my
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  • end.
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  • - Mark: Was it, was it?
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  • - Jake: Oh, yeah, it was super
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  • intense.
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  • I had a guy try to pull me off
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  • the stage.
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  • - Mark: No, you're joking.
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  • - Jake: No, really.
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  • He tried to grab me off the
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  • stage.
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  • - Mark: We were told, you know,
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  • these people wouldn't hesitate
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  • to kill you and to cut your body
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  • up and throw it into the Ganges.
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  • This is the most radical place
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  • you're going to find on earth
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  • and serious business.
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  • - Darren: So, when we were
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  • taken to the most radical part
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  • of Varanasi to try to do what I
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  • felt God was telling me to do,
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  • we all understood the dangers
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  • involved.
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  • Earlier, we had learned that
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  • Ramesh was actually the high
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  • priest of the local monkey god
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  • temple, so imagine my surprise
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  • when, at 4 a.m. the next
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  • morning, the Lord woke me up
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  • and gave me my new marching
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  • orders.
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  • - Jake: So, in the morning, we
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  • go down to breakfast, and we're
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  • kind of hanging out, talking
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  • about the day.
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  • What are we going to do?
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  • What does this look like?
  • 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:01.130
  • And you had said, "Hey, look.
  • 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.240
  • Like, I want to see the
  • 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.210
  • impossible."
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  • We were told by one of the
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  • women who represents some of the
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  • ministry here, she had said
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  • getting into and filming inside
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  • of a Hindu temple would be like
  • 00:08:16.200 --> 00:08:18.040
  • getting into the Dome of the
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  • Rock, because it's that
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  • impossible.
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  • - Darren: When we went back to
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  • the streets of Varanasi, this
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  • time to the holiest part of this
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  • holy city, it was time once
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  • again for God to do the
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  • impossible, so I approached our
  • 00:08:30.190 --> 00:08:33.180
  • new friend, who, it was clear,
  • 00:08:33.180 --> 00:08:35.140
  • was some kind of big shot down
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  • here, and asked him if I could
  • 00:08:37.050 --> 00:08:39.140
  • actually film inside his monkey
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  • god temple.
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  • He looked at me for a moment and
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  • then simply said, "Yes."
  • 00:08:45.040 --> 00:08:47.170
  • - Jake: And I think all the
  • 00:08:47.170 --> 00:08:48.150
  • leaders here were kind of like,
  • 00:08:48.150 --> 00:08:50.180
  • "You're not kidding.
  • 00:08:50.180 --> 00:08:51.270
  • Like, you want to go film.
  • 00:08:51.270 --> 00:08:53.020
  • You're going to go as crazy as
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  • you can, even if you get beat
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  • doing it," and it was kind of
  • 00:08:56.110 --> 00:08:57.220
  • like, "Yeah, that's why we
  • 00:08:57.220 --> 00:08:59.070
  • came," you know?
  • 00:08:59.070 --> 00:09:00.100
  • So, I think, once that
  • 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:01.020
  • distinction was made by all the
  • 00:09:01.020 --> 00:09:02.180
  • leaders and Ramesh himself, it
  • 00:09:02.180 --> 00:09:05.140
  • was kind of like, "Well, let's
  • 00:09:05.140 --> 00:09:07.010
  • just, let's go for it," you
  • 00:09:07.010 --> 00:09:09.040
  • know?
  • 00:09:09.040 --> 00:09:09.190
  • It was kind of like, "Let's just
  • 00:09:09.190 --> 00:09:10.130
  • - Darren: Okay, so, this
  • 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:14.170
  • episode is actually Part Two of
  • 00:09:14.170 --> 00:09:16.190
  • a two-part series on what is
  • 00:09:16.190 --> 00:09:18.170
  • worship.
  • 00:09:18.170 --> 00:09:20.060
  • That's kind of the question that
  • 00:09:20.060 --> 00:09:21.020
  • we're looking at, and so what I
  • 00:09:21.020 --> 00:09:23.280
  • wanted to start with, Jake, I
  • 00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:25.020
  • want to start with you because,
  • 00:09:25.020 --> 00:09:26.150
  • in this episode of "Adventures
  • 00:09:26.150 --> 00:09:28.040
  • with God," we are actually
  • 00:09:28.040 --> 00:09:30.120
  • showing the stuff that we shot
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  • in Varanasi, kind of the second
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  • half of that.
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  • - Jake: Well, I think people
  • 00:09:34.090 --> 00:09:35.030
  • really have to see that, before
  • 00:09:35.030 --> 00:09:36.170
  • I even went, I genuinely thought
  • 00:09:37.010 --> 00:09:40.010
  • I was going to die, like,
  • 00:09:40.010 --> 00:09:42.060
  • actually got life insurance,
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  • like, really honestly believed
  • 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:45.270
  • that the Lord told me I was
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  • going to die.
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  • Like, I actually believed that,
  • 00:09:47.260 --> 00:09:49.230
  • and, because, I mean, I didn't
  • 00:09:49.230 --> 00:09:52.160
  • tell my wife that, clearly, but
  • 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:54.000
  • I got insurance, so.
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  • - Darren: Even before that, you
  • 00:09:55.180 --> 00:09:56.200
  • were going to tell me.
  • 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:57.200
  • - Jake: I was going to tell you
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  • no.
  • 00:09:58.100 --> 00:09:58.260
  • I actually came to Denver where
  • 00:09:58.260 --> 00:09:59.270
  • we met with Heidi and was going
  • 00:09:59.270 --> 00:10:02.270
  • to tell you, "Hey, I just don't
  • 00:10:02.270 --> 00:10:04.070
  • have a word of the Lord on this,
  • 00:10:04.070 --> 00:10:05.070
  • and I feel like my life's going
  • 00:10:05.070 --> 00:10:06.140
  • to be on the line, and, if I
  • 00:10:06.140 --> 00:10:07.060
  • don't hear the Lord, I'm out,"
  • 00:10:07.060 --> 00:10:09.150
  • and Heidi gets onstage the same
  • 00:10:09.150 --> 00:10:11.050
  • time you're showing up, and she
  • 00:10:11.050 --> 00:10:12.280
  • goes--
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  • - Darren: Heidi Baker.
  • 00:10:13.130 --> 00:10:14.010
  • - Jake: Yeah, Heidi Baker gets
  • 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:14.210
  • on the stage, and she goes,
  • 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:16.020
  • "That thing in the pit of your
  • 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:17.060
  • stomach that says you're not
  • 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:19.020
  • sure if you're supposed to go to
  • 00:10:19.020 --> 00:10:20.010
  • India, go to India.
  • 00:10:20.010 --> 00:10:21.260
  • The Lord says go to India," and
  • 00:10:21.260 --> 00:10:23.260
  • I was like, "Oh, my God," and
  • 00:10:23.260 --> 00:10:25.110
  • Nicky was, my wife, was sitting
  • 00:10:25.110 --> 00:10:26.180
  • right next to me, and it was
  • 00:10:26.180 --> 00:10:28.080
  • perfect because she was like, "I
  • 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.210
  • think you're supposed to go to
  • 00:10:29.210 --> 00:10:30.200
  • India."
  • 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:31.230
  • - Darren: What is the, like,
  • 00:10:31.230 --> 00:10:32.290
  • we're looking at the Word
  • 00:10:32.290 --> 00:10:33.260
  • because, I mean, worship is all
  • 00:10:33.260 --> 00:10:35.080
  • over the Bible, right?
  • 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.280
  • And I'm just trying to figure
  • 00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:38.190
  • out, like, what is actually
  • 00:10:38.190 --> 00:10:39.240
  • happening when we're
  • 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.130
  • worshipping?
  • 00:10:41.130 --> 00:10:42.280
  • So, like, this whole idea of
  • 00:10:42.280 --> 00:10:44.070
  • worship as warfare, like, what's
  • 00:10:44.070 --> 00:10:45.160
  • the kind of the biblical
  • 00:10:45.160 --> 00:10:46.190
  • precedent for this?
  • 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:48.210
  • - Bryan Schwartz: In the
  • 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:49.070
  • Scriptures, like, 2 Chronicles
  • 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:50.020
  • 20, there's an example, when the
  • 00:10:50.020 --> 00:10:51.120
  • enemy king was coming, and they
  • 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.010
  • put the worship team out in
  • 00:10:54.010 --> 00:10:55.030
  • front.
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:56.060
  • They started lifting their
  • 00:10:56.060 --> 00:10:56.230
  • voices, praising, and what
  • 00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:58.050
  • happened to the enemy is they
  • 00:10:58.050 --> 00:10:59.160
  • threw them into confusion, and
  • 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:01.140
  • they ended up killing
  • 00:11:01.140 --> 00:11:02.020
  • themselves, so I think there's
  • 00:11:02.020 --> 00:11:03.140
  • biblical examples of that.
  • 00:11:03.140 --> 00:11:05.210
  • - Jake: Gideon, correct?
  • 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:07.000
  • Even in Gideon, torches,
  • 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.100
  • trumpets, and then the enemy
  • 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:09.210
  • fleeing.
  • 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.000
  • - Bryan: And then I know, when
  • 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:11.250
  • I've, when I was over in India
  • 00:11:11.250 --> 00:11:13.070
  • the first time, the native there
  • 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:16.090
  • who was hosting me talked about
  • 00:11:16.090 --> 00:11:18.100
  • whoever gets the airwaves wins.
  • 00:11:18.100 --> 00:11:21.060
  • That's why they do the public,
  • 00:11:21.060 --> 00:11:22.070
  • he said that's why they release
  • 00:11:22.070 --> 00:11:23.210
  • it over microphones.
  • 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:25.290
  • They amplify stuff because
  • 00:11:25.290 --> 00:11:27.020
  • they're convinced whoever steals
  • 00:11:27.020 --> 00:11:28.150
  • the airways wins the battle.
  • 00:11:28.150 --> 00:11:31.040
  • I think there is a part of
  • 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:32.040
  • worship where you're saturating
  • 00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:33.170
  • the airways with who he is and
  • 00:11:33.170 --> 00:11:35.270
  • what he's all about.
  • 00:11:35.270 --> 00:11:37.200
  • I think it would mess up the
  • 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.020
  • enemy.
  • 00:11:39.020 --> 00:11:40.120
  • - Shawn Bolz: I'm thinking that
  • 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:41.140
  • most, I'm more of the
  • 00:11:41.140 --> 00:11:43.000
  • transformational theology guy
  • 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.130
  • that also believes that we're
  • 00:11:44.130 --> 00:11:46.060
  • not coming against something.
  • 00:11:46.060 --> 00:11:47.240
  • We're manifesting something,
  • 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:48.220
  • right?
  • 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:49.150
  • And you guys probably all agree
  • 00:11:49.150 --> 00:11:50.250
  • in that sense of, like, I think
  • 00:11:50.250 --> 00:11:52.100
  • worship causes us to be in a
  • 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:53.270
  • heightened state of awareness of
  • 00:11:53.270 --> 00:11:55.060
  • our true spirituality, which
  • 00:11:55.060 --> 00:11:57.000
  • causes us to, I mean, have you
  • 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.130
  • ever been to that worship time
  • 00:11:58.130 --> 00:11:59.020
  • where, I know you have because
  • 00:11:59.020 --> 00:12:00.080
  • you lead it, where, all of a
  • 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.060
  • sudden, you're more aware of
  • 00:12:01.060 --> 00:12:02.080
  • God, and you forget everything
  • 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:03.080
  • else around you, which is kind
  • 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.030
  • of a trance, and that's what the
  • 00:12:05.030 --> 00:12:06.010
  • Bible defines as "trance," but I
  • 00:12:06.010 --> 00:12:07.110
  • think we get into that place,
  • 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:08.270
  • and I think worship causes you
  • 00:12:08.270 --> 00:12:10.230
  • to be so aware, and that
  • 00:12:10.230 --> 00:12:13.050
  • awareness is the bridge of faith
  • 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.080
  • to be able to manifest the
  • 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.100
  • transformative power of God, and
  • 00:12:18.100 --> 00:12:19.140
  • - Darren: So, we headed for the
  • 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:22.240
  • temple, but Ramesh turned and
  • 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.150
  • started leading us away from the
  • 00:12:24.150 --> 00:12:26.040
  • monkey god temple.
  • 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:28.070
  • When I asked him where he was
  • 00:12:28.070 --> 00:12:29.000
  • taking us, that's when he
  • 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.210
  • dropped the bomb on me that he
  • 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:32.000
  • was also the high priest of the
  • 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.110
  • Shiva temple.
  • 00:12:34.110 --> 00:12:36.180
  • - Mark: Well, you know, I'm
  • 00:12:36.180 --> 00:12:37.110
  • just, I'm just following
  • 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:38.250
  • everyone.
  • 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:40.110
  • I'm thinking we're going to the
  • 00:12:40.110 --> 00:12:41.060
  • monkey god temple.
  • 00:12:41.060 --> 00:12:43.280
  • So, we walk up these steps, and
  • 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:45.280
  • I'm thinking this is the monkey
  • 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:47.130
  • god temple?
  • 00:12:47.130 --> 00:12:48.280
  • Doesn't look like the monkey god
  • 00:12:48.280 --> 00:12:49.190
  • temple.
  • 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:50.060
  • I can't see any monkeys, I can't
  • 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:51.090
  • see any statues of monkeys.
  • 00:12:51.260 --> 00:12:54.260
  • Then, I'm told that this is the
  • 00:12:54.260 --> 00:12:57.070
  • Shiva temple.
  • 00:12:57.070 --> 00:12:58.040
  • This is the big one.
  • 00:12:58.040 --> 00:13:00.240
  • - Darren: In a religion of over
  • 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:01.150
  • 3.000.000 gods, Shiva is at the
  • 00:13:01.150 --> 00:13:04.060
  • top.
  • 00:13:04.060 --> 00:13:06.040
  • The Ganges River is holy because
  • 00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:07.160
  • it flows from Shiva's hair.
  • 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:10.110
  • For a Shiva temple to touch the
  • 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:12.000
  • Shiva River is, well, this is
  • 00:13:12.170 --> 00:13:15.170
  • the very heart of Hinduism, and
  • 00:13:15.250 --> 00:13:18.250
  • not only were we about to do
  • 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:20.060
  • what everyone told us was
  • 00:13:20.060 --> 00:13:21.130
  • impossible, but the high priest
  • 00:13:21.130 --> 00:13:23.160
  • of this holy place was actually
  • 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:25.150
  • inviting us to do it, so we
  • 00:13:25.220 --> 00:13:28.220
  • arrived where we shouldn't even
  • 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:30.000
  • be, and Ramesh had another
  • 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.280
  • surprise for us.
  • 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:34.120
  • - Jake: But he's like, "No,
  • 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.000
  • bust out your guitar, and sing
  • 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.110
  • that Freedom song."
  • 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.000
  • The high priest of the god Shiva
  • 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.280
  • is asking me to sing a song of
  • 00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:44.000
  • freedom on the steps of the
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:45.220
  • Ganges River in front of their
  • 00:13:45.220 --> 00:13:47.140
  • temple, so we just, so, we do.
  • 00:13:49.060 --> 00:13:52.060
  • - Jake: You like the freedom
  • 00:13:52.060 --> 00:13:52.250
  • one?
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  • Amazing grace
  • 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.080
  • How sweet
  • 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.060
  • How sweet the sound
  • 00:14:01.060 --> 00:14:03.280
  • That saved
  • 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:05.120
  • That saved a wretch like me
  • 00:14:09.260 --> 00:14:12.260
  • I once was lost
  • 00:14:14.010 --> 00:14:17.010
  • But now, but now I'm found
  • 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:21.060
  • I was blind, but now I see
  • 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:27.050
  • [music]
  • 00:14:27.050 --> 00:14:29.220
  • - Jake: And I start singing
  • 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:30.160
  • "Freedom," like, you know, got
  • 00:14:30.160 --> 00:14:31.260
  • to get to the good part that
  • 00:14:31.260 --> 00:14:32.250
  • the high priest of Shiva would
  • 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:34.060
  • like to have happen on his
  • 00:14:34.060 --> 00:14:35.130
  • temple steps, and so I start
  • 00:14:35.130 --> 00:14:37.110
  • playing, and he just starts,
  • 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:39.060
  • dude, this guy.
  • 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.120
  • - Do-do-do-do-do freedom
  • 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.040
  • Do-do-do-do-do freedom
  • 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:46.180
  • Oh, freedom, freedom
  • 00:14:48.070 --> 00:14:51.070
  • Freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:54.070
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, freedom
  • 00:14:54.070 --> 00:14:56.060
  • Come on
  • 00:14:56.060 --> 00:14:56.260
  • Oh, freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:14:57.220 --> 00:15:00.240
  • Oh, freedom
  • 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.090
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, freedom
  • 00:15:02.090 --> 00:15:03.290
  • Come on, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:03.290 --> 00:15:06.180
  • Oh, freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:07.030 --> 00:15:10.030
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, freedom
  • 00:15:10.030 --> 00:15:12.090
  • Oh, freedom
  • 00:15:12.090 --> 00:15:14.090
  • Oh, freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.200
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, freedom
  • 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.240
  • Do-do-do-do-do freedom
  • 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.010
  • Oh, freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:22.130 --> 00:15:25.130
  • Yeah, yeah, yeah
  • 00:15:25.130 --> 00:15:26.140
  • Freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.200
  • Oh, freedom, oh, freedom
  • 00:15:32.210 --> 00:15:35.210
  • [music]
  • 00:15:35.210 --> 00:15:38.010
  • - [applause]
  • 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:42.270
  • - Jake: How do you describe the
  • 00:15:42.270 --> 00:15:44.150
  • head priest of the temple of
  • 00:15:44.150 --> 00:15:47.030
  • Shiva on the Ganges River
  • 00:15:47.030 --> 00:15:49.150
  • singing, declaring, for just
  • 00:15:49.150 --> 00:15:51.190
  • the, just doing his thing, being
  • 00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:54.000
  • like, "Freedom, freedom."
  • 00:15:54.060 --> 00:15:57.060
  • And you just, yeah, "Freedom,"
  • 00:15:57.060 --> 00:15:58.240
  • and he's just, he's just getting
  • 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.270
  • it right there, just loving it,
  • 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.120
  • and we're just, "God, come and
  • 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.270
  • bring freedom to this place."
  • 00:16:06.270 --> 00:16:08.140
  • That's all we want.
  • 00:16:08.140 --> 00:16:09.190
  • We're not trying to sit here and
  • 00:16:09.190 --> 00:16:10.210
  • convert thousands of people
  • 00:16:10.210 --> 00:16:12.070
  • because the truth, when the
  • 00:16:12.070 --> 00:16:13.110
  • truth, we know where the Spirit
  • 00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:15.110
  • of the Lord is, there's freedom.
  • 00:16:15.110 --> 00:16:17.150
  • Where the Spirit of the Lord is,
  • 00:16:17.150 --> 00:16:18.280
  • there's freedom, and so he's
  • 00:16:18.280 --> 00:16:20.150
  • like, "Let's take this thing to
  • 00:16:20.150 --> 00:16:21.240
  • the streets."
  • 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.050
  • Okay, Ramesh.
  • 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:24.070
  • Let's hit the streets, so we go
  • 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:27.220
  • - male: "I am the Lord, your
  • 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:30.220
  • God.
  • 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:32.050
  • Open wide your mouth, and I will
  • 00:16:32.050 --> 00:16:34.120
  • You are here, God
  • 00:16:36.180 --> 00:16:39.180
  • You are here, God
  • 00:16:39.280 --> 00:16:42.280
  • Your love remains
  • 00:16:42.280 --> 00:16:45.200
  • Oh, love remains
  • 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.240
  • Oh, love remains
  • 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.080
  • Oh, till love remains
  • 00:16:52.280 --> 00:16:55.280
  • Oh, till love remains, God
  • 00:16:56.190 --> 00:16:59.190
  • Till love remains, God
  • 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:04.070
  • Come change the atmosphere
  • 00:17:04.260 --> 00:17:07.260
  • Come show me
  • 00:17:07.260 --> 00:17:09.050
  • You are here, God
  • 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.240
  • You are near, God
  • 00:17:13.010 --> 00:17:16.010
  • You are near, God
  • 00:17:16.100 --> 00:17:19.100
  • You are near, oh
  • 00:17:21.010 --> 00:17:24.010
  • Come change the atmosphere
  • 00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:27.060
  • Come show me you are near
  • 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:31.070
  • - Darren: Later, we would
  • 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:31.290
  • discover that our Christian
  • 00:17:31.290 --> 00:17:32.270
  • friends had secretly assigned
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:34.030
  • each of us two bodyguards as
  • 00:17:34.030 --> 00:17:37.010
  • they were convinced that what we
  • 00:17:37.010 --> 00:17:38.080
  • wanted to do would result in a
  • 00:17:38.080 --> 00:17:39.270
  • riot and possibly our deaths.
  • 00:17:41.100 --> 00:17:44.100
  • Yet no one touched us.
  • 00:17:44.100 --> 00:17:46.150
  • With the high priest at our
  • 00:17:46.150 --> 00:17:47.100
  • side, we openly proclaimed Jesus
  • 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:49.210
  • as Lord in the heart of this,
  • 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:51.160
  • the oldest city in the world.
  • 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:55.030
  • That, by itself, probably would
  • 00:17:55.030 --> 00:17:56.290
  • have been impossible enough to
  • 00:17:56.290 --> 00:17:58.170
  • call this a good day, but this
  • 00:17:58.170 --> 00:18:01.040
  • was God's movie after all, and
  • 00:18:01.040 --> 00:18:03.180
  • he wanted to out with a bang.
  • 00:18:05.050 --> 00:18:08.050
  • We were told it would be
  • 00:18:08.050 --> 00:18:08.290
  • impossible to film inside a
  • 00:18:08.290 --> 00:18:10.170
  • temple on the Ganges River, but
  • 00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:13.040
  • this wasn't just any temple.
  • 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:15.250
  • This was Shiva's temple, making
  • 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:18.080
  • it that much more impossible;
  • 00:18:18.080 --> 00:18:20.290
  • but, with God, all things are
  • 00:18:20.290 --> 00:18:23.250
  • possible, and so we walked in.
  • 00:18:26.030 --> 00:18:29.030
  • Immediately, a man jumped at me
  • 00:18:29.030 --> 00:18:30.230
  • to tell me to stop filming, but
  • 00:18:30.230 --> 00:18:32.250
  • we simply said we were with the
  • 00:18:32.250 --> 00:18:34.040
  • high priest; and, just like
  • 00:18:34.040 --> 00:18:35.150
  • [music]
  • 00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:42.060
  • - Darren: While we were in
  • 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:42.240
  • the temple, I came upon the
  • 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.150
  • holy of holies.
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:46.240
  • It was forbidden for me to
  • 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.000
  • enter, a foreigner, a Christian,
  • 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:51.230
  • but the Holy Spirit is greater
  • 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:53.220
  • than any god, and he opens doors
  • 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:56.150
  • that no man can shut.
  • 00:19:56.150 --> 00:19:59.060
  • - Alok Srivastava: That is
  • 00:19:59.060 --> 00:20:00.070
  • impossible, I would say.
  • 00:20:00.070 --> 00:20:03.000
  • You can't go inside there.
  • 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:04.180
  • If you went, the holies and
  • 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:06.070
  • holies place, nobody's allowed
  • 00:20:06.070 --> 00:20:08.100
  • there, so I don't know.
  • 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:11.140
  • - male: You mean a foreigner?
  • 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:12.160
  • - Alok: Yeah, foreigner.
  • 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:13.170
  • I mean, this is most--
  • 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:15.270
  • - male: It was filmed.
  • 00:20:15.270 --> 00:20:17.080
  • - Alok: Was it filmed?
  • 00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:18.000
  • - male: Yes, it was.
  • 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.170
  • - Alok: Oh, that's something.
  • 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.000
  • I mean, foreigners are not
  • 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.010
  • allowed there.
  • 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:26.080
  • - Darren: Shiva is the
  • 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:27.090
  • destroyer, the god of death and
  • 00:20:27.090 --> 00:20:30.000
  • destruction.
  • 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.100
  • Hindus believe that, within the
  • 00:20:32.100 --> 00:20:33.230
  • holy place, they will be able to
  • 00:20:33.230 --> 00:20:35.160
  • literally touch their god, if
  • 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.240
  • only for a second, and here, I
  • 00:20:37.290 --> 00:20:40.290
  • stood on his doorstep, inside
  • 00:20:40.290 --> 00:20:42.260
  • the holy of holies, doing
  • 00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:44.180
  • something that should have
  • 00:20:44.180 --> 00:20:45.230
  • gotten me killed.
  • 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:48.170
  • This was impossible, yet the God
  • 00:20:48.170 --> 00:20:50.200
  • of love opened a way for me to
  • 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.210
  • enter this place because he had,
  • 00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:55.000
  • I think, a very simple message
  • 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.230
  • for the world.
  • 00:20:57.230 --> 00:21:00.070
  • We try so hard.
  • 00:21:00.070 --> 00:21:01.210
  • We do so many things.
  • 00:21:01.210 --> 00:21:03.080
  • We go to such great lengths in
  • 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:04.230
  • an effort to touch God, when the
  • 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:07.040
  • truth is, he has already sent
  • 00:21:07.040 --> 00:21:09.050
  • I will praise you, Lord, with
  • 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.070
  • all my heart.
  • 00:21:15.070 --> 00:21:16.250
  • Before the gods, I will sing
  • 00:21:16.250 --> 00:21:18.140
  • your praise, for the Lord is the
  • 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:22.020
  • great God, the great king above
  • 00:21:22.060 --> 00:21:25.060
  • - Jake: We get back, and we get
  • 00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:29.020
  • upstairs, and I kind of set this
  • 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:30.060
  • down, and I just, I just start
  • 00:21:30.060 --> 00:21:31.100
  • crying to the pastors, and I
  • 00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:32.160
  • said, "Thank you so much for
  • 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:33.190
  • what you fought for," because we
  • 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:35.070
  • know that what they've done,
  • 00:21:35.070 --> 00:21:37.130
  • this hasn't had anything to do
  • 00:21:37.130 --> 00:21:38.150
  • with us.
  • 00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:39.050
  • What they fought for is being
  • 00:21:39.050 --> 00:21:40.190
  • manifested in the streets, and
  • 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:42.090
  • they said, literally, their
  • 00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:43.160
  • words exactly, they said, "We
  • 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:46.130
  • could have never dreamed for
  • 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:47.250
  • something like this.
  • 00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:49.220
  • Like, we would have never even
  • 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:50.160
  • tried to do what you just did."
  • 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.230
  • Like, then, they showed me these
  • 00:21:52.230 --> 00:21:54.030
  • little press passes, and they
  • 00:21:54.030 --> 00:21:55.100
  • had these little press pass.
  • 00:21:55.100 --> 00:21:56.220
  • They showed us the press pass
  • 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.240
  • and said, "We carry these just
  • 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.080
  • so people won't hurt us as we
  • 00:21:59.080 --> 00:22:00.180
  • silently prayer walk the
  • 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:01.280
  • streets, and you went right into
  • 00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:04.270
  • the midst of it and walked
  • 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:05.250
  • through the streets, declaring
  • 00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:07.120
  • the name of Jesus and freedom,
  • 00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:09.080
  • and no one bothered you.
  • 00:22:09.080 --> 00:22:11.040
  • They actually wanted to join."
  • 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:13.110
  • And he said, "We would have
  • 00:22:13.110 --> 00:22:14.070
  • never," and then he said, and
  • 00:22:14.070 --> 00:22:15.170
  • then they said, "I do not
  • 00:22:15.170 --> 00:22:18.100
  • believe in the history of our
  • 00:22:18.100 --> 00:22:20.040
  • city that this has ever happened
  • 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:22.270
  • before."
  • 00:22:22.270 --> 00:22:25.050
  • What?
  • 00:22:25.050 --> 00:22:26.240
  • Like, who gets to do that stuff,
  • 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.130
  • dude?
  • 00:22:28.130 --> 00:22:30.260
  • Like, we go into 5.000 year
  • 00:22:30.260 --> 00:22:32.180
  • cities and get to just tell
  • 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:33.290
  • Jesus we love him.
  • 00:22:33.290 --> 00:22:36.190
  • We walk through a city, declare
  • 00:22:36.190 --> 00:22:37.160
  • Jesus, and Hindu gods don't just
  • 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.090
  • come crumbling.
  • 00:22:40.090 --> 00:22:41.060
  • They're still in power, but in
  • 00:22:41.060 --> 00:22:42.040
  • the Spirit, but in the Spirit,
  • 00:22:43.020 --> 00:22:46.020
  • something has shifted.
  • 00:22:46.020 --> 00:22:47.210
  • We just encouraged the church a
  • 00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:49.060
  • hundred years ahead of schedule,
  • 00:22:49.060 --> 00:22:50.130
  • maybe, I don't know, ten years.
  • 00:22:50.130 --> 00:22:51.290
  • I don't know, but all I know is
  • 00:22:51.290 --> 00:22:53.110
  • the Christians that walk these
  • 00:22:53.110 --> 00:22:54.210
  • streets every single day, who
  • 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:56.070
  • have no names and no popularity,
  • 00:22:56.070 --> 00:22:58.220
  • they're not selling any CDs.
  • 00:22:58.220 --> 00:23:00.110
  • They don't, nobody cares about
  • 00:23:00.110 --> 00:23:01.170
  • their sermons, we just convinced
  • 00:23:01.170 --> 00:23:03.110
  • them that God wants to take them
  • 00:23:03.110 --> 00:23:05.040
  • farther and deeper than they
  • 00:23:05.040 --> 00:23:06.270
  • could have ever gone on their
  • 00:23:06.270 --> 00:23:08.000
  • own, and we encouraged them,
  • 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.160
  • walked with them, prayed for
  • 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:10.230
  • them, loved on them in a way
  • 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:12.210
  • that nobody even cares about,
  • 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:14.160
  • but something has shifted in the
  • 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.280
  • Spirit, but the truth is, is we
  • 00:23:15.280 --> 00:23:17.280
  • don't give enough credit to
  • 00:23:17.280 --> 00:23:19.020
  • what's broken in the Spirit, to
  • 00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:20.230
  • what God establishes in the
  • 00:23:20.230 --> 00:23:22.180
  • Spirit that changes everything
  • 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:25.040
  • - Darren: Well, Cynthia, you
  • 00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:29.220
  • probably have a unique
  • 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.120
  • perspective because, I mean,
  • 00:23:30.120 --> 00:23:31.160
  • your brother is Lenny Kravitz,
  • 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:33.180
  • you know, so it's like, and
  • 00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:35.220
  • who's a believer, who's a
  • 00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:37.060
  • Spirit
  • 00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:39.040
  • And so, you know, but I think
  • 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:40.170
  • most people assume worship as
  • 00:23:40.170 --> 00:23:42.140
  • being praise and worship music,
  • 00:23:42.140 --> 00:23:44.070
  • right?
  • 00:23:44.070 --> 00:23:45.290
  • And so, like, I'd love to hear
  • 00:23:45.290 --> 00:23:46.250
  • kind of your thoughts.
  • 00:23:46.250 --> 00:23:47.250
  • Can it be a bit more than just
  • 00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:49.230
  • that?
  • 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:51.000
  • - Cynthia Garrett: Well, yeah,
  • 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.150
  • because, before I had any grid
  • 00:23:52.150 --> 00:23:55.010
  • for any kind of real worship
  • 00:23:55.010 --> 00:23:57.110
  • music and gospel music didn't
  • 00:23:58.010 --> 00:24:01.030
  • quite fit, you know, for me, I
  • 00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:04.180
  • didn't have a wealth of
  • 00:24:04.180 --> 00:24:05.290
  • knowledge of it, I used to just
  • 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:08.130
  • sing secular love songs to
  • 00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:09.260
  • Jesus.
  • 00:24:09.260 --> 00:24:11.040
  • I mean, and I, you know, I knew,
  • 00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:12.130
  • driving in my car, I was pouring
  • 00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:14.100
  • out my heart to the Lord, and I
  • 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:16.090
  • know that he was just as pleased
  • 00:24:16.090 --> 00:24:18.180
  • then as if I'm pouring my heart
  • 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.080
  • out to the Lord, and, you know,
  • 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:22.270
  • Stephanie Gretzinger's singing
  • 00:24:22.270 --> 00:24:24.070
  • or something.
  • 00:24:24.070 --> 00:24:25.150
  • - Jake: Like, he's, one of my
  • 00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:26.210
  • friends, they said that God's
  • 00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:28.080
  • like an elephant trying to hide
  • 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:29.120
  • behind a reed, you know what I
  • 00:24:29.120 --> 00:24:30.100
  • mean?
  • 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:31.130
  • But the only people who find him
  • 00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:32.110
  • are those who are looking, and
  • 00:24:32.110 --> 00:24:33.230
  • it's like, it's really who's
  • 00:24:33.230 --> 00:24:35.060
  • looking.
  • 00:24:35.060 --> 00:24:36.060
  • Like, he's in everything.
  • 00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:37.240
  • He is the Creator.
  • 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.110
  • There is not one thing the devil
  • 00:24:39.110 --> 00:24:41.080
  • created, nothing.
  • 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:42.140
  • He's a distorter, perverter, a
  • 00:24:42.140 --> 00:24:43.200
  • liar, a cheater, a thief, and a
  • 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.040
  • murderer.
  • 00:24:45.040 --> 00:24:45.280
  • He created nothing.
  • 00:24:45.280 --> 00:24:47.060
  • That means anything that got the
  • 00:24:47.060 --> 00:24:48.080
  • devil's lyrics on it, if we're
  • 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:49.130
  • talking just in terms of music,
  • 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:51.030
  • anything that got the devil's
  • 00:24:51.030 --> 00:24:52.020
  • lyrics on it is because the
  • 00:24:52.020 --> 00:24:53.130
  • church rejected it first.
  • 00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:54.280
  • - Bryan: I feel like my song or
  • 00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:56.260
  • my giving, my devotionals,
  • 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.260
  • whatever those expressions are
  • 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:02.210
  • awesome, but he doesn't need
  • 00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:04.230
  • that to love me more.
  • 00:25:04.230 --> 00:25:07.110
  • Like, those disciplines are a
  • 00:25:07.110 --> 00:25:08.290
  • way that I actually can love him
  • 00:25:08.290 --> 00:25:10.100
  • a little bit better, you know?
  • 00:25:10.100 --> 00:25:11.250
  • Figure out how to love him
  • 00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:12.270
  • better.
  • 00:25:12.270 --> 00:25:14.000
  • He's satisfied if I never gave
  • 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.090
  • him one expression.
  • 00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:16.250
  • Like, I don't think for one
  • 00:25:16.250 --> 00:25:17.260
  • moment, if I didn't give him
  • 00:25:17.260 --> 00:25:19.070
  • some form of song this morning
  • 00:25:19.070 --> 00:25:21.170
  • before I came over to this table
  • 00:25:21.170 --> 00:25:24.000
  • discussion, I don't think he's
  • 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.050
  • disappointed.
  • 00:25:25.050 --> 00:25:26.020
  • I don't think he's, I know he
  • 00:25:26.020 --> 00:25:27.270
  • accepts me, and I think,
  • 00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:30.010
  • therefore, my worship is
  • 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:31.280
  • - Jake: You know, Darren walks
  • 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:34.220
  • in like he owns the joint.
  • 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.030
  • Darren decides, "I know what I'm
  • 00:25:36.030 --> 00:25:38.110
  • going to do.
  • 00:25:38.110 --> 00:25:39.100
  • I'm going to go into what is
  • 00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:41.160
  • essentially their version of the
  • 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.250
  • holy of holies."
  • 00:25:42.250 --> 00:25:43.140
  • Like, it is the place that
  • 00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:45.030
  • you just do not go, you do not
  • 00:25:45.030 --> 00:25:46.260
  • touch unless you're going.
  • 00:25:46.260 --> 00:25:48.240
  • That is where they believe half
  • 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.120
  • of this god resides.
  • 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:52.110
  • Like, they are going in and
  • 00:25:52.110 --> 00:25:53.200
  • literally putting their hands on
  • 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.010
  • god, and Darren just walks in
  • 00:25:57.050 --> 00:26:00.070
  • with the camera.
  • 00:26:00.070 --> 00:26:01.130
  • Now, the reality isn't so much
  • 00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:03.220
  • that, you have to understand
  • 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.240
  • that he should be beaten and
  • 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.080
  • killed and thrown into the river
  • 00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:11.110
  • for this happening.
  • 00:26:11.110 --> 00:26:12.270
  • That's the way it should work.
  • 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:13.270
  • That's the way this should roll,
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  • because, number one, not only
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  • did you film in there, but you
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  • are a foreigner filming in
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  • there.
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  • The foreigners shouldn't even be
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  • in the temple, should not be in
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  • the temple at all so, now, you
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  • not only are a foreigner with a
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  • camera.
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  • You are a Christian carrying the
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  • presence of God, walking into
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  • the center of where their god
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  • resides and saying, "There is
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  • something more.
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  • There is a presence more
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  • important than the stone built
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  • of," that, to me, is like,
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  • that's the book of Acts.
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  • We walk into those places, and
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  • we declare the name of Jesus.
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  • We release the presence of God,
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  • and, automatically, darkness has
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  • to flee, so, now, you've got
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  • essentially an empty, an empty
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  • room with no presence but the
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  • presence of God, and I love that
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  • we're with people, and we're
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  • around people who say, "We don't
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  • really care about how this is
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  • supposed to work, not because we
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  • want to be offensive or
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  • disrespectful, but we believe,
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  • we love you so much we have to
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  • say something and do something."
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  • If I tell you that I love you
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  • and do nothing, it means
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  • nothing.
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  • If I tell you that I love you
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  • and don't do anything about it,
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  • I don't try to deliver truth to
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  • you, which is, that's what Jesus
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  • said the Holy Spirit would do.
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  • The Holy Spirit, when Jesus
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  • describes him in Scripture, when
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  • Jesus says, "It's good that I
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  • go, so that another could come,"
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  • when he says that, he says it
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  • for two reasons.
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  • Number one, he's going to
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  • convict the world of sin, and,
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  • number two, he's going to be the
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  • revealer of truth.
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  • And when we carry the presence,
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  • sure, signs and wonders are
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  • going to follow those who
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  • believe.
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  • That's the easy part, but to
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  • carry such a presence that
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  • there's a conviction of a sin
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  • and a revelation of truth?
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  • That rarely happens, and, when
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  • you walk into their holy of
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  • holies, and go, "Come."
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  • And we should be killed for it,
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  • but we walk in like, "No, we
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  • know who we are in Christ," you
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  • know?
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  • I think that's the deception on
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  • most people.
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  • They just don't know who they
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  • are in Jesus.
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  • They don't know who they are as
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  • a child of God, so they're
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  • afraid of those places.
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  • Like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  • We're not supposed to go there.
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  • Who knows what's going to
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  • happen?"
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  • No, I know what's going to
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  • happen.
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  • Even if I die, I know what's
  • 00:28:15.090 --> 00:28:16.050
  • going to happen.
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  • - Mark: It's beyond words.
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  • I don't have the words to
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  • express how I feel inside.
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  • I'm just so thankful to God for
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  • saving and protecting us because
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  • there was a real threat of
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  • death, I mean real threat of
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  • death.
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  • But I'd already settled that in
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  • my heart because our Lord had
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  • asked me that question.
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  • Would I be willing to die for
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  • him, before I was even invited
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  • to be on this film.
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  • It's really hard to process.
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  • You can't process it in 24
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  • hours.
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  • This is going to be with me for
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  • - Darren: Could it be that
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  • worship is something much bigger
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  • than we think, that it might go
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  • beyond just the songs we sing in
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  • church but may also be found in
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  • the world in a variety of
  • 00:29:05.090 --> 00:29:06.210
  • different forms and sounds and
  • 00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:08.110
  • mouthpieces?
  • 00:29:08.110 --> 00:29:10.060
  • If it's true that music is only
  • 00:29:10.060 --> 00:29:11.190
  • one aspect of the worship
  • 00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:13.000
  • experience, then maybe God is
  • 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.050
  • calling us into a much bigger
  • 00:29:15.050 --> 00:29:16.290
  • understanding, not just of how
  • 00:29:16.290 --> 00:29:19.030
  • we worship him but also a bigger
  • 00:29:19.030 --> 00:29:21.010
  • understanding of who he is and
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  • what he ultimately desires from
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