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What Is Prophecy?

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January 16, 2018
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  • - Darren Wilson: For 10 years,
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  • I've traveled the world in an
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  • attempt to film God touching
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  • people's lives, and I've
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  • captured some of the most
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  • incredible moments of faith and
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  • miracles ever caught on film.
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  • But I've discovered that faith
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  • is as much about questions, as
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  • it is answers, as much mystery,
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  • as it is certainty.
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  • So I want to take you on a new
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  • adventure.
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  • Together we'll wrestle with big
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  • questions about God, but we'll
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  • also see faith in its purest
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  • form.
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  • It's time to face our questions
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  • head on.
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  • It's time to see proof that God
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  • exists.
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  • It's time for, "Adventures with
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  • - Darren: In all my time,
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  • traveling the world, making
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  • these films and TV shows,
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  • speaking in churches and talking
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  • with people, it's become
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  • increasingly clear that the
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  • topic of the prophetic is easily
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  • one of the most misunderstood
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  • aspects of a Spirit-filled life.
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  • I've seen people think it's a
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  • gift given to a select few, I've
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  • seen people say it's a gift that
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  • everyone can use, and I've seen
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  • people abuse this gift.
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  • I've also seen my fair share of
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  • people say they are giving me a
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  • Word from the Lord when, in
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  • reality, nothing could be
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  • further from the truth.
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  • So what do we do with something
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  • like this, something with the
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  • power to both build up but also
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  • with the power to cause real
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  • damage and seriously disillusion
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  • people?
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  • What is prophecy, and how
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  • exactly should we use it?
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  • I traveled with Jamie Galloway
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  • to his hometown of St. Louis,
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  • where his brother owns a pizza
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  • joint to see the prophetic in
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  • - Jamie Galloway: So we're
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  • downtown, St. Louis, and we're
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  • goin' to scout out or lookin'
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  • for some people, hungry people,
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  • and particularly we're looking
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  • for some homeless people.
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  • We wanna give them food, and
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  • then we wanna prophesy, see what
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  • God does, but we're hopin' that
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  • we can find some people that are
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  • hungry.
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  • We've got good pizza.
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  • - male: Where's the pizza from?
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  • - Jamie: Pizza's from PaPPo's.
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  • That's my dad's restaurant,
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  • PaPPo's, look it up.
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  • St. Louis, Missouri, Lake of the
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  • Ozarks, Springfield, Missouri.
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  • - male: Hey, Jamie, why don't
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  • you introduce us to your friend?
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  • - Jamie: That's my brother
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  • right there.
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  • Now, he may look older.
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  • It's only because he's aged
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  • quicker, okay?
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  • There's some, you know--
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  • - Warren Galloway: I'm
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  • definitely the better looking
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  • one.
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  • - Darren: That's true.
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  • - Warren: It's very apparent,
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  • you know.
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  • - Darren: Say what?
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  • - Warren: Some people are
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  • sleepin'.
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  • - Darren: Hey, you guys hungry?
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  • - male: Yeah, right here!
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  • - Warren: Come on, we got some
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  • pizza!
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  • - male: Yeah, right here!
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  • - Warren: Come on.
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  • - Darren: We're actually--we're
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  • makin' a TV show.
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  • You guys wanna be in it?
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  • - male: Yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
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  • - Darren: Come on, now!
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  • - male: You guys got a TV show?
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  • - Darren: Yeah, TV show, man.
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  • - male: What you want me to
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  • say?
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  • What I gotta--
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  • - Darren: No, no, no.
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  • You don't have to say anything.
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  • We're makin' a show about how
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  • much God loves people, so we're
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  • just gonna hook you guys up with
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  • some food.
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  • - Warren: Grab a piece, man.
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  • - Darren: Come on over.
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  • You just get a piece.
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  • - Warren: You gotta get up
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  • though.
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  • - Darren: We'll bring it to
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  • you, buddy.
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  • We'll bring it to you.
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  • - male: I want a piece of that
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  • slice, man.
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  • - Jamie: Your leg hurts?
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  • - male: Yeah.
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  • - Darren: Could we pray for
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  • you?
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  • Awesome.
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  • Is it in pain?
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  • Is it in pain right now?
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  • You feel pain right now?
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  • - Patrick: I can feel it from
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  • here, all the way up to here.
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  • - Darren: You feel it right
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  • now, the pain?
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  • - Jamie: Wow.
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  • - Darren: Okay.
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  • - Jamie: Well, what if I told
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  • you Jesus wanted to heal you?
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  • - Patrick: I would believe it.
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  • - Jamie: I know you would, man.
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  • Come on.
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  • That's awesome right there.
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  • Look, enjoy your pizza for a
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  • minute, and then we're gonna
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  • pray in a minute.
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  • That's good.
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  • Now, what's your name?
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  • - Matthew: Matthew.
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  • - Jamie: Matthew?
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  • Patrick, Matthew.
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  • What's your name down there?
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  • I'm sorry?
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  • - Lori: It's Lori.
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  • - Jamie: Lori, nice to meet
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  • you.
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  • I'm Jamie.
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  • How're ya doin'?
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  • Some good pizza, huh?
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  • - Matthew: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: These guys almost ate
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  • the whole restaurant last night.
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  • - Matthew: Wish I could have
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  • another one.
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  • - Jamie: I know, man.
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  • Well, we got more.
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  • We got more, but I wanna pray
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  • with you guys, you know.
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  • We're doin' this show, and it's
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  • basically our whole thing is
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  • that God speaks, and he's
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  • talkin' all the time, you know.
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  • He's always sayin' somethin',
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  • and so we just wanna really find
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  • out if God's speakin' to you,
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  • you know?
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  • If you could say God's speakin'
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  • right now, what would you say
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  • that he's telling you?
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  • - Matthew: Jesus loves me
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  • This I know
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  • - Jamie: Yeah.
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  • For the Bible tells me so
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  • - Jamie: Come on.
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  • - Matthew: Little ones
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  • They do not know
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  • They are weak
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  • But he is strong
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  • - Jamie: Come on, man, that's
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  • awesome, Matthew.
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  • That's awesome, yes!
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  • That's awesome, yeah.
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  • Well, we wanna pray with you
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  • guys if you guys are okay with
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  • that.
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  • I don't wanna assume anything,
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  • you know what I'm sayin'?
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  • - Matthew: We're fine, we need
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  • prayer.
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  • - Jamie: We were down in Forest
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  • Park, prayin' for people, and
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  • then we're just, kind of, like,
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  • doin' the rounds, just makin'
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  • sure we're hittin' all the
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  • corners of downtown.
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  • So is it hurtin' right now?
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  • - Patrick: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: All right, let's pray.
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  • Let's pray for Patrick, okay?
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  • Father--is it okay if I put my
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  • hand on you?
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  • - Patrick: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: Okay.
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  • Thank you, Father, for your
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  • healing presence right now.
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  • I ask for your presence to heal
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  • Patrick.
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  • In the name of Jesus, let your
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  • love come.
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  • Pain, leave his leg now, in
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  • Jesus' name.
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  • There it is.
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  • More.
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  • You feel that?
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  • Feel that warmth?
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  • - Patrick: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: Double it, Lord, more.
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  • Thank you, Father, double it.
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  • Now, the pain's leaving right
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  • now.
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  • There it goes.
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  • Go, pain, leave.
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  • Muscle, be healed.
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  • Bone, be healed in Jesus' name.
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  • Now I want you to--I'm gonna ask
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  • you to do somethin'.
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  • Try movin' around in a way that
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  • - Patrick: Oh, that don't hurt
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  • at all.
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  • - Jamie: That doesn't hurt at
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  • all?
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  • - Patrick: No, I used to have
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  • trouble gettin' up.
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  • - Jamie: What's that?
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  • - Patrick: I used to have
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  • trouble gettin' up.
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  • - Jamie: You used to have
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  • trouble gettin' up?
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  • That's amazing, man.
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  • Can you walk from here to there
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  • and tell me how it feels?
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  • - Patrick: Hurts a little, but
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  • not much.
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  • - Jamie: Hurts a little, but
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  • not that much?
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  • - Patrick: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: So it was more painful
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  • before?
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  • - Patrick: Yeah.
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  • - Jamie: Yeah?
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  • Now let me ask you, did you mess
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  • up your hip too?
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  • - Patrick: I had--my entire
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  • pelvis is shattered.
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  • - Jamie: It's all shattered.
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  • Let's pray.
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  • - Patrick: It was replaced with
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  • a metal steel pelvis, all right
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  • there, there, there, until over
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  • here.
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  • - Jamie: Dude, you got knocked
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  • out, man.
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  • We're gonna pray, okay?
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  • - Patrick: All right.
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  • - Jamie: Yeah, put your hand on
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  • your hip.
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  • I'm gonna put my hand over your
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  • hip, okay?
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  • Thank you, Father, for Patrick
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  • right now.
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  • I bless him, God.
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  • You know where he's been.
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  • You know where he's goin'.
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  • He's got a great future.
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  • He wants to get reconnected with
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  • his family.
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  • I bless him.
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  • Let your power come.
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  • I command the bone to be healed
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  • and the metal to dissolve now.
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  • In Jesus' name, get out of his
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  • body, and let the bone be
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  • restored back to its original,
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  • healthy form, in Jesus' name.
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  • Thank you, Father.
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  • Thank you, Father, amen.
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  • Now, try walkin' on that.
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  • Any difference?
  • 00:07:51.090 --> 00:07:52.100
  • - Patrick: No.
  • 00:07:52.100 --> 00:07:53.080
  • - Jamie: No?
  • 00:07:53.080 --> 00:07:53.250
  • Still a little bit of pain?
  • 00:07:53.250 --> 00:07:54.240
  • - Patrick: Yeah.
  • 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.030
  • - Jamie: Is there less pain
  • 00:07:56.030 --> 00:07:57.230
  • than before or same pain?
  • 00:07:57.230 --> 00:07:59.250
  • - Patrick: Same.
  • 00:07:59.250 --> 00:08:00.200
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:08:00.200 --> 00:08:02.100
  • - Patrick: It's starting to
  • 00:08:02.100 --> 00:08:02.280
  • come back now.
  • 00:08:02.280 --> 00:08:03.270
  • Gotta sit back down.
  • 00:08:03.270 --> 00:08:05.030
  • - Jamie: Yeah, man, let me help
  • 00:08:05.030 --> 00:08:05.260
  • you.
  • 00:08:05.260 --> 00:08:08.160
  • You good?
  • 00:08:20.010 --> 00:08:21.150
  • You need a piece of pizza?
  • 00:08:21.150 --> 00:08:22.190
  • - Patrick: Yeah.
  • 00:08:22.190 --> 00:08:23.090
  • - Jamie: Hey, let's get this
  • 00:08:23.090 --> 00:08:23.280
  • guy another piece of pizza.
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  • - Warren: All right.
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  • - Jamie: Well, dude, I believe
  • 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:26.200
  • God's gonna completely heal
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  • this, man.
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  • Here's what I know.
  • 00:08:30.220 --> 00:08:31.290
  • Every time we pray, he begins to
  • 00:08:31.290 --> 00:08:34.020
  • work.
  • 00:08:34.020 --> 00:08:35.210
  • We just pray, and let him do the
  • 00:08:35.210 --> 00:08:37.020
  • rest, you hear me?
  • 00:08:38.020 --> 00:08:41.020
  • For real, okay?
  • 00:08:41.020 --> 00:08:42.200
  • I'm gonna pray that God
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  • reconnects you to your family.
  • 00:08:43.140 --> 00:08:45.230
  • - Warren: Can we give him a
  • 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:46.100
  • piece?
  • 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:46.280
  • - Jamie: Yeah, get him some
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  • big--get him a big piece right
  • 00:08:47.160 --> 00:08:48.230
  • here.
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  • - Warren: There you go.
  • 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.200
  • - Patrick: Oh, thank you.
  • 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:53.280
  • - Jamie: Absolutely.
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  • - Warren: Here's a couple more.
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  • - Jamie: So, hey, listen, man,
  • 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:02.230
  • God loves you, dude.
  • 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:05.000
  • You got an awesome thing comin'.
  • 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.120
  • I know you had a lot of setbacks
  • 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.180
  • in life, dude, and I know it's
  • 00:09:09.180 --> 00:09:11.110
  • been painful, and Lord knows
  • 00:09:11.110 --> 00:09:14.070
  • only what you've been through,
  • 00:09:14.070 --> 00:09:15.050
  • dude, but God's got a huge
  • 00:09:15.050 --> 00:09:17.060
  • future for you, man.
  • 00:09:17.060 --> 00:09:18.170
  • I'm tellin' ya.
  • 00:09:18.170 --> 00:09:19.250
  • I could see it in your eyes.
  • 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:20.230
  • You got a fire in your eyes,
  • 00:09:20.230 --> 00:09:21.180
  • man.
  • 00:09:21.180 --> 00:09:22.110
  • You won't give up, and God's for
  • 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:25.040
  • you, you know that?
  • 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:27.180
  • And I'm gonna be prayin' for you
  • 00:09:27.180 --> 00:09:28.270
  • this week, okay?
  • 00:09:28.270 --> 00:09:30.260
  • Is that okay that I do that?
  • 00:09:30.260 --> 00:09:32.000
  • - Patrick: Yeah.
  • 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:32.150
  • - Darren: All right, so in this
  • 00:09:35.170 --> 00:09:36.190
  • episode, we are looking at a
  • 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:39.070
  • really simple question, "What is
  • 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:40.230
  • prophecy?" and "How do you do
  • 00:09:41.050 --> 00:09:44.050
  • it?"
  • 00:09:44.050 --> 00:09:44.240
  • "Can anybody do it?"
  • 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:45.170
  • All that kind of stuff.
  • 00:09:45.170 --> 00:09:46.130
  • But I think, first, we have to,
  • 00:09:46.280 --> 00:09:49.280
  • you know--and I'm really excited
  • 00:09:49.280 --> 00:09:51.170
  • about this 'cause it's like I
  • 00:09:51.170 --> 00:09:53.070
  • got four of the most prophetic
  • 00:09:53.070 --> 00:09:55.160
  • friends that I have, which I got
  • 00:09:55.160 --> 00:09:57.150
  • 'em all at a table, and I can't
  • 00:09:57.150 --> 00:09:58.170
  • wait to just--
  • 00:09:58.170 --> 00:09:59.070
  • - Robby Dawkins: You don't have
  • 00:09:59.070 --> 00:09:59.270
  • very many.
  • 00:09:59.270 --> 00:10:00.100
  • - Darren: I don't have very
  • 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:00.280
  • many.
  • 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:01.120
  • There's only a few others.
  • 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.180
  • No, but, you know, I'm really
  • 00:10:02.180 --> 00:10:04.030
  • excited just to, kind of, hear
  • 00:10:04.030 --> 00:10:04.280
  • you guys' process, and I think
  • 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:06.220
  • people are gonna be really
  • 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:07.270
  • excited to see, to just hear,
  • 00:10:07.270 --> 00:10:09.130
  • like, how do you do it?
  • 00:10:09.130 --> 00:10:11.260
  • You know, like, just, how do
  • 00:10:11.260 --> 00:10:13.290
  • they learn how to do it?
  • 00:10:13.290 --> 00:10:14.290
  • All that kind of stuff, so we'll
  • 00:10:14.290 --> 00:10:15.250
  • get to that, but first I think
  • 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:17.030
  • we need to define our terms and
  • 00:10:17.030 --> 00:10:19.070
  • just say, right off the bat,
  • 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:20.270
  • okay, like, what actually is
  • 00:10:20.270 --> 00:10:23.080
  • prophecy?
  • 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:24.200
  • Like, what is it?
  • 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:25.090
  • How would you define it to
  • 00:10:25.090 --> 00:10:25.260
  • somebody?
  • 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:27.120
  • - Robby: I would say, hearing
  • 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:28.010
  • God for others, you know, and
  • 00:10:28.010 --> 00:10:29.270
  • hearing God for yourself.
  • 00:10:29.270 --> 00:10:31.070
  • I mean, it's just hearing the
  • 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:32.080
  • voice of God, and, you know, in
  • 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.040
  • the simplest answer, that's what
  • 00:10:35.040 --> 00:10:36.260
  • I would say.
  • 00:10:36.260 --> 00:10:39.080
  • - Darren: Anybody else to add
  • 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:39.270
  • anything to that?
  • 00:10:39.270 --> 00:10:41.010
  • - Jamie: Yeah, I mean, I think
  • 00:10:41.010 --> 00:10:42.040
  • that's awesome.
  • 00:10:42.040 --> 00:10:44.200
  • I love that.
  • 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:45.210
  • It's a revealing of the heart
  • 00:10:45.210 --> 00:10:47.180
  • and mind of God, so it's gotta
  • 00:10:47.180 --> 00:10:49.200
  • have a combination of both, you
  • 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.220
  • know, for me, because there's
  • 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:53.170
  • gotta be a heart connect.
  • 00:10:53.170 --> 00:10:55.210
  • It draws people near to his
  • 00:10:55.210 --> 00:10:56.190
  • heart, but it also reveals
  • 00:10:56.190 --> 00:10:57.280
  • something he thinks about them,
  • 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:00.130
  • you know?
  • 00:11:00.130 --> 00:11:01.060
  • So it's a really beautiful
  • 00:11:01.060 --> 00:11:03.230
  • thing.
  • 00:11:03.230 --> 00:11:04.130
  • I think it's, in my opinion,
  • 00:11:04.130 --> 00:11:06.150
  • it's the most relational form of
  • 00:11:06.150 --> 00:11:08.180
  • ministry and intimate form of
  • 00:11:08.180 --> 00:11:11.000
  • ministry that God does with
  • 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.280
  • individuals from one person to
  • 00:11:12.280 --> 00:11:14.280
  • another, and so anytime we share
  • 00:11:14.280 --> 00:11:17.230
  • a prophetic word, we're inviting
  • 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:20.170
  • that person to an encounter with
  • 00:11:20.170 --> 00:11:22.020
  • God.
  • 00:11:22.020 --> 00:11:23.190
  • - Chad Norris: I didn't grow up
  • 00:11:23.190 --> 00:11:24.090
  • in a charismatic stream, and,
  • 00:11:24.090 --> 00:11:25.290
  • obviously, now I pastor a church
  • 00:11:25.290 --> 00:11:26.240
  • in a charismatic stream, you
  • 00:11:26.260 --> 00:11:29.260
  • know, words of knowledge,
  • 00:11:29.260 --> 00:11:31.050
  • prophecy, words of discernment.
  • 00:11:31.050 --> 00:11:33.210
  • I just, I never intentionally
  • 00:11:33.210 --> 00:11:36.040
  • stayed away from that language.
  • 00:11:36.040 --> 00:11:37.060
  • I just--it's just so relational
  • 00:11:37.060 --> 00:11:39.200
  • for the way in which I lead,
  • 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:40.290
  • that we just teach people how to
  • 00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:41.290
  • build deep friendship with him
  • 00:11:41.290 --> 00:11:43.070
  • and hear him.
  • 00:11:43.070 --> 00:11:44.120
  • - Shawn Bolz: I just love that.
  • 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:45.110
  • I love the answers because we're
  • 00:11:45.110 --> 00:11:46.060
  • all talkin', using relational
  • 00:11:46.060 --> 00:11:47.140
  • language, which is a big
  • 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:48.240
  • paradigm shift for a lot of
  • 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.200
  • people, and I think I would tend
  • 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.150
  • to agree with all of you, and I
  • 00:11:52.150 --> 00:11:53.250
  • would say, one step backwards
  • 00:11:53.250 --> 00:11:55.020
  • from it is--goes back into what
  • 00:11:55.020 --> 00:11:56.270
  • Jamie was saying is, if you know
  • 00:11:56.270 --> 00:11:58.020
  • what God's thinking, like, 1
  • 00:11:58.020 --> 00:11:59.250
  • Corinthians 2, where it says we
  • 00:11:59.250 --> 00:12:01.050
  • experience, like, the depths and
  • 00:12:01.050 --> 00:12:03.030
  • the innermost thoughts of God
  • 00:12:03.030 --> 00:12:04.160
  • through the Holy Spirit, and we
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.240
  • have his mind, and so, for me,
  • 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.010
  • even in my process, it's like I
  • 00:12:07.010 --> 00:12:08.100
  • feel like I share head space
  • 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:09.090
  • with God.
  • 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:10.150
  • Like, all of a sudden, I have
  • 00:12:10.150 --> 00:12:11.050
  • his consciousness and my
  • 00:12:11.050 --> 00:12:12.030
  • consciousness merge, and I'm
  • 00:12:12.030 --> 00:12:13.040
  • thinking these thoughts about
  • 00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:14.150
  • his original intentions over
  • 00:12:14.150 --> 00:12:15.190
  • humanity and his original
  • 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:17.010
  • thoughts over what he wanted in
  • 00:12:17.010 --> 00:12:18.120
  • people's lives, and it's so
  • 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.210
  • beautiful.
  • 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:20.110
  • It's like such a artistic,
  • 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:21.220
  • creative, beautiful process, and
  • 00:12:21.220 --> 00:12:24.080
  • so I think it is that simple.
  • 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.130
  • It's like, "What're you thinking
  • 00:12:25.130 --> 00:12:26.170
  • right now?"
  • 00:12:26.170 --> 00:12:27.110
  • Like, "What did you think about
  • 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:28.050
  • this person?"
  • 00:12:28.050 --> 00:12:28.290
  • And it's like you can't look at
  • 00:12:28.290 --> 00:12:30.050
  • what they're not or what hasn't
  • 00:12:30.050 --> 00:12:31.170
  • happened yet.
  • 00:12:31.170 --> 00:12:32.130
  • You're looking for what he
  • 00:12:32.130 --> 00:12:33.180
  • originally planned for millions
  • 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:35.290
  • of years or eternity before they
  • 00:12:35.290 --> 00:12:37.010
  • were ever created or the region
  • 00:12:37.010 --> 00:12:38.010
  • or the city or the industry,
  • 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:39.040
  • whatever.
  • 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:40.040
  • You get to see his original plan
  • 00:12:40.040 --> 00:12:41.160
  • and design, and then your only
  • 00:12:41.160 --> 00:12:43.170
  • job is to love them to that.
  • 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:46.000
  • Sometimes it's through words.
  • 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:46.290
  • Sometimes it's through the way
  • 00:12:46.290 --> 00:12:47.210
  • you treat them.
  • 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:48.130
  • I mean, the prophetic could be a
  • 00:12:48.130 --> 00:12:49.040
  • culture before it's even a word
  • 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:50.290
  • for somebody.
  • 00:12:50.290 --> 00:12:51.190
  • It's the way you treat somebody,
  • 00:12:51.190 --> 00:12:52.230
  • you know, and so that's kind of
  • 00:12:52.230 --> 00:12:54.040
  • where I come from.
  • 00:12:54.040 --> 00:12:54.290
  • I think I'm far more prophetic
  • 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:56.000
  • in my actions in just how I'm
  • 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.220
  • loving people a lot of times in
  • 00:12:57.220 --> 00:12:58.220
  • - Jamie: How about you guys?
  • 00:13:00.250 --> 00:13:01.140
  • Can I pray with you?
  • 00:13:01.140 --> 00:13:02.180
  • - Matthew: Yes, sir.
  • 00:13:02.180 --> 00:13:03.050
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:13:03.050 --> 00:13:03.200
  • Awesome!
  • 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:04.190
  • Matthew, all right, buddy!
  • 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:06.110
  • Yeah, God's got some good stuff
  • 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:07.240
  • to say, man.
  • 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.050
  • You have any dreams?
  • 00:13:09.050 --> 00:13:10.220
  • - Matthew: All the time.
  • 00:13:10.220 --> 00:13:11.110
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:12.060
  • You have a recurring dream that
  • 00:13:12.060 --> 00:13:13.060
  • you're like, "I don't know what
  • 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:14.170
  • this means," but it just keeps
  • 00:13:14.170 --> 00:13:15.280
  • happenin' over and over?
  • 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:17.070
  • - Matthew: Yes, sir.
  • 00:13:17.070 --> 00:13:17.280
  • - Jamie: Which one?
  • 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:19.170
  • - Matthew: I was the biggest
  • 00:13:19.170 --> 00:13:20.090
  • wolf over the whole entire
  • 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:21.220
  • universe.
  • 00:13:21.220 --> 00:13:22.280
  • - Jamie: You were the biggest
  • 00:13:22.280 --> 00:13:23.170
  • wolf over the whole entire
  • 00:13:23.170 --> 00:13:24.120
  • universe?
  • 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.180
  • Come on!
  • 00:13:25.180 --> 00:13:26.180
  • That's great!
  • 00:13:26.180 --> 00:13:28.040
  • Do you know what that means?
  • 00:13:28.040 --> 00:13:29.070
  • - Matthew: No.
  • 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:30.130
  • - Jamie: No?
  • 00:13:30.130 --> 00:13:31.080
  • It means God's called you to be
  • 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:32.030
  • a leader.
  • 00:13:32.030 --> 00:13:34.130
  • I just feel for you, man, that
  • 00:13:34.130 --> 00:13:35.110
  • God, he's gonna--you know,
  • 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:37.260
  • there's gold inside of you, and
  • 00:13:37.260 --> 00:13:40.170
  • you know that, and you're fully
  • 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:44.020
  • aware of that.
  • 00:13:44.020 --> 00:13:44.290
  • There's like a real gold, like a
  • 00:13:44.290 --> 00:13:47.030
  • real purity in your heart, and I
  • 00:13:47.030 --> 00:13:49.140
  • just see in this season of your
  • 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:51.090
  • life, God's about to unearth
  • 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:53.150
  • that gold, and you're about to
  • 00:13:53.150 --> 00:13:54.190
  • see what he's made in you, he's
  • 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:57.080
  • formed and fashioned in you, but
  • 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.000
  • this is a time to get back to
  • 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:00.070
  • the songs, you know?
  • 00:14:00.070 --> 00:14:02.210
  • So was your family in music?
  • 00:14:02.280 --> 00:14:05.280
  • - Matthew: My mother.
  • 00:14:05.280 --> 00:14:06.240
  • - Jamie: Yeah, your mother?
  • 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:07.280
  • Yeah, I see that the Lord's
  • 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:11.100
  • showing me that, in your family,
  • 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:12.290
  • that there was a music and
  • 00:14:12.290 --> 00:14:14.020
  • heritage and that--was there
  • 00:14:14.160 --> 00:14:17.160
  • show business too or some kind
  • 00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:19.000
  • of, like, entertainment side?
  • 00:14:19.190 --> 00:14:22.190
  • - Matthew: I don't know about
  • 00:14:22.190 --> 00:14:23.080
  • that.
  • 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:23.290
  • I don't know about my family
  • 00:14:23.290 --> 00:14:24.230
  • history.
  • 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:25.230
  • I just know about my mother.
  • 00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:27.140
  • - Jamie: Yeah, yeah, but I see,
  • 00:14:27.170 --> 00:14:30.170
  • you know, God put a song inside
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  • of you.
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  • It's a beautiful song, man, and
  • 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:35.080
  • this is a time to really let
  • 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.290
  • that song come out, you know
  • 00:14:36.290 --> 00:14:38.260
  • what I'm sayin'?
  • 00:14:38.260 --> 00:14:39.210
  • And then we have--who's this
  • 00:14:39.210 --> 00:14:41.100
  • again?
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  • Lori, you are awesome.
  • 00:14:42.280 --> 00:14:45.180
  • Did you get some pizza?
  • 00:14:45.180 --> 00:14:46.200
  • - Lori: Yes.
  • 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:47.080
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.000
  • Well, I wanna pray with you.
  • 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.010
  • Is that okay?
  • 00:14:49.010 --> 00:14:49.230
  • Yeah?
  • 00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:51.100
  • Do you have something wrong with
  • 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:52.020
  • your back or your knee?
  • 00:14:55.220 --> 00:14:58.220
  • Your hip?
  • 00:14:58.220 --> 00:14:59.280
  • Can we pray for that?
  • 00:14:59.280 --> 00:15:01.220
  • Yeah?
  • 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:02.220
  • Father, in the name of Jesus, I
  • 00:15:02.220 --> 00:15:05.210
  • ask for Lori to be healed right
  • 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:07.080
  • now.
  • 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.280
  • Let Lori's hip be healed in
  • 00:15:09.280 --> 00:15:11.150
  • Jesus' name.
  • 00:15:11.150 --> 00:15:13.270
  • More, Holy Spirit.
  • 00:15:13.270 --> 00:15:16.070
  • Let your presence come.
  • 00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:18.040
  • Let healing come.
  • 00:15:18.040 --> 00:15:19.280
  • Let healing come.
  • 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.000
  • Thank you, Lord.
  • 00:15:25.190 --> 00:15:28.190
  • Lori, I was just--by the way,
  • 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:31.090
  • did you feel anything on your
  • 00:15:31.090 --> 00:15:32.060
  • hip when I was praying?
  • 00:15:32.060 --> 00:15:35.020
  • - Lori: I'm not really hurting
  • 00:15:35.020 --> 00:15:36.060
  • right now.
  • 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:37.120
  • It just hurt in certain time.
  • 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.080
  • - Jamie: It only hurts during
  • 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:39.270
  • certain times?
  • 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:40.170
  • It's not hurtin' right now?
  • 00:15:40.170 --> 00:15:42.020
  • Okay, well, hey, you know what?
  • 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:44.150
  • God's gonna do it.
  • 00:15:44.150 --> 00:15:46.030
  • He's gonna do the rest.
  • 00:15:46.030 --> 00:15:46.270
  • We just pray, and he does the
  • 00:15:46.270 --> 00:15:47.240
  • rest, you know?
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.100
  • But the other thing is, I saw
  • 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:50.190
  • for you, and we're just tryin'
  • 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.270
  • to hear the voice of God for
  • 00:15:52.270 --> 00:15:54.190
  • people, is that God's been
  • 00:15:54.190 --> 00:15:56.250
  • speakin' to you, and you hear
  • 00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:59.230
  • the voice of God.
  • 00:15:59.230 --> 00:16:01.140
  • You've been hearin' it since you
  • 00:16:01.140 --> 00:16:02.150
  • were, like, little, itty-bitty,
  • 00:16:02.150 --> 00:16:05.080
  • yeah, and I saw that he also, he
  • 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:08.220
  • gave you a gift, and it was a
  • 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:11.120
  • gift with your words.
  • 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.120
  • - Lori: Uh-huh.
  • 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:14.140
  • - Jamie: Yeah, isn't that true?
  • 00:16:14.140 --> 00:16:16.150
  • Yeah, was it from reading?
  • 00:16:16.150 --> 00:16:18.180
  • It was somethin' like reading
  • 00:16:18.180 --> 00:16:19.240
  • and writing, but words as well.
  • 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.220
  • - Lori: I love journaling.
  • 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:23.210
  • - Jamie: You love journaling,
  • 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:24.220
  • yeah, but you're a writer.
  • 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:26.110
  • - Lori: Uh-huh.
  • 00:16:26.110 --> 00:16:27.100
  • - Jamie: And the enemy tried to
  • 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:28.140
  • take that out.
  • 00:16:28.140 --> 00:16:29.210
  • - Lori: Yeah.
  • 00:16:29.210 --> 00:16:30.260
  • - Jamie: And you almost got
  • 00:16:30.260 --> 00:16:32.020
  • your hand crushed though.
  • 00:16:32.020 --> 00:16:34.200
  • It was like the enemy tried to
  • 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:35.230
  • crush your hand.
  • 00:16:35.230 --> 00:16:38.030
  • Does that make sense to you?
  • 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:41.100
  • Almost like he had hurt your
  • 00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:43.060
  • hand or somethin'.
  • 00:16:43.060 --> 00:16:45.020
  • Does that make sense?
  • 00:16:45.020 --> 00:16:46.180
  • - Lori: Oh, yeah, I did have--
  • 00:16:47.070 --> 00:16:50.070
  • - Matthew: Don't look at me!
  • 00:16:50.070 --> 00:16:51.160
  • - Lori: Yeah.
  • 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:52.010
  • - Jamie: He tried to crush your
  • 00:16:52.010 --> 00:16:52.210
  • hand?
  • 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:53.010
  • He tried to hurt your hand?
  • 00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:54.060
  • - Lori: Yeah.
  • 00:16:54.060 --> 00:16:54.270
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:16:54.270 --> 00:16:55.170
  • Do you know about this, Matthew?
  • 00:16:57.060 --> 00:17:00.080
  • - Matthew: Somewhat.
  • 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.030
  • - Jamie: Somewhat?
  • 00:17:01.030 --> 00:17:02.180
  • But God wants to give that
  • 00:17:02.180 --> 00:17:03.090
  • writing back to you, man.
  • 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:05.080
  • Come here, let me see your hand.
  • 00:17:05.080 --> 00:17:07.080
  • For the writing hand, let
  • 00:17:07.080 --> 00:17:09.040
  • healing come, in Jesus' name.
  • 00:17:10.020 --> 00:17:13.020
  • What do you think about that?
  • 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.000
  • - Lori: Makes me feel like the
  • 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.110
  • time that you said--you know
  • 00:17:19.110 --> 00:17:21.220
  • some things that don't nobody
  • 00:17:21.220 --> 00:17:24.070
  • knows.
  • 00:17:24.070 --> 00:17:25.080
  • - Jamie: I hit on some points
  • 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:25.290
  • that nobody knows?
  • 00:17:25.290 --> 00:17:26.260
  • - Lori: Yeah.
  • 00:17:26.260 --> 00:17:27.230
  • - Jamie: Yeah?
  • 00:17:27.230 --> 00:17:28.190
  • That's because he knows.
  • 00:17:28.190 --> 00:17:30.290
  • He knows.
  • 00:17:30.290 --> 00:17:32.070
  • He's real.
  • 00:17:32.070 --> 00:17:34.150
  • - Darren: Well, it's
  • 00:17:34.150 --> 00:17:35.050
  • interesting then because what
  • 00:17:35.050 --> 00:17:35.290
  • happens after that--so then you
  • 00:17:35.290 --> 00:17:36.290
  • move on to the couple, right?
  • 00:17:36.290 --> 00:17:39.040
  • And God's speaking to them, but
  • 00:17:39.040 --> 00:17:41.040
  • the whole time, I'm, like,
  • 00:17:41.040 --> 00:17:42.050
  • watching him.
  • 00:17:42.050 --> 00:17:43.190
  • I'm, like, watching the whole
  • 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:44.100
  • scene, and I'm seein' this
  • 00:17:44.100 --> 00:17:45.290
  • gets--something is shifting in
  • 00:17:45.290 --> 00:17:47.020
  • this kid, not in a good way.
  • 00:17:47.020 --> 00:17:49.060
  • Like, I could sense, just
  • 00:17:49.060 --> 00:17:51.040
  • standing there, I could sense
  • 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:52.030
  • the spirits coming upon--you
  • 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:54.000
  • know, whatever you wanna call
  • 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:54.220
  • it, and then 'cause, when you're
  • 00:17:54.220 --> 00:17:56.100
  • finished with them, they have a
  • 00:17:56.100 --> 00:17:57.050
  • beautiful little moment with
  • 00:17:57.050 --> 00:17:59.000
  • you.
  • 00:17:59.000 --> 00:17:59.180
  • I mean, you read that lady's
  • 00:17:59.180 --> 00:18:00.150
  • mail, I mean, and, like, and God
  • 00:18:00.150 --> 00:18:02.050
  • just touched them, and then he
  • 00:18:02.050 --> 00:18:03.160
  • comes back, and I couldn't
  • 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:04.250
  • really hear what he was saying.
  • 00:18:04.250 --> 00:18:06.140
  • - Jamie: He had interrupted,
  • 00:18:06.140 --> 00:18:07.100
  • and he says, "Have you seen God
  • 00:18:07.100 --> 00:18:09.110
  • face to face?"
  • 00:18:09.110 --> 00:18:10.200
  • And I said, "Yes, I have."
  • 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.070
  • - Jamie: I seen him.
  • 00:18:12.070 --> 00:18:15.000
  • He's real.
  • 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:15.170
  • I seen him.
  • 00:18:15.170 --> 00:18:16.180
  • - Patrick: Face to face?
  • 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:17.060
  • - Jamie: Face to face.
  • 00:18:17.270 --> 00:18:20.270
  • He's so full of love.
  • 00:18:20.270 --> 00:18:23.100
  • He's so full of love.
  • 00:18:23.100 --> 00:18:25.130
  • - Jamie: And he says, "Well,
  • 00:18:25.130 --> 00:18:27.260
  • you tell him I have some things
  • 00:18:27.260 --> 00:18:29.150
  • to talk about with him."
  • 00:18:29.150 --> 00:18:31.020
  • And I said, "Do you wanna do
  • 00:18:31.020 --> 00:18:32.280
  • that right now?"
  • 00:18:32.280 --> 00:18:33.280
  • He goes, "No, I want you to talk
  • 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:36.140
  • to him, and you let him know I
  • 00:18:36.140 --> 00:18:38.200
  • wanna meet with him 'cause I've
  • 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.290
  • got a few things to settle."
  • 00:18:39.290 --> 00:18:42.180
  • - Patrick: If you see him
  • 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:43.060
  • again, tell him I wanna see him.
  • 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:45.010
  • - Jamie: I will.
  • 00:18:45.010 --> 00:18:45.230
  • - Patrick: I got a few issues
  • 00:18:45.230 --> 00:18:46.190
  • I'd like to talk about.
  • 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:47.250
  • - Jamie: And he knows that, and
  • 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:49.010
  • he's not scared.
  • 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:52.170
  • - Patrick: That's not the
  • 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:53.040
  • point.
  • 00:18:53.040 --> 00:18:54.110
  • - Jamie: I know.
  • 00:18:54.110 --> 00:18:57.060
  • I'll tell him though.
  • 00:18:57.060 --> 00:18:59.220
  • Let's tell him right now.
  • 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:00.170
  • You wanna tell him right now?
  • 00:19:00.170 --> 00:19:01.270
  • - Patrick: No, you tell him.
  • 00:19:01.270 --> 00:19:02.230
  • - Jamie: All right.
  • 00:19:02.230 --> 00:19:03.290
  • Can I pray for you again?
  • 00:19:03.290 --> 00:19:06.020
  • No?
  • 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:07.150
  • - Jamie: I can see the pain
  • 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:08.200
  • coming up.
  • 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:09.290
  • I mean, we awakened something in
  • 00:19:09.290 --> 00:19:11.220
  • him by speaking life over him.
  • 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:14.040
  • I'm sure the guy gets dumped on
  • 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:15.120
  • every day: You know, "You're
  • 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:17.000
  • nothin'," you know, "Your family
  • 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.290
  • doesn't love you."
  • 00:19:18.290 --> 00:19:20.040
  • 'Cause the first initial thing
  • 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:21.050
  • that he said was "Oh, good.
  • 00:19:21.050 --> 00:19:22.290
  • I'd love to be on TV because my
  • 00:19:22.290 --> 00:19:24.180
  • family would see me."
  • 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:25.240
  • - Darren: I saw that.
  • 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:26.140
  • I heard that, yeah.
  • 00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:27.070
  • - Jamie: So the guy's so
  • 00:19:27.070 --> 00:19:28.010
  • separated from life.
  • 00:19:28.010 --> 00:19:29.190
  • Soon as we start speakin' life
  • 00:19:29.190 --> 00:19:30.220
  • over him, he's, like, he
  • 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:34.180
  • awakens, you know.
  • 00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:36.010
  • He was in a--I mean, when we
  • 00:19:36.010 --> 00:19:38.080
  • first rolled up on him, he said
  • 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:39.170
  • that comment, but then it was,
  • 00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:41.060
  • like, this glazed-over, kind of,
  • 00:19:41.060 --> 00:19:42.260
  • like--I don't know if it was a
  • 00:19:42.260 --> 00:19:44.250
  • combination of--
  • 00:19:44.250 --> 00:19:46.000
  • - Darren: He was out of it.
  • 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:46.210
  • - Jamie: Oh, he was totally out
  • 00:19:46.210 --> 00:19:47.110
  • of it, but the guy just woke up,
  • 00:19:47.110 --> 00:19:50.020
  • and then he starts bein' honest
  • 00:19:50.020 --> 00:19:51.230
  • about where his heart is.
  • 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:53.180
  • That's huge, and if we did a
  • 00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:56.180
  • follow-up with him, it would go
  • 00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:58.150
  • somethin' like, well,
  • 00:19:58.150 --> 00:19:59.260
  • super-relational, not--next
  • 00:19:59.260 --> 00:20:01.130
  • time's not the opportunity to do
  • 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:04.030
  • more prophecy.
  • 00:20:04.030 --> 00:20:06.050
  • Next time is the time, you know,
  • 00:20:06.050 --> 00:20:08.070
  • Jesus, he comes up on Nathaniel,
  • 00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.080
  • and he's like, all
  • 00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:11.210
  • super-prophet, and he just
  • 00:20:11.210 --> 00:20:12.290
  • prophesies, and he goes, "I saw
  • 00:20:12.290 --> 00:20:14.080
  • you under the fig tree," you
  • 00:20:14.080 --> 00:20:15.190
  • know, blah, blah, blah, and next
  • 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:17.040
  • time, he's just relational with
  • 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:18.130
  • him.
  • 00:20:18.130 --> 00:20:19.070
  • You know, he does it, he
  • 00:20:19.070 --> 00:20:20.040
  • continues on with his--he's,
  • 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:22.150
  • like, ministering to him in a
  • 00:20:22.150 --> 00:20:23.240
  • relational way.
  • 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:24.250
  • So that's what I think the guy
  • 00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:26.080
  • needs.
  • 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:26.240
  • He really needs a relational,
  • 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:27.280
  • life-connection.
  • 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:30.210
  • That sweet couple, though, you
  • 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:33.150
  • know, they were receiving, and
  • 00:20:33.150 --> 00:20:35.010
  • that guy, when he got turned on,
  • 00:20:35.010 --> 00:20:37.150
  • man, he starts singin'.
  • 00:20:37.150 --> 00:20:39.130
  • He was singin' these worship
  • 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:40.090
  • songs, these hymns, these songs
  • 00:20:40.090 --> 00:20:43.000
  • that he knows, and I was like,
  • 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.030
  • "There you are, man.
  • 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:46.040
  • That's the real you.
  • 00:20:46.040 --> 00:20:47.140
  • That's the real you right
  • 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:48.040
  • there."
  • 00:20:48.040 --> 00:20:50.120
  • - Warren: What's your name
  • 00:20:50.120 --> 00:20:51.000
  • again?
  • 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:51.250
  • - Jamie: It's Matt.
  • 00:20:51.250 --> 00:20:52.120
  • - Warren: Matthew?
  • 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:52.270
  • Cool, all right.
  • 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:53.190
  • Can I pray for you too?
  • 00:20:53.190 --> 00:20:54.220
  • - Matthew: Sure.
  • 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:55.100
  • - Warren: Yeah, yeah.
  • 00:20:55.100 --> 00:20:56.020
  • I just, like, there's, like, you
  • 00:20:56.020 --> 00:20:58.010
  • have this childlike heart, and,
  • 00:20:58.010 --> 00:20:59.070
  • like, it's like a light that you
  • 00:20:59.070 --> 00:21:00.150
  • carry inside, and it's like it's
  • 00:21:00.150 --> 00:21:03.010
  • gonna carry you farther than you
  • 00:21:03.010 --> 00:21:04.010
  • believe and you think, and,
  • 00:21:04.010 --> 00:21:05.120
  • like, God loves your heart,
  • 00:21:05.120 --> 00:21:07.030
  • like, he really loves your
  • 00:21:07.030 --> 00:21:07.210
  • heart.
  • 00:21:07.210 --> 00:21:08.080
  • You have this simple childlike
  • 00:21:08.080 --> 00:21:09.120
  • faith, but you have this
  • 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:10.090
  • childlike heart, and God loves
  • 00:21:10.090 --> 00:21:11.220
  • that, and you light up the room
  • 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:13.260
  • more than you think, you know,
  • 00:21:13.260 --> 00:21:16.050
  • and so you really do.
  • 00:21:16.050 --> 00:21:17.280
  • You carry this light about you,
  • 00:21:17.280 --> 00:21:19.210
  • and it's like it's very
  • 00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:20.240
  • becoming.
  • 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:21.240
  • People are attracted to it.
  • 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.040
  • - Matthew: I've been
  • 00:21:23.040 --> 00:21:23.220
  • Runnin' for Jesus
  • 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:24.160
  • For a long time
  • 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.030
  • - Warren: Come on.
  • 00:21:26.030 --> 00:21:26.180
  • - Matthew: I've been
  • 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:27.060
  • Runnin' both night and day
  • 00:21:27.060 --> 00:21:29.180
  • But I don't have time
  • 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:30.260
  • For idle talk
  • 00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:32.010
  • They gon' 'cause me
  • 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:32.270
  • To lose these dreams
  • 00:21:32.270 --> 00:21:34.240
  • If they can't help us
  • 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.130
  • Please don't stop us
  • 00:21:36.130 --> 00:21:38.230
  • Move out of our way
  • 00:21:38.230 --> 00:21:40.270
  • Don't try to block us
  • 00:21:40.270 --> 00:21:42.230
  • We have a race to run
  • 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:44.240
  • But we runnin' by faith
  • 00:21:45.030 --> 00:21:48.030
  • At the finishing line
  • 00:21:48.030 --> 00:21:50.080
  • - Jamie: Come on!
  • 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:54.040
  • - Warren: Amen, that was
  • 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:54.210
  • awesome, man!
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  • - Jamie: Woo!
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  • - Darren: Like, how do you
  • 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.150
  • hear?
  • 00:21:57.150 --> 00:21:58.000
  • What do you hear?
  • 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.060
  • Just how do you do what you do?
  • 00:21:59.060 --> 00:22:01.040
  • What is it like internally for
  • 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:02.040
  • you?
  • 00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:03.030
  • Because I think it's important.
  • 00:22:03.030 --> 00:22:03.250
  • I'm just curious, is it gonna
  • 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:05.200
  • be--are there similar things
  • 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:07.140
  • that we're about to hear?
  • 00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:08.150
  • 'Cause I wanna hear from each
  • 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:09.040
  • one of you.
  • 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:10.050
  • Are there similar things, or are
  • 00:22:10.050 --> 00:22:11.040
  • they all wildly different?
  • 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:13.150
  • Because I think what we see here
  • 00:22:13.150 --> 00:22:15.260
  • is gonna, kind of, be, I think,
  • 00:22:15.260 --> 00:22:17.230
  • fairly revealing.
  • 00:22:17.230 --> 00:22:18.260
  • - Shawn: Can I qualify us by
  • 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:19.150
  • saying something?
  • 00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:20.010
  • - Darren: Sure.
  • 00:22:20.010 --> 00:22:20.180
  • - Shawn: Just, I think it's
  • 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:21.050
  • like when you're in premarital
  • 00:22:21.050 --> 00:22:22.100
  • counseling--I'm a pastor too, so
  • 00:22:22.100 --> 00:22:23.170
  • when you're in premarital
  • 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:24.130
  • counseling, you're not trying to
  • 00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:25.220
  • emulate another relationship to
  • 00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:27.030
  • be like yours or be like
  • 00:22:27.030 --> 00:22:28.070
  • whatever, so there's no formula,
  • 00:22:28.070 --> 00:22:30.170
  • but everyone gets inspired by a
  • 00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:31.240
  • love story, and so I think if
  • 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:33.160
  • we're telling this in the
  • 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:34.200
  • context of our process, our love
  • 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.230
  • story with God, then everybody
  • 00:22:35.230 --> 00:22:37.050
  • who's viewing can be like, "I
  • 00:22:37.050 --> 00:22:38.180
  • get it," but if we're telling it
  • 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:39.230
  • for a formula, you'll never get
  • 00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:40.240
  • it.
  • 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:41.200
  • That's why I just wanna qualify
  • 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.130
  • that as we're talkin' about it,
  • 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:43.090
  • 'cause there's no, like--our
  • 00:22:43.090 --> 00:22:45.030
  • processes are all so different,
  • 00:22:45.030 --> 00:22:46.210
  • but there is similarities, but
  • 00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:47.170
  • we're so in love with God
  • 00:22:47.170 --> 00:22:48.120
  • differently.
  • 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:49.180
  • - Jamie: Yeah, if I'm just
  • 00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:51.140
  • sitting by myself, I'm not
  • 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:53.030
  • actually hearing for anyone else
  • 00:22:53.030 --> 00:22:55.040
  • other than me.
  • 00:22:55.040 --> 00:22:56.160
  • It's--90% of it is just an
  • 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.240
  • internal dialogue with the Lord.
  • 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:00.270
  • I'm just having an internal
  • 00:23:00.270 --> 00:23:01.240
  • dialogue, and sometimes it
  • 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.050
  • sounds like my own thoughts, but
  • 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:07.080
  • I know--it's almost like
  • 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:09.080
  • catching something.
  • 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:10.210
  • You're catching it, like you're
  • 00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:11.290
  • catching the wind, you know?
  • 00:23:11.290 --> 00:23:13.190
  • You're a sail catching the wind.
  • 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:15.090
  • - Chad: Well, I hear him in my
  • 00:23:15.090 --> 00:23:17.220
  • left ear most of the time, and
  • 00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:19.200
  • this is kind of funny.
  • 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:20.120
  • I asked him why that is, and he
  • 00:23:20.120 --> 00:23:21.160
  • says, "Cause you sit at my right
  • 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:22.210
  • hand cause you're in Christ,"
  • 00:23:22.210 --> 00:23:24.160
  • and I thought, "That's pretty
  • 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:25.050
  • funny."
  • 00:23:25.050 --> 00:23:26.030
  • I hear him right here, and I got
  • 00:23:26.070 --> 00:23:29.070
  • so mad because my wife has
  • 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.170
  • dreams all the time, and I said
  • 00:23:32.170 --> 00:23:35.120
  • to the Father one time, "How
  • 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:37.020
  • come I don't have dreams?"
  • 00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:38.180
  • He said, "You haven't asked me
  • 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:39.060
  • for 'em."
  • 00:23:39.060 --> 00:23:40.070
  • And so I asked him for dreams,
  • 00:23:40.070 --> 00:23:41.050
  • and now I have to say, "Please,
  • 00:23:41.050 --> 00:23:42.050
  • stop," and it's like every
  • 00:23:42.050 --> 00:23:43.010
  • single night.
  • 00:23:43.010 --> 00:23:44.150
  • I hear in my left ear, and I
  • 00:23:45.020 --> 00:23:48.020
  • love what Shawn said a minute
  • 00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:49.050
  • ago.
  • 00:23:49.050 --> 00:23:49.270
  • He showed me the power of not
  • 00:23:49.270 --> 00:23:51.110
  • just talkin' to him, but
  • 00:23:51.110 --> 00:23:52.110
  • learning to think like him
  • 00:23:52.110 --> 00:23:53.060
  • first.
  • 00:23:53.060 --> 00:23:54.070
  • I hear him in my thoughts now.
  • 00:23:54.070 --> 00:23:55.280
  • Like, he will just--I will think
  • 00:23:55.280 --> 00:23:57.130
  • what he thinks over someone.
  • 00:23:57.130 --> 00:23:59.180
  • - Shawn: I've been on a
  • 00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:00.060
  • prophetic journey my whole life
  • 00:24:00.060 --> 00:24:01.140
  • with God, just listening to his
  • 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.170
  • voice, and I call it my
  • 00:24:02.170 --> 00:24:03.180
  • prophetic journey and have taken
  • 00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:05.030
  • radical steps of faith 'cause he
  • 00:24:05.030 --> 00:24:06.140
  • is like--he really, like, God
  • 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:07.230
  • has great words for other
  • 00:24:07.230 --> 00:24:09.000
  • people, which I love.
  • 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.010
  • It's one of my favorite things
  • 00:24:10.010 --> 00:24:10.250
  • when somebody comes up,
  • 00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:12.030
  • especially your friends, and
  • 00:24:12.030 --> 00:24:12.270
  • they minister to you, but I love
  • 00:24:12.270 --> 00:24:14.170
  • hearing God for myself, and I
  • 00:24:14.170 --> 00:24:15.240
  • heard the old generation of
  • 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.170
  • people like healing evangelists
  • 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:19.060
  • and ministers, whatever, would
  • 00:24:19.060 --> 00:24:20.070
  • say, "I don't hear God for
  • 00:24:20.070 --> 00:24:21.170
  • myself," almost like a badge of
  • 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:22.120
  • honor.
  • 00:24:22.120 --> 00:24:24.020
  • I'm like, "I wonder why they did
  • 00:24:24.020 --> 00:24:24.220
  • that?"
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:25.090
  • 'Cause, for me, it's like the
  • 00:24:25.090 --> 00:24:26.030
  • intimacy with God is like what
  • 00:24:26.030 --> 00:24:27.050
  • you're describing the Father is,
  • 00:24:27.050 --> 00:24:28.000
  • like, where I live.
  • 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.170
  • I'm just tapped into his
  • 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:31.040
  • thoughts, thinking with him.
  • 00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:32.200
  • Every quiet moment I have is
  • 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.270
  • with him.
  • 00:24:34.270 --> 00:24:35.230
  • It's, just, I just love him!
  • 00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:36.190
  • I just love--and then there's
  • 00:24:36.190 --> 00:24:37.250
  • the second--the second level of
  • 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:40.110
  • process would be I actually
  • 00:24:40.110 --> 00:24:42.270
  • engage God for revelation, and I
  • 00:24:43.150 --> 00:24:46.150
  • said it earlier, I feel like we
  • 00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:47.170
  • share the same head space with
  • 00:24:47.170 --> 00:24:48.270
  • God.
  • 00:24:48.270 --> 00:24:49.200
  • You know, we have the mind of
  • 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.120
  • Christ so--and you guys did a
  • 00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:51.190
  • beautiful job describing that,
  • 00:24:51.190 --> 00:24:52.190
  • and I feel like, you know,
  • 00:24:52.190 --> 00:24:54.210
  • there's these moments where I
  • 00:24:54.210 --> 00:24:55.280
  • have so much, like, the
  • 00:24:56.060 --> 00:24:59.060
  • download, almost like when your
  • 00:24:59.060 --> 00:25:00.210
  • processor is being upgraded on
  • 00:25:00.210 --> 00:25:01.240
  • your iPhone or something.
  • 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:02.230
  • It's like I got a download, and
  • 00:25:02.230 --> 00:25:04.090
  • then I have to sort through it
  • 00:25:04.090 --> 00:25:05.130
  • and try and figure it out, and I
  • 00:25:05.130 --> 00:25:06.230
  • can't figure out most of it
  • 00:25:06.230 --> 00:25:07.290
  • because it's interactive with
  • 00:25:07.290 --> 00:25:09.010
  • the world around me, so I have
  • 00:25:09.010 --> 00:25:10.020
  • to, like--I have notes on my
  • 00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:11.140
  • phone from years that I have to
  • 00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:13.280
  • sometimes do a word search, and
  • 00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:15.020
  • I'm like, "Wait, your name's
  • 00:25:15.020 --> 00:25:15.280
  • Savannah?
  • 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:16.240
  • Oh, just a minute."
  • 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:17.190
  • And I'm, like, looking at my
  • 00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:18.110
  • phone, and all of a sudden, it's
  • 00:25:18.110 --> 00:25:19.060
  • like, "October 12th?"
  • 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:20.110
  • "That's my birthday!"
  • 00:25:20.110 --> 00:25:21.180
  • "Who's Chuck?"
  • 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:22.160
  • "I just met him!
  • 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.010
  • Like, we're dating!"
  • 00:25:24.010 --> 00:25:25.050
  • I'm like, "Okay, this is really
  • 00:25:25.050 --> 00:25:25.270
  • wild," you know?
  • 00:25:25.270 --> 00:25:26.220
  • Like, and I have this, like,
  • 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:27.190
  • process where I'm just--get a
  • 00:25:27.190 --> 00:25:29.190
  • download from God, and I'm just
  • 00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:30.280
  • - Darren: So let me ask you
  • 00:25:32.290 --> 00:25:33.210
  • something, again, 'cause we're
  • 00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:34.260
  • like showin' people how this
  • 00:25:34.260 --> 00:25:35.190
  • works.
  • 00:25:35.190 --> 00:25:36.060
  • So, like, how did you see that?
  • 00:25:36.090 --> 00:25:39.090
  • Was it a picture of her writing?
  • 00:25:39.090 --> 00:25:40.050
  • Was it a pen?
  • 00:25:40.050 --> 00:25:41.180
  • Was it just an audible word?
  • 00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:44.090
  • - Jamie: Yeah, I actually saw
  • 00:25:44.090 --> 00:25:46.010
  • words on a piece of paper, like
  • 00:25:46.010 --> 00:25:49.000
  • an old writing style,
  • 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.150
  • calligraphy, on a piece of
  • 00:25:51.150 --> 00:25:52.100
  • paper, and I'm looking at these,
  • 00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:54.080
  • and I'm thinkin', "Okay, this is
  • 00:25:54.080 --> 00:25:56.060
  • not just a normal writing style.
  • 00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:57.160
  • This is a complicated writing
  • 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:58.160
  • style," and I'm trying to
  • 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.110
  • process this, and I'm thinkin',
  • 00:26:00.110 --> 00:26:02.050
  • "Maybe she has a way with words
  • 00:26:02.050 --> 00:26:04.280
  • that very few people have."
  • 00:26:04.280 --> 00:26:06.220
  • So as I said that, she just--you
  • 00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:09.020
  • know, you saw her.
  • 00:26:09.020 --> 00:26:09.290
  • She immediately is alerted by
  • 00:26:10.020 --> 00:26:13.020
  • the moment, and then she says,
  • 00:26:13.020 --> 00:26:14.260
  • "Well, you've told me a few
  • 00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:16.130
  • things that, you know, nobody
  • 00:26:16.130 --> 00:26:18.170
  • has told me before, but that's
  • 00:26:18.170 --> 00:26:19.210
  • who I am, you know, that's me."
  • 00:26:19.210 --> 00:26:21.270
  • But the thing that really got
  • 00:26:21.270 --> 00:26:22.220
  • her attention, and they didn't
  • 00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:24.090
  • wanna talk about it--
  • 00:26:24.090 --> 00:26:25.180
  • - Darren: The crushed hand.
  • 00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:27.010
  • - Jamie: The crushed hand.
  • 00:26:27.010 --> 00:26:27.250
  • I don't understand what that
  • 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:28.210
  • was, but that was a picture I
  • 00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:30.260
  • got of her hand getting hurt and
  • 00:26:31.270 --> 00:26:34.270
  • it stopping her from continuing
  • 00:26:34.270 --> 00:26:36.200
  • to write.
  • 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.070
  • As soon as I started talkin'
  • 00:26:38.070 --> 00:26:38.280
  • about that, they both looked at
  • 00:26:38.280 --> 00:26:40.000
  • each other like, "How does--"
  • 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.180
  • you know, almost like there's an
  • 00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:43.190
  • inside scoop.
  • 00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:44.220
  • - Darren: There's an abuse
  • 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.110
  • situation or something that
  • 00:26:45.110 --> 00:26:46.070
  • was--who knows.
  • 00:26:46.070 --> 00:26:47.140
  • - Jamie: Yeah, who knows?
  • 00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:48.090
  • - Darren: I was wondering if it
  • 00:26:48.090 --> 00:26:48.290
  • was, like, a physical or if it
  • 00:26:48.290 --> 00:26:50.150
  • was more of a, just, like, a
  • 00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:51.260
  • crushing of a dream, and a
  • 00:26:51.260 --> 00:26:54.080
  • crushing out of like, "You're
  • 00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:55.060
  • not worth this, you don't have
  • 00:26:55.060 --> 00:26:56.160
  • anything to say."
  • 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.260
  • - Jamie: It could be, but I
  • 00:26:57.260 --> 00:27:00.040
  • know it got their attention, and
  • 00:27:00.040 --> 00:27:02.270
  • they felt the love of God.
  • 00:27:02.270 --> 00:27:05.110
  • You know, that's ultimately what
  • 00:27:05.110 --> 00:27:06.080
  • we're tryin' to do is reawaken
  • 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:08.280
  • dreams, reawaken possibilities
  • 00:27:08.280 --> 00:27:11.200
  • 'cause these people, that's like
  • 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.130
  • that whole area, that strip's
  • 00:27:13.130 --> 00:27:14.210
  • like a boulevard of broken
  • 00:27:14.210 --> 00:27:15.180
  • dreams.
  • 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.030
  • No one can dream there anymore.
  • 00:27:17.030 --> 00:27:19.260
  • Their biggest dream is getting
  • 00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:20.280
  • in that shelter at night.
  • 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.000
  • We roll up with pizza and
  • 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.270
  • probably made their week, you
  • 00:27:25.270 --> 00:27:28.100
  • know, that's the good news goes
  • 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.160
  • out to those who are poor in
  • 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.190
  • spirit and also poor in the
  • 00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:36.280
  • natural because they have no
  • 00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:39.280
  • shame in hiding their hunger.
  • 00:27:39.280 --> 00:27:41.120
  • They were the ones--
  • 00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:43.070
  • - Darren: Okay, so let's ask
  • 00:27:43.070 --> 00:27:44.160
  • the--let's address the elephant
  • 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.060
  • in the room, right?
  • 00:27:47.060 --> 00:27:49.000
  • People watch this.
  • 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:49.260
  • "What did you actually
  • 00:27:49.260 --> 00:27:50.190
  • accomplish?
  • 00:27:50.190 --> 00:27:52.160
  • What did you guys actually do?
  • 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.160
  • So you gave 'em some food.
  • 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.110
  • You gave 'em some nice words,
  • 00:27:54.110 --> 00:27:56.180
  • and they're still homeless, and
  • 00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:57.220
  • they're still there, and they're
  • 00:27:58.020 --> 00:28:01.040
  • still fighting for their lives."
  • 00:28:01.040 --> 00:28:02.280
  • - Jamie: You know, here's
  • 00:28:02.280 --> 00:28:03.200
  • what--I mean, when I go out, I
  • 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.080
  • hug my son, my daughter.
  • 00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:08.200
  • I give 'em a big hug, right?
  • 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.170
  • What did I accomplish?
  • 00:28:10.170 --> 00:28:12.130
  • Did they write an essay after
  • 00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:13.080
  • that?
  • 00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:14.200
  • You know, did they build a
  • 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.230
  • building?
  • 00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:16.120
  • I don't know.
  • 00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:17.070
  • Did they go get a job?
  • 00:28:17.070 --> 00:28:18.060
  • Have they paid, you know, for
  • 00:28:18.060 --> 00:28:20.040
  • the light bill this month?
  • 00:28:20.040 --> 00:28:21.220
  • No, I just loved on 'em.
  • 00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:23.120
  • The Father doesn't need anything
  • 00:28:23.190 --> 00:28:26.190
  • in response to his love.
  • 00:28:26.190 --> 00:28:28.200
  • He doesn't need it.
  • 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.230
  • He just gives.
  • 00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:32.160
  • Freely you've received, freely
  • 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.170
  • give.
  • 00:28:33.170 --> 00:28:34.160
  • So we, just, we have no
  • 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.180
  • requirements, no obligation, no
  • 00:28:36.020 --> 00:28:39.020
  • commitment card to fill out
  • 00:28:39.020 --> 00:28:40.130
  • afterwards.
  • 00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:41.260
  • You know, we're not gonna go
  • 00:28:41.260 --> 00:28:43.120
  • home and be like, "Yeah, you
  • 00:28:43.120 --> 00:28:45.260
  • know, just another notch on my
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  • belt."
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  • No, just loving people, and
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  • - Darren: In 1 Corinthians
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  • 14:1, Paul tells us to eagerly
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  • desire spiritual gifts and, in
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  • particular, the gift of
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  • prophecy.
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  • So we would be silly to ignore
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  • it or throw the baby out with
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  • the bath water simply because
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  • some people have been reckless
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  • or dumb in how they've gone
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  • after it.
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  • But for all of us who are
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  • eagerly desiring these spiritual
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  • gifts of the Spirit, we would do
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  • well to always consider our own
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  • fallibility and brokenness when
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  • presenting what we think might
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  • be God's utterances to others.
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  • To do otherwise is to forget
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  • that it's God who is seated on
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